July 10, 2025 • 35 mins
Kevin and Casey take on Stone Temple Pilots’ "Sour Girl" and ask the tough questions: Is this grunge? Is this glam? Is this just a moody guy in eyeliner yelling nonsense? Kevin rediscovers the song he forgot existed, Casey debates if STP were secretly Beatles fans in flannel, and together they decide: will they give it a sour chance or just stay sweetly indifferent?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Give it a chance, give it a chance. Give it
a chick come morning, Give it a chance, Give it
a chance, give it a chance, give it a chick,
come morning, Give it a chi You want to give
it a chance, give it a chance, give it a chance.
Just give it a chance. Yes, Welcome to the chaos.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well what is that? That's good? What is that you mean?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
What do you mean? What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
What is what? Welcome to the chaos?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Oh that's me. That's what I sound like and what
I say. That's how I open every episode for the chancers.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Oh, I don't think. I don't think I've been paying
close enough at ten ship.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
You kidding me? You have to listen to over every
omar because for the chancers, I always give them that
guy ass.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Wait, I was this a hint?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
No?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Oh not.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I thought I was supposed to guess where we were
going from there something about that.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I don't think it's happening for the rest of our lives.
Now you're gonna be like, is that a hint?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I supposed to know what song we're doing, and you're like,
we're actually just out in the street. I do feel
like maybe for some reason, what you're saying makes me
think of Chris Angel mind freak. But I don't think
there's a song in that necessarily or that. Maybe that's
not even how Chris Angel mind freak rests in peace.
Maybe that's not even how he talked. He's alive, right,
We're right? Should I check?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Actually, I don't know. I always get him confused with
all the other magicians like uh Dallagher, carrat Top, yeah,
a Copperfield. Do you think Carrot Top considers himself like
a magician or a comedian or an entertainer.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I think, well, Cedric's the entertainer. I think I think
cat probably. I don't think he thinks of himself as
a magician. Weight is there anything? Is there any magician
part of his act at all? I was just being
a horse. A horse is patuit.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Today we're giving carrot Top a chance.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I saw a commercial with Will Farrell yesterday, and I
don't know if it was like part of the commercial,
but he looked like carrots Top, like a lot of thing.
It's happening to him now.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Sometimes sometimes, yeah, sometimes men age into other people. Wow,
he's aging out of the drummer of red Aushili Pepper's
and it's the carat.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Top, two great tastes that taste great forever.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
That's a bit of a You're a bit of a
carrat Top in some ways.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I know. People always say, oh, you look just like
Carrot Top. Oh, you have the same muscles as Karen.
Did he bite you?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
And a werewolf?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Cat?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Werewolves?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, they think it's like a werewolf, or they think
it's like Spider Man, you know, radioactive Carrot Top and
I have his muscles.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Today we're doing Sour Girl plays Stone Temple Violet.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Oh, I don't even if I know this. I have
a rich history with this.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Typically, I just felt like we were already so having
too much fun that I was like, that's just I'm
gonna take away even the guessing. So okay, So there's
a whole reason why I'm choosing this.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Part of it is I was hanging out with some
friends recently, and I promise I have friends, and I
I was hanging out with some friends and we were
we put on a bunch of Stone Temple Pilots, and
I want to listen to this song first, and then
I want to discuss maybe our histories with Stone Temple Pilots.
(03:27):
All I'll say is that they have so many more
hits than I remember. I can't even believe how many.
And they're they're like the diversity of music, and it
is like kind of insane, and they're kind of they're
kind of a band I write off sometimes. But all
that this might be the reason why in the early
(03:51):
two thousand they put out this song called Sour Girl,
which I also suggest maybe watching the music video. It
has Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Oh what was wait? Wait? Wait what was her name?
Not Christy Swanson, not the og but the try Michelle Sarah,
Michelle Geller. That's right.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
This song kind of turned me off to them, but
I haven't listened to it in so long. I just
I have the chorus in my head, or actually I
don't have the chorus. I have more of the verse
in my head. That's the part that I've always used
to find yucky, and the chorus like is a little better.
But we'll go into all that. Can't wait and listen
to it right now, sports.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Fans, I totally forgot about that song, like fully for
do you remember it?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Though?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Particularly once not when it started not at the very top,
I was like, oh, maybe this is like because it
would have made when did this song come out? Two
thousand and two.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And one or two? Yeah, So I think that this
would have been like nine ninety nine, ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I feel like I was not This would have been
like something that could have very easily slipped by my
field division at that point. Because also I think like
I don't know how much I was listening to like
K rock here in New York, for instance, like which
was at that time, like the big rock and roll
station or whatever, And I certainly don't know was this
(05:13):
like on MTV a lot, this song?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Actually it was. It was on tr L and it
won the Best I just saw it won the Best
Music Video for Cinematography for the VM.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
WHOA, Wow, look at you other.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I love research Casey so goodt it? You need to
know the NSA.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I'm not sorry, asshole NSSA not so aggregated. No, I uh,
I well I found that. So it's funny because what
you said about they're not a band I put on
really ever. But there are singles that will come up
(05:56):
and you know in your periphery that you're like, oh yeah,
they were like kind of really good in a lot
of ways. And for a long time. I think the
thing I don't know, so for me, when they first
came out, he was instantly like they made their record,
that first record and maybe the first two with the
same guy that made those Pearl Jam records, Brandon O'Brien,
(06:19):
and he had that kind of burly like post veter
kind of hang on or wrong like that thing. I
am miam And I think people thought like they were
just an inferior Pearl Jam, but I actually think over
the arc of their band, their high points. You're right,
(06:40):
they're like really stretched out kind of over a longer
period of time. Not a longer period. Pearl Jam has
been around forever, but you know what I mean, they
had a longer shelf life than I thought they did
than I remembered them having. And there's interesting different esthetic markers,
like at each point, this is like a there's so
many things happening in this song that I'm like that
(07:01):
to me is like actually like it's it indicates kind
of how far popular music has moved. And I don't
mean this in an old man shaking fists of the skyway.
That's like a very musical song.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, it's like it's dark it's it's uh, what's the
word for it. It's moody.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
It's such a moody.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Like weird song that that's not even the thing I
dislike about it necessarily or I remember yeh, but but
I do now listening with like fresh years or older
years or something like, I appreciate more of it. It
was so different than what I remember from that band.
And again, like just to go into what you were saying,
(07:41):
like I agree that I forgot how many hits they had,
Like do you remember like there was at the same time,
there were three bands that came out with a song
called Creep.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yes, it was a TLC, Radiohead and Stone Table Pilots.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I now think that Stone Temple Pilots is my favorite Creep.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
It's really good.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
As a kid, I always liked TLC's like I loved Creep.
I thought I didn't understand what it meant. I just
thought it was creep, like creepy crawlers. I thought it
was fun.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Is that true?
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yes? And then I found Radioheads Creep and you know,
you know, you're like, oh cool, this is this is
the introduction for Radiohead. But now I'm like dig time
with a broken hand, like like it's I think it's
the it's my favorite creep. It's definitely like it's not
over as overplayed for me.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I think of the three, which were all massive hits,
it's probably at this point the least overplayed of those three.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Of for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I mean, I think that song always it's that is
a dark that is like a nice dark moody minor key,
but subtle. It's like acoustic driven. And I feel like
that he was really good at these like lyrics that
were like, I know, we have to talk about this
song at some point, but this is a contextualization exercise,
like that take time with a wounded hand because it
(08:58):
likes to heal. Its both like the stupidest thing in
the world. They're also like, well, you know what, maybe
he's that kind of talking about like the benefits of patience,
and like give time time the body keeps the score.
Like take time with a wounded hand. It likes to heal,
it needs to heal. Put your fucking hand behind your
back until it heals. Dog, he stopped trying to steal
stuff again from that little market on the corner that
(09:19):
got you where you got your hands slapped. I think
what he did.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
You love when you and I just keep going, I.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Do it makes it, It makes it funny to me.
The tangents aren't. That's just how my brain speaks to
me all day and I know you do that. Yeah, yeah,
that actually makes it. I'm like, oh, that was crazy case.
He's just blown right by? All right? No please?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Does your daughter do that too? Or does she to me?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Or does she act like that?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Does she happen to you? Does she just be like okay,
So anyway.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
She both does that and has her own version of yeah, yeah,
I've infected her.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, yeah, Well I was going to say that to
your point about the lyrics, like he's kind of great
at making dumb or sound fun like, you know, like
where are you.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Going for tomorrow? Like Adam saying going where are you going?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
With the mascot found?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I mean, that's that's an all time ridiculous And I
feel and I feel when the dogs begin to smell her,
will she smell alone?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Something I always felt with STP was I actually think
in a lot of ways they are more like definitely
in their stage presence and stuff, they're a little bit
more hair bandy, like late hairband like you know, Motley
crue lamb Glam.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
There's a glam thing with him, yeah, for.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Sure, more than even like grunge. I think they were like, Okay,
we have to be grunge now, like we'll just act
that way. But like their stage presence and stuff, and
they they their harmonies are like the bass player has
great harmonies with him and totally like that's do you
remember that song? Another hit it Big Bang Baby.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah, that was like a full on t Rex song
or something like I want a Crub, I Got a
Leave and the video is like super saturated VH. Did
it's got that far? Yeah, that's like, yeah, the thing
with their band. I remember talking once to the bassist
in my former band, and he was telling you this
because he had strong commitments into like uh, philosophical intellectual
(11:35):
commitments to things. And he was also telling it to
like kind of throw shade at me through this edict.
But it's something I've returned to a lot.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
He is.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
He was always like the weakest link of almost every
rock band is the singer, like if you go through
And what he was sort of saying was like and
I kind of understood what he meant. It's always the
singer for for the for reasons in rock music up
until a certain point, and certainly even through to a
degree that's like the peacock, right, and every band had
(12:06):
to have like And there's a degree to which like
a peacock is ridiculous, and there's a degree to which
it's like the attraction, you know, it draws you to
be like when I look at those feathers, but then
sometimes you're also like calm down, you know what I mean.
And in this band, the thing is like listening to
that song, this one, what is a Candy Crush Girl.
(12:26):
It's Candy Girl, Sour Girl, Sour Patch Kids, the Indy Girls,
the Salad Patch Kids. They definitely are an awesome three
piece musical band, like all of those people. And really
what goes on I think so much with them is
(12:49):
it's so Zeppelin indebted, Like what's happening with the bass
and the guitar, Like a lot of what he's doing
with is the figures on guitar, the voice sings, the tuning,
and like sort of how the bass and drums move
around with each other. That's the band I hear. I
hear like a lot of Zeppelin, and then there's like
Beatles stuff they like glom into that. But that also
(13:11):
makes this thing what is strange about them that I
don't think anyone who was around in early Night when
they first came out would have predicted their development musically
and the breadth of influence. Like when you throw that stuff,
it's easy to say, like, yeah, they kind of do
a glam thing. Sometimes they kind of do a like
you know, t Rex whatever, sort of like a pre
(13:34):
punk thing sometimes, and then they do a lot of
like Zeppelin and Beatles and they put it in a blender.
But then what comes out is like some when it works,
it's stuff that you're like, that's really interesting for a
song that was like hugely successful. And the thing that
is always the asterisk for me, it's never what they're
doing musically. It's always whatever he's up to in a
(13:56):
given song. Sometimes it's cool and it's great, and sometimes
it's like.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
That's such a good point, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Most of the time so cool, Like I bet if
Arrowsmith a lot of arrows and he's a great singer
and a great rock singer, but a lot of what
like made Arrowsmith so successful and also a lot of
what you could point out and be like, that's fucking ridiculous.
Is whatever he's doing at any given time, I think.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
And that's true of even bands like like R E. M.
Like there are times that like I think the band
is always pretty solid, but there are times that I
like the things that Stipe is doing.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I think Stipe has maybe a better ratio of of
hits or of of doing interesting cool things. But there
are times and I'm like, I don't know about this
one Stipe.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Without question, and I think this is this this Michael
Stipe's gonna catch some strays right now. He does listen
a chancer.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
That's like, listens to every Omar, top.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Tier chancer, and he listens because he is He's always
around celebs. He listens with Omar. They actually listen together,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
And he's not only in the Patreon, he's on the
he's on the Matriarch.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
He's on the Patriarch and.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
The Matrion Matreon. We shall start a matreon, We should
start a matreon.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Well, we are as progressive allies. I do think it
is incumbent upon us to start a Matreon. But that
moving forward and moving backward and moving side to side.
I do think that with Stipe. What's funny is it's
actually interesting to bring him up in this context because
I do think he has this period of time where
(15:26):
he's like around the time that Wiland is becoming a
more like this sort of like as grunge is kind
of giving way. It's interesting to think about this actually,
like Billy Corgan starts to kind of do a little
bit of a like there's a little bit more of
a seventies thing going on more overtly where it's like
he's kind of like, I don't have to play those
(15:47):
that by those rules anymore. I've kind of always been
a little bit more of like a Bowie accolyte or.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
A like you're talking like ava Ador, I'm talking like Midnight.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
We must never be a pune. Yeah, there's like a yeah,
it's good. There's like a mid to late nineties thing
where these some of these grunge dudes start becoming a
little more like the next thing they kind of move
towards is a glam thing. And Michael Stipe totally around
like after the kind of like maybe through out of
time and automatic for the people he takes the kind
(16:19):
of like earthy, you know, erudite, poetic conjuring the mystery
from the Middle of America kind of thing. As far
as adventures New Adventures in high Fight totally, there starts
to be this little bit of like, now I'm gonna
do a little bit of yeah, like my Bowie thing,
my t Rex thing, my New York Dolls thing, and
(16:40):
through that that up record, he's like wearing a blue
a blue face paint bar across whatever it is. And
I feel like, what's weird is I'm not saying that
they're my favorite band of these bands, but I actually
think when Stone Tumple Pilots would slip into that they
were the most successful at it of those three because
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he understood ultimately to like his own personal detriment, that
it was like best served a little trashy and campy.
Like I think the Wiland thing when he's going into
this world, it's like he's kind of doing it's camp
he's doing a kind of like now, he might have
taken himself very seriously, as the video with all kinds
(17:21):
of like yogic poses and whatever else indicates, but.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
It becomes morris at certain times.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
That's yo, and that's in there. Morrissey, certainly, at least
in the Smiths before he kind of becomes lost inside
his own sort of bullshit. He was probably lost in
his own bullshit from the very beginning, but becomes big
enough to stay there. They were totally pulling from that
stuff too, Bowie and the New York Dolls and Patti
Smith and you know, like this kind of but Wilin
(17:50):
serves it up with like a funny he you know,
he was good at being a rock star.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
He was like, oh, it's also maybe it's in congress
to like what he started with the early stuff where
he's like, I am I am like that stuff. If
you watch the videos, he's like really just like rocking
and holding a mic.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
And then he was like, but no, now I do this,
which I think is kind of fun that he's got
this growth and he probably came out of his shell
to certain exactly where he was probably like they were
like or maybe he did that, and the director of
the music video was just like, no, dude, like that that.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Ain't you know that's not going to work in nineteen
ninety two.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yet not allowed, that's his thing.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, wait till I won't say his name on this
app but wait till he's dead and then we can
do that kind of shit the cops off duty, you
know what I'm talking about. I won't talk about him
in this app but yeah, yeah, there is a funny
story about him this Yeah, there is a funny story
about fifty cent and no about k Kurt and and
stone Till Pilots. Apparently the only time he ever met
(18:45):
them was backstage at one of their shows. They might
have had like mud Honey opening for them or something,
and he walked up to uh Wiland and said, I
haven't had the chance to hear your band yet, but
somebody told me you owe me money, meaning like because
one of the ris and one of the songs, and
as a joke, apparently Wyland gives him a dollar out
(19:06):
of his walleyre It's like that's great, thanks, we're settled now,
or you know whatever. It was like, that's pretty a
nicer story than like fuck this, you know, which I'm
sure is what his thoughts were about this band.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
But anyway, well, I had a question for you real
quick because this goes back into an early conversation we
had on one of the earlier pods.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Dude in't doctrinate me ol Mars.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
So do you think that Stone temopilots are, you know,
like we had this conversation about if you come from
the Beatles or from the Rolling Stones, right that being said,
where the band has these musical moments that feel very Beatles,
but the singer is very clearly a Jagger type.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Totally true, And I think I think they're a band
that's almost what's it called, Like I'm going to maybe
misuse a word a phrase that gets used a lot
these days, like code switching or something like. I feel
like they have Beatles records and then they have Stones records.
I feel like they have Beatles even on the same
record they'll have like, like, what's that song that's like, uh,
(20:05):
she doesn't know her name? She doesn't know her name?
Is something like that.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I made that sound like the Decembrists in a nice way.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
It's but it's a Beatles song. It's a straight up
like Sergeant Pepper's Like they have these moments. I think
because those brothers, the musical engine of the band is
those Delio brothers, and they're fucking good, like they're really
really good.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
And I think that they had their drugs then I
think and if the if the the landscape musical landscape
was a little different. They might have been a little
bit more like obviously Beatles, because they do have this
diversity of songs and like you know, they they they
change a lot, which I think is that's like the
number one thing. Like the Rolling Stones, like you know,
(20:50):
on their first album and their last album probably have
a song that is the same type of song.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
They were a little bit more married. Yeah, and they
took some adventurous trips and refined and expanded, but.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
They're pretty much fun Yeah, great blues.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Rock band that has taken that in a bunch of directions.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
But yeah, and it's never meant to knock them. And
I don't know, I think when I say that though,
like when I even say like they want to be Beatles,
I don't mean it like that's the better one to have.
It's just kind of it is though it is inherently
like a kind of a more interesting like although like
you know, Radiohead is clearly like from the Beatles, And
what's the other one that you had as an example
of like Radioheads, Beetles and something else like.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
The Oasis are the Stones even though they sound like
the Beatles. It's like funny because the way they behaved
the like like the kind of insoucian like, yeah, yeah,
that's totally and I think you kind of have that,
you know, it's like Guns n' Roses where the Stones
even though he thought he was. He thought he was like,
I don't know all of it. He thought he was
like the Beatles, the Stones, Elton John, Freddie Mercury, and
(21:53):
Trent Reznor all at the same time or something. But
he they're the Stones and Nirvana were the Beatles. I
think it's like kind of clear, like you can find
two major acts from these periods of time or I
think throughout and I even think you could still do
that kind of now.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And I even think like like like a bent attitudinal.
The Strokes are very like very Stones band, and they
have moments where they try out different things, especially on
their last record. But I would say that even I
think even Julian Casablancs would be like, we're no, we're
trying to be the Stones, like like his his like
stuff with the Voids, like his side project, like that
is probably more of like Okay, I'll do the beatleshit there.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, which is really him like the Beatles being fed
to like Captain beef mart or something like that. It's
like unlistenable, but I appreciate its existence.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I think I think with these
guys it's like I really do think it's like he
by nature seems to come out.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I do think it's impossible to talk about his development
as a performer without like he also like was pretty
heavily into drugs for most of his public life, and
I think that that got like darker and weirder as
time went on. Yeah, and I think that that plays
a role probably in his like coming out as a
performer to some degree, right, like liquid courage or whatever,
(23:22):
chemical courage. But I do think he it's funny, like
whenever I think about that binary and it is a
little reductive, but it's fun for these kinds of conversations,
these purposes. I think of it like the Strokes of
the Stones, because the Strokes are like anyone who's trying
to be like a dirty rock band. That's where that's
where I think of the lineage goes to there and
(23:44):
it's almost like, yeah, like we're bad boys. It's like
a little bit of that. Whereas yeah, you know the
Beatles thing, not only because they were a little bit
more clean cut or whatever aesthetically, but also because like
they became these like explorers, they were like the first
it wasn't like Elvis was like, you know what I
want to make Like I guess you could say that
(24:06):
Brian Wilson was doing that like kind of alongside them,
but the Beatles and the Beach Boys vibrated at a
different frequency in the culture at the time. I think
people caught up with Brian Wilson and Pet Sounds like
later in a way. When it came out, it was
kind of like a dut like people were like, what
the fuck was that? But that's not what happened with
Sergeant Pepper's or the White Album. You know, that stuff
(24:27):
was thought of as like, oh my god, they're revolutionizing.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
They stuck the landing a little bit better too, in
terms of like you know, in the moment where it's
likely no one would question if Pet Sounds stuck the landing,
it definitely did, but in the moment, sure, in the moment,
I think like it didn't. I mean, and it's still
sold incredibly well. Like Pet Sounds was a giant hit
even for what we're talking about, but I don't think
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it was like at them. I don't think they were
lifting it up the same sort of cred like cred
and uh criticism, totally positive criticism that Sergeant Pepper had.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
That happens later. But it's funny because they were anytime
you hear harmonies like the ones in this there's a
lot of really like compelling harmony stuff in this song too.
And the Beach Boys. The Beach Boys are right there
with me with the Beatles. Whenever there's like a rock
band that's Harmony Forward, you know, I think about and
that's my that is also, by the way, my that's
my like, uh, that's my hip hop name. That's my forward. Yeah.
(25:27):
That's also my like online basketball name, like fantasy basket.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah, so if you want to, everyone wants to track
his online basketball at Harmony Forward on basketball dot.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Basketball, Twitter dot fart. Yeah. But but.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
My name is Carte Blanche. Wow, it's really good. Carte Blanche,
that's very good. And bon Mots is my other that's
my other rap name.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Those are much better than Harmony Forward, let's be honest.
But but whatever there is a Harmony Forward rock band,
those are the two that I think of, and I
thought of the beat the Beach Boys during this too,
like that's the thing they actually what I do think
the Stone Temple Pilots ended up doing, and this song
is I don't want what's kind of again? What's like lame?
Sorry one thought at a time. What the Stone Temple
(26:15):
Pilots ended up doing that I think was actually like
interesting for band in their position, which is effectively like
a radio rock band. They explored the contours of their
room within pretty extensively, and they found a lot of
weird interesting nooks in that room, way more than you
would have thought of. If all you heard was like
(26:35):
core in nineteen ninety two, you were I think people
were probably like, yeah, that'll be that from that band,
But they actually found all this kind of weird, interesting shit,
And I would this is maybe sacer religious. I would
say that the five or six highlights as singles over
the course of like their post nineteen ninety two debut
from like the second record Forward Purple I think was
(26:57):
that record. I kind of think those five or six
songs are like better than the They're kind of up
there with whatever the best Pearl Jam or Smashing Pumpkins
or whatever their contemporaries were, but maybe even they're better.
Some of those songs are like kind of agree man cool.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I like when when those songs have come on, like
Interstate Love Song and fush Yeah, like all those songs
like there that's the thing. I shouldn't be so surprised
by them, big empty, that's great, great tunes and there's
that's the thing. It's like to have that many songs
that not only are like ingrained in my memory, but
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like that because they were just constantly on the radio.
I remember like sitting in my being in my mom's car,
it's like so hot in the summer and k Rock
is on, and like it would almost be like a
stone table pilot song after the next. Yeah, you're listening
to the radio, you know, definitely on.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
A two for Tuesday, no doubt, on a two for Tuesday,
and they'd kind of pull one from the press and
one from the past, you know what I mean. And
you're listening to.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Do Tuesday, Casey just them.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
And on Harmony Forward and you're listening to CAZy Tuesday.
What would Casey Tuesday be?
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Casey Tuesday's on Tuesdays. You I give you, I give
you a free massage. Wow.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
So it's a service thing.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
For you, it's of course you don't receive wow. Would
you have to find me? But you have to find me.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
So if anyone out there finds CAZy on a Tuesday,
on a Tuesday, you got a BackRub, because I will
be mad about it doing at my church. How did
you find me? Knucklehead? Anyway, that being said, chances for me.
There's one anti chance thing, which is talk about which
we've kind of covered a little bit. You know, has
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lyrics like sometimes the words, you know, but in rock
music maybe who cares, you know, but I'm infected not
by like down with the sick mess, but I'm infected
by the fucking Dylan whatever. Like I do care about
the words, and some times when the words are like
that whole shit about like she was a teenage girl
when I met her, Like you know, he does do
(29:06):
the rock and roll thing a little bit where you're.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Like, yikes, yeah, And it's like even having Sarah Michelle
gellerin which like she was she looks like in the
video by the way, yeah, in a cool way. She
was like when Buffy the Vampire Slayer started, I think
she was like sixteen, but like or something like that.
It was like between sixteen and eighteen and then so
I can't imagine in nineteen ninety nine how old she
(29:30):
is for this video. But I don't know. It's it's
always I don't want to go into that too much.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
No, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I just wanted to.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I just wanted to address it. She wanted to.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
No, no, no, for sure, no, yeah, I always do it.
But the other but like the lyrics, it's like a
little too you know, like here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
It ends with this word yes total next one is
not what you thought.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
And it's like, you know, when you write down poetry,
like when you're like an in like high school, Yes,
and you're less aware that you're writing poetry and you're
trying to make it sound a little bit special.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yes, you're like putting some on there and you're talking
to that. I wonder if you even so to the
chancellors that might not know this. We were not there
at the same time, I don't think at all. Right,
Casey and I were at the same high school. Just
are my brother is the bridge between the two of us,
I think in our time at that school bridge to yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
And I don't know if you know this, Casey, But
in nineteen ninety six, as a junior, I was the
president of the poetry club at an all boys Captain school. Yeah,
I don't even know. It probably didn't exist by the time.
I don't know that that was still a thing. But
it was like me and four dudes, one of whom
literally recreated the cover of the Queen is Dead, like
(30:50):
the Smith's cover where the guy's like laying in the
car or whatever. Like that was just your book photo. Yeah,
I just played that.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
What that album?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Oh, just like on the show before I came on,
you do a pre you do a.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Preaching Free Chancers pod that that's just there's an album
I'm listening to, fuck keV and it can't be posted anywhere.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Wow, So how do people hear it? They gotta find
you on case on.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Tuesday, see you next Tuesday. That's like my whole thing,
my whole like my whope branding is see you next Tuesday.
So but it's just the letters and instead of C,
it's it's see. It's the letter C. So it's see
you n T.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
That's I don't want to get into that here. I
don't want to get here.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
We go.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I have an edge and honestly That's where I sometimes
feel like you really know that this is we are
going to tie this together sometimes while and it's a
little bit like, yeah, we get it, dude, you have
an edge too. You have an edge, Ginger a poet,
You have an edge, Ginger a poet, and will she
smell alone? And whatever?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
But you know, but would you put this song on
the Greatest Hit of Stone Tumble Pilots.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, greatest hits is what tend to try, like album length,
all the hop, all the top hop, all the top singles.
I mean, I don't know this song happened after my
time with them, but I will say if you're telling me,
it was like in nineteen ninety nine, let's situate this
in the teeth of eminem boy bands, Britney Spears and
(32:27):
fucking like Heavy Olympus Get Corn. Yes, they were still
having like trol level success with a song like that.
That is the last thing I remember thinking about them
that was like, oh, that's notable. They stayed big when
that stuff was happening. They had like a really heavy
song that was like a big single at that time,
(32:48):
maybe in the early two thousands it's called But I
remember being like it was like the heaviest music they'd made.
It maybe like really almost like the Deftones or something
like really thick. I remember being like, welp, shout out
to STP right in that wave. So I don't know.
I think ultimately where I've landed is like overall, I
(33:10):
don't know that. I love that they're an albums band
for me, but they are singles band for sure. And
this song more chance than Anti Chance.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I like it more than Velvet Revolver, No.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Dowdy hoopoo Change, no Doubty much.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Of a Revolver is interesting because it's like it's like
scott was like, what if I got rid of this
band that's holding me back?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, And the rest of Guns and Roses was like,
what if we got rid of this psycho that actually yeah, Like.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
No, I think it's kind of it not to say
it's an upgrade, but like at the time, it's an
upgrade for them, but I think it's kind of a
downgrade for Scottie.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I think so. And I think it's also he got
to lean far out into his stones cosplay in that
he was like, now I'm like a rocker, you know
what I mean? Whereas STP there's like art pretensions here
and there. There definitely are in guns and roses too,
but not in Velvet Revolver. It comes the w It's
(34:04):
funny also to think and then we should fucking wrap
this gavel up be But it's funny to think about
how that was the same period of time. I think
we're like Rage against the Machine and Soundgarden did that too,
where it was like, you know, Zach doesn't really want
to do this anymore. Chris Cornell was like, well, Soundgarden
doesn't really want to do this anymore. Why don't we
just you know, like we'll do it. I'll be the
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singer and Rage against the Machine plus me.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah, that's funny. I didn't think about that. Those are
two like of that example of it's it's the van Hagar.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
It's totally van Hagar. But if Van Hagar then called
themselves like you know, the Glove or something.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, sports Mafia.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I don't, well, guys, at the end of the day,
you know we're saying stp better than you remember, uh,
and like so like make sure you find case give
them a fucking squeeze on.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
It too, a little bad hat, a little back massage,
maybe some bad bunch. Well, I might just punch your back,
so be careful because I'm a roll C. Next Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I think that's good bye, Bud.
Give it a chance, give it a chance. Give it
a chick come morning, Give it a chance, Give it
a chance, give it a chance, give it a chick,
come morning, Give it a chi You want to give
it a chance, give it a chance, give it a chance.
Just give it a chance. Yes, Welcome to the chaos.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well what is that? That's good? What is that you mean?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
What do you mean? What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
What is what? Welcome to the chaos?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Oh that's me. That's what I sound like and what
I say. That's how I open every episode for the chancers.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Oh, I don't think. I don't think I've been paying
close enough at ten ship.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
You kidding me? You have to listen to over every
omar because for the chancers, I always give them that
guy ass.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Wait, I was this a hint?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
No?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Oh not.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I thought I was supposed to guess where we were
going from there something about that.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I don't think it's happening for the rest of our lives.
Now you're gonna be like, is that a hint?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I supposed to know what song we're doing, and you're like,
we're actually just out in the street. I do feel
like maybe for some reason, what you're saying makes me
think of Chris Angel mind freak. But I don't think
there's a song in that necessarily or that. Maybe that's
not even how Chris Angel mind freak rests in peace.
Maybe that's not even how he talked. He's alive, right,
We're right? Should I check?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Actually, I don't know. I always get him confused with
all the other magicians like uh Dallagher, carrat Top, yeah,
a Copperfield. Do you think Carrot Top considers himself like
a magician or a comedian or an entertainer.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I think, well, Cedric's the entertainer. I think I think
cat probably. I don't think he thinks of himself as
a magician. Weight is there anything? Is there any magician
part of his act at all? I was just being
a horse. A horse is patuit.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Today we're giving carrot Top a chance.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I saw a commercial with Will Farrell yesterday, and I
don't know if it was like part of the commercial,
but he looked like carrots Top, like a lot of thing.
It's happening to him now.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Sometimes sometimes, yeah, sometimes men age into other people. Wow,
he's aging out of the drummer of red Aushili Pepper's
and it's the carat.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Top, two great tastes that taste great forever.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
That's a bit of a You're a bit of a
carrat Top in some ways.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I know. People always say, oh, you look just like
Carrot Top. Oh, you have the same muscles as Karen.
Did he bite you?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
And a werewolf?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Cat?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Werewolves?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, they think it's like a werewolf, or they think
it's like Spider Man, you know, radioactive Carrot Top and
I have his muscles.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Today we're doing Sour Girl plays Stone Temple Violet.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Oh, I don't even if I know this. I have
a rich history with this.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Typically, I just felt like we were already so having
too much fun that I was like, that's just I'm
gonna take away even the guessing. So okay, So there's
a whole reason why I'm choosing this.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Part of it is I was hanging out with some
friends recently, and I promise I have friends, and I
I was hanging out with some friends and we were
we put on a bunch of Stone Temple Pilots, and
I want to listen to this song first, and then
I want to discuss maybe our histories with Stone Temple Pilots.
(03:27):
All I'll say is that they have so many more
hits than I remember. I can't even believe how many.
And they're they're like the diversity of music, and it
is like kind of insane, and they're kind of they're
kind of a band I write off sometimes. But all
that this might be the reason why in the early
(03:51):
two thousand they put out this song called Sour Girl,
which I also suggest maybe watching the music video. It
has Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Oh what was wait? Wait? Wait what was her name?
Not Christy Swanson, not the og but the try Michelle Sarah,
Michelle Geller. That's right.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
This song kind of turned me off to them, but
I haven't listened to it in so long. I just
I have the chorus in my head, or actually I
don't have the chorus. I have more of the verse
in my head. That's the part that I've always used
to find yucky, and the chorus like is a little better.
But we'll go into all that. Can't wait and listen
to it right now, sports.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Fans, I totally forgot about that song, like fully for
do you remember it?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Though?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Particularly once not when it started not at the very top,
I was like, oh, maybe this is like because it
would have made when did this song come out? Two
thousand and two.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And one or two? Yeah, So I think that this
would have been like nine ninety nine, ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I feel like I was not This would have been
like something that could have very easily slipped by my
field division at that point. Because also I think like
I don't know how much I was listening to like
K rock here in New York, for instance, like which
was at that time, like the big rock and roll
station or whatever, And I certainly don't know was this
(05:13):
like on MTV a lot, this song?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Actually it was. It was on tr L and it
won the Best I just saw it won the Best
Music Video for Cinematography for the VM.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
WHOA, Wow, look at you other.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I love research Casey so goodt it? You need to
know the NSA.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I'm not sorry, asshole NSSA not so aggregated. No, I uh,
I well I found that. So it's funny because what
you said about they're not a band I put on
really ever. But there are singles that will come up
(05:56):
and you know in your periphery that you're like, oh yeah,
they were like kind of really good in a lot
of ways. And for a long time. I think the
thing I don't know, so for me, when they first
came out, he was instantly like they made their record,
that first record and maybe the first two with the
same guy that made those Pearl Jam records, Brandon O'Brien,
(06:19):
and he had that kind of burly like post veter
kind of hang on or wrong like that thing. I
am miam And I think people thought like they were
just an inferior Pearl Jam, but I actually think over
the arc of their band, their high points. You're right,
(06:40):
they're like really stretched out kind of over a longer
period of time. Not a longer period. Pearl Jam has
been around forever, but you know what I mean, they
had a longer shelf life than I thought they did
than I remembered them having. And there's interesting different esthetic markers,
like at each point, this is like a there's so
many things happening in this song that I'm like that
(07:01):
to me is like actually like it's it indicates kind
of how far popular music has moved. And I don't
mean this in an old man shaking fists of the skyway.
That's like a very musical song.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, it's like it's dark it's it's uh, what's the
word for it. It's moody.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
It's such a moody.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Like weird song that that's not even the thing I
dislike about it necessarily or I remember yeh, but but
I do now listening with like fresh years or older
years or something like, I appreciate more of it. It
was so different than what I remember from that band.
And again, like just to go into what you were saying,
(07:41):
like I agree that I forgot how many hits they had,
Like do you remember like there was at the same time,
there were three bands that came out with a song
called Creep.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yes, it was a TLC, Radiohead and Stone Table Pilots.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I now think that Stone Temple Pilots is my favorite Creep.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
It's really good.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
As a kid, I always liked TLC's like I loved Creep.
I thought I didn't understand what it meant. I just
thought it was creep, like creepy crawlers. I thought it
was fun.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Is that true?
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yes? And then I found Radioheads Creep and you know,
you know, you're like, oh cool, this is this is
the introduction for Radiohead. But now I'm like dig time
with a broken hand, like like it's I think it's
the it's my favorite creep. It's definitely like it's not
over as overplayed for me.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I think of the three, which were all massive hits,
it's probably at this point the least overplayed of those three.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Of for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I mean, I think that song always it's that is
a dark that is like a nice dark moody minor key,
but subtle. It's like acoustic driven. And I feel like
that he was really good at these like lyrics that
were like, I know, we have to talk about this
song at some point, but this is a contextualization exercise,
like that take time with a wounded hand because it
(08:58):
likes to heal. Its both like the stupidest thing in
the world. They're also like, well, you know what, maybe
he's that kind of talking about like the benefits of patience,
and like give time time the body keeps the score.
Like take time with a wounded hand. It likes to heal,
it needs to heal. Put your fucking hand behind your
back until it heals. Dog, he stopped trying to steal
stuff again from that little market on the corner that
(09:19):
got you where you got your hands slapped. I think
what he did.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
You love when you and I just keep going, I.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Do it makes it, It makes it funny to me.
The tangents aren't. That's just how my brain speaks to
me all day and I know you do that. Yeah, yeah,
that actually makes it. I'm like, oh, that was crazy case.
He's just blown right by? All right? No please?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Does your daughter do that too? Or does she to me?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Or does she act like that?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Does she happen to you? Does she just be like okay,
So anyway.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
She both does that and has her own version of yeah, yeah,
I've infected her.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, yeah, Well I was going to say that to
your point about the lyrics, like he's kind of great
at making dumb or sound fun like, you know, like
where are you.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Going for tomorrow? Like Adam saying going where are you going?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
With the mascot found?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I mean, that's that's an all time ridiculous And I
feel and I feel when the dogs begin to smell her,
will she smell alone?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Something I always felt with STP was I actually think
in a lot of ways they are more like definitely
in their stage presence and stuff, they're a little bit
more hair bandy, like late hairband like you know, Motley
crue lamb Glam.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
There's a glam thing with him, yeah, for.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Sure, more than even like grunge. I think they were like, Okay,
we have to be grunge now, like we'll just act
that way. But like their stage presence and stuff, and
they they their harmonies are like the bass player has
great harmonies with him and totally like that's do you
remember that song? Another hit it Big Bang Baby.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah, that was like a full on t Rex song
or something like I want a Crub, I Got a
Leave and the video is like super saturated VH. Did
it's got that far? Yeah, that's like, yeah, the thing
with their band. I remember talking once to the bassist
in my former band, and he was telling you this
because he had strong commitments into like uh, philosophical intellectual
(11:35):
commitments to things. And he was also telling it to
like kind of throw shade at me through this edict.
But it's something I've returned to a lot.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
He is.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
He was always like the weakest link of almost every
rock band is the singer, like if you go through
And what he was sort of saying was like and
I kind of understood what he meant. It's always the
singer for for the for reasons in rock music up
until a certain point, and certainly even through to a
degree that's like the peacock, right, and every band had
(12:06):
to have like And there's a degree to which like
a peacock is ridiculous, and there's a degree to which
it's like the attraction, you know, it draws you to
be like when I look at those feathers, but then
sometimes you're also like calm down, you know what I mean.
And in this band, the thing is like listening to
that song, this one, what is a Candy Crush Girl.
(12:26):
It's Candy Girl, Sour Girl, Sour Patch Kids, the Indy Girls,
the Salad Patch Kids. They definitely are an awesome three
piece musical band, like all of those people. And really
what goes on I think so much with them is
(12:49):
it's so Zeppelin indebted, Like what's happening with the bass
and the guitar, Like a lot of what he's doing
with is the figures on guitar, the voice sings, the tuning,
and like sort of how the bass and drums move
around with each other. That's the band I hear. I
hear like a lot of Zeppelin, and then there's like
Beatles stuff they like glom into that. But that also
(13:11):
makes this thing what is strange about them that I
don't think anyone who was around in early Night when
they first came out would have predicted their development musically
and the breadth of influence. Like when you throw that stuff,
it's easy to say, like, yeah, they kind of do
a glam thing. Sometimes they kind of do a like
you know, t Rex whatever, sort of like a pre
(13:34):
punk thing sometimes, and then they do a lot of
like Zeppelin and Beatles and they put it in a blender.
But then what comes out is like some when it works,
it's stuff that you're like, that's really interesting for a
song that was like hugely successful. And the thing that
is always the asterisk for me, it's never what they're
doing musically. It's always whatever he's up to in a
(13:56):
given song. Sometimes it's cool and it's great, and sometimes
it's like.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
That's such a good point, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Most of the time so cool, Like I bet if
Arrowsmith a lot of arrows and he's a great singer
and a great rock singer, but a lot of what
like made Arrowsmith so successful and also a lot of
what you could point out and be like, that's fucking ridiculous.
Is whatever he's doing at any given time, I think.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
And that's true of even bands like like R E. M.
Like there are times that like I think the band
is always pretty solid, but there are times that I
like the things that Stipe is doing.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I think Stipe has maybe a better ratio of of
hits or of of doing interesting cool things. But there
are times and I'm like, I don't know about this
one Stipe.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Without question, and I think this is this this Michael
Stipe's gonna catch some strays right now. He does listen
a chancer.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
That's like, listens to every Omar, top.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Tier chancer, and he listens because he is He's always
around celebs. He listens with Omar. They actually listen together,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
And he's not only in the Patreon, he's on the
he's on the Matriarch.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
He's on the Patriarch and.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
The Matrion Matreon. We shall start a matreon, We should
start a matreon.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Well, we are as progressive allies. I do think it
is incumbent upon us to start a Matreon. But that
moving forward and moving backward and moving side to side.
I do think that with Stipe. What's funny is it's
actually interesting to bring him up in this context because
I do think he has this period of time where
(15:26):
he's like around the time that Wiland is becoming a
more like this sort of like as grunge is kind
of giving way. It's interesting to think about this actually,
like Billy Corgan starts to kind of do a little
bit of a like there's a little bit more of
a seventies thing going on more overtly where it's like
he's kind of like, I don't have to play those
(15:47):
that by those rules anymore. I've kind of always been
a little bit more of like a Bowie accolyte or.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
A like you're talking like ava Ador, I'm talking like Midnight.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
We must never be a pune. Yeah, there's like a yeah,
it's good. There's like a mid to late nineties thing
where these some of these grunge dudes start becoming a
little more like the next thing they kind of move
towards is a glam thing. And Michael Stipe totally around
like after the kind of like maybe through out of
time and automatic for the people he takes the kind
(16:19):
of like earthy, you know, erudite, poetic conjuring the mystery
from the Middle of America kind of thing. As far
as adventures New Adventures in high Fight totally, there starts
to be this little bit of like, now I'm gonna
do a little bit of yeah, like my Bowie thing,
my t Rex thing, my New York Dolls thing, and
(16:40):
through that that up record, he's like wearing a blue
a blue face paint bar across whatever it is. And
I feel like, what's weird is I'm not saying that
they're my favorite band of these bands, but I actually
think when Stone Tumple Pilots would slip into that they
were the most successful at it of those three because
(17:00):
he understood ultimately to like his own personal detriment, that
it was like best served a little trashy and campy.
Like I think the Wiland thing when he's going into
this world, it's like he's kind of doing it's camp
he's doing a kind of like now, he might have
taken himself very seriously, as the video with all kinds
(17:21):
of like yogic poses and whatever else indicates, but.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
It becomes morris at certain times.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
That's yo, and that's in there. Morrissey, certainly, at least
in the Smiths before he kind of becomes lost inside
his own sort of bullshit. He was probably lost in
his own bullshit from the very beginning, but becomes big
enough to stay there. They were totally pulling from that
stuff too, Bowie and the New York Dolls and Patti
Smith and you know, like this kind of but Wilin
(17:50):
serves it up with like a funny he you know,
he was good at being a rock star.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
He was like, oh, it's also maybe it's in congress
to like what he started with the early stuff where
he's like, I am I am like that stuff. If
you watch the videos, he's like really just like rocking
and holding a mic.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
And then he was like, but no, now I do this,
which I think is kind of fun that he's got
this growth and he probably came out of his shell
to certain exactly where he was probably like they were
like or maybe he did that, and the director of
the music video was just like, no, dude, like that that.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Ain't you know that's not going to work in nineteen
ninety two.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yet not allowed, that's his thing.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, wait till I won't say his name on this
app but wait till he's dead and then we can
do that kind of shit the cops off duty, you
know what I'm talking about. I won't talk about him
in this app but yeah, yeah, there is a funny
story about him this Yeah, there is a funny story
about fifty cent and no about k Kurt and and
stone Till Pilots. Apparently the only time he ever met
(18:45):
them was backstage at one of their shows. They might
have had like mud Honey opening for them or something,
and he walked up to uh Wiland and said, I
haven't had the chance to hear your band yet, but
somebody told me you owe me money, meaning like because
one of the ris and one of the songs, and
as a joke, apparently Wyland gives him a dollar out
(19:06):
of his walleyre It's like that's great, thanks, we're settled now,
or you know whatever. It was like, that's pretty a
nicer story than like fuck this, you know, which I'm
sure is what his thoughts were about this band.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
But anyway, well, I had a question for you real
quick because this goes back into an early conversation we
had on one of the earlier pods.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Dude in't doctrinate me ol Mars.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
So do you think that Stone temopilots are, you know,
like we had this conversation about if you come from
the Beatles or from the Rolling Stones, right that being said,
where the band has these musical moments that feel very Beatles,
but the singer is very clearly a Jagger type.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Totally true, And I think I think they're a band
that's almost what's it called, Like I'm going to maybe
misuse a word a phrase that gets used a lot
these days, like code switching or something like. I feel
like they have Beatles records and then they have Stones records.
I feel like they have Beatles even on the same
record they'll have like, like, what's that song that's like, uh,
(20:05):
she doesn't know her name? She doesn't know her name?
Is something like that.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I made that sound like the Decembrists in a nice way.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
It's but it's a Beatles song. It's a straight up
like Sergeant Pepper's Like they have these moments. I think
because those brothers, the musical engine of the band is
those Delio brothers, and they're fucking good, like they're really
really good.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
And I think that they had their drugs then I
think and if the if the the landscape musical landscape
was a little different. They might have been a little
bit more like obviously Beatles, because they do have this
diversity of songs and like you know, they they they
change a lot, which I think is that's like the
number one thing. Like the Rolling Stones, like you know,
(20:50):
on their first album and their last album probably have
a song that is the same type of song.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
They were a little bit more married. Yeah, and they
took some adventurous trips and refined and expanded, but.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
They're pretty much fun Yeah, great blues.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Rock band that has taken that in a bunch of directions.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
But yeah, and it's never meant to knock them. And
I don't know, I think when I say that though,
like when I even say like they want to be Beatles,
I don't mean it like that's the better one to have.
It's just kind of it is though it is inherently
like a kind of a more interesting like although like
you know, Radiohead is clearly like from the Beatles, And
what's the other one that you had as an example
of like Radioheads, Beetles and something else like.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
The Oasis are the Stones even though they sound like
the Beatles. It's like funny because the way they behaved
the like like the kind of insoucian like, yeah, yeah,
that's totally and I think you kind of have that,
you know, it's like Guns n' Roses where the Stones
even though he thought he was. He thought he was like,
I don't know all of it. He thought he was
like the Beatles, the Stones, Elton John, Freddie Mercury, and
(21:53):
Trent Reznor all at the same time or something. But
he they're the Stones and Nirvana were the Beatles. I
think it's like kind of clear, like you can find
two major acts from these periods of time or I
think throughout and I even think you could still do
that kind of now.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And I even think like like like a bent attitudinal.
The Strokes are very like very Stones band, and they
have moments where they try out different things, especially on
their last record. But I would say that even I
think even Julian Casablancs would be like, we're no, we're
trying to be the Stones, like like his his like
stuff with the Voids, like his side project, like that
is probably more of like Okay, I'll do the beatleshit there.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, which is really him like the Beatles being fed
to like Captain beef mart or something like that. It's
like unlistenable, but I appreciate its existence.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I think I think with these
guys it's like I really do think it's like he
by nature seems to come out.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I do think it's impossible to talk about his development
as a performer without like he also like was pretty
heavily into drugs for most of his public life, and
I think that that got like darker and weirder as
time went on. Yeah, and I think that that plays
a role probably in his like coming out as a
performer to some degree, right, like liquid courage or whatever,
(23:22):
chemical courage. But I do think he it's funny, like
whenever I think about that binary and it is a
little reductive, but it's fun for these kinds of conversations,
these purposes. I think of it like the Strokes of
the Stones, because the Strokes are like anyone who's trying
to be like a dirty rock band. That's where that's
where I think of the lineage goes to there and
(23:44):
it's almost like, yeah, like we're bad boys. It's like
a little bit of that. Whereas yeah, you know the
Beatles thing, not only because they were a little bit
more clean cut or whatever aesthetically, but also because like
they became these like explorers, they were like the first
it wasn't like Elvis was like, you know what I
want to make Like I guess you could say that
(24:06):
Brian Wilson was doing that like kind of alongside them,
but the Beatles and the Beach Boys vibrated at a
different frequency in the culture at the time. I think
people caught up with Brian Wilson and Pet Sounds like
later in a way. When it came out, it was
kind of like a dut like people were like, what
the fuck was that? But that's not what happened with
Sergeant Pepper's or the White Album. You know, that stuff
(24:27):
was thought of as like, oh my god, they're revolutionizing.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
They stuck the landing a little bit better too, in
terms of like you know, in the moment where it's
likely no one would question if Pet Sounds stuck the landing,
it definitely did, but in the moment, sure, in the moment,
I think like it didn't. I mean, and it's still
sold incredibly well. Like Pet Sounds was a giant hit
even for what we're talking about, but I don't think
(24:53):
it was like at them. I don't think they were
lifting it up the same sort of cred like cred
and uh criticism, totally positive criticism that Sergeant Pepper had.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
That happens later. But it's funny because they were anytime
you hear harmonies like the ones in this there's a
lot of really like compelling harmony stuff in this song too.
And the Beach Boys. The Beach Boys are right there
with me with the Beatles. Whenever there's like a rock
band that's Harmony Forward, you know, I think about and
that's my that is also, by the way, my that's
my like, uh, that's my hip hop name. That's my forward. Yeah.
(25:27):
That's also my like online basketball name, like fantasy basket.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah, so if you want to, everyone wants to track
his online basketball at Harmony Forward on basketball dot.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Basketball, Twitter dot fart. Yeah. But but.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
My name is Carte Blanche. Wow, it's really good. Carte Blanche,
that's very good. And bon Mots is my other that's
my other rap name.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Those are much better than Harmony Forward, let's be honest.
But but whatever there is a Harmony Forward rock band,
those are the two that I think of, and I
thought of the beat the Beach Boys during this too,
like that's the thing they actually what I do think
the Stone Temple Pilots ended up doing, and this song
is I don't want what's kind of again? What's like lame?
Sorry one thought at a time. What the Stone Temple
(26:15):
Pilots ended up doing that I think was actually like
interesting for band in their position, which is effectively like
a radio rock band. They explored the contours of their
room within pretty extensively, and they found a lot of
weird interesting nooks in that room, way more than you
would have thought of. If all you heard was like
(26:35):
core in nineteen ninety two, you were I think people
were probably like, yeah, that'll be that from that band,
But they actually found all this kind of weird, interesting shit,
And I would this is maybe sacer religious. I would
say that the five or six highlights as singles over
the course of like their post nineteen ninety two debut
from like the second record Forward Purple I think was
(26:57):
that record. I kind of think those five or six
songs are like better than the They're kind of up
there with whatever the best Pearl Jam or Smashing Pumpkins
or whatever their contemporaries were, but maybe even they're better.
Some of those songs are like kind of agree man cool.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I like when when those songs have come on, like
Interstate Love Song and fush Yeah, like all those songs
like there that's the thing. I shouldn't be so surprised
by them, big empty, that's great, great tunes and there's
that's the thing. It's like to have that many songs
that not only are like ingrained in my memory, but
(27:33):
like that because they were just constantly on the radio.
I remember like sitting in my being in my mom's car,
it's like so hot in the summer and k Rock
is on, and like it would almost be like a
stone table pilot song after the next. Yeah, you're listening
to the radio, you know, definitely on.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
A two for Tuesday, no doubt, on a two for Tuesday,
and they'd kind of pull one from the press and
one from the past, you know what I mean. And
you're listening to.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Do Tuesday, Casey just them.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
And on Harmony Forward and you're listening to CAZy Tuesday.
What would Casey Tuesday be?
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Casey Tuesday's on Tuesdays. You I give you, I give
you a free massage. Wow.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
So it's a service thing.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
For you, it's of course you don't receive wow. Would
you have to find me? But you have to find me.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
So if anyone out there finds CAZy on a Tuesday,
on a Tuesday, you got a BackRub, because I will
be mad about it doing at my church. How did
you find me? Knucklehead? Anyway, that being said, chances for me.
There's one anti chance thing, which is talk about which
we've kind of covered a little bit. You know, has
(28:44):
lyrics like sometimes the words, you know, but in rock
music maybe who cares, you know, but I'm infected not
by like down with the sick mess, but I'm infected
by the fucking Dylan whatever. Like I do care about
the words, and some times when the words are like
that whole shit about like she was a teenage girl
when I met her, Like you know, he does do
(29:06):
the rock and roll thing a little bit where you're.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Like, yikes, yeah, And it's like even having Sarah Michelle
gellerin which like she was she looks like in the
video by the way, yeah, in a cool way. She
was like when Buffy the Vampire Slayer started, I think
she was like sixteen, but like or something like that.
It was like between sixteen and eighteen and then so
I can't imagine in nineteen ninety nine how old she
(29:30):
is for this video. But I don't know. It's it's
always I don't want to go into that too much.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
No, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I just wanted to.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I just wanted to address it. She wanted to.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
No, no, no, for sure, no, yeah, I always do it.
But the other but like the lyrics, it's like a
little too you know, like here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
It ends with this word yes total next one is
not what you thought.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
And it's like, you know, when you write down poetry,
like when you're like an in like high school, Yes,
and you're less aware that you're writing poetry and you're
trying to make it sound a little bit special.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yes, you're like putting some on there and you're talking
to that. I wonder if you even so to the
chancellors that might not know this. We were not there
at the same time, I don't think at all. Right,
Casey and I were at the same high school. Just
are my brother is the bridge between the two of us,
I think in our time at that school bridge to yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
And I don't know if you know this, Casey, But
in nineteen ninety six, as a junior, I was the
president of the poetry club at an all boys Captain school. Yeah,
I don't even know. It probably didn't exist by the time.
I don't know that that was still a thing. But
it was like me and four dudes, one of whom
literally recreated the cover of the Queen is Dead, like
(30:50):
the Smith's cover where the guy's like laying in the
car or whatever. Like that was just your book photo. Yeah,
I just played that.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
What that album?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Oh, just like on the show before I came on,
you do a pre you do a.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Preaching Free Chancers pod that that's just there's an album
I'm listening to, fuck keV and it can't be posted anywhere.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Wow, So how do people hear it? They gotta find
you on case on.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Tuesday, see you next Tuesday. That's like my whole thing,
my whole like my whope branding is see you next Tuesday.
So but it's just the letters and instead of C,
it's it's see. It's the letter C. So it's see
you n T.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
That's I don't want to get into that here. I
don't want to get here.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
We go.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I have an edge and honestly That's where I sometimes
feel like you really know that this is we are
going to tie this together sometimes while and it's a
little bit like, yeah, we get it, dude, you have
an edge too. You have an edge, Ginger a poet,
You have an edge, Ginger a poet, and will she
smell alone? And whatever?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
But you know, but would you put this song on
the Greatest Hit of Stone Tumble Pilots.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, greatest hits is what tend to try, like album length,
all the hop, all the top hop, all the top singles.
I mean, I don't know this song happened after my
time with them, but I will say if you're telling me,
it was like in nineteen ninety nine, let's situate this
in the teeth of eminem boy bands, Britney Spears and
(32:27):
fucking like Heavy Olympus Get Corn. Yes, they were still
having like trol level success with a song like that.
That is the last thing I remember thinking about them
that was like, oh, that's notable. They stayed big when
that stuff was happening. They had like a really heavy
song that was like a big single at that time,
(32:48):
maybe in the early two thousands it's called But I
remember being like it was like the heaviest music they'd made.
It maybe like really almost like the Deftones or something
like really thick. I remember being like, welp, shout out
to STP right in that wave. So I don't know.
I think ultimately where I've landed is like overall, I
(33:10):
don't know that. I love that they're an albums band
for me, but they are singles band for sure. And
this song more chance than Anti Chance.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I like it more than Velvet Revolver, No.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Dowdy hoopoo Change, no Doubty much.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Of a Revolver is interesting because it's like it's like
scott was like, what if I got rid of this
band that's holding me back?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, And the rest of Guns and Roses was like,
what if we got rid of this psycho that actually yeah, Like.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
No, I think it's kind of it not to say
it's an upgrade, but like at the time, it's an
upgrade for them, but I think it's kind of a
downgrade for Scottie.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I think so. And I think it's also he got
to lean far out into his stones cosplay in that
he was like, now I'm like a rocker, you know
what I mean? Whereas STP there's like art pretensions here
and there. There definitely are in guns and roses too,
but not in Velvet Revolver. It comes the w It's
(34:04):
funny also to think and then we should fucking wrap
this gavel up be But it's funny to think about
how that was the same period of time. I think
we're like Rage against the Machine and Soundgarden did that too,
where it was like, you know, Zach doesn't really want
to do this anymore. Chris Cornell was like, well, Soundgarden
doesn't really want to do this anymore. Why don't we
just you know, like we'll do it. I'll be the
(34:25):
singer and Rage against the Machine plus me.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah, that's funny. I didn't think about that. Those are
two like of that example of it's it's the van Hagar.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
It's totally van Hagar. But if Van Hagar then called
themselves like you know, the Glove or something.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, sports Mafia.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I don't, well, guys, at the end of the day,
you know we're saying stp better than you remember, uh,
and like so like make sure you find case give
them a fucking squeeze on.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
It too, a little bad hat, a little back massage,
maybe some bad bunch. Well, I might just punch your back,
so be careful because I'm a roll C. Next Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I think that's good bye, Bud.
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