04-11-24 FULL SHOW - National Pet Day is Upon Us, Plus Boring Attractions

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Welcome, Welcome, welcome. We'retalking Faiza today, the section seven oh
two that was abused by the FBI. There was a kerfuffle in Congress.
We're going to talk to Congressman ThomasMassey about and get more expert advice on
that. It's also National Pet Daytoday, so tell me your stories of
your most favorite pet. That andso much more coming up, So keep
it right here. We have abig show plan. I've got to jump

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into the blog because I've got myfirst guests coming up in about seven minutes
and I want to be ready.Find the blog. Okay, I'm gonna
explain this one more time because theygot another email. Go to mandysblog dot
com. That's gonna take you too. That's gonna take you to the Kowa
website. That's my pagere on theKoa website. And then then you're gonna
look for a little headline under aphotograph. The photograph today is of a

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man with a dog. Okay,you look for that photograph, and then
you look for the headline that saysfor eleven twenty four blog National Pet Day
is upon us plus boring attractions.Click on that. You click on that
headline and here are the headlines youwill find within poppy and jinks. This
is for you, Yes off SouthAmerican all with ships and clipments. A
SA press plant today on the blogYou've got to go see MJ at the

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the Internet is used for good.I would have judged her incorrectly. Those
are the headlines on the blog atmandy'sblog dot com. Happy birthday a Rod's
mom. I hope this is thefirst of many, many, many more,
many more happy healthy birthdays, andso on and so forth. Now
why am I talking to Congressman ThomasMassy. I'm the Great Commonwealth of Kentucky
because once again he took to theHouse floor yesterday to make an impassioned speech

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about something that is so convoluted thatI've got not one, but two guests
on it today. First of all, I booked my second guest, who's
coming on at one o'clock about it. And then I saw Congressman Thomas Massey's
speech on the floor of the Houseof Representatives about the vote that took place
yesterday about FISA. Now we allknow that PISA was abused during the Trump

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administration and PEISA warrants are required tospy in certain situations, and they're supposed
to be used incredibly sparingly, andthey're not supposed to be used on American
citizens unless there's a super really reallyreally really really really really good reason.
And we know that FBI agents lied, FBI attorneys lied on a PISA application

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to get a warrant to spy onmembers of the Trump campaign. That is
not in question. We know thathappened. Okay. Now they're trying to
renew FISA, and people like ThomasMassey are trying to put in provisions that
would provide more guardrails. And oneof the things I want to ask him
about today is why are there notguardrails that put people in jail, Because

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as far as I know, nobodyhas gone to jail for lying on a
PHISA warrant to spy on a presentcampaign. Well, let's ask Congressman Thomas
Massey. Good morning, sir,how are things in the swamp? No,
they're very swampy today, I guess. So I want to jump right
into this because there's a lot oflike swirling punditry about what happened yesterday about

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this fisis situation. So if youcould lay the groundwork and tell people what
actually occurred, I sure would appreciateit. Okay, well, I'll assume
everybody knows what fights is and whyit's bad. Yeah, and I'll just
go into what happened yesterday. Soyesterday there was a procedural vote. It's
called a rule resolution. It comesfrom the Rules Committee. These accompany every

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bill that comes to the floor,and they say how long we're going to
debate the bill, what objections arein order, and which amendments can be
offered on the floor for a vote. So this is a procedural vote where
typically one of the majority votes forit and everybody in the minority votes against
it. The procedural vote failed becauseteen Republicans joined all of the Democrats Adam

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Schiff, Nancy Pelosi had Keem Jeffriesand stopped the forward motion of everything on
the floor. So they stopped notjust the underlying fights to bill, they
stopped six amendments, three of themI had planned to vote for. One
of them is critical. It requiredthe government to get a warrant if they
want to spy on Americans using thebackdoor feature of seven h. Two,

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and they stopped three other random buildsthat were in this package. So they
just shut down everything on the floor. Now there was, you know,
this thing that got around the world, this message that, oh, they're
nineteen heroes who saved us from fights. Well, first of all, FISA
didn't expire. It's going to comeback. It may come back in worse
form, we don't know. TheSpeaker could suspend the rules bypass trying to

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have a resolution that allows us toget amendments and just bring the bill to
the floor with no opportunity to voteon warrants. That's one of my concerns.
And meanwhile fights, it just keepschugging along the program itself. So
the question, you know, andby way, on that vote, that
procedural vote, there were nineteen peopleand they're being lauded as heroes. But

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let me tell you who's not onthat list of nineteen who have fought.
Who's a nail against the unconstitutional aspectsof fight. Jim Jordan's not on that
list, Marjorie Taylor Green's not onthat list. Warren Davidson's not on that
list. I'm not on that listbecause we were trying to get a vote
on the warrant, and that isone of the things that got destroyed yesterday
was having a vote on the warrant. So what you're trying to do with

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the warrant provision is ensure that theyou know, no American intelligence or investigative
organization can spy on an American citizenwithout a warrant, Right, that's what
you're trying to do, right.Well, so to target American an American,
they do need a warrant. Butwhat they're doing is they're saying,

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we're targeting foreigners. Now they're collectingthis information. They're like co located with
internet service providers, they're collecting itin the United States, Okay, and
they're collecting a whole lot of information. And they said, because we're pursuing
foreign people overseas, everything we collectedis fair game. And we don't to
go into that giant haystack of stuffwe've already collected. To put Mandy Connell's

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name in there. Now, here'sthe big red flag. And I'm against
red flag laws, but maybe weneed red flag laws for bill. This
a restraining order on this bill becauseI found a red flag in it.
There's four pages of exemptions for congressmen. What if they want to use this
program, this spy on Americans andone of those, and that American is

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one of one hundred senators, ofone of four hundred and thirty five members
of the House, then they haveto come to Congress and notify the chair
and ranking member of the Intel Committeeand the Speaker her minority leader that we're
spying on one of your members.Here's who it is, and here's why.
But let me get us. That'snot there for presidential candidates, right,

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it's not. They would argue,there's something already there to protect presidential
candidates. I'm not really buying it. By the way, this doesn't protect
congressional candidates. It only protects incumbents. And here's the trick they always use.
They say, oh, we thinklike a Russian is trying to influence
you, and we're doing this queryfor your own good. And the bill

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says that if the FBI is goingto spy on a congressman for his own
good, he has to get thecongressman's permission. Oh my god, wouldn't
it be nice to do that forevery American? The reality is the congressman
don't trust this damn bill, andthey had to put this provision in there
because they found out among the hundredsof thousands of illegal spine that went on

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was the Congressman on the Intel Committeewas being spied on by the FBI.
So he demanded in exchange for hisvote, that Congress gets a carve out.
And that is really bad rules forthee and not for me. Thomas
Massey is my guest. Okay,let me ask you this. The only

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thing that still chaps my hide aboutthe abuses of VISA that we know have
already happened. Is it, tomy knowledge no one's gone to jail on
no one's been fired, even thatI'm aware of, for clearly violating the
rules. There needs to be somemeat on the bones of the repercussions for
the abuse of FISA. In myview, is there any chance that could
happen? So the one guy wholied to the vis a judge and falsified

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information on the applications for a warrantto spy on Carter Page, he got
a flap on the wrist. Henever went to jail. I think he's
back to practicing law, et cetera, et cetera. It was, it
was so minor for such an obviousimpraction. Even Democrats. I got them
to admit in the debate yesterday thatthat actually happened. It's not some right
wing conspiracy. Now, the authorsof this base bill would tell you,

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oh, we've got fifty three newprovisions that will protect you and heightened,
heightened criminal penalties for people that abusethe program. Here's the problem. They're
the ones who are supposed to enforceit. Oh yeah, I'm going to
police themselves. Is the DJ,the FBI is part of the DJ.
Is the DJ going to prosecute peoplein the DJ? It never happens,

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right, And that's that's the rubright there for me. I mean,
don't get me wrong. I wantour government to have the ability to go
after bad actors you know, aroundthe world. I do, But I
don't trust them. And that makesme sad to say that. But I
don't trust them because they've proven themselvesto be untrustworthy and you shouldn't trust them.

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They even admitted they used this programtwo hundred thousand times in one year
wrongly by their own standards, andtheir own standards aren't even constitutional toward Wait
two, did you say two hundredthousand times wrongly. How many times are
they using it rightly? Uh,that's a good question. Now they will

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tell you. Don't worry, Mandy, we've only collected information on members of
Hamas and so blah blah blah.But we know that an NFA employee did
a search for a tender date inthis database. Well, they were probably
a member of HAMAS. I mean, you don't want to hook up with
it with a member of Hamas,Thomas, that was protectionary. Don't call
that into question. Come on,yeah, I doubt the information that that

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employee was looking for was whether thistender date was a member of Hamas.
Probably there's enough information in there todivine which websites they went to and who
else they might be dating or havedated. So that's you know, you
can't tell me this database has onlygot foreign intelligence information if somebody at the

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end was abusing it to check outa date to do a background check,
so it's a bad program. We'retrying to get a vote on a warrant,
and this is a vote to watch. This is a vote that didn't
happen yesterday because people stopped all forwardprogress. There might be a vote today
or there might not. They're tryingto put a deal together to let everything

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go forward. So let's just saythat a vote doesn't happen. Right,
Let's just say the same group ofpeople decide they're going to stop this on
procedural grounds. What do you foreseehappening? Because I just don't see FAISSA
being left to peter out, youknow what I mean, I just don't
see that happening. So what's thenext logical step here? FISA ain't going

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away. Yeah, I mean,as much as I would like for it
too, but I think they shouldbe able to spy on foreigners who aren't
here. That's fine, But thisprogram, this seven oh two program,
ain't going away. There's speculation thatlegally, even Congress only renewed it to
April nineteenth of this month, thatbecause the Court reauthorized it after Congress extended

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it, that the Court has precedentand that they will basically, you can
use it until twenty twenty five,even if Congress doesn't do anything. So
they've already said, basically, wethink we've got legal basis to keep using
this program. But what's likely tohappen is if we can't get this bill
to the floor, going through RulesCommittee, and offering amendments to it.

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It's likely that the Speaker will justbreak all the rules. He did it
on the Omnibus, he claims he'sgoing to do it on Ukraine. He'll
just break all the rules and putit on the floor. Now. In
exchange for doing that, he needstwo thirds vote, which means he'll have
to get a lot of Democrats,and he'll probably give the Democrats something to
get it done. It'll be anightmare scenario. That's the that's the worst

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one that I want to avoid.And you'll get no recorded vote on whether
we should have a warrant or not. In that circumstance, it's going to
be interesting to see who votes againstthe warrant. Yes, that's what we
want. We want that recorded voteon the warrant. We've been trying for
years to get this. And theconspiracist in me thinks that some of the

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Intel Committee is happy that some ofthese other people blew it up, because
it was actually the Intel Committee thatblew it up eight weeks ago. So
they just don't want to be onrecord as voting against this warrant. Correct,
and the Intel Committee, most ofthose people are okay voting against the

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warrant, they'll be just fine.They've been hand picked for that kind of
nefarious stuff and they're safe in theirdistricts. But there's a whole swath.
I mean, they're going to beone hundred and eighty people who aren't on
Intel, who aren't on Judiciary,who haven't already weighed in on this in
their committees, who are going tohave to wade into it for the first
time, and man haven't helped them. If they vote against that amendment requirement,

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and you know, I think alot of them are kind of happy
this thing blew up and they didn'thave to vote on it. Would be
just as happy as that they blowedup. So that's why we're trying to
get a vote on it, sothat the voters can then sort the week
from the chaff after this vote happens. I'm glad I chance we can win.
Oh, I'm glad I talked toyou, because, like I said,
there's a lot of punditry whizzing aroundright now that is completely misrepresenting everything

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you just explained and essentially saying thesebrave people decided to stop FISA, and
now that they've done it, it'sover. It's like no, it's it's
it's not over at all. Itwas a temporary alignment with with Hakeem Jefferies
and Nancy Pelosi and Adam shiff andyou can't maintain that alignment. What will
happen is Speaker Johnson will go talkto those folks. Those three folks want

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fight to reauthorize and they don't give, you know, two shakes about a
warrant. And so it's a temporaryparliamentary you know, impediment to getting this
to the floor, and it blewup our chances of getting the vote on
the warrant. So right now todayI'm on the Rules Committee. I'm sitting
here. I'll get one hour's noticewhether I've got to go back to that

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committee and we put Humpty Dumpty backtogether again with the nineteen. May be
given something in exchange for that,although I'm doubtful we can put Humpty Dumpty
get back together in it, andthen we'll put it back on the floor
and get our vote on the warrant. All right, Thomas Massey, get
to it. I mean, Igot to tell you, whenever something pops

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up, this is my new strategy. I immediately go to Twitter, and
I look for Congressman Thomas Massey becausehe's going to have something on there that's
going to explain exactly what you justexplained. So if you ever are confused
about something that just happened in theHouse of Representatives, do the same because
they'll break it down for you invery simple, easy way. Understand there.
Okay, So go do your joband make this happen. And if

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you can slide in life in prisonfor someone who have used as FAISA,
that would be awesome. Right,that will work on that, all right,
listen in all right, Congressman,thanks for making time for me today.
All Right, have a good one. We will be right back after
this. We're gonna come back tothe fis the thing and a little bit
just happened to book two guests onit today at the same time. Not
the same time, but I wantto say this. Last night I went

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to see MJ at the Denver Centerfor Performing Arts. It is the touring
Broadway show about Michael Jackson. Holycrap, is it good. I mean,
it is so freaking good. Ifyou're a child of the eighties,
a child of the glory years ofMichael Jackson. For me, Off the
Wall is my favorite Michael Jackson album. I realized that that's not as popular

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as Thriller or Bad or any ofthe other albums. But this show is
a spectacle. It is so entertaining. So if you've been thinking about it
or on the fence, go seethe show. I'm trying to get somebody
from the cast on the show tomorrow, which would be amazing, because every
single person in this cast is incredible, just absolutely incredible. So and no,

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they don't kind of wander into thewhole child thing. They don't get
into that. It's about a veryspecific moment in time in Michael Jackson's life
when he was preparing for the DangerousTour, and they made a documentary about
him, so it covers his lifeup until that point. And it's just
so so so good. I mean, it's so good. You gotta go

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see it now. Today is Nationalpet Day? Did you do anything for
Poppy this morning day? I toldJinkies, I'm gonna get her a little
treat on the way home. Althoughmy daughters she no, she doesn't know,
she doesn't, she's sleeping right now. She is so spoiled. And
I realized this that I used tobe the person who made fun of people
who spoiled their animals, and nowI am that person. Yes, I'm

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that person. When you have thatpet that's worthy of it, you're like,
oh man, I get it now. Well. And I wanted to
bring this question up because I thinkit's an interesting question. And the older
you are, the more the morepets you have to choose from. Right
when you're younger, like, isPop your first dog? That's your dog
that lived with you only and notyour parents too. Yes, okay,

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so Poppy's your first pet I've had. I've had like, well, dogs,
eight or nine, well, okay, eight or nine dogs in my
mostly adult life, and I've hadtwo. Don't get me wrong, all
my dogs were great. I lovethem, but I've had two that were
just stand out animals. One isJinx, my Saint Redard, because I've

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never had a dog with this muchpersonality and this much sass in my life.
I've never had a dog that understandsthe commands that I give her.
Because when we're in my house andI'm standing there with treat my hand,
oh boy, she knows how todo everything. As soon as we walk
outside, she's like, oh,I'm sorry, I can't be bothered with
that. I'm talking about Jake well, and Poppy's tiny, so imagine having

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a one hundred and fifty five poundPoppy that doesn't listen. But she's also
the most adorable, sweet, lovinganimal I have ever had in my life.
Oh, bring her over anytime.Bring her over anytime, because she
could get little dogs. Little dogseither love Jinks or they try to attack

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her, which always cracks me up, like, what are you gonna do?
You fourteen pound whatever you are,what do you really think is gonna
happen here? But Jinks is verygood with small dogs, She's very gentle.
But I also had a chow shepherd, Vix, and she was,
first of all, the most beautifuldog I've ever had. She was had
German Shepherd ears and snout, butwas fuzzy like a chow, and she

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had a spotted tongue. This wasby far the smartest animal I have ever
owned in my life. And Iwould say things like she would come up
and want to go outside, andI'd say, I need five minutes.
And when I first when Chuck andI were first friends, right, I
would say I need five minutes andshe'd go just like this, and she
turned around to walk away, andI'd say, just wait, she'll be

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back in five minutes. And IAm not kidding you. It's like she
went over in the corner and countedto three, you know what I mean,
And exactly five minutes later she wouldwalk up and be like, Okay,
it's been five minutes and the firsttime she did it, and Chuck
was like, that's kind of amazing. I'm telling you. She's the smartest
dog ever. But she was alsonot nice to other people. She never
bit anyone, but she would putyou on notice that she was not a

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fan. Are you sure you arenot talking about Bobby. This is a
different dog, What the hell?Totally different dog? Spinning image. Yeah,
so it was. It was reallyI thought maybe today we could have
a little convo with our listeners aboutthe best pets they ever had, because
everybody has the best pets. Everybodyhas that animal that they just thought was

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the end all be all, thatthat animal thought they were the end all
be all, and that's why wehave pets for us. We had Bassett
Hounds growing up, well we onlyhad one at a time, so we
had one Lafayette and then another Rocky, and as amazing as Lafayette was so
nice, so well trained, sosweet, Rocky was a bit of a

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pain in the bike and it didwound up not working out. But it
was like polar opposite. And yousee. But my question always was when
you have a great pet and thenyou try to follow that up, is
it not that the next one isn'tbad, but then you just compare to
the great pet that you had.Yeah, it's like ad it's hard to
not compare. And then we havePoppy, and I mean Poppy is different.
Like you said, when it's yourown, like your own animal,

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you're fully responsible for that little facethat every day ever, I know,
I know everything. Could you showa picture of that dog? Please?
Can't imagine a child Shepherd mix.I will find one. Oh, she
was beautiful, like a really,really, really beautiful dog. People would
and during the summer, because welived in Florida and she had this big
chow coat, I would take herand get her shaved. So I took

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her in one time. This iswhat it's like living in the South.
And I speak Southern okay, soI understand thick accents a vast majority of
the time. So I go intothe to the you know, the what's
the groomer. The Groomer's the wordI'm looking for. I go to the
groomer and I'm like, look,I just need her. She just need
her shave for the summer. Andshe goes, you want a line cut,

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and I was like, a limecut. What I mean, what
is that? And I was like, sure, that sounds good. I
pick her up. She looks exactlylike a lion. She has shaved her
butt, left her tail just apoof on the end. She looked exactly
like a lion, so much sothat as I'm walking her through my apartment

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complex, this Indian woman is like, is that a fox? Are you
walking a fox? Exactly? Shewas not a fan. She was really
mad at me for that haircut,super mad at me because she looked like
she weighed about sixty five pounds withthe fur, but she only weighed like
forty pounds. Poof at the endof the tail too. Oh wait it,
Oh yes, it was ridiculous.You can text us you are pet

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stories at five sixty six, nI know, and what the heck?
You can call us at three ohthree seven one three eighty five eighty five.
And it doesn't just have to bea cat or a dog. Although
most Coloradin's are cat or dog people, we are dog people in Colorado.
I've had everything except a bird.I had a bird when I was a
kid, fish, cat, dog, ham fish hate. I hate cleaning

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up after fish. I hate cleaningan aquarium. For somehow in my childhood
you can't play with them. Weended up well. I have a friend
who has parakeets and a cockatoo,and that cockatoo has personality. Plus,
I mean he is sassy. He'llsit there and talk back to you.
No, it'll be like you'll lookat him and I'll go, what do

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you look at that? And you'relike nothing, Did I just get called
out by a bird? And youdid? So some birds are fun,
but they're also a commitment. LikeI have a dog that is a giant
breed dog. So if we gettwelve years out of her lifespan wise,
that will be a gift. Mostof the time, you're looking eight to
ten years for a giant breed.Okay, so that's twelve years if you

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can. Some of these birds theylive like seventy five eighty years. That's
not just a commitment. That's somethingyou have to provide for after you die.
It's like you have to have awill to talk about who gets your
bird when you die. And somebirds, like African gray parrots, they
need a tremendous amount of stimulation.What is your pet? Five six six
n I oh, you can textus three oh three seven one three eighty

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five eighty five, you can callus either way. We'll do it when
we get back. We're talking abouta National Pet Day and you guys,
you touched my little heart on thetext line. I love these text messages.
But I'm gonna talk to Stacy andAurora real quick because she called Hi,
Stacy, Hello, Mandy, tellme about your pet. Best pet
ever? Number one? I loveyou. I love a rod. Thank

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you. He's doing that because ofme. I told him. I love
to dad, say let's find there'salways time for airhorn. And I mean
I've had them all ats, dogs, crawdads, guinea pigs, parrots,
horses, cat, you name it. But my absolute most favorite was my

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ferret named I go e g ohoh. That's a Now. Ferrets are
crazy. They're like they're like they'relike otters on crack. That is very
true. And this was oh,they go, well, I had three

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ferrets. How she got her name? We had a Carmen, we had
a Sandy. I didn't know whatto name mine, so I named mine
Goo. Where in the world isCarmen Sandy? That's funny, that's very
funny. What made this? Whatmade this animal so special? She she

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was just she was least trained.Oh wow, but it bass. I
took her everywhere with me. AndI'll never forget a car show, make
this quick. An elderly gentleman withthese model t and I'm walking her through
the grass and sitting side by sidewith his buddy, and he said,

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now, what kind of a dogis that? And he said, it's
not a dog, it's a that'shilarious. And so they asked if they
could hold her, and I said, sure. Well you know how a
ferret just curls up in Yeah,yeah, okay, well he had and
I broke it. You broke yourferret. That's hilarious. But she just

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everything I did. I took herto work with me, yeah, everywhere,
and I don't I don't. It'snot like you could tell her sit
stay. They don't do that.Yeah. Yeah, let's not get great.
It's like telling a toddler sits day. They don't do that either.
I appreciate. I appreciate the storyvery much. I wanted a ferret for
a long time until I live nextdoor to a guy with two ferrets,

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and then I was like, Nope, I don't want that animal in my
house because they are insane, absolutelyinsane, very very miss yes something oh
time. Yep. I appreciate thephone call and the kind words. You
have a great, great weekend.Hey, you do the same, you
too? All right, thanks man, that was awesome. Now I have
a bunch of people that have textedin. But when we get back,

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I have a guest. I havea second guest on this SPISA warrant thing,
because this is one of those thingsthat has empowered the DOJ to do
things that are well beyond the scopeof what I think the Department of Justice
should be allowed to do. That'swhat we're talking about it twice. We're
going to talk to a guy whohas written about privacy issues and all that
stuff. But then I'm going tocome back and read some of these odes

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to the pets that you guys havewritten, because they are fantastic, absolutely
fantastic, and it proves my point. Everybody has that magical pet at some
point in their lives, even ifyou have like Chuck's dog that he had
when we got married. Kk Henamed his dog keke ogi, which is
the Korean dish of dog, becausehe wanted to let her know that if

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she acted up, you know,something else could be done. But she
was the sweetest thing ever. ButJinky's a dog we have now. She's
just the best, the best.We'll be right back. We're gonna talk.
Feis warns there, we're gonna talkpet stories on National Pet Day.
It's gonna be that kind of show, So pay attention. I'm gonna go
ahead and take a minute and readsome of these incredibly adorable submissions on the

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text line for National Pet Day.Mandy, my magical pet was Butter's the
cat. He was found as akitten by my sister in a parking lot.
He was lovely to everyone. Heaccepted twice daily insulin for the last
five years of his life and neveronce did he bite or balk. He'd
let me test his blood sugar withoutany complaints. Butters was always happy,
which made getting up to give hima snack every two hours at night.

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Bearable. I miss him every day. You're a very good butter's owner.
Very good. This one, Mandyay Rod, had a white German shepherd.
She didn't like everyone, but protectedmy kids ferociously. My wife loves
her Shelty, and my calico catis the best. We trapped twenty two
mice the year before we got her. None after. She brings us snakes

(30:15):
among other presents. She doesn't hurtthem, though, just hunts for fun.
I'm slightly allergic, so of courseshe loves me. That they all
do. They all do. That'skind of the you know, the more
you don't want them, well youwant them never mind. All right,
let me bring my next guest onbecause this conversation about FISA. Warrence is
important and joining us now. Heis one of the Young Voices and works

(30:40):
as the senior Tech and Innovation policyanalyst at Americans for Prosperity, where he
writes about consumer data, privacy,cybersecurity, and technology. James Tronowski,
Welcome to the show. Thanks forhaving me. So I spoke earlier to
Congressman Thomas Massey about what happened yesterdayin Congress, but I kind of want

(31:02):
to do a deeper dive with youabout the FAISA situation as it is.
As a privacy expert, what areyour thoughts overall on this program. Yeah,
that's a great question. I thinkthat when we're talking about the Section
SONO two of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillin fact, it's important to understand that
it is a tool that is meantto go and help Unzee go and collect

(31:23):
information on non US persons. Andthe issue that ultimately has arisen over the
fifteen years since that was adopted wasthat it was collecting a lot of information
that the government was using on USpersons. That's a little problematic in our
view, and we think that,you know, at the end of the
day, while we can recognize thevalue that can come out of, you

(31:44):
know, having such a tool forsurveilling our adversaries that are out there in
the world, we can't just havea blank check to go and accomplish that
goal. We have to respect theConstitution and right now this program is allowing
for flagrant violations of American Sports Amendmentrights and we think that there needs to
be a lot of serious reforms tothis program that's going to be allowed to
continue. In its current existence rightnow, and that's why we kind of

(32:07):
see everything kind of breaks down onthe hill the way it didn't last yesterday
actually yesterday, My god, timehas this been going by so fast?
But it's really just been a fascinatingconversation because you have actually very strong conservatives
like Representative Massly, coupled with verystrong progressive like Representative Giapoul. It's really
kind of like blended across multiple youknow, people across the clinitical ideological spectrum.

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Right, So it's been a veryinteresting conversation to watch the folds.
I asked the congressman, like,here's my issue from the outside looking at
and I'm not going to pretend tobe a Section seven oh two expert.
I have a rudimentary knowledge at best. But the thing that gets me is
that there has been no significant punishmentfor anybody who's violated the PISIS standards.

(32:52):
There's been no nobody's gone to jailfor lying on a PHISA warrant. And
he said that there have been twohundred thousand instances of VISA being used to
spy improperly, two hundred thousand,so until there's some kind of teeth in
this rulemaking, and perhaps an externaloutside the Department of Justice organization that is

(33:14):
enforced with or charged with enforcing theserules, because I don't trust the Department
of Justice to police their own people. We've seen that already, We've already
been down that road unsuccessfully. Butthose things will never really happen because the
people in charge are the people thatwant to be able to have carte blanche
on this issue, don't you think, Oh no, absolutely, I think

(33:35):
that's completely fair, and it's certainlyis one of the points that we raised
when we were talking about why wewanted to go and see the program the
authorized with performs. Those kinds ofreforms that we were advocating for included requiring
the government to get a warrant ifit wants to go on search Americans communications.
We want to go and improve thea meekest process for when people are
going to devise a court to spyon Americans, because again, we think

(33:59):
that we need to You're not goingto know, as Senator Mike Lee kind
of astute ly noted, if thegovernment's spying on you, so you need
a better advocate on your behalf.And there are fives of lawyers that can
do this, but you know,it's very hard to go navigate that process,
and there are a lot of differentthings that are going on there.
But I think that you know,when you're in the political sausage making business,
as these members of Congress are,you know, it's about figuring out

(34:22):
what's the best deal that you canget that can get some key reforms that
you want across the finish line,and understanding you're not going to get everything
that you want. So I thinkthat you'd want to go and see an
outcome occur where you can get someof these key reforms done and recognize a
lot to come back to the tableand get some other kinds of reforms down
the line, because the alternative isthat they're just going to go and if

(34:44):
this were to lapse, you wouldlike to go and take these kinds of
surveillance authorities and just repurpose them underneaththe existing buy programs that happen underneath Executive
Order twelve Triple three. And therein lies the problem, right is that
we basically have created a culture ofsurveillance in the United States where if it's
not happening here, it can happenhere. And Congress at least has oversight
if it's happening underneath six and sevenh two. So I'd rather have the

(35:07):
oversight and accountability in Congress than goand you know, just trust us from
the Biden administration that you know they'regoing to go and you know, pinky
promise not to go and violate yourrights. I think that that's why we
care so deeply. I find itoutrageous that Congress is so untrusting of this
piece of legislation that they carved outthemselves. There's a carve out in this

(35:30):
legislation that basically says, if you'regoing to spire on a member of Congress,
you have to let them know.And just for Congress, I mean
that in and of itself says tome, this is a garbage plan and
needs to be reassessed because if theycan exempt themselves and buy God by Golly,
they better exempt me too, right. I think that that's a completely
fair point, and it was somethingthat I highlighted when covering it on Twitter

(35:51):
the other day, because I thinkit's a little ludicrous that you can have
a program exist where it's rules forme but not for thee right, Like,
why does Congress don't have special protectionsfor themselves that can't be afforded to
everyday Americans, especially when you're talkingabout at the scale that these kinds of
abuses happen. Right if it wasover two hundred thousand times that the FBI

(36:12):
why illegally searched Americans communications and ourview, you know, I think that
we need to go in and havesome better reforms in place, and that's
what you know, myself and othershave been working on for basically the last
fifteen months. You know, thiswas supposed to be taken care of by
the end of last year, butnaturally leadership and certainly the Biden administration pushed

(36:34):
for a short term reauthorization to getincluded in the National Defense Authorization Act.
So it really created a fantastic setof circumstances where, you know, it
wasn't taken care of them and we'restill fighting over it now and hopefully we
can get some of these key reformshere done as we're in this home stretch.
Well, if the Republicans who votedagainst the procedural vote yesterday do not

(36:55):
come on board, there's going tobe no chance to amend it. Yes
well, even right now underneath therules, there was only going to be
a limited number of amendments that wouldhave been considered anyway. This is a
part of a broader deal that theIntelligence Committee and the Judiciary committees had negotiated
a while back. So there's goingto be a set number of amendments that

(37:15):
are going to get considered for thisparticular rule should it go on pass,
whenever they bring it back up fora vote. Right, So, there's
plenty of opportunities, I think,between now and then to go and rectify
some of these issues, and we'rehopeful that we can, you know,
get the warrant requirement and also moreimportantly closing the data roper loophole, which
allows law enforcement to circumvent your FourthAmendment right right well, basically just applying

(37:37):
the data on you from someone else. And that's Thomas Massey was talking about
trying to get a warrant provision putin here so that if you were going
to gather up data, you hadto get a warrant on the American citizen,
even if you accidentally scoop them upbecause they talk to a foreign person
that you're looking into. And Ithink at a bare minimum, we need
to have a vote on that,even if it goes down, I want

(37:57):
to know who's voting against it.Yeah, and I think that that part
is something that Rep. Massi highlightedon Twitter. I believe on it yesterday
or early today. And it's reallyimportant. I mean, look, one
way or another, I think theAmerican people deserve and expect a vote to
know where their member of Congress standson if they're okay with the government being
able to spy on them. Youknow. That's certainly something that we've been

(38:19):
arguing for for the last fifteen months, is that at the end of the
day, they shouldn't get stand insome kind of must pass bill. They
shouldn't get put into a you know, an omnibus package filled the port.
This just needs to be a standalonevote where members of Congress can honestly go
and tell their constituents, you know, how they feel about their Fourth Amendment
rights, you know. And andagain, I think two things can be
true at the same time. Nationalsecurity is important and our civil liberties are

(38:43):
important, and they're not mutually exclusivegoals. We can and we should have,
you know, a program in placethat's mutually reinforcing. And there have
been numerous proposals from the Judiciary Committeemembers as well as Senator Mike Lee and
Ron Wyden and Senator Dick Servin.You know, they have gone and to
great lengths to go and have thesekinds of reforms in place. And it's

(39:04):
really unfortunate that the Intelligence Committee andthe Intelligence community and its allies are you
know, really digging their heels inhere, not trying to go and give
up an inch of ground in termsof, you know, having a significant,
meaningful reform to this story troubled program. It does not make me trust
them anymore. I'll tell you that. James Tronowski, I appreciate your time
today and your expertise on this,and I'm going to keep watching this because

(39:27):
this, just for me, isjust another another example of the fact that
our government is far too large andfar too powerful, and we don't have
enough people fighting to bring that in. That's my view, James, I
appreciate your time today, Thanks forhaving me. All right, thank you.
And somebody asked on the text line, this is an interesting question.
I think. Let me see herejust a play Devil's advocate. This texter

(39:52):
says, if you aren't doing anythingillegal, et cetera, The government won't
watch you or care what you're doing, so why does it matter? So
let me ask you, sir ormadam. If the government decided someone in
it that had access to this decidedto use a visa warrant to dig up
your Internet history that you've had foryears and years and maybe used to look

(40:15):
at unsavory websites, and then theyuse that somehow against you. It's none
of their damn business. Should beenough of a reason. And if you're
the kind of person who's like,you know what, we should just let
the government know everything, then you'reliving in the wrong country. Move to
Russia. They'll watch everything you do. And that's the thing, because right
now, let's just say, andI don't know anything about this texture,

(40:36):
the Devil's advocate texture. So let'sjust say this texture is a Democrat.
Okay, So right now Joe Biden'sin power, and he's like, you
know what, I don't care ifthe government looks at me. I'm just
going about my life. I'm notdoing anything exciting. I don't have anything.
I don't have any skeletons in mycloset. But then the opposition comes
into power, do you trust themas much it's not about whether or not

(40:57):
you have anything interesting or you've doneanything wrong. Although I have been told
by someone in law enforcement that ifthey have access to enough data, and
they have access to enough of yourlife, they could probably pin anything on
you if they wanted to. Andthings like that scare me because the Department
of Justice can ruin your life veryvery easily. The FBI can ruin your

(41:20):
life very very easily. I mean, you go back and you think about
the Atlanta Olympic bombings and what theydid to the man who tried to do
the right thing, a security guardwho tried to do the right thing and
help out. They destroyed his life. So these are people with immense power,
and I don't trust them to dothe right thing because we already know

(41:43):
that they've abused this system. SoI am not comfortable with someone who has
the power to destroy my life havingaccess to information that they could use to
put together in any sort of wayto present any picture of me that they
wanted to present. Because we knowin today's day and age, you don't
actually have to be convicted of anything, right, You just have to be
accused of something, and your lifeis destroyed and you're forever on the internet

(42:07):
as this person who did this.Cheryl Atkinson testified the other day that when
she was working for CBS, theFBI tried to break into her house.
They were going to plant child pornographyon her husband's computer. That was the
plan. Never happened, but shewas told that by someone in the intelligence

(42:28):
community that that was the plan.Any organization that has that kind of power
needs to be held in check morethan anybody else needs to be held in
check. They have a tremendous responsibilityand they have proven themselves to be not
worthy of that trust as of late. You know, my daughter has said,

(42:50):
you know, my daughter's fourteen,like what do you want to be
when you grow up? She's like, I want to be an FBI profiler.
That's what she wants to do.And I was like, well,
you know, the FBI is bitof black eye right now, but maybe
young people like you could go tothe FBI and make it better, because
the leadership of the FBI is highlypolitical, and we cannot have a law

(43:12):
enforcement organization that is highly political.That doesn't work in a society. I
don't want government. I don't wantgovernment to know anything about my business,
especially if I'm doing nothing wrong,that should be that should be Why if
you're doing nothing wrong, are youokay with government having that kind of information?

(43:35):
Why? Why are you okay withgovernment tracking you in any way,
shape or form if you are doingnothing wrong? I mean, that is
that is the most clear violation ofthe Constitution I can imagine. So it
was a good Devil's Advocate question,but not one that I would do.
This person said, I wouldn't mindthe government knowing everything I do if they

(43:57):
were pure and totally moral, andthere are no angels. You, guys,
these people in government are just people. They have their own biases,
they have their own corruptibility. AndI'm not talking about somebody bribing them.
I'm talking about them deciding that theydon't like you for some reason. Maybe
you live down the street from anFBI agent who's decided you drive too fast,

(44:17):
and that particular FBI agent has amoral flexibility that allows him or her
to come after you using the FBI'stools. I'd love to say it can't
happen, but of course it happens. Of course it happens. Don't forget
that the IRS can ruin your life, says this texture, especially with the
extra sixty billion Biden dollars they received. I believe the Republicans clawed some of

(44:39):
that money back. I believe.So if you're a Democrat and the Democrat
administration looks into you, no problemexcept skull and bones. I don't know
what skull and bones. Well,they're own scholl and bones. Ralph says
history Maria, confident of Stalin said, show me the man, I'll show

(45:00):
you the crime. They can doanything to anyone. Exactly right, exactly
right. Yes, Richard Jewle isthe name of the guy from the Atlanta
bombings. This person said, it'sa classic example. This person says,
so how does the supply to statestracking people getting abortions? In your mind,
should the state be able to haveprivate citizens watching each other, reporting

(45:21):
them for behavior that they deemon fit? Of course not. I think that
when it comes to any kind ofreporting on abortion, I would like to
know the total number of abortions peryear. But I don't think it's anybody's
business who goes into that clinic andwho doesn't. I really don't now if
you want to stand outside and prayfor people, and that is something that

(45:42):
a lot of people of faith willdo. I support you in that.
I would say be careful because theBiden administration is throwing the book at little
old ladies who sat outside an abortionclinic and blocked the door for like ten
minutes, and now they're looking atsix seven years in prison. So be
careful doing that. But I don'tthink sure there should be a list somewhere
that the government has of people whohad abortions. I don't think there should

(46:04):
be a list anywhere of people whoon firearms. I don't think there should
be a list of people who saynasty things on Facebook. I don't think
there should be a list. Listsare not good. You don't want to
be on a list, right becausegenerally speaking, if you're on a list,
things are not going to end wellfor you because they're making a list
for a reason. They're not justmaking a list to have a list.

(46:29):
Yeah. Anyway, So Texas saysthis person asking about the abortionville in Texas.
I think the abortionvill in Texas isawful. It's awful, and I
struggle with this aspect of abortion.There is another human being involved in abortion.
But I listen to a lot ofRepublicans tell me and others rightly so

(46:50):
that they should not have to bevaccinated because it was their personal choice and
their personal responsibility. And in Texasyou've got other people rating up people out.
It would have been as just asegregious if I had ratted someone out
for not being vaccinated. Like youknow, I wish people wouldn't have abortions.
I wish they wouldn't. I wishthey felt supported and loved and cared

(47:12):
for, and that they would havethese babies and these babies could grow up
supported and lived and cared for.But we don't live in that world.
We just don't. So the notionthat you're supposed to rat out other people
in any respect is terrible, absolutelyterrible. Mandy. It's bad the higher
ups are corrupt because I know someFBI agents that are very good people,
as do I. Otherwise, letme just say this, if I didn't

(47:35):
think that there were great people inthe FBI, when my daughter said I
want to be an FBI profil or, I would have said, no,
no, you're not doing that.But I know great people who work for
the FBI. I think it isthe Washington DC leadership that is corrupt to
the core, and I don't wantto say corrupt, because that makes it
sound like like they're taking you know, grift or something. That's not what
I'm talking about. They are politicallycorrupted, and we saw that play out

(48:00):
the entire Donald Trump investigation. Allright, So when we get back,
didn't mean to go on that wholetear there. Let's see here, I'm
just making sure that I got it. I want to do some pet stories
when I get back, because someof these are so good, you guys,
and they're I'm not taking anymore.It's National Pet Day, and National

(48:22):
Pet Day is the day we celebrateour beloved fuzzies, our fuzzy animals,
our scaly animals, whatever your petsare. We're gonna celebrate that, and
I'm gonna do that when we getback. But I've got to say,
coming up a little bit later inthe show, there are a couple of
things I want to talk about thatI want to make sure I say so
I don't forget it. As ifit couldn't get any worse. We're gonna

(48:44):
talk about this in the two o'clockhour. Mayor Mike Johnston has just made
an announcement that a Rod Mark thetape here, I'm predicting this is going
to bring even more Venezuelan immigrants toDenver, even more. Yeah, you

(49:05):
didn't think it was possible. Yethere we are. Why don't we're practically
sending out engraved invitations. I'll explainthat a little bit later, but when
we get back your adorable pet storieson National Pet Day. In National Pet
Day, which today is National PetDay, I asked you guys to just
send me a text message about youryour favorite pet. And everybody has a
favorite pet. I have two Jinxmy dog now, who is awesome,

(49:29):
Saint Bernard, big, slobbery,fuzzy, adorable, cuddly and also a
pain in the ass. And thenI have another dog, that Reno,
that was half chow, half shepherdand honest to God, the smartest dog.
I wish they'd had the talking dogbuttons when I had that dog,
because I guarantee you although one ofthem would have had to be f off
or she wouldn't have been happy,you know what I mean, she had

(49:50):
to have the ability. Those don'twork for us, and that's frustrating.
It's like being haunted by the buttons. Here we go, I'm a these
very very quickly. Uh oh,jeez, they keep updating, and let
me let me change the speed withwhich they're updating so I don't have to
Uh, let's do that. Allright, Here we go, and I'm
gonna go down here. I gottago way down because I got a whole

(50:13):
bunch of them ready to go.Mandy spoiled because I said I spoil my
dogs. Spoiled sounds so negative.I prefer to say, well, loved,
that's good. I like that spin. I had two Pekinese dogs.
They love big dogs and hated littledogs. Those are the kind of little
dogs I can get behind. Notmy dog, but a friend of the
family had a dog that could dolow level multiplication in barks. Two times

(50:34):
three equals six barks. That's prettydarn good. Turtle Swimmy is turning thirty
this summer, so we have Swimmythe Turtle thirty. This person was seven
when he got Swimmy. This personhad a wineeraner that lived to be seventeen.
Great dogs, Wimaranners, I havegreat personalities and they're pretty too.
You don't just say it because they'reyou know, an Alaskan malamute named Ivan.

(50:59):
He was my heart. Mandy.Mike was a cat who was with
me for twenty two and a halfyears, my longest and best relationship.
Move with me five times, satwith me as we drove across country to
Colorado. Dang it, it keepsupdating. Hang on one second. Papa
loved people, love dogs, neverhissed, never scratched, died in my

(51:21):
arms, reaching up touching my beard. Aw this person. I have two
beautiful cats. They're both fifteen yearsold and part of my family. I
love them. That Robin Brush sentthat I had a gecko that lived to
be fourteen and the other to beeighteen. We got them as babies and
they told us they may live twoto three years. Lol. How'd that
go? Stella? She is amazingand loves to be held. She's a

(51:45):
gray banded kingsnake. I've known coolsnakes and I've known jerk snakes, so
that could go either way. Itreally depends on how often you handle them
from the time they're very little.Stephen Firestone says, I have a shepherd
mix and a long hair applehead Chihuahua. Both girls. OMG had the same
ass chow mix and she was thesmartest dog. Also, she could pick

(52:05):
a specific stuff toy you asked herfrom a pile of toys. We would
also walk her off leash with justword commands. Miss her. We miss
her so much. Can I canwalk Jink's off leash even though she ignores
my commands because this dog has theworst fomo of any animal, and wherever
I am, she has to bethere. She's like what mom might do
something and I'll miss it. Ihave to be right there, Mandy,

(52:28):
I have two Great Pyrenees, acorgy Beagle, and four very bossy cats.
I'm also pet sitting this week forthe neighbors, seven cats summer special
needs, and an Amazonian green parrots. That's a lot of animals to be
responsible with, Mandy. My bestpet is my last pet. Lucy is
a one hundred pound German Shepherd.She's fighting cancer and not complaining about it.
Loving her every day I can.I'm sorry, Hi, Mandy.

(52:52):
I had a throwback Pomeranian. Shewas the most amazing dog ever. I
would play frisbee golf and she wouldfollow me through the park right on my
heel the whole time, but wouldask how she did it with no leash.
She's my Google icon, so she'simmortalized forever miss her big time.
Mandy. About fifteen years ago,I had a silcuta tortoise. He grew
about a pound a year. Afterhe got to be about five pounds,

(53:13):
he grew two pounds a year.Sold him in the park. Why'd you
sell him? This is why Idon't understand. Oh my gosh, you
guys, You guys are sending thesein so fast. I'm not yet remotely
going to be able to get allthese in. Mandy had a cat named
Oliver. We adopted him from ashelter. He was not very big in
a former stray, so he likedto roam outside. He always came home
to eat and sleep. He ruledthe neighborhood. I always said he would

(53:36):
walk down the street with a cigarettein his mouth and a Martini in his
pod, just begging for anyone tomess with him. I got a turtle
in middle school who never liked me. My parents took care of him when
I went to college, and Igot him back once I had my own
hat's house. A few months later, he ran away. Your turtle ran
away. I have a news slashlistener. Someone let your turtle out on

(53:59):
purpose. Okay, so here's afun story. When my brother was like
seven. He had a gerbil namedKiller, okay, a Killer the gerbil,
and I had a black cat namedDemon, and Demon, well,
let's just say Demon figured out away to get into Killer's cage and that
was the end of Killer. Butwe didn't want my little brother to be
upset, so we staged an escapefrom his We tilted the lid, we

(54:22):
kind of stacked up some things inthe corner, and we convinced my seven
year old brother that Killer had escapedbecause he left his window open and Killer
saw freedom and he got out andhe was living his best gerbal life outside.
My brother was like, oh,okay, fine, So fast forward.
I'm twenty one, my brother's nineteen. We're having a dumb argument about
something, and all of a suddenI turned around him. I go,

(54:44):
oh yeah, Demon eight Killer,and he was like, oh my god,
truly shocked, truly shocked. Havingsiblings is the best, absolutely the
best. All right, a fewmore. I had two cats named Morgan
Mindy. When I met my exwife, she made me get rid of
them. I should have kept thecats, Yeah, yeah, Mandy.

(55:05):
My puppy, val Valentia Valiente isthe sixth American Cocker Spaniel is representative of
the cocker loving and loyalty. Heis a therapy pup where we visit Penrose
Hospital on Thursday afternoon, especially thecancer patients. He also turned up at
the advanced level in agility. He'sbeen a great companion for the last three
years. We were teamed up.When I turned seventy. My favorite cat,

(55:30):
Samantha, would bring me squirrels alive. Well, that's exciting when they
drop them in your living room.My youngest son, Nick, had goldfish
named Cosmo and Wanda after the FairlyOdd Parents cartoon. But Wanda was a
bully and kept killing off Cosmo,so we had Cosmo one two three.
Anthony A. Rod had goldfish namedafter Colorado Avalanche players Patrick Waugh, Jenoe,

(55:53):
Sackett, Peter Forstburg and everybody wassad when Stanley Cup passed away.
For those that are a bit closerin my generation, we had the Fairly
Odd Parents as well. Yeah,yeahd in Cosmo and all that was your
mom too, Oh so she thatwas the text I read right before.
I didn't know that was you,Hi, Mandy. We had a Sophie
the corgy. She was my firstdog, which I got in my thirties.

(56:15):
She loved to snuggle. Hang on, this is updating again. She
loved to snuggle and be held likea baby. The plan was to get
our dog when our youngest son wassix years old, so she could grow
up with one of the boys,and then passed around the time we sent
our youngest off to college. Onpaper, this seemed like a good plan.
Sophie died suddenly when we were outof town dropping our youngest son off

(56:36):
at college. In the same weekend. We lost our son and our dog.
We made it six months before wegot Winston the Corgi. He's awesome.
How long do you wait between pets? That's my next question. I
gotta say, like after Jinks goes, because Q will be in college at
that point, and after Jinks goes, like I don't know if we'll have
another pet until I am done travelingthe world, because I don't know having

(57:04):
a I have to have like fiveyears in between pets from the time our
last dog. We put our lastdog down because she was having a lot
of health issues, and then gettingJinks. There was five years in that
timeframe, and I don't even wantto talk about it. I mean,
I could not even talk about itbefore that. I have to have time
to grieve my pets, I justdo. I want to read one more

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of these pet things and then I'mmoving on. But listen to this.
I just want to tell you thestory around this. When I was in
grade school, I had a hermitcrab. Our family went on vacation,
so my girlfriend watched it. Veryeasy to maintain. I returned home and
was out of the habit of givingit food and water, and it died
pretty sure. To this day shethinks she killed it, as I certainly
didn't fess up about my negligence.I'm a bad person, I know.

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I just want to tell a quickstory about hermit crabs. One of my
dearest friends, her father, herlate father was one of the best characters
I've ever met in my life,passed away. His name was Frank Whitty,
and in the seventies. Frank hada very successful career as a publisher
and an editor and was doing reallywell that he decided in the seventies that

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hermit crabs were going to be thenext pet rock, right, So he
quits his job and goes all inon hermit crabs. And if you knew
Frank Whitty, you would know thismade perfect sense for him, and he
like their whole backyard was full ofthese chicken wire cages full of hermit crabs,
and they had to go out thereand give him corn cobs every night.
And it was just a complete painfor my friend his daughter. And

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yet she still has hanging in herhouse a news story that one of the
newspapers down there that he was acquaintedwith because he had been a publisher and
an editor, they came out anddid a story on him and the headline
of that story is Frank Whitty's gotcrabs, he's itching to sell and she's
got it framed in her house.And I love that story so much.
Yeah, that was Frank Whitty man. He was an interesting dude, really

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really cool, cool man. Ijust mentioned this in my spot for American
Financing, But I want to talkabout this credit card delinquency rate thing a
little bit more because I had along conversation with a friend of mine who
owns a business, and I'm notgoing to tell you which business because it
was a private conversation, but hewas talking about in his industry, which

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is a home goods based industry.He was talking about how many people in
his industry are currently going belly upand they're going bankrupt, and people have
pulled back on their purchasing and peopleare not spending as much money. And
now we have a story about creditcard delinquencies going up. They were at

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three point five percent of everyone.Think about how many credit cards are out
there. I mean, I personallyhave I don't even know I have like
five or six. I don't carrythem all with me all the time,
but I have a bunch of creditcards that I don't have a balance on.
But I just have a bunch ofcredit cards. And think about how
many credit cards are out there.So three point five percent of that amount

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of credit cards is a lot.And these people are at least thirty days
past due at the end of December, So that is a serious increase in
the number of people who are delinquisseriously. Now, what's interesting is that
the number of people who are whoare paying off their balance every month has

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also gone up. So it's likesome people are getting more responsible with their
credit cards, where other people arestruggling to keep up. There are signs
in the economy that are not good. And for two years I sat here
and I think I talked about itoff and on. I don't even know
for two years that there seemed tobe a recession on the horizon, and

(01:00:52):
then I, like six months ago, I was like, hey, I
was wrong. I'm glad. I'mwrong. Nobody. I don't wish for
a recession. I'm not one ofthose people who's like acession would help Republicans
take power, so let's have noI'm not that person. People suffer in
a recession. People lose their jobsand their homes in a recession. That's
not what I'm hoping for. SoI was like, hey, I'm glad
I was wrong. I'm telling youguys, if you have debt, pay

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it off if you can, andkind of get get yourself right financially,
because I am concerned that there aresome significant wins on the horizon that are
not good. Whether it's the persistentinflation numbers, whether it's major major corporations
really struggling right now in different sectorsof the economy. The housing market still

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is not fully recovered, and afterthe inflation numbers that came out yesterday,
I don't expect the FED to dropintertraits anytime soon. There's just a lot
of things on the horizon to keepan eye on, and credit card defaults
or delinquencies is just one part ofthat pie. When we get back,
I want to talk about the newannouncement that Mike Johnston made. Actually,

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no, we're gonna do this huminute drill today because I got a bunch
of those stories, and then wewill talk about the announcement Mayor Mike Johnston
made that I think is just goingto bring more people to Denver from South
America and Central America. We'll doall that in the next hour. An
influx of illegal immigrants that have costmillions of dollars to the city. And
instead of doing things like saying,you know what, we're gonna we're gonna

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repeal those laws that make us asanctuary city and sanctuary state, Mayor Mike
Johnston came out with a new planyesterday that is guaranteed to bring more illegal
immigrants to Denver. Why well,the city has announced it's going to spend
an estimated ninety million dollars this yearon migrant services in its new asylum seeker

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program. Currently, there's one congregateshelter open for people who arrive in Denver.
The city is going to add asecret congregate site, but instead of
operating the shelters, the city ismoving towards operating on a new model that
wants to set these illegal immigrants upfor success. Yeah, a new six

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month program is going to do this. Listen to this. Listen to this.
They're going to be given job training, food assistance through a monthly debit
card based on family size, andrental assistance for six months. There's going
to be a program launching within afew days, and people currently staying in

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the city shelter will be offered theopportunity first. Denver's also launching work Ready
Denver, a workforce training program thatwill be led by the city's Economic Development
Department. It will offer asylum seekersthe opportunity to get job training and learn
important skills. This includes English learningclasses to financial literacy, and the program

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is also trying to connect those inthe program with industries they would like to
work for. When those six monthsare up, they can get their work
authors. They will have certification andtraining and can enter the industries in this
city that have openings that so deeplywant to fill and drive the economy.
Now further down in the story,there's a limited number of slots available for

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this program. But do you thinkthat part of this is going to get
filtered down to people still in Venezuelaand Central and South America who think that
this is still the land of goldpaved streets and honey, no, they're
gonna hear if you go to Denver, you get a free apartment, you
get free food, you get jobtraining, and they're going to get you
a job. That's how it's goingto filter back down to Central and South

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America. And this is the problemI have with this messaging. This is
the problem I have with this programbeing touted the way it's being touted,
by the way not in this storyfrom CBS, and they can't be faulted.
I talked to Rob Dawson about this. A lot of people miss the
fact that there's a little line inthe press release at the bottom that says,

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if you show up after April tenth, you're not go to be You're
not gonna be uh, this programis not gonna be available to you.
That that didn't make it into thenews stories. That should have been the
lead, that should have been thefirst thing that the mayor said, the
illegal immigrants who are already here asof today are going to get this program,

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but nobody else. But even thenthat's still not gonna trickle down because
these these folks talk to each other. You guys, they don't operate in
a vacuum. This is why,this is why they keep showing up,
because they're not. Ugh anyway,I'm sorry, I'm aggravated because everything that

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keeps happening is just going to makeit worse. And it's stunning to me
that the mayor and his entire teamseems to be so wedded to the concept
of appearing to be nice that they'rewilling to shove the needs of people who

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live and try to work and paytaxes in Colorado aside so they can give
free money and job training to peoplewho have done neither of those things up
to this point. I don't understandit. I don't understand putting the needs
of people in Colorado. You're tellingme there's nobody in Colorado right now that
could benefit from the kind of skillstraining that they're trying to and the connections

(01:06:26):
with jobs that would provide for growth. There's nobody in Colorado that could use
that help. Nobody else needs,you know, rental assistance. You talk
to people at food banks right now, and there's a lot of people who
have never used food banks before whoare showing up at food banks because they
can't afford groceries. You don't thinkany of those people would love some food

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assistance for six months. This iswhy this is infuriating, and please don't
present it as you know, weneed to help these people. They're coming
from far away and they don't havethese opportunities. That is a luxury belief,
and it's only being said by peopleat the top of the economic food
chain that people who are not strugglingto buy groceries, the people who are

(01:07:09):
not stuck in a dead end jobwith no marketable skills to find something better.
You are condemning everyone on the fringesto being second class citizens in their
own country. And that's not okaywith me. It's really not okay.
I just was talking about the mayor'sbig announcement about his new program that he
says is going to be sustainable,and I'm going to just let you know

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that it's going to filter down toCentral and South America as go to Denver
and get a free apartment and freefood and free job training. I just
want to point out one text fromthe text line. My sister in law
works as a new nurse at Lutheran. She said the illegal immigrant women that
she talks to here that they cancome here and have a baby and get
a free house. So I'm surethat the parsing will filter down that if

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you come after April tenth, you'renot going to get a free apartment.
But I'm sure it'll be fine.I'm sure it's going to be a Okay,
I've got to get this story intoday because I find it so interesting.
Have you ever been to the GhostTown Museum in Colorado Springs? Have
you ever done that? Uh?We have not personally gone. No.
Well, apparently you're not missing athing. No, because it is the

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forty second most boring tourist attraction inthe country. Ay, you would desa
agree and I haven't even gone.Well, why would you disagree? It
sounds cool, It sounds cool,but it's not. According to this new
survey, this organization went into Googleand they looked at Google reviews and found
they analyzed sixty six point seven millionGoogle reviews of three thy two hundred and

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ninety popular tourist attractions world why,spanning some three hundred and eighty four cities
across seventy one countries, focusing oneleven keywords indicative of tiresome, lifeless,
and doubtright boring impressions. Number onethe Branson Scenic high Railway and Branson,
Missouri, is the most boring attractionin the world that sounds boring. Museums

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comprise of the top one hundred mostboring A what's the demo here? Because
museums are cool? Man, Ilove the history like I love museums.
But my husband will tell you helike, Okay, let's just say I
see a museum that I want tospend three hours in this museum. So
I isn't interested Chuck Chuck could gothrough the same museum in forty five minutes.

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Why Because he's not He doesn't readeverything like I do. I read
everything in the museum. It toleratesit for me because he loves me.
I'm in the middle. I'm notan extensive reader. I read everything,
not everything. I read everything,yeah, read everything, but every really
fast. So it's not like youknow. That's why I don't like go

(01:09:56):
into art museums with people because Iwant to be able to stare at a
paint as long as I want tostare at a painting without having to wait
for somebody Like yeah, I meanI'm more blaming him. I'm not blaming
him. I'm just saying but like, for example, when it comes to
museums like the Holocaust Museum, Ohthat was ruh, that was powerful.
Museum has a flow to it though, yeah it does. It's flow.

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And we're talking about the Holocaust Museumin Washington, d C. If you've
never seen it, it is firstof all, it sucks the life out
of you for the rest of theday. So go to that and then
and then go like take a napbecause it is it is a gut punch
around every corner, but it's structuredin such a way that you get the
history of the Holocaust as you walkwalk through it. And it's just incredible.

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I mean just incredible. You knowwhat really took a hit on this
Four Lego Land Discovery Centers are inthe top twenty five most boring attractions worldwide.
Four what is it? Lego LandDiscovery Center? What is that?
It's not Lego Land or they havethe rides and everything how to I don't
know. It doesn't sound boring though. Georgia. Georgia is the most boring

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state with many attractions and extensive reviewsindicating boredom, and the US, Canada,
and Australia hold the one, twothree spots for countries with the most
boring tourist attractions. We come inat number forty two as our first spot
on the list with the with thewhat did I just say? Ghost Town

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Museum in Colorado Springs. I didn'tsee if we were on the list again
after that. Uh oh, jeezoh me al wolf oh in Denver.
Boring though, No, it's alot of things boring, isn't one of
them? One of them? Overpriced, a bit overcrowded, a bit over
hyped. It's got a little bittoo much going on. It's hard to

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maintain a flow and appreciate any ofthe great art because it's a lot of
individual, amazing art. But Ithink it's biggest problem is it's got too
much going on. It doesn't letyou allow it doesn't allow you to appreciate
it anyway. And again, thenumber one problem that it's really expensive,
Yeah, it's really expense, notnot that much. I can't wait Sports
coming up next. We'll be backtomorrow