05-21-24 FULL SHOW - A Documentary on Fake Race Crimes, Plus RFK Jr's Voice

Episode Transcript

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I'm Mandy Connell, your befunnled hostfor the next three hours. Just jeff
in for a rod and we havea ton of stuff on the blog and
the show. So let's jump rightinto the blog, shall we. You
can join me there by going tomandy'sblog dot com. That's mandy'sblog dot com.
That's going to take you to mykoa page where you look for the
headline that says five twenty one twentyfour blog a documentary on fake race crimes

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plus RFK Junior's voice. Click onthat. Here are the headlines you will
find within. I think you're inoffice half of American all with ships and
clipments, a team that's going topress plat today on the blog. What
happens when a race crime is fake? What's up with RFK Junior's voice?
Anyway? Colorado Ski Areas could beheld liable for negligence. Colorado Springs is

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the number three place to live inthe US. Why is Denver doing this
for illegal immigrants and not homeless people. We don't need to drop the charges
against the area protesters. Sweden hasa migrant problem. Bill Maher was on
Gutfeld because gosins are starving and supplytrucks are being looted. There is no
such thing as his pregnancy. Scarjois about to test the limits of AI

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and personation. The defense rests inthe Trump case. Never Biden is now
larger than never Trump. Republican womenlead the way in Colorado the rise of
the Dumb Phone. Indians are usingAI to reach voters in a whole new
way. Please don't bankrupt b dubs. The Fiddler's Green summer lineup is out.

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How to do Zone two Cardio,the the Apocalypse that wasn't Who hasn't
done this before? When medicine createsa miracle? Those are the headlines on
the blog at mandy'sblog dot com.And I have let me just give you
a little rundown of what the videosare on the blog because I have something
for everyone today. First of all, I don't know if you've ever seen
these videos of children getting their cochlearimplants turned on and they hear for the

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first time. And most of thetime this little children, right, this
is like babies and toddlers who havecochlear implants, and then when they switch
them on and they can hear theirmom's voice. Well, today it's a
fourteen year old girl, And today'sis I felt today's video because I am
the mother of a as today fifteenyear old child. Happy birthday to the

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queue fifteen years ago today she madea dramatic entrance that had us all on
edge. But she's here and walkingand talking and surviving, and we're pretty
happy about that. But this fourteenyear old girl trying to maintain her cool,
tough teenager exterior as she hears forthe first time in her life,

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and they just kill me. Theygot me every time. But I love
them. I love them because thisis one of those times when medicine has
created a miracle and I just lovethose videos. But anyway, that's on
the blog today. I have avideo that made me burst out laughing,
and it's so dumb. It's notas dumb as the Minnesota senator yesterday,

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but this one is so dumb.This guy is walking down the street and
as he approaches a police officer,he reaches up and buckles his seat belt
and it is so stupid and sofunny, and the cop just starts laughing
because who hasn't done that? Really? Remember the bepocalypse when all the honeybees
were dying, and we weren't goingto have any pollinators. We weren't going

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to be able to grow food becauseall the honeybees were dying. Well,
John Stossel breaks that down. Thebeepocalypse never happened. But don't expect the
media who prompted up to agree withthat. You know, I wish that
Ooh, if I had more time, this would be a really good way
to do a running total, Likejust create a website and you could call

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it about that time in themedia dotcom and about that time in the media
dot com. I fake website wouldsimply be a reminder of all of the
stories that were done breathlessly on newsmedia outlets that turned out to be completely
wrong, absolutely wrong. I meanyou could, you could, if you
have like a bunch of people contributing, you could probably keep up. But

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otherwise it would be damn near impossible. This is another one aunt. John
Stossel breaks it down now. Intoday's Health and Fitness video, Andrew Huberman
talks about zone two cardio. Just, Jeff, do you know what zone
two cardio is? I don't.I'll have to watch the video. Well,
here's what you need to know aboutZone two cardio. Zone two cardio
is the most important kind of exerciseeveryone must do, and you need a

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bunch of it all week long.But the good news is you don't have
to like kill yourself to get zonetwo. You go out on a really
brisk walk. You can't just likeyou can't stroll, you can't waligag,
you can't meander. You gotta goon a brisk walk. But that's it.
You brisk walk from your car intothe grocery store. You have gotten
a little zone two cardio. Andthe great thing about zone two cardio is

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that builds up your endurance really reallyreally quickly. Zone two cardio is where
it's at. Now. You're alsothe to do things like weight training and
other stuff, But if you don'tdo anything at all, start with concentrating
on your zone two cardio. AndAndrew Huberman's going to tell you how to
do it. So there you go. And he's so cute, so you
get to see that as well.He's on there now. I Jeff do

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me a favor. Watched the clipwith no It was on Fox. He
can't curse. I want to soBill Maher was on Gutfeld And if you're
not watching Gutfeld on Fox News.Even if you watch it like the next
day, like I do, Igo back and watch all the clips.
So Gotfeld the next day because I'mnot up that late. I'm not gonna
lie it's on like a like tenor some crazy hour like that. I'm

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last time I saw ten. Comeon, Come on, people, I'm
an early riser. I don't seeten o'clock on purpose very often anyway.
So Bill Maher crossed the lines,right, He crossed the lines, and
he went on Gutfeld and he wasreally really good. And we're gonna play
a little bit of that audio fromlast night. Now if you think that.

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Bill Maher went on Greg Guttfeld andwas like, you know what,
I think Trump's pretty cool. Thatis not what happened. He did not
hold his fire at Donald Trump,but he didn't hold his fire on anybody.
And it was a really interesting Gutfeld. I wish they would do it
more often. I just thought itwas really fascinating anyway, Not that Gutfelt
is good enough by himself. Heis. I'm just saying I just thought
it was a really really cool kindof crossover. Now I'm wondering if Greg

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is going to be on Bill Maher'sshow. I mean, it would seem
that would be tit for tat right. Hey man, you do my show,
I'll do your show. And Icertainly hope Fox News. I think
I've seen other Fox pundits on BillMaher's show, so I don't think that'd
be a problem anyway. Coming upon today's show, we have an interview
with Mary Rook at one o'clock.She is one of the writers of a

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new movie called Demand for Hate,and it is a documentary about fake hate
crimes. And just like I wastalking about, like, oh, I'd
like to have a website where allI do is make notes of all the
stuff that the media amplified that wastotally wrong. This movie and I haven't
seen it yet, to try andwatch it this weekend. This movie talks
about all of the alleged hate crimesthat turned out to be a lie.

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And you guys, cities were burneddown over some of these hate crimes,
supposed hate crimes, and you know, you know some of them. You
do know some of them. Sowe're gonna talk to Mary Rook about that.
It is a documentary by The DailyCaller. Now, if you were
listening on Friday, you heard alast minute surprise interview with Robert F.

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Kennedy Junior. And to be clear, the content of the interview was rather
interesting. He did not sound likethe crazy person that he had been portrayed
as he was great on the border, he was great on a few other
issues, and what he said wasgreat, But more comments came into the

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text line about how he's sounded thananything else because he has a condition called
cosmodic dysphonia, and I thought Iwould call my voice stoc or doctor David
Opperman to find out what it isand how it can be treated. Now,
to be clear, doctor Opperman hasnot treated RFK Junior, but he

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has dozens of patients with this samecondition that he is treating on a regular
basis. So we're going to talkto him at two thirty and in between
that, we've got so much stuffto talk about. But why don't want
to go back to Bill Maher onGreg Gutfall's show. Okay, let me
have my audio, Jeff, letme make sure I get it back to
the beginning. So they're talking aboutthe hard left, the woke left,

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and I want you to hear whatBill Maher had to say about that outlier
now, the United States. It'sso funny the way sometimes the woke stuff,
you know, And I always tryto make this point that liberalism is
not, you know, the samething as woke. Woke. They would
like to think they're an extension ofliberalism. I'm an old school liberal.
They're not. It's very often theopposite. And they think they're going so

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far in the right direction, andit actually turns out that they're in the
wrong direction, and they've actually reversedit. Because most of the countries in
Europe, now England, the Scandinaviancountries, the ones we used to always
be able to say, well,look what the liberal countries are doing,
they're all reversed themselves on this.They don't do the puberty blockers anymore.
They don't do this stuff because ofstudies like this, and America is just

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doubling down on this stuff. Sowe are the outlier country on this stuff.
And look, there's always a sensiblemiddle ground. That's what I'm always
trying to find. Now, isthere such a thing as trans Of course,
there are sometimes people who are let'sjust say, as a mix up
at the factory and you don't feelin your head the way you do in

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your body. But some of thisis also just a TikTok challenge that got
out of hands, and that ishim obviously talking about the cast review and
then study that we talked about yesterdaythat showed that people who have gender reforming
surgery are more likely to commit suicide, not less likely. But when Bill

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Maher talks about the difference between wokeand liberals, he is, in my
estimation, a true liberal who leansleft, because a true liberal is about
personal autonomy, right, it's aboutsmall government, it's about economic freedom,
it's about freedom of speech. Thatis a classical liberal ideal. And I

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think it's interesting that he makes thatdistinction between the woke left and the liberal
left. And what's funny is thethings that classically define a classical liberal are
now almost exclusively found on the right, which is kind of funny. But
the political parties have shifted and changespositions so many times it's not even funny.

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I mean, when you think aboutthe fact that the Party of the
Democrats was the party of the Dixiecrats, was the party of segregation and Jim
Crow, and now they have repositionedthemselves to the point where they want to
give special accommodations to make sure thatblack and brown people don't have to work
very hard to achieve at the samelevel as white people. And you know,

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it's just it's fascinating to me thatsomeone like Bill Maher can look at
the landscape escape and see it soclearly and articulate so clearly what's going on
now. I don't know. Ithink that Bill Maher has been abandoned by
the left. I don't know.I think that he is living in the
land of the centrist, which isgood because there's more centrist than than you

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know, hard left or hard right. I mean, that's where most people
are. But I'm glad he's doingit. I'm glad he's talking about it.
I mean, I'm not comparing myselfto Bill Maher. But when I
go after factions on the right thatI think are bad for Colorado or bad
for the country, it's because Icare about this country more than I care

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about the tribalism that I'm supposed todisplay when they decide who's Republican or not.
That's just tribalism by people that Idon't respect. So that those people
I'm gonna call them out as oftenas possible without ever saying their name on
the radio again, because I certainlydon't want to give any oxygen to people

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who I wish would never mind anyway. Mandy, don't forget the bell Maar.
That Bellmar was on Gutfel's show totry and sell his book. I
don't know who Bellmar is? TheBellmar? What is that? Oh?
Gutfeld is on eight now? Whendoes that happen? Wow? I just
watched. I'll be perfectly frank.I watch it in the morning on YouTube.

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That's what I do. I turnit on and let it roll while
I'm starting to kind of gather mystuff. Milton Friedman says this Texter pointed
out that the left stole the goodname Liberal. Yeah they did, They
really did. Mandy Guttfeld was onMars podcast several months ago and it was
really good. I will look thatup Club Random. Thank you for pointing
that out, can you? Yes, you're right, Yes, Mandy,

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Greg Guttfeld and Kat temp both didthe Bill Maher Club Random podcast this year,
and all of you have corrected methat it is on at eight now
eight o'clock. Okay again, ifI'm honest, there's a chance at eight
o'clock I'm already sort of falling asleepin my chair. Jeff, are you
at the stage in life where you'refalling asleep in a chair? Are you
there yet? I'm at that stageat eight where I'm just now putting my

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son down and he's asleep at thatpoint, right, So I'm just now
catching a moment of silence. Yeah, then I'm kind of falling asleep within
a few minutes. Half Have youseen that meme that says how to fall
asleep in a chair? Number one, be old number two, sit in
a chair. That's where I amin life right now. I'm in the
sit in a chair, fall asleepstage of life. And I used to

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get so mad at my dad becausemy dad would fall asleep in the middle
of a sentence with you. Hewould be talking and he would just like
he would be like, yeah,we should do the and You're like,
Dad, well how do you dothat? And now I have follow in
death's footsteps. There you go.Yep, yep, yep. Anyway,

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to the person who asked this question, did you know those implants are controversial
to the deaf community. Talking aboutcochlear implants. I did know this,
and I this is one of thoseconversations where I feel like I should just
back the blank up and not saya word. Because I am neither deaf.
I have not had to deal withdeafness. I have not had to

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experience whatever positives come out of deafness. And I don't want to wait into
that argument or discussion because I kindof understand that feel deaf people may feel
like that this says something's wrong withyou and you need to be fixed.
I get that, uh so,But if you're deaf and you want to
hear, who should stand in theway of that? Let let live?

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You know, live and let live. If someone will to remain without hearing,
more power to you. If someonewants to try and restore their hearing,
we should support that as well.Live and let live. There you
go. Zone two equals walk witha purpose. Very good, Very good
at Mandy, same with kids seecolor for the first time on that video.

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Yes, Oh, Mandy, Iwanted to let you know I've started
to zipper merge when driving because ofyou. Yesterday, I came to a
spot in the road where we wentdown to one lane because I was driving
in the Metro and that happens everythirty feet. And guess what, my
friends, both lanes were utilized,and it was right left, right left,
right, left, right left.It was beautiful. I almost cried.

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I was so excited. I wasso excited. No to the person
who said, I'm just resting myeyes, No, I'm not going to
use that excuse. I'm going tobe exactly honest and say, yeah,
I'm asleep because I'm old and I'min a chair. What are you gonna
do about it? Mandy, You'refalling asleep in your chair because it's a
recliner. That's why I told myhusband he's never getting one. Here's the

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kicker. I don't even have tobe reclined in my recliner to fall asleep.
And I am hashtag recliner for life. I always want to have my
feet up always. I don't understandwhy we don't always have our feet up.
I am just much more comfortable,much more comfortable. Don't worry,

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Mandy, they can't hear you.Now. That was sassy. That was
a sassy thing to say. ButI'm still not weighing in on that.
When we get back, we aregoing to have a conversation very quickly about
this is so this is the opposite. I've got two stories on AI,
one about how Scarlett Johansson's voice wasripped off by chat GBT, but the

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second one, you know, we'reworried about people using AI to interfere in
our elections. Indian politicians, meaningpoliticians in India, not native Americans,
actual Indian politicians are using AI ina way that I think is brilliant.
And if I were going to runa campaign in the United States, I

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would one hundred percent do this.I'll share it with you next. We've
talked a lot about how artificial intelligencecould possibly be used to create a fake
version of a politician doing something,saying something, and then of course it
would fly around the Internet like it, you know, instantaneously, and we

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would not know, and it wouldjust it's going to be. It's going
to happen. It is going tohappen. So be ready. Now,
if you heard the end of Ross'sshow, I made mention of this little
phenomena that we get to deal withas we're running up to the primary.
There are organizations who appear out ofnowhere and they send out attack ads and

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things like that against politicians, andthey tell you who they you're supposed to
support, and when you go totheir website, they're like, we're a
group of concerned citizens, but nota single name is on the website,
not a single real person is standingbehind their work. Those are garbage.
You have no idea who's funding thoseads, and I would just recommend that
you strongly if you want to knowmore about the candidate, then find out

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more about the candidate that ignore thesethese organizations who do not have to make
a filing until after the primary.They go they are created after the last
filing deadline and then they're you know, do their dirty work and before the
election. We've seen this happen withteachers' unions. I'm not going to go
on a whole tangent on that rightnow. What I am going to talk
about is how Indian politicians are usingAI to their advantage. I want to

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share some of this Wired article withyou. On a stifling April afternoon in
Osmer, in the Indian state ofRajathan, a local politician, Shakdi Singh
Rothor, sat down in front ofa green skiate screen to shoot a short
video. He looked nervous. Itwas his first time being cloned. Wearing
a white shirt and a Sarah Commennialsaffron scarf bearing a lotus flower, the

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logo of the BJP, the country'sruling party. Rethorp pressed his palms together
and greeted his audience in Hindi,and he began to all my brothers.
Before he could continue, the directorof the choot walked into the frame.
Mister Jadun, the thirty one yearold with a bald head and a thick
black beard, told him he wasmoving around too much on camera. Jadou
was trying to capture enough audio andvideo data to build an AI deep fake

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of Rathor that would convince three hundredthousand potential voters around Ashmer that they had
a personalized conversation with him, butexcess movement would break the algorithm. So
let me explain what they're doing here. I find this absolutely amazing. So
they're going to film this guy infront of a green screen saying a certain
script that gives them the right soundsand right vowels and all of that stuff,

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and then they're going to take thevideo of him and the audio that
they've created, and they're going touse AI to create a avatar that looks
exactly like him and sounds exactly likehim. And I'm guessing they're going to
be able to send personalized messages likeI'm just gonna use Jeff as an example.
So, Jeff, I'm running forCounty Commission and whatever county you live

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in, and all of a sudden, you're going to get a text message
from me that says, hey,Jeff, I've got a message for you.
Will you visit me on my website? And you click the link and
then you open it up and thereI am on video, but it's not
really me, it's AI. AndI say, hey, Jeff, I'm
Mandy Connell. I'm running for countyCommission. What issues are important to you?
What would you like to know about? And Jeff says, well,

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it's really important to me that wedon't have too much growth and development.
And my AI would have been fedmy policy positions, so my AI could
respond with, well, Jeff,you know we're working to control development,
but you understand we're gonna have somegrowth. But what I'd like to do
is use a smart growth strategy thatresults in healthier neighborhoods where people have more

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walkable streets while recognizing that we livein a wonderful community that people want to
move to. And then Jeff says, we'll find but how do you feel
about abortion? And my avatar respondsbecause it already knows the best. And
now Jeff has had a conversation wherehis concerns are actually addressed by my avatar.

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You guys, this is amazing.Think about how persuasive that would be
and anything that the Jeff said,well, I'd like to know how you're
gonna protect the yellow titmoules from beingmade extinct. My avatar would say,
tell me more about that, Jeff, because I'm not familiar with that issue
and I'd really like to know.And then as Jeff is talking, my

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avatar is recording that data so thenI can come back with a policy position
for my avatar to have on thatissue. This is flipping amazing, I
mean really really amazing. And here'sthe kicker. Do you know how much
this costs? Now? This isIndia, but let me just read these
prices to you. You know thatif I run for office, I will

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be flying my happy ass to Indiato do this. Jadune has delivered five
Ai campaigns so far, for whichhis company has been paid a total of
fifty five thousand dollars fifteen hundred bucksto make a digital avatar, seven hundred
and twenty bucks for a audio clone. Now, the technology to make it

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respond, that's a little bit different, but just cloning yourself and having that
avatar is amazing. I have afriend who is in an industry where she
does a lot of high level trainingfor very important people. Right, So
she's not doing like you know we'retalking about. She's training physicians and things
of that nature. So instead ofhaving to race around the country and do

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this over and over again, shehad an avatar made of her to do
the training, and her avatar cantake questions and things of that nature.
I just I thought this was incrediblyinteresting. I mean, this is the
upside of AI now in this specificstory. In India, the district that

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this guy is supposed to cover isabout the same size as Italy. India
is a huge country. Huge Sofrom a perspective of and I'm going to
use the fourth Congressional District as anexample, the fourth Congressional District covers so
much of eastern Colorado. It isa huge district to drive. This would
be an absolutely remarkable feature to haveif you were running for office, and

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I don't know why people wouldn't doit. Now. The downside of AI
this story is super interesting, soeverybody knows. Scarlett Johansson. Scarlett Johansson
starred in a movie with Joaquin Phoenixcalled Her And It was about a man
who fell in love with his phone'soperating system, essentially the SERI in his

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phone, except I can't remember whatthe SII was called in the movie.
Was it called what was it called? Look that up for me, Jeff
or hit me on the tech linefive six six, I know. So.
Scarlett Johanson played the voice in themovie Her and Sam Altman is one

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of the developers of chat GPT,and Sam Altman apparently was a huge fan
of the movie Her And this isa statement by Scarlett Johansson. She said
last September, I received an offerfrom Sam Altman who wanted me to hire
me to voice the current chat GPTfour point zero system. He told me

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that he felt that by my voicingthe system, I could bridge the gap
between tech companies and creatives and helpconsumers to feel comfortable with the seismic shift
concerning humans and AI. He saidhe felt my voice would be comforting to
people. After much consideration and forpersonal reasons, I declined the offer.
Nine months later, my friends,family, and the general public all noted

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how much the newest system named Skysounded like me. When I heard the
release demo, I was shocked,angered, and in disbelief that mister Altman
would pursue a voice that sounded soeerily similar to mine that my closest friends
and news outlets could not tell thedifference. Mister Altman even insinuated that the

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similarity was intentional, tweeting a singleword her a reference to a film in
which I voiced a chat system Samantha, who forms an intimate relationship with a
human. Two days before the chatGPT four point zero demo was released,
mister Altman contacted my agent asking meto reconsider, but before we could connect,

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this system was out there. Asa result of their actions, I
was forced to hire legal counsel,who wrote two letters to mister Altman in
open AI, setting out what theyhad done and asking them to detail the
exact process by which they created theSky voice concept. Open AI reluctantly agreed
to take down the Sky Voice ina time when we're all grappling with deep

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fakes and the protection of our ownlikeness, our own work, our own
identities. I believe these are questionsthat deserve absolute clarity. I look forward
to resolution in the form of transparencyand the passage of appropriate legislation to help
ensure that individual rights are protected.What this is is the first shot over
the bow in asking for clarification whenit comes to do you own your voice?

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Do you own your likeness? Areyou able to trademark, patent or
otherwise copyright your voice and your likeness? You should be able to where we
are now, that is a necessarything in anyone in the public eye.
Anyone should probably take the steps todo so. The idiot protesters who destroyed

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Tivoli Quad at the Araria campus andnow they have taken to appearing at the
Denver City Council meeting to demand thatthe charges be dropped against forty pro Hamas
protesters arrested for erecting an encampment onthe Araria campus. Now activists confronted the

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council during the latter's public comments sessionand also demanded that the city decide against
pursuing charges. Now, the protestersabandoned the encampment, you know, the
weather turned it was like not funanymore, and destroyed all the grass,
left graffiti, drug paraphernalia, humanfeces laying around. So in my mind,

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they're not really in a good positionto make any demands about anything.
The part about this that I findthe dumbest is that two Denvers City Council
members have asked that the charges bedropped. Now, to council President Jamie
torresm Councilwoman Sarah Parody, you bothshould be embarrassed because as everyone has the

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right to protest, you don't havethe right to break the law, which
is what these protesters did. Andwhen you break the law, you've gone
from protesting into breaking the law andyou have to deal with the repercussions of
that choice. Now, what's interestingabout this is back in the days of
the Civil rights movement, it wasconsidered a badge of honor to be arrested

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while you were protesting. Right,that was a thing to be proud of
because you had taken a stand onsomething that was really important and really,
you know, something that had tobe done in order to move this country
closer to our ideals. These peopleare like, oh my god, I've
got an arrest record. Now whatam I gonna do. I'm not gonna

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be a little work in banking orline for Easton or whatever. I'm just
now I'm so limited because I tooka stand where I wore a mask and
didn't want anybody to know who Iwas. But now they're gonna know who
I am because I got arrested.Oh, as my friend Lindsay says,

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I can't say that on the radio. It's such a great saying too.
I'm gonna clean it up as bestI can. My friend Lindsay says,
if you're looking for sympathy, you'llfind it between the S word for poop
and syphilis in the dictionary. Thatwas like her standard line to her kids,
and I loved it. Loved it. Not when her kids were little,
mind you, her kids were teenagersand they could give as good as

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they got. But there's no chance. And now, of course we'll see
if the city Attorney Carrie Tipper,decides to go ahead and acquiesce. I
certainly hope that Carrie Tipper does not, and that Carrie Tipper says, nope,
we're gonna adjudicate this. You're gonnago through the legal system. You're
gonna have to deal with the repercussions. Because let's be real, it's not

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like they're gonna be thrown in theslammer, you know, and the key
tossed away. It's gonna be likecommunity service. It's gonna be you know,
a fine whatever, pay the price, do the crime, do the
time. That's the way it's towork. And these young people have been
encouraged to think that they should neverhave to pay any consequences for their actions.

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It started with their helicopter parents.It continues with Joe Biden, you
know, telling them they don't haveto pay back their student loans. Why
would they think they would have topay the consequences. Well, I think
this is a great time for themto learn, an excellent time. One
of my friends from my twenties gotarrested for drinking with a fake ID when
she was nineteen years old. Shewas at the University of Miami and got

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arrested and had to go through thatwhole process. She had to pay a
fine, she had to do communityservice, she had to do all these
things. But then she decided shewanted to go to law school, and
she was worried that this would negativelyaffect her chances of getting into law school,
So she wrote an essay for herlaw school admission about what it was
like to go through that entire processand why it made her want to be

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an attorney and she got in.Turns out she hated being a lawyer,
did it for a few years.Stop But whatever, that's neither here nor
there. They have to press thesecharges. They must. It's bad enough
that the Araria leadership was so absolutelypathetic in the face of this kind of
nonsense. It's bad enough. Makethem pay the price they should be made.

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I think that the fines should equalthe cost of replacing Tivoli Quad for
each of them. It won't,They'll be five hundred bucks whatever, But
I think they should have to helprestoatively Quad to what it was before.
That should be part of their punishment. That would be amazing. Or the
judge could sentence them to be someone'sbutler. Sorry that was a Seinfeld joke.

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Well, not sorry at all.I'm just sorry if you didn't watch
Seinfeld because you missed out on alot whole bunch. When we get back,
we're going to talk to a writerfrom The Daily Caller. Her name's
Mary Rook about their new documentary outcalled Demand for Hate, about fake hate
crimes. We'll talk about that next. I might have to come back to

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that story because I have to loginto the New York Times and I don't
remember my passwords, So just aminute on that. But I can tell
you this. Gazans we know arestarving right now, and that's terrible,
right, but they're in a warthat they started, or they're you know,
leadership started. And I'm having adifficult time ginning up as much sympathy

(32:25):
as I should for starving children.It should be very easy to gin up
sympathy for starving children. And I'mnot saying I don't have any. I'm
just saying, why do I feelthis way? Well, I've been following
along. There's an organization called thePalestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research,
and they are constantly serving actual Palestiniansliving in the West Bank and in Gaza,

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So I don't know how they're doingthis. In methodology, seventy five
locations were selected from those in RafaDii Abala, Miwassei Khan Unice and the
displaced persons who were forced by theIsraeli army to relocate into these areas.
In the shelters, a regular randomsample was selected in the counting areas.
The number of selected locations blah blahblah. So they're literally serving people living

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in refugee camps outside of Rafa andin other areas. So these are the
people that have been displaced by thefighting. Now, you would think,
wouldn't you, that they would maybehave some regret about the actions of October
seventh. I'm just I'm throwing thatout there, Like if my life was
absolutely ruined because the US government starteda war with a much bigger power,

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I would perhaps lose my enthusiasm forthe government that created this mess. For
me, that's just me, butobviously not the Palestinian people. When asked
the question, in your view,was Hamasta's decision to launch an offensive against
Israel on October seventh a correct oneor ane? Now? Back in December

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of twenty three, fifty seven percentof Palestinians in Gaza said it was a
correct decision. Now at this point, they've been moved around, they've had
to leave their homes, they're livingintents. It's a disaster. People are
starving. And they asked the questionagain in March of twenty twenty four and
the number went up to seventy onepercent that said it was correct what Hamas

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did on October seventh. So they'recontinuing to support support Hamas's offensive. Now
there has been a quote significant declinein Hamas's popularity in both the West Bank
and the Gaza Strip. You haveto understand Hamas does not run the West
Bank. That is the Palestinian Authority. It's a completely different government, completely

(34:47):
different system. Now, how isthat possible? They have asked different questions
about humanitarian conditions, and this isis actually why I went to the survey
today and they talked to gosins abouthow many people. Only forty four percent
of gossens say they have enough foodfor a day or two, and fifty

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five percent say they do not.These are almost identical to the same findings
we obtained three months ago. Now, they did not conduct any interviews in
the northern parts of the Gaza Stripthat were under attack during that time.
When they need food or water,only nineteen percent of gosins say they can
reach a place where they can haveaccess to assistants. Another seventy seven percent

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say they can, but with greatdifficulty or risk. Four percent say I
cannot get it. So where arethey getting the aid from? A vast
majority is coming from the UN ReliefWorks Agency, the corrupt agency whose members
actually participated in the attacks of Octoberseventh government, which I guess is AMAS
fifteen percent, other international organizations andlocal Palestinian groups. Now, when they

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ask the question do you think aidif do you think is the process of
aid distribution to displace people currently inshelters fair or discriminatory on political grounds?
Overwhelmingly they say it is discriminatory onpolitical grounds. The highest that says it's

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fair is forty percent, and that'swith other international organizations. That's forty to
fifty eight percent who say it isgiven out politically. Now, the other
numbers that I find fascinating are amongpeople who have either watched the videos or
not watched the videos. The questionis asked, the belief that AMA Spider's

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committed atrocities on October seventh is higheramong those who watched videos showing such atrocities.
And you know what that number is? The people who've actually seen the
videos of the attacks of October seventh. Do you know how many of them
think that atrocities were committed after they'veseen the video? Seventeen percent say noah,

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it's good. If they haven't seenthe videos, a whopping three percent
says Hamas committed atrocities. Ninety sevenpercent said no, I'm good, it's
fine, it's a okay. Theystill support Hmas. They still believe October
seventh was a good thing. Theydon't believe Hamas committed atrocities. This is

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why it's it's it's getting harder andharder now. They didn't ask children.
But this is another reason why ifthe Biden administration starts to bring Gaza refugees
to the United States, it isgoing to end very, very badly,
because the people in Gaza have beenbrainwashed by Hamas so completely, so utterly

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completely, that there is no hopethey will come here and assimilate with the
Great Satan. We're part of theproblem. I have a story on the
blog today about Sweden. Sweden usedto be one of the safest, most
idyllic places in Europe and in Scandinavia, and now experts say that Sweden is

(38:06):
quote on the brink of civil war. Why because they allowed a huge wave
of unfettered immigration, mostly from theMiddle East and Northern Africa, made up
mostly of young men who don't haveany marketable skills, do not speak Swedish,
cannot assimilate because there have been somany of them. It's easy to

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assimilate people when you get let's sayyou have a population like we have three
hundred and twenty million. You geta million new people in the United States.
You can spread those people out andthey very quickly become assimilated to American
culture. Think about the children ofimmigrants, like firstborn Americans, how quickly
they become American. They are nolonger Indian or Chinese, or Italian or

(38:55):
Irish, they are American. Theyassimilate very quickly. But when you overrun
a country with so many immigrants thatthey there's enough of numbers to create enclaves
where they don't have to learn thelanguage, where they can continue to do
the same things they did in theirhome country. They never have to be
a part of the community. Andthe Scandinavian nations have a very specific cultural

(39:21):
lifestyle right and it has to dowith this sense of civic responsibility, a
sense of equality that is baked intothe soul of Scandinavian countries. That's why
they can have a system that providesso many benefits and services while also having
really high taxes, because that's partof the Scandinavian culture. These people are

(39:45):
not adopting the culture, and they'reengaging in crime at a rate that is
unsustainable. In twenty seventeen, therewere two hundred and eighty one shootings in
Sweden. By twenty twenty two,that number had grown to three hundred and
ninety one, sixty two of whichwere fatal. The Swedish rate of death

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by shooting was more than twice thatof the UK, despite Sweden having a
population less than sixth the size.The twenty twenty two gun murder rate in
Stockholm was around thirty times that ofLondon, despite having a population of less
than a million. In twenty seventeen, fifty eight percent of those suspected of

(40:28):
crime on reasonable grounds had migrated toSweden. However, for murder, attempted
murder and manslaughter, those figures swelledto seventy three percent. The corresponding data
for robbery was seventy percent and theytried to go out of their way to
say, Look, most immigrants arelaw abiding citizens, but criminality is overrepresented

(40:52):
in the immigrant community. Both ofthose things can be true. By the
way, It's kind of like here, we have millions and millions and millions
of illegal immigrants in this country rightnow. A vast majority of them are
law abiding citizens who just want abetter life for their family. They want
more economic opportunity for their kids,they want them to have a chance at
a bright and beautiful future. Butit doesn't mean that there is not a

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subset of that illegal immigration population thatis hell bent on doing terrible things,
whether it's murdering a jogger or rapinga child or whatever. Both of those
things can be true at the sametime. And in Sweden it's all coming
to a head. There are placesin Sweden that have been declared no go
zones by the police, where theyare essentially run by gangs from the Middle

(41:38):
East, and they're not getting anybetter. So I'm going to get this
New York Times article because I wantto share some of this information, some
of this data for you. Outof what's happening with the three hundred million
dollar bridge. We just built toGaza. Wait till you hear what's happening
when the trucks roll over that bridge. Dave Logan, Big l and Ryan

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Edwards, we are here to entertainyou to day at three on KOA.
Don't you hate it when you makea password that's so simple that you forget
it because it's so easy that anybodycould crack it if they wanted. But
I don't care. So you guys, remember we the United States of America,
in an effort to virtue signal thatwe care about the Palestinian people more

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than the Israelis, we announced thatwe were going to build a giant floating
bridge into Gaza. Do you rememberthis, Well, the bridge is complete
for the low low price of threehundred million dollars, and they started rolling
trucks across the bridge. I'm justgoing to share with you from the New
York Times article, one of thefirst aid shipments to arrive in the Gaza

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Strip through a US built pier waslooted official set on Monday, highlighting the
ongoing challenge of securely delivering humanitarian assistanceinto a territory with serious food shortages and
other needs. The failed delivery onSaturday came two days after the floating peer
was connected to the Mediterranean shore incentral Gaza. The US State Department did

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not respond to requests for comment.Crowds of Palestinians intercepted a convoy of trucks
that had loaded goods from the peer, hastily grabbing and running off with its
contents. Two senior Western officials anda Gozen photojournalist confirmed the account. The
officials requested anonymity because they weren't authorizedto speak publicly on the matter. AID

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groups and the United Nations blame thehunger crisis in Gaza on Israel's restrictions on
AID entering the enclave, and alsoon black marketers who have seized supplies to
sell at inflated prices. Israeli officialshave insisted that enough supplies have been entering
the territory and have accused Hamas ofstealing and hoarding AID. Now, I

(43:52):
want to tell you guys a littlestory. When my husband Chuck was deployed
to Somolia on a piece keeping missionby the Clinton administration before he was ambushed
in Somalia and almost killed, hehad the unenviable task of what's the word
that I'm looking for of going withtrucks that were loaded with food. Now

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you have to remember Somalia was inthe middle of a famine, so the
people in Somalia were starving. Andhe said, as they would try to
drive the trucks to the places wherethey were delivering these big boxes of food
and everything else, Somalis who werestarving would jump on the truck because they
were starving. But the reality wasonce they delivered these food items to where

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they were going, the warlords wouldsteal them and they would not give the
food to the Somali people. SoI have a lot of compassion for these
Palestinian people if they are indeed citizens, jumping on these trucks and taking things
because they are starving and their familiesand children are starving. But the reality
is Hamas is stealing these goods.And what knew what The New York Times

(45:01):
leaves out when they say the UnitedNations blames the hunger crisis in Gaza on
Israel's restrictions on aid. Do youknow why they have shut down yet another
border crossing because Hamas keeps firing rocketsfrom the border crossing and at the border
crossing, I mean there's a reasonfor this stuff. So I feel terrible

(45:25):
for the little children who are sufferingin Gaza. But if Hamas released the
hostages, this would stop today.If Hamas would share the aid that is
coming into the Gaza strip, thiswould stop today. But instead of calling
on Hamas to do the right thing, return the hostages, give people food

(45:45):
and water. We are looking atisrael As if they are the problem,
because they have the unmitigated gall tobe Jewish and to defend themselves. Come
on, people, come on,we can do better than this. I
had an article this morning. Idid not put it on the blog I
should have, and it's about thefact that young people are overwhelmingly getting their

(46:08):
news from the social media, fromTikTok, from Facebook, and that is
a big reason that young people aresupporting Amas. Because if you're getting your
news from TikTok, who is TikTokaligned with? TikTok is aligned with Russia,
TikTok is aligned with Iran, soyou bet you better believe they're getting
a steady diet of pro Hamas proPalestinian crap in their TikTok feed. We're

(46:32):
allowing China to shape the views ofyoung Americans, and we need somebody to
be telling the other side. Inthe New York Times is only telling part
of the story, and that,my friends, is unfortunate. When we
get back, it is a greattime to be an a legal immigrant in
Denver. I will explain next ColoradoSprings number three place to live in the

(46:54):
country, and I'm just gonna sayColorado is very well represented in the top
twenty. Now, if you scrolldown, you've got Denver and Boulder Boulder
coming in at number ten. FortCollins on the list as well, But
a vast majority of these cities arein the Southeast, which leads me to
ask the following question. Was humiditynot taken into account in this survey?

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Because I got to tell you Naples, Florida being number one. Let me
tell you about Naples, Florida.Either you have more money than God to
live there, or you live inthe swampy side of Naples, which is
always humid in full of mosquitoes.I'm not sure about this list, even
though I've been to a lot ofthese cities, But congratulations to Colorado Springs
for making the list in the firstplace. Now, uh Trump has now

(47:40):
well not Trump, I should sayhis defense has rested their case without Donald
Trump taking the stand, which Idon't think should surprise anyone because there was
nothing to be gained by having himon the stand under oath and forcing him
to admit that he banged a pornstart right after his wife had a baby.

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No upside here for Donald Trump.And from what I can tell,
this prosecution hasn't gone that well.Will it Lee do a conviction, I
don't know. Will it Lee dohung jury, I don't know. The
closing statement should happen next week,so the jury will have it before you
know it, and the first ofthe ridiculous Trump trials is finally going to

(48:21):
be over. The two drill ittoo, all right, my friends.
Now you got to know something aboutnever Biden. Never Biden is now surpassed
never Trump in the number of peoplewho say never again. In the most
recent poll asking whether you are neverTrump or never Biden. They don't ask

(48:42):
it that way, but that's essentiallywhat they're looking for. Across six swing
states Arizona, Georgia, Michigan,Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, forty
six percent of registered voters said therewas no chance they'd vote for Donald Trump,
but fifty two percent said they wouldnever vote for Biden. So either

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Robert F. Kennedy is going todo really well in those states or Joe
Biden has more to worry about ashe tries to win reelection at a time
when he is especially unpopular too.Now's a there's an arising field of cell
phones, and it's actually going backin time. More people are asking for

(49:29):
dumb phones. Yeah, phones theydon't have any social media on them,
so phones that just do things likemake phone calls, send text messages,
and in some cases take some photographs. The iPhone turns seventeen this year,
and it seems that the youngest generationmay be a big part of the push
for dumb phones. If you lookat the edges generationally, you have older

(49:52):
people who are tired of smartphones thatare too complicated for them to use,
and you have younger people who don'twant access to social media because they recognize
that it has become a giant,addictive times suck for them. That doesn't
make their mental health better. Itmakes them depressed and anxious, and they
don't want to have access to iton their phones. Now here's the question,

(50:12):
are phonemakers going to respond. Youknow, smartphones can cost as much
as sixteen hundred dollars. What ifyou just want a phone to make phone
calls and texts, a flip phone, if you will, shouldn't you be
able to get that for like onehundred bucks. We'll see if the phonemakers
respond or if another type of phonemakersprings up to fill this growing niche.

(50:32):
But I found this super super fascinating. That is actually younger people that are
driving a lot of this desire fordumb phones. It too. Now Buffalo
Wild Wings is putting themselves out there, especially in light of what has happened
to Red Lobster. Now I happento love Buffalo Wild Wings, big fan.

(50:53):
But Buffalo Wild Wings has now introducedand all you can eat deal on
its chicken nuggets and fries for justnineteen ninety nine. Now they call them
boneless wings. But can we alljust agree boneless wings are just adult chicken
nuggets. Okay, they just wantyou to feel better about eating chicken nuggets,
so they're gonna call them boneless wings, even though you cannot have a

(51:15):
wing with no bones. That completelyflies in the face of all that we
know about biology, so none.Nonetheless, Now, unlike Red Lobster,
who's all you can eat shrimp dealis now put them into bankruptcy, b
debs is limiting this to dine incustomers every Wednesday and Monday for a limited
time, and the deal is onlyavailable to one person for per order.

(51:38):
No sharing, no sharing on yourchicken nuggets. Now, what's funny is
that on their social media post liketalking about these all you can eat wings,
they actually put in the caption pleasedon't bankrupt us with little little prayer
hands. So b debs has asense of humor. But if you are,
you got a hanker it for unlimitedchicken nuggets. The deal Monday and

(52:00):
Wednesday at beatubs too. And finally, if you are like me, you
love to go to a concert,but you don't like to be up too
late. Fiddler's Green is where it'sat and there's a bunch of let me
just say, era appropriate bands thatare coming to Fiddler's Green this year.
I am excited. They've also madesome improvements. They've revamped the breastrooms,

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they've got newly installed seats, updatedconcessions with more points of sale, more
parking, lots have been added forparking close to the venue, Thank god
for that. And bike valet hasbeen added with concierge service available at the
Marjorie Park entrance. Now you cansee bands like I'm trying to think of
who you guys would know here?Ooh, I love the nineties tour with

(52:43):
Vanilla Ice, Zach Good of smashMouth to Low Color Me Bad and Tag
Team. Yes, please sign meup Fiddler's Green. I love to see
a show at Fiddler's Groom. Andthat, my friends, is the two
minute trail now, uh couver,you were notably quiet when I talked about
Boneless Wings being sicken nuggets. Whereare you on this debate? Because yesterday

(53:04):
we debated tacos and burritos being sandwiches. I feel like I can put you
on the hot seat on this oneas well. All right, every time
we used to do a remote duringthe football season, every Thursday at Buffalo
Wild Wings, and every time Igot the Boneless Wings yep, mostly because
I didn't want to get all thesauce all over me eating the other ones.

(53:25):
They're chicken nuggets, but I'm goingto go with the Boneless Wings.
Yeah, chicken nuggets. No,not chicken nuggets. What are they made
of? Coover chicken pieces? Whatchicken pieces from where the chick I know
I'm not chicken breast. I'm notin the Buffalo Wild Wings kitchen. Yeah,
they're made of chicken breast pieces,which are also known as chicken nuggets.

(53:45):
Just letting you know what you're eatingis chicken nuggets, even if you,
as an adult, want to believeit is boneless wings. All I
gotta say is they taste good,and that's all matters. They are tasty,
but they are chicken nuggets. We'llbe right back me nine years of
KOA joining me now is our correctnewsman Rob Dawson, who has spent the

(54:10):
day listening to Denver tout its newillegal immigrant plan. Rob, is it
over yet? Are they done nowtalking about how awten they are? There
was a there was a time limitof an hour for this because the council
has other stuff to do. Butyes, there was a presentation. They're

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starting to do these what they're callingNewcomer working group sessions because there's been so
many questions about migrant flash newcomers,whatever term you want to use, that
they wanted to break them out awayfrom other committees so they can basically have
it to talk about this subject alone. Two things that sit at Mandy from

(54:52):
this one. There still seems tobe some tension with the city Council and
and a combination of the Mayor's officeand career city people that are doing this
presentation. In the slides, andI showed this to you as well without
there were slides listening everything about theNewcomer Program, especially a lot about the

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Denver asylum seeker program that has started, but the City Council wasn't mentioned in
any of the slides, and that'swhat Council perch and a man the stand
of all just kind of unloaded onthem, saying, hey, what about
us. You know, we're theones that approved the contract. We've been
here longer than you guys have.We feel like we're not partners, even

(55:36):
though we've had conversations privately. Whatyou're showing the public is we're not partners
and this needs to stop. Andthe presenters, Sarah Plusino, the director
of the Newcomer Program, I believewas appointed by the mayor earlier this year,
she had to apologize, and anotherperson on the presenting apologize, saying
We're sorry, we know you needto be involved. Not that they are

(56:00):
disagreeing with what they're doing, it'sthat they're mad they're not getting any credit
bing go exactly. Yeah, there'sa little bit of that. Number one,
and then number two. Here's theother thing. The Mayor's office and
the career city people working on thisfrom VHF, they want to steer the
conversation towards the Denver Asylum Seeker Program, which is eight hundred people eight hundred

(56:23):
people who are in the shelter onApril tenth that we're selected for this program.
Basically, they're going to get sixmonths rental assistance. Wait, let
me just read the list. Hangon, let me read the list of
everything that these illegal immigrants are gettingfrom the City of Denver. Job training,
employment certifications and job placement, Englishas a second language, GED,

(56:45):
financial and digital literacy and other classes, asylum and work permit clinics, rental
and utilities assistants, food and personalitem assistance, RTD, passes a cell
phone with USM, and credit,computer and case management. So they're pretty
much getting everything right. So theMayor's Office wants to talk about that,

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and the City Council though, isbringing up complaints from their constituents about some
of the people that you see onthe street that are clearly not a part
of this program. And that's wherethis big question mark is that where I
was talking to an immigrant advocate,immigrant housing advocate saying the city doesn't even

(57:30):
know how many people before, Likethere were people that exited the shelter syste
before April tenth, and some ofthem went into housing for a month or
two and then they fell behind itrent, they couldn't work, they've been
evicted, and now they're back outon the street. So here story to
be clear, this entire asylum seekersprogram that has all of these benefits,

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it is only going to be givento these eight hundred people. So if
you show up today Denver, whathappens to you? Like what you're not
You're not getting it. Now.You were talking to me about a stop
in illegal immigration? Right, howis this right illegal? I think it's
going to attract more illegal immigration.Well that it sounds like the city will

(58:17):
tell you that they're sending two peopledown to El Paso, Texas to communicate
the changes in the policy, whichis only seventy two hours. It's not
six weeks of seventy two hours.It's less generous. That's what they said.
Has made people reconsider coming here.That's what they will tell you.

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And we're not sure about the numbers. There's advocates that challenge the numbers about
the arrival, but that's what theysay. But the change of policy has
made it less attractive to come toDenver, and this asylum program kind of
seems like, oh, yeah,there's not going to be no one come.
We'll be able to We're basically frozenin time with people coming. And

(59:00):
I don't think that's true necessarily.Rob Dawson, I appreciate you going and
doing that so I don't have toOkay, we'll talk to you soon,
man. I appreciate your time.Yeah, you got to see this.
I mean, these eight hundred peopleare getting everything for free, for free.
And if we can do this forillegal immigrants, why can't we do

(59:22):
this for homeless people. That's atrick question. I'll tell you why.
Actually I can't. Because when weget back, doctor David Opperman my voice,
Doctor Ross's voice, doctor, heis going to join us to talk
about Robert F. Kennedy Junior.He's never treated him, but He's treated
a lot of people who have thesame condition. What's up with his voice?
We'll find out next. If youheard my interview with Robert F.

(59:50):
Kennedy Junior on Friday, you mighthave been one of the people hitting my
text line saying please give this guydoctor Opperman's phone number because he has a
condition. Not doctor Opperman. RobertF. Kennedy Junior has a condition,
a hereditary condition. His mother hadit as well, called spasmodic dysphonia.
And I will say, though Ifound his content very interesting, his voice

(01:00:13):
quality is very hard to listen to. So I thought I would go straight
to the man who has all theanswers, doctor David Opperman, and bring
him on the show. He ismy voice doctor, He's Ross's voice doctor,
He's Dave Logan's voice doctor. Heshould be RFK Junior's voice doctor.
But they didn't ask me for hisphone number. So doctor Roman, first
of all, good to see you, my friend. It's good to see

(01:00:35):
you as well. I'm happy tohelp out here. So you are the
man who handles all sorts of voiceissues, and I mean you really cover
everything that could possibly happen to thevocal courts. I think that's fair to
say. Have you covered pretty muchevery kind of case? Yeah. I
specialize in laryngology, so it's treatmentof disorders of the voice box. And

(01:00:57):
I was lucky enough to do fellowshipsin UCLA with Jerry Burke, who pioneered
one of the treatments for spasmodic dysphoniathat's currently used. We use botox on
a daily basis to treat this.In my practice, we have about one
hundred and fifty patients with this thatare local and or fly in to be
treated. Wow, So what isthis? What is spasmodic dysphonia? What

(01:01:22):
is the situation? So the bestway to understand spasmodic dysphonia is the scientific
explanation. We believe it has somethingto do with the basal ganglia not functioning
properly in the brain and leading toan abrupt either stop of talking or phonation

(01:01:42):
as we call it, or apulling a part of the vocal cords to
create a breathy sound. There's twoclassic types. We call them AD doctor
add doctor spasmodic dysphonian app ab doctorspasmodic dysphonia AD doctor sounds strangled and strained
and abrupt very tight breaks in thevoice. Abductor you get spontaneous breathy breaks.

(01:02:08):
So it says if your chord stoppedtouching and they actually produce this almost
air burst during speech. The mostcommon type is adductor, which is what
RFK Junior probably has a note Ihave not taken care of him, so
this is off of what we hearand what he has prior said to other

(01:02:32):
interviewers. The issue with spasmodic dysphoniais it can be hereditary. It's not
always hereditary. It's more common inwomen than men. It can be progressive,
or it can be stable from whenit on sets. Typically on sets

(01:02:52):
forty year old plus. And wesee a common pattern in patients a lot.
They tend to be successful people,Type A individuals, and stress definitely
seems to be a common onset triggerfor this. It's interesting, yeah,
I mean, so if you've liveda low stress life, if you were

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a type A personality who decided tobecome a Buddhist monk and you know,
sit around and meditate all day,then perhaps you wouldn't have a kick in
is it? I mean, doesit have to do with endorphins? Do
you have any idea what that connectionis. We actually don't know. And
this is one of the hot areasof research. And you can really thank

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a celebrity for interest in neurodegenerate diseases, Michael J. Fox and his unfortunate
diagnosis at early twenties or mid twenties, I believe with Parkinson's disease has led
to I believe it's just over sixbillion dollars worth of contributions now to the
research and treatment of that disease.Well, what's happened is all of these

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neurologic disorders that affect people are gaininginformation from this, and we're getting more
and more ideas on how to treatthese conditions. And it's you know,
you're throw enough money at it,I think we'll eventually get it. We've
done MRI studies around the country tryingto locate is there a specific area in

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the brain, and they have notbeen as clear as to a cause as
we had hoped. But we dohave ways to treat people, the gold
standard of which is botox. It'sthe same drug that everybody knows commonly used
to reduce wrinkles on the forehead andaround the eyes. And the ironic thing

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is botox was not designed to dothat. Botox was developed to treat a
very small muscle in the eye ina condition that causes double vision in children
primarily, and with the side effectof it, you go from, let's
make an injection for the eye too. I can take care of those elevens

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between your eyebrows, no problem.How do you get How did somebody go,
let's put this into our faces andsee what the answer is? Well,
what you end up seeing is whenthey were treating this, one of
the side effects is it relaxes muscles. That's what botox does, and it

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happens to have the side effective Ifyou get it in the muscles in the
skin around the eyes that control thecontractor of the skin, all of a
sudden the wrinkles go away. Well, once that was known, the cosmetic
world erupted with we have a wayto treat wrinkles in people. And that's
why it's a multi billion dollar drugfor the companies who have made it and

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the competitors that are now out forbrand name Botox. So how effective is
botox treatment for people with spasmodic dysphonia. It's incredibly effective. It is a
treatment, it is not a cure, so it has to be repeated approximately
every three months. It's injected intothe muscles that are primarily causing the symptoms.

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So for adductor add we injected intothe actual muscle that wraps around the
vocal ligament called the thyrorittenoid muscle.For abductor the breathy break type, we
inject the PCA or post our cricoritenoidmuscle in the larynx and what we're trying

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to do is blunt the speed ofthe contractions to smooth out the voice,
and it's very effective. Most peopleget a week or two of some mild
breathiness following the injection for adductor spasmaicdysphoni, and then their voice will near
normalize for a couple of months.Then as the botox power wears off,

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the spasm's return and we get setto repeat the injections. So I mean,
I know you have not readd rfkgor once again, we'll repeat that
as part of this. But hehas had some kind of treatment, because
he's talked about having some kind oftreatment, So what else would there be
that he could have undergone that?Obviously, is not working. I mean

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to put it subtly. Yeah,So I'm not sure why RFK Junior has
not used botox. There's some indicationhe is reluctant to use the botox just
due to the fact that it's atoxin and there's some concern on his side
of what it affects the body onfrom what I've read in articles, apparently

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he went to Japan at one pointand had a procedure done. We don't
know the exact procedure, but thereare a number of surgical procedures that have
been tried for this. Doctor Isshikiand Japan pioneered procedure actually four types that
do something called a thyroplasty. Whatyou're doing is altering the actual framework of

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the voice box or larynx to putthe vocal folds or chords as we refer
to him as vocal folds into properposition and help stop the brakes. And
what I understand is he underwent thetype in Japan that slightly pulls the vocal
folds apart to help stop these spasticcontractions that are shutting down his voice.

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The typical results are kind of whatyou hear. It's blunting of the spasms,
but a choppy, sort of abnormalsounding voice. There are other procedures
Doctor Jerry Burke pioneered after a modificationof a laryngeal nerve section procedure, and
it's called a slayed sladh R orselective adductor deinnervation reinnervation procedure, where we

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actually go into the voice box andremove a specifi branch of the nerve that
controls the muscles that bring the vocalquarts together and are spasming, and we
hooked those up to another nerve inthe neck which allows the spasms to stop.
That is the procedure that Scott Adamsof Calvin and Hobbes had and Gilbert

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about that on Scott Adams is yeah, Scott Albert, Scott Adams is Dilbert,
Bill Waterson is Calvin Hobbs. Yeah, Hey, don't mess up my
two favorites comic strips right there,Doc, Okay, I know that I
don't know about voice. Well,I know a little bit, so it
seems that and we do know thathe has been very vocal about his belief

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that he was poisoned by mercury,that he had some mercury poisoning and that
he is uh. And he saidon the interview on Friday that as far
as vaccines go, he's like,look, if you want to do it,
he just wants to make sure thatwe're studying all the negative ramifications and
making that information available. So I'mhe is not a vaccine fan, so
you right about that. So itwould stand to reason that he would probably

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also have concerns about the botox.But dang, doc. I mean,
he's out on the campaign trail andhe sounds and I got to tell you,
like talking to him, my voicehurt for him, right, It
was like, I have so muchsympathy for that. But is it a
painful condition or is it just itdoesn't come out the way he wants it

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to kind of condition? It canbe both. One of the most disheartening
parts of this disorder is for thenormal public, it leads to social isolation
because they're so self conscious of theirvoice and rightfully so, that they start
to isolate away from friends and familyand groups. And it's very unhealthy.

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Obviously, we want people to interactwith people and enjoy life. And if
your voice is so bad that you'reinsecure to go out it's incredibly damaging to
one's in the case of a presidentialcandidate, where it's so critical he get
his message across to potential voters.He could be the best person in the

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world, and people will judge himby how he sounds exactly exactly right.
I was like, are people goingto go do I want to listen to
this for four years? I hateto be, you know, like petty
and small, but a lot ofvoters are petty and small, so it's
like, you have to sort ofget this stuff taken care of. But
it sounds like he's done what he'sgoing to do and he's just going to
let the chips fall where they may. I actually saw an article where he

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made a comment that his voice soundedterrible and he felt bad for everyone listening
to and it's not surprising he's developedsome humor to deal with us. But
the sad thing is, I,you know, botox has been misunderstood in
this condition. We deal with thata lot when people come in and they're

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starting therapy that they're concerned you're puttingbatchulism in there vocal courts, which is
not what we do. It's apurified, very scientific toxin. Derivative where
it's very dose specific on what kindof effect we get. It's not consistent
in a linear curve where one unitversus two units is you know, half

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the effect of two units. It'sbut it is consistent within the person and
you can fine tune it to geta very good result. The problem is
that people hear things that it's botulismtalksin and they assume that it's dangerous.

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Done properly, Botex is extremely safe. It's used in wrinkles worldwide daily thousands
and thousands of times, and it'sbeen tested in so many people. We
know what it does and in thevoice it can be effective to give somebody
a near normal voice for a periodof time. So we try and educate

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people what it is, talk withthem on it, and at least try
it because it is a less destructiveway of dealing with the disorder than doing
a surgical procedure for it that mayor may not work and does have other
side effects. Yeah, but itall wants surgery on their vocal cords.
Trust me on that. That sucksanyway, Doctor David Opperman, this has

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been very informative and I wish thatyou know I wish RFK Junior all the
best, but it's unfortunate that he'snot willing to give this a try,
just to see how it would workon the campaign trail, because I do
think his voice in a campaign isa very big liability. We live in
a video and audio culture, andit is challenging to listen to him for

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a long period of time, andit's difficult sometimes to understand what he's saying,
and that's death for a politician.So I appreciate you making time for
us today to kind of go overthis. I just thought it was super
interesting. So many people commented onit, and they talked about why I
love what he's saying, but boy, listening to him is so hard while

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he says it, you know.So it's tough politics, and I think
he's making it probably worse on himself. But if it's a principled stand,
who am I to criticize? Youknow? Who am I to criticize?
He thinks he's taken a principled stand, doc, you know, well,
it says something about his character.He's willing to go out there and do
this even with this condition where itputs him at a disadvantage. Hopefully,

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he will look into some treatment optionsas time goes on a little bit more
to help it be more clear.But everyone has to make their own decision
on treatment, and there are lotsof options, and that's the key here.
But I hope he considers something becausehis message is strong, and as

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a third party candidate, he reallyneeds to be able to get his point
across clearly to the voters if hehas a chance of making a dent in
this two party system. Exactly.That is doctor David Opperman for the Colorado
Voice Clinic. If you're having anykind of voice issues, I give doctor
Opperman two thumbs up. Ross giveshim two thumbs up. Dave Logan gives

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him two thumbs up. Everybody thatgoes to him give him two thumbs up.
So if you need any help atall, he's the guy to go
to. Doc. It's good tosee you, man. I'll talk to
you again soon. It's good tosee you as well. Look forward to
it, all right. Somebody justhit the text line and said, how
long has botox been around while wesee loads of cancer in twenty years?
Botox has been used since the nineteenseventies as a medical treatment, so fifty

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years we have been using botox,not always for wrinkles. It started out
as an ophthalmological situation. Ophthalmological saythat's five times fast. I could say
it once. Grant Smith has joinedme in the studio. Even though Grant,
how old are you? Thirty three? Grant went skiing yesterday, and
how do you feel today? Grant? I am in hitting. I took

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a pretty hard tumble down the sideof the mountain yesterday and I can move
my neck about maybe a couple ofinches in each direction back at all.
Yeah, I'm getting old, feelingold, That's what I said. I
was like, remember when you werein your twenties and you would have bounced
right up. Those days are nowmissed up. But then the next day,
now I'm really feeling Yeah,