January 8, 2026 • 46 mins
Kyle is joined by comedian, podcaster, and NYT bestselling author Drew Afualo aka the internet’s “Queen of the Roasts” and the reason certain men fear the For You Page to talk core memories, career chaos, and what it’s like making a living in the world’s loudest comment section. The two dive into Drew’s TikTok origin story, how she turned hate comments into a full-blown empire, and what she’s learned hosting The Comment Section. Plus, don’t miss Deep Divin’, Kyle’s custom game for Drew where they read real comments from their socials and have to guess whose they are: Kyle’s wholesome internet or Drew’s beautiful chaos.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What are we even do? What are we even doing?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hi, you found my YouTube channel. What the heck? It's
Kyle McLachlin. Come on, subscribe, Smash the button, hit it,
punch it, let's go. Hey, hi everybody, I'm Kyle, your
host for What are we even doing? This is a
this is our podcast where we get We sit down
with creatives basically actors, musician, podcast host writers, anyone who's
doing cool stuff as is my next guest, and we
(00:30):
get weird together in a good way, just have really
nice conversation. So, without further ado, today we have a podcaster, comedian, author, actress,
let's say, hey, hopeful actress crusader for women, which I loved.
Drew off Wallow, It's so nice to have you here.
Welcome to my little podcast. I've been on your podcast.
(00:51):
Thank you for having me as a guest.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
He God, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
A lot of people were very shocked to see you
with me. They were like, wow, this is how I
know you've made it.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I certainly know having you here is make me feel
that way.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
So that's the main thing.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Period love that for us.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
It's so cool to have you here.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Thank you, Thank you so much for having me. It's
excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
This is this is very cool. So you you tell
me about the journey, because I know a little bit
about your story starting out working with the NFL and
some of the other things. But when did you know
that this kind of genre was something that was appealing
to you, Like, I need to tell my story, I
need to be out speaking, I need to Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well, I think I fell into the content creation thing accidentally,
mostly because I'm gonna know it all and I think
I'm funny, so like I think that's more than enough
reason for.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Me to be posting content.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, I mean, anyone's.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Validation, but my own. I was like, I'm hilarious. I'm
going to say something.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
But I think I fell into the like misogyny specific pipeline,
like accidentally because I made a few videos talking about
like my own misfortunes while dating, like funny stories, because
I love to tell story.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I love to yap you.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Know, yes, yes, I love about you the most.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I do love to chatter.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
So I was just telling stories at first, and then
I made one video specifically that went viral, which was
like a prompt from someone like someone was like, what
are some very specific red flags and men right that
you have? And so I did like a whole list
on my notesap, just like silly shit. Yeah yeah, And
then I did that and that was my very first
video to go super viral.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
And then from that you struck a nerve.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yes, obviously I struck record with many people like people
who hate men, people who love them, like people who
are them, everyone.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
And everyone had an opinion.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yes, I sprayed the crowd hit it few, you know,
and so I got like a ton of I guess,
like giggles and like validation.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Like people being like, oh my god, that's so true,
that's so funny.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
And then I got a whole bunch of hate too,
which I because I just turned thirty, so I've I've
been like a voyeur on the internet mostly like I've
never really thought about making content seriously at all. Like
it was more so things I just used in passing.
So I had never received like that kind of amount
of hate from like a random thing I did on nine.
So I thought it was fun because I was like, well,
(03:06):
I mean, if we're making fun of each other's looks less, yeah,
so that's one thing I'm really good at I would say,
it's making fun of people's looks who are awful. And
so I just started like turning out videos responding to
comments and people specifically, and that's what kind of shoved
me on this path. Hey, I have a guy I'd
(03:27):
like to get a fuck up. Or I have this guy,
this guy said this awful thing. You should say something
about him. Okay, so they just started kind.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Of bringing you or sharing with their experiences yet.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Taking me in videos.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
That was kind of like the start of my snowball
that is now my empire.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
That is an interesting way in I have always, I mean,
I create. It's mostly just sort of fun, have a laugh, entertaining,
not a big thing. And I've always I've never really occasionally,
you know, you get some comments or whatever that like,
and I think I think maybe just because I'm I,
(04:03):
I don't want to engage. Yeah, I mean I really,
I just say, you know what I've just I've decided
not to engage because it's because that's not the intention
of what we're doing.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
But I understand why when you.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Get this backlash as you did, that it would spark
something in you, right, And I'm wondering that reaction comes from.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I think what it comes from more so for me,
is like I don't handle disrespect in a way that's
like kind, Like I guess this is the way I'm
when I'm disrespected, I'm I'm, I am.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I bristle and react immediately. That's how I've always been.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, and I've always been like my older sister, her
and I are two years of part in age, but
we're a year apart in grade, so we were in
school together a lot growing up. And my sister is
the complete opposite of me in many ways. So she's
very reserved, very quiet, like very sweet, trusting like things
like that.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I'm we're like opposites of each other in that.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Okay, so my sister was bullied a lot growing up,
so like when I started going to school with my sister,
I just really don't like bullies, Like that's my main thing.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I really don't like people picking on the vult advantage.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Right, so that's how I grew up. I grew up
protecting people like that. I think protective nature is something
that's very like obvious about me. I think now now
that people have seen me for a while, I'm very protective.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So that in your family was like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, totally. I mean, my dad is.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's funny because physically speaking, my mom and dad are
very opposite. So my dad is six six, my mom
is like five three, and my mom is just like
me and personality like all fire, no breaks, like real protective.
My dad's just like my sister gentle patient.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Wait wait your dad, but your dad played for the NFL.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah, so it's ironic, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Because I do think of this.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I mean, I know we're kind of going all over
the place, but I think I think you you know,
you you see.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
The the players.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
In the NFL, and I love football. I watched football
and I and I really I love. I love linebackers
and I love that. But linemen are always to me
the most intriguing, right because they're right in the trenches.
I don't know what position your.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Father plays, he's a lineman, he's left guard.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Left guard.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Okay, defensive offensive, defensive offensive offensive, okay, okay, okay, that's yeah,
so you have to protect. But I always thinking these
guys because when you my experience, I meet him, they're
the just gentle.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
The sweetest.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, giants, very alignement, especially esctually o Linemen.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yes, yeah, but they access something that is primal, you
know what I mean, and then and they and they
access it for a short period of time. Yeah, it
seems like and then and then they're out of it. Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I think that was my dad's thing for the NFL,
to be honest, I think it was like my dad
really looked at it like a job. I think a
lot of people don't look at an opportunity like that
as a job, but my dad, my dad went to
the NFL when he was twenty eight, so that's like one.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Hundred in NFL years.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, and also had two children already, so you already
had me my sister, So it really was a job
to my dad. So I think that's why my dad
was able to kind of detach from the like inherent
violent nature of football. It is very violent sports, so
like it was opportunistic more than anything, which I still
find like so shockingly it's an.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
In choice to make it twenty eight years right, Well,
i think I'm gonna go play football, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Like my parents had us very young, so my mom
always jokes that they had they did everything backwards, Like
my parents had kids first and then moved in together
and then got.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Married like so, so they did.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
All this stuff backwards, but I think it all worked
out for the best.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I think starting with passion and children is a great
way to start to be honest.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
And my mom was also like very opposed to getting
married just because they had children. Like my mom was like,
if we're gonna get married, and want to get married
because you really want to be married to me, not
because we have children together. So my mom was ort, Yeah,
it's it's not shocking at all when you see what
I do now you look back at my childhood and
like how I was raised and the environment I was
raised in, Like someone culture as a whole, because both
(08:00):
my parents or someone is very matriarchal and it's very genesis.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Like women are held in very high regard in my culture.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And have been even still are even after having been colonized,
like in religion kind of working its way in there perversely,
Like it's still a very matriarchal culture. So like we
take women very seriously, in their words, very seriously. It's
always been very normal to me for women to be
empowered and strong and to fight back, like to push back,
(08:30):
like there I am not the only someone woman with
a big mouth.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
On her like at all, right exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I come from a lineage of women like that, like
my mom included, so my sister too. So I think
that's all of it kind of makes sense. I think
that the pieces kind of make sense as to why
I fell into this specifically. But I think more than anything,
I just really don't like beliefs and so like when
men are really really disrespectful to women, I get excited
because it's it feels like open game at that point
(09:00):
to start throwing insults.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Left, I got.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
A ton of them, fair game.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
That's how I feel, right, And you know too, like
I feel like, if you're going to be able to
make jokes, you have to be able to take jokes
like you have to. I think truly funny people can
do that well.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I wonder in someone culture because I spent some time
in Australia and I worked with a lot of the
transport guys from Maori. Okay, different culture altogether and very
very connected, you know, family, family, and so I was
very curious about that culture. And it's interesting you bring
up a matriarchal whether it was too or not, these
guys were absolutely not teaching an aura of confidence and strength,
(09:38):
and I've got to say that's obviously in you, and
I'm going to say supported by your family, that is
part of what's happened totally.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I think my parents did a wonderful job fostering my light.
Like I've been very opinionated for a very long time, right,
so I.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Think so they were like, this is this is what
we have. One of those let's.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Harness that understood, because that could be used for evil too.
Let's let's tone it now so it doesn't go out
of control.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I agree, a wonderful job. Influence from from friends, from parents,
from aunts, from uncles is at all everyone sort of
weighs in and sort of helps with the raisings.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Absolutely, and I think.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I think that also kind of lends towards my platform
now too, because I've had a lot of men in
my life, including my obviously my biological father, but like
I have a lot of other men in my life
that have been very positive, shining examples of what it
means to be a man and how how wonderful men
can be. So obviously, once I grew up and went
(10:35):
through puberty and started dating and went went away to college,
and entered this world of dating, and I saw what
men are willing to give women versus what they can
do for women, like what they're capable of. It's not
acceptable in a lot of ways. Like I've seen how
great men can be, and this is not that. So
like I, if anything, it makes even more sense that
I haven't extremely high standard for men because I was
(10:56):
raised by a lot of really wonderful men.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, I love I love, I love hearing because I
think there is there is a responsibility. I mean, I
had an amazing mother, you know what I mean, And
she was all about really about equality, diversity before it
was even the.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Thing, yeah or popular exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Treat everyone the same pretty much golden rule, and that
was it. And I had a dad who was who
worshiped her really, you know, and it was and you know,
when I look back, I see the examples that he
grew up with from his parents, and it was actually
the same thing. They my grandparents on his side, met
in grade school and just stayed together. They were together
(11:35):
for I don't even know how long, how many years,
but it was incredible event. They were each other's soulmates.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
You know. Yeah. Love my parents a high school sweethearts.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Okay, similar thing, and just supported each other, recognized the
value of each other. And this was my dad's experience
growing up, and that's what he witnessed, you know. So absolutely,
between those two, I think we were my brothers and
I all kind of infused with a certain kind of
respect that comes with that, you know. So I'm in
alignment there.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
It's a beautiful thing, I think. And I think that's
a common misconception too. When I get a lot of
criticism from men, especially, They're like.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Well, it's who good, You didn't have good dad's this way?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
You hate men wrong. I've actually I had a wonderful dad,
a dad. He's been in my life for a very
long time. My dad had me twenty years old. Twenty
one years old. Wow, my dad had me very young,
so like my sister was born. My mom had my
sister at eighteen, so like I was born two years later,
So like my parents had me very young. My Dad's
been in my life my entire life, very constant. And
I've been raised by many men who are wonderful and
(12:32):
kind and empathetic and supportive and empowering. And you know,
it was like I joke sometimes that my sister and
I childhood was kind of like if the cast of
friends was brown and then there were two kids there,
Like that's like, that's kind of the vibe because that
my my parents were in their twenties, like they're early
to mid twenties when I was growing up.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, is shocking to think about now.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah, but they seem very mature.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, I mean year old.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
And then.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I think they had no how how wonderful men can be.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So obviously, once I grew up and went through puberty
and started dating and went and went away to college
and entered this world of dating, and I saw what
men are willing to give women versus what they can
do for women, like what they're capable of, it's not
acceptable in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Like I've seen how great men can be, and this
is not that.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
So like I, if anything, it makes even more sense
that I haven't extremely high standard for men because I
was raised by a lot of really wonderful men.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I love I love I love hearing that because I
think there is there is responsibility. I mean, I had
an amazing mother, you know what I mean, And she
was all about really about equality, diversity, before it.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Was even the thing, yeah, or popular exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Treat everyone the same pretty much, golden rule, and that
was it. And and I had a dad who was
who worshiped her really you know, yeah, and it was
and you know, and I look back, I see the
examples that he grew up with from his parents, and
it was actually the same thing. They my grandparents on
his side, met in grade school and just stayed together.
(14:01):
They were together for I don't even know how long,
how many years, but it was incredible and all events,
they were each other's soulmates, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah, I love love that my parents are high school sweets.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Okay, similar thing, and just supported each other, recognized the
value of each other. And this was my dad's experience
growing up, and that's what he.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Witnessed, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
So absolutely between those two, I think we were my brothers.
And I'm all kind of infused with a certain kind
of respect that comes with that, you know, totally, So
I'm in alignment there.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
It's a beautiful thing, I think. And I think that's
a common misconception too. When I get a lot of
criticism from men, especially, They're like.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Well, it's who good you didn't have good dads this
way you hate men wrong.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I've actually I had a wonderful dad, A dadh's been
in my life for a very long time. My dad
had me twenty years old. Twenty one years old. Wow,
my dad had me very young, so like my sister
was born. My mom had my sister at eighteen, so
like I was born two years later. So like my
parents had me very young. My dad's been in my
life my entire life, very constant. And I've been raised
by many men who are wonderful, kind and empathetic and
(15:02):
supportive and empowering. And you know, it was, like I
joke sometimes that my sister and I childhood was kind
of like if the cast of friends was brown and
then there were two kids there, Like that's that's kind
of the vibe because that my my parents were in
their twenties, like they're early to mid twenties when I
was growing up.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, shocking to think about now.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah, but they seemed very mature.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, I mean year olds and then not twenty.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I think they had no choice but to be.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
But the culture, I love the culture.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I think this was trying to get at before, is
that this simone culture yeah, I have a little bit of.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
History with some of the native culture where I'm from.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Where I'm from, nice, there is a teaching or educating
or examples by teasing. Oh yeah, there's humor in the process.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
So it's not scolding.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
It's like there's nothing, there's a razzing. There's another way
in which I think is not what I grew up with,
you know, but I but having learned about it, I'm.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Like, I like that.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, you're so You're so real for that.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Honestly, that's very true, especially in someone culture, like all
Pacifical culture, honestly, like they love to make fun of
each other. Like it's a very it's a love language.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, very love language.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
It's not like you're putting someone, it's not and.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
It's not for insecurities. It's like it's poking fun at someone.
And like, honestly, that's how I got good, because I
do get a lot of questions about how did I
get good at roasting? People are making fun of people,
And I was like, because I was raising the trenches.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Girl, Like that's why I was raised. I was raised
by people who are really good.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I had to get good fast because otherwise I was
gonna be the butt of every joke. And also when
I was younger, like before I got like probably to
like my early preteen years, I used to get very
upset when they would when I would start becoming the
butt of the joke and I could not take a
joke to save my life, Like I would get very
angry enough.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
So I was one of those kids.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And my mom one time would told me like, if
you're gonna make jokes, you have to learn how to
take jokes because if not, no one's gonna want to
joke around with you. And then my mom started introducing
this bit where she would go like, oh, no one
make fun of Drew. She doesn't like it. No one
can make fun of her, so don't do.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
That, And that made what the hell?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, that gave me fomo. I was like, well, no,
I want to be in on the Obviously I would
like to laugh with everyone. Obviously they would, so I
had to get over myself. That's also another thing. It
was like an ego thing for me. So but it's true,
like I can't make fun of someone and not expect
that they're going to do the same back or be
able to bounce back from it. Yeah, so I think
that's another reason why, Like I mean, my skin is
(17:23):
like made out of vibranium, like nothing can penetrate it.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
At this point.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Like my family is meaner in like a rose sense
than anyone on the internet could ever be.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Like that is just a fact.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
But also, like I like to I think that people
who are funny for a living in general, which I
do do for a living now, like you have to
learn how to laugh at yourself, like to some extent,
Like I have been hit with insults that were pretty
good from time to time. I was like, damn, that
one nicked.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Me a little bit, ye a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, and I got to give it up because I
respect the art till I die.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, you know, so like if it's a good one,
it's a good one. There just haven't been many.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
But that's just, like to be quite honest with you,
But that's because men as smart as.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Me their very fault. They cannot play on the same field.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, exactly the top.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
You know, we're not going to challenge that.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I had such a funny experiences of completely going in
a different direction. But when I was started, I was
very young. It was during my first film, So this
is aighty three and I was in Mexico City. We
were shooting Dune and they were coincided with the filming
of Conan, so they were doing the second Conan.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Down there at the same time.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Arnold with Arnold's Arnold and Arnold you know, I mean,
I was going to the gym a lot, and Arnold
was like, you know Arnold, right, yeah, and it's such
a nice guy. I gotta say in your medium. And
he was down training in Mexico City at one of
the hotels that time.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
He probably looked insane.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
It was insane, yeah, and I unders imagine, but I
understood because it's like he had a whole facility set up.
It was all during the Nautilus's craze and the nautilst machines. Yes,
so they had always set up in this in this
giant conference room, and he was training with his training
partner Sven. Now then Fenn was like twice the size
(19:17):
of Arnold, damn. And so they would go in and
he'd do like, you know, ten reps of ten squads
and then but had like the other four plates. Yeah,
he was crazy. And I realized that Arnold had Fenn.
I mean, they were friends as well, but he said,
because Fenn was stronger, Arnold had.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
To you know, he had.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Right what it was. But the other but the other
thing that I loved about it was the fact that
I would watch them kind of because I was in
there kind of cay can I work out.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
I'd be over like, you.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Know, doing my twenty pounds, you know, and and I
watched him and I said, there was no like you know,
oh god, I got and then now I'm doing ten sets.
It was him Arnold lift, no no loud, nothing, just
very quiet. That's kind of like meditative tatus.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
And he'd walk around, he would do his set and
he kind of move and kind and I could see
him working through what next, but it came from the
previous set, and I never forgot. I just thought that
is such a So I've kind of I haven't adopted
that necessarily, but I try to, like go what my
body's saying, what's telling me.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
There are so many men that would kill to have
had that seat that you had, like him and his
prime lifting, just that one like learning from it. Just
watch some men who just came in their pants.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Watching There you go and you know who you are,
you know, and you know who you are, and I
went off, I guess he was thinking about you.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Dad.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
A lot of comments like that on our cutdown together
of our episode where they said the original polytrates.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Like I remember him from Dude.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Dude, God with my crazy hair, My god, oh my god.
This podcast Two Idiot Girls, Yes, I don't know this podcast.
Tell me what this is about hair that.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
It's Like I said earlier, I do have a lot
of yap in me.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
So I do have two podcasts I call like the
comment section I call my show. No, I have too
many things to say, you know me, I called the
comment section of my show because it's more guests driven.
And then Two Idiot Girls is my podcast with my
sister and we basically it. We like to describe it
as like sister cousin sleepover vibes, Like it's just a
completely different energy from the comment section because that's more
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of like a hosting thing, whereas like, obviously I'm a
host of Twoit eight Girls too, but that's where we
get to like talk about like what books we're reading
and like what shows were loving, and tell silly funny
stories and like kind of just be like cousins sleepover vibes, right, you.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Go into the past and talk about stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
And yeah, exactly, and so like we called it two
Idiot Girls. A lot of people are like, why did
you pick that name? And I was like, we've had
this inside joke forever. I don't remember where it came from,
like most of the jokes that we have, but we've
just been referenced as like the girls like forever, like
because we've just been together, doing everything together for our
entire lives. And so like we called ourselves too idiot girls.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Randomly, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. How does
that go to?
Speaker 4 (22:06):
That make you laugh? I'm like, yeah, I understand.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
One time, my agent Alex, who's like one of our
best friends, she also told me, like one time I
was explaining a joke to her that my sister and
I were dying laughing at, and then she goes, your guys,
humor is like confusing. Sometimes I'm like, well, and I
think also me laughing at it makes other It's almost
like I'm pav loving people into laughing.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Too, right, laughing, yeah, laugh, I mean that.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Itself makes people giggle, and so it kind of works out.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, So I just I love that we actually have
that in common.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Yeah, which is really fun.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
We talked a little bit about it when I was
on on your pod, just your curiosity about getting into
the acting thing.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yes, Do you are comfortable talking a little bit about that? Yeah, okay, okay,
because I was so intrigued about what your your process,
what you're thinking, how you might like to Well.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I have been doing actually lately, I've been doing a
lot of silver reads for cartoons.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Oh that's fun.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah, that's pretty fun.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I think I'm trying, like I mostly am doing like
adult cartoons, which is fun. I'm trying to stay a
little bit away from kids ones. I just feel like,
I don't know, I just don't know if my voice
would lend towards the kids cartoon.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
But I guess it depends.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Disney, if you ever see this, I'm I'm a liar,
so if you ask me, I'll do it.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
But it just from my perspective, definitely, definitely or quickly.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Get Yeah, but I just did a read last night
for one that's like She's like a witch, which I
thought was kind of telling, but you know, it is
what it is.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Oh good.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Which there's a lot of different kinds of witches.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
All the reads I get.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I joked about this with one of my other friends
too on the show, where like all the reads I
get it's like.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Huge bitch in the office.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Like that's like the byelines like for it are always like, oh,
she's she's a cut but also very nice.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Like you know, I'm playing a mean girl. But I
think I could do it.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I think you can do all of that easy. The
challenge will be doing something, you know, against that something.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
I've been kind of slow pitch. I was like, give
us something mysterious. Yeah, but I'm so like not mysterious.
So maybe that's the problem. But I've been like slow
pitching this idea to Brittany and Caleb. I've been trying
to like explain to them. I was like, we should
do like The Hangover, but like the three of us
and then you could be our dad in it.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Yes, come in, I'm ready if.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Anyone wants to write that.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Let you know Caleb. Caleb is brilliant.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah he is.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
They're both They're fast, they are it is, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
It is.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Well we have other skills, yes, they can have that.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Yeah, we have other things.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, you and I fat asses. That's what we got.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Listen, I'm gonna say I'm going to show you later.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
I'm going to stand up.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
They wish they had, I wish have that.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
So we got the booty. So you are on New
York Times bestseller.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Was amazing. That is awesome.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
That is awesome. What's the thinking is there? Do you
have something else here? Is there a follow up?
Speaker 3 (24:59):
What's the line with that?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Well, I am writing another book, so that's exciting, but
it's actually not a follow up to loud, namely because I,
like I said earlier, I just turned thirty, so like,
I don't think I have any more advice.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I think I'm tapped. Honestly, I got to live a
little bit more life.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Okay, Okay, yeah, I'm just saying the older. I mean,
I'm sixty six, Jesus, and you, like, you know, you
do learn some stuff.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
The question is it is it? Is it relevant? That's
the that's the question point to make sure.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
So I'm I'm thinking like maybe no more memoir stuff,
but I am writing another book.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
But I'm actually writing fiction now, which is very exciting.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
So what's the what's the I'm doing?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Like if you can share, yeah, what I can share
is Bill, I'm doing like a fantasy romance, like kind
of vibe Dune speaking of Dune.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yes, kind of like that, but not obviously.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So I fin's fantasy more I would say, yeah, romanticy.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, so it's more like I would say, and that
kind of one of my other friends too on the
show where like all the reads I get it's like
huge bitch in the office. Like that's like the byelines
like for it are always like, oh, she's she's a
cut but also very nice.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Like you know, I'm playing a mean girl. But I
think I could do it.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I think you can do all of that easy. The
challenge will be doing something, you know, against that something.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I've been kind of slow pitching. I was like, give
us something mysterious. Yeah, but I'm so like not mysterious.
So maybe that's the problem. But I've been like slow
pitching this idea to Brittany and Caleb. I've been trying
to like explain to them. I was like, we should
do like the Hangover but like the three of us
and then you could be our.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Dad in it.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Yes, I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
If anyone wants to write that, let me know.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Is brilliant.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah, he is.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Him. They're both they're fast, they are it is yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
It is.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Well we have other skills, yes, I know they can
have that.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Yeah, we have other things we do.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yeah, you and I fat asses. That's what we got.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Bad Listen, take up. I'm gonna say I'm going to
show you later. I'm going to stand up.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
They wish they had, I wish have that.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
So you got the booty.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
So you are on New York Times bestseller Loud.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
It's amazing. That is awesome.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
That is awesome. What's the thinking is there? Do you
have something else here? Is there a follow up?
Speaker 4 (27:27):
What's the mine with that?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Well?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I am writing another book, so that's exciting. But it's
actually not a follow up to Loud, namely because I,
like I said earlier, I just turned thirty. So like,
I don't think I have any more advice. I think
I'm tapped. Honestly, I got to live a little bit
more life.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Okay, Okay, yeah, I'm just saying the older. I mean,
I'm sixty six Jesus, and you're like, you know, you
do learn some stuff.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
The question is it is it? Is it relevant? That's
the that's the question.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Good point, you know, I don't want to make sure.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
So I'm thinking like maybe no more memoir our stuff,
but I am writing another book.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
But I'm actually writing fiction now, which is very exciting.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
So what's the what's the I'm doing, like, if you can.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Share, Yeah, what I can share is I'm doing like
a fantasy romance like kind of vibe Dune speaking of Dune,
kind of like that.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
But not obviously so far.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Fantasy more I would.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Say, yeah, romance to see Yeah, so it's more like
I would say in that kind of un So I'm
working on that now, which is very exciting. And I
just recently like really kicked up. So I got a
lot of work ahead of me the next few years. Okay, okay, yeah,
so I'm very excited though.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I think it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Do you set you said, Okay, I'm going to do this.
We've set a goal, we've set a date, we said
a time.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yes, actually, yeah, so I got I got my work
cut out for me the next few years. I think
this is like my honestly one of my biggest projects
probably the next like five years of my life. So
there we go, get into work and I'm rolling out
a larger plan that I like to call my lin
Manuel Miranda plan. So as I roll it out, once
film rights come, I'm like, you know what, you can
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have it, but I will.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Be principal casting.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Of course, I.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Got to cast myself. He's a genius.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Yeah, he mentor great.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, he's a genius.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
So he's like, you can have it, but I'm the star.
That's okay.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
So that's kind of my plan.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Right, that's very good. That's very good.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I'm doing something sort of similar.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Right now for the podcast.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Well, I'm working on a memoir and I understand dates and.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Like, bang, oh, there's so much good stuff in there.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
There's a lot of stuff that's a cree looking back,
and you go, God, I've been around for a while,
I've done a few things. I got a few things
I can talk about.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Oh god, you're so successful and handsome for years.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Got me too. So I'm excited about that. But also
just a podcast that I did, and we're we're working
on generating that and turning that into into something that's
actually that we will have very cool to be able
to present like a in a sense, So it'll be love, yeah,
not animated, but it'll be real. So we'll see yeah,
(30:05):
and definitely want to be a part of that too.
So same idea, attach yourself to something that you've already created.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Absolutely where you go.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I figured that's what I gotta do, you know what
I mean, I got to go in a back door.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
So I guess I'll just have to make it.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
And honestly, with the amount of romancey books I've read,
I read so many in the last couple of years, like,
not nearly enough of them look like me.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
So I'm gonna make.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Them look good for you.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah. Yeah. I was like, well, if I want to
see it, I got to make it, I guess.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good. So and you lean into
sort of the medieval.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah, it's it's existing somewhere in between that kind of realm.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
It's like there's a lot of magic to it.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
But it's also like I'm drawing a lot of inspiration
from like Polynesian like mythological I was.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Going to ask you, yeah, are you gonna are you
going back a little heritage maybe a little bit?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Everybody looks like me, me and my family, which I
was like.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know white people in my story. Sorry,
are there any romanticy books out there? That you like now,
like do you? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I read so many romanticy books. I think The Hunger
Games has one of the best love triangles ever written
because it carries all the way to the end of
the story and then when she picks her like, yes,
that was the right choice. Yeah, me only liking when
she picks the one I want.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, Well, you have to in that situation.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I think you have to create walls.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
You have to put up like things that are so
difficult to get through to get past it are almost
almost insurmountable. No way this can possibly happen, and you
have to believe in whatever that is.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I think I'm gonna nail it, honestly.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Okay, I'm very excited.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
You're gonna do it. You're gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I have a note here about you're one of the
queens of the roast.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
But did the and the smash team you did give
them an opportunity to roast me? YEA two?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
How was that experience where you did you prefer? Do
you prefer the roasting or a roaster or roast?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
T e.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I think I think I'm good better at roasting. I
think being a roast.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I haven't really been hit like hard enough, I don't
think right, even like during the Smash I do love
the Smash team. They're very fun and like that was
a really fun like gag that they all did with me.
There was only a couple that were, honestly like really,
I was like, okay, relaxed.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Yeah, yeah, there was only.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
A couple, which I loved.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
But honestly, they roasted someone else that was there way
harder than they roasted me, which I thought was funny
because I think it's a fear thing.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I think a healthy dose of fear really works.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yes, but I think it's more fun to for me
to roast others because I like to make people laugh
and I like to entertain people.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
But getting roasted, I love it. I mean, if they
can do it, do it.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
There's a thing, right. It seems to me like there's
there's a there's like a roast meter, right.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
And at a certain point, you know, some people, some
people don't get it. They go into the red and
you're like, no, no, no, it's not about going to
the red. You gotta just be just below it.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, pressing, pushing, Yeah, how many barbs are on the sphere.
You know, it's like one barb's like okay, I got that,
or but if there's a couple of barbs, that's.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
When you pull it out. It's gonna be this is
really good, right.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
I think that's why drag queens gravitate towards me.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Because I can take a fucking joke like drag queens
are mean as fuck, lucky, the funniest, like sweetest, meanest
people alive. So I think that's why drag queens really
vibe went well with me because I'm a bitch and
so are they.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
So I think it works out.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
And honestly, those are the only people that I'm friends
with that I really felt like have gotten me good
in a way that made me laugh really hard. But
like if I was a more like I thought it
was a little bit softer, that would have hurt my feelings. Yeah, much,
it might hurt my feelings.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
But it's interesting because I think in that case that
because they're there, they are characters. Yes, that they are there,
are a persona absolutely that I think you can relate to.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
As an actor.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
You step into a persona and you can become pretty mean. Period.
They get out of that persona, Yeah, I do the
same thing, gentle.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
And yeah, when I'm on TikTok, I do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I step into a different step, into a kind of
version of myself. But I think that's why people are
shocked when they meet me in person, because I think
sometimes they assume I'm going to be like ah, right
like when they meet me, but I'm a lot more chill,
I think when you meet me in person. I think
that's because they see that part of me on TikTok,
But like that's obviously.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Not my entire personality. It's just a facet of it.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
At the end of the day, like all roads lead
back to the same center point, which is that patriarchy,
white supremacy, all of it.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
It goes hand in hand.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
But it's also like centering male validation is like the
bane of every woman's existence, and anyone outside of the female.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Identity to bother me. It doesn't bother me. So like
I've let it go.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
And so I think that's why my platform happened the
way it did at the time in my life it did,
because that's the gift I want to give everybody else.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Do you think the transition, because I feel what I
hear you're saying, is like, there's like that you became
a time when you said you didn't you didn't take
the bait, or you didn't you didn't allow yourself to
be activated in some way. You were activating, yes, but
you weren't like you're like, no, no is it was
there a turning point, there was anything, or I think.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, I think the turning point was honestly, like around
twenty one twenty two, around that age.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I think it's because I had a lot of.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Really who are still my really good friends in college,
like women. I had never been surrounded by so many
women who were so sexually free and confident, and also
you know, going through the same chapters of life I was,
which is like learning how to decenter men, learning how
to not care as much about what they think about us,
or what they say about us or whatever, whether or
not they're attracted to us, whether or not they want
(35:27):
to date us, marry us, all those things. I think
going through those stages of life at the same time
with the amount of women I did that I love
dearly and still do to this day, I think, and
having my own unfortunate experiences with men in that regard
is kind of just all of it combined together is
what helped me turn that leaf because I had a
really negative experience in dating my senior year of college
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that altered my brain chemistry in a lot of ways,
but in a way that I because the long and
the short of it, I've told the story many times,
but the long and the short of it is, I
was like the other woman. I didn't know that, and
he lied about many things. The girlfriend was just the
tip of the ice perk. There was a lot of
other things he lied to me about that I did
not know. But I realized, like as I was sitting
and processing that awful traumatic experience, I realized through that
(36:12):
that like a lot of that was on me because
a lot of it. I'm not stupid. I saw everything.
I just chose to close my eyes, and that's on me, right.
So I think that kind of realization really unlocked something
for me, like it gave me freedom because I realized then, like,
I don't have to subject myself to anything if I
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don't want to, Which is why women are so smart
and women are so intuitive, and women are so powerful.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
So women do know when they're being mistreated. Women do
know when they're being.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Disrespected, they just choose to act on certain things and not,
and that's permission they need to give themselves. So I
gave myself permission to not put up with this bullshit
if I didn't want to anymore. Even as strong willed
and confident and independent as I was at the time,
that still happened to me. And it was because I
chose to let it happen to me. To some extent,
(37:04):
I can't control whether or not he lies to me,
but I can't control if I eat the lie, because
a lot of the lies.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Were fucking obvious.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah, first one being he had no social media whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Who are you, Jason Bourn? Who are you hiding from?
Speaker 1 (37:15):
You're my age?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Also, he lied to me about his age the first
time he met me, which that was as I said,
you said you were twenty five? He said no, I
didn't because he's thirty one and I was twenty one.
And I said you said twenty five, and he goes,
you probably just thought I said that because you were drunk,
oh right, immediately, gaslighting me immediately, And am I stupid? No?
Speaker 3 (37:34):
I knew that, yeah, but I was like, well, I
probably did mishear it.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
That's me lying to myself because I'm smarter than him,
and I'm smarter than how I was acting. And I
think that experience, honestly is where I let go of
Once I get a man, everything's gonna be fixed. Once
I get a man, I'm gonna be happy. Once I
get a man. I'm gonna like once I have someone
at home with me, like everything's gonna work out for me.
That is where I truly let that go, because I could,
you could say it all at that of life at
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the same time, with the amount of women I did
that I love dearly and still do to this day,
I think, and having my own unfortunate experiences with men
in that regard is kind of just all of it
combined together is what helped me turn that leaf.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Because I had a really.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Negative experience in dating my senior year of college that
altered my brain chemistry in a lot of ways, but
in a way that I because the long and the
short of it, I've told the story many times, but
the long and the short of it is I was
like the other woman. I didn't know that and he
lied about many things. The girlfriend was just the tip
of the ice perk. There was a lot of other
things he lied to me about that I did not know,
but I realized, like as I was sitting and processing
(38:36):
that awful traumatic experience, I realized through that that like
a lot of that was on me, because a lot
of it. I'm not stupid. I saw everything. I just
chose to close my eyes, and that's on me, right.
So I think that kind of realization really unlocked something
for me, like it gave me freedom because I realized then,
like I don't have to subject myself to anything if
(38:59):
I don't want to, which is why women are so smart,
and women are so intuitive, and women are so powerful.
So women do know when they're being mistreated. Women do
know when they're being disrespected. They just choose to act
on certain things and not, and that's permission they need
to give themselves. So I gave myself permission to not
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put up with this bullshit if I didn't want to anymore.
Even as strong willed and confident and independent as I
was at the time, that still happened to me. And
it was because I chose to let it happen to me.
To some extent, I can't control whether or not he
lies to me, but I can't control if I eat
the lie because a lot of the lies.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Were fucking obvious.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, first one being he had no social media whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Who are you, Jason Bourn? Who are you hiding from?
Speaker 1 (39:43):
You're my age?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Also hed to me about his age the first time
he met me, which that was as I said, you
said you were twenty five. He said, no, I didn't
because he's thirty one and I was twenty one. And
I said, you said twenty five, and he goes, you
probably just thought I said that because you were drunk.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Oh, lighting right immediately, gaslighting me immediately? And am I stupid?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
No?
Speaker 3 (40:01):
I knew that, but I was like, well, I probably
did mishear it.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
That's me lying to myself because I'm smarter than him,
and I'm smarter than how I was acting. And I
think that experience, honestly, is where I let go of.
Once I get a man, everything's gonna be fixed. Once
I get a man. I'm gonna be happy once I
get a man. I'm gonna like, once I have someone
at home with me, like, everything's gonna.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Work out for me.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
That is where I truly let that go, because I
could you could say it all day long, but if
you don't believe it and like actually feel it, I
don't think you're gonna find your person first of all.
But I also don't think you're ever gonna get anything
you want out of life, because at the end of it,
it always comes down to does a man like this
does a man like me?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Does he appreciate me?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
As I am, like constantly thinking about what they want
and what they need and what they're looking for. Where
is there any space for me if I'm always thinking
about them?
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Where's me? And I love me? Do you have a
guess of his moon?
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Give a sense?
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Don't jump me? Astrology girls, like this is a very.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Crude explanation, but like moon is like your emotions, like
how your emotions are ruled. It's like the planet that
rules your emotions, I think. And then you're rising is
like what you project or portray to others.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
I think of Leo rising too, which is weird.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Oh you're Leo rising, You're rising? I Leo moon interesting.
Thank God for that, Pisces.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
But I said, I'm not letting that out.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
That's the Leo.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
I'm not letting that out, and no one's going to
see that. And then and then, but then I choose
acting as I'm like, I guess I am going to.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Let the leo because that Leo's love attention too.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah, so I secretly do love attention, but I like,
I like to pretend like I don't. That's like no, no, no, no,
you know what's funny.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
I have like a theory I've said before.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
I was like, on one hand, I can count people
who genuinely hate attention, and it's my dad's one of them,
My man and my godfather. Those are the only men
I know, like are people in general? Everyone else I
know they love attention to some extent. You and I
have to love attention to do this for a living.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
But totally Yeah, so it's natural for us, which I accept.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yeah, but that's why I said the Leo thing makes
sense I think for you. But that's why I said,
thank God for that piece is a bounced too. Yeah,
you dodgeable at their God. Yeah, I was a I'm
a Virgo sun cancer moon Sagittarius rising.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Okay, sage is like my fire.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
So that's another reason why I think a lot of
people are like, oh, she's probably like a crazy because
I'm uh sag rising.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
So that's what people see first my fire.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Your cancer is your sensitivity cancer.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, and that's why I'm so protective. My astrologer told
me that once. And the virgo is why I'm so mean,
because I'm very detail oriented and remember everything.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
I think I should have Virgo in there as well.
Those they do say that I'm the opposite side of
the thing because I am definitely OCD.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah. Really the virgo. Yeah, it's very but it's meticulous.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
It's about esthetic. No, it's aesthetic. It's like I like,
which I think maybe that's the piece thing. So I like,
I like a lot of detail, but it has to
be the aesthetic has to be just right or I'm thrown.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Right, I'm very Type A. That's my virgo too, Okay,
I'm very Type A, so I like. That's why I
love when my because my agent and my assistance and
carry they're both very Type A.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
So when they're here, I can be a Type B.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
I can be like, I can be whatever I want
because they're here and they're in control of the ship.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Otherwise I have to be steering. I've got what you're
talking about. Type A. Type A women on the team,
the need need.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Them need My wife definitely agree. All right, so we're
gonna come back. We've got a cool game. Okay, it's
just just just for you. I decided just for you.
It's called deep Diving and it's an O to your.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Podcast perfect with on staff.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yes, we're going to be diving deep into the world
of our of our own comments. Okay, but we're gonna
we're gonna gamify it. So we're each going to read
a comment from our socials and the other one we'll
have to guess who it came from my new yours.
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But okay, we're back. So as I said before, we're
going to do this section called.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
Just you deep dive in.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Well, we're wearing snorkels, masks and snorkels because we're doing
some deep dive.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
In and we're holding giant cell phone.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
We have giant cell phones.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
This is what it looks like when people take pictures that,
like with an iPad, like they're like holding it up
in front of everyone.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
No, it's cool.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
I didn't want to want you are hilarious. Who are
you behind that iPad?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
I don't know? These are truly giant.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
So we're gonna we're gonna read comments from each of
our socials for each other, and we're gonna guess which
person it was directed towards. Let's dive in first one,
mother mothering again as usual.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
I'm gonna assume mine.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
You are correct, mother mothering again as usual. Imagine humiliated
mother mothering again. But you know, sometimes it's it's they
you never know, you never know.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
They call me daddy on mine too. So yeah, interchangeable.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
You can't be anyone's guess.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Okay, Mine says, twin, this is so peak.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Well that's yes, that's gotta be mine.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Yes, obviously starting starting.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
The mister TikTok, get them in my office, stat.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Mister TikTok, get them in my office. Stat.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
I'm gonna guess yours. Oh was I wrong?
Speaker 4 (45:14):
You are incorrect? It was mine, mister TikTok.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
I don't, but you know what it's it gave the
mister TikTok, get them in my office, stat. Mister again,
it sort of it's anywhere gender so.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
We don't know. We can't. Yeah, we can't go with that.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
It's not non gender specific exactly right. Okay, Mine says,
this is my super Bowl event. Y'all don't get it
like I do.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
It's got to be you.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, you, because I was thinking about I was thinking
I just want your dad, But I was just like
your dad right, Probably not incorrect, but the logic.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Probably not, but it was a good guess. Context led
to it was.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
A fifty to fifty Yes, okay, your use of free
will reigns supreme once again. Yes, yes you are yours.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Your use of free will reign supreme once again.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
No, I think you're Yeah, your free will is more obvious.
I think I think the same things all the time
on mine.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Ah, No, I agree in your turn.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Oh yes, it says this video captures such an interesting moment.
The details really draw you in and make you think
about everything happening in the background. I like how it
brings attention to aspects we don't always notice right away.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Me. Yes, okay, I was like, only one of my
fans would write such a right concentrated aware exactly like
thinking through all right. This collab has spawned a genre
of video that I call videos that make me feel
like I'm actually just actively dying in hospice. I'll read
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that one more time. This collab has spawned a genre
of video that I call videos that make me feel
like I'm actually just actively dying. Actually, I love actually
just actively dying in hospice
What are we even do? What are we even doing?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hi, you found my YouTube channel. What the heck? It's
Kyle McLachlin. Come on, subscribe, Smash the button, hit it,
punch it, let's go. Hey, hi everybody, I'm Kyle, your
host for What are we even doing? This is a
this is our podcast where we get We sit down
with creatives basically actors, musician, podcast host writers, anyone who's
doing cool stuff as is my next guest, and we
(00:30):
get weird together in a good way, just have really
nice conversation. So, without further ado, today we have a podcaster, comedian, author, actress,
let's say, hey, hopeful actress crusader for women, which I loved.
Drew off Wallow, It's so nice to have you here.
Welcome to my little podcast. I've been on your podcast.
(00:51):
Thank you for having me as a guest.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
He God, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
A lot of people were very shocked to see you
with me. They were like, wow, this is how I
know you've made it.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I certainly know having you here is make me feel
that way.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
So that's the main thing.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Period love that for us.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
It's so cool to have you here.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Thank you, Thank you so much for having me. It's
excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
This is this is very cool. So you you tell
me about the journey, because I know a little bit
about your story starting out working with the NFL and
some of the other things. But when did you know
that this kind of genre was something that was appealing
to you, Like, I need to tell my story, I
need to be out speaking, I need to Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well, I think I fell into the content creation thing accidentally,
mostly because I'm gonna know it all and I think
I'm funny, so like I think that's more than enough
reason for.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Me to be posting content.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, I mean, anyone's.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Validation, but my own. I was like, I'm hilarious. I'm
going to say something.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
But I think I fell into the like misogyny specific pipeline,
like accidentally because I made a few videos talking about
like my own misfortunes while dating, like funny stories, because
I love to tell story.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I love to yap you.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Know, yes, yes, I love about you the most.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I do love to chatter.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
So I was just telling stories at first, and then
I made one video specifically that went viral, which was
like a prompt from someone like someone was like, what
are some very specific red flags and men right that
you have? And so I did like a whole list
on my notesap, just like silly shit. Yeah yeah, And
then I did that and that was my very first
video to go super viral.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
And then from that you struck a nerve.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yes, obviously I struck record with many people like people
who hate men, people who love them, like people who
are them, everyone.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
And everyone had an opinion.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yes, I sprayed the crowd hit it few, you know,
and so I got like a ton of I guess,
like giggles and like validation.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Like people being like, oh my god, that's so true,
that's so funny.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
And then I got a whole bunch of hate too,
which I because I just turned thirty, so I've I've
been like a voyeur on the internet mostly like I've
never really thought about making content seriously at all. Like
it was more so things I just used in passing.
So I had never received like that kind of amount
of hate from like a random thing I did on nine.
So I thought it was fun because I was like, well,
(03:06):
I mean, if we're making fun of each other's looks less, yeah,
so that's one thing I'm really good at I would say,
it's making fun of people's looks who are awful. And
so I just started like turning out videos responding to
comments and people specifically, and that's what kind of shoved
me on this path. Hey, I have a guy I'd
(03:27):
like to get a fuck up. Or I have this guy,
this guy said this awful thing. You should say something
about him. Okay, so they just started kind.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Of bringing you or sharing with their experiences yet.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Taking me in videos.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
That was kind of like the start of my snowball
that is now my empire.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
That is an interesting way in I have always, I mean,
I create. It's mostly just sort of fun, have a laugh, entertaining,
not a big thing. And I've always I've never really occasionally,
you know, you get some comments or whatever that like,
and I think I think maybe just because I'm I,
(04:03):
I don't want to engage. Yeah, I mean I really,
I just say, you know what I've just I've decided
not to engage because it's because that's not the intention
of what we're doing.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
But I understand why when you.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Get this backlash as you did, that it would spark
something in you, right, And I'm wondering that reaction comes from.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I think what it comes from more so for me,
is like I don't handle disrespect in a way that's
like kind, Like I guess this is the way I'm
when I'm disrespected, I'm I'm, I am.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I bristle and react immediately. That's how I've always been.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, and I've always been like my older sister, her
and I are two years of part in age, but
we're a year apart in grade, so we were in
school together a lot growing up. And my sister is
the complete opposite of me in many ways. So she's
very reserved, very quiet, like very sweet, trusting like things
like that.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I'm we're like opposites of each other in that.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Okay, so my sister was bullied a lot growing up,
so like when I started going to school with my sister,
I just really don't like bullies, Like that's my main thing.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I really don't like people picking on the vult advantage.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Right, so that's how I grew up. I grew up
protecting people like that. I think protective nature is something
that's very like obvious about me. I think now now
that people have seen me for a while, I'm very protective.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So that in your family was like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, totally. I mean, my dad is.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's funny because physically speaking, my mom and dad are
very opposite. So my dad is six six, my mom
is like five three, and my mom is just like
me and personality like all fire, no breaks, like real protective.
My dad's just like my sister gentle patient.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Wait wait your dad, but your dad played for the NFL.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah, so it's ironic, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Because I do think of this.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I mean, I know we're kind of going all over
the place, but I think I think you you know,
you you see.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
The the players.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
In the NFL, and I love football. I watched football
and I and I really I love. I love linebackers
and I love that. But linemen are always to me
the most intriguing, right because they're right in the trenches.
I don't know what position your.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Father plays, he's a lineman, he's left guard.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Left guard.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Okay, defensive offensive, defensive offensive offensive, okay, okay, okay, that's yeah,
so you have to protect. But I always thinking these
guys because when you my experience, I meet him, they're
the just gentle.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
The sweetest.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, giants, very alignement, especially esctually o Linemen.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yes, yeah, but they access something that is primal, you
know what I mean, and then and they and they
access it for a short period of time. Yeah, it
seems like and then and then they're out of it. Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I think that was my dad's thing for the NFL,
to be honest, I think it was like my dad
really looked at it like a job. I think a
lot of people don't look at an opportunity like that
as a job, but my dad, my dad went to
the NFL when he was twenty eight, so that's like one.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Hundred in NFL years.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, and also had two children already, so you already
had me my sister, So it really was a job
to my dad. So I think that's why my dad
was able to kind of detach from the like inherent
violent nature of football. It is very violent sports, so
like it was opportunistic more than anything, which I still
find like so shockingly it's an.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
In choice to make it twenty eight years right, Well,
i think I'm gonna go play football, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Like my parents had us very young, so my mom
always jokes that they had they did everything backwards, Like
my parents had kids first and then moved in together
and then got.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Married like so, so they did.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
All this stuff backwards, but I think it all worked
out for the best.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I think starting with passion and children is a great
way to start to be honest.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
And my mom was also like very opposed to getting
married just because they had children. Like my mom was like,
if we're gonna get married, and want to get married
because you really want to be married to me, not
because we have children together. So my mom was ort, Yeah,
it's it's not shocking at all when you see what
I do now you look back at my childhood and
like how I was raised and the environment I was
raised in, Like someone culture as a whole, because both
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my parents or someone is very matriarchal and it's very genesis.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Like women are held in very high regard in my culture.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And have been even still are even after having been colonized,
like in religion kind of working its way in there perversely,
Like it's still a very matriarchal culture. So like we
take women very seriously, in their words, very seriously. It's
always been very normal to me for women to be
empowered and strong and to fight back, like to push back,
(08:30):
like there I am not the only someone woman with
a big mouth.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
On her like at all, right exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I come from a lineage of women like that, like
my mom included, so my sister too. So I think
that's all of it kind of makes sense. I think
that the pieces kind of make sense as to why
I fell into this specifically. But I think more than anything,
I just really don't like beliefs and so like when
men are really really disrespectful to women, I get excited
because it's it feels like open game at that point
(09:00):
to start throwing insults.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Left, I got.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
A ton of them, fair game.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
That's how I feel, right, And you know too, like
I feel like, if you're going to be able to
make jokes, you have to be able to take jokes
like you have to. I think truly funny people can
do that well.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I wonder in someone culture because I spent some time
in Australia and I worked with a lot of the
transport guys from Maori. Okay, different culture altogether and very
very connected, you know, family, family, and so I was
very curious about that culture. And it's interesting you bring
up a matriarchal whether it was too or not, these
guys were absolutely not teaching an aura of confidence and strength,
(09:38):
and I've got to say that's obviously in you, and
I'm going to say supported by your family, that is
part of what's happened totally.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I think my parents did a wonderful job fostering my light.
Like I've been very opinionated for a very long time, right,
so I.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Think so they were like, this is this is what
we have. One of those let's.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Harness that understood, because that could be used for evil too.
Let's let's tone it now so it doesn't go out
of control.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I agree, a wonderful job. Influence from from friends, from parents,
from aunts, from uncles is at all everyone sort of
weighs in and sort of helps with the raisings.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Absolutely, and I think.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I think that also kind of lends towards my platform
now too, because I've had a lot of men in
my life, including my obviously my biological father, but like
I have a lot of other men in my life
that have been very positive, shining examples of what it
means to be a man and how how wonderful men
can be. So obviously, once I grew up and went
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through puberty and started dating and went went away to college,
and entered this world of dating, and I saw what
men are willing to give women versus what they can
do for women, like what they're capable of. It's not
acceptable in a lot of ways. Like I've seen how
great men can be, and this is not that. So
like I, if anything, it makes even more sense that
I haven't extremely high standard for men because I was
(10:56):
raised by a lot of really wonderful men.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, I love I love, I love hearing because I
think there is there is a responsibility. I mean, I
had an amazing mother, you know what I mean, And
she was all about really about equality, diversity before it
was even the.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Thing, yeah or popular exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Treat everyone the same pretty much golden rule, and that
was it. And I had a dad who was who
worshiped her really, you know, and it was and you know,
when I look back, I see the examples that he
grew up with from his parents, and it was actually
the same thing. They my grandparents on his side, met
in grade school and just stayed together. They were together
(11:35):
for I don't even know how long, how many years,
but it was incredible event. They were each other's soulmates.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
You know. Yeah. Love my parents a high school sweethearts.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Okay, similar thing, and just supported each other, recognized the
value of each other. And this was my dad's experience
growing up, and that's what he witnessed, you know. So absolutely,
between those two, I think we were my brothers and
I all kind of infused with a certain kind of
respect that comes with that, you know. So I'm in
alignment there.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
It's a beautiful thing, I think. And I think that's
a common misconception too. When I get a lot of
criticism from men, especially, They're like.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Well, it's who good, You didn't have good dad's this way?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
You hate men wrong. I've actually I had a wonderful dad,
a dad. He's been in my life for a very
long time. My dad had me twenty years old. Twenty
one years old. Wow, my dad had me very young,
so like my sister was born. My mom had my
sister at eighteen, so like I was born two years later,
So like my parents had me very young. My Dad's
been in my life my entire life, very constant. And
I've been raised by many men who are wonderful and
(12:32):
kind and empathetic and supportive and empowering. And you know,
it was like I joke sometimes that my sister and
I childhood was kind of like if the cast of
friends was brown and then there were two kids there,
Like that's like, that's kind of the vibe because that
my my parents were in their twenties, like they're early
to mid twenties when I was growing up.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, is shocking to think about now.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah, but they seem very mature.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, I mean year old.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
And then.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I think they had no how how wonderful men can be.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So obviously, once I grew up and went through puberty
and started dating and went and went away to college
and entered this world of dating, and I saw what
men are willing to give women versus what they can
do for women, like what they're capable of, it's not
acceptable in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Like I've seen how great men can be, and this
is not that.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
So like I, if anything, it makes even more sense
that I haven't extremely high standard for men because I
was raised by a lot of really wonderful men.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I love I love I love hearing that because I
think there is there is responsibility. I mean, I had
an amazing mother, you know what I mean, And she
was all about really about equality, diversity, before it.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Was even the thing, yeah, or popular exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Treat everyone the same pretty much, golden rule, and that
was it. And and I had a dad who was
who worshiped her really you know, yeah, and it was
and you know, and I look back, I see the
examples that he grew up with from his parents, and
it was actually the same thing. They my grandparents on
his side, met in grade school and just stayed together.
(14:01):
They were together for I don't even know how long,
how many years, but it was incredible and all events,
they were each other's soulmates, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah, I love love that my parents are high school sweets.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Okay, similar thing, and just supported each other, recognized the
value of each other. And this was my dad's experience
growing up, and that's what he.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Witnessed, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
So absolutely between those two, I think we were my brothers.
And I'm all kind of infused with a certain kind
of respect that comes with that, you know, totally, So
I'm in alignment there.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
It's a beautiful thing, I think. And I think that's
a common misconception too. When I get a lot of
criticism from men, especially, They're like.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Well, it's who good you didn't have good dads this
way you hate men wrong.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I've actually I had a wonderful dad, A dadh's been
in my life for a very long time. My dad
had me twenty years old. Twenty one years old. Wow,
my dad had me very young, so like my sister
was born. My mom had my sister at eighteen, so
like I was born two years later. So like my
parents had me very young. My dad's been in my
life my entire life, very constant. And I've been raised
by many men who are wonderful, kind and empathetic and
(15:02):
supportive and empowering. And you know, it was, like I
joke sometimes that my sister and I childhood was kind
of like if the cast of friends was brown and
then there were two kids there, Like that's that's kind
of the vibe because that my my parents were in
their twenties, like they're early to mid twenties when I
was growing up.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, shocking to think about now.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah, but they seemed very mature.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, I mean year olds and then not twenty.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I think they had no choice but to be.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
But the culture, I love the culture.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I think this was trying to get at before, is
that this simone culture yeah, I have a little bit of.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
History with some of the native culture where I'm from.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Where I'm from, nice, there is a teaching or educating
or examples by teasing. Oh yeah, there's humor in the process.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
So it's not scolding.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
It's like there's nothing, there's a razzing. There's another way
in which I think is not what I grew up with,
you know, but I but having learned about it, I'm.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Like, I like that.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, you're so You're so real for that.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Honestly, that's very true, especially in someone culture, like all
Pacifical culture, honestly, like they love to make fun of
each other. Like it's a very it's a love language.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, very love language.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
It's not like you're putting someone, it's not and.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
It's not for insecurities. It's like it's poking fun at someone.
And like, honestly, that's how I got good, because I
do get a lot of questions about how did I
get good at roasting? People are making fun of people,
And I was like, because I was raising the trenches.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Girl, Like that's why I was raised. I was raised
by people who are really good.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I had to get good fast because otherwise I was
gonna be the butt of every joke. And also when
I was younger, like before I got like probably to
like my early preteen years, I used to get very
upset when they would when I would start becoming the
butt of the joke and I could not take a
joke to save my life, Like I would get very
angry enough.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
So I was one of those kids.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And my mom one time would told me like, if
you're gonna make jokes, you have to learn how to
take jokes because if not, no one's gonna want to
joke around with you. And then my mom started introducing
this bit where she would go like, oh, no one
make fun of Drew. She doesn't like it. No one
can make fun of her, so don't do.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
That, And that made what the hell?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, that gave me fomo. I was like, well, no,
I want to be in on the Obviously I would
like to laugh with everyone. Obviously they would, so I
had to get over myself. That's also another thing. It
was like an ego thing for me. So but it's true,
like I can't make fun of someone and not expect
that they're going to do the same back or be
able to bounce back from it. Yeah, so I think
that's another reason why, Like I mean, my skin is
(17:23):
like made out of vibranium, like nothing can penetrate it.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
At this point.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Like my family is meaner in like a rose sense
than anyone on the internet could ever be.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Like that is just a fact.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
But also, like I like to I think that people
who are funny for a living in general, which I
do do for a living now, like you have to
learn how to laugh at yourself, like to some extent,
Like I have been hit with insults that were pretty
good from time to time. I was like, damn, that
one nicked.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Me a little bit, ye a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, and I got to give it up because I
respect the art till I die.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, you know, so like if it's a good one,
it's a good one. There just haven't been many.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
But that's just, like to be quite honest with you,
But that's because men as smart as.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Me their very fault. They cannot play on the same field.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, exactly the top.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
You know, we're not going to challenge that.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I had such a funny experiences of completely going in
a different direction. But when I was started, I was
very young. It was during my first film, So this
is aighty three and I was in Mexico City. We
were shooting Dune and they were coincided with the filming
of Conan, so they were doing the second Conan.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Down there at the same time.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Arnold with Arnold's Arnold and Arnold you know, I mean,
I was going to the gym a lot, and Arnold
was like, you know Arnold, right, yeah, and it's such
a nice guy. I gotta say in your medium. And
he was down training in Mexico City at one of
the hotels that time.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
He probably looked insane.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
It was insane, yeah, and I unders imagine, but I
understood because it's like he had a whole facility set up.
It was all during the Nautilus's craze and the nautilst machines. Yes,
so they had always set up in this in this
giant conference room, and he was training with his training
partner Sven. Now then Fenn was like twice the size
(19:17):
of Arnold, damn. And so they would go in and
he'd do like, you know, ten reps of ten squads
and then but had like the other four plates. Yeah,
he was crazy. And I realized that Arnold had Fenn.
I mean, they were friends as well, but he said,
because Fenn was stronger, Arnold had.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
To you know, he had.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Right what it was. But the other but the other
thing that I loved about it was the fact that
I would watch them kind of because I was in
there kind of cay can I work out.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
I'd be over like, you.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Know, doing my twenty pounds, you know, and and I
watched him and I said, there was no like you know,
oh god, I got and then now I'm doing ten sets.
It was him Arnold lift, no no loud, nothing, just
very quiet. That's kind of like meditative tatus.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
And he'd walk around, he would do his set and
he kind of move and kind and I could see
him working through what next, but it came from the
previous set, and I never forgot. I just thought that
is such a So I've kind of I haven't adopted
that necessarily, but I try to, like go what my
body's saying, what's telling me.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
There are so many men that would kill to have
had that seat that you had, like him and his
prime lifting, just that one like learning from it. Just
watch some men who just came in their pants.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Watching There you go and you know who you are,
you know, and you know who you are, and I
went off, I guess he was thinking about you.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Dad.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
A lot of comments like that on our cutdown together
of our episode where they said the original polytrates.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Like I remember him from Dude.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Dude, God with my crazy hair, My god, oh my god.
This podcast Two Idiot Girls, Yes, I don't know this podcast.
Tell me what this is about hair that.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
It's Like I said earlier, I do have a lot
of yap in me.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
So I do have two podcasts I call like the
comment section I call my show. No, I have too
many things to say, you know me, I called the
comment section of my show because it's more guests driven.
And then Two Idiot Girls is my podcast with my
sister and we basically it. We like to describe it
as like sister cousin sleepover vibes, Like it's just a
completely different energy from the comment section because that's more
(21:24):
of like a hosting thing, whereas like, obviously I'm a
host of Twoit eight Girls too, but that's where we
get to like talk about like what books we're reading
and like what shows were loving, and tell silly funny
stories and like kind of just be like cousins sleepover vibes, right, you.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Go into the past and talk about stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
And yeah, exactly, and so like we called it two
Idiot Girls. A lot of people are like, why did
you pick that name? And I was like, we've had
this inside joke forever. I don't remember where it came from,
like most of the jokes that we have, but we've
just been referenced as like the girls like forever, like
because we've just been together, doing everything together for our
entire lives. And so like we called ourselves too idiot girls.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Randomly, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. How does
that go to?
Speaker 4 (22:06):
That make you laugh? I'm like, yeah, I understand.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
One time, my agent Alex, who's like one of our
best friends, she also told me, like one time I
was explaining a joke to her that my sister and
I were dying laughing at, and then she goes, your guys,
humor is like confusing. Sometimes I'm like, well, and I
think also me laughing at it makes other It's almost
like I'm pav loving people into laughing.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Too, right, laughing, yeah, laugh, I mean that.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Itself makes people giggle, and so it kind of works out.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, So I just I love that we actually have
that in common.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Yeah, which is really fun.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
We talked a little bit about it when I was
on on your pod, just your curiosity about getting into
the acting thing.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yes, Do you are comfortable talking a little bit about that? Yeah, okay, okay,
because I was so intrigued about what your your process,
what you're thinking, how you might like to Well.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I have been doing actually lately, I've been doing a
lot of silver reads for cartoons.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Oh that's fun.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah, that's pretty fun.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I think I'm trying, like I mostly am doing like
adult cartoons, which is fun. I'm trying to stay a
little bit away from kids ones. I just feel like,
I don't know, I just don't know if my voice
would lend towards the kids cartoon.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
But I guess it depends.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Disney, if you ever see this, I'm I'm a liar,
so if you ask me, I'll do it.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
But it just from my perspective, definitely, definitely or quickly.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Get Yeah, but I just did a read last night
for one that's like She's like a witch, which I
thought was kind of telling, but you know, it is
what it is.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Oh good.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Which there's a lot of different kinds of witches.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
All the reads I get.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I joked about this with one of my other friends
too on the show, where like all the reads I
get it's like.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Huge bitch in the office.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Like that's like the byelines like for it are always like, oh,
she's she's a cut but also very nice.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Like you know, I'm playing a mean girl. But I
think I could do it.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I think you can do all of that easy. The
challenge will be doing something, you know, against that something.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
I've been kind of slow pitch. I was like, give
us something mysterious. Yeah, but I'm so like not mysterious.
So maybe that's the problem. But I've been like slow
pitching this idea to Brittany and Caleb. I've been trying
to like explain to them. I was like, we should
do like The Hangover, but like the three of us
and then you could be our dad in it.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Yes, come in, I'm ready if.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Anyone wants to write that.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Let you know Caleb. Caleb is brilliant.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah he is.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
They're both They're fast, they are it is, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
It is.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Well we have other skills, yes, they can have that.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Yeah, we have other things.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, you and I fat asses. That's what we got.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Listen, I'm gonna say I'm going to show you later.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
I'm going to stand up.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
They wish they had, I wish have that.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
So we got the booty. So you are on New
York Times bestseller.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Was amazing. That is awesome.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
That is awesome. What's the thinking is there? Do you
have something else here? Is there a follow up?
Speaker 3 (24:59):
What's the line with that?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Well, I am writing another book, so that's exciting, but
it's actually not a follow up to loud, namely because I,
like I said earlier, I just turned thirty, so like,
I don't think I have any more advice.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I think I'm tapped. Honestly, I got to live a
little bit more life.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Okay, Okay, yeah, I'm just saying the older. I mean,
I'm sixty six, Jesus, and you, like, you know, you
do learn some stuff.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
The question is it is it? Is it relevant? That's
the that's the question point to make sure.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
So I'm I'm thinking like maybe no more memoir stuff,
but I am writing another book.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
But I'm actually writing fiction now, which is very exciting.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
So what's the what's the I'm doing?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Like if you can share, yeah, what I can share
is Bill, I'm doing like a fantasy romance, like kind
of vibe Dune speaking of Dune.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yes, kind of like that, but not obviously.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So I fin's fantasy more I would say, yeah, romanticy.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, so it's more like I would say, and that
kind of one of my other friends too on the
show where like all the reads I get it's like
huge bitch in the office. Like that's like the byelines
like for it are always like, oh, she's she's a
cut but also very nice.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Like you know, I'm playing a mean girl. But I
think I could do it.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I think you can do all of that easy. The
challenge will be doing something, you know, against that something.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I've been kind of slow pitching. I was like, give
us something mysterious. Yeah, but I'm so like not mysterious.
So maybe that's the problem. But I've been like slow
pitching this idea to Brittany and Caleb. I've been trying
to like explain to them. I was like, we should
do like the Hangover but like the three of us
and then you could be our.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Dad in it.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Yes, I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
If anyone wants to write that, let me know.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Is brilliant.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah, he is.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Him. They're both they're fast, they are it is yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
It is.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Well we have other skills, yes, I know they can
have that.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Yeah, we have other things we do.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yeah, you and I fat asses. That's what we got.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Bad Listen, take up. I'm gonna say I'm going to
show you later. I'm going to stand up.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
They wish they had, I wish have that.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
So you got the booty.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
So you are on New York Times bestseller Loud.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
It's amazing. That is awesome.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
That is awesome. What's the thinking is there? Do you
have something else here? Is there a follow up?
Speaker 4 (27:27):
What's the mine with that?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Well?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I am writing another book, so that's exciting. But it's
actually not a follow up to Loud, namely because I,
like I said earlier, I just turned thirty. So like,
I don't think I have any more advice. I think
I'm tapped. Honestly, I got to live a little bit
more life.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Okay, Okay, yeah, I'm just saying the older. I mean,
I'm sixty six Jesus, and you're like, you know, you
do learn some stuff.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
The question is it is it? Is it relevant? That's
the that's the question.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Good point, you know, I don't want to make sure.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
So I'm thinking like maybe no more memoir our stuff,
but I am writing another book.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
But I'm actually writing fiction now, which is very exciting.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
So what's the what's the I'm doing, like, if you can.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Share, Yeah, what I can share is I'm doing like
a fantasy romance like kind of vibe Dune speaking of Dune,
kind of like that.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
But not obviously so far.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Fantasy more I would.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Say, yeah, romance to see Yeah, so it's more like
I would say in that kind of un So I'm
working on that now, which is very exciting. And I
just recently like really kicked up. So I got a
lot of work ahead of me the next few years. Okay, okay, yeah,
so I'm very excited though.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I think it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Do you set you said, Okay, I'm going to do this.
We've set a goal, we've set a date, we said
a time.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yes, actually, yeah, so I got I got my work
cut out for me the next few years. I think
this is like my honestly one of my biggest projects
probably the next like five years of my life. So
there we go, get into work and I'm rolling out
a larger plan that I like to call my lin
Manuel Miranda plan. So as I roll it out, once
film rights come, I'm like, you know what, you can
(29:08):
have it, but I will.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Be principal casting.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Of course, I.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Got to cast myself. He's a genius.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Yeah, he mentor great.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, he's a genius.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
So he's like, you can have it, but I'm the star.
That's okay.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
So that's kind of my plan.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Right, that's very good. That's very good.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I'm doing something sort of similar.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Right now for the podcast.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Well, I'm working on a memoir and I understand dates and.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Like, bang, oh, there's so much good stuff in there.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
There's a lot of stuff that's a cree looking back,
and you go, God, I've been around for a while,
I've done a few things. I got a few things
I can talk about.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Oh god, you're so successful and handsome for years.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Got me too. So I'm excited about that. But also
just a podcast that I did, and we're we're working
on generating that and turning that into into something that's
actually that we will have very cool to be able
to present like a in a sense, So it'll be love, yeah,
not animated, but it'll be real. So we'll see yeah,
(30:05):
and definitely want to be a part of that too.
So same idea, attach yourself to something that you've already created.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Absolutely where you go.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I figured that's what I gotta do, you know what
I mean, I got to go in a back door.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
So I guess I'll just have to make it.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
And honestly, with the amount of romancey books I've read,
I read so many in the last couple of years, like,
not nearly enough of them look like me.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
So I'm gonna make.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Them look good for you.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah. Yeah. I was like, well, if I want to
see it, I got to make it, I guess.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good. So and you lean into
sort of the medieval.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah, it's it's existing somewhere in between that kind of realm.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
It's like there's a lot of magic to it.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
But it's also like I'm drawing a lot of inspiration
from like Polynesian like mythological I was.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Going to ask you, yeah, are you gonna are you
going back a little heritage maybe a little bit?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Everybody looks like me, me and my family, which I
was like.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know white people in my story. Sorry,
are there any romanticy books out there? That you like now,
like do you? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I read so many romanticy books. I think The Hunger
Games has one of the best love triangles ever written
because it carries all the way to the end of
the story and then when she picks her like, yes,
that was the right choice. Yeah, me only liking when
she picks the one I want.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, Well, you have to in that situation.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I think you have to create walls.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
You have to put up like things that are so
difficult to get through to get past it are almost
almost insurmountable. No way this can possibly happen, and you
have to believe in whatever that is.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I think I'm gonna nail it, honestly.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Okay, I'm very excited.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
You're gonna do it. You're gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I have a note here about you're one of the
queens of the roast.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
But did the and the smash team you did give
them an opportunity to roast me? YEA two?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
How was that experience where you did you prefer? Do
you prefer the roasting or a roaster or roast?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
T e.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I think I think I'm good better at roasting. I
think being a roast.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I haven't really been hit like hard enough, I don't
think right, even like during the Smash I do love
the Smash team. They're very fun and like that was
a really fun like gag that they all did with me.
There was only a couple that were, honestly like really,
I was like, okay, relaxed.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Yeah, yeah, there was only.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
A couple, which I loved.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
But honestly, they roasted someone else that was there way
harder than they roasted me, which I thought was funny
because I think it's a fear thing.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I think a healthy dose of fear really works.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yes, but I think it's more fun to for me
to roast others because I like to make people laugh
and I like to entertain people.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
But getting roasted, I love it. I mean, if they
can do it, do it.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
There's a thing, right. It seems to me like there's
there's a there's like a roast meter, right.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
And at a certain point, you know, some people, some
people don't get it. They go into the red and
you're like, no, no, no, it's not about going to
the red. You gotta just be just below it.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, pressing, pushing, Yeah, how many barbs are on the sphere.
You know, it's like one barb's like okay, I got that,
or but if there's a couple of barbs, that's.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
When you pull it out. It's gonna be this is
really good, right.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
I think that's why drag queens gravitate towards me.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Because I can take a fucking joke like drag queens
are mean as fuck, lucky, the funniest, like sweetest, meanest
people alive. So I think that's why drag queens really
vibe went well with me because I'm a bitch and
so are they.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
So I think it works out.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
And honestly, those are the only people that I'm friends
with that I really felt like have gotten me good
in a way that made me laugh really hard. But
like if I was a more like I thought it
was a little bit softer, that would have hurt my feelings. Yeah, much,
it might hurt my feelings.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
But it's interesting because I think in that case that
because they're there, they are characters. Yes, that they are there,
are a persona absolutely that I think you can relate to.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
As an actor.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
You step into a persona and you can become pretty mean. Period.
They get out of that persona, Yeah, I do the
same thing, gentle.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
And yeah, when I'm on TikTok, I do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I step into a different step, into a kind of
version of myself. But I think that's why people are
shocked when they meet me in person, because I think
sometimes they assume I'm going to be like ah, right
like when they meet me, but I'm a lot more chill,
I think when you meet me in person. I think
that's because they see that part of me on TikTok,
But like that's obviously.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Not my entire personality. It's just a facet of it.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
At the end of the day, like all roads lead
back to the same center point, which is that patriarchy,
white supremacy, all of it.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
It goes hand in hand.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
But it's also like centering male validation is like the
bane of every woman's existence, and anyone outside of the female.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Identity to bother me. It doesn't bother me. So like
I've let it go.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
And so I think that's why my platform happened the
way it did at the time in my life it did,
because that's the gift I want to give everybody else.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Do you think the transition, because I feel what I
hear you're saying, is like, there's like that you became
a time when you said you didn't you didn't take
the bait, or you didn't you didn't allow yourself to
be activated in some way. You were activating, yes, but
you weren't like you're like, no, no is it was
there a turning point, there was anything, or I think.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, I think the turning point was honestly, like around
twenty one twenty two, around that age.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I think it's because I had a lot of.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Really who are still my really good friends in college,
like women. I had never been surrounded by so many
women who were so sexually free and confident, and also
you know, going through the same chapters of life I was,
which is like learning how to decenter men, learning how
to not care as much about what they think about us,
or what they say about us or whatever, whether or
not they're attracted to us, whether or not they want
(35:27):
to date us, marry us, all those things. I think
going through those stages of life at the same time
with the amount of women I did that I love
dearly and still do to this day, I think, and
having my own unfortunate experiences with men in that regard
is kind of just all of it combined together is
what helped me turn that leaf because I had a
really negative experience in dating my senior year of college
(35:50):
that altered my brain chemistry in a lot of ways,
but in a way that I because the long and
the short of it, I've told the story many times,
but the long and the short of it is, I
was like the other woman. I didn't know that, and
he lied about many things. The girlfriend was just the
tip of the ice perk. There was a lot of
other things he lied to me about that I did
not know. But I realized, like as I was sitting
and processing that awful traumatic experience, I realized through that
(36:12):
that like a lot of that was on me because
a lot of it. I'm not stupid. I saw everything.
I just chose to close my eyes, and that's on me, right.
So I think that kind of realization really unlocked something
for me, like it gave me freedom because I realized then, like,
I don't have to subject myself to anything if I
(36:32):
don't want to, Which is why women are so smart
and women are so intuitive, and women are so powerful.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
So women do know when they're being mistreated. Women do
know when they're being.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Disrespected, they just choose to act on certain things and not,
and that's permission they need to give themselves. So I
gave myself permission to not put up with this bullshit
if I didn't want to anymore. Even as strong willed
and confident and independent as I was at the time,
that still happened to me. And it was because I
chose to let it happen to me. To some extent,
(37:04):
I can't control whether or not he lies to me,
but I can't control if I eat the lie, because
a lot of the lies.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Were fucking obvious.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah, first one being he had no social media whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Who are you, Jason Bourn? Who are you hiding from?
Speaker 1 (37:15):
You're my age?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Also, he lied to me about his age the first
time he met me, which that was as I said,
you said you were twenty five? He said no, I
didn't because he's thirty one and I was twenty one.
And I said you said twenty five, and he goes,
you probably just thought I said that because you were drunk,
oh right, immediately, gaslighting me immediately, And am I stupid? No?
Speaker 3 (37:34):
I knew that, yeah, but I was like, well, I
probably did mishear it.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
That's me lying to myself because I'm smarter than him,
and I'm smarter than how I was acting. And I
think that experience, honestly is where I let go of
Once I get a man, everything's gonna be fixed. Once
I get a man, I'm gonna be happy. Once I
get a man. I'm gonna like once I have someone
at home with me, like everything's gonna work out for me.
That is where I truly let that go, because I could,
you could say it all at that of life at
(37:59):
the same time, with the amount of women I did
that I love dearly and still do to this day,
I think, and having my own unfortunate experiences with men
in that regard is kind of just all of it
combined together is what helped me turn that leaf.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Because I had a really.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Negative experience in dating my senior year of college that
altered my brain chemistry in a lot of ways, but
in a way that I because the long and the
short of it, I've told the story many times, but
the long and the short of it is I was
like the other woman. I didn't know that and he
lied about many things. The girlfriend was just the tip
of the ice perk. There was a lot of other
things he lied to me about that I did not know,
but I realized, like as I was sitting and processing
(38:36):
that awful traumatic experience, I realized through that that like
a lot of that was on me, because a lot
of it. I'm not stupid. I saw everything. I just
chose to close my eyes, and that's on me, right.
So I think that kind of realization really unlocked something
for me, like it gave me freedom because I realized then,
like I don't have to subject myself to anything if
(38:59):
I don't want to, which is why women are so smart,
and women are so intuitive, and women are so powerful.
So women do know when they're being mistreated. Women do
know when they're being disrespected. They just choose to act
on certain things and not, and that's permission they need
to give themselves. So I gave myself permission to not
(39:20):
put up with this bullshit if I didn't want to anymore.
Even as strong willed and confident and independent as I
was at the time, that still happened to me. And
it was because I chose to let it happen to me.
To some extent, I can't control whether or not he
lies to me, but I can't control if I eat
the lie because a lot of the lies.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Were fucking obvious.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, first one being he had no social media whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Who are you, Jason Bourn? Who are you hiding from?
Speaker 1 (39:43):
You're my age?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Also hed to me about his age the first time
he met me, which that was as I said, you
said you were twenty five. He said, no, I didn't
because he's thirty one and I was twenty one. And
I said, you said twenty five, and he goes, you
probably just thought I said that because you were drunk.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Oh, lighting right immediately, gaslighting me immediately? And am I stupid?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
No?
Speaker 3 (40:01):
I knew that, but I was like, well, I probably
did mishear it.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
That's me lying to myself because I'm smarter than him,
and I'm smarter than how I was acting. And I
think that experience, honestly, is where I let go of.
Once I get a man, everything's gonna be fixed. Once
I get a man. I'm gonna be happy once I
get a man. I'm gonna like, once I have someone
at home with me, like, everything's gonna.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Work out for me.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
That is where I truly let that go, because I
could you could say it all day long, but if
you don't believe it and like actually feel it, I
don't think you're gonna find your person first of all.
But I also don't think you're ever gonna get anything
you want out of life, because at the end of it,
it always comes down to does a man like this
does a man like me?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Does he appreciate me?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
As I am, like constantly thinking about what they want
and what they need and what they're looking for. Where
is there any space for me if I'm always thinking
about them?
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Where's me? And I love me? Do you have a
guess of his moon?
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Give a sense?
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Don't jump me? Astrology girls, like this is a very.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Crude explanation, but like moon is like your emotions, like
how your emotions are ruled. It's like the planet that
rules your emotions, I think. And then you're rising is
like what you project or portray to others.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
I think of Leo rising too, which is weird.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Oh you're Leo rising, You're rising? I Leo moon interesting.
Thank God for that, Pisces.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
But I said, I'm not letting that out.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
That's the Leo.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
I'm not letting that out, and no one's going to
see that. And then and then, but then I choose
acting as I'm like, I guess I am going to.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Let the leo because that Leo's love attention too.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah, so I secretly do love attention, but I like,
I like to pretend like I don't. That's like no, no, no, no,
you know what's funny.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
I have like a theory I've said before.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
I was like, on one hand, I can count people
who genuinely hate attention, and it's my dad's one of them,
My man and my godfather. Those are the only men
I know, like are people in general? Everyone else I
know they love attention to some extent. You and I
have to love attention to do this for a living.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
But totally Yeah, so it's natural for us, which I accept.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yeah, but that's why I said the Leo thing makes
sense I think for you. But that's why I said,
thank God for that piece is a bounced too. Yeah,
you dodgeable at their God. Yeah, I was a I'm
a Virgo sun cancer moon Sagittarius rising.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Okay, sage is like my fire.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
So that's another reason why I think a lot of
people are like, oh, she's probably like a crazy because
I'm uh sag rising.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
So that's what people see first my fire.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Your cancer is your sensitivity cancer.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, and that's why I'm so protective. My astrologer told
me that once. And the virgo is why I'm so mean,
because I'm very detail oriented and remember everything.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
I think I should have Virgo in there as well.
Those they do say that I'm the opposite side of
the thing because I am definitely OCD.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah. Really the virgo. Yeah, it's very but it's meticulous.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
It's about esthetic. No, it's aesthetic. It's like I like,
which I think maybe that's the piece thing. So I like,
I like a lot of detail, but it has to
be the aesthetic has to be just right or I'm thrown.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Right, I'm very Type A. That's my virgo too, Okay,
I'm very Type A, so I like. That's why I
love when my because my agent and my assistance and
carry they're both very Type A.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
So when they're here, I can be a Type B.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
I can be like, I can be whatever I want
because they're here and they're in control of the ship.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Otherwise I have to be steering. I've got what you're
talking about. Type A. Type A women on the team,
the need need.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Them need My wife definitely agree. All right, so we're
gonna come back. We've got a cool game. Okay, it's
just just just for you. I decided just for you.
It's called deep Diving and it's an O to your.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Podcast perfect with on staff.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yes, we're going to be diving deep into the world
of our of our own comments. Okay, but we're gonna
we're gonna gamify it. So we're each going to read
a comment from our socials and the other one we'll
have to guess who it came from my new yours.
(43:55):
But okay, we're back. So as I said before, we're
going to do this section called.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
Just you deep dive in.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Well, we're wearing snorkels, masks and snorkels because we're doing
some deep dive.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
In and we're holding giant cell phone.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
We have giant cell phones.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
This is what it looks like when people take pictures that,
like with an iPad, like they're like holding it up
in front of everyone.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
No, it's cool.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
I didn't want to want you are hilarious. Who are
you behind that iPad?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
I don't know? These are truly giant.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
So we're gonna we're gonna read comments from each of
our socials for each other, and we're gonna guess which
person it was directed towards. Let's dive in first one,
mother mothering again as usual.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
I'm gonna assume mine.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
You are correct, mother mothering again as usual. Imagine humiliated
mother mothering again. But you know, sometimes it's it's they
you never know, you never know.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
They call me daddy on mine too. So yeah, interchangeable.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
You can't be anyone's guess.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Okay, Mine says, twin, this is so peak.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Well that's yes, that's gotta be mine.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Yes, obviously starting starting.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
The mister TikTok, get them in my office, stat.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Mister TikTok, get them in my office. Stat.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
I'm gonna guess yours. Oh was I wrong?
Speaker 4 (45:14):
You are incorrect? It was mine, mister TikTok.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
I don't, but you know what it's it gave the
mister TikTok, get them in my office, stat. Mister again,
it sort of it's anywhere gender so.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
We don't know. We can't. Yeah, we can't go with that.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
It's not non gender specific exactly right. Okay, Mine says,
this is my super Bowl event. Y'all don't get it
like I do.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
It's got to be you.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, you, because I was thinking about I was thinking
I just want your dad, But I was just like
your dad right, Probably not incorrect, but the logic.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Probably not, but it was a good guess. Context led
to it was.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
A fifty to fifty Yes, okay, your use of free
will reigns supreme once again. Yes, yes you are yours.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Your use of free will reign supreme once again.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
No, I think you're Yeah, your free will is more obvious.
I think I think the same things all the time
on mine.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Ah, No, I agree in your turn.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Oh yes, it says this video captures such an interesting moment.
The details really draw you in and make you think
about everything happening in the background. I like how it
brings attention to aspects we don't always notice right away.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Me. Yes, okay, I was like, only one of my
fans would write such a right concentrated aware exactly like
thinking through all right. This collab has spawned a genre
of video that I call videos that make me feel
like I'm actually just actively dying in hospice. I'll read
(46:44):
that one more time. This collab has spawned a genre
of video that I call videos that make me feel
like I'm actually just actively dying. Actually, I love actually
just actively dying in hospice
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