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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about Pete Davidson's baby mama, Elsie Hewitt,
who had an unusual procedure right after giving birth, a
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shocking video that went viral last week showing a Georgetown
coach not being able to control his emotions and injuring
a child in the process, a medical examiner who admitted
to making a mistake by putting an innocent man in jail,
a wedding guest that bit off the finger of another
wedding guest, and a dead body that was smuggled onto
a flight. We'll finish off the episode with your comments, questions,
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and more. Let's get started with Elsie Hewitt.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Okay, Pete Davidson and Eli's see Hewitt had their baby
a couple of weeks ago, and a day after giving birth,
she had to undergo, in my opinion, one of the
worst procedures ever, which was getting her wisdom teeth removed.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
So I don't know. She's a twenty nine year old girl,
and what happened was that she probably never got her
wisdom teeth removed. Like, how old were you when you
got your son?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Eighteen?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, Like I feel like I was around that age too.
I feel like a lot of There's actually a kid
in Lilian's class that got hers removed already in seventh grade,
which I thought was crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
God, it was so terrible.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I actually have a really funny picture of you we
could post in the grocer room. I think you got
it done. You have like tool coming out of your
mouth anyway, So she probably just never got them removed
because some people like they grow in and they don't
really bother people or whatever. But when she got pregnant,
you have all of these hormonal changes. Anyone that's ever
been pregnant knows that your gums get really swollen. It's
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just because of the fluctuation and an increase in pregnancy hormones,
and it makes them more inflamed, which can make them
more prone to infection. Also, when you're pregnant, you're considered immunocompromise,
so if you do get an infection, your body doesn't
fight it as well. And it could have been just
like a combination of all that. They could have saw
something brewing prior to her giving birth. But you know,
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if you're taking out someone's wisdom teeth, you have to
put them under anesthesia and stuff sometimes, so they don't
want to do something like that, especially when you're getting
ready to give birth to a baby. So maybe they
just like kept an eye on it. And then after
she had the baby, they were like, you need to
take care of this because, as we know from other cases,
like dental infections could really cause serious complications in your
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whole entire body. So she definitely had to go take
care of it. It just is so weird how it
went down, because think about giving birth to a child.
The last thing, especially your first kid, the last thing
you want to do is be like, oh, I have
to go get wisdom teeth surgery. Right after that, it's
like a bam bam and listen, like if you thought
get your wisdom teeth was bad, like wait till you
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have a baby.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
No, I know that, and like, I know, I haven't
given birth yet, so I have no idea what it
feels like, and I'm sure it's the worst thing ever,
but like I don't think people understand that haven't had
their wisdom teeth out how painful it is. And then
on top of that, you know, like diggy me percosets
or whatever. Like, I just don't understand how people do
them recreationally. I've never thrown up so bad in my
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entire life. I just can't fathom the experience of giving
birth and then within twenty four hours having to go
through that whole other, separate set of pain.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, I mean that sucks for her for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
No, totally.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
And you know what's interesting is like I heard somebody
on a podcast a couple of weeks ago talking about
how they never had cavities their entire life, and then
when they just had their first kid, they had a
couple cavities, which they were surprised by because this girl
was saying she was like really crazy about her mental health.
And well, one of the pregnancy apps I use or
whatever too, it just it gives you like daily tips,
and one of them was just like, is your tooth
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feeling loose? Make sure you're on top of your teeth
and everything, because your hormones could not make your teeth
fall out, but like it could just really damage your
teeth and you could just have really bad dental health
during this timeframe, which is just kind of crazy to
think about.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Well, sucks for her. But it's not. I mean, it's
not terrible. It's just like a suck thing, like she'll
be fine.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, and it's cute too. I want to note that
they named the baby after his dad, who died.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
In nine to eleven.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Oh, that is cute. All right, let's talk dude.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
This guy is such a douchebag.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Seriously.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
This Georgetown coach okay, so, Georgetown University basketball coach Ed
Cooley apparently threw a water bottle in a fit of
rage and then struck a baby in the head, which
then gave the child a concussion. Yeah, it's allegedly a concussion,
because none of the news stories say that it was
a concussion, but a lot of the online and certainly
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when you watch this guy throw a water bottle like
that and think about my kid, it's I don't know
what kind of water bottle it was. If it was
like a Stanley, that thing is like like you can
involved flying through the air at a high rate of speed.
But regardless, like even if it's plastic and it's filled
with water, just throwing it as hard as you can
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across it to hit a child. It just you're like
I'm looking at that and I'm like whoa, Like what
is going on there? And he's all like, oh, I
just want to apologize and I'm going to make it right.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
And it's just like, nah, dude, you're beyond that. Like,
if that kid seriously did get a concussion, that's you know,
that's kind of like a get out of.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Gel free card.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You only get a chance to get one of them
before you start getting a lot, and then you could
increase your risk of having serious brain damage later in life.
Like you're not throwing something at my kid, because you're
throwing a temper tantrum and getting a way with that shit.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
No, totally unacceptable because apparently it was over like that
his team was about to be able to tie the
game to go into overtime and they missed an important
shot and that's when he threw it right. So they're
saying he apologized and he got suspended for one game.
But these reports on x are saying that this kid
has a concussion, so of course we have to say
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allegedly and they're not confirmed in the news reports, but
this is what's going around on social media. And they're
also saying that family is planning on suing him and
the university as well. So you just have to think
about that because I don't know. This just happened, so
there's not a lot.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
No, this is if I absolutely would be throwing a freakin'
fit right now, if I went to a basketball game
and had to deal with a hospital VIDT visit and
a traumatic brain injury in my child because of a
coach throwing a bottle at my child because they can't
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control their emotions. And it's like that dude has like
issues big time, Like to me, I'm like if you
and and he's just like I almost felt like he
was kind of like making excuses for it, just like, oh,
that was really out of character for me. And I'm
gonna talk to them and apologize. And it's just like, nah, dude, no.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
But aren't you supposed to be setting an example for
your team, you know, like in not acting like that.
Would it be acceptable one of the players did that
in a fit of rage?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
No, So why is the coach allowed to do it?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Or like as just a man and a human and
a husband and a father or whatever he's got got
going on, Like, you just don't act like that as
a grown up.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Like total side note though, when I read his last name,
I immediately got no life without wife stuck in my head
from the Bollywood version of Pride and Prejudice called Bride
and Prejudice.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Because the guy's name was mister Cooley. Remember, Oh yeah,
I know. I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I feel like when I was a kid, like my
parents used to instead of saying but, they used to
say Coolly.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, like this movie. There's like Bollywood movie was so
big in our house growing up. I don't know why,
but anybody that's watched the Tradition or read the traditional
Pride and Prejudice, it's the character that's mister Collins, but
in the Bollywood version, his name's mister Cooley. And there's
like the most amazing songs in this movie. But I
(08:17):
just like, the whole time I'm writing this up, I
just kept singing that song in my head and now
it's gonna be stuck.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
In my head for Like. I showed Gabe that movie
and he was just like, what the hell is this?
It's kind of but he you know the part where
the girl does the cobra dance. Gabe always does that
to me, like it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I love that movie. I might watch it this week
because I just need to see it so good.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
It's so over the top, but it's so good, all right,
So this next one's like really best up.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
So over twenty years ago, a man had been put
on trial after a medical examiner determined his nineteen month
old son had died as a result of being violently shaken.
And now that medical examiner is admitting he made a
mistake and thinks the father might be innocent.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, this is this is like a really crazy case,
but it's really important to talk about. And I really
respect this medical examiner for coming forward and saying the
science that we knew back then has changed a little bit.
I didn't have the proper information. I made the wrong diagnosis,
(09:20):
and because of that, I believe this guy is in jail,
and he shouldn't be in jail because I don't think
that he intentionally tried to hurt his child, and that
I mean, honestly, like that takes a lot of balls
to do something like that, because people people don't remember
that that medical examiners and stuff are humans, and you
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know they're they're all overworked for sure, and just have
so much caseload. And then on top of that, it's
just like science changes. You only could go on the
facts that you were given, police reports.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
And things like that.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
So I think, I mean, I think it takes a
lot of courage for this guy to come out and
try to help this guy get out of jail now
because he easily and listen, I'm sure that this has happened,
that people have decided and determined that they may have
put someone in prison accidentally or unintentionally, but they don't
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want to stir up drama like this and they just
keep their mouths shut about it. I mean, really like,
it takes a lot of courage for this guy to
stand up. So let's talk about what happened a little
bit because it kind of, in my opinion, wasn't one
hundred percent his fault. So this this mom had, so
a mom and dad, their husband and wife. They have
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a baby, and she goes into labor prematurely, and the
baby's born and is only three pounds twelve ounces. Spends
days in the neonatal ICU with johndice, anemia and other conditions.
So they go home with the baby. They're finally released
from the hospital. They go home with this premature baby,
(10:59):
and five weeks later, the mom runs to the store
and leaves the dad at home with the kid, and
when she comes back, the baby is fussy, vomiting, not breathing,
and they go to the emergency room, and the emergency
room doctor thinks that the baby is having some signs
(11:21):
of child abuse because they say that this is a
five week old child and it looks very small, underfed,
there's bruises. We think this child's being abused. So they
call in this special pediatrician who specializes in childhood abuse,
like coming in and being like, is this child abuse?
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That's their specialty. And this person comes in and says
that these certain there's this tree out of symptoms that
were seen. And this was back then when this was diagnosed.
Brain swelling, bleeding into the brain, and bleeding behind the eye.
If you saw those three things, you were automatically like,
this kid was deliberately shaken shaken baby syndrome. Since then,
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and this has been a long time, so since then,
there's been all this research that's been done that's like, Okay,
those are definitely signs that you see in a child
with shaken baby syndrome, but not always. It's not always
the case so you can see it sometimes in natural disease.
While this medical examiner does the autopsy on this baby,
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and he's basically sees the brain swellings, sees the brain bleeding,
sees the bleeding behind the eyes, and agrees that these
are findings that are seen in a child who was
deliberately shaken. This is coroborated with the hospital pediatrician who
said that she also believes that the child was abused. Now,
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this wife, who is now in her sixty is still
married to this guy who got accused of this and
still believes in him and still fighting for him, and
he's also denied it. This entire time. This baby went
on to live to be nineteen months old, taken out
of the custody of both of his parents. His dad
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was in jail, and the mother lost custody because she
was an accomplice and died. She didn't even have controlled
They wanted to take this kid off life support at
nineteen months old, and she wasn't even in control of
deciding if the plug got pulled on her own kid. Okay,
this is horrible that this family went through this. So
now someone comes up to this medical examiner years later
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and says, hey, can you re examine this case? And
he finds out for the first time that this baby
was born prematurely. He didn't even know that. They didn't
even tell him that.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Why wasn't that included?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So, yeah, if you see a five week old baby
that is underweight and and does and like doesn't like
he thought that this was a term baby that had
that was healthy. This was not a healthy baby. In fact,
they have documentation that her pregnancy wasn't healthy. The baby
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was born premature and was not healthy. This was not
a healthy baby they were looking at. Well, that changes
things a lot. He didn't know any of that, so like,
we can't really beat him up for that because he
didn't know that and that could have changed his decision.
On top of the science just being different that hard
and fast. Every time you see those three things, it
means child abuse. It can't be anything else.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
And I don't really understand why the mom got charged
as well, because she wasn't even home at the time
this happened.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Well, there were bruises on the baby, but then that
has to do with like, there's just so many different
things because the dad was like, no, I was just
trying to resuscitate the bab I was trying to help
the baby and like it. But the baby like appeared
like it was and't fed. Right, Because let's say you
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give birth and I don't even know which gestation she
was when she gave birth. Let's say she gives birth
a thirty four weeks right, I mean the baby's three pounds,
she went early whatever it was. A baby that was
born five weeks ago at three pounds is definitely not
going to be the same at five weeks old as
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a baby that was born at eight or nine pounds.
They're going to be undernourished. And they because they're still
technically like a fetus.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
They they're like.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
If that baby was born at thirty four weeks by
the time this kid went to the hospital, that's like
the baby's do date. You understand what I'm saying? Like that,
it's like a living fetus still, right, So of course
it's going to be small and underweight and just have
complications that a term baby might not have. So I
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personally think the big jerk in this situation is the
doctor who called this the hospital because she withheld or
didn't even bother to look up information I don't know
if it was intentional withholding or just negligent withholding, but regardless,
she didn't get the full picture, even a little bit
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of like this baby kind of was not healthy to
begin with. So now this guy still in jail. Still
the wife is still like, I mean, think about this.
This is just so terrible. She said, this happened when
they were in their thirties. They're in their sixties now,
I mean, like, think about the process. So of course
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the guy first gets charged with child abuse, and then
when the kid ended up dying, then it's like, okay,
this is homicide now, so the guy gets even more trouble.
So he's still in jail. He's been in jail his
entire adult life. His whole entire family has fallen apart.
And like, listen, if this happened like this, this was
going to happen anyway, Like this baby was going to
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die from this because of whatever underlying health condition they
had as a result of the prematurity and everything like that.
But still, like the way, like imagine having a five
week old baby that you just carried all the way
to term and then it's five weeks old. Then you
run to the store to get formula for the kid,
and you come home to this and like they take
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your kid away from you, and you can't even be
with the kid as it's dying for for a whole
entire year, like almost two years after that or a
year and a half after that. Like it's just so
terrible on so many levels. And like even if and
I'm so glad that this guy finally came forward, but
but like even if this guy ends up getting out
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of jail and stuff, that they could be together and
that'll be fine, but like, this guy's also done hard
time for killing his baby in jail for thirty years,
so that must have been pure hell for him. And
and like she's been like cause I was actually thinking
that because I'm like if someone came up to me
and and like I just came home and someone was like, oh,
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your your husband was beating your kid, I would be
one hundred percent like, no, he did not. I would
one hundred percent be like he didn't. I would I
just I would fight for it because I would know
that it just wouldn't happen.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
You know what I mean, fighting for it the whole time.
Like she's a convicted felon too, I don't think she
ever went to jail, and says she took this thing
called an Alfred plea, which allowed her to maintain her
innocence but stay out of jail. And then and they
told her that she would be able to get she
had some visitation, like she was allowed to see the
kid every two weeks or once a month for an hour,
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with like a visit, like a supervised visit.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
God, it's just so horrible it is, and like and
then the worst part of this is that this probably
happens more often than you think, oh, one hundred percent,
and the word like it just keeps getting even worse too,
because it's like they reevaluate this case. They decide that
he did not kill this kid. So this medical exameter
writes in Affidavid last in September of twenty twenty four,
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recanting his homicide finding and determining that the baby had
died from a natural death. And then they're saying over
this time that both the trial court and Tennessee Court
of Criminal Appeals have declined to vacate his conviction. Like
don't you think that a key witness coming forward and saying,
I my testimony was incorrect yeah, yeah, expert witness backing
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it up. Yeah, the expert witness for the prosecution at that. Yes,
I mean, And the and the thing that sucks for
this medical examiner is I'm sure he's in retirement or
near retirement, depending on what age he was when this happened.
But but like he and all the medical examiners out there,
like he didn't even know that this was going on,
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you know what I mean, Like thank god someone came
to him and was like, hey, can you just like
relook at this case?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
And he was like, holy shit, like I.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Didn't know that there was anything wrong with this kid.
Like it's terrible, and you're just like like, I mean,
you do depend on the medical history that you're given, though,
like you, what are you gonna say they're making it
up from the hospital, Like no, he didn't know. Yeah,
it's so terrible, and I really hope that they're able
to get the guy out, but what the appeals and this,
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and that it's gonna be another ten years he'll get
out and maybe be able to live with his life
a couple of years before he dies.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
It's just so terrible.
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a thirty three year old man has been setting stuff
five years in prison after acting erratically at his best
friend's wedding and biting the best friend's uncle's finger off.
So it seems like what happened was he was drinking
since the morning, which I don't think is uncommon with weddings.
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But then at some point during the day he got
to fight with his girlfriend to the point where he
got kicked out of the wedding. Everyone said he was
acting like a wild animal. He tried to come back in.
That's when the uncle stepped in, and then while they
were fighting, the guy then bit his finger to the
point where it had to be amputated.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
He actually bit it so hard that he bit the
fingertip off and the other finger next to it was broke.
I think that people like adults that bite people unless
you're like into that kinky stuff or or you're getting
like you're seriously like walking down an alley and someone
attacks you and has their arm around you and you
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need to get them off of you. If you're an
adult that bites people, like in a fight like that,
that's so weird. It's weird to me. I'm like, this
guy's like mental or something. I mean, I know he
was drunk, but plenty of drunk people don't do that.
And to bite someone to the point, I mean like
you're gonna bite a guy's finger, like you know you're
eventually going to bite it off, I mean, that's just
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so disturbing.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Like he used his mouth as a weapon.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well, I was just gonna say, my favorite quote from
this article is he used his mouth as a highly
dangerous weapon to maim the uncle's fingers.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
So when we're talking about I mean, if you get
your fingers cut off by a knife or anything like that,
it's it's also just obviously there's a lot of different
things that go, especially with your hand because you use
them so much and they're so delicate and there's so
many tendons and ligaments, and I mean, you could just
cut the wrong thing and have a problem moving fingers
the rest of your life. And it's not just as
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simple as a cosmetic thing. It's also you know, you
use your hands as tools thing. But just like human
bites in general are just so dirty because there's just
all that additional bacteria in your mouth that that like
can get into these open wounds that you're making with
your sharp teeth, which, by the way, we're omnivores. Our
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teeth are designed to cut through meat, some of our
teeth and they will with a strong enough bite, You're
really gonna like push any bacteria that's in the gross
mouth that's also on the skin. Like you're gonna put
deep puncture wounds into this person and potentially cause them
to have not just with the acute of the fingertip
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getting amputated, but also a long or term thing with
a deeply seated infection. So it's just like it's just
like on a whole other level of trash and you're
just you're reading this story, I can't even keep track
like fight with the ex girlfriend, grow best friend's uncles.
This like.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Just crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
No, it's absolutely ridiculous. And then to add to add all,
they said he also threatened to bite off the police
officer's nose while he was getting arrested.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
So he does this like nobody stopped him when he
was five years old from not doing that anymore. And
this is where it led us. Oh yeah, this can't
it can't be like this guy lived his whole life
and then all of a sudden, twice in one night,
he's or did he just realize that he could hurt
somebody with his seat? So now he's like like threatening
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people with it. It's so weird.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Okay, So a family is accused of wheeling a dead
elderly woman onto a flight from Spain, and when they
were questioned, they just told the crew that she was tired.
There is there.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I haven't really done a deep dive to see if
there's video of this.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Wait, but didn't you just say, like I kind of
understand this if she hear me out.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
No, I thought the same exact thing, and I know
what you're about to say about gohead.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
If she died in the airport, right, did people understand
how expensive it is to ship a B versus.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
And the process and the paperwork and everything. I one
hundred percent thought the same thing. I was like, these
people are smart. They should have put sunglasses on her,
like we can at Bernie's Bernie style, and like just
propped her up and just kept their mouth shut the
whole time.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
So they were questioned a lot by the gate up
by the person working at the gate, and they just said,
oh no, she's tired, just like Levera Lone, She's tired.
So then they get on the plane and obviously look
suspicious and they're like, oh no, she's just tired. So
they go to the back of the plane and five
relatives are lifting this eighty nine year old woman into
a chair and people are just like, something's not right.
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And then finally one of the people working on the
plane just went over and was like, she is not alive.
Like they were about to take off and they had
to turn the plane around.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
And then this would piss me off.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
However, as another person on this plate, it got delayed
for twelve hours.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, and then they said they gave them like vouchers
to get like some food or something but all.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Five dollars gas coupon.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, exactly. They gave the here's another horrible vulture story.
They gave them a vouchuer to go get food or
something in the airport, and then all of the restaurants
and stuff weren't accepting the vouchers.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
But but listen, like we I think you wrote an
article about this. In the grosser room. We've talked about
this several times, Like, you can't ship.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
A body that's not bombed.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
It's just like it would be such a process. Like
imagine being on vacation and this old person you're with dies, Like,
I don't know, I might try to pull that off too, honestly,
because then it's.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Like we got to go to the funeral home.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
We got to pay all this money to get them bombed,
and we got to get them shipped, or we got
to get international situations, you got to cross border and yeah,
like it wouldn't like they were saying in this article,
it would cost anywhere between thirty five hundred and five
thousand pounds, which let me look this up real quick.
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You could talk while look this up.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Well, yeah, and like I I I could see where
their mind was at like they're from the UK, they're
in Spain. The flight is probably just an hour or
two right between them, so they're probably just like, oh man,
if we could just get her on this plane, we're
gonna save so much money. But like people know, when
somebody's dead, it looks quite obvious.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
With somebody, So it's like that.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
It's like they're saying it would be anywhere from like
forty five hundred to like seven thousand dollars. That's so
much money when you could just do it for free.
Just like everyone turn your head, let this dead person
sit on the flight for a couple hours and and
mind your business like it's not hurting anyone. And because
it was an international like crossing borders and stuff, they
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said in that particular situation that the that the that
the family member would have had to go on a
cargo flight, like a totally different flight and everything like
it just we just know from a lot of different
other stories we covered of what it like, it's kind
of a pain in the ass to do, and you
do it if you have to do it. But like
this this family, I don't know, like they they almost
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I mean they had a boarding pass and actively got
on the plane and it was in and every single
person that was on the plane was interviewed and was
like it was obvious that she was dead, which I
I just would love to see like a picture of
what this actually looks like.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I feel like she had to have died at the
airport because I can't see a world in which they
would let a sleeping quote unquote sleeping person go through security.
So like, is it possible they got to the airport
and she just happened to die, which I'm sure they're like,
you couldn't have just waited till we were on the plane,
Like to my hour.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Now, I think that you know, when you die, you lose,
especially in certain six situations, you really lose your color.
And that's why people were like, she's dead. And also
if you're going on an airplane, can you you can't
really fit a wheelchair up the aisle of an airplane, right, Like, no,
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they have to have something, right because I think they
have sped like thinner ones that can yeah, true, I
mean to I mean, I don't know. In that situation,
it just was funny because one of the people on
the plane were like, why is it okay that you
you don't let people drink on an airplane, but you're
gonna let a dead person on an airplane.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Like, yeah, no drunk people, but you can let yeah
as dead lady. All right, on your questions and emails. First,
when a person does, does their stomach acid keep dissolving food?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
So that's a good question. So you your your stomach
makes acid, in particular hydrochloric acid, which so when you die,
that acid could still be sitting in there, but you're
not going to continue to digest in the way that
you would think that you would digest, like, because there's
a lot of different things that go along with digestion.
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Besides a stomach acid. In the stomach, you have the gallbladder.
It's squirting out bile, which is no longer going to
happen one once it gets through, it's not even going
to get through.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
It's not going to push it.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Through because peristalsis or that's like the action of the
bowels actually moving the food through the GI track.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
That's done.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
So, yes, if you eat and there's hydrochloric acid in there, yes,
that acid could technically still be breaking down the food,
but it's not going to be moving through the GI track,
and in fact, sometimes that acid could actually be so
strong that it starts to autoize or digest the lining
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of the stomach as it's sitting in there.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Okay, Heather, Hello ladies, this is in regards to the
Chipotle story you just told on twelve seventeen, not Chipolte
or whatever you said.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I don't even know what I said, Chipolte. Is that
what I said? Chipolte? What's listen? As my father would say,
what's the difference?
Speaker 3 (30:57):
You know what I meant?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Right?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
What's the difference?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
You guys were wondering who were where you would turn
in the contaminated food to My sister and mom got
severe food poisoning from Carl's Junior and both were hospitalized
for it. The health department had asked if they still
had the food so they could test and research it.
Unfortunately they did not, because who would think to keep
that when finishing eating. Also, the department said the food
should have been kept refrigerated to avoid contamination or bacteria multiplication.
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Long story short, you would turn it into the health department.
This happened in California, so don't know if this applies
to other states or countries. Love you guys and the
pod congrats on the pregnancy, while wishes to you and
the baby. PS. My mom and sister are fine. They
believe it was eco Lie.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Thank you, thanks for sharing, and thank you for your
nice words. Yeah, that does make sense. Actually, So we're
putting out a public service announcement that if you eat
something and you think you get really sick from it,
make sure you put it in your refrigerator. But I
see what you're saying, Like if I order Mexican food
tonight and I eat it and then like usually if
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there's not that much leftover, you just throw out the rest.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
What do you like?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
You know what I mean? Like most people don't put
their food in the fridge unless you have leftover, So, but.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Maybe food poisoning doesn't present for like twelve to twenty
four hours. So like it's kind of hard to pinpoint
sometimes what got you sick.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, it is sometimes unless a lot of times though
it's like as easy as like a bunch of people
ate the same thing and then it's very easy to
determine like what it was. But yeah, like if you
have leftover, so you could get those tested and stuff.
But I guess, and that makes sense, for bacterial infections
and things like that. Especially this is how they find
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out about Like remember there was a hepatitis outbreak at
our favorite restaurant, Chee Cheese.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Oh my god, you know, stuff like that. So I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I'm just thinking though, like I guess, I guess you
would if you if you had a sandwich or a
bowl of and there was a rat in it, you
would call the health department and put it aside and
call them and just be like, I have this thing
in my refrigerator that I just got from there. So yeah,
that makes sense, all right.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Last min it's from Ray. When I was fourteen years old,
I started looking at my mother's nursing textbooks and anatomy
atlases and fell in love with the maps within us.
As I flipped from image to image, the new discoveries
were endless. Each system had a new shape, designed and
presumable function. Later I would learn through the words that yes,
the functions are complicated and pull resources from many other shapes,
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maybe even once to unsea. That realization blew my mind
wide open.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Science.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Later I attended Towson University, where I wanted to study biology.
After struggling in chemistry. Later diagnosed with ADHD in a
form of dyslexia. I knew something was not working and
changed my major to sociology and criminal justice. This ended
up being a perfect fit for me, but I have
not used my degree in a formal way. Today. I
work as a massage therapist who is focusing on lymphatic
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work and supporting clients who have chronic conditions and or
a history of cancer. One of my greatest strengths is
being able to help people sort through medical jargon, and
I thank you when I learn a new term or
condition that could help me with this puzzle.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Oh that's awesome. I'm glad you really like anatomy and
really love anatomy, and I think what you're doing is
really cool, especially for people that have to get lymphatic
work done due to having surgeries that remove lymphodes and
they have to get certain massages so there's not a
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fluid accumulations in some of the limbs and stuff like that.
I think that whole process could be very overwhelming for
people to have to go through. And it's nice when
you have somebody that's not only helping you but explaining
it to you, because trust me, sometimes you go to doctors.
I remember when I went to my grandmom's oncology appointment
with her when she had gallbladder cancer, and I was
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listening to him talk to her and my mom and
I'm just like, what, like, what are you saying right now?
They don't understand a word that you're saying right now,
and you're just overwhelming them. Sometimes when a person hears
they have cancer, they kind of like blur everything else
out and they can't hear it, which is not good
because they need to know what's happening with their treatment
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and stuff. So that's cool that you could be that
person for them.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
All right, guys, we hope you're enjoying your last week
of the year.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
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Speaker 2 (35:25):
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in anatomy and pathology education. I am not a doctor
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Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about Pete Davidson's baby mama, Elsie Hewitt,
who had an unusual procedure right after giving birth, a
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shocking video that went viral last week showing a Georgetown
coach not being able to control his emotions and injuring
a child in the process, a medical examiner who admitted
to making a mistake by putting an innocent man in jail,
a wedding guest that bit off the finger of another
wedding guest, and a dead body that was smuggled onto
a flight. We'll finish off the episode with your comments, questions,
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and more. Let's get started with Elsie Hewitt.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Okay, Pete Davidson and Eli's see Hewitt had their baby
a couple of weeks ago, and a day after giving birth,
she had to undergo, in my opinion, one of the
worst procedures ever, which was getting her wisdom teeth removed.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
So I don't know. She's a twenty nine year old girl,
and what happened was that she probably never got her
wisdom teeth removed. Like, how old were you when you
got your son?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Eighteen?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, Like I feel like I was around that age too.
I feel like a lot of There's actually a kid
in Lilian's class that got hers removed already in seventh grade,
which I thought was crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
God, it was so terrible.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I actually have a really funny picture of you we
could post in the grocer room. I think you got
it done. You have like tool coming out of your
mouth anyway, So she probably just never got them removed
because some people like they grow in and they don't
really bother people or whatever. But when she got pregnant,
you have all of these hormonal changes. Anyone that's ever
been pregnant knows that your gums get really swollen. It's
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just because of the fluctuation and an increase in pregnancy hormones,
and it makes them more inflamed, which can make them
more prone to infection. Also, when you're pregnant, you're considered immunocompromise,
so if you do get an infection, your body doesn't
fight it as well. And it could have been just
like a combination of all that. They could have saw
something brewing prior to her giving birth. But you know,
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if you're taking out someone's wisdom teeth, you have to
put them under anesthesia and stuff sometimes, so they don't
want to do something like that, especially when you're getting
ready to give birth to a baby. So maybe they
just like kept an eye on it. And then after
she had the baby, they were like, you need to
take care of this because, as we know from other cases,
like dental infections could really cause serious complications in your
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whole entire body. So she definitely had to go take
care of it. It just is so weird how it
went down, because think about giving birth to a child.
The last thing, especially your first kid, the last thing
you want to do is be like, oh, I have
to go get wisdom teeth surgery. Right after that, it's
like a bam bam and listen, like if you thought
get your wisdom teeth was bad, like wait till you
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have a baby.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
No, I know that, and like, I know, I haven't
given birth yet, so I have no idea what it
feels like, and I'm sure it's the worst thing ever,
but like I don't think people understand that haven't had
their wisdom teeth out how painful it is. And then
on top of that, you know, like diggy me percosets
or whatever. Like, I just don't understand how people do
them recreationally. I've never thrown up so bad in my
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entire life. I just can't fathom the experience of giving
birth and then within twenty four hours having to go
through that whole other, separate set of pain.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, I mean that sucks for her for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
No, totally.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
And you know what's interesting is like I heard somebody
on a podcast a couple of weeks ago talking about
how they never had cavities their entire life, and then
when they just had their first kid, they had a
couple cavities, which they were surprised by because this girl
was saying she was like really crazy about her mental health.
And well, one of the pregnancy apps I use or
whatever too, it just it gives you like daily tips,
and one of them was just like, is your tooth
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feeling loose? Make sure you're on top of your teeth
and everything, because your hormones could not make your teeth
fall out, but like it could just really damage your
teeth and you could just have really bad dental health
during this timeframe, which is just kind of crazy to
think about.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Well, sucks for her. But it's not. I mean, it's
not terrible. It's just like a suck thing, like she'll
be fine.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, and it's cute too. I want to note that
they named the baby after his dad, who died.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
In nine to eleven.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Oh, that is cute. All right, let's talk dude.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
This guy is such a douchebag.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Seriously.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
This Georgetown coach okay, so, Georgetown University basketball coach Ed
Cooley apparently threw a water bottle in a fit of
rage and then struck a baby in the head, which
then gave the child a concussion. Yeah, it's allegedly a concussion,
because none of the news stories say that it was
a concussion, but a lot of the online and certainly
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when you watch this guy throw a water bottle like
that and think about my kid, it's I don't know
what kind of water bottle it was. If it was
like a Stanley, that thing is like like you can
involved flying through the air at a high rate of speed.
But regardless, like even if it's plastic and it's filled
with water, just throwing it as hard as you can
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across it to hit a child. It just you're like
I'm looking at that and I'm like whoa, Like what
is going on there? And he's all like, oh, I
just want to apologize and I'm going to make it right.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
And it's just like, nah, dude, you're beyond that. Like,
if that kid seriously did get a concussion, that's you know,
that's kind of like a get out of.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Gel free card.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You only get a chance to get one of them
before you start getting a lot, and then you could
increase your risk of having serious brain damage later in life.
Like you're not throwing something at my kid, because you're
throwing a temper tantrum and getting a way with that shit.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
No, totally unacceptable because apparently it was over like that
his team was about to be able to tie the
game to go into overtime and they missed an important
shot and that's when he threw it right. So they're
saying he apologized and he got suspended for one game.
But these reports on x are saying that this kid
has a concussion, so of course we have to say
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allegedly and they're not confirmed in the news reports, but
this is what's going around on social media. And they're
also saying that family is planning on suing him and
the university as well. So you just have to think
about that because I don't know. This just happened, so
there's not a lot.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
No, this is if I absolutely would be throwing a freakin'
fit right now, if I went to a basketball game
and had to deal with a hospital VIDT visit and
a traumatic brain injury in my child because of a
coach throwing a bottle at my child because they can't
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control their emotions. And it's like that dude has like
issues big time, Like to me, I'm like if you
and and he's just like I almost felt like he
was kind of like making excuses for it, just like, oh,
that was really out of character for me. And I'm
gonna talk to them and apologize. And it's just like, nah, dude, no.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
But aren't you supposed to be setting an example for
your team, you know, like in not acting like that.
Would it be acceptable one of the players did that
in a fit of rage?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
No, So why is the coach allowed to do it?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Or like as just a man and a human and
a husband and a father or whatever he's got got
going on, Like, you just don't act like that as
a grown up.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Like total side note though, when I read his last name,
I immediately got no life without wife stuck in my head
from the Bollywood version of Pride and Prejudice called Bride
and Prejudice.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Because the guy's name was mister Cooley. Remember, Oh yeah,
I know. I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I feel like when I was a kid, like my
parents used to instead of saying but, they used to
say Coolly.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, like this movie. There's like Bollywood movie was so
big in our house growing up. I don't know why,
but anybody that's watched the Tradition or read the traditional
Pride and Prejudice, it's the character that's mister Collins, but
in the Bollywood version, his name's mister Cooley. And there's
like the most amazing songs in this movie. But I
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just like, the whole time I'm writing this up, I
just kept singing that song in my head and now
it's gonna be stuck.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
In my head for Like. I showed Gabe that movie
and he was just like, what the hell is this?
It's kind of but he you know the part where
the girl does the cobra dance. Gabe always does that
to me, like it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I love that movie. I might watch it this week
because I just need to see it so good.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
It's so over the top, but it's so good, all right,
So this next one's like really best up.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
So over twenty years ago, a man had been put
on trial after a medical examiner determined his nineteen month
old son had died as a result of being violently shaken.
And now that medical examiner is admitting he made a
mistake and thinks the father might be innocent.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, this is this is like a really crazy case,
but it's really important to talk about. And I really
respect this medical examiner for coming forward and saying the
science that we knew back then has changed a little bit.
I didn't have the proper information. I made the wrong diagnosis,
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and because of that, I believe this guy is in jail,
and he shouldn't be in jail because I don't think
that he intentionally tried to hurt his child, and that
I mean, honestly, like that takes a lot of balls
to do something like that, because people people don't remember
that that medical examiners and stuff are humans, and you
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know they're they're all overworked for sure, and just have
so much caseload. And then on top of that, it's
just like science changes. You only could go on the
facts that you were given, police reports.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
And things like that.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
So I think, I mean, I think it takes a
lot of courage for this guy to come out and
try to help this guy get out of jail now
because he easily and listen, I'm sure that this has happened,
that people have decided and determined that they may have
put someone in prison accidentally or unintentionally, but they don't
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want to stir up drama like this and they just
keep their mouths shut about it. I mean, really like,
it takes a lot of courage for this guy to
stand up. So let's talk about what happened a little
bit because it kind of, in my opinion, wasn't one
hundred percent his fault. So this this mom had, so
a mom and dad, their husband and wife. They have
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a baby, and she goes into labor prematurely, and the
baby's born and is only three pounds twelve ounces. Spends
days in the neonatal ICU with johndice, anemia and other conditions.
So they go home with the baby. They're finally released
from the hospital. They go home with this premature baby,
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and five weeks later, the mom runs to the store
and leaves the dad at home with the kid, and
when she comes back, the baby is fussy, vomiting, not breathing,
and they go to the emergency room, and the emergency
room doctor thinks that the baby is having some signs
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of child abuse because they say that this is a
five week old child and it looks very small, underfed,
there's bruises. We think this child's being abused. So they
call in this special pediatrician who specializes in childhood abuse,
like coming in and being like, is this child abuse?
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That's their specialty. And this person comes in and says
that these certain there's this tree out of symptoms that
were seen. And this was back then when this was diagnosed.
Brain swelling, bleeding into the brain, and bleeding behind the eye.
If you saw those three things, you were automatically like,
this kid was deliberately shaken shaken baby syndrome. Since then,
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and this has been a long time, so since then,
there's been all this research that's been done that's like, Okay,
those are definitely signs that you see in a child
with shaken baby syndrome, but not always. It's not always
the case so you can see it sometimes in natural disease.
While this medical examiner does the autopsy on this baby,
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and he's basically sees the brain swellings, sees the brain bleeding,
sees the bleeding behind the eyes, and agrees that these
are findings that are seen in a child who was
deliberately shaken. This is coroborated with the hospital pediatrician who
said that she also believes that the child was abused. Now,
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this wife, who is now in her sixty is still
married to this guy who got accused of this and
still believes in him and still fighting for him, and
he's also denied it. This entire time. This baby went
on to live to be nineteen months old, taken out
of the custody of both of his parents. His dad
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was in jail, and the mother lost custody because she
was an accomplice and died. She didn't even have controlled
They wanted to take this kid off life support at
nineteen months old, and she wasn't even in control of
deciding if the plug got pulled on her own kid. Okay,
this is horrible that this family went through this. So
now someone comes up to this medical examiner years later
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and says, hey, can you re examine this case? And
he finds out for the first time that this baby
was born prematurely. He didn't even know that. They didn't
even tell him that.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Why wasn't that included?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So, yeah, if you see a five week old baby
that is underweight and and does and like doesn't like
he thought that this was a term baby that had
that was healthy. This was not a healthy baby. In fact,
they have documentation that her pregnancy wasn't healthy. The baby
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was born premature and was not healthy. This was not
a healthy baby they were looking at. Well, that changes
things a lot. He didn't know any of that, so like,
we can't really beat him up for that because he
didn't know that and that could have changed his decision.
On top of the science just being different that hard
and fast. Every time you see those three things, it
means child abuse. It can't be anything else.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
And I don't really understand why the mom got charged
as well, because she wasn't even home at the time
this happened.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Well, there were bruises on the baby, but then that
has to do with like, there's just so many different
things because the dad was like, no, I was just
trying to resuscitate the bab I was trying to help
the baby and like it. But the baby like appeared
like it was and't fed. Right, Because let's say you
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give birth and I don't even know which gestation she
was when she gave birth. Let's say she gives birth
a thirty four weeks right, I mean the baby's three pounds,
she went early whatever it was. A baby that was
born five weeks ago at three pounds is definitely not
going to be the same at five weeks old as
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a baby that was born at eight or nine pounds.
They're going to be undernourished. And they because they're still
technically like a fetus.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
They they're like.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
If that baby was born at thirty four weeks by
the time this kid went to the hospital, that's like
the baby's do date. You understand what I'm saying? Like that,
it's like a living fetus still, right, So of course
it's going to be small and underweight and just have
complications that a term baby might not have. So I
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personally think the big jerk in this situation is the
doctor who called this the hospital because she withheld or
didn't even bother to look up information I don't know
if it was intentional withholding or just negligent withholding, but regardless,
she didn't get the full picture, even a little bit
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of like this baby kind of was not healthy to
begin with. So now this guy still in jail. Still
the wife is still like, I mean, think about this.
This is just so terrible. She said, this happened when
they were in their thirties. They're in their sixties now,
I mean, like, think about the process. So of course
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the guy first gets charged with child abuse, and then
when the kid ended up dying, then it's like, okay,
this is homicide now, so the guy gets even more trouble.
So he's still in jail. He's been in jail his
entire adult life. His whole entire family has fallen apart.
And like, listen, if this happened like this, this was
going to happen anyway, Like this baby was going to
(16:58):
die from this because of whatever underlying health condition they
had as a result of the prematurity and everything like that.
But still, like the way, like imagine having a five
week old baby that you just carried all the way
to term and then it's five weeks old. Then you
run to the store to get formula for the kid,
and you come home to this and like they take
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your kid away from you, and you can't even be
with the kid as it's dying for for a whole
entire year, like almost two years after that or a
year and a half after that. Like it's just so
terrible on so many levels. And like even if and
I'm so glad that this guy finally came forward, but
but like even if this guy ends up getting out
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of jail and stuff, that they could be together and
that'll be fine, but like, this guy's also done hard
time for killing his baby in jail for thirty years,
so that must have been pure hell for him. And
and like she's been like cause I was actually thinking
that because I'm like if someone came up to me
and and like I just came home and someone was like, oh,
(18:00):
your your husband was beating your kid, I would be
one hundred percent like, no, he did not. I would
one hundred percent be like he didn't. I would I
just I would fight for it because I would know
that it just wouldn't happen.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
You know what I mean, fighting for it the whole time.
Like she's a convicted felon too, I don't think she
ever went to jail, and says she took this thing
called an Alfred plea, which allowed her to maintain her
innocence but stay out of jail. And then and they
told her that she would be able to get she
had some visitation, like she was allowed to see the
kid every two weeks or once a month for an hour,
(18:33):
with like a visit, like a supervised visit.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
God, it's just so horrible it is, and like and
then the worst part of this is that this probably
happens more often than you think, oh, one hundred percent,
and the word like it just keeps getting even worse too,
because it's like they reevaluate this case. They decide that
he did not kill this kid. So this medical exameter
writes in Affidavid last in September of twenty twenty four,
(19:01):
recanting his homicide finding and determining that the baby had
died from a natural death. And then they're saying over
this time that both the trial court and Tennessee Court
of Criminal Appeals have declined to vacate his conviction. Like
don't you think that a key witness coming forward and saying,
I my testimony was incorrect yeah, yeah, expert witness backing
(19:24):
it up. Yeah, the expert witness for the prosecution at that. Yes,
I mean, And the and the thing that sucks for
this medical examiner is I'm sure he's in retirement or
near retirement, depending on what age he was when this happened.
But but like he and all the medical examiners out there,
like he didn't even know that this was going on,
(19:46):
you know what I mean, Like thank god someone came
to him and was like, hey, can you just like
relook at this case?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
And he was like, holy shit, like I.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Didn't know that there was anything wrong with this kid.
Like it's terrible, and you're just like like, I mean,
you do depend on the medical history that you're given, though,
like you, what are you gonna say they're making it
up from the hospital, Like no, he didn't know. Yeah,
it's so terrible, and I really hope that they're able
to get the guy out, but what the appeals and this,
(20:15):
and that it's gonna be another ten years he'll get
out and maybe be able to live with his life
a couple of years before he dies.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
It's just so terrible.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
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Speaker 1 (20:33):
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Head over to the Grosserroom dot com now to sign up. Okay, So,
a thirty three year old man has been setting stuff
five years in prison after acting erratically at his best
friend's wedding and biting the best friend's uncle's finger off.
So it seems like what happened was he was drinking
since the morning, which I don't think is uncommon with weddings.
(21:16):
But then at some point during the day he got
to fight with his girlfriend to the point where he
got kicked out of the wedding. Everyone said he was
acting like a wild animal. He tried to come back in.
That's when the uncle stepped in, and then while they
were fighting, the guy then bit his finger to the
point where it had to be amputated.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
He actually bit it so hard that he bit the
fingertip off and the other finger next to it was broke.
I think that people like adults that bite people unless
you're like into that kinky stuff or or you're getting
like you're seriously like walking down an alley and someone
attacks you and has their arm around you and you
(21:56):
need to get them off of you. If you're an
adult that bites people, like in a fight like that,
that's so weird. It's weird to me. I'm like, this
guy's like mental or something. I mean, I know he
was drunk, but plenty of drunk people don't do that.
And to bite someone to the point, I mean like
you're gonna bite a guy's finger, like you know you're
eventually going to bite it off, I mean, that's just
(22:18):
so disturbing.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Like he used his mouth as a weapon.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well, I was just gonna say, my favorite quote from
this article is he used his mouth as a highly
dangerous weapon to maim the uncle's fingers.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
So when we're talking about I mean, if you get
your fingers cut off by a knife or anything like that,
it's it's also just obviously there's a lot of different
things that go, especially with your hand because you use
them so much and they're so delicate and there's so
many tendons and ligaments, and I mean, you could just
cut the wrong thing and have a problem moving fingers
the rest of your life. And it's not just as
(22:51):
simple as a cosmetic thing. It's also you know, you
use your hands as tools thing. But just like human
bites in general are just so dirty because there's just
all that additional bacteria in your mouth that that like
can get into these open wounds that you're making with
your sharp teeth, which, by the way, we're omnivores. Our
(23:12):
teeth are designed to cut through meat, some of our
teeth and they will with a strong enough bite, You're
really gonna like push any bacteria that's in the gross
mouth that's also on the skin. Like you're gonna put
deep puncture wounds into this person and potentially cause them
to have not just with the acute of the fingertip
(23:34):
getting amputated, but also a long or term thing with
a deeply seated infection. So it's just like it's just
like on a whole other level of trash and you're
just you're reading this story, I can't even keep track
like fight with the ex girlfriend, grow best friend's uncles.
This like.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Just crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
No, it's absolutely ridiculous. And then to add to add all,
they said he also threatened to bite off the police
officer's nose while he was getting arrested.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
So he does this like nobody stopped him when he
was five years old from not doing that anymore. And
this is where it led us. Oh yeah, this can't
it can't be like this guy lived his whole life
and then all of a sudden, twice in one night,
he's or did he just realize that he could hurt
somebody with his seat? So now he's like like threatening
(24:27):
people with it. It's so weird.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Okay, So a family is accused of wheeling a dead
elderly woman onto a flight from Spain, and when they
were questioned, they just told the crew that she was tired.
There is there.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I haven't really done a deep dive to see if
there's video of this.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Wait, but didn't you just say, like I kind of
understand this if she hear me out.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
No, I thought the same exact thing, and I know
what you're about to say about gohead.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
If she died in the airport, right, did people understand
how expensive it is to ship a B versus.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
And the process and the paperwork and everything. I one
hundred percent thought the same thing. I was like, these
people are smart. They should have put sunglasses on her,
like we can at Bernie's Bernie style, and like just
propped her up and just kept their mouth shut the
whole time.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
So they were questioned a lot by the gate up
by the person working at the gate, and they just said,
oh no, she's tired, just like Levera Lone, She's tired.
So then they get on the plane and obviously look
suspicious and they're like, oh no, she's just tired. So
they go to the back of the plane and five
relatives are lifting this eighty nine year old woman into
a chair and people are just like, something's not right.
(25:37):
And then finally one of the people working on the
plane just went over and was like, she is not alive.
Like they were about to take off and they had
to turn the plane around.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
And then this would piss me off.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
However, as another person on this plate, it got delayed
for twelve hours.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, and then they said they gave them like vouchers
to get like some food or something but all.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Five dollars gas coupon.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, exactly. They gave the here's another horrible vulture story.
They gave them a vouchuer to go get food or
something in the airport, and then all of the restaurants
and stuff weren't accepting the vouchers.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
But but listen, like we I think you wrote an
article about this. In the grosser room. We've talked about
this several times, Like, you can't ship.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
A body that's not bombed.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
It's just like it would be such a process. Like
imagine being on vacation and this old person you're with dies, Like,
I don't know, I might try to pull that off too, honestly,
because then it's.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Like we got to go to the funeral home.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
We got to pay all this money to get them bombed,
and we got to get them shipped, or we got
to get international situations, you got to cross border and yeah,
like it wouldn't like they were saying in this article,
it would cost anywhere between thirty five hundred and five
thousand pounds, which let me look this up real quick.
(26:55):
You could talk while look this up.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Well, yeah, and like I I I could see where
their mind was at like they're from the UK, they're
in Spain. The flight is probably just an hour or
two right between them, so they're probably just like, oh man,
if we could just get her on this plane, we're
gonna save so much money. But like people know, when
somebody's dead, it looks quite obvious.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
With somebody, So it's like that.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
It's like they're saying it would be anywhere from like
forty five hundred to like seven thousand dollars. That's so
much money when you could just do it for free.
Just like everyone turn your head, let this dead person
sit on the flight for a couple hours and and
mind your business like it's not hurting anyone. And because
it was an international like crossing borders and stuff, they
(27:41):
said in that particular situation that the that the that
the family member would have had to go on a
cargo flight, like a totally different flight and everything like
it just we just know from a lot of different
other stories we covered of what it like, it's kind
of a pain in the ass to do, and you
do it if you have to do it. But like
this this family, I don't know, like they they almost
(28:04):
I mean they had a boarding pass and actively got
on the plane and it was in and every single
person that was on the plane was interviewed and was
like it was obvious that she was dead, which I
I just would love to see like a picture of
what this actually looks like.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I feel like she had to have died at the
airport because I can't see a world in which they
would let a sleeping quote unquote sleeping person go through security.
So like, is it possible they got to the airport
and she just happened to die, which I'm sure they're like,
you couldn't have just waited till we were on the plane,
Like to my hour.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Now, I think that you know, when you die, you lose,
especially in certain six situations, you really lose your color.
And that's why people were like, she's dead. And also
if you're going on an airplane, can you you can't
really fit a wheelchair up the aisle of an airplane, right, Like, no,
(28:56):
they have to have something, right because I think they
have sped like thinner ones that can yeah, true, I
mean to I mean, I don't know. In that situation,
it just was funny because one of the people on
the plane were like, why is it okay that you
you don't let people drink on an airplane, but you're
gonna let a dead person on an airplane.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Like, yeah, no drunk people, but you can let yeah
as dead lady. All right, on your questions and emails. First,
when a person does, does their stomach acid keep dissolving food?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
So that's a good question. So you your your stomach
makes acid, in particular hydrochloric acid, which so when you die,
that acid could still be sitting in there, but you're
not going to continue to digest in the way that
you would think that you would digest, like, because there's
a lot of different things that go along with digestion.
(29:51):
Besides a stomach acid. In the stomach, you have the gallbladder.
It's squirting out bile, which is no longer going to
happen one once it gets through, it's not even going
to get through.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
It's not going to push it.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Through because peristalsis or that's like the action of the
bowels actually moving the food through the GI track.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
That's done.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
So, yes, if you eat and there's hydrochloric acid in there, yes,
that acid could technically still be breaking down the food,
but it's not going to be moving through the GI track,
and in fact, sometimes that acid could actually be so
strong that it starts to autoize or digest the lining
(30:34):
of the stomach as it's sitting in there.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Okay, Heather, Hello ladies, this is in regards to the
Chipotle story you just told on twelve seventeen, not Chipolte
or whatever you said.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I don't even know what I said, Chipolte. Is that
what I said? Chipolte? What's listen? As my father would say,
what's the difference?
Speaker 3 (30:57):
You know what I meant?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Right?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
What's the difference?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
You guys were wondering who were where you would turn
in the contaminated food to My sister and mom got
severe food poisoning from Carl's Junior and both were hospitalized
for it. The health department had asked if they still
had the food so they could test and research it.
Unfortunately they did not, because who would think to keep
that when finishing eating. Also, the department said the food
should have been kept refrigerated to avoid contamination or bacteria multiplication.
(31:25):
Long story short, you would turn it into the health department.
This happened in California, so don't know if this applies
to other states or countries. Love you guys and the
pod congrats on the pregnancy, while wishes to you and
the baby. PS. My mom and sister are fine. They
believe it was eco Lie.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Thank you, thanks for sharing, and thank you for your
nice words. Yeah, that does make sense. Actually, So we're
putting out a public service announcement that if you eat
something and you think you get really sick from it,
make sure you put it in your refrigerator. But I
see what you're saying, Like if I order Mexican food
tonight and I eat it and then like usually if
(32:02):
there's not that much leftover, you just throw out the rest.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
What do you like?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
You know what I mean? Like most people don't put
their food in the fridge unless you have leftover, So, but.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Maybe food poisoning doesn't present for like twelve to twenty
four hours. So like it's kind of hard to pinpoint
sometimes what got you sick.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, it is sometimes unless a lot of times though
it's like as easy as like a bunch of people
ate the same thing and then it's very easy to
determine like what it was. But yeah, like if you
have leftover, so you could get those tested and stuff.
But I guess, and that makes sense, for bacterial infections
and things like that. Especially this is how they find
(32:40):
out about Like remember there was a hepatitis outbreak at
our favorite restaurant, Chee Cheese.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Oh my god, you know, stuff like that. So I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I'm just thinking though, like I guess, I guess you
would if you if you had a sandwich or a
bowl of and there was a rat in it, you
would call the health department and put it aside and
call them and just be like, I have this thing
in my refrigerator that I just got from there. So yeah,
that makes sense, all right.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Last min it's from Ray. When I was fourteen years old,
I started looking at my mother's nursing textbooks and anatomy
atlases and fell in love with the maps within us.
As I flipped from image to image, the new discoveries
were endless. Each system had a new shape, designed and
presumable function. Later I would learn through the words that yes,
the functions are complicated and pull resources from many other shapes,
(33:35):
maybe even once to unsea. That realization blew my mind
wide open.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Science.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Later I attended Towson University, where I wanted to study biology.
After struggling in chemistry. Later diagnosed with ADHD in a
form of dyslexia. I knew something was not working and
changed my major to sociology and criminal justice. This ended
up being a perfect fit for me, but I have
not used my degree in a formal way. Today. I
work as a massage therapist who is focusing on lymphatic
(34:00):
work and supporting clients who have chronic conditions and or
a history of cancer. One of my greatest strengths is
being able to help people sort through medical jargon, and
I thank you when I learn a new term or
condition that could help me with this puzzle.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Oh that's awesome. I'm glad you really like anatomy and
really love anatomy, and I think what you're doing is
really cool, especially for people that have to get lymphatic
work done due to having surgeries that remove lymphodes and
they have to get certain massages so there's not a
(34:34):
fluid accumulations in some of the limbs and stuff like that.
I think that whole process could be very overwhelming for
people to have to go through. And it's nice when
you have somebody that's not only helping you but explaining
it to you, because trust me, sometimes you go to doctors.
I remember when I went to my grandmom's oncology appointment
with her when she had gallbladder cancer, and I was
(34:56):
listening to him talk to her and my mom and
I'm just like, what, like, what are you saying right now?
They don't understand a word that you're saying right now,
and you're just overwhelming them. Sometimes when a person hears
they have cancer, they kind of like blur everything else
out and they can't hear it, which is not good
because they need to know what's happening with their treatment
(35:16):
and stuff. So that's cool that you could be that
person for them.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
All right, guys, we hope you're enjoying your last week
of the year.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
We will be back with more normal.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
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Speaker 1 (35:40):
Happy New Year, guys, Thank you for listening to Mother
Knows Death. As a reminder, my training is as a
pathologist's assistant I have a master's level education and specialize
in anatomy and pathology education. I am not a doctor
and I have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or
(36:03):
alive without the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show,
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and inform people based on my experience working in pathology,
so they can make healthier decisions regarding their life and
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