October 22, 2025 • 36 mins
Things get gross when we talk to Nicole Angemi and Maria Q Kane from one of our favorite podcasts on the Elvis Duran Podcast Network, Mother Knows Death.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Get your head us together and we're going to start
to party.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Start.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
I'm ready to party the Elvis Duran after Party.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Oh bank God, Nicole and Maria they finally made it.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yay.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Nicole and Jimmy and of course Maria q Caine. You
get the whole name in there, Mom and daughter of course,
the stars of our Mother Knows Death podcast on the
Elvis Dran Podcast Network. May I'll just give give you
a little business by the way, sure in all of
our podcasts on our network, you guys are one of
the best. You guys are doing so well, you're killing it.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Speaking of killing it, of your weekly podcast, of course,
focuses on pathology, forensics, death, and you don't do it
in an overly clinical way. You guys talk about all
these incredible fun subjects in a way we understand what
you're saying, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Thanks. I feel like when I was in college, I
had a really hard time understanding all of these fancy
medical words, so I had to dumb it down for myself.
You know, I'm a high school drop well, so you
know I had to bring it down to my level.
But that I feel like that that helps me explain
it to people better.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
But both of you are I feel stupid after a moment.
I'll show you both because you both are so educated,
especially you know, hyper focusing on pathology. And it's just
don't you feel like you learned something every time you
hang out.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
With them without a doubt. I mean, even if you
just follow them on Instagram or follow Mother Knows Death
and Missus and Jemmy on Instagram, you learned so much
about like mister diagnoses and all kinds of other things.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Well, God, you brought them to us first. Yeah, you
had them on your podcast. What was it that was
so interesting to you about them that made us go,
oh my god? So you know we were gonna steal
them from you.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I love women in science number one, so that is
always exciting to me. But this stories that they have,
especially Nicole about her time doing you know, pathology assistant
research and pulling things apart. And when she said, everything
that gets taken out of a body comes to her
and then she gets to analyze it and kind of
break like figure out what happened here or what's going
(02:17):
on with it. I was riveted, especially when you find
out some of the things that come out of a body.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
So you would go in with all the pathology team,
and after someone passes away, you go inside to try
to figure out why they died.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Two different there's two different divisions of our job, which
is one is surgical pathology. So any single thing that
ever gets taken out of a person's body goes to
our lab. So that could be something as simple as
teeth or a quarter a kid swallowed. Also really weird
stuff people put in their bodies.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
A lot of guys tripping and fallen in the shower.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, yeah, guys landing on things. What's the weirdest things
ever come to you? I'm sure I've said this before.
It's the half eaten pair.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I don't remember what there's a story behind it. Tell
the half eaten pairs.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Oh yeah, some woman put a pair in her husband's
rectum and started eating it and it got sucked up.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
They say, never put things in there that isn't connected, or.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
It's a broad based.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Like a ball and chain like a tether ball. Wow, okay,
but it was eaten and then.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
But what's cool though, is like you know, she was
talking about teeth, but also a bullet. You will take
that and analyze that right. Or a breast implant, Oh yeah,
we got anything.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I have gotten a bullet before. We don't commonly get
them because they should go right to the medical examiner's
office with the body. But yeah, I mean breast implants
that fail, penis and plants that fail. Wow, things like
and obviously we get other things like breasts entire breast
if a person has breast cancer, colon if a person
has colon cancer.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
Oh so when I had my breast reduced, they said
that they sent mine out to get checked, and that's
how I found out I was higher risk for breast
cancer because everything gets checked and they send it out
when they take it out of your body.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yeah, so it would come to me and we would weigh,
especially in reduction cases. Sometimes the weight of it has
to do if insurance will pay for it or not,
if it's cosmetic, or if it's actually causing you medical problems.
And we cut it up and we look for tumors
and we have found incidental cancers and those.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
My thought is this, If I go into my doctor
every year for my physical you know, they scan, they poke,
and prod and that's as bed as far as they
get blood. Of course, blood that helps. What is wrong
with the thought here? I just want to go in
as a somewhat healthy functioning guy. I want you to
put me on the table and just start digging around
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in there and try to find something wrong. Is that?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I mean? Is that a stupid way to try to
see if anyone has a problem brewing inside? Or I
mean it's very invasive, I would assume.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
But an autopsy, I want to want to I want
to as like being alive, you want I.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Want to be a living autopsy?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
All right, So this is what I would recommend you.
They have these full body ct and MRIs you can
get as it doesn't have to be ordered by your doctor.
You can go and and pay to get that done
if you really want to find out. That's as close
as you're getting. No One, no doctor is going to
cut you open and just peek around and make sure everything's.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Why not, what's what's your problem?
Speaker 5 (05:45):
What could possibly go wrong?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Anytime you open the abdomen or the chest, your you
can cause scarring and adhesions, which is how Lisa Marie
Presley died.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Actually what Lisa Marie Pressley died because of scarring.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Yeah, from surgical Wow.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Hey, let's talk about that for a second. Can we
talk about the book. Yes, Okay, So Nicole's writing a
book about celebrity deaths. This is gonna be fascinating because
we're fascinated with celebrity anyway. Yeah, but when they pass away,
sometimes we don't get the whole story.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Yeah, and it's often times wrong. So I've been writing
about celebrity deaths actually for the past five years. So
I have a collection of almost a hundred of them
already because I do it every week. And yeah, I
mean it's it's really interesting. So I started writing the
book and I've only done nine so far because I
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have until next year to write it. So I've been
just doing it every couple of days and I start.
But I'm doing everyone from really interesting ones like Gene
Hackman that just died and higher profile cases like Lisa Marie,
but also older ones like Gilda Radner and al Capone
died from syphilis. It's just so interesting.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Wait wait, back up. Wow, I know al Capone, I
can see, But Gilda Radner died from so civil No, no, no, she.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Has a varying kid. I'm just.
Speaker 7 (07:08):
What about Amy wine House.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Will she be in there, Amy Winehouse will be in there. Yeah.
I wrote about her a couple of years ago because
she died from effects of the alcoholism. So it's it's
gonna be really awesome. Really, it's it's comprehensive, just people
Alex Trebek, Steve Jobs, just Freddie Mercury, just really it's
it's awesome, And it's just it's not a lot of reading,
(07:29):
because I'm not a huge reader like that. You could
read one and be done and go back to it
and start off. It's not a continuous book.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Like a fun little anthology. Yeah, it's just like cliff notes.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
You know.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
One of the things that she said that I thought
was so fascinating. I think about it all the time
whenever we hear a cause of death now, is that
cardiac arrest as a cause of death is kind of
a cop out because everyone's gonna die when their heart stops,
of course, but what caused the heart to stop is
more interesting in what they kind of try to analyze that.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
It literally just happened yesterday because I wrote it down
because I want to put it in my book. So
Michael Jackson was the most That's what they were saying
he died of cardiac arrest. But cardiac arrest just major
heart stops. So like, no, shit, that's how everybody dies, right.
But yeah, so they just did it with Jane Goodall.
They just came out and said her cause of death
(08:20):
was cardiac arrest. I just saw it, and she died
from complications of old age, which, well, that.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Was your favorite to you, right, because that's how they
said the queen died old age.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Old age doesn't answer my question, like the body just
gives out?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Okay, what's the scientific term for the body just gives up?
Speaker 4 (08:39):
And there's things that happen as you age, like your
blood vessels become weaker, and you can get calcifications and
things like that which can lead to stroke and coronary
artery disease and things like that. But that would be
what you put on the death certificate. That's what would
be the cause of death, not old age.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Old age.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I love it and I use it in my lecture.
Is an example of her actual death certificate. It says
old agent.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
That's wild that I wanted to stay in mind too.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
And you know, in the hospital and stuff, we always
have doctors that put cardiac arrest, and then we have
to go up to them and say this is this
is not a cause of death, like change it, figure
out what happened and be more specific.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So it's funny though, because we had an episode coming
out this week. Actually we had another expert, justin Scott
Morgan on our show and the two of them are
geeking out about causes of death, and we were talking
about a story where a woman unfortunately was kicked in
the chest by a student and died. And I said,
as a layperson, I'm accepting a face value that she
just got kicked and died. And they're talking about all this.
You know, she could have her heart could have stopped,
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she could have had a clog, all this other stuff,
and I'm just mind blown by.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
The kicked and died the certificate. I wanted to to say,
just gave up. He just gave up, give up, he
was done, so go ahead.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Is there a lot of conflict then between doctors and
pathology teams when they put something like that on a
death certificate and you guys come back and say no, no, no,
you need to change that. Do you guys argue about it?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
No?
Speaker 4 (10:14):
They're usually pretty good it's just kind of a pain
because we have to track them down and sometimes you
know they're gone for their night, they're not coming back
for two days, and things like that could hold up
the process. But oftentimes they especially if they're getting an autopsy,
they might think that they know what the cause of
death was and then we open them and we change
it because it's different. Well so and they don't get
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they don't argue with it, like we just can show
them this is what it is. Come look and there's
no arguing. It's science right like it's it is what
it is.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
By the way, you're listening to Mother Knows Death with
Nicole and her daughter Maria Stars from our podcast every
week the pathology, forensics, death and fun stuff that goes
along with it. In your book, though, of your anatomy book, yes,
do you have Is there an an actual alphabet like
as for anus? Can you recite every single letter?
Speaker 4 (11:06):
No, it's because I had to do. I wanted it
to be an alphabet and some things I had to
there's there's not really an anatomical organ you would say
for Z for example, So I use zygomatic bone, which
is your dis bone in your face. Here your cheekbone,
so that sometimes I used a whole organ like the heart.
(11:27):
Sometimes I used I might used circulatory system just to
just to fit it in. But yeah, it was very hard.
I used X chromosome okay, yeah, but it just it
just was random. But I had to do it just
because I felt like that would be easier for people
to look at body parts. I just say it's body
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parts because I think I use arm like that's not
I guess extremity. Maybe I used I don't really know.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
This is my point. I need for you to nail
down the official out for bet get back to me
next time and.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
First light it by hard. Yeah. I'm just like, I know,
there's anus, extramity. Everything's there, every single part of your
body and every organ, adrenal, gland, elvis. I didn't write
that book for like three years. My memory is just
the best memory and the worst memory.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
It's weird and funny what the brain will hold on
to and what it was. So let's talk about that.
As far as the body goes, you can see how
a tendon works, you can see how a bone works
or whatever. But when it comes to the brain, that's
a whole other world. That's a it's like it's like
deep sea diving. It's you're you're you're diving down to
the bottom of the ocean, and it's it's a world
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that we're still finding out more and more every day.
What have you discovered in your travels as far as
pathology about the brain, Like what has fascinated you?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Well, most people don't realize this, but they're specific. You know,
there's specific brain surgeons. Well, there's specific pathologists that just
do brain and spinal quarter or the nervous system. And
so when we look when we take out a brain
and look at it autopsy, we're looking for something that's
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blatantly obvious, like they had a stroke and aneurysm, there's
a tumor or something like that, but the very specific
neurological things that could happen to people. We take that
brain and we save it aside, and a special neuropathologist
will dissect it days later and look at it and
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come up with a diagnosis if it's something like more
specific like MS or als or something like that.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yes, are you saying you didn't go to class on
brain day.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Day?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
People? Exactly, Like it's a whole other field of medicine accent.
It's just and it's it's very hard to tell. When
they slice the brain, they'll just look at it and say, oh,
this minute little thing is this and this. I mean,
you can't see things grossly with your naked eye, like
schizophrenic or something like that. But you could see Alzheimer's.
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You could see CTE. The chronic traumatic encephalopathy is the
one that you associate with football players, you know, hitting
their head in multiple concussions. So you could see that.
But that's their specialty, and most regular doctors don't want
to deal with the brain because it's like a whole
other beast.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Wow, I bet well. One of the things I learned
from her about the brain, and our dentist, Elvis, he
listened to the podcast and was so happy she brought
it up, was how very closely your mouth is connected
to your brain, and if you do not take care
of your mouth, what can happen to your brain.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Maybe that's my problem.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
I'm positive.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I'm going today. I'll have them do me right, chick
that up.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
I mean, essentially, covity can kill you, right.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Yeah, it really can.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Talk about how they can kill you.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
I actually had a really crazy case of a young
girl in her early twenties that had a wisdom tooth
pulled out and then she just got a terrible infection
and we got her whole entire jaw resected that they
sent down to the lab because she had osteomylitis, which
is an infection in the bone, and they had to
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remove her entire jaw because of it. A lot of
times people take for granted these minor procedures that we
get done, and there could be really bad complications with
simple things. I just did a case for on my
Instagram account. I do mystery diagnosis every week, and this
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week I had a picture of a person that got
a full sleeve tattoo who died and they got toxic
shock syndrome from getting tattooed. And whenever you hear about that,
people think, Tampa, Yeah, that's like drilled into our head, right,
But really, you can get it from something as minor
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of a procedure as a tattoo, because it breaks the
skin and it allows in this special kind of bacteria
that can release toxins that could spread to your organs
and kill you. So it's and you could get it
with a scrape or anything. It's just and people think
tattoos or everybody has a tattoo, but it is you're
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putting a large abrasion over your skin that could let
you're letting down that protective barrier and bacteria from the
outside world could get in really easily.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
What's up scary?
Speaker 8 (16:42):
You know, I'm fascinated with the liver because I know
that that's associated with drinking and stuff. Could you tell
right away when you see a liver, like, oh, that
person drink a lot over their lifetime, and what does
that look like.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
So first, when you drink a lot, you get your
liver starts to get replaced by fat and it gets
it actually gets bigger than it normally should get. And
it's really cool because sometimes when you open the body,
the liver's so big that you could see the impressions
from the ribs because it's pushing up against the ribs.
It's really I mean, it's not cool for them obviously,
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but it's cool scientifically. And then once it has so fatty,
liver is considered to be reversible. So if you ever
get diagnosed with that, if you stop drinking, it could
go back to normal. But once it starts scarring up,
it gets cirrhosis, and then it starts to shrink and
it looks very nodular and it's very striking. You can
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tell the difference and it becomes smaller, and you also
get associated things with that. You can get hemorrhoids, and
if there's any kind of a blockage of the portal system,
which is a part of the circulatory system that goes
through the liver, it can make blood back up into
the anus with hemorrhoids, and it could also do it
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in the esophagus. You could get swelling in the legs,
you could get your your spleen could get really big.
So there's kind of a pattern you see with it
as well. Wow fluid you ever see like an alcoholic
might have, like a belly that looks pregnant on a man,
It's just filled with fluid. It's just a whole picture
you see when you when you open them up.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
That's how my system was after college.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
A little bit difference between like the fat the fat
because that's the omental fat. That's the fat that sits
on top of your organs that acts as not only
protection for your organs, but it insulates and keeps them
to your body temperature.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
As well, so, as you know, mother and daughter doing
a podcast together, how much fun do you have when
you sit in front of those microphones both of you
talk to me about a topic or two you've had
recently on the podcast, where you just go on and
on because you're so excited about where you're going. You
have way too much material because you just get so
passionate about how much fun you're having something.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
This is the memory thing. It's like people say, would you,
I'm like, I don't even know what we talked about.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I mean you like to go down the morose, gross
avenue from time to time, and.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Oh yeah, we have fun. You know. We have some
stories where we end up going on tangents where we
start talking about personal stuff. We really love making fun
of my grandparents. They're such easy targets and our listeners
love hearing the stories. So those are always fun. And
then we fight sometimes and the listeners.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Seem to like that, so we do. We fight, and
then they and I'm just like, she's my kid. I'm sorry,
I'm gonna put her in a place, but she's like,
you're a boomer. Stop it.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Like also, just two Italian women talking to each other,
So I think people think we're always fighting, but it's.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
You should see our family parties. It's everyone is talking
over each other and it's really loud.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
No.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I mean yesterday though, I went on especially a tangent
about Kevin Federline's book for probably way too long, and
everybody didn't want to hear about it. But we get
passionate about things, and I feel bad for Brittany so good.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Yeah, and I have a different opinion, are you too? Yeah?
So that was a like I was just like, nah,
so yeah, I just look at it like like he
he bowled her out. And this is some of the
stuff that that was in that book, if it's true,
is like if that was a person that was living
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in your neighborhood, you'd be like that person's scumbag.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
And she have their kids, right, like, this is the
mother of his children, thank you, And she already has
issues that he has said she's helped with, so putting
this out there is not helping the woman.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And what are the kids thinking? How can you do
that to your children?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I agree, I think he's exploiting a mentally unwell person,
thank you. And it doesn't matter if the kids are
five or forty five. I just think there's a point
where you don't keep talking about it.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
But but she said she wanted them dead, So I
think that they're like.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
How do we know?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
She said that it's not there?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Now do we know?
Speaker 5 (20:54):
She's evolving into hell?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Here we go?
Speaker 4 (20:57):
He said.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
She said, are there any celebrities that you look at
or people in general that you look at and you
can tell before you cut into them, before anything comes out,
that person has something going on? They're a little sick,
and you know what it is?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Oh yeah, lots of different things.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Why you look at me like that?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
And sometimes I see certain things like one of one
thing is is clubbing of the fingertips, right, So it's
very unusual and I could pick it out on a
person if their fingertips, it's the certain way that their
fingernails look on the on the tips of their fingers.
And you can look at a person and just say, Okay,
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they might have some kind of lung pathology or hard
pathology going on. There's some association with it that they're
not one hundred percent sure of the mechanism of it,
but it might have something to do with just an
increase of blood flow to the fingertips. That's causing their
fingernails to look weird.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
But it is something talk about like look at my okay,
don't look at that one. A nail went thro that
fingernail to ignore that one.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Yours look fine. They look they look very specific. I
don't think anyone here if you had them, I would
be like, yo, she'll have telling you good, that's good,
save your life. Yeah I did. I will tell somebody
if I see something that I think is alarming and
she yells at me, because I'll just say something to
somebody at the.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Mall, say.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I told a strangers, hey, by the way, what will
you see on someone? Give it us An example of this.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Guy that was checking us out once he had this
this baker cyst. I saw that. I was just like,
oh yeah, baker systo.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It wasn't like that for every twenty buying the kids
clothes and she just goes baker cysts.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
That develops and you know, like in your wrist there.
I just thought it was I do. I see people
all the time, and especially with the when I was
writing the book, I see such rare pathology sometimes that
I'm like, oh God, I really just I'm not trying
to be rude, like I will. I want them to
tell their story. And I feel like I feel like
I do that because a lot of times people look
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really unusual and people are not nice to them, and
they stare at them and they and they're curious. But
people are just curious and they just want to know.
And I think the more you just talk about all
these different conditions that people could have and just it's normal,
they won't feel so isolated. You know.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Yeah, I get that, and I've I've been really interested
and I've talked to her about this before because she
sees all kinds of things. I said, is there something
that you would never allow your children to do because
of what you see? The aftermath is when people come out.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Yeah. I mean there's lots of different things, Like some
parents are crazier than me as far as like the
trampoline park and stuff. I don't really care about that stuff,
but I do. There's been a lot of things with
rides recently of people getting killed on brides and I
do I let them do it, but thank god my
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husband let them go in that big drop thing and
he took them and I was just like, thank god
I wasn't there because I feel like I might, I
might be kind of a drag, Like I don't let
them cross a big street in my town when every
other kid in my town is allowed across it. Like
I'm just like scared because my kids are you know,
kids say are real zoned out. They're just like and
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people are drunk and drive or texting, yeah, and they'll
go right up on the sidewalk, And I'm just always
I'm really scared about that, Like I worry about it
a lot.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
I remember you specifically saying motorcycles are an absolutely for you.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
That's a no now. These e bikes, yeah, we're the
scooter rentals when we go travel and things. I'm like, no, now,
especially with no helmets. You were crazy and a lot
of I have friends all around the country that work
in emergency rooms and stuff, and just tell me, like,
we're seeing these people, especially in cities like Miami or
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something that has them, like they're the emergency room and
trauma there are seeing them often just people that are
visiting that are going forty miles an hour on a scooter.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Like it's bad, you know, Puse there's no helmet laws there.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
I don't think I don't think so either.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
No, I see people in Miami ripping at one hundred
miles an hour on ninety five with no helmet on whatsoever. Yeah,
that's frightening.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Wow, honestly, like the helmet is not going to do anything.
Like if you're going slower, definitely, but if you're going
nine to miles an hour, I don't know that that's
saving your life. It's kind of a false sense of security.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Have you ever in your time in a pathology session?
What would you call that when you're actually doing the
autopsy right, Sorry, you actually get emotional and had to
leave the room, and you're thinking, if only this person
had made this different decision, they wouldn't be here right now.
Do you ever get that wound up with it? Or
(25:56):
do you just look at the body parts as body
parts and try to figure it out.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I mean, I've had certain situations where I've gone home
and been maybe a little upset about something, but not
to the point where I couldn't do my job or
had to set aside, you know, Like, so you're heartless. Yeah,
that's exactly why I'm not a nurse, because I just
(26:20):
can turn it off pretty easy.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
But don't you feel like you become numb because you
see so much of this.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
No, it's I don't know that it really ever bothered me.
It's very it's very easy for me to disconnect from it.
And I feel like if I was too connected, it
would be I wasn't doing my job or something.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Yeah, I mean there's certain cases like we had a
guy that was that and this is just like a
kind of boring death. The guy at pneumonia, he was forty,
but then his wife had had made sure in his
body bag, like his Eagles hat was with them, and
I just like, you know, that makes it like more personal,
and you're like, oh god, this guy was going to
watch the game this weekend and his and his wife
(27:00):
and he's my age, or you know, stuff like that.
And one time we got a colon in the lab
for Colon Cam. It was on a nineteen year old
girl and there was an obstruction. So that was not
what we were thinking at all, because nineteen year olds
just don't get colon cancer, right, And then we went
down to get coffee and we're and then the family
(27:22):
was in the coffee shop thinking like, she'll be at
a surgery soon. It's I'm sure it's not that big
of a deal, and I'm like thinking, no, she actually
has really like stage three cancer. I just looked at it,
you know, but I but I feel bad, and then
I just I don't know, like it you can't really
function in any I think if you talk to emergency
(27:42):
room doctors or anything, it's just like you know, my
you know, my husband's a firefighter. It's the same thing.
Like you can't sit there and feel bad right at
the moment, like you go home and you're just kind
of like, yeah, that was unfortunate.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
So if you have advice for us how we stay alive?
What is it that we need to do that? You
see constantly people are messing up.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
What mistake are we making? Over and over?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
People aren't gonna want to hear this. But alcohol's terrible. Okay,
it's just terrible.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Well are you looking at me like that?
Speaker 4 (28:16):
It's I feel like the as the most recent study
that there's no amount of alcohol that is is I
don't want to sound like like like a what's a
fun sucker from Debbie down? Yeah, like straight, yeah, I
mean in moderation everything, you know, besides crack or something.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
But yeah, there was so many, so many years I
would go by saying, you know what, you need to
have a glass of red wine every single day whatever.
But now the news studies are saying no, you should
have nothing with alcohol at all.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
To say nothing is is just kind of It's like
the same theory I have with taking YouTube away from
my kids, like if I take it one hundred percent
away from them, that it's just gonna make them want
it more. Kind of. So I think people can do
it once in a while, but just a lot of
people drink and multiple days a week, multiple drinks and
(29:12):
think that they're not an alcoholic, when in fact that
would be the definition. So and then that's when I
mean the social and the and the brain damage you're
doing is one thing. I'm just talking about damage to
the body itself, because it not only damages your liver,
could damage your heart. And and then of course smoking
(29:33):
is the worst thing that was ever introduced to our
society ever for health purposes.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
It's all the fun stuff, the smoking, the drinking. Are
you gonna say sugar, No, I mean moderate.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
I don't know moderation. I don't want to be like
that because like please like look at me, like I
eat a lot of sugar, you know, like, I'm not.
I'm not like trying to. I don't drink, though, I'm
kind of I'm not. I've seen enough. I used to
do liver the liver transplants or the explants, which is
(30:07):
the bad liver that they took out of someone before
they put the new liver in. And I just saw
a lot of it and it was enough to you know,
scare you. Yeah, wow, No to self, you need and
you don't want to have to ever get a liver
transplant if you don't need one, it's it's like really
life changing, altering surgery.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
You know.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
So I don't want anything if I don't have to
get it taken out or put in exactly good.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
So, So coming up on some future podcasts, I know
you have no memory whatsoever. Maybe it's a lack of alcohol,
too much sugar, I don't know. Do you have any
podcast topics coming up that you are just excited to
push play on and let the world here.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yes, we are interviewing the prosecutor from the Golden State
killer case, and that's one of my favorite true crime cases.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Talk about it.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Do you know about this crime at all a little bit?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
But I'm nowhere near as much as you know obviously.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
So these crimes took place in California back in the seventies.
For a very long time, they believed it was three
different perpetrators. So one was just a man burglarizing houses,
the second was somebody committing sexual assault, and the third
was a murderer. And through all these years they were
able to tie them to one person.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Really through the.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Help of Pat and Oswald's former wife, Michelle McNamara.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
So she really helped reopen that case and get some
traction behind it, and she unfortunately passed away before they
found the killer. But just in twenty eighteen, I believe
they were able to take DNA from a rape kit
and they found the man and he was in his
seventies living with his daughter and they arrested him. So
that was kind of a groundbreaking case for forensics using
(31:46):
DNA in that type of way, and we were very
fortunate to have the prosecutor coming on our show.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Wow, it's exciting.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, So next time Nate's out murdering someone, give him
a little tip, what like what are they leaving behind?
And maybe not your specialty, but I'm sure maybe you've
seen as far as evidence on a body. What are
we leaving behind that's gonna get us thrown in prison?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Hair is number one? And then in the Idaho murder's case,
he left behind a fingerprint on the knight's sheath. They
were able to extract DNA from that.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
What else are people leaving?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
But you know, people think they're just such good criminals,
and you would think they would get better over time
with all the access to internet and these stories we have,
but they're just getting worse.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Sloppy, sloppy work, Nate.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Sorry, I'll do better next time.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Curely any DNA left behind, bad idea. Well has matt
suits to kill people's This is.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Why they say if you ever get attacked or anything,
to make sure that you scratch the you know them,
to get DNA because that can really that's really gonna
be the way to really catch anyone for sure, because
a lot of stuff is circumstantial and you don't want
somebody getting off you know who else? Oh we have
(33:01):
So do you remember Gabby Petito case?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Yeah, so, I'm interviewing her stepfather this week and that
will be on next next week. We're doing that, Yeah, so,
and he's awesome. Jim Schmidt. So he's also a fireman,
so we have this like connection to talk about things,
and so he's we're going to really just talk about
that case and just all of the trauma their family
(33:27):
has been through a lot of it. I haven't heard
really on the news or that perspective, So I'm looking
forward to that the podcast.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Of course, Mother Knows Death, of course Mom and Daughter.
It makes sense to me. You guys are always so
interesting when you come see us. Thank you so much
all day. Thank you. We didn't get as gross in
ichy this time.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
There's still time.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Well, ask a Nike question, a question. What's the ichiest
thing you've been studying lately?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
What did you just see on my instagram?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Oh? Yeah, on the instagram, the first thing you see.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Is it was the word smegma, which we're not sure
if it's smegma or smegma, but there was a what
was a hairball amegma covered hairball that you were covered someone.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Covering someone's i U D That was removed so when
they so. An i U D is an inner uterine
device that is put up inside of the uterus as
a birth control and it has little strings that hang
off of it. Like little plastic sutures that hang off
of it, so it could be pulled out if it
needs to. It's also really important that that thing stays
(34:41):
in place because that's considered a foreign body, and they
like to your body likes to attack it, and it does.
It recognizes is it foreign, and it pushes it. So
it could go through your uterus, it could go into
your colon. It can move. I had a case on
my website, the Gross Room that it moved out someone's
(35:02):
as well, like they found it in their as Yes,
so they can push through. So those strings hanging in
someone's vagina, anyone that's ever had an I U D.
They I guess that's why it extra gross them out
because there was a hairball stuck to it. So you think, well,
how did hair get up there all the way up?
Speaker 3 (35:22):
How did it get up there?
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Yeah, we understand the Smegma part.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Central intercourse.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Yeah, I would. I would say yes, through through sex.
I mean, if you have hair around the hole, it's
found to get off there, is it? I mean, I
I don't know. I would just like one one.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Together, fascinating.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
There's so much good stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Nicole and Maria, thank you so much for coming in today.
The podcast, of course, Mother Knows Death, a part of
the Elvis DRAN podcast network and doing brilliantly.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
By the way, the Elvis da Ran after party
Speaker 4 (36:08):
MHM
Get your head us together and we're going to start
to party.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Start.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
I'm ready to party the Elvis Duran after Party.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Oh bank God, Nicole and Maria they finally made it.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yay.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Nicole and Jimmy and of course Maria q Caine. You
get the whole name in there, Mom and daughter of course,
the stars of our Mother Knows Death podcast on the
Elvis Dran Podcast Network. May I'll just give give you
a little business by the way, sure in all of
our podcasts on our network, you guys are one of
the best. You guys are doing so well, you're killing it.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Speaking of killing it, of your weekly podcast, of course,
focuses on pathology, forensics, death, and you don't do it
in an overly clinical way. You guys talk about all
these incredible fun subjects in a way we understand what
you're saying, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Thanks. I feel like when I was in college, I
had a really hard time understanding all of these fancy
medical words, so I had to dumb it down for myself.
You know, I'm a high school drop well, so you
know I had to bring it down to my level.
But that I feel like that that helps me explain
it to people better.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
But both of you are I feel stupid after a moment.
I'll show you both because you both are so educated,
especially you know, hyper focusing on pathology. And it's just
don't you feel like you learned something every time you
hang out.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
With them without a doubt. I mean, even if you
just follow them on Instagram or follow Mother Knows Death
and Missus and Jemmy on Instagram, you learned so much
about like mister diagnoses and all kinds of other things.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Well, God, you brought them to us first. Yeah, you
had them on your podcast. What was it that was
so interesting to you about them that made us go,
oh my god? So you know we were gonna steal
them from you.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I love women in science number one, so that is
always exciting to me. But this stories that they have,
especially Nicole about her time doing you know, pathology assistant
research and pulling things apart. And when she said, everything
that gets taken out of a body comes to her
and then she gets to analyze it and kind of
break like figure out what happened here or what's going
(02:17):
on with it. I was riveted, especially when you find
out some of the things that come out of a body.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
So you would go in with all the pathology team,
and after someone passes away, you go inside to try
to figure out why they died.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Two different there's two different divisions of our job, which
is one is surgical pathology. So any single thing that
ever gets taken out of a person's body goes to
our lab. So that could be something as simple as
teeth or a quarter a kid swallowed. Also really weird
stuff people put in their bodies.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
A lot of guys tripping and fallen in the shower.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, yeah, guys landing on things. What's the weirdest things
ever come to you? I'm sure I've said this before.
It's the half eaten pair.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I don't remember what there's a story behind it. Tell
the half eaten pairs.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Oh yeah, some woman put a pair in her husband's
rectum and started eating it and it got sucked up.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
They say, never put things in there that isn't connected, or.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
It's a broad based.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Like a ball and chain like a tether ball. Wow, okay,
but it was eaten and then.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
But what's cool though, is like you know, she was
talking about teeth, but also a bullet. You will take
that and analyze that right. Or a breast implant, Oh yeah,
we got anything.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I have gotten a bullet before. We don't commonly get
them because they should go right to the medical examiner's
office with the body. But yeah, I mean breast implants
that fail, penis and plants that fail. Wow, things like
and obviously we get other things like breasts entire breast
if a person has breast cancer, colon if a person
has colon cancer.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
Oh so when I had my breast reduced, they said
that they sent mine out to get checked, and that's
how I found out I was higher risk for breast
cancer because everything gets checked and they send it out
when they take it out of your body.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yeah, so it would come to me and we would weigh,
especially in reduction cases. Sometimes the weight of it has
to do if insurance will pay for it or not,
if it's cosmetic, or if it's actually causing you medical problems.
And we cut it up and we look for tumors
and we have found incidental cancers and those.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
My thought is this, If I go into my doctor
every year for my physical you know, they scan, they poke,
and prod and that's as bed as far as they
get blood. Of course, blood that helps. What is wrong
with the thought here? I just want to go in
as a somewhat healthy functioning guy. I want you to
put me on the table and just start digging around
(05:01):
in there and try to find something wrong. Is that?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I mean? Is that a stupid way to try to
see if anyone has a problem brewing inside? Or I
mean it's very invasive, I would assume.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
But an autopsy, I want to want to I want
to as like being alive, you want I.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Want to be a living autopsy?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
All right, So this is what I would recommend you.
They have these full body ct and MRIs you can
get as it doesn't have to be ordered by your doctor.
You can go and and pay to get that done
if you really want to find out. That's as close
as you're getting. No One, no doctor is going to
cut you open and just peek around and make sure everything's.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Why not, what's what's your problem?
Speaker 5 (05:45):
What could possibly go wrong?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Anytime you open the abdomen or the chest, your you
can cause scarring and adhesions, which is how Lisa Marie
Presley died.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Actually what Lisa Marie Pressley died because of scarring.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Yeah, from surgical Wow.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Hey, let's talk about that for a second. Can we
talk about the book. Yes, Okay, So Nicole's writing a
book about celebrity deaths. This is gonna be fascinating because
we're fascinated with celebrity anyway. Yeah, but when they pass away,
sometimes we don't get the whole story.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Yeah, and it's often times wrong. So I've been writing
about celebrity deaths actually for the past five years. So
I have a collection of almost a hundred of them
already because I do it every week. And yeah, I
mean it's it's really interesting. So I started writing the
book and I've only done nine so far because I
(06:39):
have until next year to write it. So I've been
just doing it every couple of days and I start.
But I'm doing everyone from really interesting ones like Gene
Hackman that just died and higher profile cases like Lisa Marie,
but also older ones like Gilda Radner and al Capone
died from syphilis. It's just so interesting.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Wait wait, back up. Wow, I know al Capone, I
can see, But Gilda Radner died from so civil No, no, no, she.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Has a varying kid. I'm just.
Speaker 7 (07:08):
What about Amy wine House.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Will she be in there, Amy Winehouse will be in there. Yeah.
I wrote about her a couple of years ago because
she died from effects of the alcoholism. So it's it's
gonna be really awesome. Really, it's it's comprehensive, just people
Alex Trebek, Steve Jobs, just Freddie Mercury, just really it's
it's awesome, And it's just it's not a lot of reading,
(07:29):
because I'm not a huge reader like that. You could
read one and be done and go back to it
and start off. It's not a continuous book.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Like a fun little anthology. Yeah, it's just like cliff notes.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
You know.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
One of the things that she said that I thought
was so fascinating. I think about it all the time
whenever we hear a cause of death now, is that
cardiac arrest as a cause of death is kind of
a cop out because everyone's gonna die when their heart stops,
of course, but what caused the heart to stop is
more interesting in what they kind of try to analyze that.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
It literally just happened yesterday because I wrote it down
because I want to put it in my book. So
Michael Jackson was the most That's what they were saying
he died of cardiac arrest. But cardiac arrest just major
heart stops. So like, no, shit, that's how everybody dies, right.
But yeah, so they just did it with Jane Goodall.
They just came out and said her cause of death
(08:20):
was cardiac arrest. I just saw it, and she died
from complications of old age, which, well, that.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Was your favorite to you, right, because that's how they
said the queen died old age.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Old age doesn't answer my question, like the body just
gives out?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Okay, what's the scientific term for the body just gives up?
Speaker 4 (08:39):
And there's things that happen as you age, like your
blood vessels become weaker, and you can get calcifications and
things like that which can lead to stroke and coronary
artery disease and things like that. But that would be
what you put on the death certificate. That's what would
be the cause of death, not old age.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Old age.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I love it and I use it in my lecture.
Is an example of her actual death certificate. It says
old agent.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
That's wild that I wanted to stay in mind too.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
And you know, in the hospital and stuff, we always
have doctors that put cardiac arrest, and then we have
to go up to them and say this is this
is not a cause of death, like change it, figure
out what happened and be more specific.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So it's funny though, because we had an episode coming
out this week. Actually we had another expert, justin Scott
Morgan on our show and the two of them are
geeking out about causes of death, and we were talking
about a story where a woman unfortunately was kicked in
the chest by a student and died. And I said,
as a layperson, I'm accepting a face value that she
just got kicked and died. And they're talking about all this.
You know, she could have her heart could have stopped,
(09:41):
she could have had a clog, all this other stuff,
and I'm just mind blown by.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
The kicked and died the certificate. I wanted to to say,
just gave up. He just gave up, give up, he
was done, so go ahead.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Is there a lot of conflict then between doctors and
pathology teams when they put something like that on a
death certificate and you guys come back and say no, no, no,
you need to change that. Do you guys argue about it?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
No?
Speaker 4 (10:14):
They're usually pretty good it's just kind of a pain
because we have to track them down and sometimes you
know they're gone for their night, they're not coming back
for two days, and things like that could hold up
the process. But oftentimes they especially if they're getting an autopsy,
they might think that they know what the cause of
death was and then we open them and we change
it because it's different. Well so and they don't get
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they don't argue with it, like we just can show
them this is what it is. Come look and there's
no arguing. It's science right like it's it is what
it is.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
By the way, you're listening to Mother Knows Death with
Nicole and her daughter Maria Stars from our podcast every
week the pathology, forensics, death and fun stuff that goes
along with it. In your book, though, of your anatomy book, yes,
do you have Is there an an actual alphabet like
as for anus? Can you recite every single letter?
Speaker 4 (11:06):
No, it's because I had to do. I wanted it
to be an alphabet and some things I had to
there's there's not really an anatomical organ you would say
for Z for example, So I use zygomatic bone, which
is your dis bone in your face. Here your cheekbone,
so that sometimes I used a whole organ like the heart.
(11:27):
Sometimes I used I might used circulatory system just to
just to fit it in. But yeah, it was very hard.
I used X chromosome okay, yeah, but it just it
just was random. But I had to do it just
because I felt like that would be easier for people
to look at body parts. I just say it's body
(11:49):
parts because I think I use arm like that's not
I guess extremity. Maybe I used I don't really know.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
This is my point. I need for you to nail
down the official out for bet get back to me
next time and.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
First light it by hard. Yeah. I'm just like, I know,
there's anus, extramity. Everything's there, every single part of your
body and every organ, adrenal, gland, elvis. I didn't write
that book for like three years. My memory is just
the best memory and the worst memory.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
It's weird and funny what the brain will hold on
to and what it was. So let's talk about that.
As far as the body goes, you can see how
a tendon works, you can see how a bone works
or whatever. But when it comes to the brain, that's
a whole other world. That's a it's like it's like
deep sea diving. It's you're you're you're diving down to
the bottom of the ocean, and it's it's a world
(12:48):
that we're still finding out more and more every day.
What have you discovered in your travels as far as
pathology about the brain, Like what has fascinated you?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Well, most people don't realize this, but they're specific. You know,
there's specific brain surgeons. Well, there's specific pathologists that just
do brain and spinal quarter or the nervous system. And
so when we look when we take out a brain
and look at it autopsy, we're looking for something that's
(13:21):
blatantly obvious, like they had a stroke and aneurysm, there's
a tumor or something like that, but the very specific
neurological things that could happen to people. We take that
brain and we save it aside, and a special neuropathologist
will dissect it days later and look at it and
(13:42):
come up with a diagnosis if it's something like more
specific like MS or als or something like that.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yes, are you saying you didn't go to class on
brain day.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Day?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
People? Exactly, Like it's a whole other field of medicine accent.
It's just and it's it's very hard to tell. When
they slice the brain, they'll just look at it and say, oh,
this minute little thing is this and this. I mean,
you can't see things grossly with your naked eye, like
schizophrenic or something like that. But you could see Alzheimer's.
(14:16):
You could see CTE. The chronic traumatic encephalopathy is the
one that you associate with football players, you know, hitting
their head in multiple concussions. So you could see that.
But that's their specialty, and most regular doctors don't want
to deal with the brain because it's like a whole
other beast.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Wow, I bet well. One of the things I learned
from her about the brain, and our dentist, Elvis, he
listened to the podcast and was so happy she brought
it up, was how very closely your mouth is connected
to your brain, and if you do not take care
of your mouth, what can happen to your brain.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Maybe that's my problem.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
I'm positive.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I'm going today. I'll have them do me right, chick
that up.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
I mean, essentially, covity can kill you, right.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Yeah, it really can.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Talk about how they can kill you.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
I actually had a really crazy case of a young
girl in her early twenties that had a wisdom tooth
pulled out and then she just got a terrible infection
and we got her whole entire jaw resected that they
sent down to the lab because she had osteomylitis, which
is an infection in the bone, and they had to
(15:25):
remove her entire jaw because of it. A lot of
times people take for granted these minor procedures that we
get done, and there could be really bad complications with
simple things. I just did a case for on my
Instagram account. I do mystery diagnosis every week, and this
(15:46):
week I had a picture of a person that got
a full sleeve tattoo who died and they got toxic
shock syndrome from getting tattooed. And whenever you hear about that,
people think, Tampa, Yeah, that's like drilled into our head, right,
But really, you can get it from something as minor
(16:07):
of a procedure as a tattoo, because it breaks the
skin and it allows in this special kind of bacteria
that can release toxins that could spread to your organs
and kill you. So it's and you could get it
with a scrape or anything. It's just and people think
tattoos or everybody has a tattoo, but it is you're
(16:28):
putting a large abrasion over your skin that could let
you're letting down that protective barrier and bacteria from the
outside world could get in really easily.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
What's up scary?
Speaker 8 (16:42):
You know, I'm fascinated with the liver because I know
that that's associated with drinking and stuff. Could you tell
right away when you see a liver, like, oh, that
person drink a lot over their lifetime, and what does
that look like.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
So first, when you drink a lot, you get your
liver starts to get replaced by fat and it gets
it actually gets bigger than it normally should get. And
it's really cool because sometimes when you open the body,
the liver's so big that you could see the impressions
from the ribs because it's pushing up against the ribs.
It's really I mean, it's not cool for them obviously,
(17:13):
but it's cool scientifically. And then once it has so fatty,
liver is considered to be reversible. So if you ever
get diagnosed with that, if you stop drinking, it could
go back to normal. But once it starts scarring up,
it gets cirrhosis, and then it starts to shrink and
it looks very nodular and it's very striking. You can
(17:34):
tell the difference and it becomes smaller, and you also
get associated things with that. You can get hemorrhoids, and
if there's any kind of a blockage of the portal system,
which is a part of the circulatory system that goes
through the liver, it can make blood back up into
the anus with hemorrhoids, and it could also do it
(17:57):
in the esophagus. You could get swelling in the legs,
you could get your your spleen could get really big.
So there's kind of a pattern you see with it
as well. Wow fluid you ever see like an alcoholic
might have, like a belly that looks pregnant on a man,
It's just filled with fluid. It's just a whole picture
you see when you when you open them up.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
That's how my system was after college.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
A little bit difference between like the fat the fat
because that's the omental fat. That's the fat that sits
on top of your organs that acts as not only
protection for your organs, but it insulates and keeps them
to your body temperature.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
As well, so, as you know, mother and daughter doing
a podcast together, how much fun do you have when
you sit in front of those microphones both of you
talk to me about a topic or two you've had
recently on the podcast, where you just go on and
on because you're so excited about where you're going. You
have way too much material because you just get so
passionate about how much fun you're having something.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
This is the memory thing. It's like people say, would you,
I'm like, I don't even know what we talked about.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I mean you like to go down the morose, gross
avenue from time to time, and.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Oh yeah, we have fun. You know. We have some
stories where we end up going on tangents where we
start talking about personal stuff. We really love making fun
of my grandparents. They're such easy targets and our listeners
love hearing the stories. So those are always fun. And
then we fight sometimes and the listeners.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Seem to like that, so we do. We fight, and
then they and I'm just like, she's my kid. I'm sorry,
I'm gonna put her in a place, but she's like,
you're a boomer. Stop it.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Like also, just two Italian women talking to each other,
So I think people think we're always fighting, but it's.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
You should see our family parties. It's everyone is talking
over each other and it's really loud.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
No.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I mean yesterday though, I went on especially a tangent
about Kevin Federline's book for probably way too long, and
everybody didn't want to hear about it. But we get
passionate about things, and I feel bad for Brittany so good.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Yeah, and I have a different opinion, are you too? Yeah?
So that was a like I was just like, nah,
so yeah, I just look at it like like he
he bowled her out. And this is some of the
stuff that that was in that book, if it's true,
is like if that was a person that was living
(20:19):
in your neighborhood, you'd be like that person's scumbag.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
And she have their kids, right, like, this is the
mother of his children, thank you, And she already has
issues that he has said she's helped with, so putting
this out there is not helping the woman.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And what are the kids thinking? How can you do
that to your children?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I agree, I think he's exploiting a mentally unwell person,
thank you. And it doesn't matter if the kids are
five or forty five. I just think there's a point
where you don't keep talking about it.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
But but she said she wanted them dead, So I
think that they're like.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
How do we know?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
She said that it's not there?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Now do we know?
Speaker 5 (20:54):
She's evolving into hell?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Here we go?
Speaker 4 (20:57):
He said.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
She said, are there any celebrities that you look at
or people in general that you look at and you
can tell before you cut into them, before anything comes out,
that person has something going on? They're a little sick,
and you know what it is?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Oh yeah, lots of different things.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Why you look at me like that?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
And sometimes I see certain things like one of one
thing is is clubbing of the fingertips, right, So it's
very unusual and I could pick it out on a
person if their fingertips, it's the certain way that their
fingernails look on the on the tips of their fingers.
And you can look at a person and just say, Okay,
(21:36):
they might have some kind of lung pathology or hard
pathology going on. There's some association with it that they're
not one hundred percent sure of the mechanism of it,
but it might have something to do with just an
increase of blood flow to the fingertips. That's causing their
fingernails to look weird.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
But it is something talk about like look at my okay,
don't look at that one. A nail went thro that
fingernail to ignore that one.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Yours look fine. They look they look very specific. I
don't think anyone here if you had them, I would
be like, yo, she'll have telling you good, that's good,
save your life. Yeah I did. I will tell somebody
if I see something that I think is alarming and
she yells at me, because I'll just say something to
somebody at the.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Mall, say.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I told a strangers, hey, by the way, what will
you see on someone? Give it us An example of this.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Guy that was checking us out once he had this
this baker cyst. I saw that. I was just like,
oh yeah, baker systo.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It wasn't like that for every twenty buying the kids
clothes and she just goes baker cysts.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
That develops and you know, like in your wrist there.
I just thought it was I do. I see people
all the time, and especially with the when I was
writing the book, I see such rare pathology sometimes that
I'm like, oh God, I really just I'm not trying
to be rude, like I will. I want them to
tell their story. And I feel like I feel like
I do that because a lot of times people look
(23:05):
really unusual and people are not nice to them, and
they stare at them and they and they're curious. But
people are just curious and they just want to know.
And I think the more you just talk about all
these different conditions that people could have and just it's normal,
they won't feel so isolated. You know.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Yeah, I get that, and I've I've been really interested
and I've talked to her about this before because she
sees all kinds of things. I said, is there something
that you would never allow your children to do because
of what you see? The aftermath is when people come out.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Yeah. I mean there's lots of different things, Like some
parents are crazier than me as far as like the
trampoline park and stuff. I don't really care about that stuff,
but I do. There's been a lot of things with
rides recently of people getting killed on brides and I
do I let them do it, but thank god my
(24:00):
husband let them go in that big drop thing and
he took them and I was just like, thank god
I wasn't there because I feel like I might, I
might be kind of a drag, Like I don't let
them cross a big street in my town when every
other kid in my town is allowed across it. Like
I'm just like scared because my kids are you know,
kids say are real zoned out. They're just like and
(24:20):
people are drunk and drive or texting, yeah, and they'll
go right up on the sidewalk, And I'm just always
I'm really scared about that, Like I worry about it
a lot.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
I remember you specifically saying motorcycles are an absolutely for you.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
That's a no now. These e bikes, yeah, we're the
scooter rentals when we go travel and things. I'm like, no, now,
especially with no helmets. You were crazy and a lot
of I have friends all around the country that work
in emergency rooms and stuff, and just tell me, like,
we're seeing these people, especially in cities like Miami or
(24:54):
something that has them, like they're the emergency room and
trauma there are seeing them often just people that are
visiting that are going forty miles an hour on a scooter.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Like it's bad, you know, Puse there's no helmet laws there.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
I don't think I don't think so either.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
No, I see people in Miami ripping at one hundred
miles an hour on ninety five with no helmet on whatsoever. Yeah,
that's frightening.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Wow, honestly, like the helmet is not going to do anything.
Like if you're going slower, definitely, but if you're going
nine to miles an hour, I don't know that that's
saving your life. It's kind of a false sense of security.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Have you ever in your time in a pathology session?
What would you call that when you're actually doing the
autopsy right, Sorry, you actually get emotional and had to
leave the room, and you're thinking, if only this person
had made this different decision, they wouldn't be here right now.
Do you ever get that wound up with it? Or
(25:56):
do you just look at the body parts as body
parts and try to figure it out.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I mean, I've had certain situations where I've gone home
and been maybe a little upset about something, but not
to the point where I couldn't do my job or
had to set aside, you know, Like, so you're heartless. Yeah,
that's exactly why I'm not a nurse, because I just
(26:20):
can turn it off pretty easy.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
But don't you feel like you become numb because you
see so much of this.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
No, it's I don't know that it really ever bothered me.
It's very it's very easy for me to disconnect from it.
And I feel like if I was too connected, it
would be I wasn't doing my job or something.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Yeah, I mean there's certain cases like we had a
guy that was that and this is just like a
kind of boring death. The guy at pneumonia, he was forty,
but then his wife had had made sure in his
body bag, like his Eagles hat was with them, and
I just like, you know, that makes it like more personal,
and you're like, oh god, this guy was going to
watch the game this weekend and his and his wife
(27:00):
and he's my age, or you know, stuff like that.
And one time we got a colon in the lab
for Colon Cam. It was on a nineteen year old
girl and there was an obstruction. So that was not
what we were thinking at all, because nineteen year olds
just don't get colon cancer, right, And then we went
down to get coffee and we're and then the family
(27:22):
was in the coffee shop thinking like, she'll be at
a surgery soon. It's I'm sure it's not that big
of a deal, and I'm like thinking, no, she actually
has really like stage three cancer. I just looked at it,
you know, but I but I feel bad, and then
I just I don't know, like it you can't really
function in any I think if you talk to emergency
(27:42):
room doctors or anything, it's just like you know, my
you know, my husband's a firefighter. It's the same thing.
Like you can't sit there and feel bad right at
the moment, like you go home and you're just kind
of like, yeah, that was unfortunate.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
So if you have advice for us how we stay alive?
What is it that we need to do that? You
see constantly people are messing up.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
What mistake are we making? Over and over?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
People aren't gonna want to hear this. But alcohol's terrible. Okay,
it's just terrible.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Well are you looking at me like that?
Speaker 4 (28:16):
It's I feel like the as the most recent study
that there's no amount of alcohol that is is I
don't want to sound like like like a what's a
fun sucker from Debbie down? Yeah, like straight, yeah, I
mean in moderation everything, you know, besides crack or something.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
But yeah, there was so many, so many years I
would go by saying, you know what, you need to
have a glass of red wine every single day whatever.
But now the news studies are saying no, you should
have nothing with alcohol at all.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
To say nothing is is just kind of It's like
the same theory I have with taking YouTube away from
my kids, like if I take it one hundred percent
away from them, that it's just gonna make them want
it more. Kind of. So I think people can do
it once in a while, but just a lot of
people drink and multiple days a week, multiple drinks and
(29:12):
think that they're not an alcoholic, when in fact that
would be the definition. So and then that's when I
mean the social and the and the brain damage you're
doing is one thing. I'm just talking about damage to
the body itself, because it not only damages your liver,
could damage your heart. And and then of course smoking
(29:33):
is the worst thing that was ever introduced to our
society ever for health purposes.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
It's all the fun stuff, the smoking, the drinking. Are
you gonna say sugar, No, I mean moderate.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
I don't know moderation. I don't want to be like
that because like please like look at me, like I
eat a lot of sugar, you know, like, I'm not.
I'm not like trying to. I don't drink, though, I'm
kind of I'm not. I've seen enough. I used to
do liver the liver transplants or the explants, which is
(30:07):
the bad liver that they took out of someone before
they put the new liver in. And I just saw
a lot of it and it was enough to you know,
scare you. Yeah, wow, No to self, you need and
you don't want to have to ever get a liver
transplant if you don't need one, it's it's like really
life changing, altering surgery.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
You know.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
So I don't want anything if I don't have to
get it taken out or put in exactly good.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
So, So coming up on some future podcasts, I know
you have no memory whatsoever. Maybe it's a lack of alcohol,
too much sugar, I don't know. Do you have any
podcast topics coming up that you are just excited to
push play on and let the world here.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yes, we are interviewing the prosecutor from the Golden State
killer case, and that's one of my favorite true crime cases.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Talk about it.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Do you know about this crime at all a little bit?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
But I'm nowhere near as much as you know obviously.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
So these crimes took place in California back in the seventies.
For a very long time, they believed it was three
different perpetrators. So one was just a man burglarizing houses,
the second was somebody committing sexual assault, and the third
was a murderer. And through all these years they were
able to tie them to one person.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Really through the.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Help of Pat and Oswald's former wife, Michelle McNamara.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
So she really helped reopen that case and get some
traction behind it, and she unfortunately passed away before they
found the killer. But just in twenty eighteen, I believe
they were able to take DNA from a rape kit
and they found the man and he was in his
seventies living with his daughter and they arrested him. So
that was kind of a groundbreaking case for forensics using
(31:46):
DNA in that type of way, and we were very
fortunate to have the prosecutor coming on our show.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Wow, it's exciting.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, So next time Nate's out murdering someone, give him
a little tip, what like what are they leaving behind?
And maybe not your specialty, but I'm sure maybe you've
seen as far as evidence on a body. What are
we leaving behind that's gonna get us thrown in prison?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Hair is number one? And then in the Idaho murder's case,
he left behind a fingerprint on the knight's sheath. They
were able to extract DNA from that.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
What else are people leaving?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
But you know, people think they're just such good criminals,
and you would think they would get better over time
with all the access to internet and these stories we have,
but they're just getting worse.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Sloppy, sloppy work, Nate.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Sorry, I'll do better next time.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Curely any DNA left behind, bad idea. Well has matt
suits to kill people's This is.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Why they say if you ever get attacked or anything,
to make sure that you scratch the you know them,
to get DNA because that can really that's really gonna
be the way to really catch anyone for sure, because
a lot of stuff is circumstantial and you don't want
somebody getting off you know who else? Oh we have
(33:01):
So do you remember Gabby Petito case?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Yeah, so, I'm interviewing her stepfather this week and that
will be on next next week. We're doing that, Yeah, so,
and he's awesome. Jim Schmidt. So he's also a fireman,
so we have this like connection to talk about things,
and so he's we're going to really just talk about
that case and just all of the trauma their family
(33:27):
has been through a lot of it. I haven't heard
really on the news or that perspective, So I'm looking
forward to that the podcast.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Of course, Mother Knows Death, of course Mom and Daughter.
It makes sense to me. You guys are always so
interesting when you come see us. Thank you so much
all day. Thank you. We didn't get as gross in
ichy this time.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
There's still time.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Well, ask a Nike question, a question. What's the ichiest
thing you've been studying lately?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
What did you just see on my instagram?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Oh? Yeah, on the instagram, the first thing you see.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Is it was the word smegma, which we're not sure
if it's smegma or smegma, but there was a what
was a hairball amegma covered hairball that you were covered someone.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Covering someone's i U D That was removed so when
they so. An i U D is an inner uterine
device that is put up inside of the uterus as
a birth control and it has little strings that hang
off of it. Like little plastic sutures that hang off
of it, so it could be pulled out if it
needs to. It's also really important that that thing stays
(34:41):
in place because that's considered a foreign body, and they
like to your body likes to attack it, and it does.
It recognizes is it foreign, and it pushes it. So
it could go through your uterus, it could go into
your colon. It can move. I had a case on
my website, the Gross Room that it moved out someone's
(35:02):
as well, like they found it in their as Yes,
so they can push through. So those strings hanging in
someone's vagina, anyone that's ever had an I U D.
They I guess that's why it extra gross them out
because there was a hairball stuck to it. So you think, well,
how did hair get up there all the way up?
Speaker 3 (35:22):
How did it get up there?
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Yeah, we understand the Smegma part.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Central intercourse.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Yeah, I would. I would say yes, through through sex.
I mean, if you have hair around the hole, it's
found to get off there, is it? I mean, I
I don't know. I would just like one one.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Together, fascinating.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
There's so much good stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Nicole and Maria, thank you so much for coming in today.
The podcast, of course, Mother Knows Death, a part of
the Elvis DRAN podcast network and doing brilliantly.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
By the way, the Elvis da Ran after party
Speaker 4 (36:08):
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