September 25, 2025 • 35 mins
Kevin and Casey unbutton their silk shirts and dive deep into Gerardo’s Rico Suave — a Spanglish fever dream that somehow influenced both Razor Ramon and a generation of horny middle schoolers. Kevin recalls its inescapable 1990 reign, Casey uncovers Gerardo’s post–suave pivot to pastor, and together they ask: is this song misogyny in a mesh tank top… or just deeply misunderstood meat-based poetry?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Give it a chance, Give it a chance. Give it
a chick. Come morning, Give it a chance, Give it
a chance, give it a chance, Give.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
It a chance, come morning, Give it a you want
to give it a chance, Give it a chance, give
it a chance.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Just wow, reach out and touch case. Ah. Remember your
stance reminded me of that. You remember.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I don't welcome Kevin thevill coleman, and welcome to you,
and peace be with you and also with you.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm opposite a piss to see you today, and I'm
excited to jump into this episode. Typically, i'll give you
a bunch of little hints and you have to guess, Okay,
I don't know enough about this tune that means you
should still try.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Okay, Great, Okay, great.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I hope you're not Tony Soprano, because they're gonna the
government will have this kind of case against you.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Rico oh, Rico, Gerardo.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, I actually it's funny, said Gerardo. I don't even
I don't know anything about this song. I haven't done
my due diligence. I'm going in as cold as possible.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I like that for you because you usually I feel
like you don't get to have the same op I
get to have and this is not quite the same,
but it's close.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
It's close. But no, yo.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
This also is evidence of first of all, of your
character and the flaws there no, no, this is evidence
of the This is where the age gap between us
comes into play.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
This is fun, fun era for me.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I remember this was like a ubiquity. I want to say,
this is what nineteen ninety it was that when Rico
Swave comes out one ninety two, ninety ninety one, I'm going.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
To bet and go say so see ninety ninety Okay,
so I feel like it was December.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Ninety hit single from his nineteen ninety one album. So
unless it was just it came out the gate banging.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
It might have been also like yeah, they could have
led the record with the single and then the single
hit and they were like, let's put an album out.
I feel like this was everywhere. When I was in
exactly sixth seventh grade, this would have been like every dance.
It was on MTV and v H one. My brother
and I used to Also, there was a thing in
(02:35):
on cable the box. Do you remember the box? You
could like vote for videos you could.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Remember the box? Yeah, A glorse in my brain.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, they had like codes and you could like, you know,
you would like very rudimentary, like you use your landline
and call in number and punch in the code and
that then you'd wait and that would be like the fifth.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Red flo.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I'd like to listen to Mozart please, musical guest motes
are but yeah, but there was, there was, but that
was like I feel like Rico Suave was like every
third yo for two months on the box too. Anyway, Wow,
you're bringing me back case, bringing.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Me back to it was a summer and ninety world.
All right, let's let's jump in. I'm really excited.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I don't know if I'm sure I've heard it at
some point, but I don't. I don't know, So listen
with us folks about to.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Hear it today.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Swaby. I think there's like another minute and fifteen seconds
of just Rico Suave happening. Okay, no notes, Thanks guys,
thanks for listening. How how good is your Spanish?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Oh great question, I thank you taking it to I
took Spanish starting in I think like fourth or fifth grade,
and so I know the you know, bare minimum. I say, ola,
and I tell my daughter, we're going to a squai
a lot every day.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I can catch certain words, like you know.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
But it's funny actually you mentioned that because when we
Lisa and I went to Mexico City, my wife Lisa,
and on the way she was like, I was like,
I was like, it might be tough if there's like
a lot of I didn't know how you know, bilingual
it would be and she was like, well it should
be fine. I mean like I I went to Spain
(04:42):
and like, I I feel like I can speak pretty well.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I was like, WHOA so impressed.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
And we got into the very first cab from the
airport and Lisa attempted Spanish and the gentleman was like,
it's good, was coming.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And Lisa was.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Like okay, and who is here? And she was like
you speak English immediately. And we laugh about it all
the time, like she kept trying to, like we'd go
to a restaurant and she'd attempt and then they would
start talking and it's just too fast. I think it's
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like when of course, like all you learn in school
is just like you know, Puerte or Elbanio, right, like
it's so slow, and so when you actually are faced
in this situation, it's very difficult.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
And there's also dialectical differences too.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I feel like, if you're like in Mexico, or if
you're in South America whatever various countries in Central and
South America, or if you're in Spain, what's being it's
it's like, you know, radical dialectical differences or whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Time no, And I feel like that's so true and.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
So funny and soon keeping with my experience, and why
I ask is because I wonder I do feel a
little bit like my chancy is compromised. I also took
Spanish from sixth grade forward. I can speak it uno
and I can like kind of get kind of get
through like at least very basic and then enough to
(06:09):
be like do you speak English? Or be like how
do you say this word? Or whatever. But I I
have had the same experience Lisa had where I was like,
I thought I was cool, and it also it feels
like all of a sudden you're like skating way way
out on super and nice. All of a sudden you're like, actually,
I don't know what the fuck I'm doing at all.
So but with the song, I'm like, I there's a
(06:30):
whole bunch of lyrical content that I can kind of
guess at but I would need to sit down and
like plug into a translator.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
With Google Translator. I mean, is that I think I
pick it?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I think I pick it up from the English because
this is as known as Spanglish. Like that you're going,
James Brooks, is that is the movie if you go back,
if you're going back and forth between English and Spanish
like this, this is where it's a Spanglish song. It'd
be really funny because like you know, obviously there's a character.
(06:59):
I'll just give it credence of the English lyrics that
I know that he's saying in some some some choice words,
and it is so funny. If the Spanish stuff, it's
like totally redeeming of it all.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
That's what I'm just going to say.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Like if the rest of it was like yeah, like
some kind of like Nobel laureate like yeah, yeah, like this.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Spanish, but it's like, but the truth is that all
comes from insecurity. Yeah yeah, so redeeming of like or
like that's great, that's what white people are.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Like, but really, yeah, we have so much more.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
There's a deep down fear that causes me to act
this way. Yeah, totally, no I do feel like, I mean,
that's the primary thing. It's so funny when it first
of all, it is like I get that this was
we might have just listened to, like the not.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Single edit.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I do feel like the first thing I would say
is like, I would be totally cool if this song
was like there's ninety seconds less of it, I think
would be more effective. I think when they go back
to the second bridge and then another when they bring
the bridge.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Back, bridge rules. Though bridge is great the first.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Time, the second time it comes back, I'm like, why
is this happening? And then it's just another minute and
ten seconds of the chorus over that beat.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
If this was the extended dance version, right, that would
be a different situation. But we're talking pop radio, Babe,
make the right cuts, kill your darlings.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
And I'm certain they did make those cuts. I mean,
that was my first It's not really important, I guess. Also,
it's like sometimes I do realize when we start, I'm like,
you're talking about Rico Suave as though you wanted to conform,
Like I got to watch the part of me that
like that's for people to be dancing to in a
dark room, Whether you're a seventh grader at your first
dance or whatever, or you're like someone at a club
(08:40):
in nineteen ninety and like, no one gives a shit
how long the chorus goes on for if they're into
the beat, you know what I mean, there's no one
sitting there being like, you know, structurally speaking, I think
it's kind of lame they did. They went back to
the bridge again.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Okay, yeah, you know that guy for this song? I do, Yeah,
I am in.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
But I think the biggest thing, Look, it's a very serviceable,
very fun it's the Beats, great slight earworm for sure.
There's a reason it was such an ubiquity.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Chorus is incredible, and.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
You know, there are some issues that have aged, some
stuff has aged poorly, but I always with that stuff too.
I'm like, what do you want to talk do we
want to talk about it in the context of nineteen
ninety Do you want to talk about it stuff right now?
And also like I don't know, guys, maybe now someone
be like, oh he's got swag.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Right, yeah, I hate confidence. I personally see this. It
is a wrestling intro. It's one hundred percent so good.
A Shawn Michael's back.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I'm not sure it meets Razor Ramon intro even the music.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It is it is that is Razor Ramone basically was
like that guy. I was like, what if I because
he was a white dude named Scott Hall. To the
best of my awareness, what if he was like I
think he was like, yo, you know, it'd be cool
if I did like a Rico suave scarface thing, but
as a wrestler. Yeah, yeah, but I think it's possible.
I think there was there. Definitely Scarface was the was
(10:21):
one of the influences. There was something else. Maybe it
was this. I'm trying to remember what year Razor Ramone dropped,
ninety two, ninety three somewhere it is right, so it
must have been. It was like Diesel Hitman, Sean Michaels
I get. I like they were going into.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
This, oh.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah yeah Razor yeah, so yeah, so one hundred percent.
This is definitely influencing it. And I believe he's talked
about that. I love Scott Hall, Scout Halls like, and
Razor Ramone is like my favorite wrestler.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Who's my Mom's amazing? That's so good. I love I
love him, I miss him.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I he like yeah, a lot of demons and stuff like,
but I think he was like a really smart, cool wrestler.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
It's interesting Rico Suave Girardos And that's a funny thing too.
By the way, people used to call Girardo Rico Suave.
I remember that so clearly, like people would like it
was his name, like I thought it was Save.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And he would be like, it's actually Gerardo.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
But I feel like Girardo at least in the English
parts of this. The wrapping is a little do the
Bart man esque, like it's definitely got that. Yeah, so
we've got Girardo influenced by Bart Simpson influencing Scott Hall.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
That's a real late eighties early.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Nineties like wormhole, Like something's gonna open up beneath my
feet right now and I'll be deposited, like wrestling Doink
the Clown on Saturday afternoon on five p at twelve
pm or whatever on Channel five. This is I don't
(12:02):
know if this is chance or anti chance. This is
a little chaotic I have had since nineteen ninety. Cinco
say so siyet de la maniana in my head from
this song somewhere in my head, like I'll be walking
around at a grocery store and hear myself say like
Cinco say societe de la maniana.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
But I thought he said like, I don't get up early.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I thought he said like something like no melee temprano,
which might not even be the correct Spanish, but he
says something like your daughter is in good hands, which
is like like.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
But you know, how do we want to approach it?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Like what maybe it's maybe it's time for you to
step up to the plate here because I feel like, well,
I'm trying to figure out the right way in okay.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
So one way in his Beastie Boys, right and like
the early BC boys stuff is it's not it's not
far from this, you know, totally.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
The thing is that Girardo what's his name?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Not Rico Sabe, it's his artist's name. Is Gerardo his
real name? We don't know, do we know?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
If it's Rico Swave, that would be so funny thing?
What was Gerardo's real name?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
But is it going to do the It's Gerardo Ernesto
Mahia Aguilera.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Oh cool, so Christina, yeah yeah, yeah so.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
And by the way, sorry, the first question that comes
up is was Rico Suave a real person. Yeah, it
was not named Rico Slave, but it was a real person.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
But his real name was Gerardo. That was they just
cut off the three middle and last names. So all right,
please contend.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Uh so BC boys and in this case he's a
Beastie Chico is uh my entry point in terms of
like I think that if Gerardo had follow ups that
were as cool as the Beastie Boys, did he follow up?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Keep going if I mean we just right now, we
don't know, but like I don't imagine that, like you know,
his stuff became as you know, prolific as.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Oh, you don't imagine that Gerardo had the BACI Boys.
I think you are correct on that front, my friend.
I think that's very safe to say.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
So I think that, my so, that's like an anti
Chancey is that? Like I think they're like a redeemable
story like what the BCI Boys have.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
He doth not.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Very interesting that you bring up redemption though. Case for today,
the tables have turned and I find myself as the
Chancey researcher emeritus.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
And as I and as I look on a little
known online resource called wiccan Pedia, guess what happens to.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Gerardo Mahia after his as a recording artist and Mary's
Kathleen Hannah.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
And becomes educated on Riot Girl and post third wave
radical feminism. No, a different path towards enlightenment. He became
a Christian pastor.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
Now boom, Now that could have been his redemsion song
or we don't know what kind of Christian pastor he is.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
And I don't want to get into controversy on the
chance to you always do you know I do? But look,
there's obviously there are good There are Christian pastors who
are emulating Christ, and then there are Christian pastors who,
it seems are emulating Rambo or something. I don't know,
two different, two different things. So we don't know what Gerardo.
I've never been to one of his services. Oh, I
(15:41):
will go, now, I will go.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I feel like we just did one of his services.
We just listened to an entire service.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
That's one of his that's one of his service. This
is actually what's funny is it says in nineteen ninety.
This came out in twenty twenty two, So I don't know.
You're right though, the beast boy that is a great
that is probably.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Like, well, the only opposite of that is like one
of his first lyrics is I don't drink or smoke.
I ain't no dope, won't try no coke. Ask me
how I do it? I cope.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
So that's pretty anti beastie boys.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And of the first record, well, what he's saying there
is he's that's more like Ian Mackay his minor threat Fugazi.
He's coming out saying I'm straight edge, you know, or
even like Jonathan Richmond and that a hippie Johnny song,
I'm straight, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
He's saying I don't need a crutch.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I just cope.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I get through.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
But what we've come to find through the later twentieth
century into the twenty first century and the evolution of
you know, for instance, twelve step recovery programs outside of
alcoholics anonymous, is that his addiction, which he says and
I quote and I apologize to Casey and the chancers,
but he does say his addiction is to the female
specie and he eats the raw like sushi, And so
(16:57):
he may benefit from other kinds of twelve step programs,
for instance.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
About sex and love and lust.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
I don't know. Maybe that's how Gerardo became a pastor
pastor pasta. That's a different podcast universe. Look that up
if you want to. I'm not going to tell you
where to go.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
What's what's the other way to to eat a woman
that's not raw like.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Cooked or yeah or like like cannibal elect.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Right right right? Is there a protection? Is there? Protect?
Remember there.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
There is a lot of craziest episode yet so far,
and we're only halfway through.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
The Rico Suave episode that's rich and smooth. I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
Was there?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
It wasn't There isn't There wasn't There isn't there like
a oral protection, especially in the nineties, for like remember
that that was like a.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, yeah, like you mean for like for sorry, let's
just let's just spit facts if you talk to be
a cunning linguist.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yes, yes, well yeah, like something with like like even
a Saran Rappers.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I believe that what was what was? And and Casey
and I for the uninitiated, we both went to the
same all boys Catholic high school on Staten Island, so different,
we were never there at the same time. I don't
believe famously was there with Dan. I played lacrosse with him, correct,
But I think Dan was a senior when you were
a freshman.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Huh, and I beat him up? You whipped?
Speaker 3 (18:28):
He asked. And I know that when Dan was a freshman,
I was a senior, So I was.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Like, oh, okay, so you were like forty five first
time I was twelve, exact.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
But I'm fair.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
So I don't think any saran rappers being discussed by
mister Insigno in our health classes.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Teacher.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yes, but I do think that there was a ninety
yes in like a safe sex forward nineties cultural discussions.
I actually do think that saran rap was discussed as
a like wait to perform safe oral sex in that direction.
I don't know if I've heard anybody talk about that recently.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
You know, he's not using this round wrap. He's going
raw like sushi. But he's not into tempora, so he
doesn't cook no women.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
No no, no, no, no, he's not. Look he's not. He's so.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
So this is what he's basically telling you in early
in ninety which is he like, that's that's you know,
it's fucking complicated, dangerous time he's telling you why don't
used to run rap? And then he tells you this
is really I wonder if this will get us banned
from further ups. Yeah, he will not.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
No, this is all fine.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Look, we have to be able to talk about this
stuff as a society, as a cult exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
We're doing what Christian pastors would want us to do.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
It's what Look, it's what Christian pastures pastures would wants.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Saying.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
He's saying three things right there. He's telling you he
doesn't do drugs. He's telling you he's into minor threat.
He doesn't drink and do drugs. He's straightedge. He does
have an addiction to it.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
To women.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
He eats them more like sushi. He doesn't eat he
doesn't cook them. So he's telling you he's not going
to use some roundrap. But he's also not how to blect.
That's what you get from that. He's not he's not
a cannibal. Yeah, but he's also not he's also not
practicing safe sexy.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
That's true. Oh so that's interesting. Yeah, hmm, I think.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
This is I just really want to flag for everybody listening,
this is probably the best episode you'll ever hear us. Okay,
so that's that. But being forward from there, I think
you bringing up moving forward from there.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
That was the most elegant transition available.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I think you bring up the Beast Boys is a
great point as a lens through which to look at
any of this stuff. It's happened for us a few
times where we've gone backwards to look at certain like
I think there was a Backstreet Boys song Larger than
Life we listened to where they were talking to their
fans in a way that was a little like, eh, yeah,
there was definitely that not song we listened to at
one point. There's a few that we've listened to that
were like, yes, totally, which, by the way, that that
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was the first time we had to preempt the episode
with a with a park service announcement, has enough time
passed to let the camera to let the up on
that takes because somebody I feel like it might have
been a musical collaborator of mine. So when we have
to have to do this, it can be a sixty
second and capsule thing.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
But we did the episode.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
It was unplanned and and totally wild, like just just
accident of fate.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
We did crazy Town.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Butterfly is one of our first ten episodes probably and
literally in the I think it was the day we
were about to publish the episode, it came out that
the singer of that band who's who, I don't remember
their real name, but their stage name was Shifty shell
Shock passed away. I have my eyes closed. I cannot
even look at Casey right now as I.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Talk about this.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
And so we had a moment where we're like, this
is insane, given like the light hearted nature of what
we're doing on this podcast, but we probably have to
address that because it's literally like we're publishing it the
day after this person passed away.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
And so I was totally like, I thought like, oh,
I can handle that.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Like I've had to sort of thread some narrow spaces
and I could do that. So right before we start
the episode casing, I was like, right, cool, I'll just
say a little quick thing about how we had and
planned that.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
And there was not a smirk to be found prior
to this. No, we were like, let's do this Ernest.
It was Ernest.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Of course it was because it was Ernest goes to space.
It was Ernest uses around wrap because we were definitely
like that's a real thing and whatever. And it, dude,
the minute I feel like I got like the first
like sentence or two out, like I was like so
something funny we've never had to deal with obviously on
the podcasts, pretty new thing, you know whatever. But we
(22:58):
just got the news that and then when I got
to it got the news.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
That, I was like inconsolable.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
It was like church when you're six years old or
something and someone farts, like like you, I could not
put it together. I was like almost I was like
on the ridge tears laughing. So far we must have
done like twenty of I don't know a bunch of them.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
The first one that was was real brute. It was incredible.
It was it was when you got to to Shifty
shell shock.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
It was your name, I possible, yeah how and I'm
so sorry. I'm so sorry to Shifty to family, to friends,
to fans. But it was just when I got up
to it, like the absurdity of we are effectively hosting
like a sort of comic in tone podcast where we
talk and then other things we extrapolate in other directions,
but we it's light. We talk about mostly like novelty
(23:53):
singles or something like bordering on that or like whatever,
and then I love Casey just is like I gotta go.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
But we we basely are like doing that and now.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
We're talking about we were crafting a public service announcement
about an artist who passed away unexpectedly where we happened
to be doing.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
His band is a church laugh. It's a true church laugh.
It's you're not supposed to laugh anyway.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, I'm sorry to go at such length, but it was.
We've never talked about it on the podcast since. And
I have a friend who's a collaborator who I must
have sent.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Videos Kevin, and well it's Kevin. We said it to
Brian and Stramberg.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Brian Bonds and Mike Stramberg, who are both friends of
each of ours and have played music with both of us,
and like you know, inter sanct in people, I def
two of the funniest people on earth. And I sent
also to my friend Caroline, who I have this band
Funambulist with who plays as brother Bird because she's fucking hysterical,
and she brought it up to me like last week
(24:51):
for the first time. She's like, we've never talked about
when you sent me the video of you incapable of
presenting the rest in bees or whatever anyway that.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Being said you present It's like it's like when a
news anchor like has like breaks, it's like it's it's
that's what that's what it was, And those are incredible
when when a news anchor is saying something that's important
and breaks, it's some of the best content that's ever
existed on the Internet's what the internet's.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
For, the purity of it is unbeatable. You are laughing
from the purest place from which you will ever laugh.
You're like, it's like it was like uncontrollable.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
It's on Kevin's Patreon now, yeah, you can pay to
watch it. There are great lens though, the Vast.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Boys, because I do think and that's why you broughte
it up. It's not like a novel thought what they
the arc of their career with respect to the kind
of like uh, you know, whether it's play full or not,
but like misogynistic, patriarchal, reinforcing lyrical content of their earlier
(26:07):
music and their earlier video content and their earlier kind
of like you know whatever, like fucking young, brash whatever.
They really present a model for like what it can
be like. I don't think the BC Boys got less fun.
Their music can maintained like a group kind of like energetic,
(26:28):
but what they did get was like.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I would say, you know, they they.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Wiser and and and and more like a wider view
of of of of the world. And and they got
that through aging, they got that through like education, they
got that through yeah, partners and other uh you know,
cultural and and social influence. And they I think it
was like they were never I never got the sense
that it was performative, that they were just kind of like, yeah,
(26:55):
that was that was that was us in that moment.
And now I look at that moment and I see
like that wasn't cool, And I thought it was very
matter of fact, and I thought it was very well handled.
And I think they've presented a model. It's not like
some like fucking tripping over yourself seventeen thousand word notes
apology that ends up bringing like totally hollow in its
over verbosity or whatever. It's actually just kind of like
(27:17):
straight into the point. And then there was like a
living amend's quality to it too, where they're just like
that was like, well, we're not going to do that
moving forward, and they didn't, you know what I mean,
I think that's now I have no idea what Gerardo's like,
I have no idea what a lot of people who
but I know that I always thought that was like,
arguably the coolest thing about the Beastie Boys was actually
(27:37):
that they had that come to Jesus moment. And I
know that Gerardo came to Jesus too, and we reserve
the right to go to one of his sermons and
find out where he's at now.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Very true.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
You know, it's interesting to think about other people that
like went to maturity or didn't, you know, like you know,
I'm trying to think Eminem, you know, is is he
didn't reach the same heights I think of the Beastie Boys.
But I definitely think and I also think he never
(28:11):
really and maybe I think the BC Boys did. I
don't know if Eminem really ever apologized or anything or
totally regret it, because I don't think it's in his
nature to be like he's more like that's who I was.
Then Yeah, he might have said like that's what being
on a lot of drugs can do.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I think, right, I think that it seems to me
like he's an interesting case because he I don't know
that I've I've heard him say things that were kind
of like I would put them as like relatively lukewarm
walkings back of the most like violent, misogynistic, homophobic, you know.
But I also think, and I do think he kind
(28:49):
of did evolve somewhat from the like flimsy which I
was as a twenty year old fascinated with this like
Hall of Mirrors whatever thing, because I think a lot
of people were, but it was ultimately in retrospect, it's
like a little flimsy to be like, I'm not saying
that my character is saying that, Like there's a degree
to which it's like right, and does a twelve year
old kid listening to that have like the same degree
(29:10):
of discernment as the thirty year old man writing it does?
And if there's ten million, it just gets into that
whole fuzzy thing about the influence of media and behavior.
But I do think I think he seems to have
I feel like he wants to have it both ways,
because I feel like he kind of like has these
moments where he kind of like speaks to a kind
of like evolution and maturity and you could sort of
(29:30):
see that. Then he'll like, because he knows it connects
and sells, he'll put out like the Marshall Mathers record three,
where he's like doing all of that shit again in
the songs.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
I think he kind of like wants to be able
to dance back and forth between that, whereas I don't
think the Beastie Boys did that, and then we're like actually, and.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Then on the next record it was like Girls two
or whatever, you know what I mean, Like that's true.
I do think.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Most people kind of double down in the I think
a lot of people it's almost like they double down
in the opposite direction where it's like they've been they
feel sort of like ostracized or called out, and so
what they do is kind of sort of be like, well,
you know what, fuck you even like smart forward thinking
of people I think in other ways. And then that
becomes strange because then they're kind of marooned in this
(30:17):
place where they still have a lot of fans, but
they're kind of like you can tell it's not the
fans they want to have. It's almost like they become
these embittered versions of themselves, because it's like people who
like they were kind of they kind of made their
bones in the beginning being critical of or lampooning, and
then they end up becoming owned by those people because
that's the only that's like the last house on the block.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Does that make sense? You know what I'm saying, which is,
I think a very dark place to land.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
And there's a few artists I'm thinking of and specific
across a few different mediums that I probably won't say
for just it's not necessary. But yeah, I think there's
like there's a darkness down there for sure, and I
think the light is actually from like being able to
be like, Yo, that wasn't cool.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I've grown up since then, you know. I love how
we've gotten this from Ricos swathing. Yeah it's insane, but anyway.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, I've definitely seen people like doctor dre regret. It
was just related to Eminem somewhat regret as his father
and he's his dad and his doctor, which is strange.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
There's boundary issues there for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
That's as a as a as a kid who's had
a doctor as a mom.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I understand that you act right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
She doc, but he you know, he doctor traded a
lot of bad stuff and you know, apologize to a
lot of it, trying to move forward.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
You know, Yes, there's nothing wrong with that. That's like
if like I think that's like the best fucking thing
we can do. And I don't mean in a real
embodied way, to be like, because then you get to
tell the whole story and it's all in the room.
It's okay, it's like, yeah, this this happened, and this happened,
and this happened, and it's all a picture of a person,
not just the best or worst or most airbrushed or
(32:00):
most you know, edited in either direction, edited like like
focused in upon or edited out version of the person. Anyway,
we have to do some more research about Girardo's current whereabouts.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
But with respect to the song, yeah, I'd like to
talk about some of the music.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
But yeah, no, I was going to say, I was
gonna say, I like the bridge. Bridge surprised me. Great
percussive stuff going on. Really fun club song. This listen,
imagine us, me and you hanging out in ninety, right,
said Fred ends this one comes on next. I mean,
we're dancing all day. We're dancing all day.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Case it's true, I'm definitely I'm ten years old and
I'm having a I'm like going crazy.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
You're like, you're not ten in ninety I was ten.
I was ten. I five. Oh my god, I was five.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I don't even I'm watching you while your mom has
to go do something at the store, and I'm like, yo,
how am I going to take care of this kid?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
And I just put on these songs that we dance.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
My mom's a doctor, she's probably working to go.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
So your what you're saying is your mom was my
mom's boss and you so your mom said to my mom.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Hey, your son has to watch my kid, and my
mom said, oh okape, And I'm like, my mom's your
mom's boss. Yeah, And then I go and your mom's like,
I gotta go to the store. Busstead the scope back
said Kevin, we watch case and then I go over
and You're like, what are you going to do?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Entertain me?
Speaker 1 (33:26):
And then I put on these songs and we dance
all day. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
That actually probably happened to some kid like like this
was probably, like you said, the it was ubiquitous, and
I'm sure children and adults it was like it was
like Cape Hoop Demon Hunters of the time.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
It was dude.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
My memory is that this was like an inescapable, like
a meme before they were memes, and an inescapable song.
I feel like I heard this song as much as
I mean any other like that, whatever, other six or
ten like massive, massive, massive songs.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
In that moment, I think my when I when I
was ten, I think the song around then was I
like to move it, move it.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Oh, it's same, same vibe, which is I like to
move it, move it. But I always thought it sounded
like and now it was crazy. What did you think
it sounded like? I like to move it, move it.
Speaker 7 (34:21):
It does kind of like to movid he's doing when
so Mari one time came home, my daughter came home
from daycare and started singing I Like to move and
move in like a.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Completely different version but also wrong. It's really good.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
But I was like, how do you know it? And
I guess there was a will I am version? I
came out and it's like, yes.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yo, that's that's so funny. That's so funny. It's so true.
And also I love those moments where you're like, wait,
how do you know that? With your kid? This isn't
song related?
Speaker 3 (34:52):
But Edie used to authentically think that Benjamin Franklin's name
was origemin Franklin.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Which you have to end it on that because it's
just the cutest. Also, everybody listen, song is the cutest.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah, this song is the cutest and the best and everybody, really,
what we want you to do today is, if there's
something you've got to own from your past, own it
just like DC's and dressed in shell shock and yeah,
shifty shell shock. And if you are one of Gerardo's flock,
let us know what he talks about.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Right, let's give it. Give it a chance at our
arkfark dot now
Speaker 3 (35:34):
One two, buckle my shoe, say good bye.
Give it a chance, Give it a chance. Give it
a chick. Come morning, Give it a chance, Give it
a chance, give it a chance, Give.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
It a chance, come morning, Give it a you want
to give it a chance, Give it a chance, give
it a chance.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Just wow, reach out and touch case. Ah. Remember your
stance reminded me of that. You remember.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I don't welcome Kevin thevill coleman, and welcome to you,
and peace be with you and also with you.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm opposite a piss to see you today, and I'm
excited to jump into this episode. Typically, i'll give you
a bunch of little hints and you have to guess, Okay,
I don't know enough about this tune that means you
should still try.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Okay, Great, Okay, great.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I hope you're not Tony Soprano, because they're gonna the
government will have this kind of case against you.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Rico oh, Rico, Gerardo.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, I actually it's funny, said Gerardo. I don't even
I don't know anything about this song. I haven't done
my due diligence. I'm going in as cold as possible.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I like that for you because you usually I feel
like you don't get to have the same op I
get to have and this is not quite the same,
but it's close.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
It's close. But no, yo.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
This also is evidence of first of all, of your
character and the flaws there no, no, this is evidence
of the This is where the age gap between us
comes into play.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
This is fun, fun era for me.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I remember this was like a ubiquity. I want to say,
this is what nineteen ninety it was that when Rico
Swave comes out one ninety two, ninety ninety one, I'm going.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
To bet and go say so see ninety ninety Okay,
so I feel like it was December.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Ninety hit single from his nineteen ninety one album. So
unless it was just it came out the gate banging.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
It might have been also like yeah, they could have
led the record with the single and then the single
hit and they were like, let's put an album out.
I feel like this was everywhere. When I was in
exactly sixth seventh grade, this would have been like every dance.
It was on MTV and v H one. My brother
and I used to Also, there was a thing in
(02:35):
on cable the box. Do you remember the box? You
could like vote for videos you could.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Remember the box? Yeah, A glorse in my brain.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, they had like codes and you could like, you know,
you would like very rudimentary, like you use your landline
and call in number and punch in the code and
that then you'd wait and that would be like the fifth.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Red flo.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I'd like to listen to Mozart please, musical guest motes
are but yeah, but there was, there was, but that
was like I feel like Rico Suave was like every
third yo for two months on the box too. Anyway, Wow,
you're bringing me back case, bringing.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Me back to it was a summer and ninety world.
All right, let's let's jump in. I'm really excited.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I don't know if I'm sure I've heard it at
some point, but I don't. I don't know, So listen
with us folks about to.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Hear it today.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Swaby. I think there's like another minute and fifteen seconds
of just Rico Suave happening. Okay, no notes, Thanks guys,
thanks for listening. How how good is your Spanish?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Oh great question, I thank you taking it to I
took Spanish starting in I think like fourth or fifth grade,
and so I know the you know, bare minimum. I say, ola,
and I tell my daughter, we're going to a squai
a lot every day.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I can catch certain words, like you know.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
But it's funny actually you mentioned that because when we
Lisa and I went to Mexico City, my wife Lisa,
and on the way she was like, I was like,
I was like, it might be tough if there's like
a lot of I didn't know how you know, bilingual
it would be and she was like, well it should
be fine. I mean like I I went to Spain
(04:42):
and like, I I feel like I can speak pretty well.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I was like, WHOA so impressed.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
And we got into the very first cab from the
airport and Lisa attempted Spanish and the gentleman was like,
it's good, was coming.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And Lisa was.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Like okay, and who is here? And she was like
you speak English immediately. And we laugh about it all
the time, like she kept trying to, like we'd go
to a restaurant and she'd attempt and then they would
start talking and it's just too fast. I think it's
(05:17):
like when of course, like all you learn in school
is just like you know, Puerte or Elbanio, right, like
it's so slow, and so when you actually are faced
in this situation, it's very difficult.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
And there's also dialectical differences too.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I feel like, if you're like in Mexico, or if
you're in South America whatever various countries in Central and
South America, or if you're in Spain, what's being it's
it's like, you know, radical dialectical differences or whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Time no, And I feel like that's so true and.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
So funny and soon keeping with my experience, and why
I ask is because I wonder I do feel a
little bit like my chancy is compromised. I also took
Spanish from sixth grade forward. I can speak it uno
and I can like kind of get kind of get
through like at least very basic and then enough to
(06:09):
be like do you speak English? Or be like how
do you say this word? Or whatever. But I I
have had the same experience Lisa had where I was like,
I thought I was cool, and it also it feels
like all of a sudden you're like skating way way
out on super and nice. All of a sudden you're like, actually,
I don't know what the fuck I'm doing at all.
So but with the song, I'm like, I there's a
(06:30):
whole bunch of lyrical content that I can kind of
guess at but I would need to sit down and
like plug into a translator.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
With Google Translator. I mean, is that I think I
pick it?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I think I pick it up from the English because
this is as known as Spanglish. Like that you're going,
James Brooks, is that is the movie if you go back,
if you're going back and forth between English and Spanish
like this, this is where it's a Spanglish song. It'd
be really funny because like you know, obviously there's a character.
(06:59):
I'll just give it credence of the English lyrics that
I know that he's saying in some some some choice words,
and it is so funny. If the Spanish stuff, it's
like totally redeeming of it all.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
That's what I'm just going to say.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Like if the rest of it was like yeah, like
some kind of like Nobel laureate like yeah, yeah, like this.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Spanish, but it's like, but the truth is that all
comes from insecurity. Yeah yeah, so redeeming of like or
like that's great, that's what white people are.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Like, but really, yeah, we have so much more.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
There's a deep down fear that causes me to act
this way. Yeah, totally, no I do feel like, I mean,
that's the primary thing. It's so funny when it first
of all, it is like I get that this was
we might have just listened to, like the not.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Single edit.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I do feel like the first thing I would say
is like, I would be totally cool if this song
was like there's ninety seconds less of it, I think
would be more effective. I think when they go back
to the second bridge and then another when they bring
the bridge.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Back, bridge rules. Though bridge is great the first.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Time, the second time it comes back, I'm like, why
is this happening? And then it's just another minute and
ten seconds of the chorus over that beat.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
If this was the extended dance version, right, that would
be a different situation. But we're talking pop radio, Babe,
make the right cuts, kill your darlings.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
And I'm certain they did make those cuts. I mean,
that was my first It's not really important, I guess. Also,
it's like sometimes I do realize when we start, I'm like,
you're talking about Rico Suave as though you wanted to conform,
Like I got to watch the part of me that
like that's for people to be dancing to in a
dark room, Whether you're a seventh grader at your first
dance or whatever, or you're like someone at a club
(08:40):
in nineteen ninety and like, no one gives a shit
how long the chorus goes on for if they're into
the beat, you know what I mean, there's no one
sitting there being like, you know, structurally speaking, I think
it's kind of lame they did. They went back to
the bridge again.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Okay, yeah, you know that guy for this song? I do, Yeah,
I am in.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
But I think the biggest thing, Look, it's a very serviceable,
very fun it's the Beats, great slight earworm for sure.
There's a reason it was such an ubiquity.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Chorus is incredible, and.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
You know, there are some issues that have aged, some
stuff has aged poorly, but I always with that stuff too.
I'm like, what do you want to talk do we
want to talk about it in the context of nineteen
ninety Do you want to talk about it stuff right now?
And also like I don't know, guys, maybe now someone
be like, oh he's got swag.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Right, yeah, I hate confidence. I personally see this. It
is a wrestling intro. It's one hundred percent so good.
A Shawn Michael's back.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I'm not sure it meets Razor Ramon intro even the music.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It is it is that is Razor Ramone basically was
like that guy. I was like, what if I because
he was a white dude named Scott Hall. To the
best of my awareness, what if he was like I
think he was like, yo, you know, it'd be cool
if I did like a Rico suave scarface thing, but
as a wrestler. Yeah, yeah, but I think it's possible.
I think there was there. Definitely Scarface was the was
(10:21):
one of the influences. There was something else. Maybe it
was this. I'm trying to remember what year Razor Ramone dropped,
ninety two, ninety three somewhere it is right, so it
must have been. It was like Diesel Hitman, Sean Michaels
I get. I like they were going into.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
This, oh.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah yeah Razor yeah, so yeah, so one hundred percent.
This is definitely influencing it. And I believe he's talked
about that. I love Scott Hall, Scout Halls like, and
Razor Ramone is like my favorite wrestler.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Who's my Mom's amazing? That's so good. I love I
love him, I miss him.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I he like yeah, a lot of demons and stuff like,
but I think he was like a really smart, cool wrestler.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
It's interesting Rico Suave Girardos And that's a funny thing too.
By the way, people used to call Girardo Rico Suave.
I remember that so clearly, like people would like it
was his name, like I thought it was Save.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And he would be like, it's actually Gerardo.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
But I feel like Girardo at least in the English
parts of this. The wrapping is a little do the
Bart man esque, like it's definitely got that. Yeah, so
we've got Girardo influenced by Bart Simpson influencing Scott Hall.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
That's a real late eighties early.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Nineties like wormhole, Like something's gonna open up beneath my
feet right now and I'll be deposited, like wrestling Doink
the Clown on Saturday afternoon on five p at twelve
pm or whatever on Channel five. This is I don't
(12:02):
know if this is chance or anti chance. This is
a little chaotic I have had since nineteen ninety. Cinco
say so siyet de la maniana in my head from
this song somewhere in my head, like I'll be walking
around at a grocery store and hear myself say like
Cinco say societe de la maniana.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
But I thought he said like, I don't get up early.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I thought he said like something like no melee temprano,
which might not even be the correct Spanish, but he
says something like your daughter is in good hands, which
is like like.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
But you know, how do we want to approach it?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Like what maybe it's maybe it's time for you to
step up to the plate here because I feel like, well,
I'm trying to figure out the right way in okay.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
So one way in his Beastie Boys, right and like
the early BC boys stuff is it's not it's not
far from this, you know, totally.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
The thing is that Girardo what's his name?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Not Rico Sabe, it's his artist's name. Is Gerardo his
real name? We don't know, do we know?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
If it's Rico Swave, that would be so funny thing?
What was Gerardo's real name?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
But is it going to do the It's Gerardo Ernesto
Mahia Aguilera.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Oh cool, so Christina, yeah yeah, yeah so.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
And by the way, sorry, the first question that comes
up is was Rico Suave a real person. Yeah, it
was not named Rico Slave, but it was a real person.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
But his real name was Gerardo. That was they just
cut off the three middle and last names. So all right,
please contend.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Uh so BC boys and in this case he's a
Beastie Chico is uh my entry point in terms of
like I think that if Gerardo had follow ups that
were as cool as the Beastie Boys, did he follow up?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Keep going if I mean we just right now, we
don't know, but like I don't imagine that, like you know,
his stuff became as you know, prolific as.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Oh, you don't imagine that Gerardo had the BACI Boys.
I think you are correct on that front, my friend.
I think that's very safe to say.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
So I think that, my so, that's like an anti
Chancey is that? Like I think they're like a redeemable
story like what the BCI Boys have.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
He doth not.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Very interesting that you bring up redemption though. Case for today,
the tables have turned and I find myself as the
Chancey researcher emeritus.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
And as I and as I look on a little
known online resource called wiccan Pedia, guess what happens to.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Gerardo Mahia after his as a recording artist and Mary's
Kathleen Hannah.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
And becomes educated on Riot Girl and post third wave
radical feminism. No, a different path towards enlightenment. He became
a Christian pastor.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
Now boom, Now that could have been his redemsion song
or we don't know what kind of Christian pastor he is.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
And I don't want to get into controversy on the
chance to you always do you know I do? But look,
there's obviously there are good There are Christian pastors who
are emulating Christ, and then there are Christian pastors who,
it seems are emulating Rambo or something. I don't know,
two different, two different things. So we don't know what Gerardo.
I've never been to one of his services. Oh, I
(15:41):
will go, now, I will go.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I feel like we just did one of his services.
We just listened to an entire service.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
That's one of his that's one of his service. This
is actually what's funny is it says in nineteen ninety.
This came out in twenty twenty two, So I don't know.
You're right though, the beast boy that is a great
that is probably.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Like, well, the only opposite of that is like one
of his first lyrics is I don't drink or smoke.
I ain't no dope, won't try no coke. Ask me
how I do it? I cope.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
So that's pretty anti beastie boys.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And of the first record, well, what he's saying there
is he's that's more like Ian Mackay his minor threat Fugazi.
He's coming out saying I'm straight edge, you know, or
even like Jonathan Richmond and that a hippie Johnny song,
I'm straight, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
He's saying I don't need a crutch.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I just cope.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I get through.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
But what we've come to find through the later twentieth
century into the twenty first century and the evolution of
you know, for instance, twelve step recovery programs outside of
alcoholics anonymous, is that his addiction, which he says and
I quote and I apologize to Casey and the chancers,
but he does say his addiction is to the female
specie and he eats the raw like sushi, And so
(16:57):
he may benefit from other kinds of twelve step programs,
for instance.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
About sex and love and lust.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
I don't know. Maybe that's how Gerardo became a pastor
pastor pasta. That's a different podcast universe. Look that up
if you want to. I'm not going to tell you
where to go.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
What's what's the other way to to eat a woman
that's not raw like.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Cooked or yeah or like like cannibal elect.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Right right right? Is there a protection? Is there? Protect?
Remember there.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
There is a lot of craziest episode yet so far,
and we're only halfway through.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
The Rico Suave episode that's rich and smooth. I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
Was there?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
It wasn't There isn't There wasn't There isn't there like
a oral protection, especially in the nineties, for like remember
that that was like a.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, yeah, like you mean for like for sorry, let's
just let's just spit facts if you talk to be
a cunning linguist.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yes, yes, well yeah, like something with like like even
a Saran Rappers.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I believe that what was what was? And and Casey
and I for the uninitiated, we both went to the
same all boys Catholic high school on Staten Island, so different,
we were never there at the same time. I don't
believe famously was there with Dan. I played lacrosse with him, correct,
But I think Dan was a senior when you were
a freshman.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Huh, and I beat him up? You whipped?
Speaker 3 (18:28):
He asked. And I know that when Dan was a freshman,
I was a senior, So I was.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Like, oh, okay, so you were like forty five first
time I was twelve, exact.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
But I'm fair.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
So I don't think any saran rappers being discussed by
mister Insigno in our health classes.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Teacher.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yes, but I do think that there was a ninety
yes in like a safe sex forward nineties cultural discussions.
I actually do think that saran rap was discussed as
a like wait to perform safe oral sex in that direction.
I don't know if I've heard anybody talk about that recently.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
You know, he's not using this round wrap. He's going
raw like sushi. But he's not into tempora, so he
doesn't cook no women.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
No no, no, no, no, he's not. Look he's not. He's so.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
So this is what he's basically telling you in early
in ninety which is he like, that's that's you know,
it's fucking complicated, dangerous time he's telling you why don't
used to run rap? And then he tells you this
is really I wonder if this will get us banned
from further ups. Yeah, he will not.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
No, this is all fine.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Look, we have to be able to talk about this
stuff as a society, as a cult exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
We're doing what Christian pastors would want us to do.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
It's what Look, it's what Christian pastures pastures would wants.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Saying.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
He's saying three things right there. He's telling you he
doesn't do drugs. He's telling you he's into minor threat.
He doesn't drink and do drugs. He's straightedge. He does
have an addiction to it.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
To women.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
He eats them more like sushi. He doesn't eat he
doesn't cook them. So he's telling you he's not going
to use some roundrap. But he's also not how to blect.
That's what you get from that. He's not he's not
a cannibal. Yeah, but he's also not he's also not
practicing safe sexy.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
That's true. Oh so that's interesting. Yeah, hmm, I think.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
This is I just really want to flag for everybody listening,
this is probably the best episode you'll ever hear us. Okay,
so that's that. But being forward from there, I think
you bringing up moving forward from there.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
That was the most elegant transition available.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I think you bring up the Beast Boys is a
great point as a lens through which to look at
any of this stuff. It's happened for us a few
times where we've gone backwards to look at certain like
I think there was a Backstreet Boys song Larger than
Life we listened to where they were talking to their
fans in a way that was a little like, eh, yeah,
there was definitely that not song we listened to at
one point. There's a few that we've listened to that
were like, yes, totally, which, by the way, that that
(21:08):
was the first time we had to preempt the episode
with a with a park service announcement, has enough time
passed to let the camera to let the up on
that takes because somebody I feel like it might have
been a musical collaborator of mine. So when we have
to have to do this, it can be a sixty
second and capsule thing.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
But we did the episode.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
It was unplanned and and totally wild, like just just
accident of fate.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
We did crazy Town.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Butterfly is one of our first ten episodes probably and
literally in the I think it was the day we
were about to publish the episode, it came out that
the singer of that band who's who, I don't remember
their real name, but their stage name was Shifty shell
Shock passed away. I have my eyes closed. I cannot
even look at Casey right now as I.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Talk about this.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
And so we had a moment where we're like, this
is insane, given like the light hearted nature of what
we're doing on this podcast, but we probably have to
address that because it's literally like we're publishing it the
day after this person passed away.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
And so I was totally like, I thought like, oh,
I can handle that.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Like I've had to sort of thread some narrow spaces
and I could do that. So right before we start
the episode casing, I was like, right, cool, I'll just
say a little quick thing about how we had and
planned that.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
And there was not a smirk to be found prior
to this. No, we were like, let's do this Ernest.
It was Ernest.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Of course it was because it was Ernest goes to space.
It was Ernest uses around wrap because we were definitely
like that's a real thing and whatever. And it, dude,
the minute I feel like I got like the first
like sentence or two out, like I was like so
something funny we've never had to deal with obviously on
the podcasts, pretty new thing, you know whatever. But we
(22:58):
just got the news that and then when I got
to it got the news.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
That, I was like inconsolable.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
It was like church when you're six years old or
something and someone farts, like like you, I could not
put it together. I was like almost I was like
on the ridge tears laughing. So far we must have
done like twenty of I don't know a bunch of them.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
The first one that was was real brute. It was incredible.
It was it was when you got to to Shifty
shell shock.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
It was your name, I possible, yeah how and I'm
so sorry. I'm so sorry to Shifty to family, to friends,
to fans. But it was just when I got up
to it, like the absurdity of we are effectively hosting
like a sort of comic in tone podcast where we
talk and then other things we extrapolate in other directions,
but we it's light. We talk about mostly like novelty
(23:53):
singles or something like bordering on that or like whatever,
and then I love Casey just is like I gotta go.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
But we we basely are like doing that and now.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
We're talking about we were crafting a public service announcement
about an artist who passed away unexpectedly where we happened
to be doing.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
His band is a church laugh. It's a true church laugh.
It's you're not supposed to laugh anyway.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, I'm sorry to go at such length, but it was.
We've never talked about it on the podcast since. And
I have a friend who's a collaborator who I must
have sent.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Videos Kevin, and well it's Kevin. We said it to
Brian and Stramberg.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Brian Bonds and Mike Stramberg, who are both friends of
each of ours and have played music with both of us,
and like you know, inter sanct in people, I def
two of the funniest people on earth. And I sent
also to my friend Caroline, who I have this band
Funambulist with who plays as brother Bird because she's fucking hysterical,
and she brought it up to me like last week
(24:51):
for the first time. She's like, we've never talked about
when you sent me the video of you incapable of
presenting the rest in bees or whatever anyway that.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Being said you present It's like it's like when a
news anchor like has like breaks, it's like it's it's
that's what that's what it was, And those are incredible
when when a news anchor is saying something that's important
and breaks, it's some of the best content that's ever
existed on the Internet's what the internet's.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
For, the purity of it is unbeatable. You are laughing
from the purest place from which you will ever laugh.
You're like, it's like it was like uncontrollable.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
It's on Kevin's Patreon now, yeah, you can pay to
watch it. There are great lens though, the Vast.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Boys, because I do think and that's why you broughte
it up. It's not like a novel thought what they
the arc of their career with respect to the kind
of like uh, you know, whether it's play full or not,
but like misogynistic, patriarchal, reinforcing lyrical content of their earlier
(26:07):
music and their earlier video content and their earlier kind
of like you know whatever, like fucking young, brash whatever.
They really present a model for like what it can
be like. I don't think the BC Boys got less fun.
Their music can maintained like a group kind of like energetic,
(26:28):
but what they did get was like.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I would say, you know, they they.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Wiser and and and and more like a wider view
of of of of the world. And and they got
that through aging, they got that through like education, they
got that through yeah, partners and other uh you know,
cultural and and social influence. And they I think it
was like they were never I never got the sense
that it was performative, that they were just kind of like, yeah,
(26:55):
that was that was that was us in that moment.
And now I look at that moment and I see
like that wasn't cool, And I thought it was very
matter of fact, and I thought it was very well handled.
And I think they've presented a model. It's not like
some like fucking tripping over yourself seventeen thousand word notes
apology that ends up bringing like totally hollow in its
over verbosity or whatever. It's actually just kind of like
(27:17):
straight into the point. And then there was like a
living amend's quality to it too, where they're just like
that was like, well, we're not going to do that
moving forward, and they didn't, you know what I mean,
I think that's now I have no idea what Gerardo's like,
I have no idea what a lot of people who
but I know that I always thought that was like,
arguably the coolest thing about the Beastie Boys was actually
(27:37):
that they had that come to Jesus moment. And I
know that Gerardo came to Jesus too, and we reserve
the right to go to one of his sermons and
find out where he's at now.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Very true.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
You know, it's interesting to think about other people that
like went to maturity or didn't, you know, like you know,
I'm trying to think Eminem, you know, is is he
didn't reach the same heights I think of the Beastie Boys.
But I definitely think and I also think he never
(28:11):
really and maybe I think the BC Boys did. I
don't know if Eminem really ever apologized or anything or
totally regret it, because I don't think it's in his
nature to be like he's more like that's who I was.
Then Yeah, he might have said like that's what being
on a lot of drugs can do.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I think, right, I think that it seems to me
like he's an interesting case because he I don't know
that I've I've heard him say things that were kind
of like I would put them as like relatively lukewarm
walkings back of the most like violent, misogynistic, homophobic, you know.
But I also think, and I do think he kind
(28:49):
of did evolve somewhat from the like flimsy which I
was as a twenty year old fascinated with this like
Hall of Mirrors whatever thing, because I think a lot
of people were, but it was ultimately in retrospect, it's
like a little flimsy to be like, I'm not saying
that my character is saying that, Like there's a degree
to which it's like right, and does a twelve year
old kid listening to that have like the same degree
(29:10):
of discernment as the thirty year old man writing it does?
And if there's ten million, it just gets into that
whole fuzzy thing about the influence of media and behavior.
But I do think I think he seems to have
I feel like he wants to have it both ways,
because I feel like he kind of like has these
moments where he kind of like speaks to a kind
of like evolution and maturity and you could sort of
(29:30):
see that. Then he'll like, because he knows it connects
and sells, he'll put out like the Marshall Mathers record three,
where he's like doing all of that shit again in
the songs.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
I think he kind of like wants to be able
to dance back and forth between that, whereas I don't
think the Beastie Boys did that, and then we're like actually, and.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Then on the next record it was like Girls two
or whatever, you know what I mean, Like that's true.
I do think.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Most people kind of double down in the I think
a lot of people it's almost like they double down
in the opposite direction where it's like they've been they
feel sort of like ostracized or called out, and so
what they do is kind of sort of be like, well,
you know what, fuck you even like smart forward thinking
of people I think in other ways. And then that
becomes strange because then they're kind of marooned in this
(30:17):
place where they still have a lot of fans, but
they're kind of like you can tell it's not the
fans they want to have. It's almost like they become
these embittered versions of themselves, because it's like people who
like they were kind of they kind of made their
bones in the beginning being critical of or lampooning, and
then they end up becoming owned by those people because
that's the only that's like the last house on the block.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Does that make sense? You know what I'm saying, which is,
I think a very dark place to land.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
And there's a few artists I'm thinking of and specific
across a few different mediums that I probably won't say
for just it's not necessary. But yeah, I think there's
like there's a darkness down there for sure, and I
think the light is actually from like being able to
be like, Yo, that wasn't cool.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I've grown up since then, you know. I love how
we've gotten this from Ricos swathing. Yeah it's insane, but anyway.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, I've definitely seen people like doctor dre regret. It
was just related to Eminem somewhat regret as his father
and he's his dad and his doctor, which is strange.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
There's boundary issues there for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
That's as a as a as a kid who's had
a doctor as a mom.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I understand that you act right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
She doc, but he you know, he doctor traded a
lot of bad stuff and you know, apologize to a
lot of it, trying to move forward.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
You know, Yes, there's nothing wrong with that. That's like
if like I think that's like the best fucking thing
we can do. And I don't mean in a real
embodied way, to be like, because then you get to
tell the whole story and it's all in the room.
It's okay, it's like, yeah, this this happened, and this happened,
and this happened, and it's all a picture of a person,
not just the best or worst or most airbrushed or
(32:00):
most you know, edited in either direction, edited like like
focused in upon or edited out version of the person. Anyway,
we have to do some more research about Girardo's current whereabouts.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
But with respect to the song, yeah, I'd like to
talk about some of the music.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
But yeah, no, I was going to say, I was
gonna say, I like the bridge. Bridge surprised me. Great
percussive stuff going on. Really fun club song. This listen,
imagine us, me and you hanging out in ninety, right,
said Fred ends this one comes on next. I mean,
we're dancing all day. We're dancing all day.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Case it's true, I'm definitely I'm ten years old and
I'm having a I'm like going crazy.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
You're like, you're not ten in ninety I was ten.
I was ten. I five. Oh my god, I was five.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I don't even I'm watching you while your mom has
to go do something at the store, and I'm like, yo,
how am I going to take care of this kid?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
And I just put on these songs that we dance.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
My mom's a doctor, she's probably working to go.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
So your what you're saying is your mom was my
mom's boss and you so your mom said to my mom.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Hey, your son has to watch my kid, and my
mom said, oh okape, And I'm like, my mom's your
mom's boss. Yeah, And then I go and your mom's like,
I gotta go to the store. Busstead the scope back
said Kevin, we watch case and then I go over
and You're like, what are you going to do?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Entertain me?
Speaker 1 (33:26):
And then I put on these songs and we dance
all day. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
That actually probably happened to some kid like like this
was probably, like you said, the it was ubiquitous, and
I'm sure children and adults it was like it was
like Cape Hoop Demon Hunters of the time.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
It was dude.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
My memory is that this was like an inescapable, like
a meme before they were memes, and an inescapable song.
I feel like I heard this song as much as
I mean any other like that, whatever, other six or
ten like massive, massive, massive songs.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
In that moment, I think my when I when I
was ten, I think the song around then was I
like to move it, move it.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Oh, it's same, same vibe, which is I like to
move it, move it. But I always thought it sounded
like and now it was crazy. What did you think
it sounded like? I like to move it, move it.
Speaker 7 (34:21):
It does kind of like to movid he's doing when
so Mari one time came home, my daughter came home
from daycare and started singing I Like to move and
move in like a.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Completely different version but also wrong. It's really good.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
But I was like, how do you know it? And
I guess there was a will I am version? I
came out and it's like, yes.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yo, that's that's so funny. That's so funny. It's so true.
And also I love those moments where you're like, wait,
how do you know that? With your kid? This isn't
song related?
Speaker 3 (34:52):
But Edie used to authentically think that Benjamin Franklin's name
was origemin Franklin.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Which you have to end it on that because it's
just the cutest. Also, everybody listen, song is the cutest.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah, this song is the cutest and the best and everybody, really,
what we want you to do today is, if there's
something you've got to own from your past, own it
just like DC's and dressed in shell shock and yeah,
shifty shell shock. And if you are one of Gerardo's flock,
let us know what he talks about.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Right, let's give it. Give it a chance at our
arkfark dot now
Speaker 3 (35:34):
One two, buckle my shoe, say good bye.
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