On today’s MKD, we talk about Coco Austin defending breastfeeding her daughter for years, a dog that accidentally shot its owner, a teen expelled from school for hitting a classmate who made a deepfake porn of her, a woman who found maggots in her croissant, and puking issues at Disney.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to discuss the story that went viral this week
about Coco saying that she breastfed her daughter until she
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was six. A freak accident involving the accidental discharge of
a firearm, only this time it was an unlikely gunman.
A really alarming case that will be happening more frequently,
involving kids and AI porn images. And then we'll finish
the episode with a woman whose croissant sandwich was moving,
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and also people puking at Disney. All that and more.
On today's episode, you said croissant so fancy. It was
an impediment, like it was an act.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I think everybody will find it funny. All right, This
first story I want to handle delicately because I really
love Coco a lot. And after we were on Elvis Durrann,
she started following the Mother Nose.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Death Instagram and she follows me too, and I love her.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I don't know if she listens, but I don't want
to offend.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
And Iced Tea was at Crime Con and I wanted
to meet him so bad, and we just like couldn't
figure it out with our schedule and stuff, and I
was so bummed about that. But I was hoping that
she was going to be there and I would just
see her like walking around and could go say hi.
But then when she started following me, I was like, Okay,
you don't have to be delicate. I don't think that
(01:43):
she's wrong. I know that you might have different opinions
on this, but go ahead. Well, she's defending breastfeeding their
daughter until she was six years old. But I will
say obviously a couple of weeks so we had a
breastfeeding story where they were saying, what was it. The
Pediatric Association was saying it was they you could breastfeed
up to seven years old, and I'm not in the
(02:04):
American one. They're worded differently. The American Pediatric says to
do it to at least two years old, whereas the
World Health Organization is they're the ones that are more
relaxed with the and there is no rule like worldwide
there's no rule, but in general worldwide it stops between
(02:27):
three to seven years old. Not in America, but worldwide
three to seven years old is the range, so it
was only weird here. You just have to say that I.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Was not down with the seven year old age limit
that they had put up. I thought that was a
little extreme. But Coco is defending it, saying it was
a great bonding moment between her and her daughter, and
I do understand that.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So I understand because she has like very volumptuous looking boobs,
so I don't blame her daughter. But no, seriously, I
don't think it's a problem. I think that there is
specifically no rules with this from any medical association or
anything for this specific reason, because kids eventually will be like,
(03:15):
I'm done here, and if they want to do it
and you want to do it, I don't see what
the problem is.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I think what she said though, was great, because she
was basically saying I'm going to let her stop when
she wants to stop. I feel like my problem with
it before is when parents force it upon older children.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
So let me tell you about this story I found
on Reddit. There was a I actually wrote it down
because it was a little weird. There was a social
worker that was asking a question and in some licensed
social worker Pete, I don't know why I can't say
those two words together a page that said that there
was in her office there was a mother that was
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actively breastfeeding a twelve year old like in POW, and
she was asking if she should report them the Child
Protective Services and people some people are like, no, there's
no rule on that, and then other people are like,
there has to be a rule on that, And I
guess that's you're always going to have a situation where
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it runs into the level of inappropriate. I don't think
that Cocoa is at that level now, as some people
are saying, But definitely I think breastfeeding a twelve year
old boy in public is it's just not the norm.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Not right. Yeah, Like I don't think that's right. Like
what Coco's saying, which I can get behind, and she said,
in Europe they're doing it until seven there, it's nothing
to them. We Americans think it's weird. But I don't
think there's anything wrong with it as long as it's
just in your home, like she's keeping it within the
privacy of her home and for the comfort of her
daughter within their Home's not making a twelve year old
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boy breastfeed in a public space.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
The thing is is that you know, my kid's twelve
and she goes, so I'm just thinking about the boys
in her class, some of which are like starting to
get little mustaches and stuff. I mean, I don't know,
there is a point where I don't know, maybe there
should be like a puberty cutoff age or something.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
There does have to be a cutoff at some point.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
There was this video going viral this week on X
and like, I don't even a lot of times I
see videos and I'm like, God, I would like to
talk about this, but like you don't even know if
things are ai anymore. It's just like it's pointless to
talk about it if it's not real. But this video that
was going viral was this mom that was breastfeeding her
seventeen year old and like it showed her breastfeeding like
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this clearly this boy that looked like an adult almost
and I'm just like, is this real or is this fake?
And just like okay, like that you could see that
it would be possible that some relationships would would go
into this unusual territory of like I especially like a
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mom and her boy of like, okay, it's it's a
little bit too much. And how how's a seventeen year
old boy going to go out into the world and
be confident if he's still going home and breastfeeding to bed,
and like seventeen year olds are at the age where
they start dating and.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
A seventeen year old kuld drive a car, Like, yeah,
we need to cut off at some point, Like and
I guess when puberty kicks in then.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
You know that should be discussed. It's just it is
interesting that there's no magic number for anyone. So for
this licensed social worker, and I'm sure like whoever's listening,
like somebody has had this happen to them, that they're
either a physician or pediatrician or something, that there's been
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an inappropriate breastfeeding situation that you've had to be like
wait a second, is this like crossing a line of
abuse in a sense.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, yeah, I think if the kid's getting to puberty
and beyond, then that's when I don't know, because I
guess legally there's not a cutoff, right, because how are
people fed for centuries? I mean, it's a way of
feeding your kid, But Coco's saying it's not a way
of feeding their daughter. I believe her name is Chanel.
It's a way of comforting her more so. I mean,
the kid's nine now, she was six. She stopped feeding
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when she was sick.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
The memes of Chanelle are my favorite that says that
Chanelle looks more like Iced Tea than Iced Tea does.
She is truly the cutest.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Little girl I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
It's just it's just so funny that people say that,
like because it really is his spitting image. It's so funny.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I'll wrap this up by saying, I don't personally agree
with feeding them long, but I'm also not a mother,
so I don't understand it from that perspective. And I guess,
do whatever you want to do in the privacy of
your home when it comes to that, and your timeline
and your kid making the decision. But I would not
like to see a twelve year old boy being breastfed
in public. But I mean, that seems like a very
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unusual case. I mean, she stopped feeding her when she
was six, so she was still pretty little kid at
that time, even though I'm not necessarily behind that. But
you're a mother, so you might have more understanding, yes,
And like.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I was in a different situation when I was breastfeeding
my kids because I was working full time and it
just was at you know, at a hospital with a
pretty important salary position. It just was very difficult for me.
And I kept it going with both of them for
a year, which was which was good. If I was
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at home or had the ability to be at home
with them, I probably would have been able to kept
it going much longer. It was just like I had
Lilian breastfed her pregnant with the other one breastfed her,
and I was kind of like, I'm done here after
a year, just because the pumping at work and everything
it's driving back and forth, it just became it just
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became too much for me to deal with. So I don't,
I don't know. I didn't stop it because I felt
like they were too old. I just did because I
was too overwhelmed with life. So yeah, I don't know,
Like I don't, I don't think there's anything wrong with it,
all right.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
This guy was cleaning his shotgun and laid it down
on his bed for a minute, and during that time
his dog ended up jumping on the bed, causing the
gun to go off and accidentally shot him.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, so that's the unsuspected gunman was the dog. This
is crazy. So this is what I personally think happened.
So I showed Gabe this and he because they do
have a picture of the gun or the shotgun on
the uh on the article, and he seems to think
that this person that owns this gun is is more
(09:59):
of a gun enthusiasts, just because of the certain way
that the gun looks. It looks like it's had some
modifications on it. And he was saying that in some cases,
some of these triggers could require less pounds of pressure
to pull the trigger. This way you could shoot faster.
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So the possibility of that is that the guy could
have been outside shooting right, because he's in Pennsylvania and
some people have huge properties. He could have like ran
in the house, threw it on his bed to pee,
thinking he was home by himself and just didn't even
think about it. And like a dog, like a Golden
Retriever or something size, jumping on the bed and just
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tapping their foot against the trigger could definitely set it
off like that, and that's probably likely the scenario.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
This is what the gun expert was saying at Crime
con in Nashville about the ALEC Baldwin shooting with a revolver.
Sometimes if you don't have good trigger and you're you know,
you're supposed to keep your finger on the side til
you're ready to shoot. So they were suggesting that it
was possible that if Alec Baldwin had his finger on
the trigger and then went to pull back the hammer,
(11:12):
sometimes that could push the pin forward, which then pushes
up against your finger, which could have caused the gun
to fire. Yeah, so I don't think a lot of
people think about how easily it could be, and that's
why not having your finger in that area is important.
I mean, I guess it's also Now this is clearly
a freak accident, but with an animal involved that is
large and going to jump on the bed and has
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a lot of force, maybe if you're cleaning your weapons
you shouldn't have the animal of the room at all.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I mean, the guy like he could have got killed.
He could have and they said that he had surgery
and stuff, but he could have devastating injuries from from
ammunition like that, especially if he was in a close range.
Like I mean, it it's just kind of whatever it was.
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If you have good gun adiquate that it's just it
was just sloppy. In general, if you have to do anything,
you should have a rack to put it up. It
should have a safety on it whatever, like because when
you start assuming like, oh, nobody's here and you know,
everything should be fine, It's like that's how accidents like
(12:20):
that happened. So oh totally.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
And did you see the other dog related story on
this article that they're referencing now, So they said, this
incident comes less than a month after a North Carolina
Assistant Fire chiefs dog chewed on a lithium ion battery,
which then caused the house to catch on fire.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
These dogs need to be arrested.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
When they the crazy part about that story, they had
like a camera in the house and they caught the
whole thing on camera, so you see the dog chewing
it and then suddenly it kind of like explodes and
catches OUs on fire. It's so scary.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I saw a video recently within the past couple of
years too that was caught on video and it was
like the dog somehow got the oven, like turned the
oven burner on by accident, and it set a pot
on fire that was sitting on the stove and like
caught the house on fire. I mean, I'm sure their
stories like this all the time, because especially if a
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dog is bored and left alone for hours, they get
into trouble, they rip your shit up and like, oh
to if you don't create them or whatever. So I'm
sure people have lots of good stories about their dog
almost killing them. All right.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
For this next story, I feel like we need to
start introducing like a new segment called Rage Wednesdays or something,
because the last couple of Wednesdays in a row, we've
had infuriating stories this one coming up. Then last week
we had the teen rapist that was let go scot free,
and then we had the week before that the guy
that tattooed the girls genitals. So in this story, a
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thirteen year old girl was expelled from school after hitting
a boy who made a deep fake pornographic image of
her and then shared.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
It with other people.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I don't understand it if she was expelled and he
was not.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
This is like I said in the intro, this is
just gonna be happening more and more. It's just so
if you see all of these videos that go online
every single day that people are making of famous people,
I mean, it's just really, it's just gonna be kids
have access to the same thing, right and it I mean,
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this girl is my daughter's age, she's in middle school,
and I just keep thinking about how terrible that would be,
an embarrassing that would be for her. Because when you
look at these AI images, sometimes it's very easy to
tell that something's AI. Other times you're like, wow, that
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looks really good. And I know that people could look
at a person with clothes on and visualize what they
look like naked. But to look at a picture, even
if it's not the kids, boy, it's just sexualizing a
child that's like at this age where they're just going
through puberty and stuff, and it's just it's uncomfortable. It's
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it's invasive. And I could see why she was so
mad that she wanted to punch somebody, because I, as
as a parent, I would want to punch somebody too. Dad.
The dad's taking a very interesting and respectful approach to it,
which he's saying like he's he's not blaming the kid
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because kids are dumb and they do dumb shit and
they don't understand the implications of that. And he's not
blaming their family either. And and I do get that
to a certain extent, because kids are handed all of
this stuff right now, and my kids have had situations
with technology of doing dumb shit because they just don't
understand the extent of it. Like we were trying to
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tell Lillian the other day, you know, when you do
get a phone, if you lose your phone, if somebody
could get into it, then they could have you know,
cause it's connected to my cloud and this and that,
Like they could have access to our whole family's business,
your address, credit cards, all this shit. And she's like, well, no, Dad,
that wouldn't happen because I'd have a password on it.
(16:19):
And we're just like, yeah, well, like they just don't
understand how scummy people are. And this kid doesn't understand
that like him creating this image and then sharing this
image is now on the internet forever, and like they
just don't understand.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I'm understanding of the family forgiving the child, right, even
though the child should face some punishment, because they can't
just go around not getting punished for doing something like this.
But they are dumb to your point, but they need
to be punished for it.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
In some regard.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
The biggest problem with this was the school and how
the school handle it, because, according to this family, the
girl had told the school about the picture and they
were seemingly blowing her off. At one point, it got
so bad that she wanted to call her parents in
the middle of the day, and they said, your parents
don't need to be involved, which I'm sorry, but your
parents need to be involved in anything that has to
do with you through your parents. And then it got
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to the point where they were on the bus and
he kept showing it again, and that's when she eventually
punched him. And like, listen, I think rightfully, so she
punched him in the face, right, like, okay, he was
bullying her and she was defending herself, if you want
to boil it down to that, but to expel her
and not him when she was reporting this bullying going
on for a while, what the fuck was the school doing.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I don't know, I don't and I don't know, Like
certain schools have very strict protocols. I know that some
schools are banning phones, which I don't agree with, which well, yeah,
but I mean.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Take this specific example. If this girl to call her
family in the middle of the day, it like seemingly
she did not have a cell phone where they had
the phone and she went to call her family in
the middle of day and then they didn't let her.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, but like, what do you think happened when we
were kids? I know, but when we were on top
of it.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
We live in a technology dependent society now where you
did not.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
But this, like this wouldn't have happened though if the
kids didn't have phones at school to send it around either.
So it's like no, because it could have happened.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
This is the problem too with technology, is like you
in the eighties and nineties used to get bullied at
school and then it would end when you went home,
Like it doesn't end for them anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
With the internet.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
It doesn't matter if he had the phone at school
or not. He could have still made it and send
it around to everybody, and then she's getting text with it.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I think it's different too, like if the kid goes
to public school, because there's such a threshold for kicking
kids out of public school, Like private schools can do
all these different things where kids have to sign a
contract and this and that, and like you'll get kicked
out if you violate the contract, and they will kick
you out. I think with public schools, like I said,
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the threshold is just so much different because they have
to tolerate it because it's public. I don't really know
what the solution is. It's just there has to even
if the kid goes home and does something, there has
to be some kind of rule because that child the
one that it's not like the kids going home and
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creating AI porn of a kid that goes to another school.
You know, it's it's it should be fall under the
category of bullying and online bullying carries twenty four to seven, right,
So yeah, I would be mad about the school and
and like, also how was it being sent because I
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guess her face at least with any kind of if
the kids had TikTok or social media, if they were
using any kind of an app like that, her face
should be picked up as a minor and that should
be flagged.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Well, yeah, but we know how these AI systems.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
We'll talk about that in another story. Is that so
now or tomorrow's episode that we're talking about the I
think that's tomorrow, But so yeah, I mean, aside from that,
just I don't I just don't know. And I think
the problem is that no one knows if if there
was a school and a committee, I would sit down.
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And I haven't had to experience that yet at our
kids school, but they're all just also getting into the
age where they're starting to get phones. And I'm sure
there's been instances that have happened at the school that
have been like brushed under the rug that we haven't
even heard about or anything. And oh totally.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I mean, and I guess they're really pissed too, because
she was expelled and then they're fighting it and then
they were like, okay, she could come back now on
approbationary period, but the expulsion is still going to be
on a record, and in general, who it's expelled for
hitting somebody one time. I'm just saying, because.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
You listen, I think under and I guess in theory
you could say that any kid that hits a kid
had a reason that that's why they do have to
have a hard rule. That's just like because because you
don't just randomly hit someone. You hit someone because you're
pissed at them and you feel it's justified that.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, But I think I think about being in middle
school and the same kids were in fights every other
day and they would just get suspended for a day
or two, like it didn't immediately go to expulsion. So
that's where I'm kind of like the story is you
go to a private school where it's like one act
of violence and you're out, because in public school there's
no way they could manage that at all.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I mean, I think it's I think it's good that
it worked out this way because it ended up going
viral and now it seems like the school is going
to reopen the case and try to figure out what happened.
I I I really just don't know what the solution is.
I mean, you can't they do have to make a
rule like that because you can't, like listen. My first
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thought is like I want to punch somebody if they
do anything like that to hurt my kid, But like
you can't. You can't like solve life by that, So
then there has to be a rule. But I don't
know what. I don't know what I would do, Like
I keep trying to think of what I would do
as a parent in that situation, because the more you
talk about it, like I'm getting pissed off. I can't
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imagine like having to fight for my kid to get
back into school over this. I would be like a
psychotic rage queen of I don't even know, like calling
my senator or something. I don't even know what I
would do, because you feel helpless in that situation. And
I'm glad that at least they took to social media
and it picked up a little bit. Well.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I don't know if you saw this part, but it
said one student was charged with ten counts of unlawful
dissemination of images created by AI in September. So was
that this boy? And like what does that mean exactly?
So did he not get expelled from school? But he
has criminal charges? And I don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Let me so let's say this when let's say, can
you do this create these images on like chat, GP
tears or like a certain one that does these porn ones.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I feel like recently GIBT has updated their policies and
they don't do certain things.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
So but regardless, you put it into some kind of
AI thing and you say, what do you like, I
want to know what the process of these kids are doing.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Like so they probably like they probably take a porn
picture and they probably take a picture of the person
and they're like, put this person's head on this.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Picture, So there's no way that the AI capabilities that
they could see that that's a child.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Well, it should be detecting that. But we know how
these programs work, and they're not perfect because it's technology.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
This is just it's just so bad. It's so bad.
I don't just trying to parent and navigate in this
world that I mean, this is something we weren't even
talking about five years ago. No, I'm exactly like, I
just I can't even imagine because now it's like my
kids still have to go through full finish middle school
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and full high school. Like what's going to happen in
the next five years with this? Like I don't even
I don't even know how to navigate it, and no
one really does.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
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a really interesting post. We also have a really cool
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Speaker 1 (25:38):
Okay, this story is ugh.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I was just talking about these heavenly croissants I want
to buy in Montreal, and now I'm gonna be a
little deterred after this story. So a woman went on
TikTok and shared that after buying a ham and cheese
croissant at a local cafe, she ended up finding maggots
crawling around in the pastry.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
She shows this sandwich and there are a lot of
maggots underneath of the role just crawling around. It is
so disturbing.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
You want to know the worst part is, she said
she waited until she got to work to eat it.
She took a bite and then when she pulled back,
one was crawling on her hand.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, no, And you know this wouldn't happen to me
because I don't eat sandwiches like that. I take them apart.
I don't eat like and directly bite into a sandwich.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
So at first, sometimes croissants could be made with like
ham and cheese rolled within the pastry, right, So at
first I'm thinking it's inside and nobody had cut it
open or anything not that that makes it acceptable. That's
just how I was picturing it at first.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
But then when I watched the video of.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
This is it is a croissant cut in half that
somebody put ham and cheese into and built the sandwich.
The person building the sandwich didn't notice the bugs.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
This is my concern actually, So I mean, like, if
you eat maggots by accident, it's the thing, ever, but
you're not gonna get sick from the maggots. Your stomach
acid will dissolve them and that's the end of that.
But are they on this meat because it is going
bad and it's spoiled and that's why flies are landing
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on it and having eggs and now maggots are on it.
That you could get sick from meat that's been sitting
out like that. So that's one of the concerns. And also,
if you want to just think about the life cycle,
like let's totally nerd out science, the life cycle of
what happens here that a fly lands on meat and
has eggs that hatch within as quick as twenty four hours,
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sometimes even half a day, sometimes depending on the environment.
If if for some reason that meat was out and
a fly had access to it, and then they put
it in the refrigerator, that would slow down the life
cycle of the larva hatching because the temperature is so low,
So then they would pull the meat back out again,
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and then it would have to sit out for a
while warm up to room temperature in order for these
these lava to come out of the of the eggs right,
and then for them to be so many in a
sandwich like that, I personally think that they're not having
safe food practices to begin with. So that's that's one
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part of it. And the fact that this restaurant was like, oh,
we'll give you a refund.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
That wait, that is not even the worst part of
their reply, just saying we'll give you a refund. She
messaged them on Instagram immediately after and told them about
it because she wanted them to stop selling anymore, and
they responded quote bloody flies, like, oh, it's the fly's fault,
Like what are you doing there? So now they're being
investigated for their health, like the health practices are getting investigated.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, I mean that just wouldn't happen unless they weren't
doing something right.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
But they've issued in a policy, but ask people not
to be swayed by one fan review. This isn't a
Karen issue, it's a health issue.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
What are you talking about? And like, listen if somebody
wrote in there and I'm guilty of this too, Like
sometimes you'll read, well, there's a really good restaurant around here,
actually that Byron said he ate at and got food
poisoning from, And I often want to order food from there,
and I'm kind of like, yeah, but that one time
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Byron got food poisoning. But then I'm like, yeah, but
it's really good food poisonings Like whatever, you poop a
bunch and then it's over within a day. Right. Maggots
on their hand, are just like a deal breaker for me.
If someone said that any restaurant had maggots in the food,
I would scream from the rooftops to everyone I knew
never to eat there again. It's just, really, it's just
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beyond disturbing, especially thinking about flies on dead bodies and
maggots on dead bodies. Like the whole entire thing just
skeeves me out so bad. You want to hear something interesting. Actually,
So when I remember when I was a little kid
back in the day when like people would come door
to door and sell you like softball candy or something
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like that for a fundraiser. Mo mom got a Mister
goodbar once and she bit into it and said there
were maggots in it. Oh right, and she freaked out,
and our whole entire life every Halloween, like we would
get Mister goodbars and stuff. She would she would just
be like, get those things away from me. The rapper
was like triggering to her, because I'm serious, it's because
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it's so disturbing to have, Like if it was an earthworm,
I wouldn't even care. It's just like there's something disturbing
about maggots that, at least for me, that I put
in the same category as a decomposing dead body. And
I just can't. But but she would be like, oh,
like they could go in the trash like they don't
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need to be in our house because she just she
was just like those things have maggots all the time.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
So I will say, I have been dreaming about my
chocolate and almond croissants from Montreal, and I am a
little disgusted by the story foot I still will be
getting it.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
It's a their issue. And listen, like, I'm sure that
every person, every person at least has has had fly
eggs for sure, because if you ever have a barbecue
or anything, especially if you have food outside like that,
you see that there's flies on the food and they
lay eggs when they're there, right that that happens and
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nobody's gotten sick from it. It's just the thought of
them actually hatching. It takes time for that to happen,
is what I'm trying to say. And that makes me
think that that it's that the food's old, that it's
it's breaking down, you know what I mean, Like it's
just it's just really gross, Like why do they have
meat out there that has exposure to flies? Anyway, This
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is why.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I'm so annoyed by the leg Don't be swayed by
one review. Like we're not talking about someone that went
there was like the food I had was disgusting, blah
blah blah, Like there is evidence there are maggots in
this sandwich, and that's a major health violation because, as
you said, it's not like you're gonna get sick from
the maggots. Are they considered bugs or they parasites? They're bugs, well,
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they are, but they could act as a para a
parasite as well, like they're a larva of a fly,
but also they can infest a person as a parasite.
But yeah, okay, So the issue of getting at in
general is just like if if you're not taking care
of your food enough that it has maggots on it,
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there's bigger problems going on in your facility.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Like technically, I guess the definition of a parasite would
be something that needs a host to live off of,
where maggots they don't necessarily need like a warm, flooded host.
They could live as long as they have dead meat
to eat. So if there was a hamburger in the
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trash can, they could live and live out their life cycle.
They don't need it to be attached to a warm
blooded person. But people could still have infestations of maggots
who are eating. Like if a person has a tumor,
let's say, for example, or they have gangarine on their leg,
they would be attracted to the smell of the dead
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flesh and they would live there and set up shop,
and like lots of them would start to grow. But
they don't necessarily need that warm blood to live. They
just need the dead meat.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I really hope nobody's listening to this segment while eating
right now, because.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I just skip flies like I And if you have
a restaurant, you should have the sticky traps. You should
have everything, because you can't. You can't prevent them, especially
if you have a restaurant and you have trash in
the in the back. It's just impossible to prevent them.
But you should do everything above and beyond to make
sure that they're not near food. And usually when you
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have a little sandwich shop like that, like don't you
have those those little like silver trays that pull over
the food that's sitting out and stuff. Yeah, but if
they're they're not doing that. Yeah, I mean, if they're
not busy, they're not doing that.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I'll tell you from all my years of work, and these.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
People are not These people were definitely not doing it.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
All right, let's talk about Disney because there's been a
million stories going on there.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
The last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
So for those of you who aren't familiar with Disney World,
they have this park called Epcot which features a bunch
of different countries, and people do that. I don't think
it's an official thing they offer, but people do this
thing called drinking around the world. Well, they'll go to
every country and get an alcoholic beverage. But apparently this
is becoming a huge problem, and now there's an issue
with public drunkenness, people vomiting in public spaces of the
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park and just being really annoying to the other guests.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
You know, one of my my theories on life is that,
and Gabe and I agree on this and discuss this
all the time. When you find something that you really
enjoy doing, like anything in the world, hanging out with
your friends, going to Disney World, going to a baseball game,
going to a football game, whatever, when you enjoy that,
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what makes you say like, oh, I want to get
as wasted as possible, so I don't enjoy it, Like
I don't, I don't understand it. Like if you already enjoy. Like,
I understand if you're like if you want to get
like wasted at your job because it sucks, But like,
why would you want to go to Disney World and
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be wasted? Like, isn't just Disney World enough?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Well? Think about Ricky for example, because he has no
interest in going to Disney at all, and I really
like Disney World, and I promised him that we will
not go to get or I will not make him
go there before we have children. But after we have kids,
I'm like, I want to go, and he's gonna be miserable.
So that's gonna be appealing to him because he doesn't
want to be.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
There at all. And I understand that one hundred percent.
I just think that are there really that many people
that don't want to be there? Are all? Is it
just like a bunch of people who love Disney and
then their partner that absolutely hates it like I and
really like a lot of I don't think there's that
much of a percentage of people that go to Disney
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that just don't enjoy being there. No, totally, Because it's
so expensive too. It's like I'm not gonna make you
come along when it's gonna cost a couple hundred dollars
a day to have you here.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Do you think it's getting Do you think it could
be worse than a normal situation, a normal drinking situation
because you have the excessive heat, people are probably dehydrated,
they're not drinking enough water walking around, they're probably not
eating enough food, and then they can easily just get
so many drinks. Yeah, right, And also.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Everybody there, for the most part, I know, a lot
of a lot of people drive to Disney, but there's
a lot of people that just like all they have
to do is hop on a train or a bus
to get to their hotel. I just like, I really
just I don't know, like, and I understand that a
lot of adults that don't have children go there, but
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when you're there with your little kids and stuff, it's
it's funny that they're saying that the lines are longer
for the alcohol than than for the some of the
rides and listen, like, Epcot is my favorite one of
all of them. I've always loved that one because it's
kind of science based and cool and just like, I
love the whole vibe there. But I wouldn't ever complain
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to anybody. And I guess that's part of this article
that people are just like I kind of want to
walk through and I don't want to have to deal
with They're saying it's more less like Epcot and more
like what is it called the Bourbon Street in New Orleans? Oh? Yeah,
Like it's got a vibe of that, and I kind
of like, that's the worst vibe ever to me.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
So, well, this is another point I want to make up,
speaking of Bourbon Street, because when you think I don't,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I think you've never been to New Orleans, right, Well, going,
I'm going soon next month, I'll go.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
So in New Orleans, when you're drinking, a lot of
it is super sugary drinks like dakerease and just things
with so much sugar in it. And I think a
big problem at Epcot could also be that you are
mixing so many different kinds of drinks together. Because when
I think about you know, of course, I've had many
occasions in my youth where I've puked my guts out,
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like after drinking, but it was always after I mixed
different alcohols together. Right, So when you're in Epcot, when
you start like if you start off on the left
side of Epcot, and you want to start off in Mexico,
for example, you're gonna get a margarita, and then you're
gonna go to France and get a champagne, and then
you're gonna Germany and get a beer. You're mixing all
the different types of alcohol together. And I think that's
also just a complete recipe for disaster for somebody that
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might be used to drinking. You could normally have a
couple drinks, but you're mixing them all together. You're not
drinking enough water, you're not eating enough food, and it's
hot as shit there. So I think that's with all
those factors together, that's why they might be seeing a problem.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
It really is. It's the weather there is just so terrible.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
And side note, there was another death there, So what's
that bring us to five in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Five. Yeah, we don't even know anything about this particular one.
It happened that.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I think, but the only information we have is that
the emergency call said person down.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
We don't know anything about how they died. This is
like remember a couple of years ago when they were
trying to say that all these people were dying in
the Dominican Republic on vacation. It's just like, and that
wasn't the case, Like that, many people die in the
of Republic on vacation all the time. And it's the
same thing with Disney, Like people die at Disney all
the time. And now all of a sudden, it's just
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like the Internet and the viral and the making the video,
and it's gonna go more viral because every single time
there's because the first one was that woman who killed
herself and that was a weird case, right.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
So I have some something on that too. So remember
when we reported that, If anybody wants to listen to
that story, go back to our dark Side episode. But
I think that we really sat on Halloween. So for
that one, there had been speculation that she jumped in
front of the monorail, but Annie was saying she was
there when it happened, and what she was hearing around
the park was that that woman jumped from the balcony
and landed by the monorail tracks.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Oh god, like on the inside of the hotel.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
I'm not sure if it was on the inside or out,
but like that has to be so disturbing. Yeah, and
that was around the time. If it was inside, that's
extra fucked up because all you know, all the restaurants
in the contemporary are open.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
In the lobby right there.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah, so, and it was around dinner time, so think
about all those restaurants being packed with families eating dinner
and then something like that happens.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Well, I think that that particular case was just so
unusual the way it went down, because the husband was
looking for her and then she had these pictures online
that she was pregnant at least, and nobody really knows
what happened. So that case went viral. And then so
now it's like every single time a person dies, it's
just gonna go extra viral because let's say, like that
(41:17):
person that had a heart attack on the Haunted mansion
or whatever, it's just kind of like, Okay, that happens
old people, whatever it was the case may be, but
but like that one got so much attention, So now
anyone is going to get attention, so there's gonna be more, Oh,
this person died, this person died, and it's like.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Well, it's like the Boeing effect of last year, and
you could say even this year with cruise ships too.
I mean, there has been more reports of cruise ship
incidence than ever this year.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah, exactly, because it's just like once one catches on,
then they're like, oh, let's you know, and and the
news has been jumping and and and just like social
media is just is known for this. Now. Just if
let's say we're in Disney tomorrow and we see an
ambulance pull up, the first thing that we would do
(42:05):
is like take a video and post it because everybody
would see it, you know what I mean, Like, I mean,
I really don't care to do that unless it is
like really juicy, but that's that's what happens. So now
every single time anybody sees anything like that, they're gonna
pull out their phone and it's instantly gonna go viral
because it's some kind of scandal they want to try.
(42:26):
I mean, like we've said this, the magic's over with Disney,
like between the Google Earth just being able to see
what's going on behind the scenes and all anybody posting
anytime there's a problem there, Like anything they used to
push under the rug and hide is not anymore.
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Thanks
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to discuss the story that went viral this week
about Coco saying that she breastfed her daughter until she
(00:29):
was six. A freak accident involving the accidental discharge of
a firearm, only this time it was an unlikely gunman.
A really alarming case that will be happening more frequently,
involving kids and AI porn images. And then we'll finish
the episode with a woman whose croissant sandwich was moving,
(00:49):
and also people puking at Disney. All that and more.
On today's episode, you said croissant so fancy. It was
an impediment, like it was an act.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I think everybody will find it funny. All right, This
first story I want to handle delicately because I really
love Coco a lot. And after we were on Elvis Durrann,
she started following the Mother Nose.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Death Instagram and she follows me too, and I love her.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I don't know if she listens, but I don't want
to offend.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
And Iced Tea was at Crime Con and I wanted
to meet him so bad, and we just like couldn't
figure it out with our schedule and stuff, and I
was so bummed about that. But I was hoping that
she was going to be there and I would just
see her like walking around and could go say hi.
But then when she started following me, I was like, Okay,
you don't have to be delicate. I don't think that
(01:43):
she's wrong. I know that you might have different opinions
on this, but go ahead. Well, she's defending breastfeeding their
daughter until she was six years old. But I will
say obviously a couple of weeks so we had a
breastfeeding story where they were saying, what was it. The
Pediatric Association was saying it was they you could breastfeed
up to seven years old, and I'm not in the
(02:04):
American one. They're worded differently. The American Pediatric says to
do it to at least two years old, whereas the
World Health Organization is they're the ones that are more
relaxed with the and there is no rule like worldwide
there's no rule, but in general worldwide it stops between
(02:27):
three to seven years old. Not in America, but worldwide
three to seven years old is the range, so it
was only weird here. You just have to say that I.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Was not down with the seven year old age limit
that they had put up. I thought that was a
little extreme. But Coco is defending it, saying it was
a great bonding moment between her and her daughter, and
I do understand that.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So I understand because she has like very volumptuous looking boobs,
so I don't blame her daughter. But no, seriously, I
don't think it's a problem. I think that there is
specifically no rules with this from any medical association or
anything for this specific reason, because kids eventually will be like,
(03:15):
I'm done here, and if they want to do it
and you want to do it, I don't see what
the problem is.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I think what she said though, was great, because she
was basically saying I'm going to let her stop when
she wants to stop. I feel like my problem with
it before is when parents force it upon older children.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
So let me tell you about this story I found
on Reddit. There was a I actually wrote it down
because it was a little weird. There was a social
worker that was asking a question and in some licensed
social worker Pete, I don't know why I can't say
those two words together a page that said that there
was in her office there was a mother that was
(03:57):
actively breastfeeding a twelve year old like in POW, and
she was asking if she should report them the Child
Protective Services and people some people are like, no, there's
no rule on that, and then other people are like,
there has to be a rule on that, And I
guess that's you're always going to have a situation where
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it runs into the level of inappropriate. I don't think
that Cocoa is at that level now, as some people
are saying, But definitely I think breastfeeding a twelve year
old boy in public is it's just not the norm.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Not right. Yeah, Like I don't think that's right. Like
what Coco's saying, which I can get behind, and she said,
in Europe they're doing it until seven there, it's nothing
to them. We Americans think it's weird. But I don't
think there's anything wrong with it as long as it's
just in your home, like she's keeping it within the
privacy of her home and for the comfort of her
daughter within their Home's not making a twelve year old
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boy breastfeed in a public space.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
The thing is is that you know, my kid's twelve
and she goes, so I'm just thinking about the boys
in her class, some of which are like starting to
get little mustaches and stuff. I mean, I don't know,
there is a point where I don't know, maybe there
should be like a puberty cutoff age or something.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
There does have to be a cutoff at some point.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
There was this video going viral this week on X
and like, I don't even a lot of times I
see videos and I'm like, God, I would like to
talk about this, but like you don't even know if
things are ai anymore. It's just like it's pointless to
talk about it if it's not real. But this video that
was going viral was this mom that was breastfeeding her
seventeen year old and like it showed her breastfeeding like
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this clearly this boy that looked like an adult almost
and I'm just like, is this real or is this fake?
And just like okay, like that you could see that
it would be possible that some relationships would would go
into this unusual territory of like I especially like a
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mom and her boy of like, okay, it's it's a
little bit too much. And how how's a seventeen year
old boy going to go out into the world and
be confident if he's still going home and breastfeeding to bed,
and like seventeen year olds are at the age where
they start dating and.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
A seventeen year old kuld drive a car, Like, yeah,
we need to cut off at some point, Like and
I guess when puberty kicks in then.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
You know that should be discussed. It's just it is
interesting that there's no magic number for anyone. So for
this licensed social worker, and I'm sure like whoever's listening,
like somebody has had this happen to them, that they're
either a physician or pediatrician or something, that there's been
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an inappropriate breastfeeding situation that you've had to be like
wait a second, is this like crossing a line of
abuse in a sense.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, yeah, I think if the kid's getting to puberty
and beyond, then that's when I don't know, because I
guess legally there's not a cutoff, right, because how are
people fed for centuries? I mean, it's a way of
feeding your kid, But Coco's saying it's not a way
of feeding their daughter. I believe her name is Chanel.
It's a way of comforting her more so. I mean,
the kid's nine now, she was six. She stopped feeding
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when she was sick.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
The memes of Chanelle are my favorite that says that
Chanelle looks more like Iced Tea than Iced Tea does.
She is truly the cutest.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Little girl I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
It's just it's just so funny that people say that,
like because it really is his spitting image. It's so funny.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I'll wrap this up by saying, I don't personally agree
with feeding them long, but I'm also not a mother,
so I don't understand it from that perspective. And I guess,
do whatever you want to do in the privacy of
your home when it comes to that, and your timeline
and your kid making the decision. But I would not
like to see a twelve year old boy being breastfed
in public. But I mean, that seems like a very
(08:17):
unusual case. I mean, she stopped feeding her when she
was six, so she was still pretty little kid at
that time, even though I'm not necessarily behind that. But
you're a mother, so you might have more understanding, yes,
And like.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I was in a different situation when I was breastfeeding
my kids because I was working full time and it
just was at you know, at a hospital with a
pretty important salary position. It just was very difficult for me.
And I kept it going with both of them for
a year, which was which was good. If I was
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at home or had the ability to be at home
with them, I probably would have been able to kept
it going much longer. It was just like I had
Lilian breastfed her pregnant with the other one breastfed her,
and I was kind of like, I'm done here after
a year, just because the pumping at work and everything
it's driving back and forth, it just became it just
(09:13):
became too much for me to deal with. So I don't,
I don't know. I didn't stop it because I felt
like they were too old. I just did because I
was too overwhelmed with life. So yeah, I don't know,
Like I don't, I don't think there's anything wrong with it,
all right.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
This guy was cleaning his shotgun and laid it down
on his bed for a minute, and during that time
his dog ended up jumping on the bed, causing the
gun to go off and accidentally shot him.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, so that's the unsuspected gunman was the dog. This
is crazy. So this is what I personally think happened.
So I showed Gabe this and he because they do
have a picture of the gun or the shotgun on
the uh on the article, and he seems to think
that this person that owns this gun is is more
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of a gun enthusiasts, just because of the certain way
that the gun looks. It looks like it's had some
modifications on it. And he was saying that in some cases,
some of these triggers could require less pounds of pressure
to pull the trigger. This way you could shoot faster.
(10:20):
So the possibility of that is that the guy could
have been outside shooting right, because he's in Pennsylvania and
some people have huge properties. He could have like ran
in the house, threw it on his bed to pee,
thinking he was home by himself and just didn't even
think about it. And like a dog, like a Golden
Retriever or something size, jumping on the bed and just
(10:43):
tapping their foot against the trigger could definitely set it
off like that, and that's probably likely the scenario.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
This is what the gun expert was saying at Crime
con in Nashville about the ALEC Baldwin shooting with a revolver.
Sometimes if you don't have good trigger and you're you know,
you're supposed to keep your finger on the side til
you're ready to shoot. So they were suggesting that it
was possible that if Alec Baldwin had his finger on
the trigger and then went to pull back the hammer,
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sometimes that could push the pin forward, which then pushes
up against your finger, which could have caused the gun
to fire. Yeah, so I don't think a lot of
people think about how easily it could be, and that's
why not having your finger in that area is important.
I mean, I guess it's also Now this is clearly
a freak accident, but with an animal involved that is
large and going to jump on the bed and has
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a lot of force, maybe if you're cleaning your weapons
you shouldn't have the animal of the room at all.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I mean, the guy like he could have got killed.
He could have and they said that he had surgery
and stuff, but he could have devastating injuries from from
ammunition like that, especially if he was in a close range.
Like I mean, it it's just kind of whatever it was.
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If you have good gun adiquate that it's just it
was just sloppy. In general, if you have to do anything,
you should have a rack to put it up. It
should have a safety on it whatever, like because when
you start assuming like, oh, nobody's here and you know,
everything should be fine, It's like that's how accidents like
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that happened. So oh totally.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
And did you see the other dog related story on
this article that they're referencing now, So they said, this
incident comes less than a month after a North Carolina
Assistant Fire chiefs dog chewed on a lithium ion battery,
which then caused the house to catch on fire.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
These dogs need to be arrested.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
When they the crazy part about that story, they had
like a camera in the house and they caught the
whole thing on camera, so you see the dog chewing
it and then suddenly it kind of like explodes and
catches OUs on fire. It's so scary.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I saw a video recently within the past couple of
years too that was caught on video and it was
like the dog somehow got the oven, like turned the
oven burner on by accident, and it set a pot
on fire that was sitting on the stove and like
caught the house on fire. I mean, I'm sure their
stories like this all the time, because especially if a
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dog is bored and left alone for hours, they get
into trouble, they rip your shit up and like, oh
to if you don't create them or whatever. So I'm
sure people have lots of good stories about their dog
almost killing them. All right.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
For this next story, I feel like we need to
start introducing like a new segment called Rage Wednesdays or something,
because the last couple of Wednesdays in a row, we've
had infuriating stories this one coming up. Then last week
we had the teen rapist that was let go scot free,
and then we had the week before that the guy
that tattooed the girls genitals. So in this story, a
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thirteen year old girl was expelled from school after hitting
a boy who made a deep fake pornographic image of
her and then shared.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
It with other people.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I don't understand it if she was expelled and he
was not.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
This is like I said in the intro, this is
just gonna be happening more and more. It's just so
if you see all of these videos that go online
every single day that people are making of famous people,
I mean, it's just really, it's just gonna be kids
have access to the same thing, right and it I mean,
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this girl is my daughter's age, she's in middle school,
and I just keep thinking about how terrible that would be,
an embarrassing that would be for her. Because when you
look at these AI images, sometimes it's very easy to
tell that something's AI. Other times you're like, wow, that
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looks really good. And I know that people could look
at a person with clothes on and visualize what they
look like naked. But to look at a picture, even
if it's not the kids, boy, it's just sexualizing a
child that's like at this age where they're just going
through puberty and stuff, and it's just it's uncomfortable. It's
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it's invasive. And I could see why she was so
mad that she wanted to punch somebody, because I, as
as a parent, I would want to punch somebody too. Dad.
The dad's taking a very interesting and respectful approach to it,
which he's saying like he's he's not blaming the kid
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because kids are dumb and they do dumb shit and
they don't understand the implications of that. And he's not
blaming their family either. And and I do get that
to a certain extent, because kids are handed all of
this stuff right now, and my kids have had situations
with technology of doing dumb shit because they just don't
understand the extent of it. Like we were trying to
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tell Lillian the other day, you know, when you do
get a phone, if you lose your phone, if somebody
could get into it, then they could have you know,
cause it's connected to my cloud and this and that,
Like they could have access to our whole family's business,
your address, credit cards, all this shit. And she's like, well, no, Dad,
that wouldn't happen because I'd have a password on it.
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And we're just like, yeah, well, like they just don't
understand how scummy people are. And this kid doesn't understand
that like him creating this image and then sharing this
image is now on the internet forever, and like they
just don't understand.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I'm understanding of the family forgiving the child, right, even
though the child should face some punishment, because they can't
just go around not getting punished for doing something like this.
But they are dumb to your point, but they need
to be punished for it.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
In some regard.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
The biggest problem with this was the school and how
the school handle it, because, according to this family, the
girl had told the school about the picture and they
were seemingly blowing her off. At one point, it got
so bad that she wanted to call her parents in
the middle of the day, and they said, your parents
don't need to be involved, which I'm sorry, but your
parents need to be involved in anything that has to
do with you through your parents. And then it got
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to the point where they were on the bus and
he kept showing it again, and that's when she eventually
punched him. And like, listen, I think rightfully, so she
punched him in the face, right, like, okay, he was
bullying her and she was defending herself, if you want
to boil it down to that, but to expel her
and not him when she was reporting this bullying going
on for a while, what the fuck was the school doing.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I don't know, I don't and I don't know, Like
certain schools have very strict protocols. I know that some
schools are banning phones, which I don't agree with, which well, yeah,
but I mean.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Take this specific example. If this girl to call her
family in the middle of the day, it like seemingly
she did not have a cell phone where they had
the phone and she went to call her family in
the middle of day and then they didn't let her.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, but like, what do you think happened when we
were kids? I know, but when we were on top
of it.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
We live in a technology dependent society now where you
did not.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
But this, like this wouldn't have happened though if the
kids didn't have phones at school to send it around either.
So it's like no, because it could have happened.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
This is the problem too with technology, is like you
in the eighties and nineties used to get bullied at
school and then it would end when you went home,
Like it doesn't end for them anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
With the internet.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
It doesn't matter if he had the phone at school
or not. He could have still made it and send
it around to everybody, and then she's getting text with it.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I think it's different too, like if the kid goes
to public school, because there's such a threshold for kicking
kids out of public school, Like private schools can do
all these different things where kids have to sign a
contract and this and that, and like you'll get kicked
out if you violate the contract, and they will kick
you out. I think with public schools, like I said,
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the threshold is just so much different because they have
to tolerate it because it's public. I don't really know
what the solution is. It's just there has to even
if the kid goes home and does something, there has
to be some kind of rule because that child the
one that it's not like the kids going home and
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creating AI porn of a kid that goes to another school.
You know, it's it's it should be fall under the
category of bullying and online bullying carries twenty four to seven, right,
So yeah, I would be mad about the school and
and like, also how was it being sent because I
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guess her face at least with any kind of if
the kids had TikTok or social media, if they were
using any kind of an app like that, her face
should be picked up as a minor and that should
be flagged.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Well, yeah, but we know how these AI systems.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
We'll talk about that in another story. Is that so
now or tomorrow's episode that we're talking about the I
think that's tomorrow, But so yeah, I mean, aside from that,
just I don't I just don't know. And I think
the problem is that no one knows if if there
was a school and a committee, I would sit down.
(20:30):
And I haven't had to experience that yet at our
kids school, but they're all just also getting into the
age where they're starting to get phones. And I'm sure
there's been instances that have happened at the school that
have been like brushed under the rug that we haven't
even heard about or anything. And oh totally.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I mean, and I guess they're really pissed too, because
she was expelled and then they're fighting it and then
they were like, okay, she could come back now on
approbationary period, but the expulsion is still going to be
on a record, and in general, who it's expelled for
hitting somebody one time. I'm just saying, because.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
You listen, I think under and I guess in theory
you could say that any kid that hits a kid
had a reason that that's why they do have to
have a hard rule. That's just like because because you
don't just randomly hit someone. You hit someone because you're
pissed at them and you feel it's justified that.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, But I think I think about being in middle
school and the same kids were in fights every other
day and they would just get suspended for a day
or two, like it didn't immediately go to expulsion. So
that's where I'm kind of like the story is you
go to a private school where it's like one act
of violence and you're out, because in public school there's
no way they could manage that at all.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I mean, I think it's I think it's good that
it worked out this way because it ended up going
viral and now it seems like the school is going
to reopen the case and try to figure out what happened.
I I I really just don't know what the solution is.
I mean, you can't they do have to make a
rule like that because you can't, like listen. My first
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thought is like I want to punch somebody if they
do anything like that to hurt my kid, But like
you can't. You can't like solve life by that, So
then there has to be a rule. But I don't
know what. I don't know what I would do, Like
I keep trying to think of what I would do
as a parent in that situation, because the more you
talk about it, like I'm getting pissed off. I can't
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imagine like having to fight for my kid to get
back into school over this. I would be like a
psychotic rage queen of I don't even know, like calling
my senator or something. I don't even know what I
would do, because you feel helpless in that situation. And
I'm glad that at least they took to social media
and it picked up a little bit. Well.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I don't know if you saw this part, but it
said one student was charged with ten counts of unlawful
dissemination of images created by AI in September. So was
that this boy? And like what does that mean exactly?
So did he not get expelled from school? But he
has criminal charges? And I don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Let me so let's say this when let's say, can
you do this create these images on like chat, GP
tears or like a certain one that does these porn ones.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I feel like recently GIBT has updated their policies and
they don't do certain things.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
So but regardless, you put it into some kind of
AI thing and you say, what do you like, I
want to know what the process of these kids are doing.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Like so they probably like they probably take a porn
picture and they probably take a picture of the person
and they're like, put this person's head on this.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Picture, So there's no way that the AI capabilities that
they could see that that's a child.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Well, it should be detecting that. But we know how
these programs work, and they're not perfect because it's technology.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
This is just it's just so bad. It's so bad.
I don't just trying to parent and navigate in this
world that I mean, this is something we weren't even
talking about five years ago. No, I'm exactly like, I
just I can't even imagine because now it's like my
kids still have to go through full finish middle school
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and full high school. Like what's going to happen in
the next five years with this? Like I don't even
I don't even know how to navigate it, and no
one really does.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
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Speaker 1 (25:38):
Okay, this story is ugh.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I was just talking about these heavenly croissants I want
to buy in Montreal, and now I'm gonna be a
little deterred after this story. So a woman went on
TikTok and shared that after buying a ham and cheese
croissant at a local cafe, she ended up finding maggots
crawling around in the pastry.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
She shows this sandwich and there are a lot of
maggots underneath of the role just crawling around. It is
so disturbing.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
You want to know the worst part is, she said
she waited until she got to work to eat it.
She took a bite and then when she pulled back,
one was crawling on her hand.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, no, And you know this wouldn't happen to me
because I don't eat sandwiches like that. I take them apart.
I don't eat like and directly bite into a sandwich.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
So at first, sometimes croissants could be made with like
ham and cheese rolled within the pastry, right, So at
first I'm thinking it's inside and nobody had cut it
open or anything not that that makes it acceptable. That's
just how I was picturing it at first.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
But then when I watched the video of.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
This is it is a croissant cut in half that
somebody put ham and cheese into and built the sandwich.
The person building the sandwich didn't notice the bugs.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
This is my concern actually, So I mean, like, if
you eat maggots by accident, it's the thing, ever, but
you're not gonna get sick from the maggots. Your stomach
acid will dissolve them and that's the end of that.
But are they on this meat because it is going
bad and it's spoiled and that's why flies are landing
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on it and having eggs and now maggots are on it.
That you could get sick from meat that's been sitting
out like that. So that's one of the concerns. And also,
if you want to just think about the life cycle,
like let's totally nerd out science, the life cycle of
what happens here that a fly lands on meat and
has eggs that hatch within as quick as twenty four hours,
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sometimes even half a day, sometimes depending on the environment.
If if for some reason that meat was out and
a fly had access to it, and then they put
it in the refrigerator, that would slow down the life
cycle of the larva hatching because the temperature is so low,
So then they would pull the meat back out again,
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and then it would have to sit out for a
while warm up to room temperature in order for these
these lava to come out of the of the eggs right,
and then for them to be so many in a
sandwich like that, I personally think that they're not having
safe food practices to begin with. So that's that's one
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part of it. And the fact that this restaurant was like, oh,
we'll give you a refund.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
That wait, that is not even the worst part of
their reply, just saying we'll give you a refund. She
messaged them on Instagram immediately after and told them about
it because she wanted them to stop selling anymore, and
they responded quote bloody flies, like, oh, it's the fly's fault,
Like what are you doing there? So now they're being
investigated for their health, like the health practices are getting investigated.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, I mean that just wouldn't happen unless they weren't
doing something right.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
But they've issued in a policy, but ask people not
to be swayed by one fan review. This isn't a
Karen issue, it's a health issue.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
What are you talking about? And like, listen if somebody
wrote in there and I'm guilty of this too, Like
sometimes you'll read, well, there's a really good restaurant around here,
actually that Byron said he ate at and got food
poisoning from, And I often want to order food from there,
and I'm kind of like, yeah, but that one time
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Byron got food poisoning. But then I'm like, yeah, but
it's really good food poisonings Like whatever, you poop a
bunch and then it's over within a day. Right. Maggots
on their hand, are just like a deal breaker for me.
If someone said that any restaurant had maggots in the food,
I would scream from the rooftops to everyone I knew
never to eat there again. It's just, really, it's just
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beyond disturbing, especially thinking about flies on dead bodies and
maggots on dead bodies. Like the whole entire thing just
skeeves me out so bad. You want to hear something interesting. Actually,
So when I remember when I was a little kid
back in the day when like people would come door
to door and sell you like softball candy or something
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like that for a fundraiser. Mo mom got a Mister
goodbar once and she bit into it and said there
were maggots in it. Oh right, and she freaked out,
and our whole entire life every Halloween, like we would
get Mister goodbars and stuff. She would she would just
be like, get those things away from me. The rapper
was like triggering to her, because I'm serious, it's because
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it's so disturbing to have, Like if it was an earthworm,
I wouldn't even care. It's just like there's something disturbing
about maggots that, at least for me, that I put
in the same category as a decomposing dead body. And
I just can't. But but she would be like, oh,
like they could go in the trash like they don't
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need to be in our house because she just she
was just like those things have maggots all the time.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
So I will say, I have been dreaming about my
chocolate and almond croissants from Montreal, and I am a
little disgusted by the story foot I still will be
getting it.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
It's a their issue. And listen, like, I'm sure that
every person, every person at least has has had fly
eggs for sure, because if you ever have a barbecue
or anything, especially if you have food outside like that,
you see that there's flies on the food and they
lay eggs when they're there, right that that happens and
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nobody's gotten sick from it. It's just the thought of
them actually hatching. It takes time for that to happen,
is what I'm trying to say. And that makes me
think that that it's that the food's old, that it's
it's breaking down, you know what I mean, Like it's
just it's just really gross, Like why do they have
meat out there that has exposure to flies? Anyway, This
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is why.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I'm so annoyed by the leg Don't be swayed by
one review. Like we're not talking about someone that went
there was like the food I had was disgusting, blah
blah blah, Like there is evidence there are maggots in
this sandwich, and that's a major health violation because, as
you said, it's not like you're gonna get sick from
the maggots. Are they considered bugs or they parasites? They're bugs, well,
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they are, but they could act as a para a
parasite as well, like they're a larva of a fly,
but also they can infest a person as a parasite.
But yeah, okay, So the issue of getting at in
general is just like if if you're not taking care
of your food enough that it has maggots on it,
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there's bigger problems going on in your facility.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Like technically, I guess the definition of a parasite would
be something that needs a host to live off of,
where maggots they don't necessarily need like a warm, flooded host.
They could live as long as they have dead meat
to eat. So if there was a hamburger in the
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trash can, they could live and live out their life cycle.
They don't need it to be attached to a warm
blooded person. But people could still have infestations of maggots
who are eating. Like if a person has a tumor,
let's say, for example, or they have gangarine on their leg,
they would be attracted to the smell of the dead
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flesh and they would live there and set up shop,
and like lots of them would start to grow. But
they don't necessarily need that warm blood to live. They
just need the dead meat.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I really hope nobody's listening to this segment while eating
right now, because.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I just skip flies like I And if you have
a restaurant, you should have the sticky traps. You should
have everything, because you can't. You can't prevent them, especially
if you have a restaurant and you have trash in
the in the back. It's just impossible to prevent them.
But you should do everything above and beyond to make
sure that they're not near food. And usually when you
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have a little sandwich shop like that, like don't you
have those those little like silver trays that pull over
the food that's sitting out and stuff. Yeah, but if
they're they're not doing that. Yeah, I mean, if they're
not busy, they're not doing that.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I'll tell you from all my years of work, and these.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
People are not These people were definitely not doing it.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
All right, let's talk about Disney because there's been a
million stories going on there.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
The last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
So for those of you who aren't familiar with Disney World,
they have this park called Epcot which features a bunch
of different countries, and people do that. I don't think
it's an official thing they offer, but people do this
thing called drinking around the world. Well, they'll go to
every country and get an alcoholic beverage. But apparently this
is becoming a huge problem, and now there's an issue
with public drunkenness, people vomiting in public spaces of the
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park and just being really annoying to the other guests.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
You know, one of my my theories on life is that,
and Gabe and I agree on this and discuss this
all the time. When you find something that you really
enjoy doing, like anything in the world, hanging out with
your friends, going to Disney World, going to a baseball game,
going to a football game, whatever, when you enjoy that,
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what makes you say like, oh, I want to get
as wasted as possible, so I don't enjoy it, Like
I don't, I don't understand it. Like if you already enjoy. Like,
I understand if you're like if you want to get
like wasted at your job because it sucks, But like,
why would you want to go to Disney World and
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be wasted? Like, isn't just Disney World enough?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Well? Think about Ricky for example, because he has no
interest in going to Disney at all, and I really
like Disney World, and I promised him that we will
not go to get or I will not make him
go there before we have children. But after we have kids,
I'm like, I want to go, and he's gonna be miserable.
So that's gonna be appealing to him because he doesn't
want to be.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
There at all. And I understand that one hundred percent.
I just think that are there really that many people
that don't want to be there? Are all? Is it
just like a bunch of people who love Disney and
then their partner that absolutely hates it like I and
really like a lot of I don't think there's that
much of a percentage of people that go to Disney
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that just don't enjoy being there. No, totally, Because it's
so expensive too. It's like I'm not gonna make you
come along when it's gonna cost a couple hundred dollars
a day to have you here.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Do you think it's getting Do you think it could
be worse than a normal situation, a normal drinking situation
because you have the excessive heat, people are probably dehydrated,
they're not drinking enough water walking around, they're probably not
eating enough food, and then they can easily just get
so many drinks. Yeah, right, And also.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Everybody there, for the most part, I know, a lot
of a lot of people drive to Disney, but there's
a lot of people that just like all they have
to do is hop on a train or a bus
to get to their hotel. I just like, I really
just I don't know, like, and I understand that a
lot of adults that don't have children go there, but
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when you're there with your little kids and stuff, it's
it's funny that they're saying that the lines are longer
for the alcohol than than for the some of the
rides and listen, like, Epcot is my favorite one of
all of them. I've always loved that one because it's
kind of science based and cool and just like, I
love the whole vibe there. But I wouldn't ever complain
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to anybody. And I guess that's part of this article
that people are just like I kind of want to
walk through and I don't want to have to deal
with They're saying it's more less like Epcot and more
like what is it called the Bourbon Street in New Orleans? Oh? Yeah,
Like it's got a vibe of that, and I kind
of like, that's the worst vibe ever to me.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
So, well, this is another point I want to make up,
speaking of Bourbon Street, because when you think I don't,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I think you've never been to New Orleans, right, Well, going,
I'm going soon next month, I'll go.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
So in New Orleans, when you're drinking, a lot of
it is super sugary drinks like dakerease and just things
with so much sugar in it. And I think a
big problem at Epcot could also be that you are
mixing so many different kinds of drinks together. Because when
I think about you know, of course, I've had many
occasions in my youth where I've puked my guts out,
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like after drinking, but it was always after I mixed
different alcohols together. Right, So when you're in Epcot, when
you start like if you start off on the left
side of Epcot, and you want to start off in Mexico,
for example, you're gonna get a margarita, and then you're
gonna go to France and get a champagne, and then
you're gonna Germany and get a beer. You're mixing all
the different types of alcohol together. And I think that's
also just a complete recipe for disaster for somebody that
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might be used to drinking. You could normally have a
couple drinks, but you're mixing them all together. You're not
drinking enough water, you're not eating enough food, and it's
hot as shit there. So I think that's with all
those factors together, that's why they might be seeing a problem.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
It really is. It's the weather there is just so terrible.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
And side note, there was another death there, So what's
that bring us to five in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Five. Yeah, we don't even know anything about this particular one.
It happened that.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I think, but the only information we have is that
the emergency call said person down.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
We don't know anything about how they died. This is
like remember a couple of years ago when they were
trying to say that all these people were dying in
the Dominican Republic on vacation. It's just like, and that
wasn't the case, Like that, many people die in the
of Republic on vacation all the time. And it's the
same thing with Disney, Like people die at Disney all
the time. And now all of a sudden, it's just
(39:56):
like the Internet and the viral and the making the video,
and it's gonna go more viral because every single time
there's because the first one was that woman who killed
herself and that was a weird case, right.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
So I have some something on that too. So remember
when we reported that, If anybody wants to listen to
that story, go back to our dark Side episode. But
I think that we really sat on Halloween. So for
that one, there had been speculation that she jumped in
front of the monorail, but Annie was saying she was
there when it happened, and what she was hearing around
the park was that that woman jumped from the balcony
and landed by the monorail tracks.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Oh god, like on the inside of the hotel.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
I'm not sure if it was on the inside or out,
but like that has to be so disturbing. Yeah, and
that was around the time. If it was inside, that's
extra fucked up because all you know, all the restaurants
in the contemporary are open.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
In the lobby right there.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah, so, and it was around dinner time, so think
about all those restaurants being packed with families eating dinner
and then something like that happens.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Well, I think that that particular case was just so
unusual the way it went down, because the husband was
looking for her and then she had these pictures online
that she was pregnant at least, and nobody really knows
what happened. So that case went viral. And then so
now it's like every single time a person dies, it's
just gonna go extra viral because let's say, like that
(41:17):
person that had a heart attack on the Haunted mansion
or whatever, it's just kind of like, Okay, that happens
old people, whatever it was the case may be, but
but like that one got so much attention, So now
anyone is going to get attention, so there's gonna be more, Oh,
this person died, this person died, and it's like.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Well, it's like the Boeing effect of last year, and
you could say even this year with cruise ships too.
I mean, there has been more reports of cruise ship
incidence than ever this year.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah, exactly, because it's just like once one catches on,
then they're like, oh, let's you know, and and the
news has been jumping and and and just like social
media is just is known for this. Now. Just if
let's say we're in Disney tomorrow and we see an
ambulance pull up, the first thing that we would do
(42:05):
is like take a video and post it because everybody
would see it, you know what I mean, Like, I mean,
I really don't care to do that unless it is
like really juicy, but that's that's what happens. So now
every single time anybody sees anything like that, they're gonna
pull out their phone and it's instantly gonna go viral
because it's some kind of scandal they want to try.
(42:26):
I mean, like we've said this, the magic's over with Disney,
like between the Google Earth just being able to see
what's going on behind the scenes and all anybody posting
anytime there's a problem there, Like anything they used to
push under the rug and hide is not anymore.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
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