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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have a lot
of great stories for you guys this week. Don't forget
that we don't cover all of the stories, and we
do an additional episode on YouTube live in the Gross
Room every week. We have an update today for you
on the escaped research monkeys, remember the ones that authority
said had herpes. A man who brings new meaning to
(00:43):
the word meat packer, a thirty year old guy who
faced multiple child rape charges and left behind some permanent evidence,
essentially confessing to the crime. And then we're going to
talk about the importance or unimportance of thumbs. And a
woman who medical supplies and discovered something very morbid when
(01:03):
she opened the box. Well, end the episode with your emails,
questions and comments. All that and more. Today, let's get
started with this monkey story. Okay, so last week, you
guys will remember we reported on a car accident involving
lab monkeys which resulted in several of them getting loose. So,
if you recall, the monkeys were thought to be infected
with herpes hepatitis tea in COVID, so when police later
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encountered five of them, they were the word they use
was destroyed, so they killed them basically for no reason,
because they were later found out to not be infectious
at all. Anyway, part of the story is that three
of the monkeys were still on the loose, so one
of them ended up getting captured by authorities later, and
then over the weekend, one of them was seen in
the backyard of a home by a sixteen year old boy,
(01:48):
who then alerted his mother, who then in turn shot
the monkey because she was trying to protect her family.
I mean, I kind of don't blame her, Honestly, I
don't blame her.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I just feel so hard for these monkeys.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I do too. And let me say this, if she's
a person that doesn't watch the news and keep an
eye on it as much as we do, or just
heard anything going on, just people talking in the street,
the only thing that she might have heard of this
story was that there were these agitated, highly aggressive monkeys
(02:22):
that are infected with herpes covid and hepatitis, which is
transmissible to humans. That might be the last she heard
of it. She might not hear that that was not
correct information and that they were just research monkeys, and
they weren't infectious, and they weren't agitated, annoyed and aggressive, right,
So of course she's going to do that to protect
(02:45):
her family because maybe her children are going and playing
in the yard. Even if she has older kids that
are just walking out to the car, they you would
be scared that this thing would attack them, right, I mean,
I really don't blame her.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
No, totally, because even if they said they weren't aggressive.
I mean, the monkey is in an unusual situation and
if she were to go outside, it could feel threatened
and then attack a human. So I understand why she
did it. I just think this whole situation was such
a miss.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah it is. I mean, I just think that people
would have handled it differently if the correct information was
given out from the beginning, because that story really went viral.
I was hearing people that don't even talk about medical
things talk about it because it's it's just kind of
funny to think of a monkey as having her pies,
(03:36):
you know, even though they definitely get it, it's just
it's kind of silly in a way. But yeah, this
is how it ends. And is she in trouble? Like
what's any charges against her for shooting this animal, or
is she in an area that she's legally allowed to
do that.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Well, I didn't see if she was getting charged or anything.
I think if this were happening to me, I don't
think I would immediate I'm going to shoot it. I'd
probably call like animal control person and lock myself in
my home. But I don't know what goes on in
Mississippi and how they treat things. So if she thought
this was the best course of action, I guess that's
the way she took.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So like I don't, I don't know it.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I don't think that would be my first thought to
go grab my gun and go shoot a monkey in
my backyard. I definitely think i'd call some tip of
authorities before handling it myself. But I have no idea
what people do down there.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
All right, I think we need to talk about this.
This meatpacker.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
So a sixty seven year old man went to the
hospital complaining of pain and a feeling of fullness and
his rectum in inus areas, but didn't remember anything because
he drank a bunch of alcohol the night before. So
I think everybody that listens to this show knows where
the story is going, But what did they find?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
So they asked him, like, is there any way that
there's anything up there? And first he denied it, and
then he finally was like, Okay, there may be something
up there, but I don't know what it is, and
I don't know how it got up there, and I
was at home drinking by myself. So they did a see.
So they did a rectal exam first, and they found
(05:11):
they felt something that was very hard in the anal opening,
and then they pushed their finger up further and found
that it was kind of squishy. So they did a
CT scan to see what was going on, and they
saw this large object filling up the rectum, not only
the anal rectal region, but going all the way up
into the stigmoid colon, and it had what appeared to
(05:37):
be metal clips on both ends of it. Now, when
I say normally, if you would look at like, let's
say a CT scan of a person that poops regularly,
you wouldn't see it all the way up into the
stigmoid colon and the left colon. If people are going
to the bathroom regularly, So there's a lot it's very
(05:59):
far up there. That's what I'm trying to get at
here so far that when this was measured it was
almost a foot long. Wow, so that I mean, think
about sticking a roller up your butt? How far up
your colon? It's going to go right. So, when they
ended up removing it, do you know what it was? Well?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I was confused at first because when you're reading this report,
it said that they determined it wasn't the sex sway
or anything like that, and then due to the fatty content,
they determined it was food.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So then the.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Guy's basically like, I did have a bat in saw
Is that how you say? A baton sausage lying around
my house? And I don't know what happened to it.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yes, it was a frickin' sausage that was clipped off
at both ends with metal. It's a giant, huge, foot
long piece of sausage that he just totally didn't know
was up his butt. I mean, how much.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Are you drinking that you don't remember you stuck something
that large into your butt?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
He members, I'm sure he remembers. It's just that, like
I always say this, I'm not a dude, so I
never even would pretend to say that I know what
that would feel like embarrassment wise, but I'm pretty sure
walking into an emergency room, you know, you sit down
(07:20):
and they say, what are you here for? Oh my
leg hurts, it's bleeding whatever, No, this is you have
to say this to the person the clerk, and then
you have to say it to the triage nurse, and
then you have to say it to a bunch of
other nurses and a bunch of doctors and get imaging,
and just like the whole thing must be super embarrassing.
(07:42):
So I guess he thought. I don't even know what
he thought, because ultimately they were going to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Right, Well, you've discussed this before too, right, Like you
can't go from zero to one hundred, So you can't
just go from never putting anything up there to something
that large, right, So clearly he was working his to it.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I mean like, technically you could, but it would be
super painful, it would cause tears, it would just not
It's not It's not a beginner sex toy, Okay, like
a twelve inch thick sausage is not his first rodeo.
Do you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I thought at first when you were saying, there's like
the metal clips on the end. It was gonna be
like Pillsbury cookie dough.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
So that's literally what that's literally what it is. It
reminds me of when you get the Pillsbury cookie dough,
like the the role that you cut off and just
put the cookies onto the sheet. That's exactly what it is.
It's got those metal clips on the end, and it's
this big thick plastic thing. Was it in the case,
(08:47):
I don't. I hope it was in some well, obviously
it had to be in some kind of casing for
them to get it out. I don't know if it
was in a plastic container, like wrapped in plastic, or
if it was just the sausage in casing.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
No, because you know, the cookie dough is like wrapped
in plastic and there's the little metal clips like tying
it off at the end. So it was probably similar packaging.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Possibly, but they could just do that with casing too.
I suppose it's you know, like I'm thinking, it's it's
like like a Jimmy Dean sausage, you know those ones
that come like that, Or no, it's not the little
like the little ones. Yeah, it's like it's it's like
a farmer one. It's not like a soft Italian sausage.
(09:28):
It's like something like a salami or pepperoni thing that's
like a little bit thicker and harder meat. I would suppose.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I was trying to look up how you pronounce this sausage,
and it was just it could be a thousand different things.
There was like a French pronunciation. I guess this sausage
is popular in Louisiana, so they down there, they some
people speak friends. So it was like baton or baton
or I was like, is it like baton rouge?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
To pronounce it, but whatever it was, it was this
gigantic sausage. Do you not recommend? And if you're drinking
to the point that you're sticking something like that up
your butt, you.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Need to go to it. I have no problem with
people doing this. I just think in twenty twenty five
it's it's just unacceptable to be doing something like that.
You could probably go on Amazon. I don't want to
check right now because then when my kids are in
my Amazon account, I don't want them to see that.
I already looked up sex toys. Remember that was not
(10:27):
sex toys. Sex dolls, like three thousand dollars sex dolls,
which I had to get out of my my views
or whatever. But you can probably if you decided that
you wanted to do that, you could probably get one
sent to you between five and ten pm tonight if
you really wanted to, Oh for sure. So just don't
(10:49):
use things like that. I mean, they have sex toys
that are exactly that girth and size that you could
use that that this won't happen.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, But I think it boils back down to like
people being inbarrassed, Like you would be embarrassed that that's
in your purchase history on Amazon, right, but you're not
embarrassed that you stuck a foot long sausage.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Up your butthole. So, like, I don't really.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Understand what goes on in people's minds. And now that
it's Christmas time, like I was just at Target and
all those like little ceramic Christmas trees are coming out,
you know, and I see all these people on Instagram
and TikTok being like this is the season for er visits.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Unfortunately, every season is for er visits because people use
whatever is laying around and they just don't think about
the fact that it's going to get sucked up there
and stuck and you will not be able to get
it out. It Really, it's such a shitty a literal,
it's shit, a shitty situation for someone to be in,
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because it's not like, I mean, in your personal time
when you're doing that, it's not like you're doing anything wrong.
You could do that if you want to do it,
and it's just like you're forced to go to the
hospital and get it taken care of. You can't get
it out. It's just terrible. I wish I could have
just a public service announcement over the TV when it
(12:10):
starts making that weird noise and just tell men to
just stop.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
All right. This next story is from twenty thirteen, but
for some reason it's circulating again. So in Oregon, this
thirty year old man was in a relationship with a
teenager and for her fifteenth birthday, he not only tattooed
a butterfly with a skull on her neck, but he
also tattooed his name with a clover near her vagina.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, I didn't. I don't remember hearing about this story
when it happened, so I know that it is older,
but I feel like we should still talk about it
because it happened. I guess. The coolest part of this
story is that, so I guess, to his defense, she
told him she was older. I don't know, admitted that
(12:54):
to the police. She admitted that to the police, So
she's she, I guess, was fourteen when the relationship started
and said that she was older. I don't know how
that went down, and I don't understand how the police
got involved, but probably because her parents. I mean, just
think about your kid that age, just getting tattoos in general,
(13:15):
and then being like, where did you get this from?
And digging yourself and figuring this out. So the police
got involved. And then at one point there was a
female detective that was pretending to be her and having
conversations with him, and he basically admitted it. During the
conversations she so this female detective had said, Hey, do
(13:40):
you still have those pictures you took of me? And
he said no, but I want you to take new ones.
I want full body picks, face picks. I want to
see your nipples and my vagina. Baby, after all, my
name is on it. Oh my god, Like, what a
scumbag number one and what an idiot, just well, you're
(14:01):
gonna tattoo. I mean, I guess you could say. I'm
not a fan of anyone getting a tattoo of someone's
name next to their vagina. It's probably just like if
a man asked you to do that. They're trying to
control you, obviously and mark you as their property, which
I am not for anyway. But I guess if he
(14:24):
really did believe that she was eighteen, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Well, let me tell you, since this case is so old,
I looked up where this guy is today, and you
just won't even believe me.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Well, I'm sure he's not in jail, because who goes
to jail anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
At the time of this event, he was facing charges
of third degree rape and sodomy's, second degree online corruption
of a minor, and account of using child in display
of sexual explicit condext So there was kind of no
more information about what happened with those charges. But what
I did see when I looked up his name was
several domestic sick violence court cases that involved his name,
(15:03):
and then as recently as twenty eighteen, he was on
a most wanted list for two charges of sexual abuse,
three charges of rape and failing to register as a
sex offender and driving under the influence.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
That's cool, Yeah, cool that that guy's just walking around
speaking of This is a story that we we weren't
going to really talk about today because we've talked about
it so much. But did you see Jake Harrow. He's
the guy who I don't know if you guys remember
a couple of months ago that this woman had said
her baby got kidnapped out of the parking lot of
(15:35):
a sporting good store and then it was shady right
off the bat, and within the past couple of weeks
he admitted that he killed the baby. So his sentencing
was yesterday, which was very fast. Actually yeah, it was fast,
which is good. But he got twenty five to life,
(15:56):
and I just like, my mind is blown because if
you guys recall, he beat his other daughter, who was
what ten weeks old at the time. She was very
so bad and shook her so bad that she's permanently disabled,
like permanently in a wheelchair, permanently disabled. And then he
killed his next child. Why aren't people like that getting
(16:19):
life in prison without the possibility of parole.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Well, I agree with you, because it's like this the
killing of baby Emmanuel was not his first defense, and
the charges, like the senten saying, in my mind, wouldn't
have been enough for that. But he has a proven
history of violence.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
And it's I mean, child's twenty five to life. Like
if he even has a chance of getting out in
twenty five, he's young, he's still gonna be young when
he gets out.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
But how is somebody that acts like that going to
recover in prison? Like you just you permanently disabled one
child and then you killed another years later, if you're
barely getting in trouble the first time around. Yeah, I
don't think he's gonna go to jail and have like
a come to Jesus and be like, oh I'm gonna
change my whole life around and not abuse children anymore.
(17:03):
You're like it's embedded in your brain.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, I just don't. I don't understand how like one
person can kill one person and go to jail with,
you know, for life, without the possibility of parole, and
then this guy, it's like, I feel like he's still
getting another chance.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
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Speaker 1 (17:30):
Every week in the Gross Room, we do either a
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she was the mom who was having it seemed like
(17:52):
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ton of prescription medications, and then her husband came home
and found that she had killed three of her children
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We also are having a discussion going about a child
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Speaker 1 (19:00):
Were gonna have a couple stories that involve the importance
or lack thereof of importance of thumbs.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
All right, So first, this guy's going viral online after
showing that he was born without thumbs and how normal
his life could be, even though everybody seems to not
think he could do basic things like open a bottle
of water. Poor glasses of water just function in everyday life.
But he's showing that he's totally fine.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Well it it is cool because do you remember it?
Just this just made me reminded me of Meet the
Parents when they were talking about Jinxy Cat flushing the toilet,
and then Greg Fowker he said to de Niro's character, like, oh,
maybe it was Jenks that flushed the toilet, and he
(19:50):
just was like, he doesn't have thumbs. He can't flush
the toilet. So that you know, it's something that you
don't really think about, but it is. It is one
the things that they say from an evolutionary standpoint, makes
us a little bit more advanced, especially with dexterity of
our hands and things, because we have a posable thumb.
(20:11):
So you could be born with something called thumb hypopleasia,
which is either your thumb doesn't develop enough or it
just doesn't develop at all. And this guy just doesn't
have any what's really interesting to me is he doesn't
appear to be that old. He's a younger guy, right,
he's like twenty six. He's twenty six. So it's interesting
(20:35):
to me because of all of the papers that I've
read about this, it seems like they really try to
give the person of thumb in that area. They either
try to make one and create one out of the
stump that is there, if there are certain bones in
the hand that could make it movable, and if not.
(20:57):
In that case, so look at your hand and you
have your four fingers without your thumb, they'll actually amputate
when the baby's only one year old. They'll amputate the
index finger and then they'll transplant it to where the
thumb should be, so then there's three fingers on the
main part of the hand, and then the index finger
works as a thumb.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Is it typical that he would be born without both
of them, because I could see like an anomaly happening
where a baby is born without one, but.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
It commonly occurs on both hands.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Okay, that's what I was wondering.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, So I just think it's interesting that just someone
of his age, that they didn't try to do some
kind of surgery to help fix that. And maybe his
parents were like I mean, because if you think about
you have a child that's perfectly healthy, and think about
putting a one year old baby under surgery to get
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their finger amputated and transplanted to a different part of
their hand, it's a very anxious thing to think about.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Well, he had an unusual circumstance too. He was put
up for adoption in China, and then he was adopted
by a couple in the Netherlands, so moved over there.
I'm not sure what age he was when all that
went down, but that could be the reason why nothing
was done.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yet that probably is the reason. So this condition can
happen on its own, but it's also seen in a
lot of different kinds of syndromes. So I don't know
if he has any of those syndromes that you would
see a defect like this, but still interesting, and I
love the comments underneath, like that he could stick his
(22:36):
hand in a pringle can without having any kind of
a problem and he can't give a thumbs up. Things
like that. I thought it was kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
He said he could. He also make jokes about it too,
because he said that he could also easily break out
of handcuffs. I don't know if he was referring to
sexually with his girlfriend or whatever, but he also joked
that he gets twenty percent off of manicures. So least
he's you know, having fun with it and he's showing that,
you know, he's living a totally normal life. But he
(23:06):
does say he has some anxiety sometimes when he meets
new people because he doesn't know how they're gonna react, because,
as we know, when people see something that's not considered normal,
they just can't act normal at all.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
It's like insane, Well it would. It would catch you
off guard if you go to shake someone's hand and
they don't have a thumb. Yeah, it's week because they
can't like grab your hand and you're just kind of
grabbing their hand.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
It's just maybe is handshaking normal like everywhere? Or is
it an American thing. I don't know because he lives
in the Netherlands, so maybe that's not common practice over there.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I don't. I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I'm just saying, but I understand his anxiety because it's
like people just can't be normal and like not just
like gaw get it or somebody like you would be
fascinated from a scientific perspect.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
My god, if I saw him and met him, I
would be like, we need to put you in my book,
we need to take pictures like it's it's so it's
so rare. So it's it's just like cool. I think
it's cool.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
It is cool, and I like that he's showing off
how he's like, I'm living a totally regular life, don't
worry about me, Like you know, that is cool. But
on the opposite end of what you're saying with the amputation.
So there's another case in India where this twenty year
old got in this terrible accident involving a bike and
a tractor, which required his left leg and thumb to
be amputated. So they're saying, in this rare move, the
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doctors used a toe from the amputated leg and used
it to reconstruct the thumb on his left hand.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, it's I mean, just because the thumb is such
an essential part of being human, right, So they do
try to do that, and they when he got to
the hospital, it sounds like he was on either a
bike or a motorcycle and got in some kind of
an accident. So he was the street and got pretty
(25:01):
banged up and they were not able to reattach his
thumb or and his leg was destroyed except for this
one toe that appeared to be viable, the second toe.
So they were like, you know what, we're going to
take that good toe and we're going to put it
where his thumb was, And they did the surgery, and
the follow up says that he has a fully functional
(25:21):
thumb that's really a toe right now. Wow, Yeah, it's
amazing they could do such. And it's cool to see
the difference too, because if that guy didn't have a thumb,
him adapting to like life would be very difficult for
him as a twenty some year old person. But this
other guy, for example, that we were talking about earlier,
he had it his entire life, so he was able
(25:43):
to adapt to it much easier. Because just think about
even when a baby with normal hands, like can't it
just starts to learn how to pick up cheerios and stuff.
It's like all of that. If you learn without the thumb,
then you never really knew how to function without it.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Well exactly because the first story we talked about, the
guy knew didn't know any different. He was even saying
that if at some point they could he could get thumbs,
he might keep them for a day or two to
see what it was like. But he's just so used
to not having them that it wouldn't make much of
a difference.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
At this point.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, that's really cool, Okay. In Kentucky, a woman was
shocked when, just a few days before Halloween, a box
of real human body parts was delivered to her home.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
So this woman was opening this box that she ordered
of medical supplies that she called urgent medical supplies. I mean,
I'm thinking, I don't know, maybe it's diabetes syringes, or
it's uh like chalk pads or something. I don't even
know what it could possibly be. But she opens the
(26:47):
box and she finds human arms and fingers in the box,
like on ice, real human arms and fingers in a
box on ice.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
See how would you respond to this, because immediately I'm like,
I probably pass outs.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Like I wouldn't pass out. I would still be I mean,
I would still be shocked. I would just never even
think that something like that would get to lipid to
somebody's house, So I would be completely shocked. I'd be like,
this is awesome.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
But so the coroner did end up saying that these
parts were for surgical training. But is it common that
they just mail body parts like this?
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Well, we were talking about this in the high profile
death to section we did on the embalmed head. There
was an embalmed head that was found in a wooded
area in Pennsylvania. They have no idea who it is
and where it came from, but we got to talking
a little bit about this underground kind of market of
body parts, especially being used in conventions for surgical training
(27:46):
and uh doing different kinds of experiments on medical equipment
and things like that. So it's possible, and they did
say it was they were meant for surgeons to practice on,
so it was it was probably something to do with this,
and it was courier to the wrong house apparently. I mean,
(28:07):
it's just a very unusual situation and they do, they
do get sent. I mean, all of the cadavers that
we get for anatomy lab aren't don't die and get
embombed within the university all the time, So they are
getting sent from somewhere. You just have to hope that.
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I mean, it's just like a mail mix up kind of,
you know, just a male mix up.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
And I keep hearing Gabe's voice in the back of
my head because you know, he's always yelling at us
for opening his mail, and I think people are going
to go after this lady and say, I don't know
if it was a dresser's line.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
You know, opening someone's mail to a federal offense.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, he's so annoying about it, so.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
He's not serious though he's like messing with us. It's
not like he's like legitmad about it.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
No, I know, But I'm just like I could see
people going after this woman, being like the box probably
wasn't addressed to her, so why did she open it?
But I'm sorry, but if any package dropped off at
my house, I assume it's for me, especially people like
us that are chronically ordering stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Well now I just order I open his stuff like intentionally,
and if he's at work or something. I'll just take
a picture with it and send it to him and
be like, look what you got today, Just to be
a jerk, but yeah, I just want to know how
that went down, Like she opens this box and sees this,
and obviously to a person that's not in this field
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or anything, that would be really disturbing, especially because she
doesn't know that people or she doesn't know what's going on.
I mean, I guess she called nine one one. Is
that what happened? And obviously the coroner ended up showing
up because I guess the police called them and said like, hey,
(29:59):
we have these human remains here. You need to figure
out what's going on here, and they were able to.
I guess they were able to find the courier delivery
service and get it straightened out, so at least there
was a packing slip.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
If I got a box to my house, so two
human arms and four fingers, I would assume the absolute
most dramatic, worst thing ever. I'd be like, a serial
killer is watching me and they sent me this package
to torture me. I would just go to the darkest
place of my mind, not like oh sorry, mail mix up.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
And I don't since they were on ice. I don't
know how if they were fresh, because I mean, technically,
if a surgeon's practicing, it would be better for it
to be fresh and not embombed, because that would just
make it not like a realistic situation because when you're
doing a surgery, a person's not in bombed, so the
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tissues are going to be different. So I'm assuming that
they were fresh on ice, which is actually really disturbing,
you know, so gross? Yeah, and whose arms were they?
Like if you donated your family member for science or whatever,
don't you want to be like, oh, like, was it
my mom's arm and fingers that got shipped to this
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person by accident? Like how's that going down?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I have no idea. It's so disturbing. Okay, before we
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But good luck, guys. We really get away and we're
looking forward to it, all right, So let's get into
the emails and questions. Now, this is from Lauren. I
(33:38):
was listening to your show talking about the woman that
faked a pregnancy with a reborn doll and had to
find out if you have seen or heard of this
YouTube channel. My daughter who is six. Stumbled upon this
YouTube channel the other night called The Dolls Aren't Real.
If you haven't seen it, it's a grown woman who
is the quote mom to Reborn dolls that are toddler sized.
She acts out their day and talk for them and everything.
(34:02):
I was trying to watch to see if maybe the
woman may have some cognitive or developmental issues. It's just
so creepy and had to make my daughter turn it off. Also,
I understand where you like, something is.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
No listen, I don't care if she doesn't have it
on paper she does. This is not you know. The
only thing I was thinking though, is like it's a
it's a gimmick and she's trying to make money on
social media or on YouTube. And if it's if that's
all it's about, and she turns it off, and it's
(34:39):
just like this ship is so stupid and like carries
on with her day, then that's totally fine with me.
But if it's real, she she's she's like definitely messed up.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
You also have this grand conspiracy that allegedly Reborn the
company is paying these people to do outrageous things.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Oh they get attention. That's not even a conspiracy that's
that's like a hundred percent happening. I guarantee it, Like
you're you, you really like the advertisement that they get
is purely just because of the most outrageous shit. Have
you ever heard a story about it that's like actually
(35:16):
just calm and just normal. No, it's all weird. It's
just weird shit, like people breastfeeding them. What was the
last one that we did? This is our typical I know,
I can't even remember. We just talked about it within
the past couple of weeks about the reborn dolls. And oh,
the woman pretended to be pregnant.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, sorry Kira Cousins, that lady that faked
the pregnancy yet bought they're reborn.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Though, yeah, Like it's just like there's never and and
it was a weird story too. It was just like
the fake strap on belly and this and that, and
she presented the baby to people for a while like
it was real, like just people were holding the baby.
It is so weird.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Anyway, Lauren wraps up with the question what exactly are
you looking for when they send you a shampoo bottle
or other foreign bodies? What do you document or analyze
appropriate with the sausage story from earlier.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
So let's use this sausage as an example. We in
pathology we get everything that's removed from people, so we
just usually get a you know, we get there's a
piece of paper that comes along with every specimen that
has the person's name, datea birth, medical record number, and
all that stuff, and there's areas where the doctor should
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fill out exactly what is happening or what the specimen
is or anything like that. And oftentimes when we get those,
it's like a giant white specimen container with a medical
record number in the patient's name, date of birth on it,
and then the sheet we'll just say r FB, which
stands for a rect a foreign body. It doesn't say
(36:57):
anything else. We don't hear any of the story. So
all we have to do in our mind is we
would say, oh, this is a sixty seven year old male,
and then I'd take the lid off of the container
and there would be a giant hoop and blood covered
sausage in the container. Like that's the perspective of the
pathologist's assistant in the lab. So I would take it
(37:19):
out and we have to describe it as if we're
looking at a photograph of it, so the pathologists can
envision what was seen. And also this goes as part
as their medical record, so so it correlates with what
the er doctor saw, how they removed it, what they removed,
(37:40):
everything should correlate between all departments. So we would describe
it as first we would measure it. We would say
that it was like a cylindrical soft tube of what
you don't you're not supposed to say what it is
unless it really is, but you could say which labeled meat,
(38:01):
like if it had on the label says Jimmy Deane
sausage expiration date, we would put everything that was written
on the label on the outside, cut it open, see
what was inside consistent with grossly, consistent with ground beef, sausage,
ground sausage, whatever like. Yes, we describe it. There are
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two metal clips on the end that are intact. The
cylindrical object is covered with an abundant amount of blood
and bloody fecal material something like that, and we would
say this is for gross examination only, which means we're
not taking any microscopic sections of it to see, you know,
(38:42):
what it looks like under the microscope, because it's just
not necessary in that case. But let's say, for example,
the emergency room doctor said, or on the CT scan
it showed that there were two metal clips on this sausage,
and then when they took it out and they sent
it to pathology, we got the sausage and there was
only one metal clip, and there was no documentation that
(39:03):
the metal clip was taken out by the emergency room doctor.
That means that there's a possibility that one of the
metal clips is still up inside of the patient's rectum.
So that's like, that's why these things become important, even
though it's it's kind of silly, but yeah, we I mean,
we get them all the time, and I'll never forget
about the time I went to one of my mentors,
who was a much older guy than me at the time,
(39:27):
in his seventies, and I got this giant dildo that
was covered in shit, right, and I'm like, you know,
we're not supposed to describe what it is, but this thing,
I mean, it was like a penis dil though it
looked like a penis, right, and it had a suction
cup on the end. And I just, you know, always
want to mess with the doctors and stuff. And I
(39:47):
called them in and I was like, how would I
describe this in my gross description? What do I call this?
And he's like, well, it's a dildo, and I was like,
so can I I put that in like their official
medical record that I got this dildo right like, so
you could. You could. And that's the cool thing about
being a PA. You could get very there's a lot
(40:11):
of liberties and you could do your own kind of style. So,
you know, we always made fun of the residence because
they they a lot of the residents were just like
barely uh would describe things. So one of them would
just say like, oh, I got teeth and that was it,
and then other ones would be so descriptive, like I
have this bicuspit that has a slight fracture on the side,
(40:33):
and like, you know, all all the there's like a
range of descriptions. So some people might just say I
got this dildo covered in fecal material that's you know,
like twenty five centimeters long or whatever it is. And
other people will say it's a cylindrical, you know, rubbery
(40:55):
structure that resembles male genitally like it you know, it
just could go anyway. So it's pretty fun.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
All right, This next one's from Angela, Hi, Nicole, and Maria.
I just wanted to let you know that after listening
to your episode about your cancer removal off your face,
after your explanation of what your spot looked like, I
had a concerning spot on my face, so I made
a dermatologist appointment. Turns out it was a pre cancerous
spot on my face. I got it early and it
was frozen off. Thank you for sharing your experience, because
(41:25):
you just saved me from having a much worse prognosis.
Everyone should definitely get a yearly full body assessment with
a dermatologist.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
That's great to hear. I'm glad you did. I wish
I wish I did that and I was able to
get mine frozen or scraped off instead of like my
surgery was pretty deep for my fate right in front
of my face, you know. And it's something that I
have now, like this scar on my face all the
(41:53):
time and it all can't see it. I know that
you don't think that you could see it, but it
it's like it flawed my face. It's my skin is
feels very tingly and numb and weird there, and it's
definitely way more obvious without makeup on which I didn't
have to deal with before. So I mean, it hasn't
even been a year yet, and I really I had
(42:15):
a laser treatment to it once, but I haven't had
any like serious scar treatment to it, so there's a
possibility of it getting better. But I agree that if
you have anything that looks abnormal, you should try to
get it checked out immediately because the the you know,
once it's full blown cancer, then they have to be
a little bit more aggressive with the treatment, and especially
(42:36):
on your face, you know that that could leave a scar.
So but thanks for sharing that with us.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Yeah, we're really happy that you were able to get
that sorted out.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yeah, I think that a lot of people don't like
I didn't. I I know a little bit more than
the average person as far as what cancer looks like
and skin cancer, just because I've dealt with it so
much many times in the lab, but just in general,
that lesion that grew on my face was not normal
for my face, and that's what really made me go
(43:10):
get it checked out. Like you look at your face
in the mirror every day and you kind of know
that your pattern of zits and and bumps, you have.
You know, I know where I have beauty marks and
stuff like that, and I know bumps, like Maria has
a bump next to her nose that's been there her
whole life. That's but it's flesh tone, it's not it's
(43:30):
it's it's like an a melanonic mole, Like it doesn't
have any pigment in it. And that's normal for her though.
So like when you see something on your face that's
not normal, you should go get it checked out right
away because it could it could be something like that,
and it presents in all different kinds of ways.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Well, I think a lot of people too, when they
see new things pop up, are very in denial about it.
So at least you know some people are taking your
experience seriously and being proactive about it because a lot
of people wait and then it becomes a much larger issue.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yeah, I mean, I think that when I saw mine,
I thought it was as it At first. I tried
to pop it. It didn't pop as normal, and I
didn't think anything of it, and I just kept an
eye on it for a week and it didn't change.
And then I was like, let me try this again,
and it didn't. It didn't do anything. And then finally
I was just like, oh my god, this is something bad,
like it just knew it. Yeah, just because it's just
(44:29):
not anything like that I'm used to. So that and
that's not just your face, it's like any part of
your body. If you see something that's not always there,
just go get it checked. I mean you could be
maybe taking a half of a day off of work
and going out of your way for absolutely nothing. But
then if it's something, it's kind of like worth it,
(44:50):
you know.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
All Right, last questions for me, and it might be
the most important one I've ever been asked, are you
team Dean, Jess or Logan? Which is a quick essential
question for any Gilmore Girls fan.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
I'm like, I have no idea. I know you tried
to get me into that show, but I just never
I never really watched it, Like, I don't know about it.
It's so good. I'm not against it.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
I'm definitely not teen Dean because he's very abusive upon
rewatch everything I watch. He's the worst boyfriend ever. I
hate Logan because he's a rich, boiled Brett and him
and Rory end up having that affair in the reboot,
and I don't like that, and I do love Jess
because Bilo Ventimilia is a very fine specimen of an actor,
and he's nice to look at, and he was the
(45:36):
coolest of her boyfriends. He lived in Philly, he wrote zines,
he was kind of punk rock, and he could deal
with Rory's bullshit, and he was intellectually on the same
level as her, even though he had problematic things too.
But forever and always team Jess. So guys, don't forget
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Speaker 1 (46:04):
Thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death. As a reminder,
my training is as a pathologist's assistant. I have a
master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.
I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed
or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of
a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social
(46:29):
media accounts are designed to educate and inform people based
on my experience working in pathology, so they can make
healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember
that science is changing every day, and the opinions expressed
in this episode are based on my knowledge of those
subjects at the time of publication. If you are having
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Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have a lot
of great stories for you guys this week. Don't forget
that we don't cover all of the stories, and we
do an additional episode on YouTube live in the Gross
Room every week. We have an update today for you
on the escaped research monkeys, remember the ones that authority
said had herpes. A man who brings new meaning to
(00:43):
the word meat packer, a thirty year old guy who
faced multiple child rape charges and left behind some permanent evidence,
essentially confessing to the crime. And then we're going to
talk about the importance or unimportance of thumbs. And a
woman who medical supplies and discovered something very morbid when
(01:03):
she opened the box. Well, end the episode with your emails,
questions and comments. All that and more. Today, let's get
started with this monkey story. Okay, so last week, you
guys will remember we reported on a car accident involving
lab monkeys which resulted in several of them getting loose. So,
if you recall, the monkeys were thought to be infected
with herpes hepatitis tea in COVID, so when police later
(01:26):
encountered five of them, they were the word they use
was destroyed, so they killed them basically for no reason,
because they were later found out to not be infectious
at all. Anyway, part of the story is that three
of the monkeys were still on the loose, so one
of them ended up getting captured by authorities later, and
then over the weekend, one of them was seen in
the backyard of a home by a sixteen year old boy,
(01:48):
who then alerted his mother, who then in turn shot
the monkey because she was trying to protect her family.
I mean, I kind of don't blame her, Honestly, I
don't blame her.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I just feel so hard for these monkeys.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I do too. And let me say this, if she's
a person that doesn't watch the news and keep an
eye on it as much as we do, or just
heard anything going on, just people talking in the street,
the only thing that she might have heard of this
story was that there were these agitated, highly aggressive monkeys
(02:22):
that are infected with herpes covid and hepatitis, which is
transmissible to humans. That might be the last she heard
of it. She might not hear that that was not
correct information and that they were just research monkeys, and
they weren't infectious, and they weren't agitated, annoyed and aggressive, right,
So of course she's going to do that to protect
(02:45):
her family because maybe her children are going and playing
in the yard. Even if she has older kids that
are just walking out to the car, they you would
be scared that this thing would attack them, right, I mean,
I really don't blame her.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
No, totally, because even if they said they weren't aggressive.
I mean, the monkey is in an unusual situation and
if she were to go outside, it could feel threatened
and then attack a human. So I understand why she
did it. I just think this whole situation was such
a miss.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah it is. I mean, I just think that people
would have handled it differently if the correct information was
given out from the beginning, because that story really went viral.
I was hearing people that don't even talk about medical
things talk about it because it's it's just kind of
funny to think of a monkey as having her pies,
(03:36):
you know, even though they definitely get it, it's just
it's kind of silly in a way. But yeah, this
is how it ends. And is she in trouble? Like
what's any charges against her for shooting this animal, or
is she in an area that she's legally allowed to
do that.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Well, I didn't see if she was getting charged or anything.
I think if this were happening to me, I don't
think I would immediate I'm going to shoot it. I'd
probably call like animal control person and lock myself in
my home. But I don't know what goes on in
Mississippi and how they treat things. So if she thought
this was the best course of action, I guess that's
the way she took.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So like I don't, I don't know it.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I don't think that would be my first thought to
go grab my gun and go shoot a monkey in
my backyard. I definitely think i'd call some tip of
authorities before handling it myself. But I have no idea
what people do down there.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
All right, I think we need to talk about this.
This meatpacker.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
So a sixty seven year old man went to the
hospital complaining of pain and a feeling of fullness and
his rectum in inus areas, but didn't remember anything because
he drank a bunch of alcohol the night before. So
I think everybody that listens to this show knows where
the story is going, But what did they find?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
So they asked him, like, is there any way that
there's anything up there? And first he denied it, and
then he finally was like, Okay, there may be something
up there, but I don't know what it is, and
I don't know how it got up there, and I
was at home drinking by myself. So they did a see.
So they did a rectal exam first, and they found
(05:11):
they felt something that was very hard in the anal opening,
and then they pushed their finger up further and found
that it was kind of squishy. So they did a
CT scan to see what was going on, and they
saw this large object filling up the rectum, not only
the anal rectal region, but going all the way up
into the stigmoid colon, and it had what appeared to
(05:37):
be metal clips on both ends of it. Now, when
I say normally, if you would look at like, let's
say a CT scan of a person that poops regularly,
you wouldn't see it all the way up into the
stigmoid colon and the left colon. If people are going
to the bathroom regularly, So there's a lot it's very
(05:59):
far up there. That's what I'm trying to get at
here so far that when this was measured it was
almost a foot long. Wow, so that I mean, think
about sticking a roller up your butt? How far up
your colon? It's going to go right. So, when they
ended up removing it, do you know what it was? Well?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I was confused at first because when you're reading this report,
it said that they determined it wasn't the sex sway
or anything like that, and then due to the fatty content,
they determined it was food.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So then the.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Guy's basically like, I did have a bat in saw
Is that how you say? A baton sausage lying around
my house? And I don't know what happened to it.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yes, it was a frickin' sausage that was clipped off
at both ends with metal. It's a giant, huge, foot
long piece of sausage that he just totally didn't know
was up his butt. I mean, how much.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Are you drinking that you don't remember you stuck something
that large into your butt?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
He members, I'm sure he remembers. It's just that, like
I always say this, I'm not a dude, so I
never even would pretend to say that I know what
that would feel like embarrassment wise, but I'm pretty sure
walking into an emergency room, you know, you sit down
(07:20):
and they say, what are you here for? Oh my
leg hurts, it's bleeding whatever, No, this is you have
to say this to the person the clerk, and then
you have to say it to the triage nurse, and
then you have to say it to a bunch of
other nurses and a bunch of doctors and get imaging,
and just like the whole thing must be super embarrassing.
(07:42):
So I guess he thought. I don't even know what
he thought, because ultimately they were going to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Right, Well, you've discussed this before too, right, Like you
can't go from zero to one hundred, So you can't
just go from never putting anything up there to something
that large, right, So clearly he was working his to it.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I mean like, technically you could, but it would be
super painful, it would cause tears, it would just not
It's not It's not a beginner sex toy, Okay, like
a twelve inch thick sausage is not his first rodeo.
Do you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I thought at first when you were saying, there's like
the metal clips on the end. It was gonna be
like Pillsbury cookie dough.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
So that's literally what that's literally what it is. It
reminds me of when you get the Pillsbury cookie dough,
like the the role that you cut off and just
put the cookies onto the sheet. That's exactly what it is.
It's got those metal clips on the end, and it's
this big thick plastic thing. Was it in the case,
(08:47):
I don't. I hope it was in some well, obviously
it had to be in some kind of casing for
them to get it out. I don't know if it
was in a plastic container, like wrapped in plastic, or
if it was just the sausage in casing.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
No, because you know, the cookie dough is like wrapped
in plastic and there's the little metal clips like tying
it off at the end. So it was probably similar packaging.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Possibly, but they could just do that with casing too.
I suppose it's you know, like I'm thinking, it's it's
like like a Jimmy Dean sausage, you know those ones
that come like that, Or no, it's not the little
like the little ones. Yeah, it's like it's it's like
a farmer one. It's not like a soft Italian sausage.
(09:28):
It's like something like a salami or pepperoni thing that's
like a little bit thicker and harder meat. I would suppose.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I was trying to look up how you pronounce this sausage,
and it was just it could be a thousand different things.
There was like a French pronunciation. I guess this sausage
is popular in Louisiana, so they down there, they some
people speak friends. So it was like baton or baton
or I was like, is it like baton rouge?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
To pronounce it, but whatever it was, it was this
gigantic sausage. Do you not recommend? And if you're drinking
to the point that you're sticking something like that up
your butt, you.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Need to go to it. I have no problem with
people doing this. I just think in twenty twenty five
it's it's just unacceptable to be doing something like that.
You could probably go on Amazon. I don't want to
check right now because then when my kids are in
my Amazon account, I don't want them to see that.
I already looked up sex toys. Remember that was not
(10:27):
sex toys. Sex dolls, like three thousand dollars sex dolls,
which I had to get out of my my views
or whatever. But you can probably if you decided that
you wanted to do that, you could probably get one
sent to you between five and ten pm tonight if
you really wanted to, Oh for sure. So just don't
(10:49):
use things like that. I mean, they have sex toys
that are exactly that girth and size that you could
use that that this won't happen.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, But I think it boils back down to like
people being inbarrassed, Like you would be embarrassed that that's
in your purchase history on Amazon, right, but you're not
embarrassed that you stuck a foot long sausage.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Up your butthole. So, like, I don't really.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Understand what goes on in people's minds. And now that
it's Christmas time, like I was just at Target and
all those like little ceramic Christmas trees are coming out,
you know, and I see all these people on Instagram
and TikTok being like this is the season for er visits.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Unfortunately, every season is for er visits because people use
whatever is laying around and they just don't think about
the fact that it's going to get sucked up there
and stuck and you will not be able to get
it out. It Really, it's such a shitty a literal,
it's shit, a shitty situation for someone to be in,
(11:49):
because it's not like, I mean, in your personal time
when you're doing that, it's not like you're doing anything wrong.
You could do that if you want to do it,
and it's just like you're forced to go to the
hospital and get it taken care of. You can't get
it out. It's just terrible. I wish I could have
just a public service announcement over the TV when it
(12:10):
starts making that weird noise and just tell men to
just stop.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
All right. This next story is from twenty thirteen, but
for some reason it's circulating again. So in Oregon, this
thirty year old man was in a relationship with a
teenager and for her fifteenth birthday, he not only tattooed
a butterfly with a skull on her neck, but he
also tattooed his name with a clover near her vagina.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, I didn't. I don't remember hearing about this story
when it happened, so I know that it is older,
but I feel like we should still talk about it
because it happened. I guess. The coolest part of this
story is that, so I guess, to his defense, she
told him she was older. I don't know, admitted that
(12:54):
to the police. She admitted that to the police, So
she's she, I guess, was fourteen when the relationship started
and said that she was older. I don't know how
that went down, and I don't understand how the police
got involved, but probably because her parents. I mean, just
think about your kid that age, just getting tattoos in general,
(13:15):
and then being like, where did you get this from?
And digging yourself and figuring this out. So the police
got involved. And then at one point there was a
female detective that was pretending to be her and having
conversations with him, and he basically admitted it. During the
conversations she so this female detective had said, Hey, do
(13:40):
you still have those pictures you took of me? And
he said no, but I want you to take new ones.
I want full body picks, face picks. I want to
see your nipples and my vagina. Baby, after all, my
name is on it. Oh my god, Like, what a
scumbag number one and what an idiot, just well, you're
(14:01):
gonna tattoo. I mean, I guess you could say. I'm
not a fan of anyone getting a tattoo of someone's
name next to their vagina. It's probably just like if
a man asked you to do that. They're trying to
control you, obviously and mark you as their property, which
I am not for anyway. But I guess if he
(14:24):
really did believe that she was eighteen, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Well, let me tell you, since this case is so old,
I looked up where this guy is today, and you
just won't even believe me.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Well, I'm sure he's not in jail, because who goes
to jail anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
At the time of this event, he was facing charges
of third degree rape and sodomy's, second degree online corruption
of a minor, and account of using child in display
of sexual explicit condext So there was kind of no
more information about what happened with those charges. But what
I did see when I looked up his name was
several domestic sick violence court cases that involved his name,
(15:03):
and then as recently as twenty eighteen, he was on
a most wanted list for two charges of sexual abuse,
three charges of rape and failing to register as a
sex offender and driving under the influence.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
That's cool, Yeah, cool that that guy's just walking around
speaking of This is a story that we we weren't
going to really talk about today because we've talked about
it so much. But did you see Jake Harrow. He's
the guy who I don't know if you guys remember
a couple of months ago that this woman had said
her baby got kidnapped out of the parking lot of
(15:35):
a sporting good store and then it was shady right
off the bat, and within the past couple of weeks
he admitted that he killed the baby. So his sentencing
was yesterday, which was very fast. Actually yeah, it was fast,
which is good. But he got twenty five to life,
(15:56):
and I just like, my mind is blown because if
you guys recall, he beat his other daughter, who was
what ten weeks old at the time. She was very
so bad and shook her so bad that she's permanently disabled,
like permanently in a wheelchair, permanently disabled. And then he
killed his next child. Why aren't people like that getting
(16:19):
life in prison without the possibility of parole.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Well, I agree with you, because it's like this the
killing of baby Emmanuel was not his first defense, and
the charges, like the senten saying, in my mind, wouldn't
have been enough for that. But he has a proven
history of violence.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
And it's I mean, child's twenty five to life. Like
if he even has a chance of getting out in
twenty five, he's young, he's still gonna be young when
he gets out.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
But how is somebody that acts like that going to
recover in prison? Like you just you permanently disabled one
child and then you killed another years later, if you're
barely getting in trouble the first time around. Yeah, I
don't think he's gonna go to jail and have like
a come to Jesus and be like, oh I'm gonna
change my whole life around and not abuse children anymore.
(17:03):
You're like it's embedded in your brain.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, I just don't. I don't understand how like one
person can kill one person and go to jail with,
you know, for life, without the possibility of parole, and
then this guy, it's like, I feel like he's still
getting another chance.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
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and found that she had killed three of her children
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We also are having a discussion going about a child
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(18:34):
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Speaker 1 (19:00):
Were gonna have a couple stories that involve the importance
or lack thereof of importance of thumbs.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
All right, So first, this guy's going viral online after
showing that he was born without thumbs and how normal
his life could be, even though everybody seems to not
think he could do basic things like open a bottle
of water. Poor glasses of water just function in everyday life.
But he's showing that he's totally fine.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Well it it is cool because do you remember it?
Just this just made me reminded me of Meet the
Parents when they were talking about Jinxy Cat flushing the toilet,
and then Greg Fowker he said to de Niro's character, like, oh,
maybe it was Jenks that flushed the toilet, and he
(19:50):
just was like, he doesn't have thumbs. He can't flush
the toilet. So that you know, it's something that you
don't really think about, but it is. It is one
the things that they say from an evolutionary standpoint, makes
us a little bit more advanced, especially with dexterity of
our hands and things, because we have a posable thumb.
(20:11):
So you could be born with something called thumb hypopleasia,
which is either your thumb doesn't develop enough or it
just doesn't develop at all. And this guy just doesn't
have any what's really interesting to me is he doesn't
appear to be that old. He's a younger guy, right,
he's like twenty six. He's twenty six. So it's interesting
(20:35):
to me because of all of the papers that I've
read about this, it seems like they really try to
give the person of thumb in that area. They either
try to make one and create one out of the
stump that is there, if there are certain bones in
the hand that could make it movable, and if not.
(20:57):
In that case, so look at your hand and you
have your four fingers without your thumb, they'll actually amputate
when the baby's only one year old. They'll amputate the
index finger and then they'll transplant it to where the
thumb should be, so then there's three fingers on the
main part of the hand, and then the index finger
works as a thumb.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Is it typical that he would be born without both
of them, because I could see like an anomaly happening
where a baby is born without one, but.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
It commonly occurs on both hands.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Okay, that's what I was wondering.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, So I just think it's interesting that just someone
of his age, that they didn't try to do some
kind of surgery to help fix that. And maybe his
parents were like I mean, because if you think about
you have a child that's perfectly healthy, and think about
putting a one year old baby under surgery to get
(21:55):
their finger amputated and transplanted to a different part of
their hand, it's a very anxious thing to think about.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Well, he had an unusual circumstance too. He was put
up for adoption in China, and then he was adopted
by a couple in the Netherlands, so moved over there.
I'm not sure what age he was when all that
went down, but that could be the reason why nothing
was done.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yet that probably is the reason. So this condition can
happen on its own, but it's also seen in a
lot of different kinds of syndromes. So I don't know
if he has any of those syndromes that you would
see a defect like this, but still interesting, and I
love the comments underneath, like that he could stick his
(22:36):
hand in a pringle can without having any kind of
a problem and he can't give a thumbs up. Things
like that. I thought it was kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
He said he could. He also make jokes about it too,
because he said that he could also easily break out
of handcuffs. I don't know if he was referring to
sexually with his girlfriend or whatever, but he also joked
that he gets twenty percent off of manicures. So least
he's you know, having fun with it and he's showing that,
you know, he's living a totally normal life. But he
(23:06):
does say he has some anxiety sometimes when he meets
new people because he doesn't know how they're gonna react, because,
as we know, when people see something that's not considered normal,
they just can't act normal at all.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
It's like insane, Well it would. It would catch you
off guard if you go to shake someone's hand and
they don't have a thumb. Yeah, it's week because they
can't like grab your hand and you're just kind of
grabbing their hand.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
It's just maybe is handshaking normal like everywhere? Or is
it an American thing. I don't know because he lives
in the Netherlands, so maybe that's not common practice over there.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I don't. I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I'm just saying, but I understand his anxiety because it's
like people just can't be normal and like not just
like gaw get it or somebody like you would be
fascinated from a scientific perspect.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
My god, if I saw him and met him, I
would be like, we need to put you in my book,
we need to take pictures like it's it's so it's
so rare. So it's it's just like cool. I think
it's cool.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
It is cool, and I like that he's showing off
how he's like, I'm living a totally regular life, don't
worry about me, Like you know, that is cool. But
on the opposite end of what you're saying with the amputation.
So there's another case in India where this twenty year
old got in this terrible accident involving a bike and
a tractor, which required his left leg and thumb to
be amputated. So they're saying, in this rare move, the
(24:34):
doctors used a toe from the amputated leg and used
it to reconstruct the thumb on his left hand.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, it's I mean, just because the thumb is such
an essential part of being human, right, So they do
try to do that, and they when he got to
the hospital, it sounds like he was on either a
bike or a motorcycle and got in some kind of
an accident. So he was the street and got pretty
(25:01):
banged up and they were not able to reattach his
thumb or and his leg was destroyed except for this
one toe that appeared to be viable, the second toe.
So they were like, you know what, we're going to
take that good toe and we're going to put it
where his thumb was, And they did the surgery, and
the follow up says that he has a fully functional
(25:21):
thumb that's really a toe right now. Wow, Yeah, it's
amazing they could do such. And it's cool to see
the difference too, because if that guy didn't have a thumb,
him adapting to like life would be very difficult for
him as a twenty some year old person. But this
other guy, for example, that we were talking about earlier,
he had it his entire life, so he was able
(25:43):
to adapt to it much easier. Because just think about
even when a baby with normal hands, like can't it
just starts to learn how to pick up cheerios and stuff.
It's like all of that. If you learn without the thumb,
then you never really knew how to function without it.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Well exactly because the first story we talked about, the
guy knew didn't know any different. He was even saying
that if at some point they could he could get thumbs,
he might keep them for a day or two to
see what it was like. But he's just so used
to not having them that it wouldn't make much of
a difference.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
At this point.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, that's really cool, Okay. In Kentucky, a woman was
shocked when, just a few days before Halloween, a box
of real human body parts was delivered to her home.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
So this woman was opening this box that she ordered
of medical supplies that she called urgent medical supplies. I mean,
I'm thinking, I don't know, maybe it's diabetes syringes, or
it's uh like chalk pads or something. I don't even
know what it could possibly be. But she opens the
(26:47):
box and she finds human arms and fingers in the box,
like on ice, real human arms and fingers in a
box on ice.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
See how would you respond to this, because immediately I'm like,
I probably pass outs.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Like I wouldn't pass out. I would still be I mean,
I would still be shocked. I would just never even
think that something like that would get to lipid to
somebody's house, So I would be completely shocked. I'd be like,
this is awesome.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
But so the coroner did end up saying that these
parts were for surgical training. But is it common that
they just mail body parts like this?
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Well, we were talking about this in the high profile
death to section we did on the embalmed head. There
was an embalmed head that was found in a wooded
area in Pennsylvania. They have no idea who it is
and where it came from, but we got to talking
a little bit about this underground kind of market of
body parts, especially being used in conventions for surgical training
(27:46):
and uh doing different kinds of experiments on medical equipment
and things like that. So it's possible, and they did
say it was they were meant for surgeons to practice on,
so it was it was probably something to do with this,
and it was courier to the wrong house apparently. I mean,
(28:07):
it's just a very unusual situation and they do, they
do get sent. I mean, all of the cadavers that
we get for anatomy lab aren't don't die and get
embombed within the university all the time, So they are
getting sent from somewhere. You just have to hope that.
(28:27):
I mean, it's just like a mail mix up kind of,
you know, just a male mix up.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
And I keep hearing Gabe's voice in the back of
my head because you know, he's always yelling at us
for opening his mail, and I think people are going
to go after this lady and say, I don't know
if it was a dresser's line.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
You know, opening someone's mail to a federal offense.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, he's so annoying about it, so.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
He's not serious though he's like messing with us. It's
not like he's like legitmad about it.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
No, I know, But I'm just like I could see
people going after this woman, being like the box probably
wasn't addressed to her, so why did she open it?
But I'm sorry, but if any package dropped off at
my house, I assume it's for me, especially people like
us that are chronically ordering stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Well now I just order I open his stuff like intentionally,
and if he's at work or something. I'll just take
a picture with it and send it to him and
be like, look what you got today, Just to be
a jerk, but yeah, I just want to know how
that went down, Like she opens this box and sees this,
and obviously to a person that's not in this field
(29:39):
or anything, that would be really disturbing, especially because she
doesn't know that people or she doesn't know what's going on.
I mean, I guess she called nine one one. Is
that what happened? And obviously the coroner ended up showing
up because I guess the police called them and said like, hey,
(29:59):
we have these human remains here. You need to figure
out what's going on here, and they were able to.
I guess they were able to find the courier delivery
service and get it straightened out, so at least there
was a packing slip.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
If I got a box to my house, so two
human arms and four fingers, I would assume the absolute
most dramatic, worst thing ever. I'd be like, a serial
killer is watching me and they sent me this package
to torture me. I would just go to the darkest
place of my mind, not like oh sorry, mail mix up.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
And I don't since they were on ice. I don't
know how if they were fresh, because I mean, technically,
if a surgeon's practicing, it would be better for it
to be fresh and not embombed, because that would just
make it not like a realistic situation because when you're
doing a surgery, a person's not in bombed, so the
(30:53):
tissues are going to be different. So I'm assuming that
they were fresh on ice, which is actually really disturbing,
you know, so gross? Yeah, and whose arms were they?
Like if you donated your family member for science or whatever,
don't you want to be like, oh, like, was it
my mom's arm and fingers that got shipped to this
(31:15):
person by accident? Like how's that going down?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I have no idea. It's so disturbing. Okay, before we
get into your guys questions and comments, we want to
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Be prepared, like after the holidays and stuff.
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But good luck, guys. We really get away and we're
looking forward to it, all right, So let's get into
the emails and questions. Now, this is from Lauren. I
(33:38):
was listening to your show talking about the woman that
faked a pregnancy with a reborn doll and had to
find out if you have seen or heard of this
YouTube channel. My daughter who is six. Stumbled upon this
YouTube channel the other night called The Dolls Aren't Real.
If you haven't seen it, it's a grown woman who
is the quote mom to Reborn dolls that are toddler sized.
She acts out their day and talk for them and everything.
(34:02):
I was trying to watch to see if maybe the
woman may have some cognitive or developmental issues. It's just
so creepy and had to make my daughter turn it off. Also,
I understand where you like, something is.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
No listen, I don't care if she doesn't have it
on paper she does. This is not you know. The
only thing I was thinking though, is like it's a
it's a gimmick and she's trying to make money on
social media or on YouTube. And if it's if that's
all it's about, and she turns it off, and it's
(34:39):
just like this ship is so stupid and like carries
on with her day, then that's totally fine with me.
But if it's real, she she's she's like definitely messed up.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
You also have this grand conspiracy that allegedly Reborn the
company is paying these people to do outrageous things.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Oh they get attention. That's not even a conspiracy that's
that's like a hundred percent happening. I guarantee it, Like
you're you, you really like the advertisement that they get
is purely just because of the most outrageous shit. Have
you ever heard a story about it that's like actually
(35:16):
just calm and just normal. No, it's all weird. It's
just weird shit, like people breastfeeding them. What was the
last one that we did? This is our typical I know,
I can't even remember. We just talked about it within
the past couple of weeks about the reborn dolls. And oh,
the woman pretended to be pregnant.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, sorry Kira Cousins, that lady that faked
the pregnancy yet bought they're reborn.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Though, yeah, Like it's just like there's never and and
it was a weird story too. It was just like
the fake strap on belly and this and that, and
she presented the baby to people for a while like
it was real, like just people were holding the baby.
It is so weird.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Anyway, Lauren wraps up with the question what exactly are
you looking for when they send you a shampoo bottle
or other foreign bodies? What do you document or analyze
appropriate with the sausage story from earlier.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
So let's use this sausage as an example. We in
pathology we get everything that's removed from people, so we
just usually get a you know, we get there's a
piece of paper that comes along with every specimen that
has the person's name, datea birth, medical record number, and
all that stuff, and there's areas where the doctor should
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fill out exactly what is happening or what the specimen
is or anything like that. And oftentimes when we get those,
it's like a giant white specimen container with a medical
record number in the patient's name, date of birth on it,
and then the sheet we'll just say r FB, which
stands for a rect a foreign body. It doesn't say
(36:57):
anything else. We don't hear any of the story. So
all we have to do in our mind is we
would say, oh, this is a sixty seven year old male,
and then I'd take the lid off of the container
and there would be a giant hoop and blood covered
sausage in the container. Like that's the perspective of the
pathologist's assistant in the lab. So I would take it
(37:19):
out and we have to describe it as if we're
looking at a photograph of it, so the pathologists can
envision what was seen. And also this goes as part
as their medical record, so so it correlates with what
the er doctor saw, how they removed it, what they removed,
(37:40):
everything should correlate between all departments. So we would describe
it as first we would measure it. We would say
that it was like a cylindrical soft tube of what
you don't you're not supposed to say what it is
unless it really is, but you could say which labeled meat,
(38:01):
like if it had on the label says Jimmy Deane
sausage expiration date, we would put everything that was written
on the label on the outside, cut it open, see
what was inside consistent with grossly, consistent with ground beef, sausage,
ground sausage, whatever like. Yes, we describe it. There are
(38:21):
two metal clips on the end that are intact. The
cylindrical object is covered with an abundant amount of blood
and bloody fecal material something like that, and we would
say this is for gross examination only, which means we're
not taking any microscopic sections of it to see, you know,
(38:42):
what it looks like under the microscope, because it's just
not necessary in that case. But let's say, for example,
the emergency room doctor said, or on the CT scan
it showed that there were two metal clips on this sausage,
and then when they took it out and they sent
it to pathology, we got the sausage and there was
only one metal clip, and there was no documentation that
(39:03):
the metal clip was taken out by the emergency room doctor.
That means that there's a possibility that one of the
metal clips is still up inside of the patient's rectum.
So that's like, that's why these things become important, even
though it's it's kind of silly, but yeah, we I mean,
we get them all the time, and I'll never forget
about the time I went to one of my mentors,
who was a much older guy than me at the time,
(39:27):
in his seventies, and I got this giant dildo that
was covered in shit, right, and I'm like, you know,
we're not supposed to describe what it is, but this thing,
I mean, it was like a penis dil though it
looked like a penis, right, and it had a suction
cup on the end. And I just, you know, always
want to mess with the doctors and stuff. And I
(39:47):
called them in and I was like, how would I
describe this in my gross description? What do I call this?
And he's like, well, it's a dildo, and I was like,
so can I I put that in like their official
medical record that I got this dildo right like, so
you could. You could. And that's the cool thing about
being a PA. You could get very there's a lot
(40:11):
of liberties and you could do your own kind of style. So,
you know, we always made fun of the residence because
they they a lot of the residents were just like
barely uh would describe things. So one of them would
just say like, oh, I got teeth and that was it,
and then other ones would be so descriptive, like I
have this bicuspit that has a slight fracture on the side,
(40:33):
and like, you know, all all the there's like a
range of descriptions. So some people might just say I
got this dildo covered in fecal material that's you know,
like twenty five centimeters long or whatever it is. And
other people will say it's a cylindrical, you know, rubbery
(40:55):
structure that resembles male genitally like it you know, it
just could go anyway. So it's pretty fun.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
All right, This next one's from Angela, Hi, Nicole, and Maria.
I just wanted to let you know that after listening
to your episode about your cancer removal off your face,
after your explanation of what your spot looked like, I
had a concerning spot on my face, so I made
a dermatologist appointment. Turns out it was a pre cancerous
spot on my face. I got it early and it
was frozen off. Thank you for sharing your experience, because
(41:25):
you just saved me from having a much worse prognosis.
Everyone should definitely get a yearly full body assessment with
a dermatologist.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
That's great to hear. I'm glad you did. I wish
I wish I did that and I was able to
get mine frozen or scraped off instead of like my
surgery was pretty deep for my fate right in front
of my face, you know. And it's something that I
have now, like this scar on my face all the
(41:53):
time and it all can't see it. I know that
you don't think that you could see it, but it
it's like it flawed my face. It's my skin is
feels very tingly and numb and weird there, and it's
definitely way more obvious without makeup on which I didn't
have to deal with before. So I mean, it hasn't
even been a year yet, and I really I had
(42:15):
a laser treatment to it once, but I haven't had
any like serious scar treatment to it, so there's a
possibility of it getting better. But I agree that if
you have anything that looks abnormal, you should try to
get it checked out immediately because the the you know,
once it's full blown cancer, then they have to be
a little bit more aggressive with the treatment, and especially
(42:36):
on your face, you know that that could leave a scar.
So but thanks for sharing that with us.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Yeah, we're really happy that you were able to get
that sorted out.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yeah, I think that a lot of people don't like
I didn't. I I know a little bit more than
the average person as far as what cancer looks like
and skin cancer, just because I've dealt with it so
much many times in the lab, but just in general,
that lesion that grew on my face was not normal
for my face, and that's what really made me go
(43:10):
get it checked out. Like you look at your face
in the mirror every day and you kind of know
that your pattern of zits and and bumps, you have.
You know, I know where I have beauty marks and
stuff like that, and I know bumps, like Maria has
a bump next to her nose that's been there her
whole life. That's but it's flesh tone, it's not it's
(43:30):
it's it's like an a melanonic mole, Like it doesn't
have any pigment in it. And that's normal for her though.
So like when you see something on your face that's
not normal, you should go get it checked out right
away because it could it could be something like that,
and it presents in all different kinds of ways.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Well, I think a lot of people too, when they
see new things pop up, are very in denial about it.
So at least you know some people are taking your
experience seriously and being proactive about it because a lot
of people wait and then it becomes a much larger issue.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yeah, I mean, I think that when I saw mine,
I thought it was as it At first. I tried
to pop it. It didn't pop as normal, and I
didn't think anything of it, and I just kept an
eye on it for a week and it didn't change.
And then I was like, let me try this again,
and it didn't. It didn't do anything. And then finally
I was just like, oh my god, this is something bad,
like it just knew it. Yeah, just because it's just
(44:29):
not anything like that I'm used to. So that and
that's not just your face, it's like any part of
your body. If you see something that's not always there,
just go get it checked. I mean you could be
maybe taking a half of a day off of work
and going out of your way for absolutely nothing. But
then if it's something, it's kind of like worth it,
(44:50):
you know.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
All Right, last questions for me, and it might be
the most important one I've ever been asked, are you
team Dean, Jess or Logan? Which is a quick essential
question for any Gilmore Girls fan.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
I'm like, I have no idea. I know you tried
to get me into that show, but I just never
I never really watched it, Like, I don't know about it.
It's so good. I'm not against it.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
I'm definitely not teen Dean because he's very abusive upon
rewatch everything I watch. He's the worst boyfriend ever. I
hate Logan because he's a rich, boiled Brett and him
and Rory end up having that affair in the reboot,
and I don't like that, and I do love Jess
because Bilo Ventimilia is a very fine specimen of an actor,
and he's nice to look at, and he was the
(45:36):
coolest of her boyfriends. He lived in Philly, he wrote zines,
he was kind of punk rock, and he could deal
with Rory's bullshit, and he was intellectually on the same
level as her, even though he had problematic things too.
But forever and always team Jess. So guys, don't forget
to enter our anniversary giveaway, and if you have comments
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Mothernosdeath dot com see Guessmorrow.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death. As a reminder,
my training is as a pathologist's assistant. I have a
master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.
I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed
or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of
a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social
(46:29):
media accounts are designed to educate and inform people based
on my experience working in pathology, so they can make
healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember
that science is changing every day, and the opinions expressed
in this episode are based on my knowledge of those
subjects at the time of publication. If you are having
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