06-04-24 FULL SHOW - Jam Packed Last Show Before Vacation!

Episode Transcript

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Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. Today'sshow is jam packed with guests. Right
before I go on vacation, DavidHeights lives at a property run by the
Colorado Coalition for the Homeless. Hetalks about what it's really like, and
then we talk up to our futuristThomas Frye about the future of laws.
You don't want to miss the interviewwith o Free Reiner. She is a

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survivor from the Supernova Music Festival masterMassacre. And then we end on a
liner note, how about a littlemagic for you. Yeah, there's a
magic theater in Castle Rock, don'tmiss any of it. We are waiting
right now, and by we Imean me Mandy Connell, joined of course
by my right hand man. Icall him a Rod, but you can
call him Anthony right reading. Andyes, by the way, I do

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flip those as often as I wantso to the texter who said, you
know you always say the opposite.You're onto me, mister, you're onto
me? Ha ha, yes haha. He caught me, and he
did so in good fun, soI feel good giving good fun back.
Now we are waiting for President JoeBiden to come to the lettern where he
is going to tell us that hehas decided to take action on the southern

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border, which, hey, youknow what, I welcome it, but
you could have done this two anda half years ago. So we're gonna
find out more about his immigration plan. But my prediction, and I just
said this to a Rod, myprediction is this is the first time and
in nationally televised address we're gonna hearabout felon Donald Trump. So I mean,

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you can throw it on the textline right now. You can decide
is he going to call Donald Trumpa fell in somehow in this press conference?
I say yes. I say yes. In the meantime, while we're
waiting for him to come, youknow, he's finishing up his pudding cup.
So we're going to do the blog. You can find the blog by
going to mandy'sblog dot com No Apostrophes. Look for the latest post segment.

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Then look for the headline that sayssix four to twenty four blog Jampack Blast
Show before Vacation. Click on thatand here are the headlines you will find
within. I think it was inoffice up American Arms to press Plach today
on the Blood. Today's show isgoing to be all over the place.
David Heights has struggled with homelessness.What should the future of laws look like?

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Aufrey Reiner is a survivor of theOctober seventh attacks. Our last guests
are Magic. Biden takes a stabat border enforcement. Mayor Mike is going
to end veteran homelessness. No freerides on RTD this summer. Your ballot
is on the way. Don't bea goofy American when you travel overseas.
The nine best Colorado adventures for DadExcel smart meter customers get ready to pony

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up. The Trump campaign says they'veraised two hundred million since the verdict.
The man who built a castle inColorado when cart returning creates a kerfuffle.
Valdemar Archiletta has declined the Colorado GOP'sendorsement. Dave Williams tries to use Trump
dumbass tourists guard by gord By Bison, The House Hearings with Doctor Fauci was

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a Democrat. Softball game Scrolling Americaneed less stress and more sleep. Robot
does what I've never been able todo. Colin Cowhard doesn't love Trump Castration.
Maybe the punishment for people who molestkids too much a brieves. Those
are the headlines on the blog atmandy'sblog dot com. And not a lot

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of videos now today today and thelittle Inside Baseball on the air. It
would let me invent some just randomlychose which ones I could put on the
blog today. There's no rhyme orreason to the whole situation. Very frustrating.
I'm gonna have to send a surlyword at email. Our blog has
a lot of issues, I knowsometimes but it looks great. They keep

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fixing it. They keep fixing itwhen nothing's broken. Now that goes.
So we're waiting for Biden to taketo the Dais and tell us what he's
going to do about the border.Now. This is all because immigration is
one of the top issues in thecampaign and he has done a lousy job.

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And the messaging that this is Republican'sfault because Republicans did not pass the
garbage bill that was negotiated by aRepublican not up for reelection for four more
years and Democrats, and that failed. But they have not been able to
outmessage the fact that there was anotherRepublican bill, HR two that was passed
a year ago by Republicans in theHouse that the Senate simply has never taken

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up. And the polling data clearlyshows the American people want And here's the
thing. Sounds like a contradiction,but it's really not. They want a
secure border. They want immigration reformthat will allow people want to come to
the United States and work here andbe able to travel back and forth to
their homeland. They want that andthey want it taken care of. And

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I said this yesterday with Deborrah Flora. My wish for immigration would to be
that we could send really smart people, people from the Immigration Department, people
who have significant legal experience to writethe laws, people who understand that the
intricacies of the internet to make thisprocess where we could put it all online

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so we could apply from around theworld, what kind of resources would be
needed, how this would all work, and then at that point we would
have immigration reform, and then wecould make a kick in provision of this
law that says as soon as thesouthern border has a continuous physical barrier that
is maintained and monitored by the BorderPatrol, these provisions kick in. So

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nothing kicks in in this beautiful newimmigration reform plan until the border is secure,
and that way you kind of danglethat in front of legislators saying,
look, we've solved this problem.But what's remarkable to me and super frustrating
to me is that we live ina society where everything in DC is about

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politics instead of what's best for theAmerican people, and it doesn't matter who's
in charge. A perfect example wherethe hearing's going on right now with doctor
Fauci testifying, and at a Rod'srequest, I will be referring to doctor
Fauci as doctor Tony Fauci from hereon out, because a Rod doesn't want
to besmirch his name Anthony by havingit associated with that man anymore, and

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I'm respecting his wishes on this.So doctor Tony is testifying in front of
Congress, and he's rewriting history ashe's testifying. And there's some woman on
the internet, bless her, She'stextas something she went through and found a
bunch of videos of doctor Fauci sayingtwo completely different things, saying on camera

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we've got to shut down. Youknow, fifteen days isn't enough. We
got to do it for thirty andthen telling Congress, oh, I never
told people to shut down. Inever said that. What okay, nineteen
eighty four, what do you doin New speak? Why don't you send
that press conference to the Ministry ofTruth. I'm sure they could change the
words coming out of your mouth.So it's just it's it's kind of irritating

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that we cannot this problem. It'snot intractable, and we're always told it's
so complicated, it's so convoluted.Perhaps that's the problem. Perhaps we create
an easy to understand setup, guidelinesthat apply to everyone equally. If you
have no means of supporting yourself inthis country, you cannot come here.

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If you have a history of shoutingdeath to America, even though you now
say you didn't mean it, youcan't come to this country. If you
want to come here and work andbetter yourself and learn English and become a
citizen, welcome to you. Wewelcome you and your hard work. But
we can't get it done because politicianslook at how it's going to benefit them

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politically. How are they going touse this to bludgeon their opponent in the
next election cycle. This is thefrustrating part about our allegedly representative government.
It doesn't represent us. Anymore.You know, I'm not saying that government
should be led by polling data,but shouldn't they at least pay attention when

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something like eighty five percent of Americanssupport legal immigration reforms so we can have
a robust immigration system so people cancome in and work. Shouldn't they pay
attention to that? Because for whateverreason, we never blame our own guys
and gals for the impasse that happensin DC. It's always somebody else's politicians,
right, they need to elect somebodydifferent. Those people need to send

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somebody else to DC. Our guy, our gal totally blameless, are they
really? The problem is is wedon't get the inside baseball. We don't
get We're not privy to the conversationsthat take place in the in the house
cloak room where all kinds of dealsare struck throughout the years. So we're
like I said, I'm vamping rightnow. I don't want to get too

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far into a topic because I havetopics. I have four guests coming up
today. It is the last showbefore my vacation starts tomorrow. And rather
than just mail it in, Iwas like, you know what, Mandy,
We're going to stack some guests upnow. One of them is scheduled
at twelve thirty, and I reallywant to talk to David, so I'm
hoping that we can get him intoday. But we will also talk to

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Thomas Frye. He's got a paperon the future of laws, which is
fascinating because you don't think about that. What should we do to improve our
legal system? Well, of courseour futureist, Thomas Frye thought about it.
And then we have a young woman, Aufrey Reiner. She was at
the Nova Music Festival on October seventhin Israel. She obviously survived that attack.
There is a movie now called superNova The Truth about October seventh.

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It is playing in an event tomorrownight. I did not link to the
event because it is already sold out, which is unfortunate. They're going to
play the movie and then Aufrey isgoing to talk and we're going to have
the opportunity to talk to her todayat two o'clock about that experience. And
I got to tell you, I'mvery much looking forward to hearing from her
and her perspective, because I thinkthat all of these idiots, all of

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these pro Hamas idiots, need tounderstand what was done on October seventh,
because they are deluding themselves and tryingto tell themselves that Hamas did not commit
war crimes and did not murder peopleand rape people and shoot people in porta
potties indiscriminately, because that's what happened. So Aufrey will join us at two
o'clock and then at two thirty arod. Did you even know that we

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have a theater that specializes in musicand are not music magic in castle Rock?
A theater, yes, no,a whole theater. Well, you're
going to learn all about the Theaterof Dreams because our last guest today Carol
Massey and Joe Given. They havethe coolest little theater and they bring in
all these magicians. They're very wellknown all around the country and we have

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it right there in Castle Rock.So we're going to talk a little magic.
I did tell Carol that I hatemagic because I can't figure out how
they do. It drives me crazy, Yeah, drives me absolutely insane.
Show that debunks everything. No,I don't. I don't want any part
of it. I don't want anypart of it. Although I have been
to shows at their place and they'rereally good. I really have that being

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said, I'm just gonna say,if from now on, if I come
to a show, there after theshow, my only demand is that you
tell me how to do all thetricks, and then I would love it.
That's not how my mind works.Anthony does not work that way,
unfortunately for me. You get alittle touch of psycho in me on that's

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what it comes out when you werea child. No, here's the thing.
It goes right to my ego.This is one hundred percent my ego
talking, okay, because I thinkI'm a pretty smart person, right,
and a pretty smart person should beable to figure out how they do these
tricks. No, it's not howit works, but that's how I think.

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Get out of that thought. Sothere you go. I'm just throwing
that out there. Enjoy the one. No, I don't know, because
then I feel like I've been I'vebeen taken. Maybe magic's real, all
right? Mm hmm? Yeah.Did Biden forget he was supposed to speak
this text or asks? I don'tknow. Perhaps, oh, he had

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to line up the requisite people behindhim. Let's do a diversity check,
a rod, I see a blackgentleman. Let's see three women, Yeah,
two three women, there's another AfricanAmerican gentleman. Oh no, I
just can't see because the glare notdiverse enough. I would have thought he
would have pulled out all the stopshere. Now, if you're just joining

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us, yeah, if you're justjoining us, President Biden is about to
speak on his executive actions on theborder. Here we go. You're today
to do what the Republics in Congressis used to do, take the necessary
steps to secure our border. Fourmonths ago, after weeks of intense negotiation
between my staff and Democrats and Republicans, we came to a clear bipartisan deal,

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the strongest border security agreement in decades. But then Republicans in Congress not
all but walked away from it.Why because Donald Trump told them to.
He told the Republicans that has beenpublished widely by many of you, that
he didn't want to fix the issue. He wanted to use it to attack
me. That's what he wanted todo. Is a cynical and an extremely

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cynical political move, and a completedisservice to the American people who are looking
for us to not to weaponize theborder, but to fix it. Today,
I'm joined by a bipartis a groupof governors, members of Congress,
mayors, law enforcement officials, mostof whom live at work along the southern
border. They know the border isnot a political issue to be weaponized the

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responsibility we have to share to dosomething about it. They don't have time
for the games played in Washington,and neither to the American people. So
today I'm moving past republic construction andusing the executive authorities available to me as
president to do what I can onmy own to address the border. Frankly,
I would have preferred to address thisissue through a bipartisan legislation because that's

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the only way to actually get thekind of system we have now that's broken
fixed, to hire more border patrolags, it's more asylum officer's, more
judges. But Republicans have left meno choice. Today, I'm announcing actions
to bar migrants who cross our southernborder unlawfully from receiving asylum. Migrants will

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be restricted from receiving asylum at oursouthern border unless they seek it after entering
through an established lawful process, andthose who seek come to the United States
legally, for example, by makingan appointment and coming to a port of
entry. Asylum will still be availableto them, still available, but if
an individual chooses not to use ourlegal pathways, if they choose to come

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without permission and against the law,will be restricted from receiving an asylum and
staying in the United States. Thisaction will help us to gain control of
our border restore order into the process. This ban will remain in place until
the number of people trying to enterillegally is reduced to the level that our
system can effectively manage. Will carryout this order consistent with all responsiblies under

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international law, every one of them. In addition to this action, we
recently made important reforms in our asylumsystem, more efficient and more secure reforms.
The goal is delivered decisions on asylumas quickly as possible, the quicker.
The quicker decision means that a migrantis less likely to pay a criminal
smuggler thousands of dollars are taken ona dangerous journey, knowing that if in

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fact they move in the wrong direction, they returned around quickly. Two weeks
ago, the Department of Justice statedstarted a new docket in the Immigration Course
to address cases where people have recentlycrossed the border to make make a decision
within six months rather than six years, because that's what happens now. Additionally,

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the Department of Homeless Security has proposednew rules to allow federal law enforcement
to more quickly remove asylum seekers thathave criminal convictions and remove them from the
United States. My administration has alsorecently launched new efforts to go after criminal
networks that profit from smuggling migrants toour border and incentivize people to give tips

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to law enforcement to provide information thatbrings smugglers to justice. We're also sending
additional federal prosecutors to hotspots along theborder and prosecute individuals who break our immigration
laws. One other critical stiff.We'll give you all the details of Captain
Mumbley Pant's new plan when we getback. I've got a guest coming on

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right now. David Heights has quitethe backstory. He had some issues with
mental health that led to him beinghomeless. He has since for the last
four or five years, been livingat Fusion Studios, which is operated by
the Colorado Coalition for the Homeless,while being productive and writing as a journalist,
which he's done for many many yearsat newsbreak dot com. He joins

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me today to talk about some ofthe issues that are happening at Fusion Studios,
which is one of the properties thatis managed by the Colorado Coalition for
the Homeless. David, Welcome tothe show. Thank you, thanks for
having me. Well, David,I wanted to have you on today for
a couple of reasons. One,I really enjoy the work that you do
at News Break. You cover alot of stories that are not kind of

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covered in the mainstream media, andI like the way you write, so
I want to amplify some of that. But thank you. I do think
that you are the person you're You'resort of in everyman representation of what we
want to see happen to people thatare living on the streets. We want

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to see them get the better,get help, and work their way back
into having the life that they wantto have. And that's the process that
you're in. Correct. Correct,Well, let's talk about the issues that
you have had and are trying torectify at Fusion Studios. Let's start with
the hell long have you been there? So I've been here. It'll be

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let me see five years in June, Okay, so you big month,
it's five years? Yeah, andtell me a little bit about Fusion for
people who don't know how Fusion Studiosoperates. How does that system work?
Yeah, so Fusion is owned byColorado Coalition for the Homeless, which owns
like twenty three properties, and mostof the people who live here are on

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what's called a Permanent support of Housingvoucher, which is what I am on.
My voucher is through the Substance Abuseand Mental Health Services Administration, the
federal agency. But people can have, you know, a host of different
vouchers from different places, and essentiallythe Coalition provides housing. You know,

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it can be very hard to getto find an apartment to rent after you've
been homeless, because you know,your credit is destroyed and you know all
that kind of thing. But I'vebeen having a lot of problems here in
Fusion because they can't seem to keepthe internet going. And when I can't
use the internet, I can't writemy stories, I can't make money,

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I can't be happy, you know, and it's really it's been really bad,
and it became a bit of anissue with the city council. The
city council actually discussed this last night, but they were having internet problems and
I was unable to watch the meeting. I plan to watch it this morning.
I know, how weird? Isthat exactly? Yeah? And apparently

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they're going to give the coalition amillion dollars and some of that money is
going to be used for new internetat Fusion. They're also going to give
the give their staff mental health firstaid training, and they're also going to
hire some support staff. So thesort of people who are living at Fusion
are they all like you? Arethey all working? Okay? That I

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wanted to ask, what is itlike living there? As you're trying to
kind of write the show? SoI'll give you an example. Last night,
the fire alarm went off at fouro'clock in the morning. It willed
for half an hour. This isalmost every this is almost a daily occurrence.
There are a lot of people herewho are profoundly mentally ill. There
are some people here who cannot performtheir own activities of daily living. There

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are some very sick people here.What kind of services are offered? You
know, the mayor loves to talkabout wrap around services, wrap around services?
What does that actually mean? Well, actually, I think there are
probably more wrap around services here atFusion than there are at some of the
other so called homeless hotels. TheCoalition, of course provides healthcare. So

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here at Fusion, we have therapists, we have mental health practitioners, all
that sort of thing. They're righthere on staff. They come to your
room. I have a therapist,well it did have a therapist. She's
not her maternity now, but shecame to my room once a week every
Friday. We'd go for a walkfor about an hour and just talk about

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things that you know, I mightbe dealing with. There's still it takes
a long time to quote unquote recoverfrom homelessness. Is that because the love
of trauma, of the actual situation. You know, you'll you'll remember things
that happened to you on the street, and you'll be disturbed by that.
And it's the thoughts. The thoughtsdon't always go away right away. You

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know. It's a lot terrible thingshappen to you when you're homeless. There's
there's nothing worse than being homeless.I don't think, well, I'm actually
encouraged to hear that you do havethat kind of support. So it sounds
like in some areas Fusion is meetingthe needs, but in other areas maybe
not so much. Right Well,you know, the big thing is a

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lot of people are very distrustful ofofficials, and so they won't accept the
help. Fusion does a pretty goodjob of offering it, you know,
if you want to take them uparning But for people that are in like
one of these city hotels where theCoalition comes once a week with the HOP,

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I think they call it the Hop, that's their mobile health center.
I mean, I don't imagine thatthey're getting the level of support as we
are here at Fusion, where thereare people right are right fight, So
basically, I mean, and thisis I read. I follow David on
Twitter and I'm talking to David Heights. He is a reporter. He publishes
his stelf on newsbreak dot com.And how long have you been a journalist,

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David? I mean, except sobeside the time you had your issues
and you were on the street,how long were you a job? I
was sixteen years old when I gota job as a sports copy clerk at
the Quad City Times in Davenport,Iowa. So by the time I had
graduated from Augustana College in nineteen ninetytwo, I already was full time at

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the Quad City Times in Davenport asthe day side police reporter. So I've
been at it just a long time, and I think it's interesting that here
you are, you're trying to work, you know, you're trying to make
your own living and secure a decentincome, and the thing you need more
than anything is the thing you can'tget consistently. Yeah, and you know,

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I just really I'm just really disgustedbecause I feel like they're just not
getting it. Yeah. Yeah,that we all need to have this Internet.
I can tell you there's been alot of kind of fights and squabbles
here the past several days. Peopleare very aggravated with the Internet being out.
A lot of people. That's howthey get their TV now, you

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know, yeah, Hulu and andall that stuff. David Heights is my
guest. Not only has he writtenabout homelessness extensively, he has also written
a great column about shiny new policebadges. Who knew, David, that
they caught so much? You know, I try to keep an eye out
for those stories that affect taxpayers inthe pocketbook. I saw on the agenda

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that the council was buying new badgesfor police, fire and sheriffs. Departments
mounting to eight hundred and seventy thousanddollars. That's crazy, it's yeah,
it's The comments on that story havebeen pretty hardy, but yeah, that's
an awful lot of money for badges. Well, David, I appreciate you

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taking time today to kind of bringus up to speed, and I'm going
to be following along and keep meposted. Then let me know if this
problem gets taken care of. Well, and thanks for having me. I
sure appreciate it. Oh that's DavidHigh. David, thanks so much,
man, have a great day,have a good one, all right.
See, when people are trying todo the right thing, we've got to
support them and help them get whatthey need so they can continue to evolve

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and become the people that the bestversion of themselves. That's what we should
all want for everyone. We're todayto do it. The Republic's in Congress
is she's a dude, take thenecessary steps to secure our border. Okay,
that's enough. We don't have tolisten to it again. It was
bad enough the first time. Thereis no way that dude is making in
another four years, not a snook. And what you guys couldn't see okay,

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because we kept watching it after weturned off the president's comments. So
let me just give you what happenedat the end. I got to stand
up for this, so I gotta. So he's standing there, he finishes
his comments, and I thought hewas going to take questions. I mean,
why wouldn't you take questions? Right? The press is all assembled in
front of you. He looks around, He looks back over one shoulder,
like what do I do now?Then he turns forward again, closes his

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book, turns in the other direction, walks like four feet, and then
stops and kind of talks back towardsthe press, but doesn't say anything.
He just stands there through the teleprompterlike he had no clue where he was
supposed to go. And then hewalks off, just doesn't answer a question.

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JOEBI the passage of time exactly fierce. Oh my goodness. Now if
I'm not mistaken, and I haveto get clarification on how this is different.
But when uh, Donald Trump triedto shut down the abuse of the
asylum system that we're seeing now,and it is a tremendous abuse of the

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silent asylum system, and he wasshut down by a judge and the Supreme
Court refused to take it up.So I don't know how this is different.
This this new border policy. Bythe way, when you add it
up, he says, if wehad more on twenty five entries per day,
that means that one million illegal alienswill be allowed to walk in and

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stay in this country every year.One million at twenty five hundred a day.
This is such a piece of crapexecutive order. It's just a piece
of garbage, and it's solely designedto win voters because he knows that seventy
percent of Americans disapprove of the wayhe is handling the southern border. Oh

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if you missed it, y'all,I don't care what platform you just go
to YouTube and look at it.He looks like he is one hundred and
fifty years old. He's freaking Methuselah. President Methuselah. That's who we have.
It's scary as hell, you guys. And it's two thirty in the
afternoon when these comments are being made. It's not like it's twelve pm.

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I mean twelve am, middle ofthe night. This is middle of the
day, not time. Seriously,good gravy. I'm you know this.
This is convinced me that they havehim jacked up on adderall, probably for
the for the debates, because theguy that just stumbled out on stage and
daddered around and then dadded off,that guy is not the snappy guy that

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we're gonna see at these debates.What is he on? What have they
given him or what is he on? Now? I think he's just he's
just super old, you guys,and this, this presidency is going to
kill him. A vote for JoeBiden is a vote for president Kamala Harris.
I just don't see him making itthrough the next four years. He
was old four years ago. Heis ancient now, and not in a

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good way. That's right, Kamala. The passage of time has not been
conned. She was just foreshadowing whatshe's waiting out. She really was.
Kamala knew what was up. She'slike, I'll just wait this old dude
out. I got I got time. I mean, women marry really old
dudes all the time, thinking they'regonna wait him out. I'm not even

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kidding about that. That's always struckme as incredibly sad, but I know
it happens now. Kamala is inthe wings pop and Popcorn waiting for it
to go down. And by itI mean Joe Biden. She is mister
Burns from The Simpsons right now.That was wonderful, President Biden, wonderful.
Keep up the good work. We'llbe right back. If you want

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to have him come speak to yourorganization or about your industry, you can
find him at futurist speaker dot com. I linked on the blog to find
him. But now, Thomas,I would to kind of want to talk
about what you were talking about inSouth Korea. I think this is a
fascinating topic. Now we are goingto talk about the future of laws because
I'd never thought about it like that. But what do we need to do

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to improve our legal system? Butyou just got back from South Korea and
you were talking in one of yourtalks about the failing birth rate in South
Korea, and I don't think peoplerealize how dangerous it is for a society
to fall below the replacement rate.So can you talk a little bit about

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why that matters. Yeah, there'sa whole bunch of factors that come into
play. When the birth rate getsbelow the replacement rate, it changes the
supply and demand equation. And firstof all, like Japan, then you
start having lots of empty houses.In Japan right now has over nine million

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empty houses, and these are allin rural communities, and nobody wants to
pay to fix up these houses.And acost of housing in these rural communities
is going down rapidly, and theydon't have enough people to maintain the local
governments anymore, so that we're havinglocal government collapse at the same time over

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there. And so this is justsome of the early stage stuff and then
the later stage stuff. In twentyforty Korea, every working person has to
support three retired people. So whenthey have an aging society like that,
everything gets out of whack. Andyou said, Korea has the South Korea

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has the lowest birth rate in theworld. Yeah, it's currently at zero
point six five. You need twopoint one kids per family in order to
maintain an even population. They're wayway below replacement rate right now. I
asked you why that was, andyou said, look, when people start
making a certain amount of money,they stop having kids. And I think

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that this is what we're seeing inthe United States, because we are if
we're not right at the replacement ratewe have to be. Are we just
below it in the US? Doyou know that on the top of your
head? At one point seven onepoint six or one point seven somewhere around
there. But the entire world isbelow replacement rate except the continent of Africa,

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in the country of Pakistan. Okay, go Pakistan to Africa. I
mean, but this is going tobe in our system of government right now.
You were just talking about in Japan, one worker is going to be
supporting three retirees. We are goingto face a similar situation here. That's
correct. Yes, it may takea little bit longer because we're not quite

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that low in the replacement rate,but that that's coming. Yeah. People
that think that that just dropping offthe cliff and having far fewer kids is
going to be just fine, itwon't be. It's going to create all
kinds of problems for governments. Itwill create lots of problems for all the

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systems that we have in all ofour family structures as well. So this
is one of those situations where howdo you fix it? Right? So
what kind of things have they've beenthrowing against the wall in Korea and Japan
to see if they would stick?What have they done. Well, They've

(32:59):
tried everything from well trying to createfamily friendly communities. They try to make
it make it so that people thathave families have bigger places to live,
they have some government support, theyget uh, they get tax breaks and

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things like that. They've tried anumber of things. But the only thing
that's actually proven to move the needleat all is what they're doing over in
Hungry, And it has to dowith somebody that says that they're going to
have three kids and they get amuch larger apartment and they get a lower,
lower interest rates and decent sized loan. And it's a complicated system they

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have in Hungry, and it's noteasily duplicatable around the world. So so
it's not too much of a glimmeringlight in the darkness here. Is this
something we're trying to address in theUnited States as well. I don't think
anybody in the US cares about this. The way our government is structured,

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knowing how the Social Security medicare,all those programs are essentially a Ponzi scheme.
I mean they're they're they would neverbe allowed to be set up that
way in the private sector. Butthis is what we have. And if
we don't have enough people to payinto social Security, then social Security,
medicare all those programs collapse. Imean, this seems like this should be

(34:28):
we should be sounding the alarm onthis. Well, yeah, so that's
why they're raising the age or socialsecurity the age of retirement, and they're
going to keep raising it until theybalance it out. So people are going
to be working till they're in theirseventies and eighties here pretty soon. Stop

(34:51):
it, Stop it right now,and on that. We're doing a complete
pivot because I don't want to hearthat kind of hate speech on the radio.
Thomas Frye Uh Thomas has a newcall. It came out of February.
It is called four Laws for Managingthe Laws. Why are we revisiting
this now? Anybody that's watching thenews right now realizes that this topic of

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justice reform is going to come up. Our organization tries to stay politically neutral
on all of these topics, butthis is going to be a hot topic.
And this is a kind of apolitically neutral way of addressing judicial reform.
And in my mind, this issomething that should have been addressed a

(35:37):
long time ago. But The firststep is nobody knows how many laws we
have in the United States, andso somewhere along the way, we need
to get our minds wrapped around howmany laws are out there. And if
we have all the laws posted inone certain place, all of the laws
in the states, and the federalgovernment and the cities all get posts on

(36:00):
a central website that everybody can accessaround the country, then we will at
least start understanding how many laws we'redealing with. And I think that's an
interesting way to put it, becausethen you say, if they're not posted
on the website, they will bedeemed unenforceable, which I think is super
interesting. Why that last caveat,Yeah, because I don't know. I

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don't think we should just have sneakylaws that we can use on people at
any given moment. I just don'tthink that's reasonable. Whip them out of
the back pocket, like here's thelaw you broke, and now you're going
to pay for it. Number two. I love number two because number two
would go a long way to thinningthe herd in number one. Right,

(36:50):
if the laws is posted there thathasn't been in Forrester hasn't come into play.
For the last twenty years in automaticallysunsets, it goes away. We
don't need all of these old lawsfrom the eighteen hundreds hanging around for somebody
to dig up and try to enforceone hundred and fifty years later. I
have ever to make any said Okay, you know what though, this is

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what I fear is this is whatI fear because I always think, Okay,
what's the least or or what's theleast desirable reaction to this. Then
I just have this feeling that everynineteen and a half years, somebody's gonna
get charged for riding their horse downMain Street on Sunday, just to make
sure that lass days on the books, you know what I mean. And
I'm using that example is a cheekyexample, but like financial crimes or some

(37:37):
of those things, I can seeprosecutors going, oh boy, we're not
going to let that fall off.So we got to find a sucker to
hang that on. And I knowit sounds crazy, but I've seen enough
crazy stuff to think that could happenpossibly. But we're dealing with a massive
number of laws and it's hard forthem to keep track of all of them

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that are going to be going away. Number three is one that needs to
happen, like right now and today. Any new law written should be written
using this standard, and that isyou want them simplified. Yeah, what
I'm simplified. That should be writtenat an eighth grade level or maybe even
lower than that. There's there's noreason to write a law that's written in

(38:22):
legalese that nobody can understand. Itjust needs to be plain English, something
that anybody off the street can justcome across and read it and they understand
what's going on there. Making thingssimple is not an evil request. So
but I think that that is probablythe best thing that we can do.

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And it's written in legalese, Ibelieve to obfuscate. Right, the more
complicated they make the script, themore the easier it is to exploit.
Because when a law is written,a law just exists until the courts put
some meat on the bones of thelaw, right until that law is interpreted
in one way or another, thatlaw is just out there. And so

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the more complicated they make it tounderstand, I think they believe that they'll
have more wiggle room to have itinterpreted it in a way that may be
favorable to their viewpoint, and that'swhy I think it's written so in such
a ridiculous form. But I agreeit's completely unnecessary. It's almost like we've
managed to somehow maintain our connection tothe Queen's English and all that's involved in

(39:30):
that and the whereases and heretofoce,but only in the legal system. The
rest of us have moved on.Yeah, so it's like the King James
version of the Bible exactly exactly,okay, and then number four Code of
Government Ethics tell me about that.Yeah. Yeah, it just is not

(39:57):
reasonable to think that anybody that uhenforces the law should benefit from what how
they're enforcing it. So, asan example, when the FBI seizes property
from people, that encourages them todo that because they get access to that,
and that doesn't seem reasonable to me. The first, the first,

(40:22):
third first thought I had was civilasset forfeiture, where if police suspect you
of something, they can take yourstuff right right, and if they benefit
from it, then they're more likelyto to enforce those things. They're more
likely to twist the law in theirfavor. It's the same as getting traffic

(40:45):
tickets in a city. A lotof cities actually try to balance their budgets
by by writing more tickets towards theend of the month just to break even.
That's that seems unethical to me.It seems like they shouldn't directly benefit
from that. They're small communities thattheir entire town's budgets come from the writing

(41:07):
of traffic tickets. They don't haveany other economic means. And I'm with
you. I don't think you shouldever be able to benefit. I do
think that that last code of governmentethics should also apply to say you cannot
personally benefit by using the justice systemagainst someone else in a malicious way.
I mean, I feel like,and I've said this before, this Trump

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case is concerning to me on manylevels, and not the least of which
is is that the law has beenunevenly applied. And someone on the text
line said laws need to be writtento apply to all citizens. There should
be no exemptions for anyone politicians.So could you throw that in. I
mean, in theory, that's inthe constitution, but it sometimes gets overlooked.

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Yeah, that should be in thereas well. But the ethics problem
comes in when it benefits one groupspecifically, and if that group is the
one enforcing the law that just seemshighly unethical. You know. The sad
thing, Thomas, is that theseare all really good ideas, but the

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people that would be bound by themare the people that would have to rewrite
things right. They would have toput forth these laws or ordinances or whatever,
and they will never do it becausethis is one of those where the
system they have that the devil theyknow is better than the devil they don't,
And that is a huge frustration.And I think you know, in

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Colorado we have a valid initiative system, but you'd have to split all four
of these into four different valid initiativesbecause of the single subject rule. But
do you think any of this willever get done? Or do you think
we love our politics like down anddirty and we're all somewhat satisfied, so
we're not ever going to demand significantchange. I don't know. I see

(43:02):
a lot of things percolating to thetop at this time. So I think
that now is as good a timeas any changes. You know, when
you when you look at this,uh, you move into a community,
where do you find out what thelaws are in that community? Because you're
you're driving down the road and asyou're driving down the road. New laws

(43:24):
come into effect and old laws goaway, and you have no idea what
any of these are at any giventime. And I'm pretty sure there's some
places in the United States where it'snot okay to do a right turn on
a red light, and we justas that might be okay. I know

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in the city of Longmont has hasa law that says you have to have
cat licenses. All your cats haveto be licensed. And I'm not people
moving in there are not going tobe able to find that law. It's
hidden some file box somewhere in thecity. Yeah, so these things should

(44:07):
be prominent. They should be displayedin a place that everybody can find them
and everybody can read them and understandthem. That's nothing here is unreasonable.
But I mean, I've been aroundpoliticians long enough to know that they don't
want to change anything that could besomewhat limiting to their abilities to get their

(44:30):
desired outcomes whatever they are. Andthis is a nonpartisan issue, right,
This is not like one team doesn'tand the other doesn't. This is across
the board that they are loads tochange anything that they currently view to be
to their advantage and keeping people inthe dark, especially the one there should
be the easiest one, the simplificationlaw, where everything has to be written

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at an eighth grade level. Theywould fight tooth and nail against that and
tell you that there's a reason thatwe have to have all this ridiculous,
you know, haughty language, andthat it's for the best, And the
reality is nothing could be further fromthe truth, you know. But how
do you go back? How doyou have Do you have a team or
a committee that looks at every lawand determines what it should say in plain

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English? Well, we're a countrythat has the highest percentage of our population
incarcerated of any country at any timein history, and we also have the
greatest number of laws of any countryat any time in history. This just
is not reasonable. This has reacheda point where everything's out of control,

(45:36):
and I think we're seeing it allover the newspapers right now. We can't
afford to be putting all of ourtalented people in prison because we have a
one size fits all form of punishmentfor everybody. That's rather ridiculous. So
somewhere along the way this is goingto get changed. I don't know when

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it's going to get changed or howit's going to get changed. I think
we're getting really close to that pointfrom your lives to God's ears. But
I'll believe it when, you know, we see people actually start to vote
differently and pay attention and make thoughtfulchoices. And I just think that we
are We're too lazy. We're justtoo intellectually lazy, we're too selfish.
We're not having kids because we've decidedthat having, you know, a dink

(46:19):
household, dual income, no kidsis the way to go. And I
actually feel kind of sorry for thosepeople who think that their fat bank account
is going to be something at theend of their lives that they look back
on with any sort of warm andfuzzy feeling, you know. I mean,
don't get me wrong, having kidsis a pain in the ass,
but it's totally worth it most ofthe time. Yeah. Yeah, I

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don't know anybody that's had kids thatregrets having kids. I know a lot
of people that regret not having kidsexactly. So yeah, I might be
wrong on that, but that's theway it appears to me. Thomas Frye
is as our futurists. You canread this column because it's a really good
column and he goes through and explainsa bunch of stuff I linked to it

(47:05):
on the blog today. And ifyou would like him to come to your
business and talk about your industry orfalling birth rates or whatever. I mean,
do you choose what you talk aboutor did they ask you to come
and talk about the falling birth ratesin South Korea. They've actually asked me
to come and talk about that topicthere, so I do a lot of
research. Night I was on stagewith Stephen Shaw and he's actually become obsessed

(47:31):
with this topic and is actually producingdocumentaries on it right now. Well,
good for him. Quite fascinating.Thomas. We'll talk to you again next
month, my friend. All right, all right, have a good month,
all right. That is Thomas Frye, our future speaker. You can
find him on the blog today andyou can check out all of his contact

(47:53):
information. I just you know,I you never really think about that kind
of stuff about replacement rates and thingslike that, you know, whatever we
talk about stuff like that, Youknow what I think of inevitably that story
that I talked about a long timeago, about the mouse Utopia, where
in the sixties the sky built amouse utopia that had the perfect amount of

(48:15):
space for every mouse. They didn'thave to want for anything. They had
all their food delivered, they hadtheir water delivered, and within two generations
they spent too much time grooming themselvesand looking in the mirror, and their
entire population died out. Where arewe in the mouse utopia? Just something
to think about. When do weget back yet another guest? No?

(48:35):
Wait is our no? Our nexttwo guests are in the two o'clock hour,
So now we can actually talk aboutsome of the stuff on the blog
coming up next. A lot ofstuff on the blog today that we're not
going to get to. But Ialso have some interesting stuff on the blog
as well. But I have shorttimer's disease, real bad. So a
Rod should I do the story ofhow Americans announce their Americans when traveling abroad?

(48:58):
Things Americans do Because I'm not I'mintrud I'm not kidding when I say
I do like half of these,but I don't care. I don't care
because I'm not going to change beinga friendly, open American just because I
am traveling overseas. Now some ofthese are annoying. Okay, you cannot
think that everyone will understand English whenyou go to a foreign country. Now,

(49:20):
in some countries, everybody speaks English. As a matter of fact,
I was reading in a Norwegian guidebook. They're like, oh, don't worry.
In Norway everyone speaks English, sothat's nice. But expecting other people
to get English or speak English,or getting frustrated when they don't, that's
not cool. But one of thema rod striking up random conversation with literally

(49:43):
anyone. I like that as anAmerican. And you know why I like
it because and here I thought aboutthis because this list kind of torked me
off a little bit. One ofthe things that irritated me was, you
know what, we strike up conversationswith everyone because everyone is so different.
When you're in a country that iscompletely homogeneous and everyone has the same life

(50:04):
experience, you don't get to say, hey, where are you're from,
because they're from like right right downthe road. You know, I'm your
dude, eat. But in theUnited States, you say where you're from,
and there's a really good chance thatsomeone is going to respond with the
place you've never been. You know, there's a chance because we're such a
big country. In the UK,you can go everywhere. In eight hours

(50:25):
you can go end to end.Well maybe not eight hours, maybe a
little bit more, but on thetrain. Absolutely, these are dinky little
nations. I will not stop beingfriendly our new Austrian friends. We were
just chatting with them. Three Austriascan fit into Colorado. Yeah, yeah,
so that's how tiny is now.I did find when we went to
Switzerland that people were extremely friendly there, and I struck up conversations with everyone,

(50:52):
and people were very responsive, andwe had nice conversations and they were
very they were lovely. So Iam not stopping that particular habit. Go
you. Apparently Hawaiian shirts are savedfor Americans. Yes, they are of
our people. Hawaiian Polynesian culture ispart of the United States of America.
So yes. And by the way, Chuck did pack his Hawaiian shirt for

(51:14):
this vacation. He does every vacationbecause ultimately he doesn't care what this list
thinks. There's one touching things andanimals they shouldn't. I have never experienced
this. Ah. I'm not specificto animals, but things that you shouldn't.
I see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a thing.
It's annoying. Uh see Now,I'm I'm I'm not only a rule follower.

(51:37):
I will bark at you if youbreak the rules like I will.
Absolutely we went to Devil's Mountain orDevil's Devils Tower, thank you, And
you know Devil's Tower. They havepaths that walk around. They're very clearly
marked and on the side of thepath is please don't leave the path.
We're revegetating this area. So Ican't even tell you how many families which
is barrels. Maybe you're right nownow I'm actually making your case that this

(52:00):
is a common thing. Would barrelright over the sign to walk into the
vegetation so they could take a betterpicture. And I'm like, dude,
those are the close encounters. No, exactly, exactly. Only Americans wear
shorts in the cold because we're stronglike bull, dragon, strong like bull.

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Giving a detailed response when someone askswhere you live, it's because we
live in such a big country.You know, it matters. Put out
feelers first, put out a realbrief description, see if they seem interested,
then dive in the more detail Igive them. I'm from Colorado in
the United States. That's where Istart. And they go, oh,
and a lot of people have heardof Colorado, but they think the whole

(52:45):
state is the Rocky Mountains. IfI'm in the US, I say Denver.
If outside I yes, I alsosay called and I say Denver if
they don't live in Denver, becauseit's too hard to explain. You know,
the suburb of Denver. It's fine, So that is not I don't
think that's I think that's explainable.Because again, when you're and this is
why people get irritated when you're fromthe UK and you say, oh,

(53:07):
are you near London and people likeno, even though they're only an hour
and a half away. In theUnited States, an hour and a half
is like, yeah, we're kindof close. We're practically neighbors. Thinking
everything including stores will be open convenientlylate. Yes, my friends, there
are a lot of nations around theworld where businesses roll up at five and

(53:28):
six o'clock and there is nothing todo after that time. Switzerland had a
lot of that. Not in Zurich, but in Lausanne. Yes, everything
rolled up early. Uh, wearingtall white socks show you are an American.
Well that's actually coming back now,so I'm skipping eating sweet food for
breakfast. This one kind of shockedme because a lot of countries I eat

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protein for breakfast and I always haveI need my protein first thing in the
morning. And there's some countries whereit's downright difficult to find anything protein for
breakfast. That'd be a problem.Yeah, you gotta have protein for breakfast.
On the protein exactly. But they'retalking about donuts, exaggerating a bit
about their non American heritage. Thisone kind of cracks me up because it's

(54:12):
like you, I'm one eighty secondIrish. Yeah I am. I wear
my kiss me I'm Irish shirt everySaint Patrick's Day. Love it. Those
of us who are legitimately one quarteror something. I am one quarter Hungarian,
one full quarter because actually no,I'm half. No, wait a
minute, we do the math again. Nope, I am one quarter Hungarian

(54:36):
because my maternal grandparents were both Hungarian. But I don't really care, although
I do look like everyone in Hungary. It was kind of cool. It
was actually very cool. This one. Smiling at strangers is an American thing,
and I will not stop it.We can't help. But if we
had good teeth, it's not thesmile you got did a little like the
weird swash. Yeah, you knowwhat I'm talking about. Yeah, No,

(54:59):
I don't do that. I dofull smile and I say hello or
hello or good morgan or whatever's appropriate. Do you learn how to say hello?
When you go to places? Youshould always learn how to say hello
in their language. I don't makean effort to, but I will.
That's nice. Is the only otherplaces I've been right now is just Ola,
so well, Norway Hello or hihi eh ei hei, that's how

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they say hello in Norway. Ifeel confident I'm gonna be able to pull
that off. Baseball is American,and so are baseball hats. Asking for
your drink to go is an Americanhabit. Yeah, they will actually look
at you like you're insane, especiallylike in Italy, if you offer,
if you ask for a coffee togo, they will look at you with
disdain in their faces, because coffeeis meant to be set and enjoyed and

(55:45):
then you go about your way.But they don't have a sense of urgency.
In a lot of these countries,socks with sandals is a total giveaway
that someone's American, and we shouldall be shamed for that. Just letting
you know, asking for a boxto go is weird in the United States.
We're used to it because portions hereare so big. I've never really

(56:05):
felt like I needed a box togo with a European meal, even if
it was multi courses, because thecourses are much smaller. If someone sits
in the taxicab's front seat, they'reprobably American and to love for applauding,
apparently, and aeron, we loveto applaud's tray on. Again, I'm
not stopping, I'm just letting youknow that this makes us stick out.

(56:27):
Big tips are an American thing.Yeah, big tips. I again will
not apologize for giving someone money.I do suddenly love the rest of the
world a little more. Well,it's got to earn it, earn it,
and they do. Ancient history isextra exciting for American tourists. I
am guilty as charged. When Iwalk into a church in Germany that was

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built in like seven hundred something,I have to have a moment just to
consider its antiquity, because we don'thave anything like that in the United States
other than some of the Spanish cocinutbuildings that are in the Saint Augustine that
I'm aware of well, and forus like here, in Colorado or West
Coast. Yeah, East Coast kindof has that allure a little bit,

(57:10):
a little bit because it is quitea bit older. Yeah, expecting lemonade
to be the same. Don't expectstuff to be the same, and you'll
be fine if you get something that'ssimilar. It is that home. I
don't like this. I've actually heardthat said before. The only thing that
I found truly confounding that I waslike, why can't this be like it
is in the United States was Iwent to a hotel room one time and
I could not figure out how toflush the toilet. Oh, that's problem,

(57:31):
I'm not I had to call downstairsask them. I don't remember now,
is it broken? No, itwas just weird. The toilets in
Europe are not standardized, so youcan go from country to country and they
all have different toilets, and theyall have like some of them have a
pedal at the bottom that you haveto push, some of them have a
button somewhere, some of them havethis. It was just like completely confounding,

(57:52):
and I was so embarrassed. Thewater's going the other direction. Idea
that's in Australia. Yeah, takingpersonal space very seriously this one. I
get maybe because the US is sucha big country, people are used to
having space. They want that personalspace on vacation, and we don't.

(58:13):
Necessarily depending on where you are getit, I could get over it.
But a baby bubble at least alittle bit of a bubble. Yeah yeah.
Being on mass transit in Europe,you have no bubble. Yeah,
it's just your squich in there.Speaking of that, not being used to
using public transport and pedestrians, that'strue. I mean, that is just
true. Being super duper enthusiastic whentraveling, y'all. I am that person,

(58:37):
and I don't care. I willcontinue to be this super duper enthusiastic
person because that is who I am. Be your old American self flyer,
American freak flag, just wear it. On the blog today, there is
some coverage of doctor Anthony excuse me, doctor Tony Fauci. A Rod has

(58:59):
asked that I no longer refer todoctor Tony Fauci as Anthony because it smirches
Anthony's good name. So I'm nowreferring to him as doctor Tony Fauci.
If you could just stay six feetaway from that'd be great. Well,
that makes as much sense as thesix foot rule that we did during COVID.
So yeah, sure, okay,that's fine. Interesting stuff is coming
out of this, But what isnot surprising is the man's arrogance as he

(59:22):
is rewriting history while under oath toCongress. And this Twitter person Texas lindsay
she did an entire video that Ihave on the blog today that is Fauci
versus Fauci. Just give me myaudio for just a second, a Rod.
I'm gonna just play a little bitof this, but you're gonna start

(59:42):
to get I'm gonna tell you whatyear it is, and then and then
I'll just let him talk. Sohe starts out in twenty seventeen. Active
to the topic today is the issueof pandemic preparedness. And if there's one
message that I want to leave withyou today based on my experience and see
that in a moment, is thatthere is no question that there will be

(01:00:05):
a challenge the coming administration and thearena of infectious diseases, but also there
will be a surprise outbreak. Thisis him on gain of function research.
I don't know how many times Ican say it, Madam Chare twenty one
we did not fund gain of functionresearch to be conducted in the Wuhan Institute
of our Ology anywhere about NIH liftsfunding pause on gain of function research that

(01:00:31):
might be anticipated to create transfer ause enhanced potential pandemic pathogens. I don't
think this is going to be foolproof. Things are going to slip through
now. It goes on from there. But it's Fauci versus Fauci. I
always kept an open mind on thelab Liik theory. It's Fauci versus Fauci
on masking. It's Fauci versus Faucion. I didn't tell everybody to shut

(01:00:53):
down. I mean, the soundbites are damning, and he was so
arrogant. Nothing contrite about him yesterdaytestifying before Congress. He takes no responsibility
for any of the damage that wasdone by the policies that he advocated for.
This man has destroyed any faith ingovernment medicine or government science. Remember

(01:01:19):
he is science, he said that. So it's just incredibly frustrating. And
there's an article about the testimony yesterdayfrom the Free Press and they say,
look, you know that Democrats justcould not say enough nice things about him.
You just saved us all from disaster, and it's just these It doesn't

(01:01:40):
matter which team is in charge onCapitol Hill, these congressional investigations inevitably boiled
down to one side telling us howwonderful and perfect the witness is, while
the other side says, you arethe worst thing that's ever happened humanity,
and there's just nothing useful here.The reality is is that we all should

(01:02:02):
know by now that this virus escapedfrom that Wuhan lab, a Wuhan lab,
that the National Institute of Health wasfunding gain of function research. That's
in his own words. You canput that together. But instead of saying
we did the best we could,we made some mistakes. I would never
want to do him again. He'sbasically like, was it my fault?

(01:02:23):
I didn't do it? What's yourproblem, lady. It's really remarkable.
You should check out the video.That video, by the way, is
five minutes and thirty seven seconds ofdoctor Fauci arguing with himself, it's worth
your time five minutes. You won'tregret when we get back. I am
very excited to have our next gueston. Have we confirmed? Do we

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know? Okay? We're good?So our next guest was at the Supernova
Music Festival. The Nova Music Festivalon October seventh. She is here in
town as part of an event witha new movie, and we're going to
talk to Aufrey Ryder when we getback. Special guest with us today,
O Free Reiner is in town aspart of the showing of a film called

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Supernova The Truth About October seventh.She was actually at the Nova Music Festival
and O Free, first of all, thank you for making time to join
us today. Thank you for havingme. So tell me a little bit
about you growing up. Did yougrow You're born in Israel, did you
grow you know, tell me alittle bit about that. First. Yes,

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I was born and raised in Haifai, Asrael in the north twenty one.
I dismissed from the army a monthago. I've been a combat soldier
and a commander at Search and Rescuefor three years. And actually when I
was at the Noble Festival massacre,I was stealing service. I had my
break after a while, and I'vegrown and grown to be a I believe

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the idealistic person that believes in thevalues of Israel, and now I was
facing all of it in front ofmy eyes at October seventh, So tell
me, as much as you feelcomfortable about that day, I will do
it as much as I feel comfortable. At October seventh, I survived the

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Nova Festival massacre along with four friendsof mine. We escaped in a span
of eleven miles when all the rocketsand the terrorists were shooting at us from
a meters ahead. When I arrivedback home, I was told that my

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brother in law, my stepbrother,is missing. And three days after I
was informed that he is dead.She Livedagan was a Golani soldier, very
talented soldier, and that sought outthe defeat in front of one thy five
hundred terrorists for fifty minutes of battle, along with the only twenty three other

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soldiers. And since that day,since those two weeks of grief and sorrow,
when all my chest was filled upedwith darkness, I wanted to come
out with the light and to bringmy light. And how I healed and
how I'm healing until now back herein the States. Do you feel any

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survivor's guilt? Because you made it, You and your friends made it,
and so many people didn't. Absolutelyand it will take me a lifetime to
separate between my guilt and to understandwhat's good for me and what's not for
me. The first question that Iever asked myself was why him and not
me? And how it looked likeif they had to bury the both of

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us. The fact that all ofour family was struck in such a huge
trauma and made me sit in griefand sit in grief as the eldest daughter
on the one hand, and toget my life back and to live my
life as a new girl again atthe same time, and to embrace those

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two contradictions sides and me was extremelyhard for a while until I understood how
to balance it out inside my soul. Now, first of all, tell
me about the movie, because you'vebeen doing this now for almost a month,
so you've seen this film. Whatcan people learn through the movie Supernova?
The truth about October seventh? Tellme about the film itself. So,

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unfortunately I cannot tell you a lotabout this movie because I haven't watched
it. The Supernova film is astory that takes the terrorists footage rough footage
from that day, along with oursurvivors footages and videos along the run,

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and they combine it altogether to makesome kind of a story of how we
escaped. For me, it's toohard to watch and it's too traumatizing to
do it over and over again.And even when I will come and they
will see the film, I willbe in in my own green room,
sitting quietly, and I will comeonly afterwards, because it's it's a very

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graphic movie that's come here to showexactly what happened. I was wondering how
you were able to watch this film. I was amazed by that. So
that makes so much sense for youto take that stand. I was the
word. I just couldn't imagine doingthat, and so that makes perfect sense

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to me. What do you wantpeople to know? Because I asked Ofree
off the air, how she beenreceived, because she's been at different university,
She's been at all of these differentevents. She's doing one that is
completely sold out here locally tomorrow night, or I would give you the ticket
information, but you can't go anyway. How have you been received across the
country and what have you seen thateither makes you feel good about things or

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makes you go wow, things arenot the way they should be. Well.
Luckily for me, I came tocommunities that embraced me and wanted to
hear from me, and came withwarm hands and just wanted to show love
and appreciation. And for me itwas such a surprise, because in Israel,

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all we see is the loud voicesof the encampments shouting through the air
and being violent. Of course,that this is still happening and still occurring,
it's just that I thankfully ran intothe people that weren't that loud and
weren't that violent, and all theJewish and Christians communities abroad that I came

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along with and just wanted to showlove and affection from the other side of
the globe, And that was amazingfor me. What do you wish that
these students that are in these encampmentsknew about Israel and knew about the Palestinian
conflict. I think that now inthe US it's so confusing to differentiate between

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what is just and what is viral, and people are taking their behavioral and
cultural patterns they've learned from years ago, and they procrastinated it over the Israeli
Palestinian conflict. And I wish thatif they had just had enough empathy to
hear both sides, to understand andhold those two truths together, and to

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appreciate our right of living and myright of standing here and being vulnerable and
in pain, even though that I'min there. And I opened this as
an oppressor. The man liked theoppressor. I just found out my guest

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O Free Reiner, in addition tothe event in Denver that is sold out,
is also going to be at FortCollins in June sixth at seven thirty
at the Lincoln Center. I justput a link to that. They'll be
showing the movie Supernova seventh. I'vegot it right here, Thursday, June
sixth. Yeah, so it's Thursday, June sixth and I've got a link

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on the blog now. It's atthe Lincoln Center in Magnolia Theater in Fort
Collins. O Free is one ofthe survivors of that terrible day, and
I wanted to just ask her alittle bit. I asked her before the
break what she wanted young people toknow about Israel, and essentially that the
oppressor narrative is not quite accurate.And I think one of the ways to

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explain that is O Free. Whatwas your daily life, I mean,
were you were you worried about constantdeath before October seventh. Tell me about
your life in Israel before October seventhversus for October seventh. Absolutely before that,
I will make a few corrections thatit's going to be a June seventh,

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the fourth Collins events. And I'llcontinue by saying that for me as
a person, the all I wantedsince I was very little is make peace
through dialogue and baseless love as aas a girl, as a young girl,
when I was fourteen, I participatedin an organization called Seats of Peace.

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I had dialogues with Israelis, Palestinians, Trigidiorginians, and Egyptians all about
peace. All I wanted to dowas to to be the empathy woman and
the barrier that can that can changethe narrative of the oppressor. And but
still every single day we had aterrorist attack on buses, any public space

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was unsafe for us, and evenfrom before October seventh, but since October
seventh, it seems like all ofour life was colored in gray. And
I don't think that there is onefamily that's left hole after October seventh.
My entire family is now in astate of trauma, and all the other

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families in Israel are still in thetrauma trying to hold themselves together. We
are in a huge threat in ourday to day's life, especially now there
are two thy five hundred acres atthe north that was burnt from Hisabella and

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all of our terror, all ofour land now is still feel unsafe in
the borders, outside of the bordersfrom rockets from terrorist attack. You can
feel it everywhere now in Israel isthis way. And still I was gonna
say, is this why this isone of the things that people need to

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understand. Do you believe that therecan be a peaceful two state solution if
Hamas is going to be in chargeof Gaza? Unfortunately, and I will
say it with full heart and andas the as the girl that believes in
two state solutions and peace among nationsand my most and my most optimistic self,

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I can't have this radical empathy andreach my hands to the one who's
going to slap me in through topoint a gun over me. I can't
come to peace to people that Iwas just a moment ago. They're moving
targets for me. It feels unsafeeven to make any sort of connection and
dialogue with Hamas is threats to ourlives. And when I say Palestinians,

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I'm in Hamas, I don't Ican't say Palestinians. All in all,
I know that this organization that nowrules over the Palestinians is just impossible to
talk to, and we've experienced itfor a long time. Now, Overrey,
I want to just I've got timefor one more question, and that

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is this you said. This isa very graphic film and it tells the
story using the body camage, footageof the terrorist and actual footage shot by
the people that were victimized. Whyis this important that people see this movie?
Well, I've experienced it from firsthand, and that's nothing worse than being

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there. But all we want tobring it to the name through the US
is to have view a little bit, a little fracture of what's going on
in Israel. You see around andnews so many footages and videos of the
Palestinians that it seems like they're tryingto sleep. Oh she just froze again.

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She's on zoom, you guys,she just froze again. In life
now is to bring this knowledge intoevery people around the States, and who
has the courage to come and confrontthis video as hard as it's going to
be, I believe that afterwards,gonna see me and we'll have a conversation

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and you'll hear a little bit andyou'll be a little more calm to understand
that there are humans. After all, it's not an action film, it's
not a horror film. It's peoplefighting over people. And to have this
entire process of seeing the film andthen talking to a nova survivors, it's
something else than just watching the filmfor me. Oh yeah, O Free

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Reiner is my guest. O Free, I do want you to I don't
know you said the date for theone in four Collins is the seventh,
but on the website to sell ticketsthey're saying the sixth. So maybe just
have your people doubled check that tomake sure those dates collide. O Frey,
I so appreciate you taking the timewith us today, and I'm so
grateful that you are taking a monthout of your life to travel around the

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United States just to make sure thisstory is not forgotten. Thank you very
much. That's O Free Reiner.Thank you so much, O Frey,
enjoy your time in Colorado. Iwill thank you. And that is O
Free Reiner, We'll be right back. Carol Massey and Joe Given they are
the team behind the Theater of Dreamsin Castle Rock. And you may not

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know that we have a hotbed ofmagic activity right here in the metro area.
But Carol was born in Ohio andimmediately became a star and Miss Ohio
finalists. Oh, turn their MIC'son there for me. She has worked
as a magician, as a cruisedirector and now the owner of the Theater

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of Dreams co owner, well coowner. And I was gonna say with
oh, Joe is a Colorado native, got a magic kid at four and
drove his parents crazy for the restof his life. I'm imagining. Oh
yeah, yeah, they were thrilledwhen I told him I wasn't going to
college. I bet, I bet. Now you have won. I didn't
know that there was awards for magic, Like, I had no idea that

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there are magic contests apparently. Ohyeah, they're all over the world and
there's a world Championship. It happensevery three years. It's like the Olympics.
I love the Olympics of Magic.Yes, that's what they call it
is the Federation of International Societies ofMagicians and you get judges from eleven different
countries, and people compete from allover the world, usually about two thousand

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competitors in every aspect of magic.How many people? How many magicians do
we have? Oh? My god, the world if you count the people
that do it as a hobby,yeah, a ton. I mean even
in Colorado there's three magic clubs andnow probably one hundred right there or more.
No, you must you blew offcollege to become a magician. You

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got two degrees to become a magician. I know whose parents were more disappointed.
Okay, how do you say toyour parents, I have two college
degrees. I want to be amagician on a cruise ship. Well,
I had the company car that wasfrom Chefbard the American Home Foods in the
driveway, and we got the callto say not Jelle. It was another
magician you can come on Carnival cruiselines for three months and my parents were

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in the living room and I walkedup to them. I said, well,
this is what just happened. Whatshed you do? And looked at
Dad, looked at mom. Theylooked at me. What do you want
to do? I said, I'ma young kid. I want to go
I don't want to sell anything withAmerican home foods. I want to go
on cruise shop. So that's whereit started. They allowed me, they
backed it, and then this wholecareer just happened in Snowballs and here him

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forty years later, still doing it. So when did Theater of Dreams start?
How did that all come together?Well, we used to be on
the road. We had our ownshow at the MGM Grant in Vegas for
a while. We've toured all overdoing casino showrooms, performing art centers in
kind of a large scale show wecalled The dream Masters, where we presented

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the magic as dreams and nightmares happeninglives. So it kind of took away
the aspect or the challenge aspect ofpeople going hmm, I got to try
and figure this out, which wouldbe me? Which would be I hate
magic because I can't figure it outand it drives me absolutely insane. Okay,
So that's a compliment to you,because honestly, magic is harder to

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amaze people with a lot of intellectand intelligence. We love the crowds that
are doctors, lawyers, engineers,those people because they have so many theories
in their mind and that's why theycan be amazed easier. And then you
get a child that saves at ourwizard camp, and they kind of go

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back to the simplicity and they're closerto how the effect works than another they
are. Yeah, you're so,of course they are. Basically, people
don't understand that magic is ninety ninepercent psychology, right, And so when
we understand how people's thought processes work, we can take advantage of that.
And so if you're a real intelligentperson and you've gone through a lot of

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experiences in your life, you makeassumptions where kids don't. And so if
you assume that you know a certainamount of things, we understand the way
you might be thinking, and wedo things to twist that I'm too smart
for my own good? Is thatthe excuse that you guys are giving me?
Right now, Okay, let meask you some questions, like basic

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questions about magic without giving too muchup. What is the most what is
the we'll call it the gateway drugtrick? Right? What was the trick
Joe that made you go, Wow, this is it for me, I'm
doing it, this is amazing.Well, when I was four or five
years old, I got a magickit for Christmas from my mom when I
was four and I did a trickfor my uncle, who I thought was

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way older than me. He wasprobably you know, college age, and
I freaked him out making a coinvanish into a glass of water. And
I was immediately hooked because I sawthe wonder in his eyes and I saw
him go WHOA wait a minute,what was that? And you know a
lot of people will get into magicbecause it's an ego thing and they want
to be able to do something nobodyelse can do it. The real magicians

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that are pros and stuff, theyget into it to give the gift of
wonder. There's no other art formthat can do what this does. You
can watch movies with special effects andgo wow, but that's you know,
cgi, But when you see stuffhappen right in front of your face,
you can't explain it. It givesyou a little bit of a rush that
nothing else can do. And youknow, if you break away from that,

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how did it work and just kindof go wow, it's cool that
magic is real. Even for thatbrief moment, there's nothing like it.
So I think most of us goI want to get give that to people.
I want them to have that experience. Well, you know, it's
a little like it's a little likeSanta Claus exactly. I'm a big believer
and proponent in Santa Claus because thisworld that we live in is so hard,

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yeah, and so challenging that snatchthat joy where you can, you
know, especially with little kids.So this is kind of the same thing.
It is. And you know,one of the things I love about
our theater and why you asked aboutthat, we were on the road for
a long time. Our manager passedaway sudden heart attacks, so all our
work went away and decided let's openour own place instead of being gypsies and

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feature all these world class people thatwe know and bring him to Castle Rock.
And that's what's been happening for twentyone years. But I get more
joy watching them give the audience thatexperience than I get giving it myself.
I just love seeing people as afacilitator. That's right, Yeah, we

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try. Somebody just said I wouldlove to know his thoughts on a Carbonaro
effect. Oh, I love hisShowburo. Michael Carbonaro had this idea to
not be presented as a magician.He would be, for example, just
a guy behind a counter at aseven eleven or something, and people would

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come in and he would do thingsto change himself, to change his look
and not even act like he's doingany magic where he's doing a lot of
magic and it's hilarious. I highlyrecommend you watch his show. He has
a show on Am I going tonot be able to figure out how to
do this stuff he does? Ohyou will? No? Yeah, he
has a whole team of magicians thatdesign the magic that he does. But

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these things are impossible things, andthey're brilliant. They're really creative. And
so somebody will come up and they'llbuy something and all of a sudden,
weird things happen with it and whatever, and they're like going, wait a
minute, you know, like amI in the Twilight Zone? Or what
pumps? What's going on here?Exactly? Yeah, so extraordinary. When
people start to get into magic,is there like a progression? Do you

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start with card trew? Do youstart with, you know, pulling a
rabbit out of a hat? Whatdo you do there? Like, what's
basic level magic? And then walkme through to what some of these David
copperfield level tricks would be. Well, for example, at our wizard Camp
that we do in the summertime andprivate lessons as well. We just start
them with everyday objects. Our classesall with every day objects so that they

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can do magic anywhere. So they'renot having these special gifts, right,
But it's more about presentation, likeyou can do the greatest thing in the
world, and if the presentation isn'tinteresting or funny or fits your personality,
then it's forgettable and kind of wastingyour time. And then you go all
the way up to these giant stageillusions where I guess with my career,

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I kind of started with the stagegrand illusion they call it, and that's
where you cut someone in half.I cut showing three pieces our eyes.
You look good, Joe, matchesare hidden. That's sexual, that's assault
there that you suffered there with theBut those are theatrical and very physical,

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right. I was going to askyou how much of this when when you
get started. I always think ofI have. I had a friend in
Orlando who was a card trick man. That was his thing. But the
things he could do with a deckof cards does not do justice to when
I say card trick man, it'sthat's not even close, no, is
it? Just building up your dexterityso you have the ability to move these

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cards exactly where you want them tobe in a subtle way that nobody else
can see. It's like you're learninghow to play a difficult instrument. Okay,
you know when you're referring to cards. Literally, there are more books
written about card magic than any othersubject in the world. What it's that,
how prolific and how much you cando with cards. Now, we

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try to avoid doing card tricks inour shows. Other magicians come in that
are great at it. There's anew piece we put in the show we're
doing Friday that is me doing kindof like a ballet dance to music.
We have live music that Gary Conderis playing while I do this piece,
and Carol's projecting it on a bigscreen, so it's just my hands and

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it's they're about fifteen visual magic moments. It's probably the hardest thing I've ever
done because the camera is just onyour hands. No, it's just very,
very, very technical, but wehave to make it look like it's
not, so it looks like it'smagic. But you know, there are
people that'll rely on the simple gimmicksthings and they use entertainment value to hopefully
compensate or take it up. Otherpeople get so fascinated with Texa cards,

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that's all they do, and they'llnever master it because there's always something harder
to do. And then there arepeople like me who eventually have their own
path and they want to create theirown magic. So everything you see that
we do is original. It's notseeing something that you've seen other magicians do.
And that's why I've designed magic forpeople like David Copperfield and David Blaine

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and so forth, because it's kindof an art, you know, it's
an art. It's also probably highlytechnical. I mean figuring out how an
illusion is going to work. Imean you're talking with David Copperfield level.
How much planning goes into one ofhis big you know, really big like
here's your special. We're going todo a whole TV special and you're going
to make this disappear. How muchplanning goes into that stuff. It takes

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a village. I would say,it does, really it does. And
there's so much more to this thanpeople understand. But yeah, I mean,
not only do you have to worryabout the method and how to make
it amazing, but also the choreography, the production, the music, the
lighting. Depending on the venue thatyou're working. If it's something on the
street, like David Blaine, youhave to worry about particular angles or where

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the camera is right, and whattypes of things. In addition to the
psychology that makes the magic magical insomebody's mind, it's a science. Now,
where do you, guys, Carol, get the acts? Where do
these people come from? Is therelike a magician's database? How do you
decide who gets to to theater ofdreams? Well, we have gotten to

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know so many magicians in our fieldthrough these conventions that they gather through television
vessels with They're our friends. They'vebecome, you know, very close friends,
and we are pretty particular about whowe put on our stage and that's
helped us stay open twenty one years. And it's just through friendship and phone
calls. And it's a pretty nichegroup. So did you get to that

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life? We kind of know everybodyright, you know't a full time proch
Yeah? Yeah? So how manyhow many full time pros do you think
there are in the United States rightnow? Oh? Well, goodness,
you know, I like to tellpeople anybody that we put on our stage.
They're they're famous in our business becausethey literally are, but they're not
household names. People can only nametwo or three. There are a lot
of really great magicians that even othermagicians don't know about because they're busy working

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for the real world, right right, And so like we just featured a
guy from Chicago named James sand Andlast week. Brilliant creative comedy magician,
but nobody knows who he is.But yet I'd put him in a very
very high level, you know,world class level. So you know,
it's hard to put a number onit. I would say, I don't

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know, two or three thousand maybeat the most. So how far back
does the history of magic and magiciansgo? Goodness? And if you think
about it, like there's there's folklorearound Merlin. You know, he's part
of King Arthur and the Knights ofthe Roundtable and he was a true magician.
So it has to have been sincethe beginning of time. Yeah,
long, long time. They sayit's the second oldest profession. And what's

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we all are literally depictions. There'sthe classic premise of a trick, the
cups and balls, where you havethree cups and balls. People think of
it as the three shell Games.Sometimes there are hieroglyphics on the inside of
Egyptian tombs with people performing the cups. That's fantastic. Who's going to be
there this weekend at the Theater ofDreams. I'm so glad you asked the

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music and Magic Zone, which isJoe and I and Gary Condor. The
three of us put together the show. Believe it or not, it was
born out of COVID were doing Zoodid come out? Yeah, it were
Zoom shows during COVID and the threeof us just got along and one day
I was at a drive through andI said, hey, let's try this

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live, and so we got together. And it's not just music in the
background of magic. It's all intertwined. It's really fun. We have Gary
the musician as well doing some magic, and Joe and I get to pull
our old music singing flute and trombones, piano out of the attic. So

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is it combined with magic in aunique way. Nobody's ever done a show
quite like this. This will beour seventeenth time doing it still live Friday,
seven o'clock twenty one and over.B Yob love that we want to
promote. Yeah, we want topromote that it's twenty one and over.
We because people have this perception thatour theater, Oh little Tommy would love
that, right, and it's notbirthday party balloon twisting stuff. A lot

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of these people are national TV performers, you know, award winning world champions.
Uh, you know it's it's thebest and and people just think when
they think magic, especially in Colorado, Oh you got to be a yeah,
you know, a good birthday party. Can I have a poodle out
of that balloon? That'd be great, bro. I want a link to
their website. Their website is Amazingshowsdot com. Guys, I will be

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back on June seventeenth. Follow meon Instagram at v Mandy Connell if you
want to go to Norway with me. I want to be posting an excessive
amount of photographs on Instagram because Ithink it's going to be a beautiful thing.
Guys, thank you so much forcoming in today. What a great
way to end the show on thisday. You go to the theater,
dreams I'll be back, don't doanything bad while I'm gone. And listening

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