06-07-24 FULL SHOW - Jimmy Sengenberger Fills in for Mandy

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If you want to join into theconversation, would welcome your text at five

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six six nine zero. Of course, we've got a rod behind the glass,
and you know he always just getsso excited when I'm here, Like
that's day two and you're you're excitedagain, aren't you. I'm very excited.
But we gotta before we address anythingthe meat potatoes of the fantastic show

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you put together. You can't notjust walk in here with that big case
the radio listeners can't see and notlet me a man of the people.
For the listeners say, what thehell is in that thing? A Rod
is a man of the people,truly. This is my case of fourteen
different harmonicas. Fourteen different harmonicas,yes, fourteen harmonicas? Are you do

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you play? You play? No? I just collect harmonicas and randomly bring
him to the radio studio every timeI feel it as the show. Maybe
you're just a man, a multitaskingman. You have a Facebook marketplace meeting
here at the station. Afterwards yougotta sell some stuf. Who knows it's
plausible. It's a very plausible scenario. I have heard rumblings through our very
own text line, and it's veryput onto the fact that the one and

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only Jim and Sangenberger is a musicalman and might know how to play these
very harmonical Yes, but aren't youwondering why in the world do I have
so many harmonica as they run,I am wondering because you ask me.
I did ask before the show.I did ask, and it's kind of
common sense. Now I feel likean idiot. Answer is easy. Each
of them is a different musical key. Okay, So if a song is
in the key of A, Ihave to have the right harmonica to play

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in that key. Although you canchange keys into the harmonica, the my
harmonica has to kind of set youup for success. So the most part,
there are a few different styles whereyou can turn one harmonica into like
a few different keys if you knowhow to play that way. The style
that I play is called second positioncross harp. What that basically means is
for anybody who's musical out there,who's familiar with this thing called the circle

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of fifths, is that the harmonicathat I play is different from the key
that I'm actually playing. So ifI'm in the key of let's say A,
I'm using my d harmonica because Ais the fifth of D confusing to
people who don't know music, butif you know music, it'll make sense.
My man of the People Alert isgoing off again to ask you this

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very question. What are the chancesare we can get you to play one
of these during the show today?You know, a little later in the
program we might be able to havea little bit of fun air. I
mean, oh, that's all youget for now. That's all you get
for now, Arod. Oh that'snice. But coming up later, yeah,
I mean it's Friday after all.In fact, I've got a tremendous

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internationally touring blues guitarist coming on inthe last segment of the show at the
bottom of this two o'clock hour.His name is Tommy Castro. He'll get
the Blues from the Top festival that'shappening in winter Park the end of this
month, and he just got backfrom Brazil where he was playing in a
couple of festivals. You know.The only place I have been out of
the country a rod is Taiwan.I talked to that a little bit yesterday

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in that I was part of aninternational press tour. Otherwise I haven't been
literally any other country now, toMexico, not to Canada. I haven't
been to Hawaii or Alaska. I'membarrassed to admit it, but it's true.
Where have you been that's outside ofthe continental US? Well, in
the US, the only state Ihaven't been to is Alaska. Now,

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I was a pilot, airtraff controllerfloral of the country and a sports yaters
sessmen I was a kid. Mexico'sthe only country I've been to outside the
US. Okay, well my family'smy wife's family is from there, and
so we got married in Mexico.So Mexico's the only one. I want
to go further out, just haven'tgot a chance. I love when people
here, oh, what's the onecountry you've been to, And I say
Taiwan and they say, wait,what not Mexico, not Canada, way

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out to Taiwan. Yeah, it'strue, and it's a beautiful country,
by the way, I know.We talked with Director General Bill Huang yesterday,
who heads up the Taype Economic andCultural Office that represents Taiwan in Denver
and in the region that includes afew other states. You listen to interview
right now mandy'sblog dot com it's availableon the podcast. Thank you for the
reminder. Mandy'sblog dot com. Checkout the podcast. It was a great

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conversation. It's a beautiful country withprofoundly significant national security and economic implications for
the United States. But yeah,it's the one place that I have been
to outside of the continental US.I want to get traveling around a little
bit more, but we'll see whereand what. I will certainly welcome five

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to sixty six nine zero. Anyrecommendations on countries to visit, obviously outside
of the United States, Where shouldI go? I'll stop you right there
in Mexico. Yes, it's thenicest people. It's actually a lot of
I'll be fair, typically Mexico,parts of Mexico, especially around the border,
kind of get a bad wrap,which at parts during the border is

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fair. Deeper into the heart ofMexico Downleigh Me like where we got married
for Devarta, kind of in thatgeneral region, there's a lot of beautiful
parts of Mexico. And again Icannot reiterate enough, especially based on the
horror stories that were from other people, Mexico has the nicest people on planet
Earth. Wow, very very verypleasant and welcoming. It's so nice.

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Good to know. So there yougo. I have always wanted to go
to Mexico, I must confess,so at some point figure trip. I
sure will. At some point,I sure will. We've got lots going
on today, and I want todive right in to something that really grinds
my gears because for years I ranan educational nonprofit that helped teach fifth graders

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the US Constitution and American Government,called the Liberty Day Institute. We folded
amid COVID, but for seven yearsprior to that, I led this nonprofit
which had, in its twenty fouryear history, distributed millions of copies of
the US Constitution and Declaration of Independencein Colorado and other states around the country,

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predominantly in schools and predominantly in publicschools. In fact, yours truly
spoke to dozens of fifth grade classespersonally about the Constitution. Some of them
were by myself, some of themwere with my partner in crime, if
you will, Jefferson Quincy Washington,the Third Esquire, who was a character
that my friend Jimmy Viles and Icreated. It was a lot of fun,

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but one thing that I learned isthat you can teach the foundations of
government to just about anybody at anyage and make it engaging to them.
You want to teach them about thethree branches of government. You want to
talk to them about how a billbecomes a law, or the importance of
individual rights. You can do thatin an engaging, fun way, whether

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you're talking about high school or collegekids, or on down to the elementary
school level. And yet this ideaof trying to engage an interest and excite
the high school youth of our timeis now being you to justify in Jefferson
County Schools a brand new approach togovernment education, to civic education, one

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that is commonly called action civics orprotest civics. This prioritizes political activism over
foundational knowledge, encouraging students to engagein advocacy and protests without ensuring that they
fully grasp the role, complexities,and limits of government. Now, Jeffco

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Schools is Colorado's second largest district afterDenver, and they are embracing action civics,
really changing dramatically fundamentally how high schoolgovernment is taught and diving into politically
charged curriculum, potentially at a verypolarized time This is what they said in

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a resource updates document for the upcomingtwenty twenty twenty five school year. Quote
this course, again, high schoolGovernment Civics is shifting from a US government
course to a civics course with amuch stronger focus placed on civic engagement and

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civic action components as opposed to structureand function of government. Now, I
don't know about you, but it'skind of hard to proceed to make change
in some sort of system whenever thatsystem is without understanding truly how it was

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designed and what the intentions were behindthat design. In other words, if
you don't have knowledge and understanding ofthe Constitution and the basics of the constitution,
how our government is set up throughbranches, how a bill becomes a
law, federalism, all of thosethings, and really understand them, then

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how can you go to the nextlevel and say, well, legislators,
I want you to make this change. Congress, we need to pass this
bill. Please do it, showup at a protest and understand what can
actually be changed and what can't bechanged as part of the new curriculum.
And they have two options in thiscurriculum that's still being finalized in Jeffco Schools,

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students will undertake projects like writing toelected officials, proposing constitutional amendments,
and participating in community initiatives, andthere are many others. In fact,
one of these curriculums highlights the quotemechanisms through which they can wield their power
within our political system, which franklyis a politically progressive view of civic engagement.

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Wielding their power within our political system. Okay, I get it,
hands on activities, real world applications, they engaging, but why should they
replace the foundational knowledge rather than supplementit. Provide examples to say, we're

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learning about the executive branch, we'relearning about the legislative branch, we're learning
about the judicial branch, whatever itis, and here are your examples,
or let's explore this issue in tandemwith that. That's fine, and that
makes sense. But without a solidunderstanding of the fundamentals of constitutional government and

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the role of the government, howcan students make real change in the first
place. There's a quote that I'vealways loved by the shall we say,
patron founding father of Liberty Day Institute. Liberty Day as March sixteenth, James
Madison's birthday in seventeen fifty one.He's, of course, the fourth President

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of the United States, and he'sknown as the father of the Constitution.
And he said the following quote,Knowledge will for ever govern ignorance, and
to people who mean to be theirown governors must arm themselves with the power
which knowledge gives to me. Thathas always been such a powerful quote.

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And as I write today in theDenver Gazette, where I'm a twice weekly
investigative columnist, my column today Denvergazettedot com entitled Jeffco's schools take a wrong
turn on civics By failing to learnand adequately understand the foundations of how our
government really works. Student activists maybelieve sweeping changes can and should happen now,

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right now, without truly understanding thechallenges. Now. This is a
brand of civics education, action,civics, protests, civics that is expanding
across the country. But here's thething that I find striking is when the

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opposite is pursued. Like in WoodlandPark, small mountain community nestled on Pike's
Peaks north slope, they implemented somethinglast year called American Birthright Standards. The
pioneering district, first one in thecountry to do this, which was a
is a traditional social studies curriculum seekingto ground students and the fundamentals of government

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and the constitution, explicitly rejecting actioncivics and protest civics. And when Woodland
Park school Board put this in place, all hell broke clues. It was
as though they were trying to silencethe kids, prevent them from engaging in
activities involving government, to stifle theirdesire for civic engagement, except just none

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of the nothing of the sort.It is a traditional approach when it comes
to government. Let's actually give youthe foundational understanding and then foster critical thinking
from right there. And the elementsthe different components that they have in this

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curriculum in jeff coastchools is also troubling, for example, just as one instance,
highlighting civil disobedience by Native Americans inwhich they emphasize the nineteen month occupation
of Alcatraz that happened by Pan Indianactivists from nineteen sixty nine to nineteen seventy

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one. Keith Nobles is a CherokeeNation citizen and an author, and he
made this point that I quoted mycolumn, Native Americans have been around for
at least eighteen thousand years, witha rich history of countless accomplishments, not
the least of which is our continuedsurvival is in individual nations. Unfortunately,

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this JEFCO curriculum highlights a single proteston Alcatraz which only a small fraction of
American Indians supported, And this exampleof pan Indians fits a narrow narrative that
wrongly aligns with how progressive politics aspecific political view, let's be clear,

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wants to define Indians, he continues, not the diverse, rich history that
Indians themselves would choose to be definedwith. What in the world is going
on here? It is unfortunate,to put it mildly, and it is
very concerning to see a school district'ssecond largest in the state explicitly say we

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are focusing on civic engagement and civicaction as opposed to structure and function of
government. I checked education was aboutteaching the fundamentals, teaching what you need
to know, teaching how systems work, teaching how our society is supposed to

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function, and then you can buildup from there and get them engaged.
Unfortunately, it's a political agenda herein the schools. We know this.
This shows up time and time again. But in this particular instance, the
embrace of protests, civics, action, civics, whatever you prefer to call

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it, is happening among school districtsinfluenced by a progressive ideology. And it's
the start. Contrast to say WoodlandPark, where they have American Birthright and
they get lambasket, including by nationalNBC News, and they have all the

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teachers' unions around the state sort ofrallying behind Woodland Park. They were able
to secure barely one school board memberthough last year, whereas two others were
able to remain on the school board. There by the way, not so
much opposition in the community from thosean American birthright to American birthright. But

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when we look at Jeffco schools,this is a path that really marks a
wrong turn on civic education. Givethem the basics so they know the knowledge,
they have the knowledge and understanding neededto govern ignorance. I'm you be
saying in Burger Filly in four,Mandy Connell, We're going to take a

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break on the other side. MichaelBaron's senior political analyst at The Washington Examiner.
We'll check in with us as wecontinue on KOA on this yes,
indeed Friday, and it is anotherhot one, I think, with the
highs like ninety four today, Sowe're boiling up a little bit here in
the Denver metro air and very pleasedto be joined by someone who has always

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been a favorite guest of mine,going back many many years. He is
the senior political analyst at The WashingtonExaminer. I call him the one man
Political Almanac because he did write abook, co author book famous American Political
Almanac. Michael Barone joins me.Now, good afternoon, sir. How
are you well. I'm very I'mdoing very well, and I'm happy to

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be with you on what looks tobe a bracingly warm day on the front
rage. Yes it does. Itis already there, I could tell you
that much. So I wanted tohave you on for a check in where
things are at right now in termsof the political space nationally, especially in

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the wake of the Trump verdict lastweek, where he was found guilty on
thirty four accounts in a widely panneddecision by a verdict. But a verdict,
I don't think we can blame themthe jury for so much as the
system that led the jury to thatconclusion, that is to say, the
judge and the proceedings. But beforewe get into the political implications specifically,

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you had a piece called using asham case to undermine democracy. Talk to
us about your thoughts on the trial. Well, I think that you know,
you check out the commentary and everything. One of the things that the
questions you have is who's crossing preadylives of the commentary, Who is saying

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that that don't go along with theinterest of the particular sides of our polarized
that political system that you're on.And the answer is that you know the
critics. You've got, you knowthe sham cases from the one time left
wing author reported that IV you've gota former colleague of the New York County

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District Attorney said the case was awelcome He's unjustified enough. He's got Mitt
Romney, who has said no affectionfor an actual voting to impeach and remove
Donald Trump and a new result apolitybe president, says that it's a ridiculous
case. The New York Times ismarine Dowd said that she enjoyed the result,

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but she said the case was astretch. You don't see much in
the way of people on the otherside, uh, people of conservative Republican
side saying this was a justified verdict, and every picture to have a very
candidate in Norland from governor where heHolgan saying the out respect the jury resulting,

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but he doesn't talk about the specifics. So yeah, I think that
it's basically a kind of sham result. It's you know, it's associated I
think in voter's minds extent they knowabout it with Donald Trump's personal misconduct.
But if we know one thing fromthe events of the last twenty five years

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and our partisanized, polarized politics whereBill Colton was accused of buying under right
for Republicans primarily a few Democrats votedto impeach and him from office, the
you know, the prevailing thought thatworked with the public was what the position

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was Democrats took, which is thisis about personal conduct, not about professional
matters and so forth. But suchinitial polling as we've seen indicates very little
movement, any movement within the marginof error, maybe it's moving a point
or so, took any Biden's direction, So we don't really know. Yeah,

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it's in my Washing Examiner colleague byNew York, so we ought to
be waiting a few weeks to seehow the polls were out. I think
that's right. You know. What'sinteresting to me is how fired up a
lot of people who are not they'regoing to vote for Trump, but they
weren't enthusiastic, and they are nowa little more enthusiastic as a result of
this. Michael Baron, our guestsenior political analyst at The Washington Examiner his

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column this week, using a shamcase to undermine democracy. I want to
play two quick clips and get yourreaction as we assess where things are at
in this political moment. Michael.One is from Mitch Landrew, who is
the co campaign manager for Joe Biden. He said this, these polls will

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ebb, they'll flow, but atthe end of the day, it's going
to be very close just to whatlike it was last not every vote,
council. We're going to fight forevery one of them and likewise, real
clear politics. Carl Cannon had thisto say about if it is tied,
what it means for the victory CaliforniaNew York. These two states states a
lot of electoral votes, but there'sgoing to be a you know, five

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four or five million vote cushion forJoe Biden and in the rest of the
states Biden. You know, Trumpmay not make that up that he doesn't
have to. And if you andif you have if the Democrats can't,
if their candidate can't get more votesthan Trump nationally, or if it's close
to the popular vote, but it'sgoing to lose, what do you make
of that, Michael Barone, Thosetwo cuts you at least in terms of

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how the all the votes stacked upin the in the twenty sixteen and twenty
twenty election, and they tended theway that they fall into various states,
with the Democrats announcing age merchants inCalifornia and New York and so forth.
Well, it is possible, youknow, Trump won back forty four thousand

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votes in three states in twenty sixteen, lost boys more twenty seven thousand lost
by forty four thousand. The keystates are closer than national average. That
may not be true this time.It's possible that Trump is piling up some
CECI large majorities in oral Texas andother places and making some games as Poland

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suggested among blacks and Hispanics learning tocome down college people in states like New
York and California that could cut theDemocratic margins there. That's certainly Carl Canon's
right about the previous elections from MitchLander's comment, which you know, intelligence
take what's not something you say ifyou think you're winning, right exactly?

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I mean, isn't that striking whenyou have a Biden campaign saying this could
actually be very close? So I'vegot a minute left, Michael. What
should folks be looking at and payingattention to at this stage of the game
where we are still several months outfrom the election and ballots dropping. Well,
I think we should pay attention tothe president seems to be bearing up

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and you know, his age kickingin a way that is negative for him.
We have this story of the AllStreet Journal yesterday, I think,
where a lot of people that weredealing with the president said, Gie really
a lot of the cases, notall. He seems to really be missing
what's going on. We're going tohave a debate apparently June twenty seventh.

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We'll see how he fears. Isthat I think one of the problems.
But I think it's possible that Bidenwould use by a significant amount. It's
not baked in the cake, butif he's seen is simply incapable of doing
the job. And I think thatyou could see result that might look or
like Jimmy Carter's defeated nineteen eighty,like Donald Trump's victory in twenty sixteen,

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or is defeated twenty twenty. Thatwould really put icing on the cake for
those people who really just so muchabout him being Biden being Jimmy Carter two
point zero. Then he loses JimmyCarter. Who knows. We will see
what happens. Michael Barone is seniorpolitical analyst at The Washington Examiner online at
Washington Examiner dot com. Sir,always great to check in with you.

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Thanks so much for taking some timeto join us here on KOA today.
Okay, thanks, thanks very muchhim, and that's good to be with
they care. Always good to talkwith you, my friend, once again,
Michael baron joining us. What doyou make of it? Do you
think that Mitch Landrew, co chairof the Biden campaign, saying, Hey,
this thing might be close, Itmight be pretty close. Do you

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think that says much positively? Aboutwhere their campaign views things is headed and
what does that mean for Trump?Text it five six six nine zero five
sixty six nine zero is the number. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger in for Mandy Connell
here on KOA. His favorite songis long Cool Woman in a Black Dress,
So I have to play that alittle bit. But Happy birthday,

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Grandpa. Now this is important becausewhen I was twelve years old, we
were visiting back east and my grandpaand a car ride sort of reintroduced me
to the great late Rush Limbaugh,who inspired me to listen avidly to talk
radio and eventually get into it formany years as a host. And so

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when I returned from Albany back home, the station that carried Rush and tape
delay from twelve to three was KOA. And here we are now on KOA
twelve to three years, truly hostingin this slot, filling in for Mandy
Connell. Jimmy Singenberger. That isGrandpa Walt. Happy happy birthday, Hey

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Ron, Thank you brother for pluggingthat in. I appreciate it. And
you're here. You're you're looking atme. You're glaring at me, saying
Jimmy, why in the world areyou not playing. You were telling me
you wanted me to play harmonic,like we were teasing. I got fourteen
harps right here in the case.They're different keys, and I got my

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E flat harp, which means I'mgoing to play in the key of B
flat and here we go. Dangman, what did you think is that

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I do? All right? That'sspectacular, my friend. Thank you.
I was insane. You know,I have my own blues band. We're
getting ready to gig again because wegot a new guitarist, so we're getting
situated there. The Jimmy Junior BluesBand Jimmy Junior Music dot Com is where
we'll be posting things Jimmy Junior BluesBand on Facebook. And I just love
it. You gotta love an instrumentthat is small enough to carry you in

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your pocket, but plentiful enough tohave to get a case of fourteen five
six six nine. Is there arethe common Spirit health text line text Jimmy,
tell them how awesome that was?Thank you, brother, I appreciate.
I'm glad. See I told youyou would enjoy it. You ye
have little fit. No, youdidn't tell me you you were like I
could tell if he actually is seriousenough to have a case of many he

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can play and it is just ablast. It is such a fun instrument.
What did you think five? Sixto six nine zero text in would
love you to do that. We'vegot a lot coming up as we still
have two more hours yet to go, including Danielle di Martino booth. We've
got some interesting jobs data that hascome in today and we'll be getting into

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that some of the jobs numbers andmore. Have you heard of the words
of roaring kitty before? It soundslike a weird combination, and yet roaring
kitty are two words that today tookthe financial world by storm. Why roaring
kitty? What the heck is roaringkitty? We will dive into that with

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Danielle di Martino, both a tremendousguest to help us break down and understand
economics as we continue. I'm JimmySangenberger filling in for Mandy Connell right here
on KOA, Friday, June seventh, and today we have fresh job numbers
coming out from the federal government.This according to the Wall Street Journal,

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US job growth first past expectations.Sounds all rosy, doesn't it. Last
month, while the unemployment rate edgedup to four percent, presenting a mixed
view of a labor market that hasgenerally been cooling without overly troubling most workers.
Total nonfarm US jobs increased they seasonallyadjusted two hundred and seventy two thousand

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jobs in May, according to theLabor Department on Friday, more than in
April and well above the one hundredand ninety thousand that economists had expected.
And also average hourly earnings topping forecast, rising four point one percent from a
year earlier. But how good arethese numbers? What's really going on in

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the economy underneath the hood? Andwhat the heck is roaring Kitty? And
what's going on? Why are peoplein the financial word just talking about roaring
Kitty. Let's talk about it withDanielle di Martino Booth. She is CEO
and chief strategist for QI Research andthe author of fed Up, an insider's
take on why the Federal Reserve isbad for America, having been down at

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the Dallas Federal Reserve working with thePresident there for five years in the past.
In Yeah, good to talk withyou. Welcome to KOA great to
be here this afternoon on this great, big jobs Friday that's being counted on
the White House lawn. Of course, it is very much touted. The
enthusiasm is is it real? Isit really enthusiastic these this report Danielle,

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Oh, it's not enthusiastic if you'reone of the people who whose job that's
been created is going to get revisedaway upon further you know, examination of
the survey data. So no,no, this is this is not good
news. I mean it is goodnews if you really are one of the
full time jobs. Oh wait,sorry, we didn't have any full time

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jobs created. Wait. In fact, we had full time job destruction this
last month, and in fact,over the past six months, we've had
one point five million full time jobsdisappear in the United States and nearly a
million part time jobs create. Thatsays to me, I'm having a hard
time paying my rent. Yeah.When we see the data, I think

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it's showing six hundred thousand jobs declinedjust now, just in this last month.
When it comes to full time numbersand part time up two hundred thousand,
that's stunning and really seems to hidethe ball for what's going on.
When you see, oh, twohundred and seventy two thousand jobs created,
and then you look in the vastmajority of that for the period is well,

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really all of it is part timejobs. Yeah, and that is
a big way of saying, mypaycheck is shrinking. And that's why record
numbers of Americans right now are workinga full time job and a part time
job, working two jobs just tomake ends meet. You know, the

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whole narrative that this economy is strongis really it's a red herring. It's
a totally false narrative. And thethe thing is a lot of Americans right
now understand that they're being lied to, and they're not happy about it,
Danielle. When we look at theeconomic chatter, so much of it has

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been about how the economists expected wewould be in recession. But we haven't
been in recession. Things are muchrosier than they were anticipated to be.
When you hear that narrative and youlook at the data from your expert viewpoint,
what do you actually see. Isthat narrative fitting the reality economically?

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No, not at all. It'snot. And we still you know,
since the pandemic hit, even thougheven though the rate of change of price
increases has come down a lot,it's around two and a quarter percent.
If you look at real time data. That doesn't matter so much to working

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Americans because since the pandemic hit,they've lost twenty five percent of the just
in power of the dollar. Andthat is that is really greating on people.
And you know, I've had totake a page out of my teenage
teenager's vernacular book and I asked themrecently, I'm like, what is all

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this gas lighting talk? And they'relike, Mom, gaslighting, that's what
you know, that's what they're sayingabout the economy. We listen to you
enough to know that Americans don't likebeing gas lit. Sorry, that's very
true. Now we have folks acrossthe country wondering about the Federal Reserve at
this time given the economic data.You spent a number of years as a

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senior advisor to President Richard W.Fisher at the Dallas Federal Reserve. Your
author of the book Fed Up,an Insider's take on why the Federal Reserve
is bad for America. What doesthe Fed do in this environment? Is
a lot of folks are looking andsaying, Okay, we want you to
cut interest rates. Well, Ithink people are looking for any form of
relief that they can find. Youknow, the said has had It's been

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eleven months since they last raised theinterest rates, but boy have they kept
them there for a long time.The last time they waited this long was
leading into what we now call theGreat Recession. It started in two thousand
and seven December two thousand and sevenand didn't end until June of two thousand
and nine. Things things start tobreak when when thutterer'serve policy is too tight

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for too long, the same waythat you get too much speculation when the
sets you know, keeps policy toolow for too long. So when we
look at the question of a recession, what are your takeaways here given the
data, Given what we're seeing withthe jobs numbers, we've lost all these
full time jobs at the same timeas you've seen part time jobs increase.

(35:50):
We're seeing some of these underlying challenges. Are we headed towards recession? What
do you think? Well, youknow, so this is a big week
for Danielle Dee Martinezboos. Follow meon Twitter at DeMartino Boos because Bloomberg Economics
started the week out by saying theyagreed with me after looking at revisions that
the recession will probably be backdated toOctober twenty twenty three. And what the

(36:16):
statisticians in Washington quietly tell us longafter the fact is, oh, the
six hundred and forty thousand jobs thatwe thought were created in the third quarter
of twenty twenty three, once wefinished with all those revisions, it was
actually a net job loss of onehundred and ninety two thousand. Wow,

(36:37):
it's a minor level eight hundred thousandswing into negativity. And the sweet Bloomberg
economics came out and they said,you know, we think that recession probably
started in October twenty twenty three.In other words, we're in recession.
We should stop talking about whether ornot or when we're going to enter recession.

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When it looks like the body thatdated the recession that started in December
two thousand and seven, three onehundred and sixty six days ads through the
fact, it's said, oh,yeah, recession started in the December two
thousand and seven. That's typically howit works. They look back to the
griview mirror and they said, oh, this is when recessions started past since,
yeah, I think we're in recessionright now and we have been for

(37:21):
months, and I don't think that'sgoing to come as a surprise to a
lot of Americans. No, especiallyif they've been following or listening to our
guest Danielle di Martino Booth. Backdatethe recession to October of twenty twenty three.
Let's talk about the political implications ofthis. Here's from I think this
was from Fox News talking about whatpolling data is showing about Trump versus Biden
the economy when asked which candidate isbetter to handle the economy. Look here,

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Trump is up twenty one points inthe third line the Marquette poll.
Biden's only pulling at twenty nine percent, and he's up double digits in these
three other major polls. Voters donot give Biden much credit for the positives
on the economy. Like Loweann employI meant company, It's by fourteen points
on both the economy and on inflatand inflation. What do you make of

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that's your takeaway? Well, look, we have to be realistic. Inflation
is a process. Okay, Thefirst two stimulus checks that were sent had
we're signed by Donald Trump. Atthe end of the day, it took
that third stimulus check of fourteen hundreddollars right after Biden got into office to

(38:27):
really get inflation going up to thedouble digits. But again it was a
process. Inflation was started when theCares Act was passed in March of twenty
twenty. It just really got waringwhen when President Biden poured that third stimulus
check with you know, for thatlast bit of fuel on the fire.
That being said, Biden has notstopped spending money, so we keep increasing

(38:52):
the deficit, and it's creating somejobs, I'll say that much, especially
union jobs, which is kind ofoverpaid, bureaucratic type of bad fiscal spending.
And he's not been focused on helpingthe private sector create the right.

(39:14):
Instead, he's been focused on thegovernment creating jobs. Who cares. I
mean, that's not what America isall about. We're getting close to the
fourth of July. This is notwhat our founding fathers envisions. And that's
exactly the case here in Colorado,which is supposed to have a robust,
robust economy when it comes to thetechnology space in particular, and we have
seen government jobs dramatically outpacing any sortof private sector jobs being created. I

(39:39):
want to ask you about one morething. You said the word roaring.
Just a moment ago, Roaring Kitty, there was this live stream. I'm
like, I'm hearing these words roaringKitty, and I keep seeing it on
all the financial sites and everything.What is going on with Roaring Kitty.
Well, look, people in thiscountry are desperate for a hero. Even

(40:01):
if it's a hero who tells youthat a money losing operation is a good
investment, it doesn't matter. Theywant somebody who is like power to the
people, power to the little people. For deep that he's lost people so
much money over the years, itdoesn't matter. People want a hero,
even if it's some guy in aquirky bandana who's Hello Kitty, whatever his

(40:23):
name is. They want a hero, and they think that they've got one
in him. And it's as simpleas that. This is the what's his
name? The meme, the memeStock, the guy who's saying gamestock is
going to the moon. Yeah,Gamestock happened to be a company. That
space where I am here in theDSW Dallas Fort Worth area is losing money,

(40:46):
millions and millions of dollars. Andyou know, at last check,
not everybody's spending seventy five dollars onthe latest hot video game that's coming out
and streaming is taken over BHLA.But whatever. I'm not going to get
into talking about the profitability of thegaming industry. But I think he is

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a reflection of the want, theneed to take a flyer, to speculate,
to take risks and hope that youcan win. To white people buy
lottery tickets. It just happens tobe somebody named Roaring Kitty person. That's
just fascinating it. Go go figureit. Fascinating psychological moment in US history.

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We're witnessing history absolutely, Danielle deMartino Booth, I know we have
to let you go, of course, CEO Chief Strategistic QI Research. Thanks
so much, and we'll be watchingfor when the official call is made that
the recession has been in action formonths now. We'll be looking for that.
Thank you for having me today.Thank you so much, really appreciate

(41:50):
it. Again. You could followDanielle at d Martino Booth on X at
De Martino Booth listener text coming invia the X line koa Common Spirit Health
at text line at five six sixnine zero. Please introduce your guests to
small business owners who can't find employees. If things were as dark as she

(42:12):
asserts, we'd have unemployment on therise. Cost of living is definitely a
problem, But I don't believe thatthe executive branch has much sway over this.
They'll all claim credit when the newsis good and distance themselves from the
bad news. Well, of coursethat will happen as far as the executive
branch. I think that comes fromthe policies that Biden's able to get through

(42:36):
Congress and sign into law, orthe executive orders that he passes. There
are some aspects of the executive branch, but regardless of whether Biden actually has
a tremendous influence on the economy directlyhimself, the fact of the matter is
that the American people clearly view itas though this is the Biden economy.

(42:58):
And remember, this is the guywho last year tried to convince so so
that bidenmics was so good coining thatphrase, you know, Reaganomics. Reaganomics
was not something Ronald Reagan came outand said, Hey, everybody, I'm
gonna introduce you to Reaganomics. Norwas it just a marketing buzzword. We

(43:22):
think of Reaganomics because the economy proveditself to improve under Reagan's low tax policies,
low regulation policies. Reaganomics became athing born out of action, not
marketing. Biden no longer talks aboutBidenomics because that means he takes ownership of

(43:50):
anything that happens in the economy.And again, let's hear it regarding the
polls on the economy. When askedwhich candidate is better to handle the economy,
look here, Trump is up twentyone points in the third line the
Marquette poll. Biden's only pulling attwenty nine percent, and he's up double
digits in these three other major polls. Voters do not give Biden much credit

(44:12):
for the positives on the economy likerow unemployment. Trump leaves by fourteen points
on both the economy and on inflation. Inflation. Yeah, okay, So
you can dispute how much influence theexecutive branch has over the economy, and
you might be right in that point, but the fact remains, no matter

(44:35):
what regardless, that Biden owns thiseconomy and there's nothing that he can do
to get away from that. Moreover, let's look at the data. While
you can find anecdotal instances of smallbusiness owners or are trying to find employees.
The fact is that jobs are notbeing created, certainly not full time

(44:58):
jobs that came in at the topof the last hour say nice music interlude,
thank you. Fi Cudlow reported thatfull time jobs went down six hundred
thousand, part time went up twohundred thousand. CNN just bragged on the
gross total with no information on thetype of job. Yes, of course

(45:20):
they're not going to provide the typeof job to delineate between the two.
But what Danielle di Martino Booth pointedout the last six months, what was
it one point six million full timejobs reduced and one million part time jobs
increased? Shawn texting in via theKOA Common Spirit Health text line five sixty

(45:45):
sixty nine zero. They won't calla recession until after Trump's gets elected,
so the Democrats can bash Trump withit. Well, here's the thing,
maybe that will happen. It's possible. Bloomberg, according to de Martino Booth
is already talking about it. Andnot only that, there's a certain point

(46:07):
at which a recession has to becalled, and I don't know that they
can just push it off from apolitical standpoint and not at some point this
year to create and say, look, here's the recession and it's being backdated
to October of twenty twenty three orwherever it is. I don't know that

(46:29):
they can just push that off.I kind of doubt that they can simply
push that off. But you neverknow. I can see the logic,
Shawn, behind your thinking there.The media is not going to want so
many in the media are not goingto want to share something that makes Biden

(46:49):
look bad on economics, which isexactly why, exactly why the media CNN
trying their best to hide the underlyingbreakdown of full time versus part time jobs
created. You can look at thetop line, oh, seasonally, justin

(47:12):
two hundred and seven, two thousandcreated better than expected, more than April.
Just wait, though, it'll berevised down and you don't see even
the Wall Street Journal news article doesn'tmention full versus part time. But that
is a reminder as to where manyin the media are coming from in that

(47:34):
regard what they want to skew,how they want to present it, so
on and so forth, which isof course why we need to have the
all knowing, all powerful government stepin and help delineate between what is true
factual information and what is miss ordisinformation. On the other side, after

(47:58):
the break, we will dive intoa bill just signed by Governor Polis I
believe yesterday that seems like it's turningthe Attorney General's Office into a ministry of
truth, judging what is accurate whatis mis or disinformation, because that,
of course is the role of governmentto determine what is true. Because government

(48:23):
always tells us the truth, don'tthey. We can always trust the government
and what they say, especially whenit comes I don't know, things like
COVID or the economy and the economicdata that gets highlighted and what have you.
Always trust the government. We'll diveinto that. On the other side,

(48:45):
I'm Jimmy Sangenberger filling in for MandyConnell keep it right here on KOA

(49:07):
and sing, well, that's interesting, trying to play along with myself from

(49:32):
what like forty minutes ago or somethingthat was awesome literally people for those that
are not fully understanding what just happened. That was from an hour ago where
jimmy first time debut had played harmoniconAir. Decided to pull one out as
I surprised him with bumping back withthat very hour ago and just went along
with himself with another was that anotherkey? No, it has to be

(49:54):
the same key, okay, butsano same key going along with yourself?
Was that? Like, oh mygod? That was that was pretty wild?
You could not I mean, okay, listeners disbelieving that I was playing
Jimmy. You played that live,that was not recorded, dog proof.

(50:15):
And then another listener text, okay, come clean, John Popper is in
studio with you, right, youknow, I wish for crying out loud.
I would love to learn from theheart player, the harmonica player for
Blues Traveler anytime. I'd love tosit down with him on the show.
That would be Oh he is.He is phenomenal. I appreciate it.

(50:35):
I'm no John Popper, but Iam grateful for the comparison. And yeah,
we got some good listener text.But the real proof is on social
media at Koa, Colorado, onx formerly Twitter, and on the Instagram
page. I mean, you've you'vebeen spreading it around the video that a

(50:57):
Rod took of yours truly playing inthe last Yes, if you need proof,
if you don't believe right now,ik we call her out on all
of our social pages. You willthoroughly enjoy viewing it just as much as
listening to it, you know,on the fifty thousand blow torch. Just
real quick, another key, justthe riff off of there's this old song
called if you want to get tohave Him? My band, the Jimmy
Junior Blues Band, plays it bythe Ozark Mountain Daredevils inaudible. That's just

(51:30):
fund You gotta throw it in justa little bit here and there. And
in the next hour. Bottom ofthe next hour, a bluesman extraor at
in air, fresh back into theStates from Brazil. Tommy Castro will be
calling into the show. He's agreat guy. And what's it like traveling
internationally touring at festivals and he'll bedoing a festival here in Colorado at Winter

(51:55):
Park at the Blues from the TopFestival. Oh, I'm sorry, the
studio caught on fire with how lit? That was good? Well, I
appreciate text coming in. I waswondering how it sounded like there was two
harmonicas at once. That was great. Glad, you're a joy. It's
Friday. You gotta cut loose,feel good on a Friday. Right,

(52:15):
have a little bit of fun.If that joyous music does not make you
smile, get it together, checkyourself out. You know. Obviously I'm
a big blues fan. And thegreat late Albert King, one of the
Three Kings of the Blues, hada saying. He said, if you
don't love the blues, you gota soul, and I did not saying
it right, if you don't lovethe blues, you got a hole in
your soul. So there you go. If you're not enjoying this, then

(52:38):
that's exactly what you're getting. Ohthat's fun. Compare and open to a
Molly Hatchet song. While I wasupstairs, it could barely hear the radio.
I thought it was the open toa Molly Hatchet song. That is
I really appreciated as well, oneof the great Southern rock bands. Right
there. See you cut loose andhave a little bit of fun on a

(52:59):
Friday. You gotta be careful,though, we need you for another hour
in twenty three minutes. I gottamake sure none of the other music stations
downstairs hear you and steal you fromus to play a little special. Just
this just didn't Jimmy saying and Bergerin fight. It just studio. See,
gotta be careful. We gotta becareful. We got tread Lightley here.
We can't lose you. Ay.I wouldn't put you in the lurch
like that. Now, somebody elsein this building might try to do that,

(53:21):
but I would never do you dirtylike that. I mean we could.
We could try to match the breaks, you know, during our commercial
breaks, run downstairs and play alittle as a bump back. Maybe for
some of the other music stations.We can make it work. I'm just
I'm selfish. I don't want to. I don't want to play with that
right now. So okay, No, we got we gotta chill out a
little because you're a little too onfire with it. We got we gotta
simmer down because I need you here. Mandy needs you here. The Kawa

(53:43):
fifty thousand mile blow torch needs youhere. And I'm not going anywhere,
oh right. The KAA Common SpiritHealth text line five six six nine zero.
Thank you to this listener. Ibelieve Jimmy if he was a liberal,
I would be skeptical. But I'mthere. You go, gotta love
it. We're having a blast thereyou go. Thank you. Thank you

(54:07):
for throwing in the rim shot foryours truly and really for the listener who
texted in five sixty six nine zerois the number. Now, I want
to get serious for a moment,because in Colorado we now have the makings
of a ministry of truth, atleast that's what some are calling the situation

(54:30):
now coming out as a result ofa bill Senate Bill zero eighty four Senate
Bill eighty four from this session.Here's the title, Attorney General Duties to
Prevent mis and Disinformation concerning a requirementthat the Attorney General coordinate with the Department

(54:52):
of Education. Oh two entities.We could trust the Attorney General and the
Department of Education in an effort toprevent the proliferation of factually inaccurate data by
sharing resources to encourage respectful discourse.Now, I will say this, I

(55:13):
do believe that Phil Wiser, ourAttorney General in Colorado, supports respectful discourse.
I say this because I have interviewedhim on the radio multiple times before
and had good conversations with him offair as well. He is somebody who
I think enjoys engaging with people whodisagree with him. I believe that about

(55:34):
Attorney General Wiser, but empowering hisoffice and the Department of Education in this
state with duties to prevent miss anddisinformation and the proliferation effectually and accurate data
by sharing resources to engage in respectto ecourage respectful discourse. I'm not too
keen on that. Governor Polis signedthis bill into law yesterday, right,

(56:00):
and it has the following three components. Establish an initiative to encourage respectful engagement
and discourse, which, by theway, I may think Phil Wiser,
as Attorney General, believes in respectfuldiscourse, might be a good advocate for
that, But having the Office ofthe Attorney General tasked with this, I

(56:25):
don't see how that's fitting with therole Job number two of this legislation develop
and share resources to facilitate productive andhonest conversations regarding statewide and national issues to
help people find common ground. Sonow the Department of Education and the Attorney

(56:47):
General's office are going to provide resourcesto find the common ground and have honest,
productive conversations. Why are at theage Colorado Attorney General's Office in the
Department of Education and we just wantto facilitate productive and honest conversations because that's

(57:08):
what people expect from both. Numberthree, collaborate with organizations across the state
to develop and update the materials thatare used in coordination connection with the resources,
and coordinate with the Department of Educationto make the resources available to schools
and school districts in the state.So now they want to distribute it off

(57:31):
to kids. And we were talkingearlier in the show, as I wrote
about in my column today for theDenver Gazette, my weekly Friday column,
jeff Coo schools take a wrong turnon civics where they're now moving in a
direction of action civics protest civics basicallyactivism over real government education, foundational knowledge

(57:52):
in Jefferson County schools, the state'ssecond largest school district. And then they
want to have the state to theseschool districts and say, hey, we
want you to help evaluate miss anddisinformation. I'm just not so sure how
well that will work either way.Empowering the state with these capabilities to determine

(58:13):
what is or isn't missing disinformation anddo trust the government doesn't strike me as
such a great idea. I don'tknow, what do you think? Text
me at the KOA common spirit HealthHotline five six six nine zero. My
name's Jimmy Sangenberger. I'm filling itfor Mandy Connell right here on KOA.

(58:34):
One of the things that we liketo do is as we go around and
or talk about the stories in theshow, is read your text on the
KOA Common Spirit Health text Line atfive sixty six nine zero. And Alexa
texting in regarding Phil Wiser, ourattorney General, and this new law just
signed by Governor Polis sort of turningthe Attorney General's office and the Department of

(58:57):
Education in a manner of speaking somecritics are saying, and a Ministry of
Truth giving the Attorney General duties towork in concert with the Department of Education
to prevent miss and disinformation. AndAlexa text again, I would not trust
Budweiser as far as I could throwhim. Who in the hades came up
with this insane idea? I don'tknow. Have you looked at our government

(59:21):
lately? Have you looked at thelegislature and what they have been doing lately?
I kind of think any number ofpeople could do it, but it
is actually Senator Lisa Cutter and RepresentativeLorena Garcia who is an outright socialist,
one of the Democratic Socialists of America. I do believe, Hm, go

(59:45):
figure, that's who came up withthis insane idea. Another text coming in.
I'm fine with that, so longas they make me all caps czar
and arbiter of factual information. No, no, no, no, you
and I are going to have toduke it out for who becomes cizar and
arbiter of factual information. I'd liketo do that. No, actually I

(01:00:08):
wouldn't. You could take the jobtoo much, too much difficulty to go
ahead and put me in that sortof a position. But really, government
shouldn't be involved in that kind ofthing. Then we look at Jefferson County
Schools been talking about it throughout theshow, taking a wrong turn on civics

(01:00:32):
education, where they are moving ina direction of what's called protest or action
civics, prioritizing activism over basics ofgovernment. In fact, don't just take
it from me, let's read itfrom resource updates for the upcoming twenty twenty
four twenty twenty five school year fourJefferson County Schools for their high school civics

(01:00:57):
course. This course is shifting froma US government course to a civics course
with a much stronger focus placed oncivic engagement and civic action components as opposed
to structure and function of government.There's an organization in Jefferson County, Jeffco

(01:01:17):
Kids First. You might well befamiliar with them. Lindsay Datko, the
founder of Jeffco Kids First, First, flagged the curriculum changes. They saw
a post that she had and Isaid, hey, you know what,
I'm going to do something about this, and she said, quote knowing Jeffco
Kids First strives to address sensitive topicswith unity, respect, and dignity for

(01:01:40):
all concerned and beloved. Jeffco HighSchool Social Studies teachers reached out to us
after receiving the new resources. Shetold me, the newly defined high school
Jeffco course concerns Jeffco High School SocialStudies teachers as it largely move structure and
function of government, a foundational aspectof high school educators. Right on,

(01:02:07):
this is deeply troubling, the wrongmove, the wrong direction. But guess
what, there are good teachers whoare saying this isn't the right way to
go. We appreciate you those whounderstand that. As Madison said, knowledgeable,
forever governed ignorance, and the peoplewho mean to be their own governors
must arm themselves with the knowledge,which power gives the power which knowledge gives.

(01:02:28):
Rather, I'm Jimmy Sangenberger in forMandy Connell. Another hour up ahead.
Don't miss it. Keep it righthere on KOA Friday afternoon tgif if
you want to join into the conversation, text it the KOA Common Spirit Health
text line five six six nine zero, bottom of the hour. I'll be
talking with blues maestro Tommy Castro.It just got back to the States from

(01:02:53):
a festival in Brazil and he'll beplaying at Winter Parks Blues from the top
festival and are texting in speaking ofgreat heart players, meaning harmonica players.
If you missed it earlier in theshow, yours truly brought out the harmonica
a couple of times, a harmoniccuz I should say plurally, I believe

(01:03:14):
the listener goes on. Charlie Musselwhiteis also going to be at Winter Park,
that is true, and he's oneof the great harp players alive today.
I gotta love great music. Itis food for the soul. Hey
Rod happened to get a little bitmore of a tease there. This is

(01:03:36):
why you listen to the whole show, by the way, because you never
know what will come up and whatmight happen, which is also the case
when it comes to politics and thepolitical issues of the day. But really
what's happening on the world stage,you never know what might happen. Now,

(01:03:57):
the Kremlin had put out a statementsort of it seems lambasting or critical,
making an observation about Trump being convicted, sort of that political piece of
it all like because of politics,hinting at that and basically suggesting that America

(01:04:20):
is no better than Russia. Well, there was an interesting conversation that happened
on CNN about this with Ian Bremer, who is the founder of Eurasia Group.
A very bright guy, has someinteresting takes off and disagree with him,
but this one was rather striking whenit comes to the Russian government's reaction.

(01:04:45):
Can we though, setting that asidefor a moment, read that as
a Russian Kremlin public statement of supportfor Trump. I don't know, it
sounds like approval of Biden. Ithink, come on, an authority,
it's a dictatorship. They systematically haveshow trials imprison the innocent, promote the

(01:05:11):
guilty, and destroy the population.And I don't think we should take seriously.
US democracy is not showing well rightnow, and a lot of democratic
allies of the United States are verydeeply concerned about that. But countries like
Russia, who are chaos actors thatwant the Americans to fail, they are
enjoying the fact that the US isso divided over the rule of law in

(01:05:36):
this country, are so divided overthe legitimacy of its own judicial system.
This is good news for Russia,and it was the inevitable reaction to a
verdict of this kind precedent shattering theKremlin. Having said this last week quote,
it is obvious that there is actuallythe elimination of police rivals by all

(01:06:01):
possible legal and illegal means. So, yeah, when the CNN anchor asks
Ian Bremer, do you think thatthis was sort of tacit support for Trump,
and he goes, no, itmight be for Biden, because they're
sort of saying, well, Biden'sdoing it too, what we do over
here in Russia. I think hehas a point there, But what he

(01:06:29):
also observed is, and this kindof echoes from the first hour Michael Baron's
senior political analyst the Washington Examiner joinedus and talked about the verdict in some
of the implications. And if younotice that even more moderate Republicans, people
like Susan Collins and Nikki Haley andothers are critical of this verdict, and

(01:06:51):
that says a lot about the momentthat we're in and the fact that this
verdict really probably shouldn't have been thefirst case that they took up against Trump.
You really you're going to convict aformer president for this and possibly sentenced
Well, here's Aaron Bremer. It'snot as Marjorie Taylor Green. I mean,

(01:07:13):
this is it's people like Susan Collins. It's folks like Nikki Haley.
It's folks that you know, youand I know are serious politicians who in
gender a level of support in theUnited States and around the world that absolutely
delegitimizes the US political system, ruleof law, and its democracy. And
we have to be worried about thatfor the long term, not just in

(01:07:35):
terms of the selection exactly. Imean this is this is pretty clear cut
for most Republicans that this was Idon't use the term rigged to describe elections
or most things. But this verdict, or rather this trial was rigged against
Trump, from the judge, thebias of the judge, to the fact

(01:07:59):
that you had an underlying felony thatthey attached to thirty four misdemeanor counts of
falsification of business records, and theunderlying felony was not even known, to
the point where they said, hereare three options, jury, you can
choose. This is in the juryinstructions. Jury choose from these three options
to make your mind up for whatthe underlying helony was. So then you

(01:08:21):
can go ahead and convict the formerpresident of the United States of that.
I mean it was rigged in thatcase, in that particular instance. And
this is why mid Romney ken Buck, our former congressman from Colorado, and

(01:08:43):
others have been saying, wait asecond, this is not right. There's
a big problem here, and itis firing up the Republican base right now
in a way that I think isbackfiring on the Democrats, to the point
where BIEN co chair Mitch lan Drewsaid the following about a close election,
these polls will abb, they'll flow, but at the end of the day,

(01:09:05):
it's going to be very close,just to what like it was last
time. Every vote counsel, we'regoing to fight for every one of them.
As Michael Barone said earlier, you'reprobably not feeling too good if you're
actually saying this is going to bea close election, no matter how far
removed you are from the election itself. My goodness, there's a little bit

(01:09:26):
more news, by the way,about Republican State Party Chairman Dave Williams,
more people Republicans turning on and what'scoming up, what's going on with that.
We're going to pick up the conversationand fill you in on the other
side. Jimmy Sangenberger filling in forMandy Connell right here on KOA. I'm
Jimmy Sangenberger again. My website,by the way, I didn't plug this
yesterday. You can reach out tome twenty four seven three sixty five with

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(01:10:12):
that's good. You're in radio.You gotta figure out some way to let
folks know how to spell, becausethey want to put an A and I
re use somewhere and that's memorable.They'll like. Later on, maybe they're
getting home, they go, whywas it all that little? All these
all the time? Yes, justremember that and you know how to spell
Sangenburger. By the way, thisis interesting development. Yesterday we talked about

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the no good, very bad weekof Dave Williams, the chairman of the
Colorado Republican Party, who, ofcourse last week got crosswise with the Trump
campaign, who has endorsed him.Well, Trump endorsed him for congress in
the fifth congressional district, and theysaid you're not supposed to fundraise off of
Trump's verdict, and Dave Williams wentahead and did exactly that, And the

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co chairman of the campaign said somebodythe effect of, we have a list,
we're checking it twice, and we'renot in the spirit of Santa Claus.
I think that's a verbatim quote.That's not good. Then you had
this email saying burn all the prideflags and God hates pride and God hates
flags like this was an email fromthe state party getting a lot of flack
from that is Dave Williams. Andthings just got even more interesting earlier today

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when the chairwoman of the Jefferson CountyRepublican Party, Nancy Pelosi, put out
a statement saying Republican Party leaders callon state chairman to resign. It reads
in a statement release today, numerousColorado Republican county chairs, other county party
officers, members of the Colorado StateCentral Committee in all sixty four counties,

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and many Republican candidates are asking forthe Republican State Party chairman, mister Dave
Williams to immediately resign, to immediatelyresign from the party. Calling for a
resignation of the state party chairman isthe chair of the Jefferson County GOP,
saying there are other leaders as wellwho are upset at what's been happening.

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This follows, of course, thedecision by Valdemar out Archiletta, who is
the candidate for the Republican Party againstDiana to get in Denver for Congress,
who said I'm going to reject theendorsement of the Colorado GOP after this email

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because I'm openly gay and I'm presidentof the log Cabin Republicans, the gay
Republican organization, And he said that'sunacceptable and I'm not going to accept the
party's endorsement. Is wrong, unacceptable. Good for him, Good for him,

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Good for Nancy Pelosi, Good forall those leaders in the Republican Party
who are stepping up and saying,Dave Williams is a bridge too far.
No good, Dave, you needto step down and get away. You
know. It's also interesting is thatthe party officially endorsed Jenek Joshie, candidate

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for Congress in the eighth Congressional Districtprimary Republican primary, and Donald Trump endorsed
Gabe Evans instead, who Williams andthe party leaders were trying to shape into
the anti MAGA candidate. This isnot acceptable. This gave Williams guy,

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or gave Gabe Evans. Gabe EvansGuy is not acceptable as the candidate for
the Republican Party. So we're goingto endorse Jenik Joshi. And Trump puts
out an endorsement and says, I'mendorsing Gabe Evans. He's the guy that
we need to be elected to bethe Republican nominee for the eighth CD.

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That's not a good position to bein if you were Dave Williams and not
looking good. Of course, wehave to see more Republicans stand up to
get Williams to actually resign. Untilthat point, if and until he steps
down, you just need more andmore people to say, Nay, this

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is unacceptable. It's just fascinating thatDave Williams would defy Trump in this way.
Oh my goodness, I mean,just something else, all right,
before we run to a break.This is some interesting story. You've been
hearing it in the news today,but a small plane crash has been the

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investigation of this crash underway in Nervada. Ben lassen Er newsman extraordin Air here
with us. What's going on?Ben, Hey, Jimmy, Well,
we've had Rob Dawson at the scenes. We've had other people calling in and
sending videos. Fox thirty one isdone a good job. It's just a
crazy scene. From what happened atnine point thirty this morning. Sounds like
that's when the that's when the planetouched down. It, you know,

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immediately caused an explosion. People saythey saw the plane kind of just flying
way too low. They knew somethingwas wrong. That's when they said,
just immediately when it hit tall brightflames, black smoke, and so the
updates we've gotten throughout the day arejust what law enforcement and first responders can
tell us. The latest that wejust heard was from the NTSB, the

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National Transportation Safety Board. They're there, they're saying that. Well. One
the comment I thought was most interestingwas the spokesperson there was starting to speculate
a little bit. He said,with the direction they were flying parallel with
the road and a nearby train track, he thinks is probably likely they were,
you know, just doing the bestthey could with their situation and trying

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to land parallel on that road,maybe trying to get on the train track.
They said a train track can bea good spot. It's in some
cases. But the images we saw, like on Fox thirty one's live stream,
was a truck was right next tothe plane and it just looked it
just looks terrible. They said thatthere was debris as far as across the
train track, which is you know, totally separate from the blow. The

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block is Oberon in car at thisArvada neighborhood. So just just a terrible
thing to walk outside and see.I'm sure it was a huge explosion sound
for all those people and those neighbors. So we'll give you some sound from
what the what the man from theNTSB had to say. Then we'll keep
you updated as much as possible throughthe day. Yeah. Absolutely, we

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got to run to a break then. Lasser, hey, brother, thank
you, thank you really appreciate it. We'll be keeping tabs on it here
on KOA. Jimmy Sangenberger in forMandy Connell. Stay with us. Sizzling,
slow burning, gritty blues and rock, shimmering, swampy, downright funky
vibes drenched with Castro's stinging, pureand crisp lead runs and fluid jet fueled

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solos. Joining me fresh from Brazilis blues man extraordinaire, Tommy Castro.
Brother tgif how are you I'm doinggreat? Man? Yeah, things are
good. I look around, woop. Tommy Castro joining us. Unfortunately,

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just there. We had a signalweakness here. But you know what,
let me just tell you something aboutTommy Castro. He's been around picking guitar
since the age of ten obviously travelingaround the world, and as we'll get
to in a moment, he wasjust in Brazil, did two shows at
a festival there, and he hasplayed with so many different acts before and

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legendary folks from blues and from rock. His band is Tommy Castro and the
Painkillers, and he will be playingas well. Speaking of festivals, at
the Blues from the Top Festival theend of this month of June, put
on by the Grand County Blues Society. Once again we have Tommy Castro with

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us. All right, Tommy,let's try this again, brother. What
are you gonna say? In Brazillast week it's a big festival down there.
There's you know, ten or twelvethousand people in audience and it's just
so many acts to you know,watching mostly jazz. It was a jazz

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and blues fest, but they liketo put the blues bands on there just
to keep you wake people up,you know, that's what you got to
do, is fire people up justa little bit. Let me ask you,
Tommy, when you're traveling around theworld, going to a place like
Brazil or into Europe wherever, whatis that experience like for you? Well,
first of all, as as timegoes on, I'm less excited about

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you know, getting there. Travel. Travel is no fun these days.
But once we get there and weget all of our all the hard work
done, and we get on stageand play to an audience of just you
know, people are really a lotthe same everywhere you go. I have

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to say that the people in Brazilhave are a little bit more exuberant about
their love of music and this kindof audience that that they are and so
that was really great to see.And a lot more of a you know,
wide range of ages in the audience. Wonderful old people and the whole
families are out there these shows.And so you know, that said,

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it's different everywhere you go. Youknow, we get to Europe sometime it's
very reserved. You know. TheFrench they like to sit quietly right until
the end of a song and thenthey'll plod. But you don't get much
from them during the show. Atthe very end of the show, they're
standing ovations and they'll stand in lineto get a signature and they have,
you know, wonderful things to sayabout how much they love the show.

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But during the show it's hard toget a read on them, you know.
Well, you know, one thingthat I think is funny is when
you're talking about different cultures and howthey react to something they love. I
remember George Lucas once had told thestory about the first I think it was
the first Star Wars being shown inJapan, and he was concerned when it

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was silence after the movie, andthat was actually a really good sign from
Japan that that was they were justshowing respect that they had just loved it.
So you never know what might happenwherever you are around the globe and
how the audience is going to react. And that's why I'm glad I'm coming
to Colorado. We love it whenyou come here. We know, I

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know Colorado people and uh, youguys are one of the best audience for
blues music in the country. Uh. It's just it's just always been you
know, well received there and people, you know festivals, there's quite a
few blues festivals in the state.Uh, and it's always been a good
place to go for for blues music. People ticket people really get into it.

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They tend to like to dance andget up and it's pretty lively crowd,
you know. When we're playing ColoradoSprings. You know, there's seating
everywhere, but always happens throughout theshow. Pretty soon everybody's on defeat and
having a good time. And uh, I guess we've been playing that.
We played or in a theater acouple of times. I can't remember the

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last venue we were at in Colorado. It was ophelia Is Electric was one
of the places in Denver, specifically, it was Ophelia's Electric Soapbox and I
sat in with you guys there.You guys came and played with us.
Of course, you know, thatwas a cool room downtown, a little
smaller venue, but we had agood time that night. Yeah. So

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it's been a while since Blues fromthe Top. I was one of the
first acts on those first few festivals. You know, I used to come
when it was first started out,you know, early on. You know,
we would wind up there every otheryear, every two every three years,
maybe something like that. And ifit's grown and grown and bigger and

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bigger names are on the bill,understandably, you know, we've had to
wait our turn a little longer.So we're really excited to be coming back
and I'm bringing my fiance. Themulti talented beautiful Deanna Bogart. She'ld be
playing some saxophone with us, She'llbe playing piano on some of her own

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songs, and of course we'll doa little a little bit of the show
with just the four of us guysto get things started, and so it'll
be a fast moving I hope,we hope we get at least ninety minutes,
because we've got a lot too.We got a lot of fit in
there. They usually do ninety minutes. I've been to most of the festivals

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at least for one day. I'lldefinitely be there Saturday and Sunday the end
of the month. I think that'sthe twenty ninth and the thirtieth, but
it starts on the twenty eighth.Let me just say, first of all,
regarding Dianna Bogart, who I hadthe great pleasure of meeting at Ophelia's
last year when I sat him withyou guys, she is wonderful. She's
like amazingly talented on the sacks andthe piano, and when she gets to

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a boogie that boogie style, it'sjust absolutely phenomenal and has a tremendous voice.
And I did not know that youtwo were engaged. So let me
congratulate you on that wonderful, wonderfulto hear. And one thing that's so
great when you think about Blues fromthe Top. This is in winter Park,
beautiful right in the Rocky Mountains.I don't know that you've been there

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since they put up their complete stage. They used to just build, you
know, put one together, Ithink, but they have a permanent stage.
That's really nice that they have installedthere, and it's just a great
place to go and and here's somemusic in your place, in your case,
play some music. Oh, Iam not sure if I've seen that.

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The last time I was there wasjust before John Cat passed awayounder of
it. I knew it was goingto be his last show, uh at
the Bruce from the Top, SoI wasn't even on the bill. I
just went. I remember to sitin with I sat in with Jimmy Hall
and uh a local band that wasbacking him up. I forget their name

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right now, good good band,and they were backing Jimmy up and I
sat in with them, and Iwas just really there to support John and
kind of say goodbye and away,you know, and John Kat, I
I didn't know him well, butI I met him and talked with him
a few different times. And hewas the founders with the Grand County Blue
Society, which puts on Blues fromthe Top, and he was the founder

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and he passed away several years back. Just a tremendous man who has just
commands amazing respect from the likes ofTommy Castro our guest to Joe Bonamas,
do you name it? And heput on something so great with such a
great team of folks at the BlueSociety. And one of the things that
they do that I think as wonderfulis they have their Blue Star Connection,

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which supports it's a program, nonprofitprogram that supports hospital music therapy departments across
the country. They've gifted over eighthundred instruments to children with life threatening health
issues. And that's one of thebig things that they fundraise for at Blues
from the Top. And I think, Tommy, it is so important to
help teach kids instruments, especially becauseit seems like that's happening less and less.

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that wasJohn's idea. Me too. Don't
know exactly how he uh he gotgot it off the ground, but he
didn't stop doing it until the daydied. He said, you know what,
I know, I've got a limitedamount of time and I could go
sit on an island somewhere and uh, you know, take it easy,
he goes, But no, I'mjust going to keep doing this work.

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And and that's what he did.And and so I I, you know,
have been involved with Blue Star uhoff off and on over the over
the years. It's been a while. You know, there's so many there's
so many causes. It's hard todo do everything that you want to do.
You want to help everybody, youwant to get involved, but there's
only so much time and uh anduh but I I really am glad that

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the uh the program has continued on. I remember John asked me to deliver
a guitar with him one time toto one of the patients in one of
the Blue Star kids, and itwas a very uh moving experience. I'll
never forget it. And as itturned out that that out didn't survive and

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I got to know her for abit. So it's it's really important work
that everybody's doing there that uh bluesfrom the top supporting Blue Star program.
And I'm happy to be coming back. You know, I got a lot
of friends up there. I spenta long time, and uh, you
know that's a great thing about whatI do. I've been collecting friends all

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over the planet, oh yeah,years, and everywhere I go, it's
like like coming back home feeling,you know. Yeah, No, I
believe that connection connection up there inwinter Park, and I remember playing Mo's
a bunch of times that barbecue joinup there, and you know, having
many many get togethers with John Kattand Art Yeah, Tommy Castro our guests

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joining us, blues Man extraordin Airalso headlining the Blues from the Top festival
the last weekend of this month Fridaynight, Big Head Todd on the Monsters
of course, Colorado local band originallyand Eric Gales on Sunday following Canned Heat

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and Tommy Castro coming up before that, Charlie mussel White, one of the
great Hart players of all time onthat Saturday, as well as Ben Harper
and the Innocent Criminals. I mean, there's always a fun and great line
up there at Blues from the Top, and I'm especially glad that you will
be up there right on stage,and Tommy, if you don't mind,

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I want to give folks a littlebit of a taste of what you have.
This is one of your famous songsthat I think you probably play it
just about every show that you do. Well known, nice funky groove to
it. It's called Nasty Habits TommyCastro. Tommy, you said that was
one of the first songs you everwrote. Yeah, you know, I
was partying a lot back then.I just started with starting my band up

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in North beachround the San Francisco Bayarea, and I was, Oh,
I was a whole lot younger thanI was, probably in my thirties,
and uh yeah, it was justsuch a great There was such a great
time to be there in the city. There were three blues bars on one
block, and that's what we usedto get ourselves up off the ground.

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You know. We we we workedout our original songs, we played in
the clubs every night, we passedthe tip jar. We did whatever we
had to do to get this bandup and running. And we had a
lot of fun there. But youknow, I you know, it was
it was it was easy to getwrapped up in the bar scene, and
uh, you know, I wasdrinking and partying every night, and a

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lot of and a lot of daysI'd wake up going, man, this
this has got to stop, youknow, I gotta roll this back somehow,
And well, eventually I wound upquitting all those things all together.
It's been over twenty years now,drink. But so that was early on,
and that song was inspired by reallife, as music songs often are.

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And you are indeed a prolific songwriter, by the way, coming in
on the KOA Common Spirit Health Hotlineat five six six nine zero listener texting.
And I saw him Tommy at theGreeley Blues Festival years ago. He
was awesome. Yes, he isindeed awesome. Tommy. Can we do
something unusual for a moment that Ithink would be fun. I've got my

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case of fourteen harmonicas here, andI know that riff because my blues band,
Jimmy Junior Blues Band plays huci cucciman. Can you can you,
like, on the phone, dovocals for the first verse of Uci cuci
man while I play the riff onthe harp. Let's do this? Why
not Muddy Waters the Great Legend.We've just got a couple of minutes left

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with our guest, Tommy Castro let'sdo it here. You ready? A
woman told my mother before I wasborn, got a bullet out coming,
gonna be a son of a gun, jump and shout, Well, gonna

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know what's this all about? I'mhere? Yeah, I'll read about the
nod down here man all around theworld, nod down here, a big

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jim Little It would be proud,Thank you brother. You gotta absolutely love
it. So when folks see TommyCastro play, what can they expect for
Michelle oh Man, Well, wegot thirty years worth of material to try
to squeeze in. There's a couplesongs from the most recent album of Blues
Man Came to Town. And ifyou're gonna play something, that song that

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Jimmy Hall and I did together,the first track on that album, Somewhere
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, goahead and learn that. Will you have
you play that with us at WinterPark? Hey, I love it.
I will. I will absolutely dothat. You'd have a different Jimmy in
there, But that sounds like agreat plan for me. I'd love to
be up there with you. Iwill do that because an important as a

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harp is an important part of thatthat riff, and so we don't play
it a lot. Yeah, butwe will play it if you're going to
be there, Hey, I will. Hey, Tommy, Unfortunately we're at
a time, brother, but Iso appreciate it. I'm looking forward to
seeing you Blues from the Top Junetwenty eighth through thirtieth at Winter Park.
Rand Blues dot Org. Tommycastro dotcom is a man we've been talking talking

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too, fresh from Brazil. Thanksso much for making time for us right
here on KOA. All right,Jim, see you soon, Man,
see you soon. Brother. Onceagain, Tommy Castor joining us. That
is it for me today. Havea great weekend and as I always say,
God bless America.