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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
gonna go over the latest updates with the Idaho murders
and Brian Coberger. More documents and bodycam footage have been released,
which has really amped up the internet and conspiracy theories.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
We have a really disturbing story of a woman who
allegedly found a fingertip in her food.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
A story has.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Come out about parents who have been arrested after their
eleven year old child gave birth to a full term
baby at home. Then we'll talk about a toxic item
that could be in your bedroom and a funeral home
storing decomposing bodies. All that moral Todday's episode, Let's get
the latest with Brian Coberger.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
So Coburger is asking to switch cellbox after claiming he's
being sexually harassed by other inmates, and he's filed a
complaint and he's just complaining about everything. I just don't
understand what he expects. He's in jail.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
His complaint looks like it's serial killer writing. By the way,
just like I can't believe an adult male who's educated
writes like that it's really weird to me, but yeah,
his complaints are they're hilarious. Actually, like to sit back
and just read them. The family must be getting some
satisfaction out of this, for sure. Just listening to him
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complain about not getting all of the food that he
ordered on his plate and or on his tray and
then requesting it, and then the kitchen just ignoring his requests.
I think is it's kind of funny and it's not
considered abuse or neglect of a prison or by any way.
(02:01):
I just I don't This guy's like completely out of
his mind. He thinks that he's at on like a
cruise or something, and the concierge is not giving him
his request. It's just really it's just so bizarre the
entitlement this dude has an and like, oh, I like
he he almost talks like he's like the star prisoner
(02:24):
there and he should get preferential treatment or something. It's
really bizarre, like, oh, you know who I am, right,
Like you need to move me to a new block
because this one is just it's not working for me.
They're saying things through the events at me, telling saying
they want to butt f me and eat my ass, right,
like he.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Did write that in complaint.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, and it's just like, like, of course, because we
were saying in the last episode Prisoners, Okay, they made
a shot someone in a gang related situation, right over
a drug deal or whatever. But you cross the line
when you broke into someone's house and you stabbed for
innocent college students, right. And they watched the news too.
(03:09):
They all have access to everything and hear all this stuff,
and they're tantalizing him on purpose. They're on purpose, and
it's it's amazing to kind of sit back and watch.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Obviously, inmates are humans and have human rights, but I
just don't care when it comes to this person. He
murdered for innocent people. I don't understand what he expects.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
He's in a prison right now.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I don't care that they're chaunting him through the events
and telling him they're gonna butt fuck him. I don't care.
Like those are words, by the way, from his complaint.
The Gonzalveses weren't lying when they said he was gonna
be getting Big d's in prison. Clearly he's a target.
He's so weird in and of itself, and he's part
of this sensationalized crime. All the other prisoners are hip
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to him. They're probably enjoying every second of torturing him.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
He has been there for a couple of weeks, Like,
how how is a person on this level going to last?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I mean, he isn't he younger than you? I think
he's rater.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I think he's exactly my age giver.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Take a couple of months.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So okay, so he might live like another fifty years. Really, like,
how is he going.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
To deal with this?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Possibly, on that note, let's skip ahead to this story
of this professor, so because I want to jump off
of that point you just said. But in Washington State,
these two guys had become really good friends at a
local bar and they were going there. This one guy's
wife was the bartender there, and the other guy going
and hanging out there was a profess, a professor Washington
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State University. So they had been, you know, talking as
people do in the bar, just sitting there drinking and
going back to twenty twenty two, this guy that was
a professor was complaining about his teachers as a teaching assistant,
saying this guy was an asshole and he really annoyed
the shit out of him, and then it turned out
to be Brian Coberger. And after this guy who was
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his friend at the bar ended up writing this article,
he said that this professor doesn't think Brian Coberger is
going to last his natural life in prison because he
considered him.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
To be a whim.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
He didn't ever think he was dangerous per se, but
he just thought he was an annoying person and a jerk,
and he was just a wimpy person. Well, it's interesting
all of the because now in hindsight, everybody that worked
with him and knew him are thinking or coming out
and saying because everyone was interviewed obviously, so people in
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the department he was working on and teaching at, and
some people had some interesting complaints about him, one of
which was someone that worked with him in the school
had said that we shouldn't be giving this guy a
degree and teaching him all of this and almost kind
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of like, I guarantee he's going to end up being
some kind of a serial killer one day, a person
that analyzes people with those personality traits for a living.
So which is interesting to me because the woman that
was his teacher that is supposed to be analyzing serial
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killers all the time, she's able to interview them and
all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
She didn't pick up on any of that. Interesting, right, isn't.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
She not speaking about it? So do we know that
for a.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Fact or not? Well, no, we don't know that for
a fact.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
But I mean she didn't say nothing about it, right,
Like I guess you can't say nothing until somebody does something.
But it's it's an interesting thought to think about people
who are psychological profile profilers and deal with serial killers
for a living because they talk to other regular people
in society all the time, and like what gets triggered
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in their heads that oh my god, this person has
like sociopathic tendencies or something like that. But you can't
say anything because because you know they didn't do anything.
You can't just accuse somebody of something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Even if you do say something, what are you gonna
do about it? Think about when we've talked about stalking
cases in the past, and people are like, I know
this person is stalking me. They keep showing up and
then the police are like, well, what.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Do you want us to do?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
They didn't hurt you, and they didn't threaten to hurt you.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, but it's.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Eerie when you go somewhere and somebody's always there and
you know that they're following you. Also, to your point,
another female student had emailed her friend during that time
period and said, my classes, Ta looks like a murderer.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, I know, I saw that one, because like, you
can relate to that so much because you're like, how
many times have you texted one of your friends and
been like, Yo, this dude is so creepy whatever, and
and and like that that chick picked up on it
like that, right, Yeah, And it's just really it's just
really interesting. And that's what I was wondering, like, is
(08:02):
more and more documents come out. Do you think at
any point that these these kids are going to school
at Washington not kids, just young adults are going to school,
you know, at the Washington State University, which was within
an hour of where these Idaho murders occurred, and they're
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in a criminal justice program, so they probably talked about
this like every day.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, of course they did.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Okay, So do you think at any point that any
of these people put like two and two together to
think like that that guy had anything to do with
it because of how weird he was and how people
were picking up a vibe on him.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Well, listen, I'm sure that a couple of people. I mean,
we have evidence saying that during this time, before he
even committed to crimes, that people thought he was creepy
right and doing these things. But it's one of those
things where I think somebody might vocalize it and be like,
do you think it could be this person? And they're like,
there's no way, you're crazy. It could be anybody, and
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then it gets downplayed and it does end up being
that person.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I guess what's the most interesting about this particular case
is that he didn't get caught for quite a while,
at least over one month, and during that time he
was he went back to his teaching job and was
having a lot of interaction with people and presumably talking
about this specific case with coworkers and with the students
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he was helping teach, and that there's probably so much
information there in the interviews of like what was he
saying during this time, Like what were his theories, what
were It's just such an unusual, an unusual case and circumstance,
and just I imagine everyone that works in that department is
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now question everything. I mean, you work with number one,
you're majoring in that, but number two, you're working directly
with or being taught by a person that is of
this caliber of a killer, and you didn't really know
it the whole time.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
It's just it must make you question everyone around you
and everything that you've learned.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Well, think back to our interview with Amy Laughran too.
I mean, she finds out she's working with this mass
serial killer and somebody she considered to be a friend,
and how deeply it affected her life.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
She's gonna come on soon.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I just talked to her. Yeah, I'm excited for her
to come on the show again. But yeah, I mean
she did. She did make mention of that because she
was friends with this person, and you just don't. I mean,
I feel like her situation's almost a little bit different
because she was friends with this person. But this person
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was friends with other people too, and other people thought he.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Was a nice guy.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Like nobody's saying that about Brian Coberger, Like everybody thinks.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
That wanted to send him to No except that Chissy.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Grace is off the hook with the with the conversation
about Brian Coburger. It's so funny. She says like, oh,
he's gonna call mommy, and then she does this like
weird noise with like him crying.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Like, well, did you see she was calling the influencer
son that drowned top boy. Oh no, like top mom
was different.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I mean we talked about that case a little bit
last week too, and I mean it pisses me off
for sure. It's just like not I guess I'm just
like not as mad on the same level as the
as the situation with the Emmanuel Harro.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Kid obviously, because that's just completely unacceptable. You know, like
there there are like negligence and accident. I'm not saying
this is acceptable. Negligence and accidents are easier to understand
than somebody willingly beating their child to almost the point
where they're dead. But going back to this professor, so,
like everybody else, he found out when Brian Kober was
(12:08):
Brian Coober was arrested and was deeply disturbed by it, obviously,
and they were looking in his office and at the
time from the police, he learned that Coberger had a
list of women's names of unknown purpose, and one of
them was another woman that this guy knew from the department,
So like, what is that list? That's the first I've
heard of that.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Well, I know that he had weird phone numbers in
his phone. I don't know exactly what they were, but
for example, it would be like girl with long hair
in the park and there was like all these there
was like nobody had like an actual name. It was
just like these weird like nicknames and encounters of people
that he were he was writing notes on and getting
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numbers or something like it.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Just remember he told that girl she had good birthing hips.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah, like what a weird thing to say.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Somebody actually said that to me once, that you had
good birthing hyps. Yes, it was a doctor I used
to work and we were like, oh, that's weird.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Listen, that's extremely weird. But at least that's like a
guy that's a doctor. I'm not saying it's less creepy,
but he's a doctor and studies anatomy and stuff, not
this like total weirdess.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
That's teaching assistant.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Another interesting thing this writer put about his friend who
is the professor, was that when the professor's wife was
waiting for him in the car, once she saw coburger
following him, and recoiled nearly to the other side, a
reaction he'd never seen from her in many, many years
of marriage.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah, that is really interesting.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I mean, look at that guy, he is so creaty.
We're not the only people saying he's creepy, obviously.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, I mean that that's something from day one. You
know what else is interesting that came out today, So
apparently they've been interviewing the people that have done the
forensic analysis on his phone data, and when they released
to the press that they have a person of interest
based on this white Conde Alantra, he has like a
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series of Google searches that indicate that he was in
a panic, for example, like trying to disguise his car.
I feel like at some point he bought like a
bra for his car, you know what I mean, or
one of those like leather things that go on the front.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Well, that's what I was saying on the YouTube, that
he went to try to change the registration and that
woman at the office was charmed by him. And that's
the only person I've ever heard at a positive interaction
with him.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
But he there was evidence of him doing searches of
like being a paranoid sociopath. He thought he was being
paranoid at first, and then there was even searches of
him potentially looking for a new car.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
This is what's bizarre to me, Like, if.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
He stabbed them, he knew that, he knew that when
he left the scene he didn't have this nice sheef.
He had to have some level of worry throughout that
time of what happened to it. Although a small part
of me thinks that he purposely left it there because
he wanted people to know that he did it, Well,
do you think he's also just there some twist to
(15:11):
the story that I've been saying from day one that
we don't know one hundred percent yet.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Do you think because he was seemingly so cocky with
the murders that he thought he cleaned it enough that
even if he left it behind, it would be an
fu because they wouldn't be able to take anything off
of it. But then they were able to I.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Don't know, because I think about this all the time
because if they'd ever found the knife sheaf, there's always
this question, if they didn't find the knife sheaf, would
they ever have been able to connect this to him?
And honestly, I can't say that with certainty that they
would be able to. And because of that, it makes
me think that he was so careful with everything else
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that that was almost there had to be some level
of intention there because of he really cleaned his tracks otherwise.
I mean, I know that there's a lot of stupid things,
like all of these phone searches and stuff, but like
they never would have got to any of that if
they didn't know who he was.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Well, he might have eventually landed on a list if
all these other people are saying he's creepy, especially if
he was going to class talking about it, somebody might
have suggested his name, but they might not care.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah, Like this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Like even if they were like, Okay, he goes to
the school and we think it's him, they can't They
can't like really search his phone and all this stuff
without having They can't just do it because they think
he's being weird, Like they need an actual proof or
cause to do it.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
So how would they have had that? I don't know,
really have.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Other stuff though I don't know about yet, because like
they keep just releasing the documents in different bad gass.
It just doesn't seem like they're coming out with any
new evidence, which is whatever. But yes, it's just it's
all just like a really interesting case. But the body
cam footage that was released too, we haven't talked about
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on this show, and we talked about it on YouTube
last week. But that's another interesting thing because now I'm
seeing on X especially that a lot of people are
now rehashing that the survivors are like somehow involved, and
there's actually this whole hashtag called idaho instead of idaho
(17:29):
like people freak Brian Coberger like people insisting that he
either wasn't the only one involved or that he wasn't
involved at all. Listen, I understand everybody wants to think
really deeply and peel back all the layers and everything,
but is anybody ever been or all these people making
these accusations, have they ever been in even kind of
(17:49):
a similar situation? Have they ever been in shock at
any point? Everybody's criticizing them for asking if they could
go home for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
They're kids, they're.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Young adults, and they've just gone through something extremely traumatic.
They admitted that they were intoxicated at the.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Time it went down.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
What do you expect, I don't think it's like that
crazy that they asked that their their kids.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
They're like living on their own for the first time ever. Yeah,
that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
A lot of people look at the videos and think
with all the knowledge that we know now, But even
if it's one of the roommate's you know, if you've
ever been drunk, it's just like, which I haven't been
in a long time, but I remember when I was
when I was younger, and I remember just situations of
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my friends coming over and like we would like we
would like drink and and like watch Jerry Springer or something,
and it's just like one time I remember sitting on
the couch with one of my friends and we're watching
this episode and like the person comes out from behind
the stage and they're wearing a costume that's a cow,
and they're like pouring milk on each other as like
(18:59):
a weird sac right, And you're drunk on the couch
and you're like, is this really happening right now? Like
it's so outrageous there's a cow like pouring milk over
someone and stuff like that. It's the same kind of
thing like when you're drunk, you're like you're not all there,
and you just don't you're not really connected with reality.
The whole point of drinking is to disconnect from reality, right,
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So like you're just not you're not thinking with your
normal brain of a person that's just watching a video
on Twitter, like you're thinking, like in relaxed is this
really happening kind of brain And it's just an overstimulation
of everything for them.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Well that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I mean, I think people are just trying to make
it deeper than it really is.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
But I mean, I definitely think that there's things to
look at from the video that can be analyzed, just
as far as like a lot of different things like
the friend that was there, Like everybody's just gonna question everything.
The guy that was there, like you know, they were
walking into the house, and the guy the friend that
was there is like has his hands up and like
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like obviously he like it's probably due to the fact
that he just saw his friends dead, and he's just
like oh my god, like like I'm gonna put my
hands up and back up out of the way. So
these guys could go in there. But like even the
cops like walking in and not having gloves on but
at the same time, the cops got a call that
it was for an unconscious person, not not for dead
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murdered people.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
So if they.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Were if if first responders were just going in the
house to attend to an unconscious person, then of course
they might not be ready to address it as a
crime scene. Like, I don't there's but like we're not them,
We're just like civilians, and it's just hard to like
look at the videos and judge what they how they
handled it.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I just think there's also just, you know, a component
of them just being naive and not being will willing
to mentally accept that that these people in front of
them are dead. Yeah, I think we're facing like kind
of a problem with these internet salutes where they want
to like take down everybody associated.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
And it doesn't have to be that deep.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
They're just young and naive to life and we're in shock.
I don't think it's it goes beyond that.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Seriously, it's just curious.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I'm curious because I guess in theory, the Idaho Police
Department in Moscow, I don't know that they really had
to release all of this information as publicly as they did.
I know it's public record, but like just being like
we talked about this before with the pictures and everything,
like just being able to easily access it.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
I almost feel like they're.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Inviting all this scrutiny that doesn't necessarily like it. Like
as far as the case goes, it's done, Like it's done.
He's in jail, and it's case closed. Like why are
you opening this up like this for people to just
like overanalyze every step you did, because it's not just
going to be the lay person on Twitter or or whatever.
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It's also going to be like professionals that do this
for a living, and like, I don't know, you're just
kind of like putting yourself out there for well.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I was surprised they released it because as of last week,
we were reporting that the families were suing over the
release of the crime scene photos. So I don't understand
why they.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Didn't release the more crime scene photos.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
That's yeah, but the bodycam footage was wrapped up in
that as well, So like that's I was shocked when
it came out because it was the day they were
set to gag.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I mean, I think it was just specific things they
didn't want released because apparently there's more graphic photos maybe
that they don't want released.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
But all right, let's get onto this, this really important
story of a person who found a fingertip in their food.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
All right, So, a woman is suing a New York
City restaurant after claiming she'd bit into a chicken wrap
that had a human fingertip in it. Yes, the nail
was included, but she didn't swallow it, so she said,
after spitting it out, she went to a medical clinic
brought it with her. She was really hoping they would
tell her that's not what it was, but it ended
up being the finger. She required some treatment for it,
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and now she just doesn't think what happened to her
is right obviously. Yeah, And the story gets weird though,
because I guess she had the finger tested somewhere and
they told her that the finger was female and that's it.
So I'm assuming that they did they were able to
get some tissue off it to do a karyotype, which
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is just maybe a little bit of an easier genetic
test to do just to say if it was male
or female. I'm not exactly sure what they did. That's
just what I'm assuming because a DNA test would would
be more expensive and require more resources and take a
longer time. So she knows that she has this fingertip
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that's a female, and the guy that owns the restaurant
is just like, oh, well, I'm because I never have
women working to prep the food, which is weird. Actually,
well it's weird, but it also doesn't mean like to me,
I'm like, it could have gotten there a million ways.
It could have been like let's say they had bag bloodness.
They could have been in the bag of let you
know what I mean, Like it didn't in my opinion,
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it didn't have to come exactly from the restaurant. But
it doesn't mean that I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So he so he's just like, well, we're I'm safe
because I never have a female on on the line
doing this. And he made a statement like she must
have got the finger off the street or something. I
don't know, it's not from here, like like a finger, Oh,
she just got it off the street whatever, found a
fingertip on the New York City sidewalk, And yeah, I
(24:46):
mean that might not be unusual, honestly, but but seriously,
like she where the hell she has all her fingertips?
Where is she going to get a woman's fingertip. To
your point, Maria, if you if you get food from
a distributor, which is completely possible that they do in restaurants,
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it is possible that the fingertip couldn't come from somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
But it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
It looks it doesn't look like it's that old, because
if it was cut off and it was sitting out there,
it's gonna be like any other meat and decomposed and stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
It looks like how long does it have or we
talk in hours or days?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Well, it depends because let's say, for example, someone's in
a plant and they're they're cutting lettuce or something and
their fingertip gets cut off or whatever, and that the
lettuce goes into a bag and then the bag is
put immediately into refrigeration and then it put and then
it's transported cold, and it put put into a refrigerator
at the restaurant. Then it would be fine for a
while if if it's not at room temperature. And it's
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funny because Lucia was just showing me these videos of
all these accidents that happened on Hell's kitchen. She came
across and one of them was a couple of them
the chef's cut the fingertips off and the one time
they weren't able to find the fingertip in one of
the stories. So I thought that that was interesting because
I'm like, this definitely happens. But and that was my
(26:12):
first thought too when the guy was trying to say
it didn't happen at his place, I'm just kind of like,
I don't really know where she got this test to
say it's a female or not. But like, even so,
if she, if this is true, like she really should
put out the extra money and get DNA testing on
the thing and like figure this out.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Because well to that point, he said she was refusing
to have DNA testing though, which is why he thinks
she brought it in from somewhere else. But then just
the argument is, like where is she just getting a fingertip?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Well, I have a story actually that I'm going to
be posting on Instagram and the gross Room soon about
a woman who's she's a grocery member. Actually she sent
us an email and said that her dad had cut
his fingers off with a saul or something and he
went to the hospital and then and she's like, do
you want to see the picture of his fingers when
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he came home from the hospital and he found them,
and it's just like this piece of wood with two
fingertips on it. It's just like that's what I think about.
But it's just like I guess technically that person could
be like, oh, I found this in my food, and like,
where do you get a fingertip? It's just the weirdest
it's the weirdest thing. Ever, maybe she doesn't want to
(27:23):
get DNA testing because like, like you would have to
pay for that out of pocket.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I suppose.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I mean, I don't know, Like I feel like you
should be able to call the police and be like,
I found a human body part in my food, so
like investigate this, Yeah, exactly. So I don't know why
that's not getting done, But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
This episode is brought to you by the gross Room.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
This week, in the Grosser Room, we have our YouTube
live coming up on Friday where we talk about stuff
we don't talk about on mother Nos Deaths, So make
sure you check that out. And Maria did an article
this week. You want to tell him a little bit
about that.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, So this skull was found in the woods and
they didn't know who it belonged to for a couple
of well, I say a couple of years, but I
really mede a couple of decades. So eventually the case
was brought to a nonprofit who did DNA on the
skull and linked it to this family in Sweden. Originally
they thought that the skull belonged to a woman of
(28:28):
Asian or Native American descent, but they were way off.
It was of Swedish descent. They traced the skull back
to her family who had immigrated here in the late
eighteen hundreds, and found out that it was from a
woman who had died in a hospital. So if you
want to read the rest of that story, you're going
to have to head over there and check that out,
because it's really unbelievable how they got there and what
(28:49):
they found out about how she died.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah it is. So it's such a crazy story, but.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
It's called Jane Doe in the Woods with a death certificate.
So you could head over to the Grosser Room now
to read that along with thousands of other articles and
see all the fun stuff we have to talk about
in there.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
All Right, this next case, I feel like the abuse
stories have been just like extra the past couple of weeks.
This case involves girls that are my kid's age. So
I have a ten year old and a twelve year
old and this little girl is right in between at
eleven years old, and she was pregnant and nobody knew it.
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The kid didn't know it, obviously because she's eleven years old,
probably had no idea what was going on with herself,
but the parents claim they didn't know, and she gives
birth to.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
A term baby.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I think this is one of the most disturbing cases
we have covered in here. And of course it's like,
we find out this eleven year old child has delivered
a baby in her home. Of course they didn't bring
her to the hospital or anything. And that's more obvious
when it turns out that they do DNA and the
baby is her stepfather's child.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah, which is dumb. We knew that was going to happen.
I guess.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I guess initially she had given birth and they had
to wait a couple of days to get the DNA results.
So I mean, God, the poor trauma that this this girl,
a little girl, is going through and will go through
the rest of her life for this because now I
don't even under I don't even know how they're going
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to handle it. So both of the parents are arrested.
She's going to be put into protective services because she's
a child, does she but she has a baby that's
her baby, So I don't even know if they keep
them together. I mean, I would hope that they would,
just because like, she doesn't need I mean, you could
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argue either way, having the baby's trauma, taking the baby
away as trauma. She didn't choose any of this. This
is just not this is not fair for her.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
No, and the mom's been arrested because they're saying that,
you know, she was charged with enabling the abuse. So
of course, when I think of this case, I think
of the Menenda's brothers. They're claiming that, you know, their
fathers sectually assaulted them and their mother knew about it
and didn't do anything to stop it, and that was
their argument of why they killed.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
The mother as well.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
So it really is disturbing to me when you know
sexual abuse is happening in a family in general, but
then when the other parent knows about it and it's
just like letting it go on and to the point
where this girl has now gone through something even more
traumatic than being sexually abused in general. Now she has
a child. She may or may not have the child,
She may not want the child. Are they going to
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try to raise Were they going to just try to
play it off like it was a sibling?
Speaker 3 (31:44):
How did they think.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
They said they didn't know that she was pregnant? Now
they could, Okay, well, listen if the mother, people are
really checked out sometimes, right, So it's totally possible that
the mom didn't know this was happening and she didn't
know her daughter was pregnant. She's the worst mom ever,
by the way, Like I don't understand how you don't
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you can't tell that something's going on with your little
child like that.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Okay, well, but.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Talk about the other stuff going on in the house,
because it's not that.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Exactly like she's she's checked out for sure.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
There was five other kids in the home, two, four, six, seven,
and nine years old. They have now been removed, thank god.
But the investigators were saying they were living in deplorable
conditions with dog feces everywhere. None of them were wearing clothing.
I looked at the house that didn't look very big
and thinking about all those people living in that house.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, so, I mean there's just some level of like
I don't know what was going on with them, if
there was like drugs or alcohol involved, or there was
just some level of mental illness, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
But the mom.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Is equally should be in trouble as well because the child,
I mean, this is abuse in itself. Like the child
wasn't even being taken to the doctor for like checkups
and and here it's like, oh, the kid was pregnant
the whole time and and and not getting prenatal care.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
And just like, let's.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Say they did know about it, why would they bring
her to the doctor for checkups and why would they
bring her to the hospital to deliver the baby?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
And it's quite possible that they did know and they
just and like think about this like so so for
an eleven year old, it's called an adolescent pregnancy. For
an eleven year old child's body to get pregnant, it's
like some kids get have precocious puberty and get their
period and eight years old, nine years old early, but
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they're pelvis is still not ready to accommodate a pregnancy. Sometimes,
so lots of different things can happen during these pregnancies
of a super young child like this, including like not
going to term. There's just a higher risk of term,
which is very unusual. That she did go all the
way to term. There's a high risk of miscarriage, fetal death,
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maternal death. I mean, like God, it's actually mind blowing
that eleven year old was able to give birth at
home and not have the feet is stuck in her
pelvis because that would have required an emergency c section,
which wasn't getting done at the house. Like it's it's
(34:29):
just kind of a miracle that she survived this, honestly, and.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
God knows how the birth went down.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I mean, did they even say if that baby had survived. No,
they didn't anything about that kid.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
But I mean they said that she gave birth, and
they I feel like they would have mentioned if the
baby didn't survive. So I mean, it's just and listen, like,
people could give birth at home all the time and
it's fine, but like in this situation, it's just having
gone through it so many times, it's just like terrible
to think of a kid, my kid's age going through that.
(35:03):
It's just my kids are playing like the sims right now.
They don't even have any idea of what that would
be to their body. It's just it just pisses me
off so bad that this could even happen. So I'm
glad they're in jail. Of course, another this is another
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thing that bond for one hundred thousand dollars each one
hundred thousand dollars, one hundred thousand dollars, So if for
some reason they can get money, they can get out
of that and they're allowed to leave. And it says
that they might be able to go to prison for
life for this, but like, if you are that high
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up on the list of going to prison for life,
why would they let you out until you go to trial.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Well exactly because clearly somebody like this that gets out
is just going to repeat their actions. It's not like,
oh I just got arrested, I'm gonna stop being a
child molestor so, like, why are we.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Even allowing this?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
It's just like you you I don't know, It's just
like multiple cases we've been talking about, like you've you've
done something to this child for the rest of her life,
Like you don't deserve to be out and free until
you have a jury and everything, especially when they have
the DNA results. There's it doesn't matter if this needs
(36:26):
to go to court and find him he's guilty, he's guilty.
It's just there's nobody needs to bait it. The kid's
a child and has DNA in her body. That made
a child. That is from a grown up. It's not
from another eleven year old kid that they were messing around.
Then it just happened by accident. It's from a grown
up that shouldn't be having sex with an eleven year
(36:48):
old period.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Well yeah, like all right.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Next, a woman went on TikTok to explain that she
was trying to spot clean her mattress, but when she
unzipped it, all this fiberglass was released in the air
caused her to wear ppe at home.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
So I bought.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Lily in a couple of years ago a new mattress
for her bed, one of these like ones on Amazon
that are only like three or four hundred dollars, And
I always read the reviews just to see what people
say about them, and I was shocked underneath of so
many of the different reviews for mattresses like this, people
were posting about don't take the cover off. So when
(37:26):
you get the mattress, it has this cover that's already
on it, but it has a zipper, which maybe they
should just not even have a zipper on it because
that might indicate to people that it could come off. Yeah,
because especially being a woman or even a teen girl,
like you get your period and you get blood on
the mattress, like it happens to everyone. Right, So you think, Okay,
(37:47):
I want to take this off and wash it, because
it looks like it's almost made of like a like
a sweatshirt material or something like. It looks like it
could come off and wash and then you could put
it back on. And all of these people are doing
that for that very reason, and they unzip it and
all of a sudden, you have like a hazmat situation
in your house, in your bedroom.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
So this lady was saying that basically after it happened,
she had to throw all this stuff in her bedroom,
including clothing, the mattress, and she now she had to
put up tarps and other areas of her home so
it didn't spread out. And it's just a major inconvenience.
I agree with you, Why even let it be removed
if it's going to be such a problem because I
would assume if you could take it off yourself, it
would be safe. And I didn't know that fiberglass was
(38:30):
in mattresses at all.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah, I was shocked too, But when I was reading,
like I mean, people were saying that they had to
hire companies to come to their house, and overall the
thing has a good rating. And I bought it just
with the assumption that I wasn't going to take the
cover off, but like they didn't really emphasize that in
the packaging when I bought it.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
I just so happened to read it.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
And you know, the fiberglass particles, if you breathe them in,
they could scar your lungs and give you something called
pulmonary fibrosis, which is just like a chronic scarring of
the inside of your lungs from breathing in inorganic materials
like that. And these particles are so fine that they
could like this is why she's saying she had to
(39:15):
throw out so many things because they could land on furniture,
on betting pillows, but they also could go into the
ventilation system throughout your house and just spread around and
breathing that shit in for an extended period of time
can cause permanent lung damage.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I'm surprised they even allow it to be in there,
considering how dangerous it could be.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Well, it's in your house, it's every I mean, they're
dangerous things everywhere, and it's totally fine if it's contained.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, but so is asbesis at one point, and now
that's not supposed to be in houses anymore.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Well, the thing is is that there's certain things that
are just considered to be safe as long as they're not.
I mean, it's against she did something that's considered to
be against the label. Although I'm just I'm just making
the mention of like, I don't know that they're that
maybe they should put like a giant sticker on it
(40:10):
that says they just shouldn't even put a zipper on it,
cause then if somebody had to physically cut it open,
then they might be like, maybe this shouldn't come off.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Well, of course, that's why I'm saying, like, you think
if you could remove it and throw it in the wash, like,
no big deal. You don't think you're going to release
all these like toxins in the error.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
I also think that there's a possibility that it is
wrapped in something else, Like you have to get through
a couple layers to actually like release it. I don't
think just like unzipping it makes it come out. But
we you know, I don't, we don't know what I
don't know. Yeah, but I definitely did read that in
(40:47):
the reviews that people were having an issue with that.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
All right, let's move on to our last story. So,
in the last year or two, a law was passed
in Colorado to crack down on funeral homes, mortuaries, et cetera,
to make sure they were operating legal. So inspectors go
to do their first inspection at the Davis Mortuary in
Pueblow and immediately upon going in notice a strong smell
of decomp Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
So, I guess this is why they put this They
put this lall in place for this very reason, because
they're going to be doing these inspections annually. Wait, wasn't
wasn't like a similar case that happened.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Well, there was that Return to Nature case where the
hundreds of bodies that was also in Colorado's exactly. So
I bet all was the direct result of that. Yeah,
I bet you one hundred percent it is so.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
So then now they're like, all right, we're going to
do this annually, because obviously if they were coming every
single year to this particular place, they wouldn't have found
twenty bodies that were in various stages of decomposition, including
some that they said looked like they had been there
(41:57):
for fifteen years, which means that they were skeletonized, right, Like,
did you also how many funeral homes is this going
on in America? Like, I feel like we've talked in
a short time other nots that's been a podcast. We've
talked about this quite often.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Well, just in the last couple of weeks, we've had
like five stories about it between here and the gross room.
It's happening so frequently. Did you also happen to notice
that this man that owned the funeral home was a coroner,
which is an elected position by the way, so he's
a trusted person in this community, and his brother ran
it with him as well, And people were saying they
(42:39):
had seen both brothers in and out of there, so
they're fully both aware of the operations going on. What
are you thinking holding these bodies in the side room. Also,
they admitted to not giving family members their actual loved
ones remains.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Well, it's all it's in every case. It's it's quite
similar that it's all about money. It's just like, we
have this dead body here, the family's going to give
us eight thousand dollars to cremate them. They're never going
to know if they actually got cremated, or if we
give them a bag of cat litter and we pocket
the money, right, I mean, that's like eight thousand dollars. No,
(43:18):
it's so morally wrong. It's so morally wrong.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
But how much does it really cost to burn the body?
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Because like what act doing with it? Well, it costs.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
It certainly cost because the crematory has a fee, and
it's probably I don't even know what the going rate
is right now. But let's say, for example, they charge
a family, a funeral home charges a family eight thousand dollars.
The crematory might charge four thousand dollars, and then the
funeral home upcharges or whatever. Like I don't really know
(43:48):
how it works. I don't work in that field, but
so I'm just assuming this. So the funeral home has
to put money out too, They just they up charge
to get to make money off of it. So why
like why make four thousand dollars when you can make
eight thousand dollars like and then times that by twenty bodies,
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all of a sudden you have like enough money to
pay off a debt or to like get you out
of a jam. It's it's messed up. But it's like
every single case of this is kind of the same thing.
They're holding bodies and taking money from the customers for cremation.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Don't they just love that too?
Speaker 2 (44:29):
When they went in there, the they told the investigators like, oh,
don't go in that door that was behind some cardboard
display and they were like, yeah, we're going in that door,
Like what are you even terrible in here?
Speaker 1 (44:40):
And also like the smell of human decomposition is just
so foul it, I mean, how how do you even
want to be surrounded by that? And how could you
just put like a human person that had a life
in the corner and just let them.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Rot like that?
Speaker 1 (44:58):
It's just so like you're such a disconnect and listen, like,
I've worked with dead people there. You have to have
a certain kind of disconnect to just be able to
do your job. But like that that's like weird to me.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Do you just think it's this like personality trait of
not I'm not saying everybody that works in the funeral business,
but of a lot of people that work in the
funeral business that they're already so detached from death that
they just don't see it as being a problem to
treat the people like shit.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
I don't think it's a lot. I don't think it's
a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
I think, like I just was saying, like everyone in
our field, whether it's funeral or pathology, whatever, you have
to have a certain level of like.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Disassociation with it because of.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Like right now, if you saw a dead body, you
would flip your shit.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Like yeah, like I couldn't handle.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
You couldn't handle it, Like right now, I could eat
a hamburger over a dead body, Like I don't have
any feelings like that. But at the same time, like
I'm not like that's somebody's parent or sister or brother
or something like I would never like leave just like
throw it in the corner and be like, yeah, I
can make eight thousand off this one. Like let me
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just let this rot here and I'll just tell the
family like this is, you know, the cat litter is
their creative remains it's just like there's a level for sure.
I don't think it's often though, but in these cases
for sure, Well.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
It's definitely not as rare as people want to hope
that it is.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
So I don't know, I.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Feel bad for everybody you know that ever had a
cremation done there, because again it's just a question of
like did you even get the remains of your loved one?
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Well, I guess it's scary too because it's now like
that's X amount of funeral homes we talked about just
this year that and it's just like there's all these
families that are getting phone calls that, oh, you know,
you thought that this was because you know, someone dies
twenty years ago, and it's like you still have a
memory of them, but it's over, it's done with, You're
moving on with life, and then you get a phone
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call like this and it just stirs up a lot
of emotions and like you want to think that that
your mother is in an urn at your house and
hear her dead skeleton is like in a corner on
top of other dead bodies rotting and it's still present
on this earth here. Like it's upsetting, you know.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
It's very it's very weird. All right, guys.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
gonna go over the latest updates with the Idaho murders
and Brian Coberger. More documents and bodycam footage have been released,
which has really amped up the internet and conspiracy theories.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
We have a really disturbing story of a woman who
allegedly found a fingertip in her food.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
A story has.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Come out about parents who have been arrested after their
eleven year old child gave birth to a full term
baby at home. Then we'll talk about a toxic item
that could be in your bedroom and a funeral home
storing decomposing bodies. All that moral Todday's episode, Let's get
the latest with Brian Coberger.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
So Coburger is asking to switch cellbox after claiming he's
being sexually harassed by other inmates, and he's filed a
complaint and he's just complaining about everything. I just don't
understand what he expects. He's in jail.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
His complaint looks like it's serial killer writing. By the way,
just like I can't believe an adult male who's educated
writes like that it's really weird to me, but yeah,
his complaints are they're hilarious. Actually, like to sit back
and just read them. The family must be getting some
satisfaction out of this, for sure. Just listening to him
(01:39):
complain about not getting all of the food that he
ordered on his plate and or on his tray and
then requesting it, and then the kitchen just ignoring his requests.
I think is it's kind of funny and it's not
considered abuse or neglect of a prison or by any way.
(02:01):
I just I don't This guy's like completely out of
his mind. He thinks that he's at on like a
cruise or something, and the concierge is not giving him
his request. It's just really it's just so bizarre the
entitlement this dude has an and like, oh, I like
he he almost talks like he's like the star prisoner
(02:24):
there and he should get preferential treatment or something. It's
really bizarre, like, oh, you know who I am, right,
Like you need to move me to a new block
because this one is just it's not working for me.
They're saying things through the events at me, telling saying
they want to butt f me and eat my ass, right,
like he.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Did write that in complaint.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, and it's just like, like, of course, because we
were saying in the last episode Prisoners, Okay, they made
a shot someone in a gang related situation, right over
a drug deal or whatever. But you cross the line
when you broke into someone's house and you stabbed for
innocent college students, right. And they watched the news too.
(03:09):
They all have access to everything and hear all this stuff,
and they're tantalizing him on purpose. They're on purpose, and
it's it's amazing to kind of sit back and watch.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Obviously, inmates are humans and have human rights, but I
just don't care when it comes to this person. He
murdered for innocent people. I don't understand what he expects.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
He's in a prison right now.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I don't care that they're chaunting him through the events
and telling him they're gonna butt fuck him. I don't care.
Like those are words, by the way, from his complaint.
The Gonzalveses weren't lying when they said he was gonna
be getting Big d's in prison. Clearly he's a target.
He's so weird in and of itself, and he's part
of this sensationalized crime. All the other prisoners are hip
(03:53):
to him. They're probably enjoying every second of torturing him.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
He has been there for a couple of weeks, Like,
how how is a person on this level going to last?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I mean, he isn't he younger than you? I think
he's rater.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I think he's exactly my age giver.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Take a couple of months.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So okay, so he might live like another fifty years. Really, like,
how is he going.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
To deal with this?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Possibly, on that note, let's skip ahead to this story
of this professor, so because I want to jump off
of that point you just said. But in Washington State,
these two guys had become really good friends at a
local bar and they were going there. This one guy's
wife was the bartender there, and the other guy going
and hanging out there was a profess, a professor Washington
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State University. So they had been, you know, talking as
people do in the bar, just sitting there drinking and
going back to twenty twenty two, this guy that was
a professor was complaining about his teachers as a teaching assistant,
saying this guy was an asshole and he really annoyed
the shit out of him, and then it turned out
to be Brian Coberger. And after this guy who was
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his friend at the bar ended up writing this article,
he said that this professor doesn't think Brian Coberger is
going to last his natural life in prison because he
considered him.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
To be a whim.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
He didn't ever think he was dangerous per se, but
he just thought he was an annoying person and a jerk,
and he was just a wimpy person. Well, it's interesting
all of the because now in hindsight, everybody that worked
with him and knew him are thinking or coming out
and saying because everyone was interviewed obviously, so people in
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the department he was working on and teaching at, and
some people had some interesting complaints about him, one of
which was someone that worked with him in the school
had said that we shouldn't be giving this guy a
degree and teaching him all of this and almost kind
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of like, I guarantee he's going to end up being
some kind of a serial killer one day, a person
that analyzes people with those personality traits for a living.
So which is interesting to me because the woman that
was his teacher that is supposed to be analyzing serial
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killers all the time, she's able to interview them and
all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
She didn't pick up on any of that. Interesting, right, isn't.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
She not speaking about it? So do we know that
for a.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Fact or not? Well, no, we don't know that for
a fact.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
But I mean she didn't say nothing about it, right,
Like I guess you can't say nothing until somebody does something.
But it's it's an interesting thought to think about people
who are psychological profile profilers and deal with serial killers
for a living because they talk to other regular people
in society all the time, and like what gets triggered
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in their heads that oh my god, this person has
like sociopathic tendencies or something like that. But you can't
say anything because because you know they didn't do anything.
You can't just accuse somebody of something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Even if you do say something, what are you gonna
do about it? Think about when we've talked about stalking
cases in the past, and people are like, I know
this person is stalking me. They keep showing up and
then the police are like, well, what.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Do you want us to do?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
They didn't hurt you, and they didn't threaten to hurt you.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, but it's.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Eerie when you go somewhere and somebody's always there and
you know that they're following you. Also, to your point,
another female student had emailed her friend during that time
period and said, my classes, Ta looks like a murderer.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, I know, I saw that one, because like, you
can relate to that so much because you're like, how
many times have you texted one of your friends and
been like, Yo, this dude is so creepy whatever, and
and and like that that chick picked up on it
like that, right, Yeah, And it's just really it's just
really interesting. And that's what I was wondering, like, is
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more and more documents come out. Do you think at
any point that these these kids are going to school
at Washington not kids, just young adults are going to school,
you know, at the Washington State University, which was within
an hour of where these Idaho murders occurred, and they're
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in a criminal justice program, so they probably talked about
this like every day.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, of course they did.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Okay, So do you think at any point that any
of these people put like two and two together to
think like that that guy had anything to do with
it because of how weird he was and how people
were picking up a vibe on him.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Well, listen, I'm sure that a couple of people. I mean,
we have evidence saying that during this time, before he
even committed to crimes, that people thought he was creepy
right and doing these things. But it's one of those
things where I think somebody might vocalize it and be like,
do you think it could be this person? And they're like,
there's no way, you're crazy. It could be anybody, and
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then it gets downplayed and it does end up being
that person.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I guess what's the most interesting about this particular case
is that he didn't get caught for quite a while,
at least over one month, and during that time he
was he went back to his teaching job and was
having a lot of interaction with people and presumably talking
about this specific case with coworkers and with the students
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he was helping teach, and that there's probably so much
information there in the interviews of like what was he
saying during this time, Like what were his theories, what
were It's just such an unusual, an unusual case and circumstance,
and just I imagine everyone that works in that department is
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now question everything. I mean, you work with number one,
you're majoring in that, but number two, you're working directly
with or being taught by a person that is of
this caliber of a killer, and you didn't really know
it the whole time.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
It's just it must make you question everyone around you
and everything that you've learned.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Well, think back to our interview with Amy Laughran too.
I mean, she finds out she's working with this mass
serial killer and somebody she considered to be a friend,
and how deeply it affected her life.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
She's gonna come on soon.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I just talked to her. Yeah, I'm excited for her
to come on the show again. But yeah, I mean
she did. She did make mention of that because she
was friends with this person, and you just don't. I mean,
I feel like her situation's almost a little bit different
because she was friends with this person. But this person
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was friends with other people too, and other people thought he.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Was a nice guy.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Like nobody's saying that about Brian Coberger, Like everybody thinks.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
That wanted to send him to No except that Chissy.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Grace is off the hook with the with the conversation
about Brian Coburger. It's so funny. She says like, oh,
he's gonna call mommy, and then she does this like
weird noise with like him crying.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Like, well, did you see she was calling the influencer
son that drowned top boy. Oh no, like top mom
was different.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I mean we talked about that case a little bit
last week too, and I mean it pisses me off
for sure. It's just like not I guess I'm just
like not as mad on the same level as the
as the situation with the Emmanuel Harro.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Kid obviously, because that's just completely unacceptable. You know, like
there there are like negligence and accident. I'm not saying
this is acceptable. Negligence and accidents are easier to understand
than somebody willingly beating their child to almost the point
where they're dead. But going back to this professor, so,
like everybody else, he found out when Brian Kober was
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Brian Coober was arrested and was deeply disturbed by it, obviously,
and they were looking in his office and at the
time from the police, he learned that Coberger had a
list of women's names of unknown purpose, and one of
them was another woman that this guy knew from the department,
So like, what is that list? That's the first I've
heard of that.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Well, I know that he had weird phone numbers in
his phone. I don't know exactly what they were, but
for example, it would be like girl with long hair
in the park and there was like all these there
was like nobody had like an actual name. It was
just like these weird like nicknames and encounters of people
that he were he was writing notes on and getting
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numbers or something like it.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Just remember he told that girl she had good birthing hips.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah, like what a weird thing to say.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Somebody actually said that to me once, that you had
good birthing hyps. Yes, it was a doctor I used
to work and we were like, oh, that's weird.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Listen, that's extremely weird. But at least that's like a
guy that's a doctor. I'm not saying it's less creepy,
but he's a doctor and studies anatomy and stuff, not
this like total weirdess.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
That's teaching assistant.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Another interesting thing this writer put about his friend who
is the professor, was that when the professor's wife was
waiting for him in the car, once she saw coburger
following him, and recoiled nearly to the other side, a
reaction he'd never seen from her in many, many years
of marriage.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah, that is really interesting.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I mean, look at that guy, he is so creaty.
We're not the only people saying he's creepy, obviously.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, I mean that that's something from day one. You
know what else is interesting that came out today, So
apparently they've been interviewing the people that have done the
forensic analysis on his phone data, and when they released
to the press that they have a person of interest
based on this white Conde Alantra, he has like a
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series of Google searches that indicate that he was in
a panic, for example, like trying to disguise his car.
I feel like at some point he bought like a
bra for his car, you know what I mean, or
one of those like leather things that go on the front.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Well, that's what I was saying on the YouTube, that
he went to try to change the registration and that
woman at the office was charmed by him. And that's
the only person I've ever heard at a positive interaction
with him.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
But he there was evidence of him doing searches of
like being a paranoid sociopath. He thought he was being
paranoid at first, and then there was even searches of
him potentially looking for a new car.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
This is what's bizarre to me, Like, if.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
He stabbed them, he knew that, he knew that when
he left the scene he didn't have this nice sheef.
He had to have some level of worry throughout that
time of what happened to it. Although a small part
of me thinks that he purposely left it there because
he wanted people to know that he did it, Well,
do you think he's also just there some twist to
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the story that I've been saying from day one that
we don't know one hundred percent yet.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Do you think because he was seemingly so cocky with
the murders that he thought he cleaned it enough that
even if he left it behind, it would be an
fu because they wouldn't be able to take anything off
of it. But then they were able to I.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Don't know, because I think about this all the time
because if they'd ever found the knife sheaf, there's always
this question, if they didn't find the knife sheaf, would
they ever have been able to connect this to him?
And honestly, I can't say that with certainty that they
would be able to. And because of that, it makes
me think that he was so careful with everything else
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that that was almost there had to be some level
of intention there because of he really cleaned his tracks otherwise.
I mean, I know that there's a lot of stupid things,
like all of these phone searches and stuff, but like
they never would have got to any of that if
they didn't know who he was.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Well, he might have eventually landed on a list if
all these other people are saying he's creepy, especially if
he was going to class talking about it, somebody might
have suggested his name, but they might not care.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah, Like this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Like even if they were like, Okay, he goes to
the school and we think it's him, they can't They
can't like really search his phone and all this stuff
without having They can't just do it because they think
he's being weird, Like they need an actual proof or
cause to do it.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
So how would they have had that? I don't know,
really have.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Other stuff though I don't know about yet, because like
they keep just releasing the documents in different bad gass.
It just doesn't seem like they're coming out with any
new evidence, which is whatever. But yes, it's just it's
all just like a really interesting case. But the body
cam footage that was released too, we haven't talked about
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on this show, and we talked about it on YouTube
last week. But that's another interesting thing because now I'm
seeing on X especially that a lot of people are
now rehashing that the survivors are like somehow involved, and
there's actually this whole hashtag called idaho instead of idaho
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like people freak Brian Coberger like people insisting that he
either wasn't the only one involved or that he wasn't
involved at all. Listen, I understand everybody wants to think
really deeply and peel back all the layers and everything,
but is anybody ever been or all these people making
these accusations, have they ever been in even kind of
(17:49):
a similar situation? Have they ever been in shock at
any point? Everybody's criticizing them for asking if they could
go home for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
They're kids, they're.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Young adults, and they've just gone through something extremely traumatic.
They admitted that they were intoxicated at the.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Time it went down.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
What do you expect, I don't think it's like that
crazy that they asked that their their kids.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
They're like living on their own for the first time ever. Yeah,
that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
A lot of people look at the videos and think
with all the knowledge that we know now, But even
if it's one of the roommate's you know, if you've
ever been drunk, it's just like, which I haven't been
in a long time, but I remember when I was
when I was younger, and I remember just situations of
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my friends coming over and like we would like we
would like drink and and like watch Jerry Springer or something,
and it's just like one time I remember sitting on
the couch with one of my friends and we're watching
this episode and like the person comes out from behind
the stage and they're wearing a costume that's a cow,
and they're like pouring milk on each other as like
(18:59):
a weird sac right, And you're drunk on the couch
and you're like, is this really happening right now? Like
it's so outrageous there's a cow like pouring milk over
someone and stuff like that. It's the same kind of
thing like when you're drunk, you're like you're not all there,
and you just don't you're not really connected with reality.
The whole point of drinking is to disconnect from reality, right,
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So like you're just not you're not thinking with your
normal brain of a person that's just watching a video
on Twitter, like you're thinking, like in relaxed is this
really happening kind of brain And it's just an overstimulation
of everything for them.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Well that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I mean, I think people are just trying to make
it deeper than it really is.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
But I mean, I definitely think that there's things to
look at from the video that can be analyzed, just
as far as like a lot of different things like
the friend that was there, Like everybody's just gonna question everything.
The guy that was there, like you know, they were
walking into the house, and the guy the friend that
was there is like has his hands up and like
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like obviously he like it's probably due to the fact
that he just saw his friends dead, and he's just
like oh my god, like like I'm gonna put my
hands up and back up out of the way. So
these guys could go in there. But like even the
cops like walking in and not having gloves on but
at the same time, the cops got a call that
it was for an unconscious person, not not for dead
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murdered people.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
So if they.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Were if if first responders were just going in the
house to attend to an unconscious person, then of course
they might not be ready to address it as a
crime scene. Like, I don't there's but like we're not them,
We're just like civilians, and it's just hard to like
look at the videos and judge what they how they
handled it.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I just think there's also just, you know, a component
of them just being naive and not being will willing
to mentally accept that that these people in front of
them are dead. Yeah, I think we're facing like kind
of a problem with these internet salutes where they want
to like take down everybody associated.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
And it doesn't have to be that deep.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
They're just young and naive to life and we're in shock.
I don't think it's it goes beyond that.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Seriously, it's just curious.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I'm curious because I guess in theory, the Idaho Police
Department in Moscow, I don't know that they really had
to release all of this information as publicly as they did.
I know it's public record, but like just being like
we talked about this before with the pictures and everything,
like just being able to easily access it.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
I almost feel like they're.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Inviting all this scrutiny that doesn't necessarily like it. Like
as far as the case goes, it's done, Like it's done.
He's in jail, and it's case closed. Like why are
you opening this up like this for people to just
like overanalyze every step you did, because it's not just
going to be the lay person on Twitter or or whatever.
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It's also going to be like professionals that do this
for a living, and like, I don't know, you're just
kind of like putting yourself out there for well.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I was surprised they released it because as of last week,
we were reporting that the families were suing over the
release of the crime scene photos. So I don't understand
why they.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Didn't release the more crime scene photos.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
That's yeah, but the bodycam footage was wrapped up in
that as well, So like that's I was shocked when
it came out because it was the day they were
set to gag.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I mean, I think it was just specific things they
didn't want released because apparently there's more graphic photos maybe
that they don't want released.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
But all right, let's get onto this, this really important
story of a person who found a fingertip in their food.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
All right, So, a woman is suing a New York
City restaurant after claiming she'd bit into a chicken wrap
that had a human fingertip in it. Yes, the nail
was included, but she didn't swallow it, so she said,
after spitting it out, she went to a medical clinic
brought it with her. She was really hoping they would
tell her that's not what it was, but it ended
up being the finger. She required some treatment for it,
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and now she just doesn't think what happened to her
is right obviously. Yeah, And the story gets weird though,
because I guess she had the finger tested somewhere and
they told her that the finger was female and that's it.
So I'm assuming that they did they were able to
get some tissue off it to do a karyotype, which
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is just maybe a little bit of an easier genetic
test to do just to say if it was male
or female. I'm not exactly sure what they did. That's
just what I'm assuming because a DNA test would would
be more expensive and require more resources and take a
longer time. So she knows that she has this fingertip
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that's a female, and the guy that owns the restaurant
is just like, oh, well, I'm because I never have
women working to prep the food, which is weird. Actually,
well it's weird, but it also doesn't mean like to me,
I'm like, it could have gotten there a million ways.
It could have been like let's say they had bag bloodness.
They could have been in the bag of let you
know what I mean, Like it didn't in my opinion,
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it didn't have to come exactly from the restaurant. But
it doesn't mean that I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So he so he's just like, well, we're I'm safe
because I never have a female on on the line
doing this. And he made a statement like she must
have got the finger off the street or something. I
don't know, it's not from here, like like a finger, Oh,
she just got it off the street whatever, found a
fingertip on the New York City sidewalk, And yeah, I
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mean that might not be unusual, honestly, but but seriously,
like she where the hell she has all her fingertips?
Where is she going to get a woman's fingertip. To
your point, Maria, if you if you get food from
a distributor, which is completely possible that they do in restaurants,
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it is possible that the fingertip couldn't come from somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
But it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
It looks it doesn't look like it's that old, because
if it was cut off and it was sitting out there,
it's gonna be like any other meat and decomposed and stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
It looks like how long does it have or we
talk in hours or days?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Well, it depends because let's say, for example, someone's in
a plant and they're they're cutting lettuce or something and
their fingertip gets cut off or whatever, and that the
lettuce goes into a bag and then the bag is
put immediately into refrigeration and then it put and then
it's transported cold, and it put put into a refrigerator
at the restaurant. Then it would be fine for a
while if if it's not at room temperature. And it's
(25:50):
funny because Lucia was just showing me these videos of
all these accidents that happened on Hell's kitchen. She came
across and one of them was a couple of them
the chef's cut the fingertips off and the one time
they weren't able to find the fingertip in one of
the stories. So I thought that that was interesting because
I'm like, this definitely happens. But and that was my
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first thought too when the guy was trying to say
it didn't happen at his place, I'm just kind of like,
I don't really know where she got this test to
say it's a female or not. But like, even so,
if she, if this is true, like she really should
put out the extra money and get DNA testing on
the thing and like figure this out.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Because well to that point, he said she was refusing
to have DNA testing though, which is why he thinks
she brought it in from somewhere else. But then just
the argument is, like where is she just getting a fingertip?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Well, I have a story actually that I'm going to
be posting on Instagram and the gross Room soon about
a woman who's she's a grocery member. Actually she sent
us an email and said that her dad had cut
his fingers off with a saul or something and he
went to the hospital and then and she's like, do
you want to see the picture of his fingers when
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he came home from the hospital and he found them,
and it's just like this piece of wood with two
fingertips on it. It's just like that's what I think about.
But it's just like I guess technically that person could
be like, oh, I found this in my food, and like,
where do you get a fingertip? It's just the weirdest
it's the weirdest thing. Ever, maybe she doesn't want to
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get DNA testing because like, like you would have to
pay for that out of pocket.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I suppose.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I mean, I don't know, Like I feel like you
should be able to call the police and be like,
I found a human body part in my food, so
like investigate this, Yeah, exactly. So I don't know why
that's not getting done, But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
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Yeah, So this skull was found in the woods and
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they thought that the skull belonged to a woman of
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Asian or Native American descent, but they were way off.
It was of Swedish descent. They traced the skull back
to her family who had immigrated here in the late
eighteen hundreds, and found out that it was from a
woman who had died in a hospital. So if you
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because it's really unbelievable how they got there and what
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they found out about how she died.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah it is. So it's such a crazy story, but.
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Speaker 1 (29:07):
All Right, this next case, I feel like the abuse
stories have been just like extra the past couple of weeks.
This case involves girls that are my kid's age. So
I have a ten year old and a twelve year
old and this little girl is right in between at
eleven years old, and she was pregnant and nobody knew it.
(29:28):
The kid didn't know it, obviously because she's eleven years old,
probably had no idea what was going on with herself,
but the parents claim they didn't know, and she gives
birth to.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
A term baby.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I think this is one of the most disturbing cases
we have covered in here. And of course it's like,
we find out this eleven year old child has delivered
a baby in her home. Of course they didn't bring
her to the hospital or anything. And that's more obvious
when it turns out that they do DNA and the
baby is her stepfather's child.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah, which is dumb. We knew that was going to happen.
I guess.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I guess initially she had given birth and they had
to wait a couple of days to get the DNA results.
So I mean, God, the poor trauma that this this girl,
a little girl, is going through and will go through
the rest of her life for this because now I
don't even under I don't even know how they're going
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to handle it. So both of the parents are arrested.
She's going to be put into protective services because she's
a child, does she but she has a baby that's
her baby, So I don't even know if they keep
them together. I mean, I would hope that they would,
just because like, she doesn't need I mean, you could
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argue either way, having the baby's trauma, taking the baby
away as trauma. She didn't choose any of this. This
is just not this is not fair for her.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
No, and the mom's been arrested because they're saying that,
you know, she was charged with enabling the abuse. So
of course, when I think of this case, I think
of the Menenda's brothers. They're claiming that, you know, their
fathers sectually assaulted them and their mother knew about it
and didn't do anything to stop it, and that was
their argument of why they killed.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
The mother as well.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
So it really is disturbing to me when you know
sexual abuse is happening in a family in general, but
then when the other parent knows about it and it's
just like letting it go on and to the point
where this girl has now gone through something even more
traumatic than being sexually abused in general. Now she has
a child. She may or may not have the child,
She may not want the child. Are they going to
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try to raise Were they going to just try to
play it off like it was a sibling?
Speaker 3 (31:44):
How did they think.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
They said they didn't know that she was pregnant? Now
they could, Okay, well, listen if the mother, people are
really checked out sometimes, right, So it's totally possible that
the mom didn't know this was happening and she didn't
know her daughter was pregnant. She's the worst mom ever,
by the way, Like I don't understand how you don't
(32:08):
you can't tell that something's going on with your little
child like that.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Okay, well, but.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Talk about the other stuff going on in the house,
because it's not that.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Exactly like she's she's checked out for sure.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
There was five other kids in the home, two, four, six, seven,
and nine years old. They have now been removed, thank god.
But the investigators were saying they were living in deplorable
conditions with dog feces everywhere. None of them were wearing clothing.
I looked at the house that didn't look very big
and thinking about all those people living in that house.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, so, I mean there's just some level of like
I don't know what was going on with them, if
there was like drugs or alcohol involved, or there was
just some level of mental illness, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
But the mom.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Is equally should be in trouble as well because the child,
I mean, this is abuse in itself. Like the child
wasn't even being taken to the doctor for like checkups
and and here it's like, oh, the kid was pregnant
the whole time and and and not getting prenatal care.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
And just like, let's.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Say they did know about it, why would they bring
her to the doctor for checkups and why would they
bring her to the hospital to deliver the baby?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
And it's quite possible that they did know and they
just and like think about this like so so for
an eleven year old, it's called an adolescent pregnancy. For
an eleven year old child's body to get pregnant, it's
like some kids get have precocious puberty and get their
period and eight years old, nine years old early, but
(33:43):
they're pelvis is still not ready to accommodate a pregnancy. Sometimes,
so lots of different things can happen during these pregnancies
of a super young child like this, including like not
going to term. There's just a higher risk of term,
which is very unusual. That she did go all the
way to term. There's a high risk of miscarriage, fetal death,
(34:07):
maternal death. I mean, like God, it's actually mind blowing
that eleven year old was able to give birth at
home and not have the feet is stuck in her
pelvis because that would have required an emergency c section,
which wasn't getting done at the house. Like it's it's
(34:29):
just kind of a miracle that she survived this, honestly, and.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
God knows how the birth went down.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I mean, did they even say if that baby had survived. No,
they didn't anything about that kid.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
But I mean they said that she gave birth, and
they I feel like they would have mentioned if the
baby didn't survive. So I mean, it's just and listen, like,
people could give birth at home all the time and
it's fine, but like in this situation, it's just having
gone through it so many times, it's just like terrible
to think of a kid, my kid's age going through that.
(35:03):
It's just my kids are playing like the sims right now.
They don't even have any idea of what that would
be to their body. It's just it just pisses me
off so bad that this could even happen. So I'm
glad they're in jail. Of course, another this is another
(35:25):
thing that bond for one hundred thousand dollars each one
hundred thousand dollars, one hundred thousand dollars, So if for
some reason they can get money, they can get out
of that and they're allowed to leave. And it says
that they might be able to go to prison for
life for this, but like, if you are that high
(35:47):
up on the list of going to prison for life,
why would they let you out until you go to trial.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Well exactly because clearly somebody like this that gets out
is just going to repeat their actions. It's not like,
oh I just got arrested, I'm gonna stop being a
child molestor so, like, why are we.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Even allowing this?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
It's just like you you I don't know, It's just
like multiple cases we've been talking about, like you've you've
done something to this child for the rest of her life,
Like you don't deserve to be out and free until
you have a jury and everything, especially when they have
the DNA results. There's it doesn't matter if this needs
(36:26):
to go to court and find him he's guilty, he's guilty.
It's just there's nobody needs to bait it. The kid's
a child and has DNA in her body. That made
a child. That is from a grown up. It's not
from another eleven year old kid that they were messing around.
Then it just happened by accident. It's from a grown
up that shouldn't be having sex with an eleven year
(36:48):
old period.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Well yeah, like all right.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Next, a woman went on TikTok to explain that she
was trying to spot clean her mattress, but when she
unzipped it, all this fiberglass was released in the air
caused her to wear ppe at home.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
So I bought.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Lily in a couple of years ago a new mattress
for her bed, one of these like ones on Amazon
that are only like three or four hundred dollars, And
I always read the reviews just to see what people
say about them, and I was shocked underneath of so
many of the different reviews for mattresses like this, people
were posting about don't take the cover off. So when
(37:26):
you get the mattress, it has this cover that's already
on it, but it has a zipper, which maybe they
should just not even have a zipper on it because
that might indicate to people that it could come off. Yeah,
because especially being a woman or even a teen girl,
like you get your period and you get blood on
the mattress, like it happens to everyone. Right, So you think, Okay,
(37:47):
I want to take this off and wash it, because
it looks like it's almost made of like a like
a sweatshirt material or something like. It looks like it
could come off and wash and then you could put
it back on. And all of these people are doing
that for that very reason, and they unzip it and
all of a sudden, you have like a hazmat situation
in your house, in your bedroom.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
So this lady was saying that basically after it happened,
she had to throw all this stuff in her bedroom,
including clothing, the mattress, and she now she had to
put up tarps and other areas of her home so
it didn't spread out. And it's just a major inconvenience.
I agree with you, Why even let it be removed
if it's going to be such a problem because I
would assume if you could take it off yourself, it
would be safe. And I didn't know that fiberglass was
(38:30):
in mattresses at all.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah, I was shocked too, But when I was reading,
like I mean, people were saying that they had to
hire companies to come to their house, and overall the
thing has a good rating. And I bought it just
with the assumption that I wasn't going to take the
cover off, but like they didn't really emphasize that in
the packaging when I bought it.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
I just so happened to read it.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
And you know, the fiberglass particles, if you breathe them in,
they could scar your lungs and give you something called
pulmonary fibrosis, which is just like a chronic scarring of
the inside of your lungs from breathing in inorganic materials
like that. And these particles are so fine that they
could like this is why she's saying she had to
(39:15):
throw out so many things because they could land on furniture,
on betting pillows, but they also could go into the
ventilation system throughout your house and just spread around and
breathing that shit in for an extended period of time
can cause permanent lung damage.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I'm surprised they even allow it to be in there,
considering how dangerous it could be.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Well, it's in your house, it's every I mean, they're
dangerous things everywhere, and it's totally fine if it's contained.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, but so is asbesis at one point, and now
that's not supposed to be in houses anymore.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Well, the thing is is that there's certain things that
are just considered to be safe as long as they're not.
I mean, it's against she did something that's considered to
be against the label. Although I'm just I'm just making
the mention of like, I don't know that they're that
maybe they should put like a giant sticker on it
(40:10):
that says they just shouldn't even put a zipper on it,
cause then if somebody had to physically cut it open,
then they might be like, maybe this shouldn't come off.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Well, of course, that's why I'm saying, like, you think
if you could remove it and throw it in the wash, like,
no big deal. You don't think you're going to release
all these like toxins in the error.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
I also think that there's a possibility that it is
wrapped in something else, Like you have to get through
a couple layers to actually like release it. I don't
think just like unzipping it makes it come out. But
we you know, I don't, we don't know what I
don't know. Yeah, but I definitely did read that in
(40:47):
the reviews that people were having an issue with that.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
All right, let's move on to our last story. So,
in the last year or two, a law was passed
in Colorado to crack down on funeral homes, mortuaries, et cetera,
to make sure they were operating legal. So inspectors go
to do their first inspection at the Davis Mortuary in
Pueblow and immediately upon going in notice a strong smell
of decomp Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
So, I guess this is why they put this They
put this lall in place for this very reason, because
they're going to be doing these inspections annually. Wait, wasn't
wasn't like a similar case that happened.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Well, there was that Return to Nature case where the
hundreds of bodies that was also in Colorado's exactly. So
I bet all was the direct result of that. Yeah,
I bet you one hundred percent it is so.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
So then now they're like, all right, we're going to
do this annually, because obviously if they were coming every
single year to this particular place, they wouldn't have found
twenty bodies that were in various stages of decomposition, including
some that they said looked like they had been there
(41:57):
for fifteen years, which means that they were skeletonized, right, Like,
did you also how many funeral homes is this going
on in America? Like, I feel like we've talked in
a short time other nots that's been a podcast. We've
talked about this quite often.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Well, just in the last couple of weeks, we've had
like five stories about it between here and the gross room.
It's happening so frequently. Did you also happen to notice
that this man that owned the funeral home was a coroner,
which is an elected position by the way, so he's
a trusted person in this community, and his brother ran
it with him as well, And people were saying they
(42:39):
had seen both brothers in and out of there, so
they're fully both aware of the operations going on. What
are you thinking holding these bodies in the side room. Also,
they admitted to not giving family members their actual loved
ones remains.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Well, it's all it's in every case. It's it's quite
similar that it's all about money. It's just like, we
have this dead body here, the family's going to give
us eight thousand dollars to cremate them. They're never going
to know if they actually got cremated, or if we
give them a bag of cat litter and we pocket
the money, right, I mean, that's like eight thousand dollars. No,
(43:18):
it's so morally wrong. It's so morally wrong.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
But how much does it really cost to burn the body?
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Because like what act doing with it? Well, it costs.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
It certainly cost because the crematory has a fee, and
it's probably I don't even know what the going rate
is right now. But let's say, for example, they charge
a family, a funeral home charges a family eight thousand dollars.
The crematory might charge four thousand dollars, and then the
funeral home upcharges or whatever. Like I don't really know
(43:48):
how it works. I don't work in that field, but
so I'm just assuming this. So the funeral home has
to put money out too, They just they up charge
to get to make money off of it. So why
like why make four thousand dollars when you can make
eight thousand dollars like and then times that by twenty bodies,
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all of a sudden you have like enough money to
pay off a debt or to like get you out
of a jam. It's it's messed up. But it's like
every single case of this is kind of the same thing.
They're holding bodies and taking money from the customers for cremation.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Don't they just love that too?
Speaker 2 (44:29):
When they went in there, the they told the investigators like, oh,
don't go in that door that was behind some cardboard
display and they were like, yeah, we're going in that door,
Like what are you even terrible in here?
Speaker 1 (44:40):
And also like the smell of human decomposition is just
so foul it, I mean, how how do you even
want to be surrounded by that? And how could you
just put like a human person that had a life
in the corner and just let them.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Rot like that?
Speaker 1 (44:58):
It's just so like you're such a disconnect and listen, like,
I've worked with dead people there. You have to have
a certain kind of disconnect to just be able to
do your job. But like that that's like weird to me.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Do you just think it's this like personality trait of
not I'm not saying everybody that works in the funeral business,
but of a lot of people that work in the
funeral business that they're already so detached from death that
they just don't see it as being a problem to
treat the people like shit.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
I don't think it's a lot. I don't think it's
a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
I think, like I just was saying, like everyone in
our field, whether it's funeral or pathology, whatever, you have
to have a certain level of like.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Disassociation with it because of.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Like right now, if you saw a dead body, you
would flip your shit.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Like yeah, like I couldn't handle.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
You couldn't handle it, Like right now, I could eat
a hamburger over a dead body, Like I don't have
any feelings like that. But at the same time, like
I'm not like that's somebody's parent or sister or brother
or something like I would never like leave just like
throw it in the corner and be like, yeah, I
can make eight thousand off this one. Like let me
(46:12):
just let this rot here and I'll just tell the
family like this is, you know, the cat litter is
their creative remains it's just like there's a level for sure.
I don't think it's often though, but in these cases
for sure, Well.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
It's definitely not as rare as people want to hope
that it is.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
So I don't know, I.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Feel bad for everybody you know that ever had a
cremation done there, because again it's just a question of
like did you even get the remains of your loved one?
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Well, I guess it's scary too because it's now like
that's X amount of funeral homes we talked about just
this year that and it's just like there's all these
families that are getting phone calls that, oh, you know,
you thought that this was because you know, someone dies
twenty years ago, and it's like you still have a
memory of them, but it's over, it's done with, You're
moving on with life, and then you get a phone
(47:00):
call like this and it just stirs up a lot
of emotions and like you want to think that that
your mother is in an urn at your house and
hear her dead skeleton is like in a corner on
top of other dead bodies rotting and it's still present
on this earth here. Like it's upsetting, you know.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
It's very it's very weird. All right, guys.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
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Speaker 1 (47:38):
See you guys tomorrow. Thank you for listening to Mother
Knows Death. As a reminder, my training is as a
pathologists assistant. I have a master's level education and specialize
in anatomy and pathology education. I am not a doctor
and I've not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive
(48:00):
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