May 5, 2026 • 37 mins
This week, Tommy is joined by Justin Hartley who is currently smashing TV and streaming records on the hit CBS series, Tracker. Justin reflects on the evolution of his career, from early passions for acting to becoming a leading man and producer. He opens up about stepping into the role of Kevin Pearson on This Is Us, the emotional depth of the character, and the lasting impact the show has had on audiences. He also shares what it’s been like to transition from being part of an ensemble to leading his own series, and how producing Tracker has given him a new level of creative control and responsibility.
The conversation dives into the physical and emotional demands of Tracker, from intense stunt work to building a character that continues to evolve in unexpected ways. Justin teases what fans can expect from the upcoming season finale, including long-awaited answers and new twists, and discusses the unique experience of premiering the show after the Super Bowl. Beyond the screen, he gets personal about balancing work and life, the importance of having a supportive partner, and how his perspective on love has grown over time.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with
me Tommy di Dario. My guest today is the brilliantly
talented Justin Hartley, who has been bringing joy to our
screens for decades, from starting off in soaps to cementing
his place in pop culture history through playing Kevin Pearson.
And this is us to showing us as comedic chops
and movies like Bridehard. I mean, this is a man
(00:24):
who can do it all. Justin is currently starring in
the third season of the CBS hit series Tracker, which
is literally one of the hottest shows in all of television.
It's constantly shattering primetime TV records and for good reason.
The show is phenomenal and Justin's a deep dude. Let
me tell you. That's what really striked me in this conversation.
He's thoughtful and really shared today the Justin who's not
(00:45):
just an actor, but a father, a husband, a friend,
and someone just trying to live a life that's authentic
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we can get justin to say something that he has
(01:28):
never said before. Justin Hartley, how you doing, my man,
good man, good to see. It's good to see you.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You look good, looking fresh, a little rested. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I feel like you were one of the hardest working
men in show business.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Maybe maybe the labor of love though for sure. Yeah.
You know this, yeah, this show that I'm doing is
just it's it took off and we're just holding on
to it, trying to you know, for dear life. It's
it's been quite a ride.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
It's been fun well, and it's one of the hottest
shows and all televison. And then we're going to dive
into tracker for sure in a bit. But to begin
I want to celebrate how you even got here, because
you've you've kind of you've done it all, I mean soaps,
primetime TV movies, Right, So when you look back at
all of that, what would you say was the turning
point of your career.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I think I've had a few. I've had a few
upsand downs. Actually turning turning point wise, certainly when I,
you know, came to La one hundred million years ago
to start this crazy, you know, this crazy idea that
I had. I guess the best part of that would be,
(02:36):
now that I'm looking back on it, would be how
naive I was to you know, I was just completely
I had no idea about anything. And I think that's
kind of what I needed in order to do this.
I think if I had the information, I don't know
if I would have done it, if I would have
taken that chance. I was lucky enough to get cast
in a soap opera called Passions, a really wacky show. Yeah,
and I kind of cut my teeth on that. On
(02:57):
that show, I was I was taking a classes, I
was in drama school, and but to be on set
and to do something, you know, just that is pushed
out at such a rapid pace really you know, you
sink or swim really quickly on something like that. And
then so that was one, and then did a series
of did a pilot, then did Smallville, So that was
(03:21):
another one. I would say that was a big one
because you know, different audience and people are watching that show.
That show was really zeitgeisty at the time. Was everything.
It was everything, yeah, everything, yeah, yeah. And when I
was on that show, ce W I think was new
because that show was on Warner Brothers, I think, like
the WB network, and then it turned into CW and
(03:42):
or became the CW and so we shot that show,
and then you know, I had my daughter and she
was growing up, and I just started to realize that
I want to be home. I don't want to be
traveling all over the place, you know, with these new jobs,
and he's trying to take a chance on this show
or maybe this pilot will go, and I'm missing some
time with her. She's really young at the time, and
so to to go back to soaps and to young
(04:03):
and the Russels was a great thing for me because
I could be home, I could still work, and I
could be home with her and and spend time with
her and then and that that I mean, gosh, it
seems like it happened so quickly, but it didn't. It
was It was over a long period of time. And
while I was on that show, a friend of mine
handed me this script. It was an untitled Dan Fogelman project,
(04:23):
and I read it and it was this is Us. Yeah,
and I thought, oh, man, I have I have to
get this. I have to try to do everything I
can to get this. And then that was sort of
a whole different, you know, a whole different turning point,
and that changed everything. It really did. It changed everything
in terms of I I I would say, in terms
of people taking me seriously. Really, And it didn't happen
(04:48):
at first because I, you know, when when Kevin, when
they when we entered, when Kevin got introduced to the
world on This is Us, he was sort of this
cad guy that was lost and he I mean, we
found him at his own birth. They party with his
shirt off with two women on a bed. House is
packed with people, and I in my head was looking
around thinking, I bet you this guy Kevin doesn't know
(05:08):
any of these people. And it's funny because he's got
a brother and sister they're not there, right, and he's
got you know, his mom's no one's there. And then
throughout the course of the show, as you know, there's
the richness and that. I mean, this guy grew up
turned into a man right before our very eyes. And
if you look at the way he was, you know
(05:29):
how we found him, how we discovered him versus how
we left him. At the end, it was just like wow,
what I mean, what an arc? What an opportunity you know,
to have somebody like Dan Fogelman writing that for you
is is in every way wonderful and fulfilling and at
the same time terrifying because it's such good writing. There
were times where you you know, I'm looking at the
(05:51):
script and I'm going, okay, I mean this is it.
It's right there, so you know, everything's right there for me. Wow,
it was a wonderful experience. And then Tracker and I'm
producing my own show. Yeah yeah, working with studios and
networks is great.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, I mean, what a career man. And This is
Us specifically was a show that everybody I feel like
was talking about. It was in being played in every household.
Many different generations were tuning in, which I think is
a magical thing. When that happens, It's not the case
for every kind of show. Absolutely, and the same with
Tracker of course. So what do you think it was about?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
This is Us?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Why was it so popular?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Well, I think no matter where you stood in life,
no matter how you saw yourself, no matter how you
thought you were perceived, your background, where you came from,
if you were a man, a woman, black, straight, gay, old, young, introvert, extra,
(06:48):
I think there was something there for everybody. I really
do feel like that show spoke to everybody. And I
think that, you know, at least for me when I
watched the show, because it's an ensemble show, there were
moments on that show that I wasn't there for, right,
So when I'm watching the episodes, I'm watching also as
a fan, yeah, you know, to see the other storylines
(07:10):
and how the and it just the show spoke to me.
It spoke to everybody, I think in a very good
positive way. And I think it left people feeling good
and like and and hopeful and like maybe there there's
more to this, and and left people with a also. Man,
(07:31):
I have had people walk up to me and say,
you know, I called I haven't talked to my dad
in five years. I called my dad because of this
this episode, and and we we we've been talking for
three months and it's been great. And now oh I
and now he knows his grandkids and it's just great.
I mean, how a show can do that. It's it's
it's remarkable. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And the cast. I feel like you guys collectively were
such a unit. We were, and it's cool to see
you guys still out and about or when reunite or
hang out like it. It feels like that was a
magical part of it, too unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
And I and and they're also different. We're all so
very different, but we had this this common thing that
was the show. And we were also at a point
in our lives where I think, you know, and it's
no fault of their own. I think young people are
they get a bad rap sometimes for being immature while
they're young. I think a lot of young people are
(08:19):
more way more mature than we give them credit for.
Back when I was, you know, in my teen late
teens and early twenties, I don't know if I would
have appreciated something like This is Us if I was
on it as much as I did when I was older,
and these these young kids now were thrust into this,
you know, social media and all this stuff. I don't
know if that's the case now, maybe they would appreciate it,
(08:39):
But back in my day, I just don't know if
I would have been ready to appreciate something like that.
And I think we were all in a place where
we all understood what we had, which was great, and
how special this this was. And so I remember, I
remember it like it was yesterday and it'll be with
me forever, which is which is which is really kind
(09:00):
of a nice, kind of a nice thing.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, you know, and I think it's pretty cool that
you and Sterling K. Brown are both playing these badass
characters right now in your careers, right and Tracker and
then yeah, yeah change it up a little bit. Yeah,
like you're both playing these no more arguments on the
front lawn. No, No, it's total badass.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, yeah, pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Do you guys ever talk about that like what we have.
We have talked about it a little bit, you know,
we get a kick out of it. But yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I mean, you know, to have the opportunity to jump
around and do different things as an actor is kind
of the goal.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, and you have major cool points with your daughter
now for that show. Right, she's at an age watching
it and liking it, and oh yeah she thinks that's cool. Yeah, yeah,
she better, that's what she tells me. Well, then you're
cool there you go. Well, yeah, that's amazing. Well now,
I mean you switch gears. You're totally different show, totally
different vibe with Tracker. I know you're really proud of it.
You starry at you executive produce it. Those are two
(09:50):
big hats to wear, right, So how how does that
dictate or feed into the performance that you do wearing
two different hats.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well, I get a lot of help. So that's good.
I'm surrounded by by some really smart, good people that
have done this for a really long time and that
are willing to share their knowledge with me. So I've
gone to I've gone to school a bit. I told him,
I was like, take me to show me, show me
the way. But but yeah, you know, it's freeing in
(10:20):
a way to have that amount of creative control and
creative input about the show and my character and the
direction of it and all of that, and then also
to be in lockstep with with my other producers who
are there behind the scenes doing all this stuff while
I'm on screen. I mean, I can't. I can only
do one thing at a time, right, So they're doing
all that's all that other stuff and kind of filling
(10:42):
me in as we go. And but yeah, to be
able to have a conversation with Ellwood, our showrunner, our
head writer about character and about oh, this would be
a fun storyline, or what about shifting it going this way?
And he's just so collaborative, and to get those calls
from him and be like, oh, I was thinking about this,
and oh that's you know, it just kind of brainstormed
(11:03):
each other. It's it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Well, you're also a perfectionist too. I remember when I
hosted in the ninety second Street Y, which was where
we met, and we screened an episode and the audience
was watching it first, and we were backstage and you
hadn't seen the shot yet and it was some nighttime shot.
I forget what episode it was. You hadn't seen it yet,
and you were like glued to the TV analyzing the
angle of the camera.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
It was the truck coming in. It was one shot
in the truck was coming and yeah, and see.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah, so you have that mind where it's like you're
so in tune with the details. Maybe it's because you
are on EP and it's your baby and you put
so much into it, but that's it seems like that's
how you operate it is.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I love it. I just love and I just figure like, man,
if you can make it great, why not make it great?
Why make it at all? If you can't make it
you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I just don't.
You know, the idea of doing something just to do
it is sort of you know, it puts me to sleep. Really,
it's a really fun show.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Thanks and thanks season one to now You've evolved, You've changed, right, Yeah,
character he's a bit of a lone wolf, but yep,
we're seeing different layers of him and learning more about
him and all of that. So how would you say
that journey has been for you to play and where
he is today?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Well, that's the beautiful part of character work is when
you see the character evolve and grow or even devolve
whatever change in any way. That's a really great thing
to have as an actor. So to have a show
that is a procedural show as a very big procedural
(12:32):
element to it, but also it's underlying sort of serialized
element as well. And to see him have these relationships
with these strangers and all of those relationships affect him
going forward, like how he views people, how he views
the world, you know, how he saw the world before
was a little bit more. Oh, I think he was
a bit you know, people are born everybody's good, right,
(12:55):
People are born good. People are inherently good. And I
don't know if that's what he would say right now,
given everything he's seen, the relationships from his past that
come along, things that he found out about his father,
his brother. He's now got closer tie with his brother,
which is nice. So he's got a he's got a
some semblance of a family that's not you know, makeshift
or put together or a bunch of strangers. So he's
(13:16):
he's come a long way, but yet he's still seeking
out that adventure and that you know. I just love
the idea of here's a guy who a bit of
a hero, you know, and risking his life and I
always just sort of think, what would what would that
(13:36):
mean if he was if he was not single? For instance?
Now is he is? He? Is he a hero? Still
or is he being selfish? Do you know what I mean? Yeah,
it's an interesting thought, and I don't know if I
have a take on that yet, but that's something that
I've thought about well.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And I think he's going to be a totally different
version of himself by the final episode of Whenever That
Day Comes. Yeah, I think it's going to be like
looking at season one and looking at that guy and.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Just like sort of closing the scrapbook and being like, Okay, different, different,
different time.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, that's what's so cool about what you do. I mean,
I imagine that's the gratifying part. You don't want to
be the same.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
No, no, and yeah, because it's sort of that it
becomes like kind of stale, you know what I mean.
But to get to evolve, and like I said, all
of those things that he goes through and those relationships
that he that he forges along the way, and the
people that he meets from all different walks of life
affect the way that he is going forward and how
he thinks of people, how he thinks of himself. I think,
how how he thinks of the way people perceive him,
(14:37):
you know, because sometimes people will tell you something about
yourself right, And you'll be in a group and you'll
be like, that's not at all me, and but then
everyone else is agreeing with them, and they're like, yeah,
you are, and you're like I am since when they're like,
you've always been that way. It's just interesting, isn't it
how people perceive you?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, what has been the most emotionally demanding thing you've
had to do in this entire series?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
In Tracker? Yeah, I think we do a bunch of
stuff about his family, his father passing away, the series
of unfortunate events that led to that, and the mystery
(15:18):
behind it, and all of these these people who seem
to know more about it than he does. Why And
then he gets an answer that you know, one of
the answers is well, we're protecting you, and I'm like
good cultures, Like from what what is this big secret?
You know? When he finally gets that answer, it's pretty devastating.
(15:41):
But then he's got to go do something about it, right,
So that and then also again it's the family stuff,
but he blamed his brother for his father's death for years,
for two decades, nearly come to find out he was wrong,
And so there's the guilt of that, the relationship that
would have been with his brother that he didn't have
(16:02):
because these things that he believed that weren't true, why
his mother lied to him, so all of that stuff.
There was a there was a scene where Colter finally
apologizes to his brother for that, and that got really
that got really emotional, you know. And it's nothing but
two guys sitting there and one guy telling another guy
(16:24):
with with with his whole heart that he apologizes and
he's sorry and there's really nothing he can do about
it except say I'm sorry and he mean it, and
and the other brother looking at him with all the
pain that that caused and saying I forgive you. And
that's It's that simple. But it's just like that that
is overwhelming, you know, or it can be.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
It's powerful. It's one of the hardest things I think
somebody can do.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Mm say you're sorry and mean it, or or say
you're forgiven? Which one did you mean both? But I
think forgiving someone h is be very difficult. Yeah, it's
interesting because the thing about that forgiveness you the person
who got hurt. The person who's forgiving has to be
(17:14):
in a way the one who kind of eats it, right,
and the person who I mean because the person who
says I'm sorry, they've said what they did and they
and they're apologizing. But in order to continue the relationship
in a healthy way, if you're really forgiving someone, that
means that means the whole thing. Right, So you're the
one that has to burden that again, even though you
(17:36):
were the one that got hurt. That's typically how that works, right.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, it's an interesting thing. Yeah, but that's very human. Yeah,
it's something we all go through. And to your point,
it's it's cool to see your character in these situations
where that concept and that theme is being brought up,
especially with the dichotomy of how physical your role is.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Right I now there's that too. You kick ass, You
do all.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
The physical things and stunts and all of that. So
to have a mixture of that and the emotion it's
really cool.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah. I think it's I think I always say we've
got to make sure we earn the physical stuff. It
can't just be this guy running around just doing cool
physical like just cool, badass physical stuff. We have to
earn that stuff, you know, And I think we earn
it through Like I want people to really care about
this guy. If they don't care about this guy that
we've lost, we've lost everything. They really have to care
(18:23):
about this guy. And in order for that to happen,
this guy has to really care about these people that
he's helping, truly, and because if he doesn't, we don't
really care about him. Right. So, I think that's the
linch point of our show right there, right.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
It makes sense. And I feel like every season you
won up your fitness game. If you come back every
season like more in shape, more ready to go.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Well I have, I have. So what happens, I'll tell
you the truth. My schedule gets completely insane during the
filming of Tracker, and it's about a ten month shoot,
is it nine and a half or ten months shoot?
Something like that. And in that time I have to
make time, find time, as you know, to work out,
you have to. There are also things in my life.
(19:07):
Life also goes on, right. I have a lovely, beautiful
wife that I want to spend time with as well.
I have to you know, be on the show memorized
lines of course, and then there's all the producing stuff
that goes along with that. There's just a lot going on.
My daughter, everything but I have to find time to
work out when those two months that I'm off. When
you say, like I come back at the next season,
I'm like, oh, I have all the time in the world. Yeah,
(19:28):
so I can. I could just spend you know, half
the day in the gym if I want to, or
an hour a day, whatever it takes. So it's just
that's what that's all that is. It's me going, oh,
I think I've lost another two pounds. You know, my
body would just if I don't work out, I'll just
turn into a raisin.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
So you're saying at like season episode one of a
new season to finale of that same season, we see
a little transformation over time because you have less time,
you can tell you our own hard heart like hardest critics,
I think, so you know what I mean, no one
can tell. But yeah, I mean it's a very physical role.
You got to be in shape. You got it also,
not just aesthetically, but to not injure yourself right exactly
sure you're you can handle.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well, that's that's a big part of it too, is
like you said, not just the aesthetics. It's about the maintenance,
right and making sure that your your body. Yeah, can
handle that that long twenty two episode run without breaking
down like halfway because of what do you do? Yeah,
I mean the whole production would would have to shut
down for a while.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
So yeah, and twenty two, I mean twenty two episodes.
That's not the norm nowadays either, So like you're really in.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I know, I remember, Yeah, people are like twenty two, Holy.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Count you get a five episode mini series.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I know you're right, eight here, ten year. Yeah, but
I think twenty two is I remember when that used
to be the norm, Like you know, the West Wing
did like twenty two a year or something like that,
and that all those shows would do like twenty twenty two,
twenty four. So maybe we'll get back to that. We'll see, Yeah,
we'll see. Yeah, you're be knowing it.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
So how does leading a show like Tracker differ from
when you're part of an ensemble like This is Us
Because it's very different role responsibility.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
It's a very different thing. You're right, well, the time,
the time that you have to put in on the
time on set is a lot different. And yeah, you're
carrying you know. I don't want to say all of
it because my co stars do a lot of it
as well, but you're carrying a big, huge bag. And
when you're on a show like this, is us that
(21:16):
it is spread up. I mean they serve the writing
service to all those characters, so you really are sharing
the load with pretty much everybody. I don't know which
one I perform. I mean I love what I do now.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, even with all the pressure.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, because you know, like I said, the pressure, I
really want our audience to I want to be on
a show that is appointment television. I want people to
look forward to Sunday nights at nine when they can
sit down and watch this show. And I think you
can watch it with your kids, with your parents, with
(21:53):
your neighbors, and you can talk about it later because
everyone's watching it. I love being a part of something
like that. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. Yeah. It's
not that you work harder on something that's successful than
you do that that's something that's not successful. You work
just as hard. So cause I've had some pilots that
didn't go and things like that, and it's not because
I didn't work hard on them. It's just whatever, whatever
(22:14):
reason they didn't go. But it's nice that when you're
putting all that effort in people are enjoying it. Yeah,
it's very fulfilling, and I love the fact that people
look forward to our show.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Oh my god, it's like you said, appointment TV. I
love it And I can't believe we're already nearing the
end of the season.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Incredible right now.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
He's coming up in a couple of weeks. Yeah, I
know you can't say a ton, but can you give
us anything to tease us with? What's what's gonna happen?
What's gonna god' to tay the whole thing?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Great? Tell me. Yeah, So we've been telling this story
about the family, but the father is untimely death, and
culture's had this sort of carrying this this whole life,
and he starts to investigate it a little bit more
and he's getting to the bottom of what might have happened,
and as is our audience, we've kind of been leaking
(23:01):
little parts of it to them as well. And so
this season this will be we'll we'll tell that story.
You'll finally get the answer to all of that, which
I think people are really looking forward to. And I
think the timing is perfect too. Yeah, because we knew
we wanted to tell the story in a certain way,
and it just sort of happened that it was told
in like trickled throughout the first three seasons. But we
didn't want to. We didn't want to, you know, drag
(23:23):
it out for the sake of dragging it out. So
it's like, well, we'll learn, we'll discover as we're going.
When is the right time to sort of end this storyline,
get all the answers that we were you know, that
we were seeking, and the end of this season is
probably that time.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Okay, Yeah, did I read that Jensen Accles will be
in the finale too?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
He is, Yeah, he's in the final two. Okay, Yeah,
we did back to back with him. People love that character.
He's great.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
It seems like you guys have a true like romance,
like he's just along. We've known, we've known each other
for oh god, when I was on Smallville.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
He was on a show called Supernatural, which everyone watched,
and I think he did that show for like three
hundred years or something. He But so I've known those
guys for a really really long time. Never had a
chance to work with them, either one of them until
this because they're all so busy and I'm doing something,
you know, but this was just kind of a perfect,
a perfect opportunity, and it just so happened that he
(24:16):
was available at that time, and because you know, the
man does like nine shows at a time, so for
whatever reason, he had that week off or something. So
he came and he played with us for a week,
and then we brought him back and we brought it
back again, and so now he's become like a mainstay
on the show. And it's nice. We have a lot
of fun together.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
I mean, your dynamic is so good, seeing like what's
going to happen between the two of you.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
He's great.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, it's amazing that the CW days is what kind
of brought out with each other's world. But you never
there was never a crossover with Smallville Supernatural, like you
never did Supernatural.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
He never knew he did. He did small but he
was on Smallville. Was it a year he did on
that show. I don't know. I think he might have
done it before I was on it. And then he
went and did his show. And then when he went
and did his show.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Got a on Small Black Thin a year after or something,
So that's when I met him. So we met all
those guys, good.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Old c W Days or W whatever it was called
back then.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Both.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, that's so cool.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Do you have saying who joins the series?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Oh yeah you do? Yeah yeah, yeah, so you cast sure.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well that happened because he and it just so happened
that he had he had worked with Elwood, our head writer.
He had worked with Elwood before. I didn't know that.
And how it happened was he just he sent me
a text and the show was launching. They kept promoting
it during the Super Bowl football games and stuff like that,
and and he just sent me to tell you, I'm
trying to watch football. I keep seeing your ugly mud
(25:37):
pop up on my screen. What's going on here? Can
I just watch the game without seeing? I go, do
you want to complain? My brother? And he's he goes
when and where? And that's how it started, no way, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Because you already knew that role was coming up.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, it was written. We were trying to figure out who, like,
who could it be? Who could it be? And I
had always had him sort of in mind, but he's
so damn busy all the time.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah, and it ended up working out. Yeah, it was great,
that's amazing. Happened on attacks during the super Bowl. Incredible, right,
little flex that your show is being promoted all throughout
the Super Bowl. Yeah, well premiered after the Super Bowl,
that's right. And then we h which, by the way,
you never know how that can go. People are gonna
continue watching.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Well, you never know how that's going to go because
it's like, you know, you're going to get a huge
number because it's the NFL, it's a super Bowl. And
this particular one was Travis Kelcey was playing and Taylor
Swift showed up at the game and I was literally
I was like, if she shows up to this game,
I'm like And then she showed up to the game
(26:32):
and I was like, it's over. We're all set. We're
gonna get nine hundred billion views. This is going to
be crazy because they're going to cut to her a
couple of times and the world's going to go insane.
This is great. And then the game went into overtime
and I was like no, and then it kept going
and I think we premiered at like eleven thirty or something,
but we did good. Yeah, we did great. And then
(26:53):
you always wonder something like that. I mean, are the
number is going to sustain because that's an inflated number. Ways,
it's just it just is the super Bowl is the
Super Bowl? Do you wonder what the real number is
going to be? So like like episode two, three and four,
that's what I was looking at. What's the real number
going to be? You know? Yeah, And we've been able
to maintain that for well three years, three seasons.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
That's no easy feat and a world where content is
being thrown at you left and right, and that's so
much to consume.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
And yeah, I know, hey, I think people find comfort
in this character though. I mean, I think he's a
good man and he goes out and he's he says
he's going to do something and he delivers, and I
think people find comfort in that. You know, he helps people.
It's nice.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
So how do you take time for you? I mean,
you clearly seem to have no life when you're in
production because you're waking up, your shooting, you're memorizing, you're epeing.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, So like, do you.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Have a life while I'm shooting?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
No? No, no, But it's okay. I my life is
I have a life. It's just it's just tracker. Yeah,
And I don't mind it. Yeah, And I have such
a loving, understanding wife. She's so involved in it as well,
Like she reads all the screen and she's got ideas
for stuff. She's brilliant. So I will listen to anybody,
you know, especially brilliant people. But yeah, we do a lot.
(28:08):
We do a lot of that producing and we have
a production company and we do a lot of Our
life is tracker, you know, I'm at work all the time,
and but yeah, we get a couple of months off
in between seasons and I'll kick my feet up and
do kind of nothing. We were talking about a little earlier.
I will literally do nothing for a week. Nothing, Yeah,
float in a pool for a week.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah. But it's good that you have someone like Sophia
to balance things off with and go through this with.
Thanks God is such a weird, unusual thing it is
that you're in it's just his your schedule, everything about
it is not usual, right, right, So to have somebody,
to have a partner, to have your wife be like,
(28:49):
we're in it together.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
And you have to be careful because if you if
you you know people out there, there are workaholics out
there that are for whatever reason, they drown themselves in
their work. Sometimes it's passion and a lot of times
it's to avoid other things. Either way, if you're constantly
involved in your work, you don't have time for much else. Right,
And as an actor, you have to be really careful
(29:10):
because if your work is you, you can become a maniac. Right,
if you're just a man, all I do is work?
Would if you're like, well but all you do but
your work is you? What do you just think about
yourself all day? Really? Right? You could become impossible. So
(29:31):
you have to think about that as well, like what
what is this really? You know, and it's fun and
we have a good time, but it does take a
lot of time.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Well listen, I know, so I'm married to to someone
who's Latino. I know they keep all of us in line.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Oh yeah, oh yeah we know that. Well.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Shout out to Sophia.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I love her.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I met her at ninety second Street one. Yeah, she's wonderful.
Oh she loves you. She's such a good human and she.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Loves you both. She really is, she really is. The
four of us kind of hit it off. Yeah it's great. Yeah,
you guys are great.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
She's great too. I mean we love her. I love
you guys. Do you think how is your idea of love?
How is it morphed or changed since meeting her? M?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Well, keep gosh. People write songs about it, people talk
about it, and I think you want to you want
to believe that everyone has that in their life. You
know that everyone gets to a point where they meet
their soulmate or whatever you want to call it. And
(30:32):
I just it's it's unfortunately, I think a lot of
people don't. I think a lot of people don't, and
that's sad. But when you do have it, man, you
gotta just hold on to it, right, It's so special
and fragile and in some ways and rare, unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
we're a really good She's just she's everything. She's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, no, I share the same sent And then I
just celebrated ten years Mary last week, which you know,
oh heygo.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Great tens tens tns.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Great sounds big, right, Yeah, And yeah, it's when you
have something good, you hold on to it, you really do. Yeah,
And we find that we surround ourselves with people who
truly value their relationships.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah right, yeah, because you want to be around people
who I heard this from my stepdad's name is David,
and he said to me a long, long time ago,
he said, you got to take care of your relationship
and be very protective of who you surround yourself with
and what relationships you surround yourself with, because there will
(31:38):
be people in your life that are in your life
right now and think back ten years ago, right that
just simply when you find the person. There will be
people in your life that you think are your friends
and they simply cannot handle your relationship. You can't handle it, yeah,
and you just got to be like, well you can't
handle it. Yeah. And it's a strange thing, but it's true, true,
(31:59):
it's true. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I'm sure you have experiences and people who have said
things kind of off color to you about your relationship
over the years. We had we had a really good
friend when we are this is totally an aside, but
when we first got together, we had a really good
friend being like give it five years. Oh see, that's
not and I'm like give it five years, Like you
should be rooting for that. Absolutely, that is that is
(32:21):
not a good joke or anything else.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
That's give it five years.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
And was so serious about it. Oh yeah, like it
wasn't it wasn't meant to be a hot He was
like five years enjoy it, while while you have it,
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
That's a that's a little insight as to what that
person's going.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Well, yeah, and we're not friends anymore, shocker, But yeah,
it's about finding people that you really share the same
values with and all of that. So I think it's awesome.
I love love, I love you guys. I think you're
an awesome couple. Thanks, Justin. As we wrap up the
name of the shows, I've never said this before, and
it was boring. So I cover a lot of red
carpets and junk kits. You've been to a million of them,
(32:55):
and you have like two minutes with somebody and you're
kind of I I kind of leave being like, oh man,
it was it was fine.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
It was it was fun.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
But what did we really get out of it? You know,
it wasn't a real conversation. It's the same thing on
every outlook, because every outlet wants the same thing. Yes,
to try to make it my own in my own ways,
but it wasn't and it isn't always the most fulfilling
part of what I do. This is like real conversation,
bringing people on, giving them a chance to say something
that means something to them. So yeah, it's playful what
have you never said before? But it's also like, what
(33:25):
do you want to say that you don't always get
a chance to say that means something to you?
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Well, you know what, I honestly, I just said it
to you. I don't think I've ever said that. What
my dad, my stepdad shared with me, What David said
to me, that that just resonated, made so much sense
to me when he said it. And maybe I should
share that more with people because I like the look
on your face when you're like, yeah, it's just true
and it's not necessarily sad, but it is just true
that you have to when you have a relationship that
(33:52):
you really care about. It could be a friendship, could
be with your mom, your dad, could be with your dog,
any relationship that you have with yourself. There are going
to be people you have to be careful. There are
going to be people that and they're not trying to
sabotage it. They're really not. They're not bad people. They
just can't they can't handle it. And you don't need
(34:14):
to be hearing things like I give it five years
or oh, but you're feeling really good about yourself right now. Huh.
You don't need to be hearing that stuff, you know.
I'm not saying that you should be surrounded by sick
of fans, and that's healthy. But there's certainly a difference between,
like you said, someone rooting for your love and rooting
for your relationship and rooting for you and someone that's
just kind of in a way jealous of what you have. Right.
(34:40):
I've certainly in my life been jealous before, no question.
It's never once serviced me in any way positive at all,
ever be envious or anything like that. I now can
look at someone and really be encouraged by any kind
of you know, wonderful thing that you might do that
(35:01):
would encourage me. I'd be like, see, look he's doing it.
This is awesome, right, look at this guy, or look
look what she did like this this woman fill in
the black blah blah, and look at her. Now, that's encouraging.
That is wonderful. Yes, And that's who you should be
surrounded by. And that's how you should treat other people
and feel with other people's success. And I think that
if you don't feel that way. There's a difference between
(35:23):
being competitive and being envious, and the envy just it's
not good for you, you know, it's not good for the soul.
But yeah, I've never shared that with him. But also
I think, and I don't know if that's that's not
like you know, you know, that's not something that people
go wow, hold on, people probably know that already, but
it's good to hear. Yeah, it's a good reminder. And also, uh, slay. Yeah,
(35:46):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I don't say sleigh, you don't no, no, not me?
Is that popular for your daughter to say it's.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
All the time? I guess, I think so. But you slay.
I think if I understand what.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
It means, it's better than not slag. It seems like
get me better than not slang. And I root for
people to slay. I guess so I'm musa start sla
You're I'm gonna start slaying?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yes, all right?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
To your daughter hearing this thing being so cringe to.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Slay, Yeah, it's a good thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, Justin Hartley, I couldn't enjoy you more every time
you come to hang out.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Thanks brother.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Having Awesome Tracker is out the finale Airs three weeks May.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
We are what are three three four weeks left? We
get three four episodes left.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
I think we have four left, four left, Okay, I
wish I had that information for you to Sunday night.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Sunday night.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I think I think it might be the weekend before
Memorial Day.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
That makes sense, okay.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Anyway, you can look it online, but trackers out now
it's amazing. Catch it in real time appointment television, or
you can stream it. You can stream in a para
mount plus you can stream it as well. And I
hope you get so much deserved time off this summer. Man,
apprecure the four days you get off. Here's hoping. Yeah,
I'll turn my phone off, all right, man Man, thank you,
thank you. I've Never Said This Before is hosted by
(37:04):
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Tommy de Dario
Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with
me Tommy di Dario. My guest today is the brilliantly
talented Justin Hartley, who has been bringing joy to our
screens for decades, from starting off in soaps to cementing
his place in pop culture history through playing Kevin Pearson.
And this is us to showing us as comedic chops
and movies like Bridehard. I mean, this is a man
(00:24):
who can do it all. Justin is currently starring in
the third season of the CBS hit series Tracker, which
is literally one of the hottest shows in all of television.
It's constantly shattering primetime TV records and for good reason.
The show is phenomenal and Justin's a deep dude. Let
me tell you. That's what really striked me in this conversation.
He's thoughtful and really shared today the Justin who's not
(00:45):
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we can get justin to say something that he has
(01:28):
never said before. Justin Hartley, how you doing, my man,
good man, good to see. It's good to see you.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You look good, looking fresh, a little rested. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I feel like you were one of the hardest working
men in show business.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Maybe maybe the labor of love though for sure. Yeah.
You know this, yeah, this show that I'm doing is
just it's it took off and we're just holding on
to it, trying to you know, for dear life. It's
it's been quite a ride.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
It's been fun well, and it's one of the hottest
shows and all televison. And then we're going to dive
into tracker for sure in a bit. But to begin
I want to celebrate how you even got here, because
you've you've kind of you've done it all, I mean soaps,
primetime TV movies, Right, So when you look back at
all of that, what would you say was the turning
point of your career.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I think I've had a few. I've had a few
upsand downs. Actually turning turning point wise, certainly when I,
you know, came to La one hundred million years ago
to start this crazy, you know, this crazy idea that
I had. I guess the best part of that would be,
(02:36):
now that I'm looking back on it, would be how
naive I was to you know, I was just completely
I had no idea about anything. And I think that's
kind of what I needed in order to do this.
I think if I had the information, I don't know
if I would have done it, if I would have
taken that chance. I was lucky enough to get cast
in a soap opera called Passions, a really wacky show. Yeah,
and I kind of cut my teeth on that. On
(02:57):
that show, I was I was taking a classes, I
was in drama school, and but to be on set
and to do something, you know, just that is pushed
out at such a rapid pace really you know, you
sink or swim really quickly on something like that. And
then so that was one, and then did a series
of did a pilot, then did Smallville, So that was
(03:21):
another one. I would say that was a big one
because you know, different audience and people are watching that show.
That show was really zeitgeisty at the time. Was everything.
It was everything, yeah, everything, yeah, yeah. And when I
was on that show, ce W I think was new
because that show was on Warner Brothers, I think, like
the WB network, and then it turned into CW and
(03:42):
or became the CW and so we shot that show,
and then you know, I had my daughter and she
was growing up, and I just started to realize that
I want to be home. I don't want to be
traveling all over the place, you know, with these new jobs,
and he's trying to take a chance on this show
or maybe this pilot will go, and I'm missing some
time with her. She's really young at the time, and
so to to go back to soaps and to young
(04:03):
and the Russels was a great thing for me because
I could be home, I could still work, and I
could be home with her and and spend time with
her and then and that that I mean, gosh, it
seems like it happened so quickly, but it didn't. It
was It was over a long period of time. And
while I was on that show, a friend of mine
handed me this script. It was an untitled Dan Fogelman project,
(04:23):
and I read it and it was this is Us. Yeah,
and I thought, oh, man, I have I have to
get this. I have to try to do everything I
can to get this. And then that was sort of
a whole different, you know, a whole different turning point,
and that changed everything. It really did. It changed everything
in terms of I I I would say, in terms
of people taking me seriously. Really, And it didn't happen
(04:48):
at first because I, you know, when when Kevin, when
they when we entered, when Kevin got introduced to the
world on This is Us, he was sort of this
cad guy that was lost and he I mean, we
found him at his own birth. They party with his
shirt off with two women on a bed. House is
packed with people, and I in my head was looking
around thinking, I bet you this guy Kevin doesn't know
(05:08):
any of these people. And it's funny because he's got
a brother and sister they're not there, right, and he's
got you know, his mom's no one's there. And then
throughout the course of the show, as you know, there's
the richness and that. I mean, this guy grew up
turned into a man right before our very eyes. And
if you look at the way he was, you know
(05:29):
how we found him, how we discovered him versus how
we left him. At the end, it was just like wow,
what I mean, what an arc? What an opportunity you know,
to have somebody like Dan Fogelman writing that for you
is is in every way wonderful and fulfilling and at
the same time terrifying because it's such good writing. There
were times where you you know, I'm looking at the
(05:51):
script and I'm going, okay, I mean this is it.
It's right there, so you know, everything's right there for me. Wow,
it was a wonderful experience. And then Tracker and I'm
producing my own show. Yeah yeah, working with studios and
networks is great.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, I mean, what a career man. And This is
Us specifically was a show that everybody I feel like
was talking about. It was in being played in every household.
Many different generations were tuning in, which I think is
a magical thing. When that happens, It's not the case
for every kind of show. Absolutely, and the same with
Tracker of course. So what do you think it was about?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
This is Us?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Why was it so popular?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Well, I think no matter where you stood in life,
no matter how you saw yourself, no matter how you
thought you were perceived, your background, where you came from,
if you were a man, a woman, black, straight, gay, old, young, introvert, extra,
(06:48):
I think there was something there for everybody. I really
do feel like that show spoke to everybody. And I
think that, you know, at least for me when I
watched the show, because it's an ensemble show, there were
moments on that show that I wasn't there for, right,
So when I'm watching the episodes, I'm watching also as
a fan, yeah, you know, to see the other storylines
(07:10):
and how the and it just the show spoke to me.
It spoke to everybody, I think in a very good
positive way. And I think it left people feeling good
and like and and hopeful and like maybe there there's
more to this, and and left people with a also. Man,
(07:31):
I have had people walk up to me and say,
you know, I called I haven't talked to my dad
in five years. I called my dad because of this
this episode, and and we we we've been talking for
three months and it's been great. And now oh I
and now he knows his grandkids and it's just great.
I mean, how a show can do that. It's it's
it's remarkable. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And the cast. I feel like you guys collectively were
such a unit. We were, and it's cool to see
you guys still out and about or when reunite or
hang out like it. It feels like that was a
magical part of it, too unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
And I and and they're also different. We're all so
very different, but we had this this common thing that
was the show. And we were also at a point
in our lives where I think, you know, and it's
no fault of their own. I think young people are
they get a bad rap sometimes for being immature while
they're young. I think a lot of young people are
(08:19):
more way more mature than we give them credit for.
Back when I was, you know, in my teen late
teens and early twenties, I don't know if I would
have appreciated something like This is Us if I was
on it as much as I did when I was older,
and these these young kids now were thrust into this,
you know, social media and all this stuff. I don't
know if that's the case now, maybe they would appreciate it,
(08:39):
But back in my day, I just don't know if
I would have been ready to appreciate something like that.
And I think we were all in a place where
we all understood what we had, which was great, and
how special this this was. And so I remember, I
remember it like it was yesterday and it'll be with
me forever, which is which is which is really kind
(09:00):
of a nice, kind of a nice thing.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, you know, and I think it's pretty cool that
you and Sterling K. Brown are both playing these badass
characters right now in your careers, right and Tracker and
then yeah, yeah change it up a little bit. Yeah,
like you're both playing these no more arguments on the
front lawn. No, No, it's total badass.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, yeah, pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Do you guys ever talk about that like what we have.
We have talked about it a little bit, you know,
we get a kick out of it. But yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I mean, you know, to have the opportunity to jump
around and do different things as an actor is kind
of the goal.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, and you have major cool points with your daughter
now for that show. Right, she's at an age watching
it and liking it, and oh yeah she thinks that's cool. Yeah, yeah,
she better, that's what she tells me. Well, then you're
cool there you go. Well, yeah, that's amazing. Well now,
I mean you switch gears. You're totally different show, totally
different vibe with Tracker. I know you're really proud of it.
You starry at you executive produce it. Those are two
(09:50):
big hats to wear, right, So how how does that
dictate or feed into the performance that you do wearing
two different hats.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well, I get a lot of help. So that's good.
I'm surrounded by by some really smart, good people that
have done this for a really long time and that
are willing to share their knowledge with me. So I've
gone to I've gone to school a bit. I told him,
I was like, take me to show me, show me
the way. But but yeah, you know, it's freeing in
(10:20):
a way to have that amount of creative control and
creative input about the show and my character and the
direction of it and all of that, and then also
to be in lockstep with with my other producers who
are there behind the scenes doing all this stuff while
I'm on screen. I mean, I can't. I can only
do one thing at a time, right, So they're doing
all that's all that other stuff and kind of filling
(10:42):
me in as we go. And but yeah, to be
able to have a conversation with Ellwood, our showrunner, our
head writer about character and about oh, this would be
a fun storyline, or what about shifting it going this way?
And he's just so collaborative, and to get those calls
from him and be like, oh, I was thinking about this,
and oh that's you know, it just kind of brainstormed
(11:03):
each other. It's it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Well, you're also a perfectionist too. I remember when I
hosted in the ninety second Street Y, which was where
we met, and we screened an episode and the audience
was watching it first, and we were backstage and you
hadn't seen the shot yet and it was some nighttime shot.
I forget what episode it was. You hadn't seen it yet,
and you were like glued to the TV analyzing the
angle of the camera.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
It was the truck coming in. It was one shot
in the truck was coming and yeah, and see.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah, so you have that mind where it's like you're
so in tune with the details. Maybe it's because you
are on EP and it's your baby and you put
so much into it, but that's it seems like that's
how you operate it is.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I love it. I just love and I just figure like, man,
if you can make it great, why not make it great?
Why make it at all? If you can't make it
you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I just don't.
You know, the idea of doing something just to do
it is sort of you know, it puts me to sleep. Really,
it's a really fun show.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Thanks and thanks season one to now You've evolved, You've changed, right, Yeah,
character he's a bit of a lone wolf, but yep,
we're seeing different layers of him and learning more about
him and all of that. So how would you say
that journey has been for you to play and where
he is today?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Well, that's the beautiful part of character work is when
you see the character evolve and grow or even devolve
whatever change in any way. That's a really great thing
to have as an actor. So to have a show
that is a procedural show as a very big procedural
(12:32):
element to it, but also it's underlying sort of serialized
element as well. And to see him have these relationships
with these strangers and all of those relationships affect him
going forward, like how he views people, how he views
the world, you know, how he saw the world before
was a little bit more. Oh, I think he was
a bit you know, people are born everybody's good, right,
(12:55):
People are born good. People are inherently good. And I
don't know if that's what he would say right now,
given everything he's seen, the relationships from his past that
come along, things that he found out about his father,
his brother. He's now got closer tie with his brother,
which is nice. So he's got a he's got a
some semblance of a family that's not you know, makeshift
or put together or a bunch of strangers. So he's
(13:16):
he's come a long way, but yet he's still seeking
out that adventure and that you know. I just love
the idea of here's a guy who a bit of
a hero, you know, and risking his life and I
always just sort of think, what would what would that
(13:36):
mean if he was if he was not single? For instance?
Now is he is? He? Is he a hero? Still
or is he being selfish? Do you know what I mean? Yeah,
it's an interesting thought, and I don't know if I
have a take on that yet, but that's something that
I've thought about well.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And I think he's going to be a totally different
version of himself by the final episode of Whenever That
Day Comes. Yeah, I think it's going to be like
looking at season one and looking at that guy and.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Just like sort of closing the scrapbook and being like, Okay, different, different,
different time.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, that's what's so cool about what you do. I mean,
I imagine that's the gratifying part. You don't want to
be the same.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
No, no, and yeah, because it's sort of that it
becomes like kind of stale, you know what I mean.
But to get to evolve, and like I said, all
of those things that he goes through and those relationships
that he that he forges along the way, and the
people that he meets from all different walks of life
affect the way that he is going forward and how
he thinks of people, how he thinks of himself. I think,
how how he thinks of the way people perceive him,
(14:37):
you know, because sometimes people will tell you something about
yourself right, And you'll be in a group and you'll
be like, that's not at all me, and but then
everyone else is agreeing with them, and they're like, yeah,
you are, and you're like I am since when they're like,
you've always been that way. It's just interesting, isn't it
how people perceive you?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, what has been the most emotionally demanding thing you've
had to do in this entire series?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
In Tracker? Yeah, I think we do a bunch of
stuff about his family, his father passing away, the series
of unfortunate events that led to that, and the mystery
(15:18):
behind it, and all of these these people who seem
to know more about it than he does. Why And
then he gets an answer that you know, one of
the answers is well, we're protecting you, and I'm like
good cultures, Like from what what is this big secret?
You know? When he finally gets that answer, it's pretty devastating.
(15:41):
But then he's got to go do something about it, right,
So that and then also again it's the family stuff,
but he blamed his brother for his father's death for years,
for two decades, nearly come to find out he was wrong,
And so there's the guilt of that, the relationship that
would have been with his brother that he didn't have
(16:02):
because these things that he believed that weren't true, why
his mother lied to him, so all of that stuff.
There was a there was a scene where Colter finally
apologizes to his brother for that, and that got really
that got really emotional, you know. And it's nothing but
two guys sitting there and one guy telling another guy
(16:24):
with with with his whole heart that he apologizes and
he's sorry and there's really nothing he can do about
it except say I'm sorry and he mean it, and
and the other brother looking at him with all the
pain that that caused and saying I forgive you. And
that's It's that simple. But it's just like that that
is overwhelming, you know, or it can be.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
It's powerful. It's one of the hardest things I think
somebody can do.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Mm say you're sorry and mean it, or or say
you're forgiven? Which one did you mean both? But I
think forgiving someone h is be very difficult. Yeah, it's
interesting because the thing about that forgiveness you the person
who got hurt. The person who's forgiving has to be
(17:14):
in a way the one who kind of eats it, right,
and the person who I mean because the person who
says I'm sorry, they've said what they did and they
and they're apologizing. But in order to continue the relationship
in a healthy way, if you're really forgiving someone, that
means that means the whole thing. Right, So you're the
one that has to burden that again, even though you
(17:36):
were the one that got hurt. That's typically how that works, right.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, it's an interesting thing. Yeah, but that's very human. Yeah,
it's something we all go through. And to your point,
it's it's cool to see your character in these situations
where that concept and that theme is being brought up,
especially with the dichotomy of how physical your role is.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Right I now there's that too. You kick ass, You
do all.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
The physical things and stunts and all of that. So
to have a mixture of that and the emotion it's
really cool.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah. I think it's I think I always say we've
got to make sure we earn the physical stuff. It
can't just be this guy running around just doing cool
physical like just cool, badass physical stuff. We have to
earn that stuff, you know, And I think we earn
it through Like I want people to really care about
this guy. If they don't care about this guy that
we've lost, we've lost everything. They really have to care
(18:23):
about this guy. And in order for that to happen,
this guy has to really care about these people that
he's helping, truly, and because if he doesn't, we don't
really care about him. Right. So, I think that's the
linch point of our show right there, right.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
It makes sense. And I feel like every season you
won up your fitness game. If you come back every
season like more in shape, more ready to go.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Well I have, I have. So what happens, I'll tell
you the truth. My schedule gets completely insane during the
filming of Tracker, and it's about a ten month shoot,
is it nine and a half or ten months shoot?
Something like that. And in that time I have to
make time, find time, as you know, to work out,
you have to. There are also things in my life.
(19:07):
Life also goes on, right. I have a lovely, beautiful
wife that I want to spend time with as well.
I have to you know, be on the show memorized
lines of course, and then there's all the producing stuff
that goes along with that. There's just a lot going on.
My daughter, everything but I have to find time to
work out when those two months that I'm off. When
you say, like I come back at the next season,
I'm like, oh, I have all the time in the world. Yeah,
(19:28):
so I can. I could just spend you know, half
the day in the gym if I want to, or
an hour a day, whatever it takes. So it's just
that's what that's all that is. It's me going, oh,
I think I've lost another two pounds. You know, my
body would just if I don't work out, I'll just
turn into a raisin.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
So you're saying at like season episode one of a
new season to finale of that same season, we see
a little transformation over time because you have less time,
you can tell you our own hard heart like hardest critics,
I think, so you know what I mean, no one
can tell. But yeah, I mean it's a very physical role.
You got to be in shape. You got it also,
not just aesthetically, but to not injure yourself right exactly
sure you're you can handle.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well, that's that's a big part of it too, is
like you said, not just the aesthetics. It's about the maintenance,
right and making sure that your your body. Yeah, can
handle that that long twenty two episode run without breaking
down like halfway because of what do you do? Yeah,
I mean the whole production would would have to shut
down for a while.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
So yeah, and twenty two, I mean twenty two episodes.
That's not the norm nowadays either, So like you're really in.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I know, I remember, Yeah, people are like twenty two, Holy.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Count you get a five episode mini series.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I know you're right, eight here, ten year. Yeah, but
I think twenty two is I remember when that used
to be the norm, Like you know, the West Wing
did like twenty two a year or something like that,
and that all those shows would do like twenty twenty two,
twenty four. So maybe we'll get back to that. We'll see, Yeah,
we'll see. Yeah, you're be knowing it.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
So how does leading a show like Tracker differ from
when you're part of an ensemble like This is Us
Because it's very different role responsibility.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
It's a very different thing. You're right, well, the time,
the time that you have to put in on the
time on set is a lot different. And yeah, you're
carrying you know. I don't want to say all of
it because my co stars do a lot of it
as well, but you're carrying a big, huge bag. And
when you're on a show like this, is us that
(21:16):
it is spread up. I mean they serve the writing
service to all those characters, so you really are sharing
the load with pretty much everybody. I don't know which
one I perform. I mean I love what I do now.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, even with all the pressure.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, because you know, like I said, the pressure, I
really want our audience to I want to be on
a show that is appointment television. I want people to
look forward to Sunday nights at nine when they can
sit down and watch this show. And I think you
can watch it with your kids, with your parents, with
(21:53):
your neighbors, and you can talk about it later because
everyone's watching it. I love being a part of something
like that. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. Yeah. It's
not that you work harder on something that's successful than
you do that that's something that's not successful. You work
just as hard. So cause I've had some pilots that
didn't go and things like that, and it's not because
I didn't work hard on them. It's just whatever, whatever
(22:14):
reason they didn't go. But it's nice that when you're
putting all that effort in people are enjoying it. Yeah,
it's very fulfilling, and I love the fact that people
look forward to our show.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Oh my god, it's like you said, appointment TV. I
love it And I can't believe we're already nearing the
end of the season.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Incredible right now.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
He's coming up in a couple of weeks. Yeah, I
know you can't say a ton, but can you give
us anything to tease us with? What's what's gonna happen?
What's gonna god' to tay the whole thing?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Great? Tell me. Yeah, So we've been telling this story
about the family, but the father is untimely death, and
culture's had this sort of carrying this this whole life,
and he starts to investigate it a little bit more
and he's getting to the bottom of what might have happened,
and as is our audience, we've kind of been leaking
(23:01):
little parts of it to them as well. And so
this season this will be we'll we'll tell that story.
You'll finally get the answer to all of that, which
I think people are really looking forward to. And I
think the timing is perfect too. Yeah, because we knew
we wanted to tell the story in a certain way,
and it just sort of happened that it was told
in like trickled throughout the first three seasons. But we
didn't want to. We didn't want to, you know, drag
(23:23):
it out for the sake of dragging it out. So
it's like, well, we'll learn, we'll discover as we're going.
When is the right time to sort of end this storyline,
get all the answers that we were you know, that
we were seeking, and the end of this season is
probably that time.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Okay, Yeah, did I read that Jensen Accles will be
in the finale too?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
He is, Yeah, he's in the final two. Okay, Yeah,
we did back to back with him. People love that character.
He's great.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
It seems like you guys have a true like romance,
like he's just along. We've known, we've known each other
for oh god, when I was on Smallville.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
He was on a show called Supernatural, which everyone watched,
and I think he did that show for like three
hundred years or something. He But so I've known those
guys for a really really long time. Never had a
chance to work with them, either one of them until
this because they're all so busy and I'm doing something,
you know, but this was just kind of a perfect,
a perfect opportunity, and it just so happened that he
(24:16):
was available at that time, and because you know, the
man does like nine shows at a time, so for
whatever reason, he had that week off or something. So
he came and he played with us for a week,
and then we brought him back and we brought it
back again, and so now he's become like a mainstay
on the show. And it's nice. We have a lot
of fun together.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
I mean, your dynamic is so good, seeing like what's
going to happen between the two of you.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
He's great.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, it's amazing that the CW days is what kind
of brought out with each other's world. But you never
there was never a crossover with Smallville Supernatural, like you
never did Supernatural.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
He never knew he did. He did small but he
was on Smallville. Was it a year he did on
that show. I don't know. I think he might have
done it before I was on it. And then he
went and did his show. And then when he went
and did his show.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Got a on Small Black Thin a year after or something,
So that's when I met him. So we met all
those guys, good.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Old c W Days or W whatever it was called
back then.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Both.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, that's so cool.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Do you have saying who joins the series?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Oh yeah you do? Yeah yeah, yeah, so you cast sure.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well that happened because he and it just so happened
that he had he had worked with Elwood, our head writer.
He had worked with Elwood before. I didn't know that.
And how it happened was he just he sent me
a text and the show was launching. They kept promoting
it during the Super Bowl football games and stuff like that,
and and he just sent me to tell you, I'm
trying to watch football. I keep seeing your ugly mud
(25:37):
pop up on my screen. What's going on here? Can
I just watch the game without seeing? I go, do
you want to complain? My brother? And he's he goes
when and where? And that's how it started, no way, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Because you already knew that role was coming up.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, it was written. We were trying to figure out who, like,
who could it be? Who could it be? And I
had always had him sort of in mind, but he's
so damn busy all the time.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah, and it ended up working out. Yeah, it was great,
that's amazing. Happened on attacks during the super Bowl. Incredible, right,
little flex that your show is being promoted all throughout
the Super Bowl. Yeah, well premiered after the Super Bowl,
that's right. And then we h which, by the way,
you never know how that can go. People are gonna
continue watching.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Well, you never know how that's going to go because
it's like, you know, you're going to get a huge
number because it's the NFL, it's a super Bowl. And
this particular one was Travis Kelcey was playing and Taylor
Swift showed up at the game and I was literally
I was like, if she shows up to this game,
I'm like And then she showed up to the game
(26:32):
and I was like, it's over. We're all set. We're
gonna get nine hundred billion views. This is going to
be crazy because they're going to cut to her a
couple of times and the world's going to go insane.
This is great. And then the game went into overtime
and I was like no, and then it kept going
and I think we premiered at like eleven thirty or something,
but we did good. Yeah, we did great. And then
(26:53):
you always wonder something like that. I mean, are the
number is going to sustain because that's an inflated number. Ways,
it's just it just is the super Bowl is the
Super Bowl? Do you wonder what the real number is
going to be? So like like episode two, three and four,
that's what I was looking at. What's the real number
going to be? You know? Yeah, And we've been able
to maintain that for well three years, three seasons.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
That's no easy feat and a world where content is
being thrown at you left and right, and that's so
much to consume.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
And yeah, I know, hey, I think people find comfort
in this character though. I mean, I think he's a
good man and he goes out and he's he says
he's going to do something and he delivers, and I
think people find comfort in that. You know, he helps people.
It's nice.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
So how do you take time for you? I mean,
you clearly seem to have no life when you're in
production because you're waking up, your shooting, you're memorizing, you're epeing.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, So like, do you.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Have a life while I'm shooting?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
No? No, no, But it's okay. I my life is
I have a life. It's just it's just tracker. Yeah,
And I don't mind it. Yeah, And I have such
a loving, understanding wife. She's so involved in it as well,
Like she reads all the screen and she's got ideas
for stuff. She's brilliant. So I will listen to anybody,
you know, especially brilliant people. But yeah, we do a lot.
(28:08):
We do a lot of that producing and we have
a production company and we do a lot of Our
life is tracker, you know, I'm at work all the time,
and but yeah, we get a couple of months off
in between seasons and I'll kick my feet up and
do kind of nothing. We were talking about a little earlier.
I will literally do nothing for a week. Nothing, Yeah,
float in a pool for a week.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah. But it's good that you have someone like Sophia
to balance things off with and go through this with.
Thanks God is such a weird, unusual thing it is
that you're in it's just his your schedule, everything about
it is not usual, right, right, So to have somebody,
to have a partner, to have your wife be like,
(28:49):
we're in it together.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
And you have to be careful because if you if
you you know people out there, there are workaholics out
there that are for whatever reason, they drown themselves in
their work. Sometimes it's passion and a lot of times
it's to avoid other things. Either way, if you're constantly
involved in your work, you don't have time for much else. Right,
And as an actor, you have to be really careful
(29:10):
because if your work is you, you can become a maniac. Right,
if you're just a man, all I do is work?
Would if you're like, well but all you do but
your work is you? What do you just think about
yourself all day? Really? Right? You could become impossible. So
(29:31):
you have to think about that as well, like what
what is this really? You know, and it's fun and
we have a good time, but it does take a
lot of time.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Well listen, I know, so I'm married to to someone
who's Latino. I know they keep all of us in line.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Oh yeah, oh yeah we know that. Well.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Shout out to Sophia.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I love her.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I met her at ninety second Street one. Yeah, she's wonderful.
Oh she loves you. She's such a good human and she.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Loves you both. She really is, she really is. The
four of us kind of hit it off. Yeah it's great. Yeah,
you guys are great.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
She's great too. I mean we love her. I love
you guys. Do you think how is your idea of love?
How is it morphed or changed since meeting her? M?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Well, keep gosh. People write songs about it, people talk
about it, and I think you want to you want
to believe that everyone has that in their life. You
know that everyone gets to a point where they meet
their soulmate or whatever you want to call it. And
(30:32):
I just it's it's unfortunately, I think a lot of
people don't. I think a lot of people don't, and
that's sad. But when you do have it, man, you
gotta just hold on to it, right, It's so special
and fragile and in some ways and rare, unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
we're a really good She's just she's everything. She's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, no, I share the same sent And then I
just celebrated ten years Mary last week, which you know,
oh heygo.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Great tens tens tns.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Great sounds big, right, Yeah, And yeah, it's when you
have something good, you hold on to it, you really do. Yeah,
And we find that we surround ourselves with people who
truly value their relationships.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah right, yeah, because you want to be around people
who I heard this from my stepdad's name is David,
and he said to me a long, long time ago,
he said, you got to take care of your relationship
and be very protective of who you surround yourself with
and what relationships you surround yourself with, because there will
(31:38):
be people in your life that are in your life
right now and think back ten years ago, right that
just simply when you find the person. There will be
people in your life that you think are your friends
and they simply cannot handle your relationship. You can't handle it, yeah,
and you just got to be like, well you can't
handle it. Yeah. And it's a strange thing, but it's true, true,
(31:59):
it's true. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I'm sure you have experiences and people who have said
things kind of off color to you about your relationship
over the years. We had we had a really good
friend when we are this is totally an aside, but
when we first got together, we had a really good
friend being like give it five years. Oh see, that's
not and I'm like give it five years, Like you
should be rooting for that. Absolutely, that is that is
(32:21):
not a good joke or anything else.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
That's give it five years.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
And was so serious about it. Oh yeah, like it
wasn't it wasn't meant to be a hot He was
like five years enjoy it, while while you have it,
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
That's a that's a little insight as to what that
person's going.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Well, yeah, and we're not friends anymore, shocker, But yeah,
it's about finding people that you really share the same
values with and all of that. So I think it's awesome.
I love love, I love you guys. I think you're
an awesome couple. Thanks, Justin. As we wrap up the
name of the shows, I've never said this before, and
it was boring. So I cover a lot of red
carpets and junk kits. You've been to a million of them,
(32:55):
and you have like two minutes with somebody and you're
kind of I I kind of leave being like, oh man,
it was it was fine.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
It was it was fun.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
But what did we really get out of it? You know,
it wasn't a real conversation. It's the same thing on
every outlook, because every outlet wants the same thing. Yes,
to try to make it my own in my own ways,
but it wasn't and it isn't always the most fulfilling
part of what I do. This is like real conversation,
bringing people on, giving them a chance to say something
that means something to them. So yeah, it's playful what
have you never said before? But it's also like, what
(33:25):
do you want to say that you don't always get
a chance to say that means something to you?
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Well, you know what, I honestly, I just said it
to you. I don't think I've ever said that. What
my dad, my stepdad shared with me, What David said
to me, that that just resonated, made so much sense
to me when he said it. And maybe I should
share that more with people because I like the look
on your face when you're like, yeah, it's just true
and it's not necessarily sad, but it is just true
that you have to when you have a relationship that
(33:52):
you really care about. It could be a friendship, could
be with your mom, your dad, could be with your dog,
any relationship that you have with yourself. There are going
to be people you have to be careful. There are
going to be people that and they're not trying to
sabotage it. They're really not. They're not bad people. They
just can't they can't handle it. And you don't need
(34:14):
to be hearing things like I give it five years
or oh, but you're feeling really good about yourself right now. Huh.
You don't need to be hearing that stuff, you know.
I'm not saying that you should be surrounded by sick
of fans, and that's healthy. But there's certainly a difference between,
like you said, someone rooting for your love and rooting
for your relationship and rooting for you and someone that's
just kind of in a way jealous of what you have. Right.
(34:40):
I've certainly in my life been jealous before, no question.
It's never once serviced me in any way positive at all,
ever be envious or anything like that. I now can
look at someone and really be encouraged by any kind
of you know, wonderful thing that you might do that
(35:01):
would encourage me. I'd be like, see, look he's doing it.
This is awesome, right, look at this guy, or look
look what she did like this this woman fill in
the black blah blah, and look at her. Now, that's encouraging.
That is wonderful. Yes, And that's who you should be
surrounded by. And that's how you should treat other people
and feel with other people's success. And I think that
if you don't feel that way. There's a difference between
(35:23):
being competitive and being envious, and the envy just it's
not good for you, you know, it's not good for the soul.
But yeah, I've never shared that with him. But also
I think, and I don't know if that's that's not
like you know, you know, that's not something that people
go wow, hold on, people probably know that already, but
it's good to hear. Yeah, it's a good reminder. And also, uh, slay. Yeah,
(35:46):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I don't say sleigh, you don't no, no, not me?
Is that popular for your daughter to say it's.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
All the time? I guess, I think so. But you slay.
I think if I understand what.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
It means, it's better than not slag. It seems like
get me better than not slang. And I root for
people to slay. I guess so I'm musa start sla
You're I'm gonna start slaying?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yes, all right?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
To your daughter hearing this thing being so cringe to.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Slay, Yeah, it's a good thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, Justin Hartley, I couldn't enjoy you more every time
you come to hang out.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Thanks brother.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Having Awesome Tracker is out the finale Airs three weeks May.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
We are what are three three four weeks left? We
get three four episodes left.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
I think we have four left, four left, Okay, I
wish I had that information for you to Sunday night.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Sunday night.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I think I think it might be the weekend before
Memorial Day.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
That makes sense, okay.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Anyway, you can look it online, but trackers out now
it's amazing. Catch it in real time appointment television, or
you can stream it. You can stream in a para
mount plus you can stream it as well. And I
hope you get so much deserved time off this summer. Man,
apprecure the four days you get off. Here's hoping. Yeah,
I'll turn my phone off, all right, man Man, thank you,
thank you. I've Never Said This Before is hosted by
(37:04):
me Tommy de Dario. This podcast is executive produced by
Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio and by me Tommy, with editing
by Joshua Colaudney. I've Never Said This Before is part
of the Elvis Duran podcast network on iHeart Podcasts. For more,
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liked this episode, tell your friends. Until next time. I'm
(37:27):
Tommy de Dario
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