September 2, 2026 • 49 mins
This week on What Are We Even Doing?, we’re throwing it back to one of our favorite episodes with comedian, writer, actor, podcast host, and producer Benito Skinner aka Benny Drama. They unpack what it’s like working together and growing up in the Northwest, ideas for the second season of Overcompensating, and how Benny created the original characters and viral celebrity impersonations that jumpstarted his career. Don’t miss father and son reveal who and what inspired them to pursue acting, how they get into character, and a custom segment that requires eyewear.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
We didn't even eat you at all. We didn't even
eat you at all.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm here with Daddy. Ah. Daddy's looking good.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
You're my hero.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I didn't know you were a dick yet. Very similar
to golf.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Radio DJ.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is my fourth wall. This is my fleabag camera.
I can't really wake up before seven unless it's for overcompensating.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
And you have some exciting news about that. We're doing
season two.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Like, are you thick? Like, your son's gay. And to
that I say, why are you watching? Yeah, I've been
thinking about the Oregon coast a lot lately.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Do the dogs become really important? Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
With a little bob. Well, any excuse to wear a wig.
That's the face of Balenciaga. Do you guys get that? Hey,
he's no Trey McDougal. No, no, relax. We shouldn't be
allowed to podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
No, we shouldn't. By the way, ladies and gentlemen, this
is What Are We Even Doing? And we're here with
Benny Drama. I'm here with Daddy. Ah, bless you. We
just heard some really, really good news we're going to
get to. So, as you know, we are interviewing actors,
creators of all type about their world, their creative world,
how they use social media, what's happening. We get weird
together in a good way. And today we have, and
I'm going to do a proper introduction, brilliant comedian, writer, actor,
(01:06):
podcast host, Idahoan.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Oh, yeah. Well, people always say that first. They say
that before actor. Of course they do.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Of course they do. And my on-screen biological son.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yes, blood relative. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Almost, only because you're from Boise and I'm from Yakima.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And we can talk about the similarities.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
There's a relation somewhere.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
There is definitely a cross over there. I am happy, happy,
happy to be here with you. You're my hero. Oh,
bless your heart. Bless your heart.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So we do podcasts together a lot. This is kind
of our thing now.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I think it could be.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Because we did the one for A24.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, exclusive.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It was. I loved it.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Fantastic.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Talking about overcompensating.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
So fun.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
And you have some exciting news about that.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I do.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
That I think we can share.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah. We're doing season two.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
We're going back.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
We're going back, daddy. There's a hundred people here. Yes.
We're in front of a live studio audience. I'm so
excited because I started to tell you a few things
I wanted us to do, but I was just saying like,
you don't want to fall in love too much with
storylines and stuff. I'm like, please just let this happen.
So now I'm just like, I'm a nightmare to have
dinner with right now because I'll just, I'll literally in
(02:11):
the middle of a story, I'll be like, So then
Carmen's trying to get Benny's skinny jeans off.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Right, right, right.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And they're just like, cool, you're not here. It's like
you're already writing.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
You're in the writer's room. You're already working, working, working.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I got to get it.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Are you going to stay here and do the writer's
room here in LA?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
We do. I think we're going to do a little
bit in New York because a few of the writers
are there. Wally and Mary Beth are doing the room
with me as well, which will be so fun. But
we do it on Zoom.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
You know, which is, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So we kind of, I think we're going to do
a mix of in-person and zoom this time. Okay. Last
time it was just zoom, which I think was good
for me because I had never done a room before.
So I was like, I needed something like to, you know,
fidget with things.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I was so nervous. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah. I was with like peers and people I've like
looked up to and you just get so.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
You seem to me like you handled yourself really, really well.
I mean, and that's of course watching you during the
filming when I was there and just how you handle
everything and just, you know, like a pro.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
That is so nice to hear you say that because
when you came in, I have never been more nervous.
And the first thing we did was you and my
room changing, like where you.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Put on my clothes.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
And I remember just being like, I had this really
weird moment where I find this all the time, Where
it's like hearing your voice is what really freaked me
out the most. It's like hearing your voice and Connie's voice.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I was like, they're actually here.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
And I just was like fully dissociating mid-scene.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And then also I have the thing too where then
I just start to watch. Like it's so fun because
you've written the words and now you get to watch.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Right, right. Are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Kyle MacLachlan's doing it. And I, so yeah, I'm kind
of like sitting back. I was like, oh fuck, I'm
in the scene with him. I did that at the
dinner table scene too.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You gotta pay attention.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
You're like, oh yeah. I had to engage with you, sorry.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I love an audience. And that was fun too, the
dinner scene. Oh my God. What you had written was
so perfect. I was just like, oh, I'm gonna take
this as far as I can.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
The way you did and. I wrote that with Scott
King and that is one of those scenes. And he
had known, uh, Connie for so like they had worked together.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Oh, I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Okay. Okay. So it was just like, and you were
our dream cast. So it was like, we, I think
that was one of the easiest things to edit. Like
that was one of those things where also the first
time I watched it was what is on screen.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Like it was just like, that scene is so, and
with the lights and we played with the light.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Flickering a lot in post.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
And the one part I broke and I'm so bad,
I break in every scene, but, with.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
The- Dipping their teeth. You know, stuff just kind of happens,
like Invisalign, Invisalign, yeah, yeah. It's just like, I mean,
that was such a brilliant, brilliant idea. I don't know,
you know, you have these things that delay and it's just- Me, I.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Had so many friends' parents who were all doing Invisalign
at the same time.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
No, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And I don't know why, but it was like, I
think maybe for their kids' weddings, they were all like,
I'm getting straight teeth. Getting ready. Like my parents did it,
And then Mary Beth had done it randomly. And then her,
I think maybe her mom had done it. Like just
an assortment of parents. So I was like, let's give
him Invisalign. And I thought maybe, I didn't, I mean,
I assumed you were the best. I didn't know you
(05:14):
were a dick yet. I was just like, I think
he'll be down. And then day one in the trailer,
you were like, trying on my Invisalign.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yes, I'm so excited. It's kind of how I'm going
to talk. It was good. It just informs the character
so much. Those little things that you lay in really
support the character, what you're doing. You know what I mean?
Take it and just make it very easy. So I
was nervous the first day too. I'm walking in, I'm like,
I got to take my shirt off now. And I'm like, okay.
I'm a man of a certain age.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Here we go. I got it from my daddy. Daddy's
looking good. Okay. He's doing the best he can. No,
in the take, I should have gone, shit, dad, you
look good.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
All right.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
That one mile up and down the block, you ate
that up.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Well, yeah, no, I can't.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
We kind of threw you into the deep end there.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
But you were fantastic. I loved it. I loved it.
I love working with Connie. She is so- I had
not worked with her before. I mean, I knew who
she was, of course. She's unbelievable. She has that rare
quality where I can't tell if she knows- that she's
funny or what she just is.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Oh, it's so, you know, it's like, that is such
a perfect way of describing her because it's, I think she,
you know, maybe in the back of her mind knows,
but I think there's something where she like, no, she
has the power in the scene. Cause I always felt
that I'm like, she, it doesn't feel like someone trying
to be seen by the camera in a way. And
I felt the same way with you. It's just like,
(06:31):
it's there, which I think is a tendency in comedy
is like, I have to make sure the camera sees
the bit I'm doing. Whereas I feel like in every
take with both of you, you were doing such different
things and that was so exciting to me.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
It's interesting you say that because I think when I
first started, I was like much more aware of the
camera and much more aware of like matching things and
is it catching everything? And then as I kind of
got older and went through things, I was like, you
know what, more and more it's about like trying not
to show just to be the thing and not even
the camera's like it's gonna get what it's gonna get.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
The play of it. Like watching both of you play. Yeah.
She has that crazy monologue out with the dogs. And
she also, Chow Chow puppies are not relaxing. They're not
particularly sweet. The Chow Chow community is going to come
for me. You see my trauma from having a podcast.
I'm like, I love Chow Chows, by the way. But
(07:24):
watching her do that, there was no take that was similar.
She just like, and the way she would riff. And
also she has this line where she's like, And it
was one of my favorite lines to write because it
felt so like what my mom would say. She's like,
I didn't want to do J. Jill because it would
ruin it. I didn't want to ruin it for me.
So I did J. Crew Factory. And just her saying that,
(07:44):
she kind of threw it away. And I was like, God,
she's brilliant.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
She's so smart.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I want to ask you about growing up in a
small town in the Northwest.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Because we share that. You're from Boise, Idaho. I'm from Yakima, Washington.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I think the two towns are very similar. Was Napoleon
Dynamite shot in Boise? Was that set in Boise?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
It was. It was in, I think, Rexburg, Idaho.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
But I've described it as this and now everyone around
me is like, sure, I guess that makes kind of sense.
But we grew up with the Sawtooth Mountains go through Boise.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And so I, every morning, like at the end of
my drive, like I could see the mountains where we
would ski in the winter and it helped me with direction.
So everywhere I go, I know based on, I find
my mountain and then I know where I am. Yeah.
So nothing else in my personality would make it seem
like I'm good at directions, but I'm actually good. And
I think it's because of growing up with a view
(08:37):
like that or having.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I think I agree with you. Point of reference. Exactly. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I mean, this is my compass.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
We didn't have any mountains. We could see the Cascades.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
So pretty.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
And we could see some of the mountains, like Mount Rainier,
Mount Adams. We couldn't see Mount St. Helens, but there
was a few that we could see. And so that's
the way you got your, I got my, remember where
things are. Mount St.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Helens.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
But sawtooths, those are some. They're beautiful. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
That's why I think sometimes people think Idaho flat or Midwest. No.
No hate to that.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
No, no.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I love you.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
But it's the, this is my fourth wall. This is
my flea bag camera.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Oh, yes.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Right here, which is yours. It's yours right there.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Flea bag camera.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
It's just like, I'm like, it's so funny that you're
thinking of Idaho. It's like, cause to me, I'm like,
it's mountains, like mountains. And yeah. But Mount St. Helen
is so funny. My grandparents flew over it five hours
before it went off.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
That's where that gives the, get a hair on the back.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I know. I grew up with hearing about Mount St.
Helens for so, that was like, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
My family all golfed, so we were like driving around
a lot. So I was always in Washington. Yes. Did
you golf?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Wait, wait. Did we talk about this? Because I grew
up on the golf team in high school. I wasn't very.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
All my siblings did. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
No.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
You had football.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I did football. And then when I was in college,
I did radio DJ. But all my siblings played college golf.
Very similar to golf, radio DJ. Well, of course. Well, yeah.
It's like the, it's either, if one doesn't work, you
have to.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Golf was tricky for me.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I'm not, um, patient.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah. I, well, so no. You're a perfectionist. Yeah. And,
and also, yeah, exactly. Like I remember I was doing
it one morning and I probably was like nine. This
guy was keeping score and he was like the dad
of one of the kids I was playing with. So like,
They just all bothered me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I
got like, it took me 11 shots to get out
of the sand trap on this one hole. And then
I just, by the end, I was just so fucking pissed. Yeah, yeah.
(10:24):
And the guy to me was like, you know what's
great about golf is that you have the next hole
and it's just a total, it's just a wash. Like
it's just all new. And I was like, yeah, that's
really cool. You're still going to count that 15 I
just got on that last hole, right? Yeah. And then
I was just like, I shouldn't play this. Like, so
my parents put me into track instead in the spring. Oh, yeah. Oh,
(10:45):
so you had football. I could do a 100-meter dash,
and that would be, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
But that was good.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Football and track.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, that was good. Those were the classic sports in
high school. Come on, of course. I know. Golf was
not cool when I was in high school. It was
not cool.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
See, it kind of got, like, I remember my siblings,
it being kind of, you know, it was the Tiger
Woodsification of golf at the time.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
That was when it was cool. And now it's kind
of gone back, I think, into some other.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I don't know what it is. I don't, I don't
know if I'm allowed on courses anymore, but I love
taking a, you know, whack at it.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So that's high school. Did you do sports in college
at Georgetown or did you?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
No, I was the first in my family to not
play a sport, but still like, I mean, I've always
kind of been like a semi gym guy, you know,
I love like, I was maybe going to do like
a running team and then, or a running club, you know,
they kind of really scout intensely for crew on those
East Coast schools for sure. So I thought about that,
but I can't really wake up before 7 unless it's
(11:37):
for overcompensating. I gotta be on camera if I'm gonna
wake up before, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
But did you, you didn't rose. boise right i mean
oh yeah could you imagine i was gonna say in.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
The tub where did you roll it's at the ymca
there yeah it would have been probably a little tricky
in boise we've had a drive to like ketchum or
mccall which or you know ketchup well actually no there's
no lake in ketchum i'm gonna get right for that
um mccall i haven't been home in a while sorry
oh people love to say that to me and i'm
like sometimes i don't know yeah i think i.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Was just at movie theaters i love it i just
love the northwest i do i really i mean it's
a certain vibe to it and it's a and it's
a There's a scent and a smell and a look
and a feel. Right? I'm really excited about the news.
Me too. It's going to be great. I think we
(12:28):
have one of the great father-son relationships. And there's more
to mine that's coming. You know what I mean? About
that relationship. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Like almost Connie got more of the emotional beats in
this season, you know, which I think does make sense
for a lot of these experiences of, you know, when
people come out. I think moms have a different relationship
to it than dads in a way.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yes, I agree.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I've just been rereading this book, The Velvet Rage, which
is kind of about this experience of being in the
closet and as you come out and how that manifests
in different ways for you, you know, and how it
I think kind of changes who you are. And it
talks about that too, the relationship between parents. And so
I think, you know, Looking into season two, I am
excited for also more emotion, I think.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah. Confusion. I'm curious about the journey. I'm looking forward
to the journey. Yeah. Because I think at the end
of the day, this person is your flesh and blood, right?
This is your son or your daughter. Yeah. And that
supersedes everything.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
You know what I mean? Yeah. Whatever they're going through,
whatever's happening... You find acceptance. You find a way to understand.
You work towards that if you're having a difficulty, if
it's not just immediate. Because that can't be denied. That
relationship can't be denied. So I'm curious to find out
how my character sort of finds his way to connect
(13:42):
with you.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
It's also, I'm now having this excitement with writing season
two of like I get to write for you. You know,
it's like the dream before of, you know, and now
I get to know that it's Wally. Or know that
it's Mary Beth for sure. And I think that's.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
What's so exciting. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
And a confidence with you now. You know, it's like I,
like that is so exciting to me that I'm like,
I know you and I know also in being on
set with you, I'm like how, what would be like
fun and enjoyable as an actor to get to do
with you and play. But, you know, I think I
had told you it's so interesting. It's like, parents go
through this journey and then at the other side of it,
they're like wearing pride merch. Yes. And it's just like,
(14:23):
that's so funny. I can see that happening.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
He's like, well, now it's like a sport.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Let's get, let's get into this.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I have the North face pride merch, which my dad does.
And he looks great in it. I'm like, hell yeah, King,
like light that up. Um, he's like, check it. I'm like,
I love the rainbow.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Fabulous. Yes. But all that's, all that's going to awaken,
which I think is really fun.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
And just like, I love doing bits with, I mean,
just you having bits and parent bits are fun to just.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Or I'll lean in. I lean to dad bits. You
know me.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
It's so fun. Yeah. And I want to see the
J.Crew factory with Connie.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
That would be fun too.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I really want to. We got to find a mall. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
And I actually love that relationship too. I love the
fact that I think you really believe that we're parents.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Definitely. That have been together for a long time and
have gone through all sorts of different things. And we're connected.
We're together, but we're also doing our own thing. And
now we're all gone.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
So it's like I think that we were talking about
it in the writer's room. everyone kind of had different
stories of when they left and what their parents, how
that affected their parents' lives because they were like, well,
they've just given 18 years to being so focused on you.
Now they're trying to re-find out who they are without
you in the house. And then almost coming back together
and re-meeting each other as like not parents, but as
(15:34):
like partners, which I think is really.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Inspired by that. I think that's really true. In fact,
my wife and I are facing, our son is in
a senior year. He's just started senior year. So one
year and he's off somewhere.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
We only have one. So it's just like.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
That's a little. I'm not going to terrify you.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Do the dogs become really important?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, I think. Oh, the dogs. My mom is. Oh, absolutely.
The dogs become huge. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Oh my God. We're on that one.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
My dogs smell better than any human I've met. Like
it's explosive.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Like I go home.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Oh, just the coats on those goldens are. We didn't
do goldens. So goldens would have been easier. So then
Scott King, our showrunner, loves chow chows. So that's why we.
Did 12 challenges.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I was like, going, really? Going to Chao Land? Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Well, it's one of these... Okay, so... Oh, going to
Chao Land? Yeah. Okay, clip that. But there was... Clip that! Yes,
our first... I heard clip that. But that's one of
those things where you write in a script, and this
is something that it sounds like, so I feel very
lucky that this is true, but you'll write something in
a script, and you've read it so many times, you
don't even really read the stage direction anymore, so I
(16:41):
kind of forget sometimes. But then, obviously... a production designer,
you know, everyone is, is like, well, this is what's
in script. And like, we want to make the world
come to life as like the writers have written.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
So it would be something like that where all of
a sudden they're like, yeah. And you wanted this girl
to have a service dog. That was a poodle. Right.
And I'm like, yeah. And they're like, well, we've looked
all over Toronto. We found one. And I was just like,
oh my God, I feel so bad. I'm like, we
could have easily cut that.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
It's like your wish is their command.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I'm just like, oh my, they're like, yeah, this is
the way. And I'm like, oh my God, I just
didn't even.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
How much time did you spend? Yeah, exactly. How much
did it cost? And what did it take?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Shout out Josh who found those chow chows for us.
I think that took a really long time to find
chow chow puppies that were okay to be filmed and
be handled by an actor. It was so.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Next time I'll be. Maybe a little.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Thanks, Benny.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah. Yeah. If you have any requests, I'll put them in.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
We're going to do it.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
We're going to do it.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Well, I want to talk a little bit too about,
because we talk about it, we're communicating a lot. I'm
very excited about that. We're going to shoot in Toronto?
What do we know?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I don't know. Campuses are hard. Shooting on campuses is tricky.
So trying to figure that out.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Especially during this school year.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
We had one night that was so, it was one
of those things where then after you just feel like
this is so cool that this is like really happening.
But we were shooting on campus with me and Wally.
And we were doing a golf cart sequence. And then this,
this one where we're walking and, you know, I say
that I'm super picky with girls. And then I ask
her and she's like, I'm not picky at all. And
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we look up after a take, cause we kept hearing
like people talking.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
We were like, what?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
And there was like a high school camp that they
had within the dorms in there. They were, it was
an entire row of these like high school boys filming
us and filming her. I was just like, yeah, we
should probably do it on a close. I saw, I
still get, you know, tagged in those videos and I'm like,
that's like, there you go. That was a private.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Well, having a successful show, you know, you're going to be, yeah,
you're going to be highlighted. So, But you've done some
really fun characters, too. So I was not familiar with
these characters when we were together, but I looked into
some of them.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
That's scary to me.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I don't think that you're doing these anymore, but.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
It's been a while.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Deliverance Richards is one that I got a kick out of.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
She would love you. Yeah. She'd love to sell you
a vineyard. I'm all in.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
She's got to.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I miss her a lot. I really do miss being Deliverance.
She was... She is kind of just.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Me, I think. Just free association, going crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Just going to town. Like, I... I loved her. I
did her because I was, I was looking for a
place and I kept meeting with different realtors. And every
single time I found that a few of them I
met with anything I said, they went with. And then,
so I would be like, yeah, I really liked it.
And they're like, isn't it the best? And I'm like, yeah,
but this one thing, you know, I'm not loving. And
(19:31):
they're like, right. Like I'm fucking live there. I'd kill
myself before it. And I'm like, okay, do you like
it or not? I'm like, wait, should I not get it? Right.
And I just, and the outfits and the selling sunset era.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
The fingernails. I remember the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I love having, I wear like gloves instead of a shirt.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I wear like little hats.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I did a pregnant belly at one point just because
I was like, I think she'd be pregnant and still
rocking this. You know, so she was fun.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
That was one of my favorites. Jenny, the TMI hairstylist,
scared me.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
She'd love to give you a cut.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, I bet she would.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I just don't know. She'll give you a dye job.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I would just be like, I'm a deer in headlights.
I'm like, oh no. Was there one that you were like, oh,
this is close to me? Just one of the characters
that you created.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Oh, my God. You know what's funny? Actually, one of
the first characters I did was Haley, who became the
character in the show, played by Holmes so brilliantly. One
of the most talented people I've met. And that was
something where we had done a stand-up show together, like
maybe two years prior to shooting.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I think that's what they said. They said that's how
you met.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
We met backstage. It was at the Elysian Theater. And
it was very kind of this small little backstage that
they have. And It was like immediately foreheads touching. You know,
we're in the corner just like talking to each other,
just throwing up in each other's mouths. And then she
had this incredible set and I was like, God, she's good.
And then when we were auditioning people, she read for
Carmen and Scott King sent it to me and he.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Was like, wow, she's like incredible. And I was like,
oh my God, what?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
And I said, get her on tape for Haley right now.
I have never laughed like that. And I love that
character so much because it was like this first character
i developed yeah you know i initially she was a
character that i had where it's like a girl who
just got back from abroad and then i kind of
used her for a bunch of different things like that
and this kind of i think like bad out of
hell that arrives at college was so yeah i mean
(21:19):
she writing that part is like a gay man's dream
yeah and having someone like holmes come in yeah it's
just and you know what the way she did it
is that she believed everything she said and like i
think that's why people have responded so well to it
it's because you know she came in and she was,
you know, it's like what you're saying where some things
just inform the character. She was just like, she is
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so loyal. She's obsessed with Carmen. Like she's, she might
even be in love with her.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
And I'm like, I love this.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Like this every, she just found a reason why all
of it made sense to her. And none of it
was what I think some people could read on the page.
And also why I think Adam DeMarco was so great. It's,
he was like, it's not a bimbo. And she was like,
you know, this isn't a bimbo. It's like a kid
who wants to be loved and seen and hasn't been
seen in the right way. Yeah. And I just... An
absolute truth.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Like, she can't be dishonest, which I think is such
an extraordinary quality. Absolutely. You really feel that through the performance.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah. So much more to do with Hayley. Oh, she's...
fun to write for. And knowing that it's Holmes House.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I'm putting in my hat, I'd love a scene with.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Oh, I would love that Haley would be like, your
son's gay.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Wake up.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
She'd be like, are you thick? Your son's gay.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
With her pom-poms.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I already got the voice.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
What you've done with Overcompensating is the people that you know,
your friends... People that you've worked with, that you know
within the circuits, the comedy circuit, the drama circuit, are
in the show. And you brought them and you know
them and you bring them and you let them do
their thing. Like Mary Beth is a great example. I
loved working with her so much.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
It's so funny, when we did those first, the photos
of the family, anyone who I showed it to, they're like,
I kind.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Of get it.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
They're like, I like, they're like, I know who got
each like feature. I know who's who. I was so
glad you got to do that. We did episode seven
with the parents and that you got to see, cause
that was, I think such a amazing showcase of why
I have always responded to her comedy and think she's
so brilliant. Yeah. And that performance that she gives at
(23:26):
the dinner table and, And even that really sad sequence
in the bathroom where she's kind of dressed herself up
and her mom compliments it and it feels good, but
she doesn't want to show that it feels too good.
I just love her in that. That episode was really
for her. It was like we wanted it to be
a showcase of, I think, a great moment for Benny,
but it was so much more about her and the
parents and finding this family unit.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
See, this is the thing, which is what I love.
This is why I think you're doing what you need
to do is because these characters have depth. They have
other things going on. You know, overcompensating, you're covering up something,
you understand that. And you've brought in people that I
think really can do that and can groove in that.
And Mary Beth is one. She's just, you know, there's,
you know, she's got this, there's a sadness in that
(24:09):
that I see that she just lets be there, you know?
Like even that moment when we... which is one of
my favorites. I know exactly what you're about to say.
Bounding out of the house.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I know exactly what you're saying. You're home, my son.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
And she's like, hi, dad. I'm like, oh, hey, how
are you? And I'm just you.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And I go home.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
And I was like, I want to play it like, oh,
he does care, but he cares about his son.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
But this is, you know, sorry. The prodigal son has returned.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, and she's left kind of, there you are.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah. It's interesting, too, because I was so excited. I
feel like people really responded to that character so much, too,
and that's what was so exciting. And I think also,
you know, this idea of a coldness and that being
seen as such a bad, like a bad thing, especially
for women. And I feel like for her to play
that and also kind of do that and it be
(24:56):
triumphant that by the end she does get to return
to more of like a coldness and not trying to
be what all these people want. And I think that
was really exciting to me, kind of being darker, I think,
and then moodier. I think was so, and that's what
I've always seen in her standup too. When I was
doing standup, I was like running around stage, like slapping
my ass and throwing on wigs. And she was just
(25:17):
standing there with a mic and just like so cold
and just sharp.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Great restraint, which I admire so much because I'm not
like that. I have a really hard time.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
What do you mean? Us? Restraining?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I'm like, what? I'll always work with friends. I'm doing
everything with you. Sorry.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
We're done. We're in. It's good.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I think I grew up, I mean, mine was I
grew up with Adam Sandler movies and then watching like
Maya Rudolph and Kristen Wiig and Amy Poehler and watching
them all be in each other's projects. I'm like, well,
this is who inspires me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Crossover. Crossover.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
These are like, yeah. I'm like, sometimes I feel like
I'm fan first.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Well, I was going to ask you, who do you,
I mean, are there people you watch, you admire? Are
there people that conspire to you? And it sounds like comedians. Definitely.
Was there a moment when you were like, this is me.
This is what I'm going to do.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
This is. I do remember seeing Mrs. Doubtfire when I
was really young and Robin Williams and that and being like, wow.
I just felt so much emotion from him and I
think he also carried such like a beautiful, like everything
he did felt really emotional but also just being able
to tap into the comedy and yeah, I just, I
remembered that as a kid like really sticking with me
(26:30):
and being like I would love to do something like this.
Like he just feels, and all of his films I
think I really like followed them as a kid. And SNL,
I mean I, when I was in high school it
was the Maya Rudolph, Amy Poehler, Tina Fey, Kristen Wiig.
So I just, that to me I was so, I
was like electrified by that. It was like every Saturday
(26:50):
I was watching them. And so I think that really
inspired me, but I don't know. I didn't say I
was a comedian until Mary Beth forced me to before
a show. Cause I was just like, I don't know.
I'm just a guy.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
No, you're a comedian.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
You're funny. No. And you're a gay guy.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
But it was so, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
So I, I, I always.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Loved film and TV and they were always places where
I felt like very safe and I think I told you,
but the first time I saw Blue Velvet was in a,
it was called like Senior Seminar. It was a class
I took in high school. And that was, shout out Mrs.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Simmons.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
We watched films for the first time and wrote about
them and kind of analyzed them. And that was where
I was like, whoa, maybe I would want to study this.
And at the time I was still in the closet.
So performing wasn't really on, the menu, really, until I
started to come out.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
And then I was like, shit. What were you saying?
You were like, going up on the stage, you would
be like, oh.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I mean, me as Danny Zuko, people would not have
any questions about, yeah. They'd go, oh, okay, yeah. They're like, yeah,
we've been new. You up to be, I'm football. Yeah,
it would have been two seconds. So I was like,
I'll just do sports and occasionally run. People would say
I run like a girl, which I take as a compliment.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah. I love it. Listen. Bet your ass I do.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
And to that I say, why are you watching? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah. Look at this.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Look at my form.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah. What about you? What was your, do you have
like a moment where you were like, oh, that's.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Kind of couple, a couple actually. Because I was more
high school. We, you know, I did the play and
I did the musical. It was kind of, everybody kind
of did that. There was no stigma to do that.
It was like some of the cool guys, some of
the cool guys, the jocks were actually. In the plays,
you know, in the musicals, because it was a cool
thing to do. Yeah, it was like Washington. There you go.
We were so ahead of our time. But I remember
(28:39):
doing that and having a great time and going to
college and going, I kind of think about something serious.
I got to study. What am I going to do?
And I was like, well, I'll take some communication courses,
which is like. Perfect. I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
You in a communications course, I got to see that.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I took public speaking and I was terrible, but I
also just took a drama. I took a drama class.
Just like, well, I'll just do an acting class.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Do it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
And I was like, I was like, ah, that was
pretty good. I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, you're like, shit, I'm kind of absolutely incredible at this.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, it's like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I kind of look like an Adonis and I'm fucking
good at this. Yeah, this is crazy. Sorry.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
But I was like, I can't do this. You know
what I mean? But I was like, I was in college.
I was so unhappy.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
And I dropped out my third quarter. I had pledged beta.
I was in the beta house as a fraternity. I said,
this isn't really my vibe so much. But my dad
was a beta. And I was like, oh, I'll try
to do this. And I was like, and I just,
and I took a quarter off. I worked in a mill.
made some money and that summer I went to Summerstock
in North Carolina wow and that's when I was like
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oh I was watching stuff and I got to actually
be a lead character in one of the plays for
one of the weeks they did it it was kind
of a big deal yeah and I was like this
is basically the director just told me everything to do
do this do this do this I was like okay
And I had a really great experience. I was like, wow,
this is really, I feel like something is clicking. But
I still was like, hmm, I don't know. I got
(30:08):
back to college, and there was a program there that
they had that was for repertory theater actors. Three years
training to work, you know, Shakespeare festivals, repertory theaters, that
was going to be it. And I watched what they did.
I went to a couple plays, and I said, I
think I have to do this. And so I worked
really hard to get accepted into the program, which I
was accepted. And then I went for three years. I
was terrible. Just terrible, but I was doing what I
(30:31):
wanted to do. And then I just started working. And
it was like, this is what I'm going to do.
I had no idea I was going to make a living.
I didn't even think about that. It was just like
I really loved this process. And so it was like
a series of doors opening that kind of made sense.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Sometimes wanting to not want it. you know of being
like what was that I can't love this that much
no I'm like no one will something else has to
happen I can't tell someone in the Pacific Northwest I'm
gonna be an actor yeah I'm like they're gonna like
I think a dentist still like one recently asked my
dad like has it been okay they're like is he
(31:07):
still trying to do the acting thing well it's you.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Know we come from kind of rural you know.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah they're just like that's just not a job no
you know so they're like and I just that was
in my head too I studied like Well, I studied English,
so I don't know what, I wasn't doing communications or anything,
so I don't know like how much more I was,
you know, still.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Communications is like, what are you going to do with communications?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
What can happen with that? I didn't even know. That's
the thing too, when people are like, was there a backup?
And I'm like, I think at the time I was like,
I'd love to like help people with music videos. Like
I said shit like that, and they're like, what does
that mean?
Speaker 1 (31:40):
That doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Good luck.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was sort of my, yeah, just
kind of the process, my process, which was, thank God,
you know, and it sort of, wow. why did I
have such a hard time accepting this, what was clearly
something that I was better at than everything else?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I don't know still if I don't think I've really
done a play, but I'm dying to.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I really want to do one.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
We should do one.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I read somewhere that you were interested in doing that, maybe.
I think so.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I almost did one recently, but then it just didn't
work with the show. But I was really sad to
not do it, because I was like, that would be...
And then randomly, when I was living in Brooklyn... There
was a friend who was doing a production of Alice
in Wonderland and they needed a Mad Hatter. And they
always had like someone come and do the Mad Hatter.
And I almost did, but then I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
That would be fun.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
And that would have been fun.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
The Mad Hatter, that would be great.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I mean, I love that. Yeah. That's my wheelhouse.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I could see he was a Mad Hatter. You can?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Oh, yes.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Okay, good.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Or like Willy Wonka. I mean, all those kind of
like old Johnny Depp ones were really huge. I mean,
that Willy Wonka was like, I was in for Halloween.
Like that was. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
With a little bob. Well, any excuse to wear a wig. Well,
you're Courtney, right?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Is that the one that has the- Courtney, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
They changed their hair so much.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
With the widow's peak, which I thought was a stroke
of brilliance. Whose idea was that?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
The widow's peak was me. I really started to get into-
Cruella de Vil type. Exactly. I did start to really
enjoy making my face look more and more like a person.
I just found that somehow my face just felt like
It lent itself in makeup.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
So I was really close. I was like, it just
doesn't quite look like her. And then I was like,
all right, let me look at her one more time
and see what's different. Yeah, yeah. And then there was
a way to, and I didn't have a wig, so
I just.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Took a eyeliner and made it.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
And I was like, we've got it.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
You know, it's funny, because I was talking with an
actor I really respect, and we were talking about process.
And I said, how do you, what, where do you
drop in to the character? What's the, ah, I got it.
I got it. It could be the shoes that you wear,
the shoes, and I've got it. And from there, everything
kind of grows. And he said, the voice. And I said,
that's interesting. And I said, but I think in the process,
(33:50):
also the look. I remember doing Mr. C in Twin
Peaks Return. And I remember we were putting the character together,
kind of little by pieces and stuff. And then David
did like kind of a dirt stipple on my face.
And I said, I got it.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
It is so, it sounds so like actor-y, but it
is that moment where you kind of go, oh, I
know it.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
It's connected.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, you're just like, it's one little thing where you're like,
it's so, that's so, it really can be that.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
It gives you, yeah, but it gives you the, you
just know they're real. Yeah, it gives you the, Okay,
the door opened. Now I believe it. And now I
believe it until I can make it happen in the
widow's peak, I think.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, it's like widow's peak or.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
But I love that you played with the face too,
with the look.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
The voice is so interesting.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, the voice is good. I thought that was an
interesting choice because I said, yeah, that would work. Where
do you pitch? Where do you find it?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Well, Benny, it was so hard because it was like,
I am in the closet and some people are believing
it and some people aren't. So what is that? How
much do we get to play within... how deep the
voice goes or how masculine I'm, you know, or how
thick my neck is. Like I found, I also find
posture to be like really posture. And then this sounds
(35:03):
kind of, but, Sometimes I do. It's helpful to think
of how a character would have sex. I know that's right.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Sorry, dad. No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I don't want to talk about this in front of you,
but it's like season two is going to be a
lot of this. So we've got to get ready. But
I think it just I it's like helpful to think
of them or in a relationship. I think it's helpful
to me. Yeah. Well, the physicality. Exactly. I'm like, how
would they how would they be? You know, that's really difficult.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I think that's brilliant to ask yourself those questions.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
It's helpful.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
This or this or this. Because it gives you a picture,
it gives you a feeling, more importantly. And out of
that comes behavior, movement, how you interact with somebody, how
you might touch someone or grab someone or just anything
like that. Totally.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I had one character where I was like, he would
shower before sex. Yeah. And it just like, to me,
I'm like, oh, I so get it. Like, he's just
kind of hell.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
I've played characters like that before.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
You know, where it's like, he's just that guy. I'm like,
I don't know how to describe it. Now I kind
of get it.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
No, that informs everything.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
You know, it's just like a little, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
It informs everything. And I think that's a process, organic process,
where I think it's really, really important. Yeah. Oh, excited.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I would love to draw one on you. I'm going
to do that. I'll bring that wig.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I could do, because there was, you remember the Munsters? Oh, yeah. Okay,
so Eddie Munster, the little kid. Yeah, of course. At
a widow's peak.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
And when I was younger, when I had more hair,
and my hair was black. Literally black hair.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
You have so much hair just on the record.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
It's hanging in.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
It looks great.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
But I look back when I was a kid and
I knew who it was because my son, his hair
is so thick you can't even see the scalp. It's
like that. God. And that's what my hair was like.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
God bless.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
And it was jet black.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
And it was like there was an Eddie Munster thing happening. Yeah.
That was good. And then I had a friend of
mine who actually even looked like him. Also black hair
until we nicknamed him Eddie. I'm sure Eddie Munster was
so happy.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
He was so excited to get that. God means the world.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
What's it for? Eddie Munster, I said. But The Widow's Peak, yeah,
that's a killer. That's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Thank you so much. I miss being Courtney. I wonder,
I haven't done her in a while.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I'm here with, I wonder if I, just, yeah, there
we go. There's always, do you have the one word?
Does that help for you? Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Like if I do walk in a second. I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
No. No.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah. And then when I did, I did a lawyer
and he was from Texas and the word for me
was snow cone.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Snow cone.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
And I'm locked in.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
You're locked in. Yeah. So what was it for Courtney?
What was it?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Courtney, I think it was just you. Like that to
me was just going just.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Right in there.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
And now I have it. Yeah. Kyle McLaughlin, you are
just such a tease.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
You are so.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
You crazy guy. Sweet.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I'm a big, big fan.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, well, of course. I know. Yeah. That's why I'm here.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
How could you not be?
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah. God, she was fun. I do remember after, though,
it's like, you know, family and friends around me, they're like, oh,
I still hear Courtney.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
And I'm like, oh, yeah, sorry, I was shooting today.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, I was in front of the green screen. I'm
losing it.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
And she seemed to be a good sport about it, right?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Lovely.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah. I think it was Dana Carvey who said this.
I don't know if it's attributed to him, but I said,
if you want to learn a voice, because he would
do Bush, he said, You have to hear somebody else
do the voice, like maybe an extreme version. And then
you learn from them. Instead of learning from the person
that you're going to imitate, somebody else has to do it.
Then you're like, oh, I picked that up. You know
what I mean? So it's like maybe you listen to
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someone who does a really great version, you know, and
go that way. So I don't know. But you sound
like you went right.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
I went to her because I just needed to.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
It was also extreme. I mean, it was good.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I think I went pretty extreme because in hearing her talk,
I was like, I'm, you know, it's a... I had
one person give me like a note once and I
was like, yeah, I mean, I am a man doing it.
So just like, fuck off. You know, I'm like, I
think we're okay. This feels like within the world. You
know who I'm trying to be.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
We're bracketing here.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Just like chill, okay? We have a different... We have
different chords. Yeah, I watched that. And then one... I
remember one thing that was, Shawn Mendes was kind of
tricky for me at first, but I just watched a
few interviews and sometimes it is just hearing how they
say one or two words. And him saying lovely was really,
I was like, I know exactly how to get my
voice to sound like that. And that was like the one,
(39:05):
you know, it's just, I don't know. But I do
think in hearing someone, I think maybe I heard Chloe
Fineman do Timothee Chalamet once. And I was like, oh yeah.
He's tough. He's really hard, but then he's way more
physical than... You know, it's more like, yeah, that's fun too.
I can see you wanting to do it.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
I want to, but I don't have enough. I haven't
studied him yet. I mean, maybe I'm such a nice guy.
I know you can do it.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Oh, I'm such a nice guy. He seems fantastic, but
I'm like.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
But I like the extreme ones, you know, the Gawakan
or the. But we were playing earlier with.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I should do that.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
It's David Attenborough here.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
And today.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
We're talking with Benny Trout.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Oh, this is fantastic. See where I got it from?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Survive.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Wait, do you get that? He is in the wild.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
He perpetuates the ongoing process of a man at his peak. Stop. Truly.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I wish David would talk about me like that. Fuck.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
He will.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
That was delicious.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
But I love that.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
That's really good.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
But I need an extreme.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I have one for you. It's Daniel Craig in Knives Out. Oh.
There's been a murder. I can't stop saying it. I
keep saying it to Mary Beth, too, and she goes, oh,
here's Benoit. He came into that movie with such a
hot take on this Texan accent. It's breathtaking. I think
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about it a lot.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
I remember that. I have to watch it again to
get a sense of him.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Well, we should be in one. It seems kind of
fucked up at this point.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
I think so, too.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
But I think that's the joy. It's like, cause I
thought that too with Parker Posey in White Lotus, the
first episode I was like, oh, I don't know this accent.
Like I, and then by the middle I was like,
it's just like, it's a stroke of genius. This accent
is like, it is such a choice in like, and
it delivers.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
It was me like watching Peter Dinklage in Game of Thrones.
I was like, Not English necessarily. No, but. What is it?
Speaker 2 (41:08):
But fuck yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
But I was like, yeah, I'm down. I'm down.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Go. Why not? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Great.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I love that. We're going to a break. So we'll
see you. We'll be back. Don't go away. For this segment,
I designed just for you. I've cribbed a bit from
you and Mary Beth's segment. Perfect.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Called.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Ride, and this is called Can I Give You a Ride?
Speaker 2 (41:39):
And I wish you would.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Be careful.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I drove here, which is not, I shouldn't be allowed to.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
All right, so you're good. I'm going to give you
these glasses. You can put these on. I don't want
you to get any bugs on your eyes.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
You want me in the shiny ones.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I do. Whoa. I like to drive fast.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Balenciaga. Right?
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Okay. I'm going to list.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
I'm going to list. I'm going to put some on too.
Does that look good?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
It looks good.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, that's great. That's the face of Balenciaga. Do you
guys get that? No free ads. no free ads bleep that.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
What are you talking about our shirts this this is
i wore this and you wore that and that there's something.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
That's crazy that's called family that's family in my head
now i can't see but i can yeah yes but
i did i'm gonna close my eyes no okay but
color any color oh my god i know well this
is very red pill blue pill of you um.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yes what's gonna look better with With us.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
To me, I'm blue.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Blue? I'll go red. I'll go red. Okay. You're going
to tell me if you, I'm going to tell you
a few things I ride for, and you're going to
tell me if you.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yep. Whoops.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Let me just. Also ride for that.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
You need croquis on those.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
This is what I need. I need croquis.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
You knew that term. Yeah, exactly. You know that term, right?
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I was in the yard sawing up some bamboo and sweating,
and they kept falling off my head.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
That's what I'm sawing bamboo. Sawing bamboo in my backyard.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
All right, I'm going to go with.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I might have to take that for season two. I
was sawing bamboo.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
In the backyard. Bamboo, I'm ready. I'm gardening in the backyard. Okay,
we're gonna ride, see if you ride with me, whether
it's a carpool or not. Okay, you ready?
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
To me, it's like, yeah, this is.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Okay, good, and we're kind of moving. Remember how you
do with shots, like if you have to do driving scenes?
Speaker 2 (43:10):
So I've only booked things I've written for myself. Oh.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I don't really, I haven't done that, but I'm dying
to do that.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
A driving scene?
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Oh, let's do it. It's hard to, yeah. Because it's
a good place for conversations.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Like a parent in an Uber is so explosive. You know?
Speaker 1 (43:27):
I'm up for that. I feel so, yeah. Okay, I
ride for wearing indoor shoes outdoors. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Absolutely. I slap on an Ugg and I rip through. Yes.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Yeah, I love that. A slipper Ugg.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
A little bear paw if you're getting nasty.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Oh, that's good. I think that's fantastic. What's the shoe
of choice? I like the Ugg. I think your suggestion
was right.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Fuzzy. Fuzzy inside. It has to be a slippery, fuzzy inside.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Would I then wear them into a bed or put
them on the couch? Probably not.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
No, you'd bring them inside, but you could wear them inside,
depending on what you walk through on the outside. Sometimes
you just leave them at the door.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I love leaving them at the door.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
A little clog. Come on.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Deal with it.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
I ride for gardening.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
So I'm glad you do. I personally don't, but I
love that you do.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Wait, so you grew up in Boise, but there's no gardening.
I guess that was a thing you did in the Northwest.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Like, my mom does. Like, my mom loves her garden,
and I leave her to it.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I think I just, plants see me coming, and they
get a little thirsty.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Don't mess with him, okay.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
But I do, I love the thought of you out there,
and I love going to someone's garden that they're really
proud of.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Ah, good, we'll have you over for sure.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Having little tomatoes, a little blueberry, why not?
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yes, controversial take, but I ride for Steve Brady.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Okay, sure. I think that's fantastic. From Sex and the City. Yeah.
That's who you're... For a second, I thought, is that
an athlete? Steve Brady, 100% I ride. Okay. I think
he's fantastic. Excellent. I think I recently... I mean, I
recently told Kristen that I thought... I mean, he... Yeah.
He's a 10.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah. Yeah. Hey, he's no Trey McDougal.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
No, no.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Relax.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
But I mean... I mean, he's the ultimate.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
It got really quiet.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
He's the ultimate, ultimate.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
But I think he's fantastic and he's so... You know.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Keep your eyes on the road. Keep your eyes on
the road.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Oh, of course.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
But to me, yeah, I really did like them together.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
I thought they were kind of a beautiful... I ride
for being silly on social media. I mean, come on.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
I go, I don't. I want to be really serious.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yes, you are. Your social media is incredible. It's very moody. Yeah, yeah.
I'm driving a little fast right now. Slow down a
little bit because you're kidding.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
See, this is why I'm not allowed to drive cars.
This is me on the turn.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Silly on social media.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Watch out. Yeah, oh, I.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
100%.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
And yours is.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
You inspire me.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Oh, that's nice to hear. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Because I get sometimes scared of TikTok because I feel
like I didn't come up on it. So sometimes I'm like,
how would I?
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Well, I have a team here. They're absolutely genius and
they help me. They're my guides. A true king. Okay.
I ride for kale.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Oh, yeah. Right? Yeah, I love kale.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
I mean, you're healthy.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Kale, sometimes when I'm eating it, I look up after
two hours and I think, I'm still eating this. But
I do like it.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
That's because you're not full. It's crazy. Kale doesn't fill
you up.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
It does. I think it does make me bloated.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
But it does gas. Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah. But I do.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
I love kale. Kale's great.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah, kale's good.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Put it in a smoothie.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
It's delicious.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I like kale with a little bit of like a little,
I like a salt, oil, a little bit of honey. Oh, shit.
And a tiny bit of balsamic.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
And a cigarette.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
And a cigarette.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Well, you know what I love?
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Damn right.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
The kale Caesar.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Well, kale is my nickname from David. Oh, I love that. Yeah,
he called me Kale. And he wasn't the one who
thought of it originally. Well, he thought of calling me Kale. Oh,
that's incredible. But it was the late producer Dino De
Laurentiis who couldn't pronounce Kyle. Yeah, so he called me Kale.
And David loved that.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
That's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
That's it from now on. I'm Kale.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
We're driving off a cliff right now, by the way.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
We are definitely. We've driven off the cliff. We're flying
right now.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
This is Thelma and Louise.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Thelma and Louise moment. I ride for the nerd emoji.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Oh, is that the little teeth and the glasses? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
So cute. Love.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
I don't know if I've ever used it, but I
love receiving it. I mean, how cute.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
I don't know. Because my nerd emoji, or the emoji
I go with, I mean, a thumbs up a lot,
heart a lot. I like the emoji with the two,
the eyes with kind of squinting clothes and smiling.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Oh, I like that.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Like, oh, God, maybe that was too much.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
I like the one where he's kind of like, eh. Oh, yes.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Yeah, laughing behind.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Because I feel like that a lot. I'm like, oh,
life is so embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
You shouldn't have said that.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah, but I did. But I'm kind of cute here.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
What the fuck? Yeah. Oh, here's a good one. I
ride for Chow Chows, the dog Reed. Oh, yeah. What's
your thought about that? Huh? Not to piss off the
Chow Chow.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
I love Chow Chows. I don't know if I want
to shoot with the Chow Chow again. I think Chow
Chows prefer to be off camera.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Very, very diplomatic. I like that.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
But I think they're beautiful dogs.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Scott King.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Yes. Our wonderful showrunner overcompensating. Yeah. He had one named Osito. Yeah.
And he's... Such a kink. So I love Chow Chows,
but Chow Chow puppies.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
That's another story.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I think, you know, maybe off camera.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah, off camera. Very good. Very good. I ride for
being a podcast host. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Could you imagine? I go, die.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Hate it.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Not happening. No way.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
I hate Mary Beth.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
I'm so glad you are one now.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
I'm having so much fun.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
I know you are.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
I can feel it. I've got to say, I didn't
really know getting into it, but I was like, you
know what? I'm actually really enjoying this because I get
to learn. You're so curious. Yeah, I am curious, and
I get to learn and ask questions, and I think...
think that's it is that it for our ride how
far did we go up we know what's coming up
for you yeah yeah you're going into the writer's room
right now and you're going to write some beautiful.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Stuff i'm going into a k-hole for a bit and
then i'll once i climb back out i've got i'll
have some gifts for you i'm so excited me too
i'm so excited to be here i can't believe that
i know you now yeah We're pals. I can just
bother you whenever.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
You can bother me whenever, except for... Yes. Never mind.
But it's been a real pleasure. It's been a real pleasure.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
I'll talk to you forever. Okay.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Everybody. Bless your heart. Love you too. We're in for
another season. Thanks for coming on. That's our show. And
we're sticking to it. Did we discover? What are we
even doing? I don't know if we did, but we
had a good time doing it.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (49:07):
What are we even doing?
Speaker 2 (49:08):
We're family. We're doing this. It's working.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
We're creative.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Whatever we're doing, we're having fun.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
We're having fun. There you go.
We didn't even eat you at all. We didn't even
eat you at all.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm here with Daddy. Ah. Daddy's looking good.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
You're my hero.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I didn't know you were a dick yet. Very similar
to golf.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Radio DJ.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is my fourth wall. This is my fleabag camera.
I can't really wake up before seven unless it's for overcompensating.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
And you have some exciting news about that. We're doing
season two.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Like, are you thick? Like, your son's gay. And to
that I say, why are you watching? Yeah, I've been
thinking about the Oregon coast a lot lately.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Do the dogs become really important? Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
With a little bob. Well, any excuse to wear a wig.
That's the face of Balenciaga. Do you guys get that? Hey,
he's no Trey McDougal. No, no, relax. We shouldn't be
allowed to podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
No, we shouldn't. By the way, ladies and gentlemen, this
is What Are We Even Doing? And we're here with
Benny Drama. I'm here with Daddy. Ah, bless you. We
just heard some really, really good news we're going to
get to. So, as you know, we are interviewing actors,
creators of all type about their world, their creative world,
how they use social media, what's happening. We get weird
together in a good way. And today we have, and
I'm going to do a proper introduction, brilliant comedian, writer, actor,
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podcast host, Idahoan.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Oh, yeah. Well, people always say that first. They say
that before actor. Of course they do.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Of course they do. And my on-screen biological son.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yes, blood relative. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Almost, only because you're from Boise and I'm from Yakima.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And we can talk about the similarities.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
There's a relation somewhere.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
There is definitely a cross over there. I am happy, happy,
happy to be here with you. You're my hero. Oh,
bless your heart. Bless your heart.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So we do podcasts together a lot. This is kind
of our thing now.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I think it could be.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Because we did the one for A24.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, exclusive.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It was. I loved it.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Fantastic.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Talking about overcompensating.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
So fun.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
And you have some exciting news about that.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I do.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
That I think we can share.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah. We're doing season two.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
We're going back.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
We're going back, daddy. There's a hundred people here. Yes.
We're in front of a live studio audience. I'm so
excited because I started to tell you a few things
I wanted us to do, but I was just saying like,
you don't want to fall in love too much with
storylines and stuff. I'm like, please just let this happen.
So now I'm just like, I'm a nightmare to have
dinner with right now because I'll just, I'll literally in
(02:11):
the middle of a story, I'll be like, So then
Carmen's trying to get Benny's skinny jeans off.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Right, right, right.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And they're just like, cool, you're not here. It's like
you're already writing.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
You're in the writer's room. You're already working, working, working.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I got to get it.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Are you going to stay here and do the writer's
room here in LA?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
We do. I think we're going to do a little
bit in New York because a few of the writers
are there. Wally and Mary Beth are doing the room
with me as well, which will be so fun. But
we do it on Zoom.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
You know, which is, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So we kind of, I think we're going to do
a mix of in-person and zoom this time. Okay. Last
time it was just zoom, which I think was good
for me because I had never done a room before.
So I was like, I needed something like to, you know,
fidget with things.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I was so nervous. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah. I was with like peers and people I've like
looked up to and you just get so.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
You seem to me like you handled yourself really, really well.
I mean, and that's of course watching you during the
filming when I was there and just how you handle
everything and just, you know, like a pro.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
That is so nice to hear you say that because
when you came in, I have never been more nervous.
And the first thing we did was you and my
room changing, like where you.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Put on my clothes.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
And I remember just being like, I had this really
weird moment where I find this all the time, Where
it's like hearing your voice is what really freaked me
out the most. It's like hearing your voice and Connie's voice.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I was like, they're actually here.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
And I just was like fully dissociating mid-scene.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And then also I have the thing too where then
I just start to watch. Like it's so fun because
you've written the words and now you get to watch.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Right, right. Are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Kyle MacLachlan's doing it. And I, so yeah, I'm kind
of like sitting back. I was like, oh fuck, I'm
in the scene with him. I did that at the
dinner table scene too.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You gotta pay attention.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
You're like, oh yeah. I had to engage with you, sorry.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I love an audience. And that was fun too, the
dinner scene. Oh my God. What you had written was
so perfect. I was just like, oh, I'm gonna take
this as far as I can.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
The way you did and. I wrote that with Scott
King and that is one of those scenes. And he
had known, uh, Connie for so like they had worked together.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Oh, I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Okay. Okay. So it was just like, and you were
our dream cast. So it was like, we, I think
that was one of the easiest things to edit. Like
that was one of those things where also the first
time I watched it was what is on screen.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Like it was just like, that scene is so, and
with the lights and we played with the light.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Flickering a lot in post.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
And the one part I broke and I'm so bad,
I break in every scene, but, with.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
The- Dipping their teeth. You know, stuff just kind of happens,
like Invisalign, Invisalign, yeah, yeah. It's just like, I mean,
that was such a brilliant, brilliant idea. I don't know,
you know, you have these things that delay and it's just- Me, I.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Had so many friends' parents who were all doing Invisalign
at the same time.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
No, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And I don't know why, but it was like, I
think maybe for their kids' weddings, they were all like,
I'm getting straight teeth. Getting ready. Like my parents did it,
And then Mary Beth had done it randomly. And then her,
I think maybe her mom had done it. Like just
an assortment of parents. So I was like, let's give
him Invisalign. And I thought maybe, I didn't, I mean,
I assumed you were the best. I didn't know you
(05:14):
were a dick yet. I was just like, I think
he'll be down. And then day one in the trailer,
you were like, trying on my Invisalign.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yes, I'm so excited. It's kind of how I'm going
to talk. It was good. It just informs the character
so much. Those little things that you lay in really
support the character, what you're doing. You know what I mean?
Take it and just make it very easy. So I
was nervous the first day too. I'm walking in, I'm like,
I got to take my shirt off now. And I'm like, okay.
I'm a man of a certain age.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Here we go. I got it from my daddy. Daddy's
looking good. Okay. He's doing the best he can. No,
in the take, I should have gone, shit, dad, you
look good.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
All right.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
That one mile up and down the block, you ate
that up.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Well, yeah, no, I can't.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
We kind of threw you into the deep end there.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
But you were fantastic. I loved it. I loved it.
I love working with Connie. She is so- I had
not worked with her before. I mean, I knew who
she was, of course. She's unbelievable. She has that rare
quality where I can't tell if she knows- that she's
funny or what she just is.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Oh, it's so, you know, it's like, that is such
a perfect way of describing her because it's, I think she,
you know, maybe in the back of her mind knows,
but I think there's something where she like, no, she
has the power in the scene. Cause I always felt
that I'm like, she, it doesn't feel like someone trying
to be seen by the camera in a way. And
I felt the same way with you. It's just like,
(06:31):
it's there, which I think is a tendency in comedy
is like, I have to make sure the camera sees
the bit I'm doing. Whereas I feel like in every
take with both of you, you were doing such different
things and that was so exciting to me.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
It's interesting you say that because I think when I
first started, I was like much more aware of the
camera and much more aware of like matching things and
is it catching everything? And then as I kind of
got older and went through things, I was like, you
know what, more and more it's about like trying not
to show just to be the thing and not even
the camera's like it's gonna get what it's gonna get.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
The play of it. Like watching both of you play. Yeah.
She has that crazy monologue out with the dogs. And
she also, Chow Chow puppies are not relaxing. They're not
particularly sweet. The Chow Chow community is going to come
for me. You see my trauma from having a podcast.
I'm like, I love Chow Chows, by the way. But
(07:24):
watching her do that, there was no take that was similar.
She just like, and the way she would riff. And
also she has this line where she's like, And it
was one of my favorite lines to write because it
felt so like what my mom would say. She's like,
I didn't want to do J. Jill because it would
ruin it. I didn't want to ruin it for me.
So I did J. Crew Factory. And just her saying that,
(07:44):
she kind of threw it away. And I was like, God,
she's brilliant.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
She's so smart.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I want to ask you about growing up in a
small town in the Northwest.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Because we share that. You're from Boise, Idaho. I'm from Yakima, Washington.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I think the two towns are very similar. Was Napoleon
Dynamite shot in Boise? Was that set in Boise?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
It was. It was in, I think, Rexburg, Idaho.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
But I've described it as this and now everyone around
me is like, sure, I guess that makes kind of sense.
But we grew up with the Sawtooth Mountains go through Boise.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And so I, every morning, like at the end of
my drive, like I could see the mountains where we
would ski in the winter and it helped me with direction.
So everywhere I go, I know based on, I find
my mountain and then I know where I am. Yeah.
So nothing else in my personality would make it seem
like I'm good at directions, but I'm actually good. And
I think it's because of growing up with a view
(08:37):
like that or having.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I think I agree with you. Point of reference. Exactly. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I mean, this is my compass.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
We didn't have any mountains. We could see the Cascades.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
So pretty.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
And we could see some of the mountains, like Mount Rainier,
Mount Adams. We couldn't see Mount St. Helens, but there
was a few that we could see. And so that's
the way you got your, I got my, remember where
things are. Mount St.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Helens.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
But sawtooths, those are some. They're beautiful. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
That's why I think sometimes people think Idaho flat or Midwest. No.
No hate to that.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
No, no.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I love you.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
But it's the, this is my fourth wall. This is
my flea bag camera.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Oh, yes.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Right here, which is yours. It's yours right there.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Flea bag camera.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
It's just like, I'm like, it's so funny that you're
thinking of Idaho. It's like, cause to me, I'm like,
it's mountains, like mountains. And yeah. But Mount St. Helen
is so funny. My grandparents flew over it five hours
before it went off.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
That's where that gives the, get a hair on the back.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I know. I grew up with hearing about Mount St.
Helens for so, that was like, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
My family all golfed, so we were like driving around
a lot. So I was always in Washington. Yes. Did
you golf?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Wait, wait. Did we talk about this? Because I grew
up on the golf team in high school. I wasn't very.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
All my siblings did. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
No.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
You had football.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I did football. And then when I was in college,
I did radio DJ. But all my siblings played college golf.
Very similar to golf, radio DJ. Well, of course. Well, yeah.
It's like the, it's either, if one doesn't work, you
have to.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Golf was tricky for me.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I'm not, um, patient.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah. I, well, so no. You're a perfectionist. Yeah. And,
and also, yeah, exactly. Like I remember I was doing
it one morning and I probably was like nine. This
guy was keeping score and he was like the dad
of one of the kids I was playing with. So like,
They just all bothered me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I
got like, it took me 11 shots to get out
of the sand trap on this one hole. And then
I just, by the end, I was just so fucking pissed. Yeah, yeah.
(10:24):
And the guy to me was like, you know what's
great about golf is that you have the next hole
and it's just a total, it's just a wash. Like
it's just all new. And I was like, yeah, that's
really cool. You're still going to count that 15 I
just got on that last hole, right? Yeah. And then
I was just like, I shouldn't play this. Like, so
my parents put me into track instead in the spring. Oh, yeah. Oh,
(10:45):
so you had football. I could do a 100-meter dash,
and that would be, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
But that was good.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Football and track.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, that was good. Those were the classic sports in
high school. Come on, of course. I know. Golf was
not cool when I was in high school. It was
not cool.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
See, it kind of got, like, I remember my siblings,
it being kind of, you know, it was the Tiger
Woodsification of golf at the time.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
That was when it was cool. And now it's kind
of gone back, I think, into some other.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I don't know what it is. I don't, I don't
know if I'm allowed on courses anymore, but I love
taking a, you know, whack at it.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So that's high school. Did you do sports in college
at Georgetown or did you?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
No, I was the first in my family to not
play a sport, but still like, I mean, I've always
kind of been like a semi gym guy, you know,
I love like, I was maybe going to do like
a running team and then, or a running club, you know,
they kind of really scout intensely for crew on those
East Coast schools for sure. So I thought about that,
but I can't really wake up before 7 unless it's
(11:37):
for overcompensating. I gotta be on camera if I'm gonna
wake up before, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
But did you, you didn't rose. boise right i mean
oh yeah could you imagine i was gonna say in.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
The tub where did you roll it's at the ymca
there yeah it would have been probably a little tricky
in boise we've had a drive to like ketchum or
mccall which or you know ketchup well actually no there's
no lake in ketchum i'm gonna get right for that
um mccall i haven't been home in a while sorry
oh people love to say that to me and i'm
like sometimes i don't know yeah i think i.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Was just at movie theaters i love it i just
love the northwest i do i really i mean it's
a certain vibe to it and it's a and it's
a There's a scent and a smell and a look
and a feel. Right? I'm really excited about the news.
Me too. It's going to be great. I think we
(12:28):
have one of the great father-son relationships. And there's more
to mine that's coming. You know what I mean? About
that relationship. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Like almost Connie got more of the emotional beats in
this season, you know, which I think does make sense
for a lot of these experiences of, you know, when
people come out. I think moms have a different relationship
to it than dads in a way.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yes, I agree.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I've just been rereading this book, The Velvet Rage, which
is kind of about this experience of being in the
closet and as you come out and how that manifests
in different ways for you, you know, and how it
I think kind of changes who you are. And it
talks about that too, the relationship between parents. And so
I think, you know, Looking into season two, I am
excited for also more emotion, I think.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah. Confusion. I'm curious about the journey. I'm looking forward
to the journey. Yeah. Because I think at the end
of the day, this person is your flesh and blood, right?
This is your son or your daughter. Yeah. And that
supersedes everything.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
You know what I mean? Yeah. Whatever they're going through,
whatever's happening... You find acceptance. You find a way to understand.
You work towards that if you're having a difficulty, if
it's not just immediate. Because that can't be denied. That
relationship can't be denied. So I'm curious to find out
how my character sort of finds his way to connect
(13:42):
with you.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
It's also, I'm now having this excitement with writing season
two of like I get to write for you. You know,
it's like the dream before of, you know, and now
I get to know that it's Wally. Or know that
it's Mary Beth for sure. And I think that's.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
What's so exciting. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
And a confidence with you now. You know, it's like I,
like that is so exciting to me that I'm like,
I know you and I know also in being on
set with you, I'm like how, what would be like
fun and enjoyable as an actor to get to do
with you and play. But, you know, I think I
had told you it's so interesting. It's like, parents go
through this journey and then at the other side of it,
they're like wearing pride merch. Yes. And it's just like,
(14:23):
that's so funny. I can see that happening.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
He's like, well, now it's like a sport.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Let's get, let's get into this.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I have the North face pride merch, which my dad does.
And he looks great in it. I'm like, hell yeah, King,
like light that up. Um, he's like, check it. I'm like,
I love the rainbow.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Fabulous. Yes. But all that's, all that's going to awaken,
which I think is really fun.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
And just like, I love doing bits with, I mean,
just you having bits and parent bits are fun to just.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Or I'll lean in. I lean to dad bits. You
know me.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
It's so fun. Yeah. And I want to see the
J.Crew factory with Connie.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
That would be fun too.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I really want to. We got to find a mall. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
And I actually love that relationship too. I love the
fact that I think you really believe that we're parents.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Definitely. That have been together for a long time and
have gone through all sorts of different things. And we're connected.
We're together, but we're also doing our own thing. And
now we're all gone.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
So it's like I think that we were talking about
it in the writer's room. everyone kind of had different
stories of when they left and what their parents, how
that affected their parents' lives because they were like, well,
they've just given 18 years to being so focused on you.
Now they're trying to re-find out who they are without
you in the house. And then almost coming back together
and re-meeting each other as like not parents, but as
(15:34):
like partners, which I think is really.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Inspired by that. I think that's really true. In fact,
my wife and I are facing, our son is in
a senior year. He's just started senior year. So one
year and he's off somewhere.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
We only have one. So it's just like.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
That's a little. I'm not going to terrify you.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Do the dogs become really important?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, I think. Oh, the dogs. My mom is. Oh, absolutely.
The dogs become huge. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Oh my God. We're on that one.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
My dogs smell better than any human I've met. Like
it's explosive.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Like I go home.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Oh, just the coats on those goldens are. We didn't
do goldens. So goldens would have been easier. So then
Scott King, our showrunner, loves chow chows. So that's why we.
Did 12 challenges.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I was like, going, really? Going to Chao Land? Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Well, it's one of these... Okay, so... Oh, going to
Chao Land? Yeah. Okay, clip that. But there was... Clip that! Yes,
our first... I heard clip that. But that's one of
those things where you write in a script, and this
is something that it sounds like, so I feel very
lucky that this is true, but you'll write something in
a script, and you've read it so many times, you
don't even really read the stage direction anymore, so I
(16:41):
kind of forget sometimes. But then, obviously... a production designer,
you know, everyone is, is like, well, this is what's
in script. And like, we want to make the world
come to life as like the writers have written.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
So it would be something like that where all of
a sudden they're like, yeah. And you wanted this girl
to have a service dog. That was a poodle. Right.
And I'm like, yeah. And they're like, well, we've looked
all over Toronto. We found one. And I was just like,
oh my God, I feel so bad. I'm like, we
could have easily cut that.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
It's like your wish is their command.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I'm just like, oh my, they're like, yeah, this is
the way. And I'm like, oh my God, I just
didn't even.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
How much time did you spend? Yeah, exactly. How much
did it cost? And what did it take?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Shout out Josh who found those chow chows for us.
I think that took a really long time to find
chow chow puppies that were okay to be filmed and
be handled by an actor. It was so.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Next time I'll be. Maybe a little.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Thanks, Benny.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah. Yeah. If you have any requests, I'll put them in.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
We're going to do it.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
We're going to do it.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Well, I want to talk a little bit too about,
because we talk about it, we're communicating a lot. I'm
very excited about that. We're going to shoot in Toronto?
What do we know?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I don't know. Campuses are hard. Shooting on campuses is tricky.
So trying to figure that out.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Especially during this school year.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
We had one night that was so, it was one
of those things where then after you just feel like
this is so cool that this is like really happening.
But we were shooting on campus with me and Wally.
And we were doing a golf cart sequence. And then this,
this one where we're walking and, you know, I say
that I'm super picky with girls. And then I ask
her and she's like, I'm not picky at all. And
(18:12):
we look up after a take, cause we kept hearing
like people talking.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
We were like, what?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
And there was like a high school camp that they
had within the dorms in there. They were, it was
an entire row of these like high school boys filming
us and filming her. I was just like, yeah, we
should probably do it on a close. I saw, I
still get, you know, tagged in those videos and I'm like,
that's like, there you go. That was a private.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Well, having a successful show, you know, you're going to be, yeah,
you're going to be highlighted. So, But you've done some
really fun characters, too. So I was not familiar with
these characters when we were together, but I looked into
some of them.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
That's scary to me.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I don't think that you're doing these anymore, but.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
It's been a while.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Deliverance Richards is one that I got a kick out of.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
She would love you. Yeah. She'd love to sell you
a vineyard. I'm all in.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
She's got to.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I miss her a lot. I really do miss being Deliverance.
She was... She is kind of just.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Me, I think. Just free association, going crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Just going to town. Like, I... I loved her. I
did her because I was, I was looking for a
place and I kept meeting with different realtors. And every
single time I found that a few of them I
met with anything I said, they went with. And then,
so I would be like, yeah, I really liked it.
And they're like, isn't it the best? And I'm like, yeah,
but this one thing, you know, I'm not loving. And
(19:31):
they're like, right. Like I'm fucking live there. I'd kill
myself before it. And I'm like, okay, do you like
it or not? I'm like, wait, should I not get it? Right.
And I just, and the outfits and the selling sunset era.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
The fingernails. I remember the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I love having, I wear like gloves instead of a shirt.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I wear like little hats.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I did a pregnant belly at one point just because
I was like, I think she'd be pregnant and still
rocking this. You know, so she was fun.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
That was one of my favorites. Jenny, the TMI hairstylist,
scared me.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
She'd love to give you a cut.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, I bet she would.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I just don't know. She'll give you a dye job.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I would just be like, I'm a deer in headlights.
I'm like, oh no. Was there one that you were like, oh,
this is close to me? Just one of the characters
that you created.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Oh, my God. You know what's funny? Actually, one of
the first characters I did was Haley, who became the
character in the show, played by Holmes so brilliantly. One
of the most talented people I've met. And that was
something where we had done a stand-up show together, like
maybe two years prior to shooting.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I think that's what they said. They said that's how
you met.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
We met backstage. It was at the Elysian Theater. And
it was very kind of this small little backstage that
they have. And It was like immediately foreheads touching. You know,
we're in the corner just like talking to each other,
just throwing up in each other's mouths. And then she
had this incredible set and I was like, God, she's good.
And then when we were auditioning people, she read for
Carmen and Scott King sent it to me and he.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Was like, wow, she's like incredible. And I was like,
oh my God, what?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
And I said, get her on tape for Haley right now.
I have never laughed like that. And I love that
character so much because it was like this first character
i developed yeah you know i initially she was a
character that i had where it's like a girl who
just got back from abroad and then i kind of
used her for a bunch of different things like that
and this kind of i think like bad out of
hell that arrives at college was so yeah i mean
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she writing that part is like a gay man's dream
yeah and having someone like holmes come in yeah it's
just and you know what the way she did it
is that she believed everything she said and like i
think that's why people have responded so well to it
it's because you know she came in and she was,
you know, it's like what you're saying where some things
just inform the character. She was just like, she is
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so loyal. She's obsessed with Carmen. Like she's, she might
even be in love with her.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
And I'm like, I love this.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Like this every, she just found a reason why all
of it made sense to her. And none of it
was what I think some people could read on the page.
And also why I think Adam DeMarco was so great. It's,
he was like, it's not a bimbo. And she was like,
you know, this isn't a bimbo. It's like a kid
who wants to be loved and seen and hasn't been
seen in the right way. Yeah. And I just... An
absolute truth.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Like, she can't be dishonest, which I think is such
an extraordinary quality. Absolutely. You really feel that through the performance.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah. So much more to do with Hayley. Oh, she's...
fun to write for. And knowing that it's Holmes House.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I'm putting in my hat, I'd love a scene with.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Oh, I would love that Haley would be like, your
son's gay.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Wake up.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
She'd be like, are you thick? Your son's gay.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
With her pom-poms.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I already got the voice.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
What you've done with Overcompensating is the people that you know,
your friends... People that you've worked with, that you know
within the circuits, the comedy circuit, the drama circuit, are
in the show. And you brought them and you know
them and you bring them and you let them do
their thing. Like Mary Beth is a great example. I
loved working with her so much.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
It's so funny, when we did those first, the photos
of the family, anyone who I showed it to, they're like,
I kind.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Of get it.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
They're like, I like, they're like, I know who got
each like feature. I know who's who. I was so
glad you got to do that. We did episode seven
with the parents and that you got to see, cause
that was, I think such a amazing showcase of why
I have always responded to her comedy and think she's
so brilliant. Yeah. And that performance that she gives at
(23:26):
the dinner table and, And even that really sad sequence
in the bathroom where she's kind of dressed herself up
and her mom compliments it and it feels good, but
she doesn't want to show that it feels too good.
I just love her in that. That episode was really
for her. It was like we wanted it to be
a showcase of, I think, a great moment for Benny,
but it was so much more about her and the
parents and finding this family unit.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
See, this is the thing, which is what I love.
This is why I think you're doing what you need
to do is because these characters have depth. They have
other things going on. You know, overcompensating, you're covering up something,
you understand that. And you've brought in people that I
think really can do that and can groove in that.
And Mary Beth is one. She's just, you know, there's,
you know, she's got this, there's a sadness in that
(24:09):
that I see that she just lets be there, you know?
Like even that moment when we... which is one of
my favorites. I know exactly what you're about to say.
Bounding out of the house.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I know exactly what you're saying. You're home, my son.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
And she's like, hi, dad. I'm like, oh, hey, how
are you? And I'm just you.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And I go home.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
And I was like, I want to play it like, oh,
he does care, but he cares about his son.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
But this is, you know, sorry. The prodigal son has returned.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, and she's left kind of, there you are.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah. It's interesting, too, because I was so excited. I
feel like people really responded to that character so much, too,
and that's what was so exciting. And I think also,
you know, this idea of a coldness and that being
seen as such a bad, like a bad thing, especially
for women. And I feel like for her to play
that and also kind of do that and it be
(24:56):
triumphant that by the end she does get to return
to more of like a coldness and not trying to
be what all these people want. And I think that
was really exciting to me, kind of being darker, I think,
and then moodier. I think was so, and that's what
I've always seen in her standup too. When I was
doing standup, I was like running around stage, like slapping
my ass and throwing on wigs. And she was just
(25:17):
standing there with a mic and just like so cold
and just sharp.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Great restraint, which I admire so much because I'm not
like that. I have a really hard time.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
What do you mean? Us? Restraining?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I'm like, what? I'll always work with friends. I'm doing
everything with you. Sorry.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
We're done. We're in. It's good.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I think I grew up, I mean, mine was I
grew up with Adam Sandler movies and then watching like
Maya Rudolph and Kristen Wiig and Amy Poehler and watching
them all be in each other's projects. I'm like, well,
this is who inspires me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Crossover. Crossover.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
These are like, yeah. I'm like, sometimes I feel like
I'm fan first.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Well, I was going to ask you, who do you,
I mean, are there people you watch, you admire? Are
there people that conspire to you? And it sounds like comedians. Definitely.
Was there a moment when you were like, this is me.
This is what I'm going to do.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
This is. I do remember seeing Mrs. Doubtfire when I
was really young and Robin Williams and that and being like, wow.
I just felt so much emotion from him and I
think he also carried such like a beautiful, like everything
he did felt really emotional but also just being able
to tap into the comedy and yeah, I just, I
remembered that as a kid like really sticking with me
(26:30):
and being like I would love to do something like this.
Like he just feels, and all of his films I
think I really like followed them as a kid. And SNL,
I mean I, when I was in high school it
was the Maya Rudolph, Amy Poehler, Tina Fey, Kristen Wiig.
So I just, that to me I was so, I
was like electrified by that. It was like every Saturday
(26:50):
I was watching them. And so I think that really
inspired me, but I don't know. I didn't say I
was a comedian until Mary Beth forced me to before
a show. Cause I was just like, I don't know.
I'm just a guy.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
No, you're a comedian.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
You're funny. No. And you're a gay guy.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
But it was so, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
So I, I, I always.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Loved film and TV and they were always places where
I felt like very safe and I think I told you,
but the first time I saw Blue Velvet was in a,
it was called like Senior Seminar. It was a class
I took in high school. And that was, shout out Mrs.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Simmons.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
We watched films for the first time and wrote about
them and kind of analyzed them. And that was where
I was like, whoa, maybe I would want to study this.
And at the time I was still in the closet.
So performing wasn't really on, the menu, really, until I
started to come out.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
And then I was like, shit. What were you saying?
You were like, going up on the stage, you would
be like, oh.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I mean, me as Danny Zuko, people would not have
any questions about, yeah. They'd go, oh, okay, yeah. They're like, yeah,
we've been new. You up to be, I'm football. Yeah,
it would have been two seconds. So I was like,
I'll just do sports and occasionally run. People would say
I run like a girl, which I take as a compliment.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah. I love it. Listen. Bet your ass I do.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
And to that I say, why are you watching? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah. Look at this.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Look at my form.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah. What about you? What was your, do you have
like a moment where you were like, oh, that's.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Kind of couple, a couple actually. Because I was more
high school. We, you know, I did the play and
I did the musical. It was kind of, everybody kind
of did that. There was no stigma to do that.
It was like some of the cool guys, some of
the cool guys, the jocks were actually. In the plays,
you know, in the musicals, because it was a cool
thing to do. Yeah, it was like Washington. There you go.
We were so ahead of our time. But I remember
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doing that and having a great time and going to
college and going, I kind of think about something serious.
I got to study. What am I going to do?
And I was like, well, I'll take some communication courses,
which is like. Perfect. I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
You in a communications course, I got to see that.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I took public speaking and I was terrible, but I
also just took a drama. I took a drama class.
Just like, well, I'll just do an acting class.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Do it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
And I was like, I was like, ah, that was
pretty good. I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, you're like, shit, I'm kind of absolutely incredible at this.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, it's like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I kind of look like an Adonis and I'm fucking
good at this. Yeah, this is crazy. Sorry.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
But I was like, I can't do this. You know
what I mean? But I was like, I was in college.
I was so unhappy.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
And I dropped out my third quarter. I had pledged beta.
I was in the beta house as a fraternity. I said,
this isn't really my vibe so much. But my dad
was a beta. And I was like, oh, I'll try
to do this. And I was like, and I just,
and I took a quarter off. I worked in a mill.
made some money and that summer I went to Summerstock
in North Carolina wow and that's when I was like
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oh I was watching stuff and I got to actually
be a lead character in one of the plays for
one of the weeks they did it it was kind
of a big deal yeah and I was like this
is basically the director just told me everything to do
do this do this do this I was like okay
And I had a really great experience. I was like, wow,
this is really, I feel like something is clicking. But
I still was like, hmm, I don't know. I got
(30:08):
back to college, and there was a program there that
they had that was for repertory theater actors. Three years
training to work, you know, Shakespeare festivals, repertory theaters, that
was going to be it. And I watched what they did.
I went to a couple plays, and I said, I
think I have to do this. And so I worked
really hard to get accepted into the program, which I
was accepted. And then I went for three years. I
was terrible. Just terrible, but I was doing what I
(30:31):
wanted to do. And then I just started working. And
it was like, this is what I'm going to do.
I had no idea I was going to make a living.
I didn't even think about that. It was just like
I really loved this process. And so it was like
a series of doors opening that kind of made sense.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Sometimes wanting to not want it. you know of being
like what was that I can't love this that much
no I'm like no one will something else has to
happen I can't tell someone in the Pacific Northwest I'm
gonna be an actor yeah I'm like they're gonna like
I think a dentist still like one recently asked my
dad like has it been okay they're like is he
(31:07):
still trying to do the acting thing well it's you.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Know we come from kind of rural you know.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah they're just like that's just not a job no
you know so they're like and I just that was
in my head too I studied like Well, I studied English,
so I don't know what, I wasn't doing communications or anything,
so I don't know like how much more I was,
you know, still.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Communications is like, what are you going to do with communications?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
What can happen with that? I didn't even know. That's
the thing too, when people are like, was there a backup?
And I'm like, I think at the time I was like,
I'd love to like help people with music videos. Like
I said shit like that, and they're like, what does
that mean?
Speaker 1 (31:40):
That doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Good luck.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was sort of my, yeah, just
kind of the process, my process, which was, thank God,
you know, and it sort of, wow. why did I
have such a hard time accepting this, what was clearly
something that I was better at than everything else?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I don't know still if I don't think I've really
done a play, but I'm dying to.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I really want to do one.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
We should do one.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I read somewhere that you were interested in doing that, maybe.
I think so.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I almost did one recently, but then it just didn't
work with the show. But I was really sad to
not do it, because I was like, that would be...
And then randomly, when I was living in Brooklyn... There
was a friend who was doing a production of Alice
in Wonderland and they needed a Mad Hatter. And they
always had like someone come and do the Mad Hatter.
And I almost did, but then I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
That would be fun.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
And that would have been fun.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
The Mad Hatter, that would be great.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I mean, I love that. Yeah. That's my wheelhouse.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I could see he was a Mad Hatter. You can?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Oh, yes.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Okay, good.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Or like Willy Wonka. I mean, all those kind of
like old Johnny Depp ones were really huge. I mean,
that Willy Wonka was like, I was in for Halloween.
Like that was. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
With a little bob. Well, any excuse to wear a wig. Well,
you're Courtney, right?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Is that the one that has the- Courtney, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
They changed their hair so much.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
With the widow's peak, which I thought was a stroke
of brilliance. Whose idea was that?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
The widow's peak was me. I really started to get into-
Cruella de Vil type. Exactly. I did start to really
enjoy making my face look more and more like a person.
I just found that somehow my face just felt like
It lent itself in makeup.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
So I was really close. I was like, it just
doesn't quite look like her. And then I was like,
all right, let me look at her one more time
and see what's different. Yeah, yeah. And then there was
a way to, and I didn't have a wig, so
I just.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Took a eyeliner and made it.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
And I was like, we've got it.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
You know, it's funny, because I was talking with an
actor I really respect, and we were talking about process.
And I said, how do you, what, where do you
drop in to the character? What's the, ah, I got it.
I got it. It could be the shoes that you wear,
the shoes, and I've got it. And from there, everything
kind of grows. And he said, the voice. And I said,
that's interesting. And I said, but I think in the process,
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also the look. I remember doing Mr. C in Twin
Peaks Return. And I remember we were putting the character together,
kind of little by pieces and stuff. And then David
did like kind of a dirt stipple on my face.
And I said, I got it.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
It is so, it sounds so like actor-y, but it
is that moment where you kind of go, oh, I
know it.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
It's connected.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, you're just like, it's one little thing where you're like,
it's so, that's so, it really can be that.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
It gives you, yeah, but it gives you the, you
just know they're real. Yeah, it gives you the, Okay,
the door opened. Now I believe it. And now I
believe it until I can make it happen in the
widow's peak, I think.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, it's like widow's peak or.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
But I love that you played with the face too,
with the look.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
The voice is so interesting.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, the voice is good. I thought that was an
interesting choice because I said, yeah, that would work. Where
do you pitch? Where do you find it?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Well, Benny, it was so hard because it was like,
I am in the closet and some people are believing
it and some people aren't. So what is that? How
much do we get to play within... how deep the
voice goes or how masculine I'm, you know, or how
thick my neck is. Like I found, I also find
posture to be like really posture. And then this sounds
(35:03):
kind of, but, Sometimes I do. It's helpful to think
of how a character would have sex. I know that's right.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Sorry, dad. No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I don't want to talk about this in front of you,
but it's like season two is going to be a
lot of this. So we've got to get ready. But
I think it just I it's like helpful to think
of them or in a relationship. I think it's helpful
to me. Yeah. Well, the physicality. Exactly. I'm like, how
would they how would they be? You know, that's really difficult.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I think that's brilliant to ask yourself those questions.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
It's helpful.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
This or this or this. Because it gives you a picture,
it gives you a feeling, more importantly. And out of
that comes behavior, movement, how you interact with somebody, how
you might touch someone or grab someone or just anything
like that. Totally.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I had one character where I was like, he would
shower before sex. Yeah. And it just like, to me,
I'm like, oh, I so get it. Like, he's just
kind of hell.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
I've played characters like that before.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
You know, where it's like, he's just that guy. I'm like,
I don't know how to describe it. Now I kind
of get it.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
No, that informs everything.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
You know, it's just like a little, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
It informs everything. And I think that's a process, organic process,
where I think it's really, really important. Yeah. Oh, excited.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I would love to draw one on you. I'm going
to do that. I'll bring that wig.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I could do, because there was, you remember the Munsters? Oh, yeah. Okay,
so Eddie Munster, the little kid. Yeah, of course. At
a widow's peak.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
And when I was younger, when I had more hair,
and my hair was black. Literally black hair.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
You have so much hair just on the record.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
It's hanging in.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
It looks great.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
But I look back when I was a kid and
I knew who it was because my son, his hair
is so thick you can't even see the scalp. It's
like that. God. And that's what my hair was like.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
God bless.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
And it was jet black.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
And it was like there was an Eddie Munster thing happening. Yeah.
That was good. And then I had a friend of
mine who actually even looked like him. Also black hair
until we nicknamed him Eddie. I'm sure Eddie Munster was
so happy.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
He was so excited to get that. God means the world.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
What's it for? Eddie Munster, I said. But The Widow's Peak, yeah,
that's a killer. That's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Thank you so much. I miss being Courtney. I wonder,
I haven't done her in a while.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I'm here with, I wonder if I, just, yeah, there
we go. There's always, do you have the one word?
Does that help for you? Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Like if I do walk in a second. I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
No. No.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah. And then when I did, I did a lawyer
and he was from Texas and the word for me
was snow cone.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Snow cone.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
And I'm locked in.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
You're locked in. Yeah. So what was it for Courtney?
What was it?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Courtney, I think it was just you. Like that to
me was just going just.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Right in there.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
And now I have it. Yeah. Kyle McLaughlin, you are
just such a tease.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
You are so.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
You crazy guy. Sweet.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I'm a big, big fan.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, well, of course. I know. Yeah. That's why I'm here.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
How could you not be?
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah. God, she was fun. I do remember after, though,
it's like, you know, family and friends around me, they're like, oh,
I still hear Courtney.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
And I'm like, oh, yeah, sorry, I was shooting today.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, I was in front of the green screen. I'm
losing it.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
And she seemed to be a good sport about it, right?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Lovely.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah. I think it was Dana Carvey who said this.
I don't know if it's attributed to him, but I said,
if you want to learn a voice, because he would
do Bush, he said, You have to hear somebody else
do the voice, like maybe an extreme version. And then
you learn from them. Instead of learning from the person
that you're going to imitate, somebody else has to do it.
Then you're like, oh, I picked that up. You know
what I mean? So it's like maybe you listen to
(38:18):
someone who does a really great version, you know, and
go that way. So I don't know. But you sound
like you went right.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
I went to her because I just needed to.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
It was also extreme. I mean, it was good.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I think I went pretty extreme because in hearing her talk,
I was like, I'm, you know, it's a... I had
one person give me like a note once and I
was like, yeah, I mean, I am a man doing it.
So just like, fuck off. You know, I'm like, I
think we're okay. This feels like within the world. You
know who I'm trying to be.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
We're bracketing here.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Just like chill, okay? We have a different... We have
different chords. Yeah, I watched that. And then one... I
remember one thing that was, Shawn Mendes was kind of
tricky for me at first, but I just watched a
few interviews and sometimes it is just hearing how they
say one or two words. And him saying lovely was really,
I was like, I know exactly how to get my
voice to sound like that. And that was like the one,
(39:05):
you know, it's just, I don't know. But I do
think in hearing someone, I think maybe I heard Chloe
Fineman do Timothee Chalamet once. And I was like, oh yeah.
He's tough. He's really hard, but then he's way more
physical than... You know, it's more like, yeah, that's fun too.
I can see you wanting to do it.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
I want to, but I don't have enough. I haven't
studied him yet. I mean, maybe I'm such a nice guy.
I know you can do it.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Oh, I'm such a nice guy. He seems fantastic, but
I'm like.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
But I like the extreme ones, you know, the Gawakan
or the. But we were playing earlier with.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I should do that.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
It's David Attenborough here.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
And today.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
We're talking with Benny Trout.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Oh, this is fantastic. See where I got it from?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Survive.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Wait, do you get that? He is in the wild.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
He perpetuates the ongoing process of a man at his peak. Stop. Truly.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I wish David would talk about me like that. Fuck.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
He will.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
That was delicious.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
But I love that.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
That's really good.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
But I need an extreme.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I have one for you. It's Daniel Craig in Knives Out. Oh.
There's been a murder. I can't stop saying it. I
keep saying it to Mary Beth, too, and she goes, oh,
here's Benoit. He came into that movie with such a
hot take on this Texan accent. It's breathtaking. I think
(40:35):
about it a lot.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
I remember that. I have to watch it again to
get a sense of him.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Well, we should be in one. It seems kind of
fucked up at this point.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
I think so, too.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
But I think that's the joy. It's like, cause I
thought that too with Parker Posey in White Lotus, the
first episode I was like, oh, I don't know this accent.
Like I, and then by the middle I was like,
it's just like, it's a stroke of genius. This accent
is like, it is such a choice in like, and
it delivers.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
It was me like watching Peter Dinklage in Game of Thrones.
I was like, Not English necessarily. No, but. What is it?
Speaker 2 (41:08):
But fuck yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
But I was like, yeah, I'm down. I'm down.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Go. Why not? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Great.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I love that. We're going to a break. So we'll
see you. We'll be back. Don't go away. For this segment,
I designed just for you. I've cribbed a bit from
you and Mary Beth's segment. Perfect.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Called.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Ride, and this is called Can I Give You a Ride?
Speaker 2 (41:39):
And I wish you would.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Be careful.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I drove here, which is not, I shouldn't be allowed to.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
All right, so you're good. I'm going to give you
these glasses. You can put these on. I don't want
you to get any bugs on your eyes.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
You want me in the shiny ones.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I do. Whoa. I like to drive fast.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Balenciaga. Right?
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Okay. I'm going to list.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
I'm going to list. I'm going to put some on too.
Does that look good?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
It looks good.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, that's great. That's the face of Balenciaga. Do you
guys get that? No free ads. no free ads bleep that.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
What are you talking about our shirts this this is
i wore this and you wore that and that there's something.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
That's crazy that's called family that's family in my head
now i can't see but i can yeah yes but
i did i'm gonna close my eyes no okay but
color any color oh my god i know well this
is very red pill blue pill of you um.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yes what's gonna look better with With us.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
To me, I'm blue.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Blue? I'll go red. I'll go red. Okay. You're going
to tell me if you, I'm going to tell you
a few things I ride for, and you're going to
tell me if you.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yep. Whoops.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Let me just. Also ride for that.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
You need croquis on those.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
This is what I need. I need croquis.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
You knew that term. Yeah, exactly. You know that term, right?
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I was in the yard sawing up some bamboo and sweating,
and they kept falling off my head.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
That's what I'm sawing bamboo. Sawing bamboo in my backyard.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
All right, I'm going to go with.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I might have to take that for season two. I
was sawing bamboo.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
In the backyard. Bamboo, I'm ready. I'm gardening in the backyard. Okay,
we're gonna ride, see if you ride with me, whether
it's a carpool or not. Okay, you ready?
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
To me, it's like, yeah, this is.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Okay, good, and we're kind of moving. Remember how you
do with shots, like if you have to do driving scenes?
Speaker 2 (43:10):
So I've only booked things I've written for myself. Oh.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I don't really, I haven't done that, but I'm dying
to do that.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
A driving scene?
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Oh, let's do it. It's hard to, yeah. Because it's
a good place for conversations.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Like a parent in an Uber is so explosive. You know?
Speaker 1 (43:27):
I'm up for that. I feel so, yeah. Okay, I
ride for wearing indoor shoes outdoors. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Absolutely. I slap on an Ugg and I rip through. Yes.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Yeah, I love that. A slipper Ugg.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
A little bear paw if you're getting nasty.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Oh, that's good. I think that's fantastic. What's the shoe
of choice? I like the Ugg. I think your suggestion
was right.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Fuzzy. Fuzzy inside. It has to be a slippery, fuzzy inside.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Would I then wear them into a bed or put
them on the couch? Probably not.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
No, you'd bring them inside, but you could wear them inside,
depending on what you walk through on the outside. Sometimes
you just leave them at the door.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I love leaving them at the door.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
A little clog. Come on.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Deal with it.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
I ride for gardening.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
So I'm glad you do. I personally don't, but I
love that you do.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Wait, so you grew up in Boise, but there's no gardening.
I guess that was a thing you did in the Northwest.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Like, my mom does. Like, my mom loves her garden,
and I leave her to it.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I think I just, plants see me coming, and they
get a little thirsty.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Don't mess with him, okay.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
But I do, I love the thought of you out there,
and I love going to someone's garden that they're really
proud of.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Ah, good, we'll have you over for sure.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Having little tomatoes, a little blueberry, why not?
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yes, controversial take, but I ride for Steve Brady.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Okay, sure. I think that's fantastic. From Sex and the City. Yeah.
That's who you're... For a second, I thought, is that
an athlete? Steve Brady, 100% I ride. Okay. I think
he's fantastic. Excellent. I think I recently... I mean, I
recently told Kristen that I thought... I mean, he... Yeah.
He's a 10.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah. Yeah. Hey, he's no Trey McDougal.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
No, no.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Relax.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
But I mean... I mean, he's the ultimate.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
It got really quiet.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
He's the ultimate, ultimate.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
But I think he's fantastic and he's so... You know.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Keep your eyes on the road. Keep your eyes on
the road.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Oh, of course.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
But to me, yeah, I really did like them together.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
I thought they were kind of a beautiful... I ride
for being silly on social media. I mean, come on.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
I go, I don't. I want to be really serious.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yes, you are. Your social media is incredible. It's very moody. Yeah, yeah.
I'm driving a little fast right now. Slow down a
little bit because you're kidding.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
See, this is why I'm not allowed to drive cars.
This is me on the turn.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Silly on social media.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Watch out. Yeah, oh, I.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
100%.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
And yours is.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
You inspire me.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Oh, that's nice to hear. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Because I get sometimes scared of TikTok because I feel
like I didn't come up on it. So sometimes I'm like,
how would I?
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Well, I have a team here. They're absolutely genius and
they help me. They're my guides. A true king. Okay.
I ride for kale.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Oh, yeah. Right? Yeah, I love kale.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
I mean, you're healthy.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Kale, sometimes when I'm eating it, I look up after
two hours and I think, I'm still eating this. But
I do like it.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
That's because you're not full. It's crazy. Kale doesn't fill
you up.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
It does. I think it does make me bloated.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
But it does gas. Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah. But I do.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
I love kale. Kale's great.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah, kale's good.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Put it in a smoothie.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
It's delicious.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I like kale with a little bit of like a little,
I like a salt, oil, a little bit of honey. Oh, shit.
And a tiny bit of balsamic.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
And a cigarette.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
And a cigarette.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Well, you know what I love?
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Damn right.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
The kale Caesar.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Well, kale is my nickname from David. Oh, I love that. Yeah,
he called me Kale. And he wasn't the one who
thought of it originally. Well, he thought of calling me Kale. Oh,
that's incredible. But it was the late producer Dino De
Laurentiis who couldn't pronounce Kyle. Yeah, so he called me Kale.
And David loved that.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
That's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
That's it from now on. I'm Kale.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
We're driving off a cliff right now, by the way.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
We are definitely. We've driven off the cliff. We're flying
right now.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
This is Thelma and Louise.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Thelma and Louise moment. I ride for the nerd emoji.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Oh, is that the little teeth and the glasses? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
So cute. Love.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
I don't know if I've ever used it, but I
love receiving it. I mean, how cute.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
I don't know. Because my nerd emoji, or the emoji
I go with, I mean, a thumbs up a lot,
heart a lot. I like the emoji with the two,
the eyes with kind of squinting clothes and smiling.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Oh, I like that.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Like, oh, God, maybe that was too much.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
I like the one where he's kind of like, eh. Oh, yes.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Yeah, laughing behind.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Because I feel like that a lot. I'm like, oh,
life is so embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
You shouldn't have said that.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah, but I did. But I'm kind of cute here.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
What the fuck? Yeah. Oh, here's a good one. I
ride for Chow Chows, the dog Reed. Oh, yeah. What's
your thought about that? Huh? Not to piss off the
Chow Chow.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
I love Chow Chows. I don't know if I want
to shoot with the Chow Chow again. I think Chow
Chows prefer to be off camera.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Very, very diplomatic. I like that.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
But I think they're beautiful dogs.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Scott King.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Yes. Our wonderful showrunner overcompensating. Yeah. He had one named Osito. Yeah.
And he's... Such a kink. So I love Chow Chows,
but Chow Chow puppies.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
That's another story.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I think, you know, maybe off camera.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah, off camera. Very good. Very good. I ride for
being a podcast host. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Could you imagine? I go, die.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Hate it.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Not happening. No way.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
I hate Mary Beth.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
I'm so glad you are one now.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
I'm having so much fun.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
I know you are.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
I can feel it. I've got to say, I didn't
really know getting into it, but I was like, you
know what? I'm actually really enjoying this because I get
to learn. You're so curious. Yeah, I am curious, and
I get to learn and ask questions, and I think...
think that's it is that it for our ride how
far did we go up we know what's coming up
for you yeah yeah you're going into the writer's room
right now and you're going to write some beautiful.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Stuff i'm going into a k-hole for a bit and
then i'll once i climb back out i've got i'll
have some gifts for you i'm so excited me too
i'm so excited to be here i can't believe that
i know you now yeah We're pals. I can just
bother you whenever.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
You can bother me whenever, except for... Yes. Never mind.
But it's been a real pleasure. It's been a real pleasure.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
I'll talk to you forever. Okay.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Everybody. Bless your heart. Love you too. We're in for
another season. Thanks for coming on. That's our show. And
we're sticking to it. Did we discover? What are we
even doing? I don't know if we did, but we
had a good time doing it.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (49:07):
What are we even doing?
Speaker 2 (49:08):
We're family. We're doing this. It's working.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
We're creative.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Whatever we're doing, we're having fun.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
We're having fun. There you go.
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