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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have a lot
of great stories for you this week. Today we are
going to get started talking about Taylan All you storing
pregnancy and its potential link to autism, the dead teenager
who was found in singer David's tesla, a man who
died on a ride at Universal, a surrogate who was

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put on leave because she was carrying someone else's baby,
a mom and a daughter who are both pregnant by
the same man. And newborn babies that were switched and
given to different mothers in the hospital. All that and
more on today's episode. Let's get started with the big
news this week that there is some kind of a

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link between Thailand all and autism.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
I mean, this was pretty controversial yesterday on the internet,
with like, you know, one side having opinions, another side
having completely different opinions. So the news came out that
there's this potential link between tail and ill used during
pregnancy and autism, and the President is saying that FDA
will notify doctors of a very increased risk of autism

(01:26):
from using it, even though so many people are debating
that there are decades of research saying that this is
not the case and that it is very safe to use.
So how do you feel about this?

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Well, first, I'm always skeptical of anything that the government
tells us at this point, so I always want to
do my own research on things, and even then you
can go to all different sources and you never really
know if you're getting the full story. But this isn't
really news to me. I feel like I've been hearing

(01:58):
this for a very very long time that there's some
kind of link with thailand all, and that's kind of
exactly where it stands. So they're saying that, and this
is a terminology thing. They're saying that thailand All in
pregnancy causes autism, and there's never really been a study

(02:23):
done that that says that there are studies done that
show that there is an association with it, which is
just a difference, which means that they've seen an increased
risk in autism in children that have been born to
mothers that took thailan al during pregnancy. However, they don't

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know if it's thailand all mixed with the genetic component,
if it's Thailand all mixed with something else. They don't
know what the relationship is. They just know there's a relationship.
Does that make sense, Yes, it does.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
So like with that in mind, I think it's it
seems irresponsible to have said that in the way they
did without having the data to back it up.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yes, I mean they they the terminology is not correct
and people are jumping on that. So if they wanted
to say, we want to like this is what I
would have done. I would have said, you know, we
want to put a warning label on Thailan all because
there's some kind of association with it. We don't know

(03:34):
what it is yet, but we know that Thailand all,
either by itself or with something, is increasing the risk
of autism. And they, of course the way that they
say it just this is this is why there's a
lot of trust lost in just all of these different things.

(03:57):
And I feel kind of I don't know the word
I'm looking for is, but I just feel kind of
hopeless or something that now from now on, it's just
going to be like every other administration that's in the
White House, It's going to be like half of the
country doesn't listen to what they say because they hate

(04:17):
that person, then the other person comes in, and then
they like that person. You know, it's just going to
be this pingponging back and forth. So whoever hates this
dude is just going to disagree with it anyway regard
it doesn't It literally doesn't matter what he says. And
it's the same with the other side too. It doesn't
matter what anybody says. You're just going to find something

(04:39):
to nitpick and say that it's wrong. So, I mean,
the reason that it's irresponsible to say it in the
way that they did is because especially like I was
never a crazy pregnant person. Like I don't know, I've
work in the hospital. I say this all the time,

(05:01):
like all of the placentas that I would see with
like mothers on heroin and methadone and all of this,
you know, smoked crack, baby's born healthy, all this stuff, Right,
I just was kind of like, I mean and cheese
during pregnancy, Like I don't care, like you know, but
some people are extra extra extreme, like Andrea if you're listening,

(05:25):
but I mean, she had a hard time getting pregnant
and everything, and she was just very very like I
don't want to use this face, wash, I don't want
to dye my hair like you know, So when you
say that to to a pregnant person that tail and
all use causes autism, that's going to make a certain
amount of women never want to use it. Now, that's

(05:46):
fine if you want to. If you your knee hurts
or whatever, you have a headache and you just want
to like ride it out, that's totally that's fine, and
and really you should try to do that anyway, just
to minimize whatever you take during pregnant. But the problem
comes in when a woman gets sick when she's pregnant,
which happens like in fact, it happens more often because

(06:08):
pregnancy is you're considered im you know, compromised. Right, So
if you get an illness where you get a fever,
Thailand all brings the fever down. Having a fever during
pregnancy is not a good thing because it could it
could lead to miscarriage, honestly, like it could really make
you sick and the and risk the fetus his life

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as well. So if you have people now that are
getting fevers that are now scared to death to take
tailand off to make it go away, that is going
to potentially be a problem. Right, So whereas if they said,
we think there's an association, but we're not sure what.

(06:49):
It just seems a little bit more like palatable that
people would be willing to take it if if they
were pregnant. You know.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Well, I also think an important detail, which of course
they don't have the data on, is are we talking
about this as pregnant women that took a handful of
them throughout their whole pregnancy or women that are popping
one every single day?

Speaker 3 (07:10):
So yeah, I check this out, and according to Yaale
Public Health, it is frequent and prolonged aceto metafine use.
So it's not just like, oh, I took for during pregnancy. Now,
what you need to remember.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Is that.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Thailanol is basically the only kind of pain relieving, fever
reducing drug a woman could take during pregnancy.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, because they can't take insund so.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
No, So now you have a situation where I mean
there's people who have rheumatar arthritis and lupus and just
headaches whatever whatever like sometimes people take thailanol every day
of their life for things like that. So I'm thinking
that it's more of those types of patients and like

(08:01):
I said, there's not. We don't know what the link
is because their study is done that have Thailand all
and autism, and they're just like, we can't make the connection.
So so it's it's definitely an association, but why kind

(08:23):
of we don't know why, right. Another thing though, from
the other side, is that we can't you know, I've
seen a bunch of doctors posting like Childer knows it's
been the safest drug in the world since not do
blah blah blah, and like that's to say that that
it's benign. It's the same with the vaccine talk and

(08:46):
all that shit, Like it's just like any single time
you're putting a drug in your body, even something like
Thailand all there there is a risk with with it.
It's a it's a safer drug for sure, but it's
definitely not one hundred percent benign. People have had issues
with it, including it's very easy to damage your liver
with it, really and especially if you already have liver damage,

(09:09):
like if you're a drinker, you could have serious problems
with not that much til at all. So but I
don't know, I just I just think that it's it's
just kind of like, I know that we've been talking
about this forever there's this potential link, but like, why

(09:29):
did it have to be announced in that way yesterday?
Just with like I feel like it wasn't very thought
out and tiptoed around because of how sensitive it is.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
That's kind of what I'm getting at. Like, if they
went up there and did that press conference and we're like,
we've thought this for a while, we conducted these studies,
and this is what the studies have shown us, I
think a lot more people will be taking it seriously.
But you're like, you literally just went up there and
said something like you have you have like this basically
this conspiracy that there's a link between the two, but

(10:01):
you have nothing factually backing that up. And that's why
I think it was so controversial.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
I mean, I guess this is the thing though. Obviously
because of COVID, there's been like a huge distrust in
public health, right and then this time around, they wanted
Robert Kennedy to be like, we're going to be more
transparent about what's going on. And this seems to have
come out of left field for many people because they've

(10:29):
I don't think they've really ever outwardly said that this
was and there was an association. So most people don't
check scientific papers and have no idea that this is
even a thing. Did you know this was a thing?

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Well, I like not to the extent you did. I
I didn't know why everybody was freaking out about it
yesterday because I started seeing this popping up in the
news two to three weeks ago. So I was like,
why all of a sudden yesterday, is this like the
big deal? But I understand they did that big conference
about it.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, and like that's the thing. So the average the
average person that's your age, right, that's getting pregnant and
stuff like that, is like not aware of this association.
And I think that that's really all they should have
done was been like, hey, just the heads up, there's
some kind of association. You do what you want with

(11:19):
the information kind of thing. I don't know. I don't know,
Like I just don't. I don't really know if there's
something that they know that they're not telling us, or.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Well they didn't, they just didn't worry. It was messy.
It just was messy.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
It was messy, and really like he like he shouldn't
have been talking about it. Really because he just is
He's not I don't think you have to be a
doctor to talk about it, but he's not a medical
person and it should have been explained a little bit better.
And I feel like from a medical person perspective, if

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I was standing behind him, I would have been like,
oh God, just please stop. You're making it worse, like
and it kind of discredits something that might be very real.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Well yeah, and like also I wanted to note that
this article we're referencing, said tayl Nhill's maker, keV Kenvu
said Monday that it strongly disagrees that a state of
minifit causes autism, is deeply concerned about the healthas blah
blah blah blah. We also need to take in perspective.
Of course, the drug company is not going to come
out and agree with this finding that it's potentially gonna

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make their stock flomit and their money go down. So like,
I think the important thing to realize here is everybody
needs to hear this and kind of do their independent
research and see if there have been proper studies conducted.
And it was like what we're saying all the time,
if a study is done and it does prove this,
let's make sure it's by an independent source, not like

(12:50):
ibuprofen running this study for real. Right, So I don't know,
I agree with you. It was just completely messy. And
if there is an association, like you're saying, they should
have said that in the way everybody's taking it, it's
just like, this is it, this is what's happening, and
this is what we believe, not like there is speculation

(13:11):
that there is a link between the two, pending further investigation.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
So one of the you know, there's been lots of
statements issued by all of these health agencies and things,
and one of them said, quote, it is highly unsettling
that our federal health agencies are willing to make an
announcement that will affect the health and wellbeing of millions
of people without the backing of reliable data. Right, And

(13:39):
I agree with that statement. But like COVID, like hello,
COVID medicase, what about that whole thing that we had
to be six feet away from each other and they
ruined and closed restaurants because of it in businesses that
were in close quarters. And now they're just like, yeah,

(14:00):
we just kind of like arbitrarily made that up. You know,
so this is why, this is why we don't trust
it ever and and like will we ever again? I don't.
I don't really know, but you know, it's it's not
like this is unprecedent. This has happened. It happened with
COVID for sure, and yes with oxycotton. We could go

(14:23):
through the list of like all different things that they
told us were safe and weren't safe, and the implications
of something like Thailand all being considered not safe in
pregnancy is it's just so huge just because it so
many people get pregnant, and so many people are afraid
of autism, and so you know, so well, can you.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Imagine if a mother lost her life or a child
died prematurely or something because they had a fever that
could have been taken care of with taking a dose
and it was and they didn't do it because they
were scared.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
The other thing is to is that for parents that
have autistic children. I don't know because I don't have
an autistic child, right, but I would think on one hand,
I would just want to know anything possible to help.
I mean, but at this point you already have the
autistic child. There's nothing that you could do to reverse

(15:20):
that kind of at this point. Except they did say
yesterday too that the FDA is now approving luc of
warren a medication for autism because they found.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
That cancer medication.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Well, Lucia used to take it, okay, so it's it
is usually given to patients that have cancer. But since
she's got an autoimmune disease and the specific when she
was on the methotrexx eight they gave her, she had
to take that pill too. And they're finding that because
there is a like a full l eate deficiency and they

(15:58):
think there might be patients that have autism that they
have seen a little bit of an increase in their
verbal communication in some patients. So if I was a
mom that had a child that was having verbal communication issues,
I would be open to hearing about other things and

(16:20):
also just willing to listen to possible reasons why my
child did get autism, because like if you think about
it too, like let's say I had an autistic child, Well,
now you're of child bearing age, Like, wouldn't you want
to know what caused that? Because it could be something
genetically or something could be tilent. I'll mixed with the

(16:40):
genetics or whatever it is. And you know, I'm just
sure any active pregnant woman right now is probably just
freaking out over this because it's like you already stressed
out over every single detail and then this comes out
and you're like, well, what if I do have to
take it when I get sick and then that does
end up happening, But then what if it ends up
being something totally unrelated they do you need to be

(17:00):
more specific about about what they have studied as far
as the dosage that they think, because that could that
could be huge too. It also could be huge in
what trimester is it used in. There's all different things
that they need to really which they should have just

(17:21):
like slowed their role a little bit and like said, oh,
like say, for example, okay, thailanol, if you're taking more
than three or four thaileanol a week in the second trimester,
you're at an increased risk. Like be more specific instead
of just being like, yeah, that stuff's terrible. Like there's

(17:43):
like factories and and like people. I mean, I don't
care about pharmaceutical companies, but there's a lot of people
that rely on thailanol. I mean, could you imagine it's
it's probably the most common drug that's sold in in
the world. Really, I don't you know, Like seriously, if
you really think about it, it probably is.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
I mean to me, this was just up there with
outrageous claims, as well as another thing that came out
yesterday that a raptures apparently happening today. So like, what
is going on today too? Sorry if you guys hear
this episode, I think we've survived.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
But for now, all right, so let's let's talk about
we did. So we talked about this in the Grocerroom
Live YouTube, right, we haven't talked about this on this show, right, No, So.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
This broke after we wrapped recording our episodes last week,
so we covered it on YouTube live and it was
initially when you know, just the bare amount of information
was coming out about it, and then we did a
really deep dive on it in the Grocery Room yesterday.
So a couple of weeks ago, police got a call
about this foul oder coming from a Tesla at an
impound lot. The car had only been there for two

(18:56):
days since it had been reported abandoned in a local neighborhood,
and when police got there, they found the badly decomposing
body of this missing teenager, Celeste Revas, and the car
has been is that has been is registered to the
singer David, who's been actively on tour for the last
couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
So they so there's been a lot of different information
that's come out as far as what her body looked like,
and so they said that she was these are specific
words they use, severely decomposed. Her body was not intact,
and it was wrapped in plastic in the trunk of

(19:37):
the car. They also have said that it appears that
she was in the car for five days before it
got to the impound before it got to the impound lot,
so that and how long was it in the impound
lot Only two days, so a total of a week, right,
So if you date back and say, okay, what was

(20:01):
seven days before her body she was found on September eighth, correct, Yeah,
so September first ish around there he was on tour, yes,
So so okay, so that's the question, like, well, if
he's on tour and he has an alibi and he
wasn't there, then then who did this? Right?

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (20:26):
My other question though, is is it just possible that
because we don't have the autopsy report yet. We tried
to get it and it says we have we have
to wait for it to come in the mail, so
we'll get back to you in you know, two months.
But it says that the cause of death, the cause
of death is, and the manner of death are pending.

(20:47):
Like they are not putting an answer on the website
for the medical Examiner's office, so we only know these
little blips that they've given out to the media, and
we're not really sure if because sometimes if a non
medical person is writing an article, they might not be
explaining it correctly. And again we were just talking about

(21:09):
with the terminology with the tile and all thing like
when when the medical examiner says the body is not
intact to me, that means that they're there, the aren't
maybe the hand isn't attached, or their limbs aren't attached
or something like that. But you can't just jump to
the word dismemberment because when a person is severely decomposed,

(21:31):
like they said, you have to remember that all the
bones are stuck together with soft tissue, So if that decomposes,
then you could have like a natural dismemberment that wasn't
necessarily done by the person who killed her, So we
don't know any of that. But like I just I
just want to be careful of saying those words because

(21:52):
that's a whole different scene in a way.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Well yeah, and like we I think we talk. I
believe we talked about on the YouTube, but maybe you
and I talk but in a private conversation. But we
don't know for a fact that she was murdered at
this time. But the crime committed here was she was
put in a bag and put in a car, So
like somebody committed some form of a crime by putting
her in there. It's not like she got lot we

(22:16):
had done that dissection about the boys in Camden before
that got stuck in the trunk and died in the
car accidentally, that was not what happened. I guess it's
possible she crawled in the trash bag and closed the trunk.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
But like listen, we just don't know. In the world
of forensics, like weirder things have happened, right, Do you
remember that one case, that Eliza Lamb case at that
Cecil hotel. Yeah, that she that was like so weird
that she ended up in the water supply tank of
the hotel. Like weird stuff happened sometimes, especially when people
are doing drugs or something or they're having some kind of,

(22:49):
uh A psychological issue. But I don't, I don't know,
Like I have a lot of questions about it, because
to me, the words severely decomposed means that this person
is like still as soft tissue attached, clearly because they
were able to identify this tattoo that she had matching

(23:09):
with him, right, so she has to have some kind
of soft tissue attached still. But a severely decomposed person
to me is like has a lot of soft tissue
missing and has some bones sticking out, and that even
though she was inside of a dark color car in
an area that was nineteen to ninety five degrees, that

(23:34):
level of decomposition, I just feel like, I don't know,
it's just it might. I don't want one hundred percent
say this because I didn't get to examine the body
and stuff. But when you if she was murdered and
she was put in the trunk right away, then she's
in an environment that has low oxygen, low air flow,

(24:00):
and more importantly, there's no access for insects or animals.
To get to her body. Right, So when you start decomposing,
the bacteria puts off these gases that attract like flies,
and then the flies lay eggs, and then they have maggots,
and the maggots eat the tissue and kind of help
break down the body. Well, when you don't have that

(24:21):
assistance in theory, it takes long. Even though it's so hot,
it takes longer to decompose to that level. So was
she there five d I don't know, Like, it's totally
possible she was killed and kept in a house for
a while and then moved to the car, Like I
just don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Well that's what I was thinking. I mean, there's a
million scenarios that could have gone down, and nobody's been
arrested or charged. Right now, I think the most important
part of this case is that she was missing for
a year and a half. She was a minor. She
was found the day after what would have been her
fifteenth birthday, so we know she died at fourteen years old.

(25:01):
And you know, all these online salutes have been pulling
up all this data basically from discord and social media,
and of course this is not one hundred percent confirmed
by police. It that they possibly meaning Celeste and David,
had a relationship going back to possibly when she was
eleven years old.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yeah, it's it's super bizarre because there's picture there's definitely
pictures of them together that multiple people have found through
different live streams that he's done. I mean, this guy's
got millions of followers. You have to think about that. So,
which is odd because this child, she's a child, was

(25:45):
reported missing and there is a poster floating around with
her picture on it and her name and her age,
and not one of the millions of people that saw
her and knew that her name was Celeste. Because he
was really not hiding it, right, he wrote a song
about a person named the Last He.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Wasn't hiding it. And then this video came out over
the weekend that her former teacher was using the case
as an example of how dangerous social media could be,
and a student filmed him talking about it. But he
was talking about her and how she met this guy
on social media and how he had picked her up
and brought her back. So she lived about ninety minutes

(26:25):
outside of La So, according to the teacher, David had
picked Celeste up, brought her back to La and the
police got her and brought her back home, and then
a couple months later is when she was declared missing
in April of twenty twenty four. So I'm just saying, like,
if they know he's involved, why did nobody know she
was there, especially because he wasn't seemingly hiding it. I

(26:49):
just think there are so many bizarre details of this case.
According to her brother, they had reported it to police
and thought that she was there, but nobody did anything
about it.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
See, I was thinking from what I read that because
the mother said this too, Like the teacher said it,
everyone knew she had a rapper boyfriend named David, but
I don't think they knew it was him, you know
what I mean. That's the that's the problem. Like if
the brother goes to the cops.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
If she ran away with him months before and they
retrieved her from his house.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
I don't know if she was retrieved from his house
and if he was because obviously, like well it not obviously,
especially in California. But assuming the police show up and
there's a miner at a grown man's house, they would
do something about it. They probably got her, but she
was not associated with him at all. And that's why

(27:43):
they don't know who he is. So the brother goes
to the police and says, she has this rapper boyfriend
named David, Like, what the hell are they going to
do with that? Everybody's named David, Like that's not helpful
at all because they didn't know it was like that
stupid way he spells his name with the letter four
in it, that's impossible to That was real fun writing
about him yesterday with that stupid name. Anyway. So another

(28:06):
weird thing too, is that so this child went missing
at thirteen years old, and her mother had told police
that she had a tattoo on her finger that said
and I'm just like, how is this kid? So this
kid's on social media? This is how she meets this
guy David, Right, what was she on discord or something? Yeah,
which is just an absolute extra terrible one for a

(28:29):
kid to be on. And she's got a tattoo already.
She's thirteen, She's a little kid.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
So all right, So I think the information about the
tattoo is a little confusing because I think what happened
was they looked at her remains, they narrowed her age
down to like eleven to sixteen, or something, and then
they cross examined that with missing persons and came across her,
and then when they notified the family, that's when they

(28:57):
found out about the tattoo.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
No, no, the mother said that she had a tattoo.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Okay, so I guess I was reading it, which, like
they found out about it when they went.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Out the mother. That's part of the identification was that
the mother said she had this tattoo on her finger. Okay,
so the mom. So if the mom knew about it,
she was thirteen years old when she or earlier when
she got it, because that's the last time the mom
has seen her.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Well, I've been seeing a lot of criticisms towards the
mother too, about like how was you you know, why
was your kid on these platforms?

Speaker 3 (29:33):
You think about the test and like I agree with
that completely, like that that could be a whole other episode.
But like, I'm not I'm not going to sit here
and like like her kid is dead in the back
of a car, like I toast, Like I'm not, I'm
not going there right now.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
But like unless there's like confirmed information from the investigation
that shows her involvement in it, people should really leave
her alone.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Oh yeah, I mean and listen like it's it's it's
nice to talk about because it's a good lesson that
you can't you have to watch children on the internet
and every I mean, like we talk about this every
single week about some different story. But yeah, so when
they when they find remains like that, that's exactly what's
going to happen that first, they're just going to be, like,

(30:21):
you know, try to figure out who is this person,
And especially with with a teenage child, it's pretty easy
to pinpoint a narrow down range because of their teeth.
So there certain teeth come out at different ages. We

(30:42):
have the teeth, we have certain bones. Growth plates they
fuse at different ages, so you'll be able to see
when a child's still growing. So usually around twenty years old,
the growth plates are closed, so you could be like, okay,
well this child is under twenty years old. But then
you could say, okay, these more are grown in, so
they have to be somewhere in between eleven and twenty

(31:04):
and they could really just narrow it down based upon
what they see doing an X ray post mortem, So
door are gonna sit there and figure out, Okay, this
is definitely like either a tween or a teenager, and
it's not even the same as an adult because a
child there should always be a report out for a
missing child because it's a child, right, So then they

(31:26):
go through their database and then they find, oh that
there's this girl that's been missing thirteen years old and
she also has brown hairn she also has brown eyes.
And I don't know if the mother gave the tattoo
information or not to when the missing person report was filed.
But and then they can confirm obviously with DNA and

(31:48):
if the mother had dental records on her and stuff.
But I mean, it's it's really it's just terrible too
because even think about this, like if he had nothing
to do with her death, it's it's like he he
left for tour on July thirtieth and just like left
a child by yourself.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Well it's it's that detail that has me, you know, suspicious.
And also the fact that they found her body on
September eighth in his car. I'm assuming they alerted him
that day about it. Yeah, and he didn't stop touring
until his shows got canceled last week like ten days later.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah, it's so weird.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
So you can go on Okay, Like, I understand you
have obligations, but you're in the middle of a criminal
investigation right now.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
So let's say this in theory. Let's say his best
friend was using his car while he was away, and
they called him and said, sir, there's a dead body
in your car. Like he didn't know it was her
right away? Right, So I mean listen, like any normal
person would be like, oh my god, I'm coming home,

(32:54):
like what is happening right now? But he didn't, which
is really, really really bizarre, is there. I'm just putting
this out there because we actually know someone that's something
similar like this has happened to. Is it possible that
he did not know that she was that age?

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Like okay, like, because we know somebody had happened to possibly,
but she I'm thinking she's she's I'm thinking about Lillian,
right She's around the same age as Lilian and the
missing posters A she's declared a missing person and it
says her age on there. B. She looks like a
thirteen year old. She does not look like a twenty

(33:41):
year old.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
But she in the one In the one picture she's
wearing like a tank top that's pretty low cut and
she has a little bit of cleavage there. I'm just saying, listen,
they're like Lillian, Lillian is is still she's not through
it yet, so she still has childlike appearances. But there

(34:02):
are children that some kids get, like my friend growing up,
get their period when they're in third grade and when
I'm very like mature looking.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
But what I'm getting at is when I look at
photos of her, she's not very mature looking. She might
pass as a fifteen year old, but she's still a kid,
and she's still way too young to be with him.
So I think, even if they prove he had nothing
to do with her death, he's still a pedophile.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Like no, he is a relief just saying that, Like
if he's from another part of California and meets this
girl and they start dating and he just like never
met her family. She says she's seventeen or eighteen or whatever,
and then she left, Like if the police weren't involved
with him specifically, she could have just like broke up

(34:52):
with them and left and then came back. And like
he like, how would how would he know? This is
just a converse I want to have just because and
thank god I don't have a son that I don't
have to deal with this, but like there are situations
where where a teenage girl would lie and say that
she was older than she actually was. No sure that

(35:14):
could be like in the differential here too. Of just
trying to put that out there. I would just love
the data. I would love to see what he says
about it, because they're obviously interrogating.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
We're going to have this.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Entire thing, and we're going to learn more about this obviously,
Like we'll talk about it more on this show once
we get the Autops Superport, if we and by the
time we get it, it's going to beyond well yeah,
cause like we ordered it, what two days after we
could have ordered it, so it'll all be online by
the time whoever ordered it first, you know. But I
mean obviously, so listen, I know that earlier you said

(35:50):
that we don't know, we can't we don't know one
hundred percent that this is a homicide because they didn't
put it as the manner of death. However, and listen,
like every the time homicide detectives are called, it's not
always a homicide. It's just something is suspicious and it
might be a homicide, right Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
But.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
The fact that they went to the house and were
specifically looking for blood evidence and specifically looking in drains
and things like that leads me to believe that at
autopsy they saw something that said she would have bled
a lot, and we need to find where she was killed. Yea,
because I mean, why else would they be looking, Like

(36:31):
let's say she was manually strangled, Right, they wouldn't be
looking for blood because he squeezed her neck, And why
would they be looking for blood?

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Right?

Speaker 1 (36:41):
But who killed her? Like when did she die?

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Did she You're sure that he never had a break
and went home for a day.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Listen. I looked at the tour dates. Anything's possible. There
was like days where he had a day off, Like
I actually think he had a day off the day
she was found. But at that time, I believe on
like the seventh, he was had a show in Minnesota,
and then on the ninth he had a show in Wisconsin.
So like it would be a lot to fly back

(37:11):
for one night and go back, right, But it's possible.
But the neighbors had said that that car hadn't moved
in over a month, and that's why it got reported
as abandoned. So I would think if it's on a
busy street in the Hollywood Hills, somebody would have seen
somebody put a big, large trash bag in the trunk.
So like, yeah, yeah, that's beforehand.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
I that's what. I don't know what the five day
thing is, like, I just don't I don't know. I
just don't think. I don't think so, like I just
if it was if it was outside, I'd be like yes, like,
especially like in Florida, that could happen real fast.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Don't they always have like cameras all over them too.
Aren't they gonna be able to see something or at
least see the last time. Don't they have monitors in
every single part of the car so they could see
the last time the trunk was open.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah, I I'm sure we just like they're not telling
us anything. So and as soon as we're done recording
this episode, like a whole bunch of shit will come
out as as usual.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
All right, now, truly, we'll cover it on the YouTube live,
so I know, right, all right? Last week, this thirty
two year old man got on the Stardust Racers roller
coaster in Universal, and when the ride was over, he
was unresponsive and later pronounced dead at the hospital. So
my first thought was a medical episode, but I was
pretty shocked by what they're saying.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
So this guy, I guess this may or may not
be relevant, But this guy had some kind of a
spinal cord injury and was in a wheelchair, so but
that was allowed on the ride. They assisted him to
get him off, So I don't know if he had
trouble using his legs or like he straight up was paralyzed.
I don't know. They just said he had a spinal

(38:51):
cord injury, so I'm pretty certain I would say that
would be relevant if he had a spinal cord injury
and had other problems associated with that without having his
legs move, for example, like you can get ulcers and
infections and just like different things could happen and then

(39:11):
you could have subsequent medical issues because of that. In
this case, because his so his manner of death was
ruled accidental, so it didn't have to do with a
medical issue. And the craziest part is that the cause
of death was listed as blunt force trauma. So to me,

(39:34):
his spinal cord injury means nothing to this case. He
was like whipped around and hurt by something to the
point that it killed him. Like his body hit against something,
whether it was a cell phone that fell out of
someone's pocket, or against a rod hanging or someone's shoe

(39:56):
or what at that force going through a roller coaster,
like something hurt his body so bad that it killed him.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Okay, So this is a point I wanted to say
that Louie brought up to me. So Louie saw something
on TikTok. And of course this is not confirmed or anything,
and there's investigations that the ride were operating properly and everything.
But this is a dual launch roller coaster, so they
have two tracks, and there's two roller coasters going at

(40:22):
the same time, and at certain points the tracks get
kind of close to each other where they like will
dip off, you know what I'm saying. So I watched
a point of view video of the roller coaster, and
there are points where the cars come pretty close to
one another. And Louie had said he saw something on
TikTok that possibly the guy could have gotten hit if
somebody's arms were up and the roller coasters went over,

(40:46):
depending on how tall he was.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Yeah, and they'll be able to figure that out because
there's going I mean, god, I just keep thinking, like
what because if does it have the over shoulder harness.
I'm not sure because it probably does. If it's like
a roller coaster like.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
That, I would think it does because it turns a lot.
I could say what you're gonna say, and I'll look
it up.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Yeah, because I'm just curious because really, when you're talking
about dying from blunt force trauma, right, it's not because
you got hit in the leg unless it was to
the point that it amputated. You're like it like he
got hit in the head or he got hit in
the chest.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yes to harness.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Okay, so there's a harness. Harness, there's not no just
a bar. But like, let me say, you can show
me a picture of it.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Hold on it.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
It goes like it's like a lap bar. His chest
is exposed. Yes, Okay, so this sounds like the two
side by side. Yeah, Like I think it was either
an unsecure object or or just proximity somehow. I mean,
I can't imagine that that's the case because they'd be

(42:02):
having problems all over and unless there was like a
freakishly tall person on there that had legs that were like,
you know, like a seven foot tall person that had
extra long legs that didn't make the clearance or something.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
I would think they would have cleared that in testing.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
I'm like, so, I'm like so intrigued by this because
I just want to know, Like obviously, like everybody just
from the accounts I was reading online, like people knew
what was happening right away, and people were visibly like
freaking out about it. So I wonder if they take
every single person off the ride and like interview them
and try to figure out what happened. I mean, this
is This is the thing though with the with like

(42:40):
certain parks that I've been to recently have been very
much like you have to leave your phone here, you
have to leave your glasses here. You should, Yeah, And
it sucks for a person like me because I can't
see without my glasses. So when I go on a ride,
like I literally can't see what's happening. But also I
don't want them to fly off of my face and
hit somebody and hurt them because you know, I mean,

(43:01):
my phone's pretty heavy, Like if I drop it on
my foot, it hurts right. Well, imagine the force of
going seventy miles an hour on a roller coaster and
it flinging at someone like, oh, totally, so something if
he didn't have the harness over his chest, that was
unprotected too, so something had to hit his chest or
his head or like I said, like, if something was

(43:22):
that bad that he had an amputation, he could have
led out from that from a from a limit amputation
or something. But I don't. I don't know if there
was any accounts of it being a bloody scene or well.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
People reported officials were told to respond to a patient
who had a laceration and when they got there, he
wasn't breathing and CPR was already in progress, and then
he was pronounced it at the hospital later.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
You know, the word laceration is like what was it
like across this frickin' neck, Like I mean exactly. The
thing is is that it have been an animal, like
a could it could have been it could have been anything,
I guess, like a beak. I don't know. I'm sure
like we'll learn more because this is obviously this is

(44:09):
going to go to trial, I assume, or they'll they
might just try to like settle it, but you'll get
more information from it because you know what's crazy to me,
there's probably people that are on that ride as we speak,
like people are just like, yeah, whatever, it's a newer ride.
I think it just opened earlier this year. But like
what I was getting at, if Louis on it, I

(44:30):
don't think.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
I feel like they went this year.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
I feel like you did. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
I feel I understand the point Louis made about the arms, right,
but like I feel like in today's day and age,
we're not talking about like Action Park where somebody's drawing
a ride on a napkin and they're not doing any
engineering testing or anything like. I would assume that point
would have been brought up in the many tests before
the ride was developed, and they would have seen it
in testing.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Yeah, and there, I'm telling you there would have been
a problem already. It's just so he had a visible laceration.
That's interesting. Yeah, I just like I hate that. I
don't know, drives me nuts.

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All right, So a teacher has been put on administrative
leave after the school found out she was a surrogate
for another family.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
All right, so what's the big part of this story.
She works at a Catholic school.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Yeah, so she works at a Catholic school, and so
apparently Catholics consider sarrogacy to be unethical. And I thought
in this source we watched today about the story that
a parent at the school made a really good point
that if you're going to put a teacher on leave
because you don't believe in sarrogacy. You also should not
accept tuition from families that have used surrogates or gone

(46:49):
through IVF.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Wasn't Mary kind of like a surrogant? Wasn't she like
holding a baby that wasn't kind of really hers the
Virgin Mary?

Speaker 4 (46:59):
Yes, you mean it's she just didn't have a spontaneous
baby that's not scientifically.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
But like what but wasn't it like I sound like
such a bad Catholic. Wasn't it like this this like
this being inside her? Like I did they really?

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Like? What?

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Was she like his mom? Or was she just like
a carrier of like of Jesus.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
So you're saying that Mary is God's surrogate?

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah, I mean if you want to pose it that way,
that's oh my god, all of these people are going
to attack me on this.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
I listen, I didn't go to Catholic school really, and
I like went to CCD and I didn't really pay attention.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
So sorry, but we're Catholic. Sorry if we're offending you,
but this is bullshit. I understand if they don't want
to cover her maternityly for a child that's not her own,
but like to say, like you don't believe insarrogacy in
this modern age is so ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Well, it goes with it goes with the religion. Let
me tell you a story, guys, this is a good story.
So I went to Catholic school in ninth grade when
I got pregnant with Maria, and they told me that
I wasn't allowed to be at the school because I
was pregnant and I couldn't be wearing a uniform pregnant
at the school. But they also told me if I

(48:25):
got an abortion that I would get kicked out. So
there you go. That's the guess Catholicism wrapped up for you.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
It's just so hypocritical.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Yeah, that's why a lot of people have a problem
with it.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
So this happened in Vineland, New Jersey, which is not
very far from where we live. I'm gonna call them out,
Saint Mary's. Everybody look them up, Saint Mary's. So this
woman that's the teacher there said she was.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Carrying a fucking baby for somebody. That's like that's like
a that's like a they're like a special saint. Yes,
like God, this is this is why I can't do it.
I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
I can't do it. Either Sorry if people are offended
by this, but if you don't think this is the
most ridiculous thing you've ever heard, you need to reevaluate
your values. So this lady is saying the teacher that
she was a surrogate for I guess the same family
when she worked at another Catholic school in Philly, and
they had no problem with it, as they shouldn't because
don't they preach acceptance.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
So we're just like family bringing life into the world. Yes,
like some people just like have their anatomy broken and
can't do it and need help anyway.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Yes, so there's no problem there. So she's now carrying
the sibling of the first child she carried, and she's
twenty five weeks pregnant, and she told the principle about it,
and that's when they decided to put her on paid
administrative leave while they investigate the situation. What's to investigate?

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Like you, we might have talked about a story. Why ago,
wasn't there something that happened that somebody got fired because
of from a Catholic school because they were like taking
birth control or there was something with the birth control.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Maybe it was the.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Insurance, the health insurance wouldn't cover birth control. I don't know,
it's something to do.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Yeah, it was something like that.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Yeah, I mean it is, it is. Everybody knows what
it is.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Like.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
It just it's just it's messed up because I think
that most normal people are like, Okay, she's clearly doing
a good deed and this is just like you, maybe
they don't want to you.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Would think carrying a child for a family that can't
do it themselves, you would be considered a good Christian,
not banished from your school that you work at. And
what does her being a surrogate have to do with
her teaching kindergardeners? She's a kindergarten teacher.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Do you think that maybe they're like, you know, because
they like to put on this front that everything's okay,
Like she she's not going home till she's not gonna
have that baby after she has it, and she's like
she might not be married whatever. Like do you think
that that's it that they care about the impression that

(51:20):
it's putting on the kids. I mean, I don't know.
I think that's a good lesson to be like, yeah,
like it's like in Fuller House when Kimmy Gibbler is
carrying the baby for Stephanie, like because she couldn't have
a baby, Like you're you're like awesome for doing that.
That's like a good thing to show people.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Well, that's what I'm trying to say, Like this, and
this is my problem with the church. I mean with
our exit, with our situation specifically, right, it's like you're
gonna get kicked out. But then again, they let my
dad stay fifty percent responsible for the friend.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Yeah, well because he played football, so that was important
to the school. I have another actualism with that too,
like when so you know, when you're Catholic, you're supposed
to baptize your child, which they encourage. But they said,
so you have to baptize this child, but you can't
do it where we normally do it because of your situation.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
So I had to dis a banstard.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
So yes, so you had to get baptized in the
rectory with like two nuns and like nobody could see it.
We were like snuck in the back door to do it.
Well that's when momm was like I'm done here.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Well exactly, and like let me tell you, any trial
coming out of me is not going through that system
because they have treated us horribly. And I think this
is another example.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
It's just weird because I think to say a blanket
statement of that. We were just talking about this with
Paul when we did the episode where he just traveled
to Indonesia and he said those people were Catholics. It's
just like it varies from place to place. Like I
know Catholic organizations that are like very welcoming of like

(53:03):
gay couples and things like that. It's just like they're
way more open minded to like what's really going on
in the world in twenty twenty five, whereas like this
particular one is just not so well.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
This this is my thing, Like I don't have a
problem with religion. I have a problem with this in
particular because they're constantly preaching this one way of life,
yet they're never living it. They're actually like the most
judgmental people most of the time truth. And that's why I.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Can't get yeah, like not yeah, I mean, I don't
want to say most I know. I know a few
religious people that are like very like selfless and kind
and and like of course they're living like I have
like like really really good friends that are like that,

(53:53):
and I always am kind of like I respect that
they they're very they're just like good people. They're like
here to help and to do good things. And then
I know some others that I'm just like, yeah, you
going to church is not helping. How shitty you are?
You know?

Speaker 1 (54:12):
If anything, it makes them where So like yeah, and
I agree with you, Like of course there's like there's
people that do live by it and are really good people,
and then there's people that use it as an excuse
to be a complete asshole. And I just think like
this is a situation of like I would be more
understanding if they were just like, since this isn't going
to be your baby, we're not going to cover your
maternity leave. But like that doesn't even seem to be

(54:34):
the case in this story. Like I just have a
moral issue with it.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Yeah, Like I mean this is the thing, Like as
far as I'm concerned, this is the law that I
always thought of, at least working in New Jersey anyway,
Like you don't legally have to tell your employer that
you're pregnant. Like cause you know, my friend Andrew I
was talking about earlier, like she she couldn't get she

(54:59):
was having problems right when she finally got pregnant with
her first baby. She didn't tell anybody at work until
she was like twenty six weeks I think twenty four
or twenty six weeks if she was. She and she's
like a little tiny nugget, so she was visibly pregnant
and like she and like nobody could ask her. Legally,

(55:22):
you can't say like are you. You can't do that,
So like she should have just went to school and
taught and just been like whatever.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Well, I think most people want to think like by
saying it, it's not going to be an issue.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Yeah, and like you want to prepare them for the
leave and everything like that, But I don't think you
have to legally tell your employer anyway. So, like, I mean,
she was trying to just do the right thing, but
clearly that backfired.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
And I really agree with the parent that said they
should not accept the tuition if they morally think it's wrong,
then you should also not allow the families to go there,
and you shouldn't take their money, Yeah, exactly, because it's
very Again, you'll take the money, but you won't have
a kindergarten teacher at work who's doing a very nice
thing for a family and need so like, God.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
My blood pressure is so Oh, we could tell, Okay,
we could tell. So last week the story came up
a mother and daughter who were pregnant by the same man,
and I was pretty sure we covered it, but I
really looked through all the backlog on the episodes.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
I don't remember talking about this.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
We couldnot find it. I could not find it anywhere.
So this story is a thing. The mother, who was
in her forties, started a relationship with the younger guy.
They moved in together, then her twenty two year old
daughter moves in with them and also starts a relationship
with the man in the house. So then they find
out they're both pregnant by him, and they're do only

(56:41):
one week apart from each other. And you would think
most people would be highly disturbed by this, but they
are pretty stoked about it.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Do you think this is real? Because I don't.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
I actually don't. Because they're both on only fans, I
got them a lot of attention, and this other information
came out that they apparently all still live in the
same house, share a bed, and that's incestuous, and I
don't believe that it's really happening.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
Oh, I think that that could happen.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
No, that could happen, but it happens in case it happens,
because this story's from like February and they were looking,
you know, pretty pregnant in the pictures and there's been
no information if these children were ever born and where
they are.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Do you think it, like, if it is real, it
could just be like holy shit, like this is actually
really terrible for everyone involved. Maybe it just like clicked
like oh yeah, my my, I can't even this kind
of shit confuses me so much. So, like her daughter

(57:42):
is having a baby, so that's her grandchild, and her
mom's having a baby, so that's her sibling.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Yeah, so her mom's baby is gonna be her sibling,
and then her daughter's baby's gonna be her grandchild but
also her kid's half sibling.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Yeah, like it's it's so weird. But I like, listen,
I didn't even know who this person was until I
looked at their names, and one of them is Jade
teen and the other one is Danny Swings. Well I'm
just like the yeah, Like I was just like whose
names like whatever, so and then I looked it up
and I was like, yeah, pretty typical of what I

(58:20):
expected to see. So it's like to me, it's just
like it. I hope, listen, I hope for society and
for just everything that this is made up.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Well, we were talking, we were joking like what if
we got right in at the same time, and a
couple of listeners set me stories that that's like really
common in Utah. I guess because Mormons have children very young,
and they often have a lot of kids, so sometimes
it will overlap where like the oldest daughter and the
mom are having kids.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
I can see that, like if you have a kid
when you're nineteen or twenty, in theory, you could have
a kid up in so you're forty something like, it's
totally possible.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's going to be
happening in our case.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
But it's not. I'm not having markets. It's pellets. I'm yeah,
the pellets will prevent me hopefully, well not really because
they're actually going to they would cause a problem, but
I have taken care of that all right.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Last story a woman issuing the hospital she worked at
after they fired her for reporting that two newborns were
given to the wrong mothers and breastfed dude.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
This hospital is you've heard me say before, horrible experience
both times I gave birth. Well guess what it was there.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Well, I'm not really surprised because I do know a
couple of people that had great experiences there, but I
feel like I know more people that had bad experiences there.
And this incident happened in the summer. So let me
go over what happened. This nurse is saying that she
arrived to her seven as shift and the night nurse
told her that two babies were brought to the nursery

(01:00:03):
overnight by request, but had since been returned to the families.
So the morning nurse starts doing her rounds, goes into
the first room, check the barcode on the bassinet and
the mother, but never actually actually checked the babies bracelet
because she was breastfeeding her about to breastfeed. Same thing
happened in the next room. She goes to a couple
other rooms, and then she goes back to the first

(01:00:24):
patient getting ready to discharge her, and the mom is
distressed because her the baby that she just breastfeeds bracelet
does not match her child's name, and then they realized
that there was a mix up.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Dude, this is a really big deal, like really really
big deal, and it honestly, I feel like there's such
safeguards in place to make this impossible to happen. And God, like,
if you've delivered with these people working there, wouldn't you
be scared that like this, Like is this the first

(01:01:01):
time this has happened?

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Well, personally, I would never go there because of other
hearts I've heard, specifically with you. But I don't under
I just I can't understand it. Like they are saying
they have these barcodes on the bes and nette on
the baby on the mother to match it. So I
don't understand what happened with the night nurse. I'm a
little more forgiving of the morning nurse, but she still

(01:01:24):
should have checked the baby, even if the baby was
being breastfed. But then again, like you know, she did
check the best net and the mom, but she was
saying she didn't want to disrupt the parent and she
didn't physically hand that baby off, So you would want
to think that the night nurse did it. But these
protocols are in place, so this doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Happen, all right, So this so she got so she
told she's the one that noticed the problem and brought
it to her supervisors, which in the hospital they always
want you to report when there's a mistake because and
that to me is a really big mistake, like a

(01:02:04):
really really really big mistake.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
A huge mistake. What if they sent the kid home
with my family?

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
I just can't, like, you know, a lot, I've heard
a lot of comments online of people saying, like, how
do you not recognize your baby? And this and that,
And it's like I get that, Like I feel like
when I had my kids, they just looked so specific
that I just know what their faces like permanently tattooed
in my mind.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
But at the same time, it's like a lot of
women are like they have the epidoral and they're coming
out of this and they're coming out of that, like
you just had a baby, obviously you don't feel great.
You're tired because you haven't slept, and like there's just
like a lot of different reasons. And when you're there
and they hand you a baby and say like here's
your baby, like you might not even question it because

(01:02:56):
like why would they give you the why would you
think you have to check the bracelet? Right? But and
and like Listen, I don't know that the mothers at
this point can really have a lawsuit because the bottom
line is is that like nothing happened. They checked both
the babies and the mothers for they checked the mothers

(01:03:17):
for infectious disease, because that would definitely be like lawsuit worthy.
Like let's say the mom had HIV or something like that, right,
one of them did and one of them did. You know,
then you're like you just exposed my baby to like
this blood borne pathogen.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Well, it's just more of a disturbing thing, right, not
necessarily like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
It's disturbing, it's disturbing, and think about like like I
would just feel so hurt and and and traumatize that
like my kid was being like smelling someone else and
like drinking someone else's milk, Like it just would upset
me so so bad. But like yeah, but like listen,

(01:03:58):
it's the same shit with me at that staatee is
that hospital, Like it totally traumatized our whole family. But
like the bottom line is like I'm still alive, and
so is Lily, and so like you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Can't do anything.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
You can't do anything, and like I don't want to
just be like, oh I like, I don't even want
to sue them. They get money for myself. I just wanted,
like I want to sue them because nobody else that
goes there even knows that that happened. And listen, the
same thing here, Nobody would have known this happened until
this nurse was like I got fired for the wrong reason.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Well exactly, and so she's claiming because she reported it,
that's why they fired her. Yeah, which is like cover.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
It up, which is not cool because like if you
want to send a message to your employees like hey,
when there's a problem, you need to report it. Listen,
I know how this hospital is though, they like want
their shit to look good, their numbers and stuff. And
I'm actually curious, like if this even got reported to
who it should have got reported to. But think about this,

(01:04:58):
This happened in when July and we're just hearing about
it now. We never would have heard about it. And
then you have to think about how many times does
this happen there that we didn't hear about things at all? Well,
like swept under the rug, swept under the rug. And
now look like like if I had a baby there
within the past year or something, I would be like
freaking out, freaking out. I'd be like, do I have

(01:05:20):
my kid? Did they switch it? Did they not check
the bracelet?

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Like because listen, like how would you? I mean, I
get what people are saying to you. I mean, obviously
I never had a baby, so like, I don't know
what it's like when you first give birth, but like
I'm thinking, like, what if a mom had a C section,
it was on all these drugs and was out of
it exactly like you're saying, like, oh, it's totally possible.
And would you even notice unless the kids started getting
older and you were like, wow, this kid looks nothing

(01:05:44):
like me or the child's father.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
No, it's I don't I would think that I would,
but I don't. I don't know, like I don't, I
don't know. I don't want to say because I've never
been in that position, but I have been in the
position of it being like in the middle of the
and then waking me up and saying like, here's your baby,
you want to feed it? And I was finally in
a dead sleep, and like, I like, I just took

(01:06:06):
the kid and stuck her on my boob. I didn't
really like like it, like you know, what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
I think this hospital presents as this like beautiful resort
brand news, state of the art, But.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
That's exactly that that that's exactly my opinion on it
is that like and I've said that, I've said that
from the beginning, like they care more about what it
looks like instead of like like I'd rather go to
the grimiest hospital ever if the people work in there,
like know what they're doing, because ultimately, like I don't
want to be at the Ritz Carlton delivering a baby,

(01:06:42):
like I want you know, we I was just talking
to you about this, like when a couple of my
friends delivered at a Pennsylvania hospital, Like they had to
share a room with somebody because it's a small city hospital.
But like those they they know their shit they're doing.
They're doing awesome work there, Like you don't care about
that kind of stuff, having your own room, your husband
can sleep in the room, Like who gives a shit?

(01:07:04):
Like I kind of want to go home with the
baby that came out of my vagina, Like sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Well, of course, I mean this is unacceptable on all levels,
and like I don't necessarily agree with them firing the
nurse that reported it, like I agree, she didn't take
this step right, but she did check something. It's not
like she walked in there and glazed over that. And
she wasn't the nurse that physically handed them off to
the wrong families. Ooh, or who did the mix up?

(01:07:31):
So like what happened to the nurse?

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
I kind of Actually I don't know if I I mean,
I know that it doesn't look good when a person
reports something and gets fired, but like the whole reason,
like I've never been a nurse, but I'm a PA
and work in a hospital, right, Like there's certain things
that you're supposed to do every time because that's how
you catch mistakes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
But they were already like in the middle of breastfeeding
when that nurse went into the room the first time,
so like it was already done.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
No, it was done, but she she didn't when she
went in. You're saying that she checked the best inet
and and then thought it was okay and then didn't
realize it until I after, like the mom picked it up,
Like when when she went in the room and saw
the basinet there and checked it. They have a list
that's like check bascinet. It's the same with us. Ready listen,

(01:08:22):
totally different situation. We get a body for autopsy, right, Yeah,
there's a toe tag that's on the bag itself. There's
a toe tag that's on the toe, and there's a
bracelet on the patient. We have to check every single
one of them if they're not the same, which has
happened a couple of times that they're not the same.

(01:08:42):
I literally had the wrong body one time in the bag.
If you don't do and I could have cut that
body if I didn't check, and I would have done
the autopsy on a completely wrong person. Because mistakes happen.
People are human, right, That's why those checks are in place.
So every single time I took a body out of
the fridge, i'd have put it on the autopsy table.

(01:09:04):
Check the bag, check or check the bag, check the
toe tag, check the bracelet, and then check the chart
and it and we have like what's called like a
time out, like me and one of the residents or something. Okay,
this is mister Jones. Yep, mister Jones, mister Jones, mister Jones. Okay,
same medical couple, digits of the medical record number yep, yep.

(01:09:25):
Same date of birth yep, yep, yep. Okay, we have
the right patient, and that's what she didn't do. Like,
I understand that she checked the bassinette, but her protocol
is to check the baby too, and she didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
No, totally, she she was still wrong. But like, did
the other nurse not give I'm assuming the other nurs.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
I'm sure I'm sure she'd I'm sure everybody that had
something to do with it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
I would agree with her.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
I feel like I feel like they should have. Yeah,
I feel like they should have maybe like reprimanded her, maybe,
And like because now because now like everybody knows what happened,
and clearly they don't like that the negative press for sure,
because and like who really saw the article? I mean

(01:10:12):
I would just be like, no, like this is a
really big deal. I'm more mad that they didn't say
anything about it when it happened.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
You know, well, yeah, and it might have been more
on our radar because you had such a bad experience there.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
So like exactly, of course, when it popped up on
the news, I was just like, oh, really, shocker.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Yeah, all right, let's move on to Questions of the Week.
Every Friday on the ap Mother Knows Death Instagram account
or on our YouTube channel. You can ask us whatever
questions you want. First, do you recall your first ever autopsy?
What was the experience like the first time? Yes, I do.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Do you mean first autopsy I ever saw or first
one I ever did?

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Maybe both? Just do a brief runner.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Okay, so the first one I ever saw was a
guy who had HIV and ended up dying from complications
from AIDS. That was cool. That was during that was
when I was still a cydotech. It was an interesting

(01:11:14):
experience because I really had only seen one dead person
prior to that in my entire life, when my uncle
died so and he was a viewing, so it just
was a different situation. And it was just very weird
because you walk into the autopsy room and this was
at Hanuman Hospital, which isn't even a hospital anymore, like

(01:11:38):
my favorite morgue of all time. Because it was on
the fifth floor and I had windows and you could
see the whole skyline. It was really cool, but you know,
there's residents there, doctors, medical students. The room was full
of like ten people, and I'm just kind of like,
there's a dead person right there, Like why are you
guys all Just like hanging around like this is nothing

(01:11:59):
and yes. So so that was that and it was cool.
I didn't even get to assist or anything. I just
like stood in the corner and just was watching and
just couldn't believe what I was looking at. And then
the very first one that I did by myself, I
would say, well, the very first one that I ever
cut was at the Medical Examiner's office on somebody that

(01:12:20):
was severely decomposed with like the maggots in the anus
and everything. It was so messy, but those people aren't
having a viewing, so they're really good to start to
practice doing incisions on first, because if you don't do
it perfect, you know they're not going to have a viewing.
So that was the very first one I cut. And

(01:12:40):
then the very first one that I cut by myself
was a cardiac tamp and I was the cause of death.
And that was that was like really exciting to work
with the pathol just on that because I didn't I
had never seen it in real life. But when I
took the chest plate off, I was like, oh my god,
this is so cool, like I knew what it was so.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
All right too. If a woman dies, do you check
to see if she's pregnant during an autopsy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
I mean we don't. We're not when I opened the uterus,
I'm not looking for that. But like if we saw it,
we would see it if it was there, Like at least,
I don't know what they do for medical examiner cases
because like let's say a person gets shot, like a
woman gets shot, a child bearing age woman gets shot

(01:13:24):
in the head. They might they I don't. I don't
know if they're gonna take out the uterus and like
open the uterus and stuff. They probably do, they just
don't do a thorough as an autopsy as you do
in a medical institution most of the time at the
emmy's office, because like if they could determine the cause
of death, then but what if like she was pregnant

(01:13:47):
and like that's why she got killed. I don't know,
or like is that what you were gonna say?

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
No, Like couldn't it be like double homicide if you
kill an unborn bait? Like yeah, Like I don't, I
don't know, Like I'm a like, I just don't know
what they do there because when I went there, it
was like we didn't always look at every single organ
like that, like certain places. It just depends which one,
because some places are just like we just want to

(01:14:13):
find out the cause of death. We have a cause
of death. This person out a cardiac TAMPAA. That's how
we died.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
We don't need to be examined in their prostate land
and stuff like the hospital though for sure, like we
take all the organs out, we cut them open, and
we look and we even look at them under the microscope,
whereas the medical examiner won't always do that as well.
So yeah, I've never seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
We did.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
I believe when I was in surgical pathology at some
point in my education that there was a case that
there was a hysterectomy done and there was a fetus inside,
and that was like I remember it being like a
really huge deal. But I wasn't personally involved in the case,
so I just kind of tried to like eavesdrop but

(01:14:59):
stay out of it. And it was it was like
while I was still in school, so I wasn't like
one hundred percent of like what was happening and stuff.
And but yeah, all.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Right, three, why do you think women are more into
true crime than men?

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
I don't. I don't know, to be honest, it's definitely
a thing. We could say one hundred percent is a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
I think a lot of it is, like you know,
I think a lot of it is like disbelief that
that happens, and just like the pure fascination of that.
And then I also think, like, for me, what I
like the most is the investigation component because I like
seeing how like all the pieces get put together.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Do you think it's because women like like drama.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
Well, sure, that's a huge element.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Like for example, sometimes Gabe will tell me something about
one of his friends or something at work or something,
and I'm and then like, my first question is like, well,
what happened, Like, tell me what happened? And he's like,
I don't know. Believe me, I don't know. I don't know.
They just got divorced. I don't know. He went to

(01:16:10):
jail for the night. And I'm like, well, why what happened? Oh,
I don't know? Like women have this like no, I
want to know everything. I need to know every single
detail of this, like how did this go down? Men
like like I'm I'm I'm being totally sexist here, but listen,
crime con it's palpable. It's definitely like every single I

(01:16:33):
think there were two men that came up to me
the entire time that were by themselves. Yeah, now with
their literally two men. Lots of other men were with
a wife or a girlfriend. But and And like the
majority of men that I talked to were presenters. Yes,
not not there, it's and And Gabe went with us

(01:16:55):
to crime Con last year and he said the same thing.
He was just like, yo, this is like all chicks here.
He noticed it right away. My analytics on Instagram eighty
seven percent female. There's something about it obviously that like
you know, there's something, there's something to it, and I
just wonder what that is. Not to say that, because

(01:17:17):
there are lots I know, lots of men that are
like very inquisitive and stuff. But another thing to consider
too is that in my profession as a pathologists assistant,
it's mostly at least when I went to school, and
stuff like heavy heavy female, like back in the day
it was male, and then like now I would say

(01:17:39):
that the field is heavily female.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Well, let me use this as an example, like this
morning I go to Ricky, did you hear about that
girl that was found in that Sanger's car? No, he
hasn't heard of it of course, which I'm like, it's
all over the news. How have you not heard of it?
And then he's just like, oh, that sucks, not like
how did she get there? What was their deal? Why
was she dating an older guy? Like I feel like

(01:18:04):
women just naturally are so much more inquisitive and curious. Dude?
Did they just saying that the answers?

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
I said to the girls, We're all sitting down eating
dinner last night, and I said, did you ever hear
of this singer guy David? Because he's like a social
media He's like he has like an unusual way of
being a singer, Like I think he made a bunch
of videos and yeah, he like backdoored it kind of right.
So so of course they're like, I mean they like

(01:18:31):
spit off the whole story. To me, I was like,
I just wrote about this all day and you literally
know every single detail of it, Like it's it's insane
because their girl, that's just like how they are, Whereas
like if you were talking to a boy, I think
that they would just be like, oh, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
On the other hand, my husband could give me every
step of every person that's ever played on the Philadelphia
flyers for the last thirty five years.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
But otherwise no interesting, no.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Question, No, it's true.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
So I think that that's why I think also like
women tend to be and this is just like general
because I know that some guys are are like that too,
but women tend to be more emotional. So like you,
if you watch a movie that's like like a romance

(01:19:18):
movie or anything, like, you cry, right, You're just like
you get invested in the story and you feel like
you you cry because you feel like personally affected by it, right,
Like dudes don't always get bothered by that kind of stuff.
It's just like it's like the whole like women are
or men are from Mars, women are from Venus. Thing like,

(01:19:40):
there is something to be said about that that. Like
people can cross over for sure and have different like
I think like I have way more like male things
like that than the average chick, right, but like for
the most part, there's like a different way of thinking
about things and reacting to things.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
It is interesting to think about. Okay, guys, Next Friday,
we are gonna be at the Wildlife CSI at Lake
to Buy Us Wildlife Park, and then the following weekend
I will be volunteering at the Keeping Hope Alive Golf Classic,
and the weekend after that we will have a live
show at Darkside, New Jersey in Edison.

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You have to tell them about the Mother Nos Death
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golf carts.

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Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
See you, guys, thank you for listening to Mother Nos Death.
As a reminder, my training is as a pathologist assistant.
I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy
and pathology education. I am not a doctor and I
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