06-10-24 FULL SHOW - Krista Kafer Fills in for Mandy

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You're listening course to eight fifty koabehind the glasses, a rod helping out
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And if you don't recognize this voice, this is Christy k Ferr.
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There's always like two guys. I'mpretty sure they're full grown men. As

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and I think it'll help maybe thatin uh valume you know, do
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some of you are like listen times, you know, things are lean,
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you subscribe to the Denver Post.I gotta say it right, It's my
paper. I gotta say it.So. We've got got some good stuff
coming up coming up today. We'vegot why ranked choice voting sucks. Yeah,
I hate it, and I'm goingto talk about why I hate it,
and also an amendment that just incase it passes as a popular initiative,

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it's going to hang it up.I'm actually for the amendment. My
own paper came out against the amendment. I'm for it. A little shout
out to Emily Saroda is a representativein the in the General Assembly. It's
her, it's her amendment. Iagree with her on just one thing.
That amendment. She's She's on theleft. I'm on the right, and

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I don't think we agree on muchelse, but I like the amendment.
I'll talk a little bit about that. Also talk about things that are dumbgerous.
I know you probably never heard theword dumbgerous. It's because it's a
new word. It's break it intothe lexicon. It is a it's a
combination of dumb and dangerous. Andno, I didn't come up with it.
I didn't come up with that.As my young friend Amelia, particularly

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intelligent twelve year old, who said, you know, when things are dumb
and dangerous, like somebody who's like, ye know, I want to be
like an action film. I'm gonnaI'm gonna drive sixty miles an hour and
jump out of the car and doa roll. Somebody, I kid you
not tried to do that. Andthey died. There's a guy that decided
to jump into the lions, notthe line it's den but the lion cage

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at the zoo. Not the DenverZoo, but another zoo in the country.
This last this last week, hewent to get a selfie with the
lion. He's now dead. Ibelieve they call these things the Darwin awards
like you've taken yourself out of thegene pool, will not be producing any
more geniuses of that ILK. Soit's a you know, thanks a lot

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for doing that. I I don'twant anybody to die from doing things that
are dumgerous, but things that aredumb and dangerous. Love to hear,
uh I'd love to hear what youwhat your examples of things that are dumgerous,
and we'll hit that throughout the showfive six six nine zero. And
uh I got it wrong. It'snot the radio scisions, not eighty nine
point five or nine or whatever Isaid. It's eighty nine point three.

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And yeah, it's a good safespace. Actually it's it's a great jazz
station if you if you need,uh I, you need a little of
that. And I've already got somereally nice things coming in. Thank you,
thank you, thank you. Appreciatethe kudos. It's been a while,
it's been I think about two monthssince I've been on the air,
so it's sound a little rusty thatyou can check it up to that anyway,
Things that are dumgerous and why rankedvoting sucks also a wave of discontent.

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It's about to wash Dave Williams,I hope off the party. Yeah,
that guy is possibly the worst headof the Colorado GOP. And already
twenty five percent of the signatures neededto call for a meeting to call for
that vote. These are all thepeople that are on the Central Committee.

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So I think it could happen.I think it may not happen, unfortunately,
but it may happen that there maybe a vote to get rid of
him. This is the guy thatendorsed himself using state party resources. He
endorsed his friends over other Republicans.He endorsed himself over another Republican. Generally
speaking, because it's considered un ethical, state parties do not weigh in on

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primaries. They just don't do that, and they certainly don't like the chairman
doesn't like endorse himself using state partyresources. But as if they weren't bad
enough, the guy's like, youknow what, I think I want to
go one step further, and heputs out a really nasty and really nasty

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email about you know, pride,like we're gonna I'm not a big prop
fan of pride. You want tocelebrate it, you don't, That's fine
by me. But this thing wasso over the top nasty that I actually
use it in my column this lastSunday, as you know, example of
just bad stupid stuff. Yeah,bad stupid stuff that politicians and their ilk

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can do. I love this.You're already getting some examples of things that
are dumbgerous, dumb and dangerous.So splitting lanes on the highway with motorcycle,
I don't how about these guys there. I remember seeing guys doing wheelies.
They were going like seventy miles anhour. I'm thinking that's a little
dumbgerous, just a little bit.Also, the Lion's selfie guy. Let's

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see, if the Lion selfie guywas successfully would have been a hero.
No, I think that would havebeen just as dumbgerous, and it would
have, you know, kind ofincentivized other idiots that jump in jump in
there and be like, I geta selfie too, Like we could have
had a whole class of dummies takingthemselves out. And not a big fan
of people dying prematurely, but Iuh, I'm thinking that's kind of common

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sense that you don't do that.It's dumbgerous to tell a heated woman to
calm down. Yeah, I,Uh, I don't recommend that. Yeah,
I don't recommend that. Oh thisis sweet. Somebody says, I
turn up the radio when I hearchrista dumgerous Donald Trump. Hey, not
my words, but uh I gotit. I got it. I agree

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a little bit. I guess Ishouldn't say that, but there it is.
It's out there. So let's seewhat else we got here. Why
are students leaving Denver public schools?Scotus that's the new kind of a It's
not a new acronym. It's justpeople are using it a lot more so.
That's the Supreme Court of the UnitedStates and just relieves you of having
to say a lot of words whenyou could just say one. It's their

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decisions to come because, as youknow, June is the last month before
they take off the summer. Also, let's see people behaving badly during an
election year. I'm calling it thesilly season, because good grief, is
it ever silly? And that wasthe topic. And you know I was

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bipartisan about it, right. Ipicked the Democrats, of course. And
it's not all Democrats. A subsetof Democrats are funding Ron Hanks, the
craziest nut job he's running against areal viable candidate, Jeff Heard in the
mountainous part of our state, inthe third district. And although I guess

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according to his endorsement, Dave Williamsis also running in the third. Yeah,
he's running in the fifth, butin his little endorsement email it said
third. So Ron Hanks watch out. So Ron Hanks, he's the guy.
He's a total collection conspiracy theorist.And when he was running for Senate,
I don't know where he got aXerox coffee copy machine, but he

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got a machine, you know,copy machine, and then a really large
caliber rife. I don't know whatcaliber it was, but something big.
And he put the copy machine outthere in the I don't know, on
somebody's property, labeled it voting machine, and then shot it with a large

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caliber weapon. I think he alsohad explosives in there, and so the
thing blew up. That was inhis ad killer of copy machines. So
he's been of course endorsed by DaveWilliams and his h and the state GOP.
Now I got a contingent of Democratswho decide, you know what,
let's fund this guy, let's promotethis guy. So Democrats, you know,

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I will say that, you know, most of them genuinely dislike election
deniers, conspiracy theorists, people whoI don't know would foement and insurrection,
those types, and yet here theyare funding one. So look, if
you're going to say you're against it, don't do it. I believe that's
called hypocrisy. You know, I'mjust going to say how much I how

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much I'm worried about election denialism,and then I'm going to go fund this
denier. Now you don't do that, right, So that was that was
kind of my example of Democrats behavingbadly and on the Republicans behaving badly.
I had two examples, but themain one was was Dave Williams. And
it's not just the whole I'm goingto endorse myself and my friends using party

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resources. This this email that wentout on Pride and I guess I should
bust into this. This is mything on whole Pride month. I don't
celebrate it, but here's I celebratea top total of like seven things.
Christmas, Easter, Halloween, fourthof July, Thanksgiving, give a little

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minor shout out maybe to Valentine's DayI've got some cute decorations for the house.
I've got, you know, maybeI make some cookies with arts or
whatever. I like Saint Patrick's Day. It's a great time to go out
for a beer. And then anythingthat celebrates bacon, I'm down with that.
Like, so what is that that'sone, two, three, four,
five, six, seven, eightholidays? Now, if I were

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a school teacher and I do substituteteach, and I'm also a college adjunct,
I might, well, I guess, you know, I guess you
know. I kind of like MartinLuther King Day, and if I'm teaching
on that day, I do playa speech. I also if it's like
Black History Month, I do think, having grown up in the nineteen seventies
and eighties, but great Black Americansdid not get the recognition in history that

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they deserved. So while I ammostly not into you know, ethnicity,
ethnic related recognition because I think we'reall human and we all deserve to be
equally loved and appreciated, I dothink that Americans of color generally given short
shrift when it comes to recognition inhistory books, recognition growing up. I

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think a lot of that's changing,and I really appreciate that about our standards
and about the way the classroom ishandled now. So if I was a
school teacher, would I would takesome opportunity during Black History Months to show
recognition of Americans who did not getthe recognition they deserved when I was growing
up. I'm talking about George Washington, Carver, I'm talking about Scott Joplin,

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I'm talking about you know, GondalLiza, I'm talking about you know,
uh On, Martin Luther King,Frederick Douglass, a lot of great
Black Americans. And those are justthe ones off the top of my head.
But I would definitely, So,Okay, that's one appreciation thing.

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Now, why don't I do pridewell? And again, I don't care
if you do pride, You wantto do pride, you want to put
a rainbow flag, rainbow shirt,whatever, it's just that I don't.
I don't do Ramadan either for thatmatter. There's a lot of things I
don't do because it's not a valueto me. And the idea that one
would take pride in or show,you know, people, you do use

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the word pride in that way sopeople say there, I'm proud to be
an American or I'm proud to bea woman, or I'm proud to be
part of the LBGTQ community. Andthat's fine if that's the way you feel.
I don't feel. I'm grateful thatI'm a woman. I like being
a woman. I'm grateful that ina mayor, I'm an American. I

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tend to use the word pride inreference to things that I do. I'm
proud of my garden, I'm proudof my column, I'm proud of my
you know, my brother in lawor somebody tried to bribe him at work
and it was like fifteen thousand dollarsand he said no. I reported the
guy like I esteem good action,I esteem good character, But identity esteeming

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it's just not really my thing.I'm not proud to be white. I'm
not proud to be heterosexual. I'mnot proud to be a woman. I
even as an American, I lovebeing an American, and I love the
things that we as a country havedone to preserve peace, to develop a
wonderful constitution. But I don't tendto use pride in that way. If

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others do, that's fine, it'sfine. But even when it comes to
friends of mine that are same sexattracted. They're not my quote unquote gay
friends, because that's not how Iknow them, Like I don't. They're
like a that's their box and theyhave to stay in that box. They're
my hiking friends, They're my friendswho love dogs. They're my friends,
you know, my other kinds offriends, right, they're my buddies.

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They're not my anymore than my friendsthat are not same sex attracted. They're
not my hetero friends. I don'thave friends, you know, those are
not my married friends, which arenot my celibate friends. Like sexuality for
me is not It's not an identitymarker. So for that reason, I
don't have anything to do with Pride, And if people want to, they
can. It's cool. If youdon't want to, that's fine too.

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No one should ever force you tobe part of that or not be part
of that. Right, if youhave an employer that's like, we're wearing
Pride shirts, you have every rightto say I'm not wearing the shirt.
On the other hand, if youhave an employer that allows you to wear
buttons and you want to have aPride button, and they're like, well,
you can have all these other buttons, but you can't have that pride
button. I think they're they're wrong. You want to do it, do
it. If you don't want todo it, don't do it. So

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I guess what I don't like though, in addition to you know, trying
to force people to do something ornot do something, is this email and
rolling back to that, this emailby the Colorado GOP, signed by good
old Dave Williams. It is soegregiously disgusting, it is. It basically

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pans anyone who is considers themselves LBGTQas being a groomer and an evil person.
It has this flaming eyed I knowthat's wild, like a flaming red
eyed Jesus on It talks about,uh, you know, we're gonna,
We're gonna, you know, Godhates flags. Of course, that's supposed

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to like rhyme with or be similarto what the Westboro Baptist Church people said
about gay people. It is.It is is a sickening email, absolutely
sickening, And I don't know whyyou would do that. If you want
to be hateful, that's fine,but can you just keep that crap to
yourself without pushing it out and pushinghatred towards other people. It is absolutely

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absurd. So that alone should getthe guy fired. That alone should get
the guy fired. So this says, let's see makes sense to have a
bride month? Do we have amonth for things we should actually be celebrated?
I know, sorry it says itmakes zero sense. Sorry I didn't
see the zero makes zero sense tohave pride month. I'm down with it.

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I don't. I don't. Ithink it's an odd month. I
don't. And who declares these things? Can anybody declare them? Can June?
Actually my birthdays in July? Let'smake July christa appreciation month and not
just this Christa. It could belike an appreciation for all Christa's everywhere Christa
appreciation month, because I mean,why go with a day when you can

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go with a whole month. Maybemake it declare it a year, kind
of like the year of Jubilee,which is like an old fashioned Hebrew thing.
It could be like the year ofChrista. I mean, why not?
Who declares these things? Who?Just? I mean? And I
see why in virtue signaling, allthese advertisers want to jump on board and
be like, we're doing this.If I just declar year of the CHRISTA
can can will target get on boardor Walmart? How about you know,

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come on, This person says,I think pride was originally named that way
to push back on mainstream sentiment thatgay should be ashamed. And I actually
agree with that. I think thisperson is dead on because I've you notice
that you've got the two different,two different ways to use pride. Just
pride in things you've done, andthen there's pride in kind of things that
you esteem. Proud to be anAmerican, proud to be a woman or

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whatever. A lot of times thatis used when it feels like that identity
is being attacked. So I remember, right after, right after nine to
eleven, so more than twenty yearsago, people tended to, you know,
the term of being proud to bean American, putting the flag out
there, that kind of thing.It was really strong, and everybody was

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doing it. Not because they don'tordinarily love their country. I mean,
what's not to love. It's agreat country, but because we had been
attacked, there was a lot moreproud to be American kinds of sentiment.
So I understand if you feel thatyou were attacked because your skin color,
then you get things like Black Pride. If you feel like you've been attacked
because of your gender, you mightsay, I'm proud to be a woman,

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Or if you're attacked because you're gay, you might say, I'm proud
to be gay. And out ofthat comes to pride, Pride as in
the celebration. So I think thisperson that texted it is dead on that
said, but why don't we havea month of it? And why is
it that everyone's expected to participate.I'm not going to participate in something a
sexual identity month because that's not howI view people. It's not how I

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view myself. It's not how Iview friends that are in same sex relationships.
I see people as individuals primarily,and if I do have an identity
for them, it's that shared valueidentity, like that's my hiking friend,
that kind of thing. Right,So I think this is kind of an
interesting issue. We're coming up ona break and I don't want to break

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the rules. I don't want toincite the anger of a rod. I've
never seen a rod angry. Wecould give it a try. I'm always
capable of it. I am treedlightly all right, Okay, anyway,
we're gonna take a break now.When we get back, we're going to
this kind of my interesting issue.So we'll continue on this. And you're

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listening to christ A k From sittingin for Mandy Connell, listening to the
best station in the world, eightfifty KOA. Things I don't love.
Back to our old subject, whichis Dave Williams who likes to use Colorado
State Republican resources to support his owncandidacy and that of his friends over other
Republicans. Total violation of ethics.They're also sending out nut job and that's

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been a couple I guess they shouldbe grateful because there are slow newsweek in
which I have to write a columnand I don't have any material. All
I have to do is see whatthe Colorado GOP is up to or what
certain politicians are saying, and blammo, I have material to write a column.
It's it's amazing. So I guesspart of me's going to be a
little sad when the State Party Committeeends up, you know, kicking him

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out, because they're getting closer.They have to get signatures first, then
they meet, then they vote ifthey get a certain percentage of the Central
Committee to sign, there's going tobe a meeting, there's going to be
a vote, and hopefully he willget kicked out because he's doing real harm
to Republicans. Ever since he tookthe helm, a number of Republicans,
including our very own Mandy Connell,left the party. They were like,

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I'm done, I'm out now.One of the reasons say I'm not leaving,
and I am a Reagan Republican,is that I just feel like somebody's
got to be around. After thehailstorm is over, after the tornado is
over, after all of this,after the fever finally breaks, there's got
to be a few people to say, Okay, I'm here, I'm here
to clean up. We're not thereyet, but until then. Also,

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I've been centered now twice, onceby the state Party and once by the
Arapaho Republican Party, and they wantme to leave. And here's the deal.
I'm one of those super nice people. I'm basically if you ever had
a Great Pyrenees, it's a bigwhite fluffy, it's like a bathrug of
a dog. That's me. Supernice, super easy going, unless you

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know coyotes are trying to eat theflock. Very very easygoing person. But
you don't attack the people I love, and don't try to make me do
anything I don't want to do,because I'll lock it down and I'm not
leaving. I'll be here to cleanup when they leave. Needless to say,
I'm gona talk a little bit abouttheir email. So this email goes

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out, there's also a tweet sayingGod hates flags and burn all flags,
so all pride flags. That isthe whole God hates flags. It's kind
of think of it as a ahow did I put it in my column?
You've got it's a hate rhyme,not a hate crime, but I

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hate rhyme where it's trying to rhymewith what the Westborough Baptist Church would put
out saying that they hated I'm notgoing to say the word on the air
that God hates these people. Goddoesn't hate human beings. He hates some
of the things that human beings do, including super hateful texts and tweets and

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emails. But this idea that Godhates human beings, the very human beings
that he created, is absurd.And this holy email, is the holy
email that went out, is disgusting. It's got this flaming red eyed Jesus
that you know, talks about howGod hates people and then goes on to

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say that we need to hate themtoo, And I'm get you some great
texts, and I wanted to saythis person says, this thing is is
that God loves everyone, no matterwhat their sexual preferences, or religion,
color, or anything. What hehates is our sins. Williams is one
hundred percent wrong to post that thatstand in northern Colorado. Yeah, the
flaming eye Jesus is not It's nota Jesus I'm familiar with at all.

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Anyway. The email is so gregiouslyhateful. And I agree with this Texter
who says, now the left willsay all Republicans hate gays because of one
guy, And yeah, I thinkit makes Republicans look bad. I think
it incites hatred towards an entire groupof people. It is absolutely disgusting,

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and I hope they're able to getthe number of signatures to call a meeting
to get rid of him. AndI'm on the flip side. I don't
celebrate pride. I'm not into pride. I don't think anyone should be forced
to participate if you're on a sportsteam, for example, and the coach
is like, hey, we're alldoing rainbow shirts for this game. I

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think you have the right to respectfullysay I won't. I'm not gonna wear
that shirt. I'm gonna go aheadand wear the regular shirt. I don't
care if other people wear that shirt. It's fine. I'm just not gonna
wear it. And if you getkicked from the game or kicked from the
team, I say, lawyer up, because I think you could make some
money off of that. Coach ispoor decision making. But if you want

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to participate, participate. You don'twant to participate, don't participate. I
don't participate. I don't identify peopleby there by their sexuality. It's just
not a thing for me. Andthat's why I disagree with this this uh
one person texted in and you cantext in two at five six six nine
know says, I don't think peopleare expected to participate. Every now and

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now and again, you'll see thata school will well or a class will
expect students to participate in some sortof pride thing. You do hear of
teams, you know we're going towear the pride shirt, and then you
have people really feeling hassled when theysay, I'm just not going to do

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that. And I think this shouldbe completely voluntary, and I think it
should be voluntary for any any quoteunquote holiday or month of recognition. If
you don't want to participate in Christmas, you shouldn't have to do Christmas,
shouldn't have to do Easter, Valentine'sDay, Saint Patrick's Day, Thanksgiving,
heck if you do. If youyou don't really want to do Christmas,

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do you want to come into work? You want to really go for a
full boycott? Why not? Youdon't want to do it, don't do
it, and no one should behassling you for not participating or for participating.
This person said, I mean hedid not leave the Republican Party.
She supposedly discovered that it never nevertook when she attempted to do so at

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the Secretary of State site. Decidedto say, do you know any truth
behind that? Okay, so shetried to quit her Bokublican Party, but
she's back and I'm sticking around too. I tell you what, when the
fever breaks, there's going to beneeded some people to help rebuild. And
I agree with most of the oldprinciples of the Republican Party, free trade,

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strong military, personal responsibility. I'mwith Ross did a great piece on
his show last Hour talking about howeveryone should pay a little bit of tax,
even if you don't make much.Just paying a little put a tax
keeps your skin in the game.You are. You're not going to be
one of those people who's like,well, I don't pay any taxes.
I don't care what they spend iton. If you pay a little bit,

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it's a recognition that you're part ofthings. You're using the roads,
you're using the sewage system, you'reusing the water system, you're you know,
the police, the public library,the public schools. All of these
things have value. You are contributing. You need to pay attention to how
they're being managed. If you're not, you're not paying any taxes. It's

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almost like you're not part of it. You're not part of it. So
I'm with him, unless you areout of work super I mean you're super
super broke, or you know,you could there are people in very difficult
circumstances. But otherwise I think yougot to pay a little bit. You
got to pay a little bit,and the more politicians rig the tax code

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so that certain percentage of people neverpay, and then other people pay far
more than their fair share. Idon't think that that keeps unity. I
think that causes resentment. You canend up with a receiver class of people
who never pay in but always getbenefits. They start to get a sense

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of entitlement. Those who do payget a sense of resentment. I would
like to go back to where wehave certain core functions, those core functions
that are done well, roads,parks, libraries, et cetera, and
that everything else is expected to befunded by charity, community groups and individuals.

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You know. I think then youwould have a lot less entitlement and
a lot less resentment. You wouldhave a lot less power at the government
level and a lot less at stakeevery time we have an election. Literally,
they would become a lot less ofa big deal. Just finished a
book, a really great biography aboutGrover Cleveland, kind of along these same

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lines. A guy that really believesthat we do a few core things,
we do them well, but wedon't just throw money out there and buy
votes with programs. Great president whoknew this is Christy k For I'm sitting
in for Andy Connell and you're listeningto eight fifty koa. We'll be back
in a jiff again. I'm notpro pride months, but this email going

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out from the Colorado GOP was justegregiously hateful. This is Christy k F.
I'm sitting in Mandy Connell. SomehowI veered into taxation. So if
we took a couple of interesting taxfrom that, this person says taxes are
here to enslave the population. Youknow, I actually don't mind paying some
taxes for things that are of value. I'm glad we have an army.

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I'm glad we protect, you know, protect our country from being invaded.
I'm glad we have police. I'mglad that we have parks. I really
love the library. I'm a bigreader. I love the library. I
love nice streets. There's just alot of really good things that government funds.
I just wish it only funded thosethings and would tax everyone, even

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just a little tiny bit for thoseservices, because they're of value. And
when people don't pay taxes, Iguess I said, specify, don't pay
payroll taxes. The reason I'm specifyingthis is that somebody did text in and
say that everyone pays taxes. Yes, if you go to the store,
you're gonna pay sales tax. Thereare tax right now, basically government taxes

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everything. I would like to seefewer taxes, you know, keep it
lean, fund those core things,you know. I don't have a problem
with funding education, obviously, policeparks, things like that I have.
I am happy to pay for mentalinstitutions for people who are unable to live

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without serious twenty four hour care.Those are people who cannot care for themselves.
It's not the question of somebody whodoesn't want to work. It's somebody
who can't work because of a mentaldisability, or somebody who can't work because
of a serious physical of disability,or maybe some who can't work full time

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or make a living wage. Saythe guy that you know only can work
twenty hours a week being a greeterat Walmart. I'm happy to chip in
for that person. What I don'twant to chip in for is people who
choose not to work, choose tolive off of other people. As much
as it's for my sake as fortheir sake. There's a lot of dignity,

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indeed, I'll say it, pridein working and providing for your family,
and anything that comes in the wayof that, anything that's an incentive
to not do that, is anincentive to steer a person towards a life
that really isn't worth living, alife in which somebody is not providing for
themselves, providing for their family.Work is key to happiness. To happiness,

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this person says, a Great Pyreneesthat loves bacon, what's not to
love? Steve, Thank you,Steve. I do love Bacon. I
love all dogs, but I'm reallykind of a big dogs person. And
right now I'm watching a dogs.My beloved dog, Bacon, her name
was Bacon, passed away a yearago, and so I'm watching a Shepherd
husky that shed so much I actuallythink she's made of fur, Like I

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don't think there's actually anything else tothat dog. Talk shed some, but
she's such a delightful dog. Ilove big dogs and anything mixed with a
shepherd, a guarding breed, ora hurting breed. I just I love
Great Pyrenees, but Shepherd's that's wheremy heart is, and shepherd mixes.
I also love pit bulls. Isaw the funniest thing and we'll get back

(32:19):
to something serious. You only gotabout another mint and a half before we
hit the break. It's hilarious.Maybe I think I got it off of
Facebook so I can't repost it ontoTwitter. My Twitter account is at Chris
da Kaefer. But it's pit bullsversus chihuahua's and it has you know,
They've got the pit bull and they'resmooching on his face and poking his face
and poking his ears and doing allthese things. And of course the pit

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bulls, like, I just loveyou man right tries to do any of
those things. Do the chihuahua,you know, even like you know,
they bathed the pit bull and they'relike telling him off, and he's like,
yeah, he just got bad.He's all all sweet. They do
this any of those things that thechihuahua, the chihuahua goes nuts and it's
like fighting and bite and biting,and I don't know. I hope you

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can find it if you're on Facebook, if I find it on YouTube,
but it is well worth it.Love. I love piples, I love
shepherds. I just think these aregreat dogs. Of course, Great Pyrenees
is a truly truly great dog.There was I'll end with this, I
promise back to substance in the secondhour. But there was a Great Pyrenees

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and he was just the young guys, only eighteen months old. A group
of coyotes attacked the sheep. Hewent berserkly. He was there with another
Great Pyrenees, went crazy killed Ithink seven out of nine of them.
He was missing for two days,probably because he was so injured he couldn't
get back, and eventually he madeit back. It's all like bitten up.

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But can you believe that? Imean, yeah, great Pyrenees is
one hundred and twenty pound dog andcoyotes are thirty to forty pound dogs wild
dogs. But still that is onebrave Pyrenees and it gets the award for
best guard Dog. He was agood boy. This is Christa Kafer And
yeah we get back. We willjump into somebody textas say, well,

(34:08):
can't you can't you call out?Can't you call out democrats doing bad stuff?
On wan a slow wig. Yes, I'm kind of one of those
equal opportunity people, but this timeI actually like what a Democrat is doing,
and so I'll give her a fewkudos, but mostly it's against.
It's against this ranked this ranked choicevoting I dive into that. I hate

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it. I hate it. Ihate it. This is Christa Kayfer,
and I love eight point fifty koa. Normally, if you hear his voice,
I'm subbing for obviously Mandy, forRoss or for others, and I'm
normally normally a silent influencer in thesense that I'm a Denver Post columnist.
You can got a Denver Post dotcomic check out, but you can also

(34:54):
go over to my sub stack.I've been Christa kay for and become a
subscriber. You could pick them upthere. I have a paid subscription,
an unpaid subscription. You just wantto read my columns, you can do
it for free. If you wantsomething else on occasion, you can subscribe.
Yeah, so a little sugar myway, I'd appreciate that. I
also I told my friend and heis a producer. His name is Zerod.

(35:20):
I said I would give my littleaccents occasional mic time. So yes,
in addition to being able to stubon the air, I can also
do a couple of accents, andthat, of course is my Russian accent.
And I don't know, I couldprobably do the whole show in it,
but I don't know, I don'tknow that everybody would stay tuned in.
I don't know. I can onlyget so much of this. You

(35:40):
know, at some point people wouldsay, this is not what I tuned
in for. Anyway, I teasedbefore that we're talking a little bit about
ranked choice voting and why I hateit. I hate it, and you're
going to have people try to sellit to you and be like, this
is great, it's going to buildconsensus. No, it's going to make

(36:00):
things confusing and your vote may notcount. That's the problem with rank choice
voting. I also hate the initiativeprocess, and I'm going to winge about
it just for a moment. Iknow everybody's like, but what it's direct
voting. You know what direct democracyis. Direct democracy is two wolves and
a cow deciding what's for dinner.The reason that we are a republic,

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and yes, we have a democracyin the sense that we choose our representatives.
We have a republic, not adirect democracy, because republics have rules,
checks and balances that protect minority populations. Good example is this, there
are more people living along the urbancorridor than there are people on the eastern

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slopes or the western mountains. Sothe population goes right down the front range.
So can you can imagine is thatmost of those districts, now a
lot of the districts go right downthe front range. That's for all the
population is. And yet we've gotgroups whose life and lifestyle and jobs very

(37:08):
very important, but there's not asmany of them numerically. In a representative
democracy, right, those people getequal representation. Whether we're talking the electoral
college, that's one way to doit. Whether we're talking the prerogatives that
you know, say people in theminority in terms of representatives or senators in

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the minority some of their prerogatives,like the Philipuster, whether we're talking agencies
that absolutely have to have representation fromminority populations. In this case of the
minority population I'm talking about is ruralColorados. In a republic, rural people,

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different kinds of minority populations do havesome protection. And a direct democra
is all about what that fifty plusone once when we're talking about wolves and
I use that example on purpose,two wolves and a cow deciding what is

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for dinner. When we have directdemocracy and it comes down to fifty plus
one, fifty percent of the voteplus one the rights of minority populations no
longer matter. It is now withthe majority ONTs and what they want and
when they want it. And inthis case, the majority said we want

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wolves reintroduced into this state. Andnow we have ten dead cows calves,
I should say, and I getit. I've had venison and I've had
I've had calf. Yeah, acalf is better. Yeah it is venison.
Venison is not bad, but babycow is better, and from the

(38:58):
wolf's point of view, a slower, a lot easier to catch. Of
course they're going to take that over, running after cows and not cows deer
another faster prey. I get it. But the rural part of the state
was not represented because it was determined. It was decided by by by direct

(39:24):
democracy. I would get rid ofthe entire initiative process and I would throw
out with it everything that was votedfor it, including the stuff I like.
I think we have represent representative governmentflawed as it is for a reason.
When we have direct democracy and peoplecan just vote how they feel without
having to account for costs and benefits, we end up with wolves. We

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end up with a light reel thatnobody uses. We end up with a
family leave program that'll be bankrupt inthe next couple of years. We end
up with a lot of bad things, end up with some bad things with
representative government. But here's the deal. Those people are held to account to
one degree or another in the nextvote. The person who votes for an

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initiative is never held to account forthat bad vote. Every single one of
those people who voted for wolf freeintroduction, they're not going to be held
to accounted. They're not going tohave to account for the fact that there
are ten at least for now.Anyway, there's ten dead cows and possibly
where we might even say things likelower birth rates and other issues with stock

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all around the state as wolf populationsincrease and those animals are hassled, may
end up with more miscarriages, mayend up with lower birth rates, human
up with other things as well,health issues regarding stock simply because of the
presence of wolves, and those wolvesare here because of direct democracy. I
would get rid of the initiative processin a heartbeat. It is a pipeline

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or bad ideas. Here's somebody who'slike ten cows, my god, it's
going to leave to a state whitebeef shortage. You know what, I
tell you what, Why don't youwalk outside your your house and see one
of the animals that you have have, have raised, have taken care of,
and look at that animal and seateviscerated, and you know, you

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may not have a lot of compassionfor the rancher, have compassion for the
ranch dog that gets killed by wolves, because I tell you what, a
ranch dog will deter mountain lion becausemountain lions don't want to handle I don't
want to. They will kill dogs. But they generally, speaking of a
bunch of a bunch of Great Pyreneesor at acbashes or whatever, you've a

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bunch of different working dogs, they'regonna shy away from it. Coyotes that
could be pretty easily killed by dogs, but a pack of wolves is like,
look, it's an appetizer, andthey'll kill your dogs. So if
you're not sad about that rancher,those ranchers losing, those cows coming out
to see eviscerated calves, have alittle compassion for what's next on the menu.

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It's their dogs. I'm a bigdog lover, big dog lover,
big big horse lover as well.If you know anyone that needs a you
need somebody to ride their horse forthem, because maybe they're out of town
too much or not able to ride. Here in the Denver metro area,
I could pick up the slack Westernor English. I don't know. It's
just like a little sales advertisement formyself. There didn't mean it to be

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that way, so as you couldtell, I don't like the initiative process.
I don't like direct democracy. Ilike representative government, flawed as it
is, because we're all human beings. Those legislators are not any better than
any of us. But there aresystems in place to ensure that minority populations

(42:49):
are representative and have and have somevoice. Right besides fifty percent plus one,
they have a little more measure ofbeing able to defend their interests.
I also think it's pretty easy tosell people on bad ideas when they don't
think they have to pay for them. Hey, you know, these wolves

(43:12):
are not going to be in yourbackyard, but they're going to be over
there. Don't worry about it.Oh yeah, you don't have to write.
Who doesn't want a free, beautifullight rail? I watch the light
rail pass where I walk the dog. There's almost nobody in it, you
know, And then I hear about, you know, people getting hassle,
people doing drugs. I'm not sayingthat light rail isn't a good thing.

(43:37):
It certainly is a good thing insome cities. If you're going to ask
people, do you want just wanta free thing, they say yes.
They don't realize that, I think, and I'm just going to top the
top of my head, it is. It is ninety percent. Maybe subsidized
light rail means that you're paying forit even though you're not using it.

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Light Rail is what people wish otherpeople people we're taking when they're stuck in
traffic right when I'm driving my car, because I don't. I work in
different places at different times, theycannot use the light rail or the bus.
I'm sitting in traffic. I'm wishingother people were using light rail,
but I'm not wishing that. I'mnot wishing myself to be taking public transit.

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So yeah, I would get away. I would get away from from
the initiative. Rank choice voting islikely to show up in the ballot this
November, and ranked choice voting isgoing to be sold to you as an
answer to polarization. They're going tobe like, look, we're going to
build consensus. It's going to bea good thing. And I'm not saying
there isn't some you know, somevalue to that argument. On its face,

(44:46):
it does look like it could leadto more consensus building. It can
look like, oh yeah, nobodygot their first pick, but we all
love the second pick. Well,here's the deal. There's a reason why
Alaska is rethinking having ranked choice voting, and the kind of system that the

(45:07):
millionaire that's backing it wants us totake is what Alaska has an open primary,
so no more Democrat Republican primaries.If an open primary, anybody can
be there. I could know myname in the ring. Anybody can throw
their hat in the ring, andthen four will advance once they get there.

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Then we go to ranked choice voting. See everybody ranks who they like
to take. Your first pick,second pick, third pick, fourth pick,
and if your first person doesn't meetthe cutoff going into round two,
you'll hit your votes. Then goto the second person that you picked,
and so forth, and it goesthrough these cycles. It's confusing, and

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yeah, I could see we're inbest case scenario, we could all Coombaya
around our second choice. What itcould mean, though, is that everyone's
last choice shows up as the winner, and everyone's like, who's that?
Or here's what could happen. Let'ssay there's four people to vote on,
and I don't like two of themat all, and I don't like most

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politicians. So let's say I endup picking the two that Let's say I
put a nice example in here.I'm gonna find my example. Let's say
we have I'll pull up my examplein a bit. Where's that example?
All right, don't get it later. Let's say I don't like anybody.
I don't like anybody that's there.Just maybe I liked one of those people,

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or maybe two of those people,So I pick one or two people.
Let's say here's my example. Let'ssay it's hicken Looper, Gardner,
Ganall and Johnson, Mike Johnston,Johnston, the those are wore. I
just pick those four people, notbecause they're running, but because we would
recognized who they are. Right.So, Hicky Looper is now a senator,

(46:59):
was Denver's mayor, state's governor.Corey Gardner was a senator previously a
representative. Heidigan All ran for governor, and Mike Johnston is the mayor of
Denver. Let's say they all wantto be the next the next senator,
right, one of them party isa senator. But just throw that aside.

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I just picked four names of peoplewe would all recognize if somebody said,
you're gonna do ranked choice voting onthese four people. I am not
going to vote for Hickenlooper. Ilike him personally, I think he was
a good governor, but I'm notvoting for him at all. I'm not
even going to give him fourth choice. I'm not going to give him any
choice. I think Mike Johnston isa nice guy, the mayor of Denver,

(47:44):
and he's a thoughtful person. ButI'm not going to vote for him
either, mostly because I don't votefor anyone who's not pro life. It's
a personal thing. I don't expecteverybody else to have. It is just
a personal thing. I don't votefor election deniers, and I don't vote
for people who aren't pro life.And you gotta have some character. I'm
not voting for people who don't havecharacter. Those are my three litmus tests.

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And everyone's like, you can't havea litmus test, face it,
you have one too everybody's got one. Mostly it's a party. Most people
vote their party ticket. That's yourlitmus test, totally respected, that's your
thing, this is my thing.And so I'm not voting for hick and
Loop or Johnston because they're not prolife. So that leaves Gardner and Ganal.
So let's say I pick Gardner ismy first guy and Ganall is my

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second person, and I turn myballot in. Well, let's say that
neither Gardner nor Ganal end up inthe final round in which it comes down
to Hickenlooper and Johnston, which wouldbe likely because this is a blue state.
What happens to what happens to myballot, It gets thrown in the
trash. Seriously, if you don'tin that four person multiple round runoff,

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if you don't pick contenders that willend up in the FIUND, they throw
your ballot out. Now, theydon't call it that, They call it
ballot exhaustion. I call it throwingyour ballot in the trash. And that's
exactly what they will do with rankedchoice voting. And you can end up,
you can end up not having avoice at all, you can end

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up or you can end up withsome random person that no one really wanted,
but he was like choice number threeor four, and somehow he ended
up there, and everyone's like,well, what happened to the top people?
Sorry, they didn't end up.They didn't end up in the final
round, so they didn't end upwinning. And that's why a number of
jurisdictions that have tried ranked choice votinghave decided to ditch it right now.

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Alaska has it, first tried itin twenty twenty two. There's a repeal
on the ballot. Oregon and Nevadathey're going to decide this fall off there.
They want it. Idaho it gotit, got put in by the
by the legislat, but it's lookinglike the people are going to try to
repeal it. UH. Missouri hasa referendum to ban it. Maine uses

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it for some of its elections ina various cities New York City, San
Francisco, Minneapolis, UH, theyall have it. And then a number
of states Louisiana, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Kentucky have banned it. There
is a possibility we will see acouple of different ballot initiatives, one to
ban it and one to put itin place. I will be voting for

(50:30):
the one to ban it. Ihate I hate ranked toy, ranked choice
voting. I just think it's it'sa bad idea. I have mixed feelings.
I'm not sure I want to banit for any city that wants to
do it, I just want toban it. I don't want it.
I don't want it done at thestate level. So we'll see, but
I'm definitely not going to vote forit. I think it's a bad idea,

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and uh, I'm not doing it. So uh. A lot of
people, a lot of people findthat once they put it into place,
that they simply don't like it.Burlington, Vermont. I know, if
you've ever been to Burlington. Onetime I was in Burlington, Vermont and
I witnessed a beer snatching back innineteen nineteen ninety three, went to see

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the ball drop in the Big Applein New York City, went up to
Burlington, Vermont, cut across Canadaand came back one of those college road
trips, and I'd seen multiple crimeshappen before my eyes in New York City.
In Burlington, Vermont, I sawpeople running kind of in like deep
was running like in slow motion becausethey were in deep snow. One guy

(51:39):
had stolen a six pack of beerfrom another guy. The other guy was
running after him and yelling. Ithink we had come to a stoplight and
witnessed the beer snatching happening right beforeus. But Burlington, Vermont, they
tried it and decided to ditch itafter a third party. Canada, a
random person nobody knew who they wereended up being the mayor, even though

(52:05):
he was not the first choice ofthree fourths of the people voting. So
you can end up not with consensus, but with some random person that nobody
really wanted, but they just checkedthe box. I think ranked choice voting
is a very very bad idea,and think of it in this state.
If we end up with Hick andLooper, Gardner, Ganall, and Johnston.

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If you're anything like me, youonly voted for Gardner and Ganaal they
don't make the final round. Thatmeans your vote, your ballot goes in
the trash, and I don't wantthat. I don't want my ballot going
into the trash, So I'm goingto vote no one knows. I will
give a little shout out in thenext minute and a half to Representative Amy
Saroda she's a liberal Democrat. Idon't agree with her on anything. I

(52:53):
know her husband a little bit.He's someone that wrote that fabulous satire don't
look up the funniest satire I've everseen, brilliant, brilliant movie. And
he's always been nice to me.I understand it's kind of a reputation for
not being nice, particularly if you'reon the left. But his wife put

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forth an amendment saying, hey,if we get a state wide ranked choice
voting, it only goes into effectafter twelve jurisdictions have tried it. And
the reason I supported is this,you're going to go with that kind of
wholesale change, we need to makesure that it works and that people like
it before we go big, becauseit is complicated and it is going to

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be a burden on our county clerks, and so I appreciate. I know
she's getting a lot of heat left, mostly on the left, but also
on the right. I say,way to go, Representative Serota, you
know, But of course my biasis this. I don't want ranked choice
voting. I don't want initiatives.I don't want a referenda want I want

(53:55):
processes that allow people to speak intothe system, but require the vetting of
proposals, as opposed to, Hey, let's just try this thing out because
you know it looks fun. It'snot going to be fun if we try
it out. And we're kind ofto the end of this segment and interesting

(54:16):
texts coming in five six, sixnine oh. On rank choice voting,
on like this, Prince says,I agree with you. Ranked choice voting.
It's a scam, thanks Greg,And I guess man, this Princess
Mandy likes it. That's cool.Mandy's a good person. I don't agree
on everything, but I tell youwhat I do agree with, and that's

(54:37):
a rod saying you gotta take abreak. I agree. This is Christy
Kafer. I'm sitting in for MandyConnell. You're listening to eight fifty KOA.
Got some great stuff coming over thetext line at five, six,
six, nine to oh, sowe've been I got up on my soapbox.
I cannot stand the initiative process.Then I went off about ranked choice

(54:58):
voting, which I also dislike.I did, yeah, I did mention
that I love dogs and horses,so it's not like I'm all negative Nelly.
But somebody wrote a really good text, and it said, let's see,
it's a really interesting one. Chris. So using this philosophy isn't your
presidential vote? Because I talked alittle bit about litmus tests as well.
Can I back up for a second? So litmus tests, we all have

(55:21):
them. Most people vote party,that's your litmus tests. Mine is,
yeah, I generally vote Republican,but I don't vote for people who are
election deniers. And I don't votefor people who are pro life or not
pro life. So you got tobe pro life, not an election denier,
and you got to have some character. In the past, I've been
willing, I was willing to votefor people of dubious character if they met
my other litmus tests, like theywere Republican, pro life, you know.

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But now I'm like, nope,nope, nope, nope, you
gotta have some character. And II'm not going to get into why,
but character matters. I just Ijust finished Grover Cleveland biography on Grover Cleveland,
and I cannot recommend it enough.Guy that wrote its name is cenic
like old. This summer is toread a book a week. I'm not

(56:05):
sure if I could pull it off. This book was like three hundred pages,
but it's an easy read. It'sreally good. Talks about his character,
it is. It's just it's areally really good book. He was
a man of character, a manwho believed that that he instead of putting
partisanship first, he put country first, he put the voter first. He's

(56:28):
it was, you know, he'salso kind of a libertarian guy. Libertarian.
It's not how he would have describedhimself because I don't think we used
that word back then. But greatbook. So just on the table.
Those are my those are my litmustests. It's okay if you have a
different Limus test, totally okay.Maybe you're a farmer and you only vote
for people who are proag Hey,that's great. Whatever, whatever issue is

(56:50):
important to you, you are freeto have whatever litmus test you have,
and you're free to vote for whomeveryou want to vote for. I'm not
going to judge, So you're youdo with it, with you what you
want. Don't let anyone brow beatyou into not voting for the person you
want to vote for, because somebodywill. There's always somebody who gets really
upset when you say, hey,I'm going to do this. They're like,

(57:12):
what the country's going to go downin flames. Well, no,
I've been around for enough enough electionsto know that the country didn't go down
in flames. I didn't think thatthe Obama presidency was a particularly positive thing,
but the country did not go downin flames. Trump presidency. Trump,
You know, the country did notgo down in flames. Everybody always

(57:34):
wants to say, like fear shouldbe the main motivator when you walk into
the ballot, Well, I guesswe don't walk it in anywhere. When
you fill out your ballot, peoplethink, well, you can motivate that
person by saying that the world willcome to an end. This is the
most important election of our lifetime Ihave. I've yet to see that come
true. And now that I'm old, I can look back over i've been

(57:57):
My first was do Caucus versus GeorgeW. Bush first presidential election. I
have yet to see the country likego belly up after an election. So
don't let anyone browbeat you. Youdo what is right for you. This
person, says christ is Lauren Bobert, an individual of high character. I'm
gonna go with no on that one. Her little all hands on deck moment

(58:21):
at the playhouse. Not exactly acharacter thing. And she lies about people.
Don't lie, it's lame. Justtell the truth. No, I
think she is not a person ofcharacter. Let's see this person said,
let's see. Okay, using thisphilosophy, isn't your presidential vote against the
Republican candidate just handing it back toBiden for another four years. One thing,

(58:45):
I'm not voting for Trump or Biden. I'm not voting for either of
them. If you want to votefor either them, that's okay. I'm
not going to browbeat you or shameyou or whatever. You want to vote
for Trump, vote for Trump.You want to vote for Biden, vote
for Biden. I have friends thatare Republicans who vote for one or the
other, or they're sitting this oneout. I'm going to be writing in
either Ben sass or Larry Hogan.Larry Hogan is running for running for Senator

(59:13):
of Maryland. Maryland's a blue statemuch like Colorado. He had been the
governor, and he's just a fantastichuman being. And there's really three different
ways to approach an election of vote. Okay, and we'll finished out this
hour with this. Certainly you cantext me you have thoughts five six six,
N I know. So there's theMike Rosen angle, and Mike's super

(59:34):
smart guy. I know him,a little bit, very smart. He
was on Kawah for a long time. He's a party not person guy.
His thing is, Hey, you'rea Republican. It doesn't matter if the
choice is kind of lame. Youdon't agree with this person, maybe they
don't have good character, maybe youpersonally like the other person better. You
always vote party not person, becausein the end they are going to forward

(59:55):
your interests more so than and aDemocrat. Here's why I have a problem
with that. A bad Republican,a really bad Republican is makes the party
look bad and actually can cause backlashlater. I think they cannot continue to
put people up there that are anembarrassment to the party. We need to

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forward quality candidates, and we needto vote for for quality candidates. That
said, there's a lot of truthin what he said, and he's a
very it's a very strong argument argument. Then there's the lesser of two evils
argument, which is, yeah,this person sucks and this person sucks,
but this person sucks more. SoI'm going to go with these suck less
part person, and I know anumber of people who will be voting for

(01:00:45):
Trump along those lines. I alsoknow people who really like Trump, and
that's fine too. But if Iknow people who don't like him, but
they're like, he's not as badas Biden, I'm going to vote for
Trump. I also know people whofor them the lesser of two evils is
Biden. I know Republicans and Democratswho are like, yeah, not my
guy, not not a fan,but I'm gonna go ahead and vote for
Biden. And again, you youdo, you do what you need to

(01:01:09):
do. I think there's some someunderstanding. I think that that particular line
of reasoning is is pretty solid.Right, we only have two choices.
Pick one, pick the lesser pick, you know, weigh it out and
decide. I think this is betterwhether it comes to immigration or the economy.
Trump is better than Biden. Iwill say that he's much better when

(01:01:30):
it comes to judicial picks. Soin the lesser of two arguments, lesser
of two evils, I think youcan make a positive art. You could
also say, hey, Biden,hasn't you know, fomented insurrection? He
doesn't daily tweet Kafifi at people.He's the lesser of two evils. I
think you can make an argument thatway as well. I have a completely

(01:01:51):
different approach, and mine is isthat in a representative government, I am
picking someone who represents me. Andif there is no one who represents me
at all, I mean not evento a small degree, I got to
write somebody in that person is representingme. So because I'm only responsible for

(01:02:12):
me. One of my favorite quotesI love John Quincy Adams, he was
our our sixth president. Something likethat related to John Adams, one of
the one of the founders, andhis says, duty as ours, the
results belonging to God. That wasone of my Actually had that pinned up
when I worked at Big Think Tank. I had that pinned on the wall

(01:02:34):
because it reminded me that I'm notresponsible for the results. I'm responsible for
acting honorably and intelligently for me.And again, this is for me.
This is a person who represents me. I'm not going to tell you how
you want to be represented. IfTrump represents you or Biden represents you,
and you're comfortable with that, that'sokay too. It's just I'm not comfortable

(01:02:58):
with having either of those people representme. I don't and know, if
you don't vote at all, you'renot handing the other person of victory because
you're not voting for them. You'rejust not You're just sitting that part out.
And then I will be voting allof the down ticket races. So
I hope that provides some clarity.That's kind of how I see it.
There's there's and I would say there'sgood logic behind all three of these,
you know, the party not person, the microsion method, the lesser of

(01:03:22):
two evils method, and the heywho represents me? Who represents me?
And I want it to be aperson of character. And in the past
I voted for somebody who was nota person of character, and I felt
a little regretful ever since. Tobe honest, I want to keep it,
you know. And I'm not I'mnot looking for perfect. I'm not
perfect. I'm just looking for decent. All right, we'll hit some of

(01:03:45):
your texts when we get back.We're talking about how do you choose how
to vote? I think it's important. It's important to have a just have
a method and stick with it,or don't stick with it, change it
up and do something else. Upto you. This is Christy Kaye Fer.
I'm sitting in from Connell and thisis a fifty k awa patty.
You select a candidate, you know, especially if you don't particularly like either

(01:04:08):
of them. And I got acouple of interesting texts coming out. Let's
see. One person says, whatabout voting for issues and policies to resolve
those issues like the border? Ithink that is uh. I think that's
fair. People have issues they carea lot about and they want they want
to vote for somebody who will takemore action in the direction that they desire.

(01:04:30):
Another person said they wanted to remindme that the the president does not
control the the economy. That istrue. It is the free market.
It is the decisions of millions ofpeople. It's a beautiful thing. I
love the free market. It's it'ssupply and demand, it's all kinds of
things. But I will say this, the last couple of presidents Bush,

(01:04:53):
Trump, Obama and Biden all bigspenders. And what happens when you push
the cun tree into a thirty twotrillion dollar debt? Okay, a couple
of couple of repercussions on that whenyou and you take a lot of money,
borrow a lot of money, printit up and throw it into the
economy. You are going to getinflation. How does that work? Well,

(01:05:15):
let's just give you a kind ofsimplified example. Let's say one dollar
equals one banana. Right, it'sone to one relationship. And so this
is a simple example. It's economicsone on one. We're not going to
go super heavy into that dismal science, to the dismal science. But we
got one banana, one dollar,and I throw a ton of bananas into

(01:05:36):
into the market. Maybe there's justa lot of that trees produced a ton
a ton of bananas. So nowit's one dollar to two bananas, right,
because there's a ton of bananas,So one dollar equals two bananas.
Right. Let's say instead I throwa ton of money into the market.
I printed up and then I handit out and all kinds of little you

(01:05:58):
know, COVID checks, and Ihanded out to businesses, and I handed
out to all these different people.So I now have a lot of money.
Just like throwing a lot of bananasin, I throw a lot of
cash in now instead of that oneone on one relationship, one banana for
one dollar. Now one dollar buysyou a half a banana. Now you
have to have two bananas, Imean two dollars to get a full banana.

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Yeah, think about that. Sothat that used to be that,
you know, you could get agallon of milk for what two dollars and
fifty cents. Now it's almost fivedollars. There's a reason for that.
It's because the government has thrown aton of money, printed up a whole
bunch of money. Was like,yeah, we could borrow from the future.

(01:06:40):
It's not a big deal. We'reonly we're only twenty trillion dollars in
debt. Let's go for thirty twotrillion. Let's just go for broke.
Literally, they printed up a wholelot of money. They threw it out
there through all these different you know, grants and titlements, checks, et
cetera. Now we have a lotmore money chasing these goods. There's a
couple other factors too, but therewho is at the helm does matter in

(01:07:03):
terms of president and Congress. Theproblem is is that there is nobody running
that I know of for the forthat president role anyway that says, you
know what, thirty two trillion dollarsis an issue, and I'm going to
do something about it, and thetwo people who are running have actually made

(01:07:23):
things worse. Something to keep inmind, something to keep in mind.
Some person's like, get bored,Well, then why are you listening?
And why are you listening? Yourfingers broke, your radio's broke, you
can't reach across it or in thechannel. Yeah, all right, all
right. Another person says, well, why can't you just call out some

(01:07:45):
bad Democrats? Why don't uh,why can't the same be said of a
bad Democrat ruining the party? BecauseI had said that bad Republicans look bad
for the for the Republican Party.So to bad Democrats, I mean,
I'm thinking, I'm thinking about you. Hank Johnson of Georgia, the guy
who said during a hearing that hewas worried that the island, the Island

(01:08:11):
of Guam, would tip over iftoo many American troops got on the island.
Like it was an inner tube,like it was a ship, like
it was a boat, like itwas a dinghy. It was an island
island Soon chi islands don't tip over, So yeah, Hank, Hank Johnson

(01:08:31):
that there's a recording of that videoof him, and it's still out there,
and every time it airs, itmakes it. It doesn't ruin the
party. It makes him look bad. Think about other Democrats. Think about
Bill Clinton and his you know,I think i'll uh, you know,
get a little special bonus from myintern. Think about Gavin Newsom, practically

(01:08:54):
a communist, and the guy islike, everybody should wear a mask,
but me, everyone should uh sociallyisolate. But I'm going to go to
this party. Think about aoc.Anytime that woman opens her mouth, she
makes the Democrat party look bad.You know, how about Anthony Wiener?
All right? I mean they onlyhave about thirty more seconds in this block,

(01:09:16):
otherwise I'd be busting into the Wienerjokes. Yes, bad Democrats make
Democrats look bad. Bad Republicans makeRepublicans look bad. I'm just thinking that
in a country of what three hundredand fifty million, that we might be
able to do better than these people, maybe like people who make each party

(01:09:36):
look good, you know, youknow, and it could be like a
battle of ideas. Eh naw,This is Christa Kaifer. I'm sitting in
for Mandy Connell. You're listening toeight fifty k away. If you're just
tuning in, you can normally checkme out. I'm at the Denver Post.
I write a column there on Sundays. I also have a sub stack,

(01:09:58):
and some people are like, whatthe heck's of stubs subs. I
don't know why they picked the wordsubstack. It's weird. But if you
go to substack dot com and typein christy Ka for both with ks,
you could actually read my column thereposts about four to five days after my
column posts in the Denver Post,And if you become a paid subscriber,
get some of my little longer alittle longer, my longer form stuff,

(01:10:18):
which is kind of fun. Idon't know if you like stuff that's different,
you know, what can I say? So? I've been talking a
little bit about rank choice voting,talking a little bit about Dave Williams and
the fact that hopefully the Central Committeeis coming to its senses and given him

(01:10:38):
the boot right. Also, Iwanted to touch on some of the remaining
cases with the Supreme Court, butI because I was talking a little about
voting and how you figure out whoto vote for, especially when you don't
like both candidates, what do youdo? It was pretty pretty interesting.
So if you really want to stilltext me on that you can five six

(01:10:58):
six, And I know I alsomentioned in the first hour things that are
dumbgerous, So dumbgerous is a combinationof dumb and dangerous. And my young
friend who's twelve, very bright child. I came up with that one day
and she's like, Christy, useit in a column. Or maybe I
just said, yeah, I wasgoing to use it in a column.
I haven't had a chance yet,so I'm using it on the air.
But things that are dumb and dangerousat the same time, like this guy,

(01:11:24):
a kid, you nod he wasat the zoo this last week,
so as he wants a selfie whena lion hops in the pen and the
lion kills him. Or how arethese people that walk up to moose,
elk or bison and are like,I'm to get a selfie and then they
end up getting gored, Like duh, it's not a cow or a sheep.

(01:11:46):
I will say this though. SoI met this country restaurant in North
Carolina and with my with my niecewho who's fourteen. It's two years ago,
so she would have been twelve,and they have all this you know,
you've got ducks, they've got rabbits, they've got all kinds of chickens.
We want to go out there andsee it. And she's like,
yeah, stay away from the greenrooster. He's mean. And I was

(01:12:09):
like, I've been around mean roostersbefore. How mean can something get?
This rooster was like iridescent green blackwith iridescent green shine. Beautiful. And
I tell you what, those spursthere's a reason that they're used in cockfighting.
That thing hopped up and stabbed mein the thighs with his spurs before

(01:12:33):
he got it quinted with my foot. It was a powerful rooster. So
yeah, occasionally there are times whenI'm like, people like, don't do
that, and I'm like, no, now I have to go see that
rooster. But it does seem tome like common sense that we do not
approach an animal that is, youknow, a couple thousand pounds a bison,

(01:12:54):
a moose, an elk. Theseare large, large animals with horns.
And when I was in Alaska,I wasn't worried about wolves or bears.
I was because it was it wasbreeding season, or I should say
calving season. The cows had theircalves. These cow moose moose is the

(01:13:15):
size of a big horse and amama moose will kill you. Friend of
mine that had a moose chase himfor five hours in which he was hiding
under things and trying to get away, and she was like, no,
you you gave my calf a dirtylook and I'm going to kill you.
That is the attitude of a cowmoose. So these dingbats, these dumgerous

(01:13:40):
dingbats, dumb and dangerous. It'severy year this time. This time of
year, people were heading up toWyoming, heading up to titans, heading
up to Yellowstone, heading out intowestern Colorado, and they're like, look,
it's bison herd. I'm gonna getmy picture taken. I mean,
if you want a Darwin Award,I guess they go for it. So

(01:14:04):
these are things that are dumbgerous.I would love to tell my friend,
my young friend Amelia, that Iwas able to use her a fantastic new
word. And you can introduce anykind of words you want into the English
language. You know, just gotto find a way to get that ball
rolling. So I still have afew things left coming up with the Supreme
Court. As you know, theyare done ruling by the end of June.

(01:14:28):
They take a break, then theycome back and they do all the
hearing. Because of the case Iwas involved, and I actually got to
hear in person a Supreme Supreme Courtoral arguments being heard. It was pretty
cool. And that's just kind ofthe tip of the iceberg, because it's
not like they just hear these thingsand rule. They and their clerks do

(01:14:48):
an enormous amount of reading. IsAmiga briefs. There are all kinds of
things that they read to prepare.They have oral arguments, they hear those
things, they ask questions. Thereason these oral arguments are so short in
a sense they go in and theyask key questions is that they have done

(01:15:09):
so much reading in advance of theseof these arguments, and then they and
there, with the help of theiraids, their clerks, they put together
these decisions and it's it's pretty Imean, I am very grateful that we

(01:15:30):
have a Supreme Court that and I'mgrateful to Donald Trump that we have a
conservative majority of six to three majority. What's interesting about that six' three
majority is that Republican nominated justices ormore likely to join Democrats than Democrats appointed
justices are to join Republicans. Thevast majority of Supreme Court decisions are unanimous

(01:15:54):
or near unanimous. But where youget these five to four decisions or six
to three decisions is it's interesting atthe sixty three, but the five to
four and other kind of interesting configurationswhere you've got multiple rulings coming out,
you know, majority but then aconcurring and that kind of thing is you're

(01:16:15):
more likely to see a conservative justicemove over and vote or rule with liberals
than you are to see liberals joiningthe conservative majority. I think that's interesting.
What that says to me is thatthey are less ideological than their Democrat

(01:16:36):
nominated counterparts. And what was interestingthe two people uh there when I was
When I was there actually in thecourtroom, which is fascinating. It's beautiful.
You're not allowed to bring your cellphone in. I don't obviously have
any pictures of it. Beautiful.There's just all of these historical characters along
the freeze up on the ceiling.It's a beautiful room. Got in there,

(01:16:59):
got to see the arguments pertaining tothe case that I was on.
The justices. They asked really toughquestions. The one I really liked,
I mean, I like Robert's Ithink he is a genteel person. But
it's it's just it's it's fascinating.It's a fascinating experience. What they've got
left is there's this is what they'vegot left. They've got the immunity case

(01:17:24):
left, and these come down atany time. They tend to rule later
in the week than the beginning ofthe week. We can still see a
ruling on Trump immunity. Ah.So now this third hour is got a
it's got a weird clock to it. So when I get back, we'll
go over these these positions. Ifif you have any other thoughts about things

(01:17:45):
that are dumbgerous, of course Iwould love a good laugh. And but
yeah, I think we need toknow basically one, two, three,
four, four or five cases thatare still big cases that require a ruling,
and we will hit those when weget back from this break. This
is Christy Kaefer. I'm sitting infor Andy Connell. You're listening to eight
fifty Koway. If you're just tuningin, you can normally check me out.

(01:18:09):
I'm at the Denver Post. Iwrite a column there on Sundays.
I also have a substack, andsome people are like, what the heck's
a stubs substack. I even knowwhy they picked the word substack. It's
weird. But if you go tosubstack dot com and type in Christy K
for both with ks, you couldactually read my column there posts about four
to five days after my column postsin the Denver Post, And if you
become a paid subscriber, get someof my little longer a little longer,

(01:18:32):
my longer form stuff, which iskind of fun. I don't know if
you like stuff that's different, youknow, what can I say? So
I've been talking a little bit aboutrank choice voting, talking a little bit
about Dave Williams and the fact thathopefully the Central Committee is coming to its
senses and given him the boot right. Also, I wanted to touch on

(01:18:56):
some of the remaining cases with thecourt, but I uh, because I
was talking a little about voting andhow you figure out who to vote for,
especially when you don't like both candidates. What do you do? It
was pretty pretty interesting. So ifyou really want to still text me on
that, you can five six six, And I know I also mentioned in
the first hour things that are dumbgerous. So dumbgerous is a combination of dumb

(01:19:20):
and dangerous, and uh, myyoung friend, she's twelve, very bright
child. I came up with thatone day and she's like, Christy,
use it in a column. Ormaybe I just said I was going to
use it in a column. Ihaven't had a chance yet, so I'm
using it on the air. Butthings that are dumb and dangerous at the
same time, Like this guy,a kid you nod he was at the

(01:19:41):
zoo this last week, SiZ hewants a selfie with a lion, hops
in the pen and the lion killshim. Or how are these people that
walk up to moose, elk orbison and are like, I make it
a selfie and then they end upgetting gored, Like duh, it's not
a ca wow or sheep. Iwill say this though. So I met

(01:20:03):
this country restaurant in North Carolina andwith my niece who who's fourteen. It's
two years ago, so she wouldhave been twelve, and they have all
this, you know, look atducks, they've got rabbits, they've got
all kinds of chickens. We wantto go out there and see it.
And she's like, yeah, stayaway from the green rooster. He's mean.

(01:20:24):
And I was like, I've beenaround mean roosters before, how mean
can something get me? This roosterwas like iridescent green black with iridescent green
shine beautiful. And I tell youwhat those spurs there's a reason that they're
used in cockfighting. That thing hoppedup and stabbed me in the thighs with

(01:20:46):
his with his spurs before he gotacquainted with my foot. It was a
powerful rooster. So yeah, occasionallythere are times when I'm like, people
like, don't do that, andI'm like, no, now I have
to go see that rooster. Butit does seem to me like common sense
that we do not approach an animalthat is, you know, a couple
thousand pounds a bison, a moose, an elk. These are large,

(01:21:13):
large animals with horns. And whenI was in Alaska, I wasn't worried
about wolves or bears. I wasbecause it was it was breeding season,
or I should say calving season.The cows had their calves. These cow
moose moose is the size of abig horse, and a mama moose will

(01:21:34):
kill you. Friend of mine thathad a moose chase him for five hours
in which he was hiding under thingsand trying to get away, and she
was like, no, you gavemy calf a dirty look and I'm going
to kill you. That is theattitude of a cow moose. So these
dingbats, these dumgerous dingbats, dumband dangerous. Every year this time,

(01:22:00):
this time of year, people wereheading up to Wyoming, heading up to
Titans, heading up to Yellowstone,heading out into western Colorado, and they're
like, look it's Spis and heardI'm gonna get my picture taken. Well,
I mean, if you want aDarwin Award, I guess they go
for it. So these are thingsthat are dumbgerous. I would love to

(01:22:23):
tell my friend, my young friendAmelia, that I was able to use
her fantastic new word and you canintroduce any kind of words you want into
the English language. You know,just got to find a way to get
that ball rolling. So we stillhave a few things left coming up with
the Supreme Court. As you know, they are done ruling by the end

(01:22:43):
of June. They take a break, then they come back and they do
all the hearing. Because of thecase I was involved in, I actually
got to hear in person a SupremeSupreme Court oral arguments being heard. It
was pretty cool. And that's justkind of the tip of the iceberg,
because it's not like they just hearthese things in rule. They and their
clerks do an enormous amount of reading. Is a mega briefs. There are

(01:23:10):
all kinds of things that they readto prepare. They have oral arguments,
they hear those things, they askquestions. The reason these oral arguments are
so short in a sense they goin and they ask key questions is that
they have done so much reading inadvance of these of these arguments. And
then they and there, with thehelp of their aids, their clerks,

(01:23:34):
they put together these decisions and it'sit's pretty I mean, I am very
grateful that we have a Supreme Courtthat and I'm grateful to Donald Trump that
we have a conservative majority of six' to three majority. What's interesting about
that six' three majority is thatRepublican nominated justices are more likely to join

(01:24:00):
Democrats then Democrat appointed justices are tojoin Republicans. The vast majority of Supreme
Court decisions are unanimous or near unanimous. But where you get these five to
four decisions or six three decisions.Is it's interesting that the six three but
the five to four and other kindof interesting configurations where you've got multiple rulings

(01:24:26):
coming out, you know, majority, but then a concurring and that kind
of thing is you're more likely tosee a conservative justice move over and vote
or rule with liberals than you areto see liberals joining the conservative majority.
I think that's interesting. What thatsays to me is that they are less

(01:24:46):
ideological than their Democrat nominated counterparts.And what was interesting the two people uh
there when I was, when Iwas the they are actually in the courtroom,
which is fascinating. It's beautiful.You're not allowed to bring your cell
phone in. I don't obviously haveany pictures of it. Beautiful. There's
just all of these historical characters alongthe freeze up on the ceiling. It's

(01:25:12):
a beautiful room. Got in there, got to see the oral arguments pertaining
to the case that I was onthe justices. They asked really tough questions.
The one I really liked, Imean, I like Robert's I think
he is a genteel person. Butit's it's just it's it's fascinating. It's
a fascinating experience. Where they've gotleft is there's this is what they've got

(01:25:36):
left. They've got the immunity caseleft, and these come down any time.
They tend to rule later in theweek. Then the beginning of the
week, we can still see aruling on Trump immunity. Ah. So
now this third hour is got ait's got a weird clock to it.
So when I get back, we'llgo over these these positions. If if

(01:26:00):
you have any other thoughts about thingsthat are dumgerous, of course I would
love a good laugh. But yeah, I think we need to know basically
one, two, three, four, four or five cases that are still
big cases that require a ruling,and we will hit those when we get
back from this break. This isChrista Kaefer. I'm sitting in for Andy
Connell. You're listening to eight fiftyKOA. I'm talking about obviously about voting,

(01:26:24):
some interesting stuff coming in on thetext line and that, and also
what the Supreme Court is likely todo before the end of the month.
As I said, they tend torule at the end of the week and
they will be finished by the endof this month. A couple of really
big cases, and these big casesget all the spotlight, as they should
because they're big cases, but alot of the time the Supreme Court rules

(01:26:47):
unanimously, which is pretty interesting.It is it's not like they're always seeing
hot cases. So here's what's left. So there's the Trump immunity. Does
Trump is the immune from prosecution whilehe's in office. I think that's an
interesting question. I'm guessing they're goingto rule very narrowly because I don't want

(01:27:08):
to ditch immunity all together. Becauseif presidents can be sued for things that
they do in office, then that'sreally going to politicize, or say politicize
do a much higher degree than theposition is already politicized, right, because
they could be sued for anything.They're going to get sued. It is

(01:27:29):
going to prevent them at times fromdoing the right thing. I'm going to
go for a narrow ruling in thiscase. I think they will say that
in the course of the normal thingsthat they do, they have immunity,
but that immunity is not it isnot a blanket that covers everything. There
are certain things that you can dowhile you're in office in which you are

(01:27:50):
not immune. That's just a guess. That is the Trump versus Us case.
Also, there is a January sixthattack case, Fisher v. US,
and that's because like three hundred differentpeople have been charged with obstructing an
official an official event. These arethe people that tried to stop the peaceful

(01:28:14):
transfer of power on January sixth,the certification of the votes for Biden and
his election victory. They busted intothe Capitol, they broke things, They
hurt officers. If you doubt that, I know some people are like,
no, they didn't. I actuallyhave talked to a couple of these officers
face to face, heard about whatwas done to them, how they were

(01:28:35):
injured. One guy almost says,I gouged out, yeah, officers,
that they were injured. I thinkit was at least a million dollars worth
of damage. These people are terriblepeople, and many of them have now
gone to jail for what they havedone. The question is here, though,
is should they be charged federally underan act that is basically a finance

(01:29:00):
a financial law. This is Sarbine'sOxley Act. It's it's basically a corporate
governance kind of a law. Canthey be charged under that? Or was
that we're only those providing evidence tocongressional investigations. Are they the only people
that can be charged under this Act. I'm going to guess that they're going

(01:29:25):
to vote in favor of the peoplewho were charged, that this is an
inappropriate use of this of this law. It just seems that way on its
face. Which isn't to say thatthese people shouldn't be charged and shouldn't be
in jail. I'm just not surethat using a corporate governance law to do
that charging is in line with thespirit of the law. So that's my

(01:29:48):
guess. There will be an abortiontwo abortion cases ruled on in the next
month. Can't. I can't givea prediction on this one. One has
to do with abortion pills that theFDA gave the clear for. You can
get those without a doctor's visit.Here's the problem. There are more complications
medical complications with regard to abortion pillsthan abortion procedures, so chemical abortions are

(01:30:14):
more likely. These pills are morelikely to put a woman in the emergency
room than had she had a surgicalabortion. Now a baby dies. In
either case, the question is whathappens to the mom, And in the
case of abortion pills, not seeingthat doctor in person could have ramifications for

(01:30:34):
her health, in which case twopeople would be harmed and What we're talking
about here is the health of themother and making sure that she's getting the
care that she needs. Those thatwent against the decision by the Obama administration
to take away the doctor's visit.It's the Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine. Of

(01:30:55):
course, if you know, thehippocritic oath is about first, do no
harm. They feel that the Obamaadministration, in directing the FDA to allow
women to get abortion pills without adoctor's visit, has done harm, and
they have lots of examples of it. They believe that that decision was political
and not in the best interest ofwomen. Do not when people say,

(01:31:16):
oh, it's going to get ridof the pills. No abortion pills will
still be available, but people wouldhave to see a doctor to make sure
that there aren't those kinds of complicationsthat would harm the woman. So I
would say it's in the best interestof women, whether or not your pro
life or not. I'm all forwomen's health. I don't want to see
women in the emergency room. Ihope they rule in favor of Alliance for

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Hippocratic Medicine. There's also Moile versusthe US. The Biden administration I think
about the Biden administration believes that abortionup until birth is AOKA, so I'm
not surprised that they as an administrationhave tried to go after state laws that
restrict abortion, that allow except exceptionsif a woman's if a woman's life is

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in danger, obviously you don't wantyou don't want two people to die.
Uh, save save a life.And and in many of these cases,
most of these cases, either we'retalking a atopic pregnancy. Atopic pregnancy and
treatment for that is not the sameas abortion. Pregnancy has to be ended.

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There's don't have the technology to savethe baby. Everyone I know who's
been through an actopic pregnancy grieves theloss of that child. There's just no
way. If the pregnancy continues,the mom will die. So there's that's
allowed in that case. And secondly, in the case of say really bad
preacclamsia, women's blood pressure is skyscrapingsky sky, going sky high, you

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have to do an early delivery.But in states that uphold the rights of
the child, you have to carefor that baby, and if you can
save that life, you must.States have these exceptions for women whose health
is in danger, whose life isendangered, but the Biden administration wants to
preempt those with its own law.This decision will decide who wins Biden or

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those states that have laws on thebooks got one more law. The gun
law coming up will hit that afterthis break. This is CHRISTA. Kaefer.
We're discussing court cases that have yetto be decided. Your thoughts on
those. This is eight point fiftyKawa. They always think about, like
what will be the car that wouldbe you? That would be the car
that would be me. That's anice car, all right, we're a

(01:33:39):
bitchin Camaro, one of the two. Anyway, we're talking a little bit
about Supreme Court cases. And justbecause I like to interrupt myself, have
you ever asked yourself how many presidentsyou can name? So? I was
reading a biography of Grover Cleveland thisweekend and I was like, I wonder
how many I can do? SoI missed three out of forty six,
and all I could say is damnMillard Fillmore. Yeah, I missed Pierce

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Fillmore and Buchanan. Yeah yeah,I mean it's not like they did much,
but yeah, see what you cando. It's kind of interesting.
And you know, if you thinkabout it. Text me at five six
six, and I know how manypresidents can you names. It's kind of
interesting speaking about the other branch,the judicial branch. We're talking about Scotus

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and the remaining cases that they have. I've got two more that I want
to mention moyle Bus. Actually Idiscussed that right before the break, and
that is, can state law thatprotects women's lives as exceptions to tight abortion
laws? Can they be preempted bythe Biden administration. I am guessing the

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court will rule in favor of thestates. That's just a guess on my
part. I have no guests foryou on FDA versus alliance for the hippocratic
medicine, but I'm hoping they willview they will rule for women's health,
you cannot have a drug that doesnot require a doctor's visit when there are
that many complications. So fingers crossedon that. And then there's, of

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course, there has to be agun thing. So the gun one.
This one is does the second amountright to own a gun apply to individuals
who are subject to restraining orders fordomestic abuse? And I'm going to say,
for me personally, no, Idon't think it should apply if you
are a domestic abuser. One ofthe consequences of that is you don't get

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to own a gun. We'll seehow the court decides on that. It's
kind of interesting because you know what, we have a right to bear arms,
but that right is not so expansivethat there cannot be some parameters,
red flag laws not allowing felons ordomestic abusers or so worth to have those

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guns, not allowing people to haveautomatic weapons without a special permit. I
think the are okay, but that'sjust me. So those are the notable
Supreme courses. This Supreme Court casesthis term immunity nine to six, attack,
abortion, two cases there, andguns. Kind of interesting, interesting,

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interesting season. We'll see what theydo. I will say this about
the Trump administration. I really appreciatethose three justices and that we have a
conservative majority, even though that eventhough it was part of a case that
they ruled against. That's okay,I was I tell you who really impressed
me. Two justices really impressed mewhen I was sitting in the court.

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I liked Kagan. I don't likethe way she rules. She's on the
left, but she's funny. She'sjust got a sense of humor. And
I would prefer she not be onthe court obviously, but she'd be like
a fun neighbor to have because she'ssmart and she's funny. So that was
cool. And I really liked Barrett. I thought she was so sharp,

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sharp, she asked really good questions, and she seemed intellectually curious, like
she really was interested in the case, interested in and she actually had her
own decision coming out of that case. So I just really came out of
that experience thinking she was a terrificpick for the verscotis not only because she's

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smart, super smart, but becauseshe seemed intellectually curious and she was polite
to both of both the other sideslawyer and our lawyer. And I like
manners. Call me old fashioned,but I like it when people are,
you know, try to treat otherhuman beings with decency. I like it

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a lot. Okay, on Twitter, you said you missed six presidents.
Yeah, I think I did missa couple. So I didn't count Cleveland
twice, which I should have notbecause he's more than one person, but
because he didn't get it. Andthen I think I missed also who else?
So I missed Cleveland. Did Imiss Hoover? Thanks for the correction.

(01:38:10):
You're right. On Twitter, Isaid I missed six, which means
I can pierce fillmore Buchanan, isit? What's the other person? Okay?
Anyway, I figured out in anotherway to do it, and thanks
for the correction. You're right,I missed six. One of them was
a repeat, so technically five.So there's two other minor presidents that I
missed. So what I ended updoing is I ended up memorizing him again

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a different way, and I thinkI could probably do them all. I'm
not going to do it on theair, though, because this sounds boring.
This one's nice dead milkman reference.I'm glad somebody caught that. I'm
glad somebody caught that. Also,this person can name them all in order.
That's impressive. So what I figuredout I could do is I could

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name them by I do alphabetical.I was more likely to get them all.
Van Buren. Yeah, there's abunch of people that are like before
and after Lincoln, that especially beforeLincoln, between Andrew Jackson and Lincoln that
you're like, who was that?Who was that? So anyway, it

(01:39:15):
just curious, Hey can you nameall the presidents? Can you name all
but six? Can you name allbut three? Like? I think I
can actually name them all. NowI'm not again, I'm not gonna do
it the on the air, butmaybe i'll do it off the air.
It's easier if I do it alphabetically. They're actually five that's start with the
letter T and none that start withthe letter S, which is kind of

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interesting. So yeah, I don'tknow what valuable information I have now booted
out of my head so that Ican now name all the presidents. I'm
not sure where my car is there. I routinely forget the names of acquaintances,
neighbors and so forth, but butI got presidents down that and like

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random insects and plants, and I'mpretty good with world countries. But yeah,
information that's actionable and monetizable not somuch. So uh yeah, wide
a waste some brain cells. Sothat was the Scotus cases. If you
have any thought about that, it'sfive six six, And I know if

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you ever have a chance to arguea case before the strict Supreme Court,
most of us will not have that. I'm not a lawyer. I will
never have that opportunity, but Iwas glad to actually have been in the
court. And I've been in thecourt twice, once for this case that
I was on Trump b. Anderson, which I we'll not reltigate over there.
But the time before that was whenI was a Capitol Hill staffer and

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I went in with Justice Thomas anda bunch of students from the University of
Ohio. I worked for a memberwho knew the person who knew Justice Thomas,
and we went in and we satin the chambers, and I remember
him reciting A Man for All Seasons, really a dialogue between Moore and Roper

(01:41:10):
about of holding the laws, becauseif you knock down all the laws,
what will protect you when the devilcomes for you? I'm paraphrasing it.
He could actually do it line forline. He's in a lot of hot
water right now because of gifts fromfriends, so I'm not quite sure how
that will pan out. I've onlymet him once. I don't know that
I have I don't know that Ihave any feelings about any of the core

(01:41:31):
members, except that I prefer theconservative justices to the liberal ones. And
of all the justices, Barrett ismy favorite because she has brains and manners,
and I kind of like both.Yeah, if you're talking about public
persona, chances are if you're nota decent person. I'm not a fan.

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That being said, I also likeI would prefer smart to not smart
by the reperss that I uh,the representatives that I dislike the most have
neither smarts nor manners. You knowwho you are if you're listening in,
Oh, you know what this thecase is that I'm mentioning. They're off

(01:42:15):
of a Wall Street journal piece.But this person who just texted and mentioned
the Chevron defense case difference Chevron defensedeference cases. Sorry, I can get
that right, I just need totake it three times do it so.
Chevron is one of those guiding principleguiding precedents. It basically says that we

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give deference when there's some there's somegray areas in the law. We're going
to give deference to the executive.We're going to say, well, you're
an agency, there's a little wiggleroom. It's not clear what Congress wanted
here, so we're going to goahead and let this agency do their thing.

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And the reason that that's a problemis it's letting a lot of agencies
do their thing, and the executivebranch is supposed to administer or execute the
laws, like that's their job.They're not there to legislate, they're there
to execute. There to look atthe law, and you know there's you
know, there's some different sometimes there'sdifferent ways to do different things, you

(01:43:19):
know, But they're supposed to executethe law. They're not supposed to just
make it up do their own thinglegislate. So Chevron, ever since this
president was set, has said thatwhere there is gray area, it's okay
that the agency, the executive decideshow they want to do it. If

(01:43:45):
this I'm hoping this case eliminates thatprecedent or knocks that president down, or
narrows that precedent with a different precedent, because I really don't want the executive
legislating. I want the executive executing. One of the beauties of our system
we've got a legislative system, orwe've got a legislature, we've got an

(01:44:06):
executive and we have a judicial isthat there's tension between those. They act
as checks and balances, not perfectchecks and balances, but the act they
act as checks as balances. Ifyou look at other countries, say,
countries that have a prime minister,for example, the executive and the legislature

(01:44:29):
are kind of melded together, soyou have less tension there. I would
much prefer to live here than inEngland because I like the fact that there
are a separation of powers, amuch clear separation of powers. So I
don't want the executive legislating. Idon't want the judicial legislating. I want

(01:44:51):
each branch to do his job,and if Congress wants to do something,
they can write the law, andthey can write in such a way that
it's not ambiguous, and if itis ambiguous, go back and fix it.
We don't need the executive sort ofdoing their own thing and legislating.

(01:45:11):
So I'm hoping that in the Chevrondeference cases that we will see we will
see, uh, we'll see somechanges there. We will see all right.
Well else, so let's see,we poked polk for them forty so
this person how this percent's a coupleof plays plays on the different names election

(01:45:31):
slogan. We poked polk them inforty four, will pierce them in fifty
two. That's pretty good. That'spretty good because we know we had a
president Polk and a president Pierce.Now, the reason that Polk is memorable
is that the country would be liketwo thirds smaller without him, maybe a
third smaller without Polk. The reasonthat we have Mexico's territory, former territory,

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California, Texas, bits of Colorado, and some other states and at
chunk of Oregon is because of Polk. He did more to enlarge this country
him. Was it McKinley, Itwas McKinley. No, it wasn't McKinley
that got us Alaska. I thinkit was the guy before him. I

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don't know we got that, andthen of course we also no, maybe
it was him. Sorry, Ishouldn't be like questioning myself on air.
And of course the Louisiana purchase fromJefferson very interesting. This person said,
I went to school with a greatgrandson of Benjamin Harrison. Therefore great great
great grandson of H. W.Harrison, four greats of revolutionary hero Benjamin

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Harrison. Yes, there are twoHarrisons, two adams is Cleveland twice,
same guy, two different terms.And also these there are two other two
Bushes. So I don't know.Kind of interesting, and that is it
interesting to memorize the list because youwonder about some of the characters you haven't
learned about, and then you feellike get in a biography, and then

(01:47:08):
you end up reading more, soyou know it's all it's all good.
See how many? I'd be curiousa rod if you how many you can
write? It's good to write himdown unless you're like a whiz memory wise.
How many presidents you can name?It's it's kind of interesting. Not
enough? Not enough? Yeah,and some of them, like, uh,
do last names count? Can Ijust give last names? Yeah?

(01:47:29):
I don't know the first names ofthese people. Let's see count you ready?
Yeah, Okay, I'm counting Trump, Obama, Reagan, both Bushes,
Carter, Clinton, Truman, Washington, Lincoln. Uh, lordie,

(01:47:51):
here we go. I think we'rein trouble territory. Uh. Who was
before? Who of the most recentones have I missed? I think you
may have you missed? Uh whenthis last century missed? Fdr? Okay,
FDR JFK yep, miss JFK,Nixon, miss Nixon? Ford?

(01:48:15):
Anyone after two thousands that I miss? No, I think you got the
you got the It's like Bush Obamatwo terms and then Trump and then trump.
Yeah, he said, Okay.Actually, I think the average American
can name like three, so Ithink you're good. You're good. There
isn't Mount McKinley in Alaska, whichhas been recently named Mount Denaulli. And

(01:48:38):
it was actually the one that arrangedfor that was Seward. Somebody just texted.
And the interesting thing about Seward isthat he was He was a senator
I think from New York at abolitionistand then became Secretary of War. I
think under Lincoln, really good guy, just a really good guy in history.

(01:48:59):
So yeah, count of text meat five, six, six,
N I O coming to the endof the hour. But the first time
I did it, I missed six. Then I did it again, I
missed three. I think I cando them all, but I do them
alphabetically because I just think it makesit a little bit easier. So I
learned this. I guess there's aslogan in fourth grade and studying American history.

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Polk was considered one of the bestone term presidents. According to this
person that texted, Yes, someyoung people learned like a rhyme so they
could get them all. But I, like, I really came out of
reading this book on Grover Cleveland,with a very high opinion of Grover Cleveland.

(01:49:39):
Other than Coolidge or possibly Reagan,he was the last of the sort
of small government classical liberal slash libertariantype presidents. I just thought he was
fascinating. It's there's not that many, particularly after after Cleveland. It used

(01:50:01):
to be that this believer around theDemocrats used to, oh, you forgot
Biden. I did, yes,Ah, that's it. Well in my
mind for some reason, as Iwas going through I think when I said
Obama, I think of Biden's VP, I'm like, okay, I thought
of Biden, and I'm not takingcredit. Here was one of somebody who
listened who texted it in, yeah, who did for He is kind of
forgettable, you gotta admit. Imean, can you think of anything par

(01:50:26):
he's left on? Joe Biden inthat one? I mean, I'm not
going to put him in. Idon't think he's the worst president, but
I can't name a single good thingthat he's done. May watched Afghanistan and
I went and wrote off a wholebunch of transferred a whole bunch of people's
education debt to the taxpayer. Theone thing you'll never hear me say is
you're never going to hear me sayquote unquote, I mean I'm saying it

(01:50:49):
now obviously to say that, I'mnot saying it. But loan forgiveness,
there's no such thing. You don'tjust wave a magical on to be like
the loo never happened, And itdoesn't work that way. Next time I
mentioned that, I'm going to haveyou played like a little fairy sound,
a little fairy dust sound, becausea loone never happened. No, somebody

(01:51:10):
pays for that. And what you'reasking for the taxpayer, of which I
believe something like sixty percent don't havea degree, you're asking them to pay
for the degree through their taxes ortheir children because we're taking it out as
debt. Yeah, so let's see. Yeah, Oh, in two Johnson's,
there's two Johnson's. There's Andrew Johnson, who was terrible president and LBJ

(01:51:33):
who was not a particularly good president, Lebron James not I'm just kidding.
Oh did you remember, oh,Clint, but Clinton is pre but he
was still in office right at thesay, when did Bush came in in
the two thays? So he camein in twenty two thousand, and one.
The election was the two thousand election, so yes, you could have

(01:51:55):
named Clinton Clinton. Did you sayClinton? I did? Okay, this
person got twenty three, so excellent. I think all was I like ten,
you got ten. I think it'spretty good. All right. Yeah,
and if you really sat down youweren't like trying to manage a radio
show, I think you would havedone it. It's two Roosevelts and two

(01:52:15):
Johnson's. This person said, yeah, two Roosevelts goes Teddy Roosevelt. Distant
cousin is Franklin Roosevelt, the onlyone to serve four terms, or of
a Cleveland the only one to servetwo terms, but not concurrently. So
when you do with the list nowthey get numbers. He's actually the twenty
second and twenty fourth president. Andif Trump wins, he will be in

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he'll be in that same category.Well, interesting, interesting fact for you.
I'm sure obviously you thought of it, but this is the first time
I think in a long time,I think, was it four decades where
with this election, we have fouryears of being president to look at.
Typically you have an incumbent going againstthe challenger, or an incumbent does two
terms, so it's two totally newcandidates. We have four years as president

(01:53:01):
with both of these candidates, twoincumbents. Yep. That's fascinating. Obviously,
that gap, it's been a longtime since that happened. I think
nineteen sixty something or seventy something.It's been a long time. You literally
have four years to look at ofwhat they have done as president. Yeah,
and there's a lot there and someof it mixed. I can't say.
I think if there's anything Biden's donethat I actually agree with. I

(01:53:26):
appreciate that he doesn't text very much. I put that as a positive in
his column. Oh, he's increasedthe number of refugees. And I'm not
talking about these people who aren't truerefugees who are coming over the border sneakily.
I'm talking about true refugees. Iactually appreciate that because I feel for
those folks. Eisenhower good president,he was from this last century. I

(01:53:47):
like him. I like Truman becauseperson says Buchanan was the worst president.
He was right before Lincoln and basicallylet the Civil War happen. Yeah,
fascinating stuff. Anyway, Hey,thanks for bearing with the sub This is
Chris de Kayfer. Sitting in forMandy Connell, ably helped by a rod

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and you're listening to eight fifty koa