06-11-24 FULL SHOW - Jon Caldara Fills in for Mandy

Episode Transcript

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I'm John Caldera. And for Mandy. What is Mandy doing? Do we
know he's doing a cruise in Norway? Oh? My god? Without me?
Uh? Without yeah? Absolutely?Without well yeah, without means the
problem you? Eh? Is thissupposed to be a fun getaway? Yeah,

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that's a good point. Is shebringing her husband too? The whole
fam? Why? Why would youdo this? I just don't understand,
all right, give me a call. Three out three, seven to one,
three eighty five, eighty five,seven to one, three eighty five,
eighty five. Where to begin.It's just you and me today,
so feel free to give me acall. We will chat about those things.

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I want to get to the HunterBiden thing as well. There's a
couple of things Colorado wise, Thisone in the Denver Gazette. A move
to fire Colorado Republican Chairman Dave Williamsfollowing the states the GOP's attacks on Pride
Month gained steam Monday, as adozen, not just one, but a

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dozen county Republican parties added their namesto a list of petitioners calling on the
state party to force Williams from office. An organizer said she plans to deliver
a letter to Williams, which hewill burn if you put a gay flag
on it, demanding that the partycall a special meeting of the state GOP's

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governing body to consider whether to removehim. All. I have no idea
what the bylaws are in the stateparty. I have long since stop caring.
I have found that the Republican Partyhas become wildly irrelevant in Colorado and
getting more and more so. NowI see this as a guy who,

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on his eighth tenth birthday, beforehe went out to have a three to
two beer, which you could doin those days, ran down to the
courthouse to register to vote and registeras a Republican. So I've been a
lifelong Republican. I, however,have changed to unaffiliated when the law changed

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saying unaffiliateds could vote in either primary. Now why did I do that?
I was that six eight years ago. I forget because, in case you
don't recall, I live in Boulder. There is no Republican primary none.
So get this. I just gotmy just got my ballot, and since

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I'm unaffiliated, I have a Republicanballot and a Democratic ballot. I could
choose either one. On my Democraticand Republican ballot. There are nine positions,
nine positions. There's US congressman,state House, state rep. There's

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school board, there's DA county commissionersand things like that. So out of
those nine seats on the Democratic side, four of those nine seats only have
one name. So really, onthe Democratic side, there's really five five

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choices between two people. Got that, So five out of nine there's actually
a race. The other four there'sjust one person. If I pick up
the Republican ballot, same nine positions, but instead of four people that are
just not running against anybody, thereare four empty slots. Not even a

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token person will put up their name. Nobody, no buddy. And then
there's five seats that have one nameeach. Again, let me draw this
picture. Republican side, five questionswith one candidate each, four questions with

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no candidate, compared to the Democraticside, where there are five questions with
two candidates, four questions with onecandidate, and there are no questions that
have nobody. So why in theworld would anyone in my position be a
registered Republican. I would have novoice none. Now, I've used to

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do the caucuses, and I usedto do the assemblies and the conventions and
all the other good stuff. Thosedays are gone. It's good for a
minority. If you want to getpeople out on that Tuesday evening to go
to their caucuses and then vote themselvesas a guy to be on the Assembly,

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then great spectacular to do that.But what happens is the party has
become more and more irrelevant and theparty, the state party, has two
jobs. Two jobs here it arewrite them down. One to run primaries.

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You run primaries and you try tohelp the guy who wins the primary
run fair primaries. And to cashchecks. That is, the RNC and
other Republican groups would send them moneyand they can cast those checks and send
them along to campaigns to help Republicanswin. That's all the party can do.
Those are the functions of the party. Now people seem to think the

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party can do other things like,oh, I don't know, vet candidates,
Yeah, you really can't. Anybodywho wants to run can run.
Keep people off the ballot, No, you can't do that. Keep people
on the ballot, No, youcan't do that either. So those are
those are the choices. So asthe party has collapsed upon itself like a

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neutron star, you find it's gettingweirder and weirder and weirder. The recent
message targeting the gay community with theemail God hates Pride and a call for
his supporters to burn all Pride flags. Forget if it's hateful or not.

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I'll tell you what. Let's putthat aside. Is it smart? Does
it help somebody move forward? Doesn'thelp somebody become an elected Republican official in
Colorado? If so, please tellme how it seems to me that these

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types of Republicans live under a delusionthat fifty one percent of Colorado voters think
the same way they do, thinkthe same way they do. Elections don't
seem to change their mind. It'skind of like, how to put it,

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it was a Koopla Roth who hadthe five stages of accepting death.
You oh, there's anger, there'sdenial, there's bargaining, and then finally
you get to acceptance. Missing oneof them, it is as if these
Republicans just live in constant Nile.They still think that it's nineteen eighty five

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in Colorado and the demographics haven't changed. They have changed. I hate to
break this to you. Here arethe political realities going for the next I'm
gonna say decade, Colorado is goingto be, as it is now a

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pro abortion state. Not just prochoice, pro abortion. I mean,
think of what our governor did whenhe signed a bill outlawing the abortion reversal
pill. We take a quick tangenton this one. So there's a chemical

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abortion a woman can take. It'sa couple of different pills taken over the
course of is it a week ora couple of days? I forget.
And if a woman takes pill numberone and changes her mind, she can
take a reversal pill and try tosave the fetus. Well, now that's
illegal in Colorado. So Democrats aren'tpro choice because that would be a choice.

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It's now democrats up in a woman'suterus, not Republicans saying no,
you can't have the choice to undothat termination attempt. So it's it's pro
abortion. That's not gonna change.It's pro weed, that's not gonna change.
It's pro gay. The state ispro gay. That's not gonna change.

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So why in the world would youput out a message to burn gay
flags? How does that bring anyoneto you? Help me, help me
with that one, if you ifyou gotta, if you got a thought,
So the Jefferson County Party chair saysshe's gathered signatures from more than twenty

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five percent of the membership's party state'sCentral Committee, enough to require to schedule
a meeting within thirty days to determinehis faith. Quote. Chairman Williams has
made it clear he will not stepdown, So the alternative is to call
a special meeting and put this decisionup to the four hundred plus voting members
of the state's Central Committee. Hekeep in mind, I don't mind the

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party imploding. Stay with me onthis one. I don't mind because it
has to be burned to the groundto build back up, to be able
to have a party that actually reachespeople where they are in Colorado, that
can reach to pro abortion, proenvironmental, pro weed, and pro gay

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Coloraden's who are also sick of highertaxes, sick of the woke world,
sick of regulations, and sick ofinflation. Those people are here. We
have to add them, not subtractthem. All right, three or three
seven to one, three, eight, five, eight five. I've got
a few calls here. Let's goto our Vada and talk to Sheila.

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Good morning, Sheila, good afternoon. You're with John Caldera, Hey,
John, I appreciate listening to whereveryou're at, But I was wondering,
is there any hope to change theparty from within? Sure, there's there's
always hope. Didn't you listen toPresident Obama? He was very hopey and

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changing. But let me ask alarger question, why can I have a
choice and candidates? Well, youcan have a choice. Yeah, you
can have a choice in candidates theparty. I guess here's the difference between

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the smart people on the left andthe people who run the organizations on the
right. In Colorado, people onthe left realize the party doesn't do anything,
and they build capacities to tempt peopleto run for office and to get
involved in politics and door knock anddo voter outreach and yes, ballot harvesting,

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which is completely legal, and theywin. And Colorado Republicans seem to
think that there is a party that'sgoing to do these things. The party
is not going to do those things. They have never done those things,
they won't in the future. Theyhave to be done outside the party.
It's a big part of what IndependenceInstitute does, bringing people into boards and

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commissions and getting talent into the movement. I think people Republicans of a certain
age think that the Republican Party doessomething it really doesn't. So yeah,
you can, you can, youcan change the people in the party.

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That'll be good. I don't knowif the if the Central Committee will do
so, it's up to those fourhundred people. But the question is what
happens after that. You know who'sgoing to put it if it if it
is a trumpy party, it willalways be out of step in Colorado?
Do I have that wrong? That'sa good point. So well, how

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is this this ranked voting when itpasses, how is that going to affect
the people running for office? Itwill affect them considerably. And for those
who are not aware that a wildlywealthy guy can theory loves the idea of

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ranked choice voting. I am nota fan of ranked choice voting. But
he has a proposed that will likelybe on the ballot this fall that does
two things. It has a jungleprimary and then rank choice voting on election
day. I'll explain both. Rightnow, we have a system where parties

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have primaries. Unaffiliateds can vote ineither primary Republican or Democrat, but not
both. And whoever wins, thesingle person who wins meets up with a
single person who wins on the otherteam, you know, plus whatever third
parties decide to do, and they'reon the general. A jungle primary is
much more like how the city atDenver elects its mayor. Do you remember

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there were like sixteen people running formayor and they all ran at the same
time, and since none of themgot fifty one percent, they take the
top two, the top two whichwas Kelly Bruff and Mike Johnson, and
they went head to head in November. So his proposal is to have the

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primary just like that. So youcould have two Republicans winning the primary,
you could have two Democrats, youcould have whatever. But instead of two,
he has four. So the topfour goat getters on primary day be
them from any party Libertarian, constitutionCommunist, Green, unaffiliated, Republican,

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Democrat. The top four show upon the ballot in November, and then
they use rank choice voting to choosethe one. I'm not a fan of
that. I love the first partof this. I do like the idea
of a jungle primary for Colorado.I do not like the idea of rank

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choice voting, so I find myselfnot knowing which way I'm going to go
on this one. Sheila, thankyou for that explanation, And I agree,
how do you think you're gonna endup voting? Should it make the
ballot, It's gonna be one.But I'm thinking because the end is what

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you look at. Vote now.Yeah. For me, here's my thinking.
I believe And if you asked methis five years ago, I would
have taken an opposite view. ButI believe Colorado is in need of the
jungle primary. And here's why thatin areas that are hardcore Democrat, we

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have a choice between on an electionday between a communist and a Republican who's
going to lose, and in severelyconservative red areas, in the rural areas,
it goes the opposite way. You'regoing to have a very conservative,
socially conservative guy and a Democrat who'sgoing to lose. Well, I have
em boulder. The the ballant towin is the Democratic primary, and so

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between a let's say, not socrazy progressive and an all out COMMI the
commie sometimes wins, but if we'reif it's open, if both of those
people are on the general ballot,there's a very good chance the more sane
progressive wins and we don't have theElizabeth Epps and the Tim hernandez Is and

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the people who want to yell andscream from the balcony and burn flags in
the legislature. That's a step inthe right direction. And in conservative areas
you might have two Republicans running onelection day. I think that gives people
a better choice. I just don'ttrust the rank choice rank vote method.

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I understand how it's supposed to work, but my big frustration is this.
Every time you it's it's three elections. So you have the first election,
you drop off the guy who getsthe leased, Then you have three candidates,
you drop off the guy who hasthe least. Then there's two candidates,
you drop off the guy who hasleased, and then you have a

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winner. But each one of thoseelections, instant runoff elections, are actually
elections. And I might vote differentlyif there are these four candidates, but
when there's three candidates, I mightvote for this guy first and that guy
second. And that's what the Cityof Denver's election is like. But Kent

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Theories is not. And that's that'swhy I have a real concern with it.
I think the dynamics of an election, you should have one election and
then if he needed out their election, you to thin it down. Hey,
I got a run. Thanks,thanks so much for the phone call.
Sheil give me a call about this. Do you think Dave Williams should

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resign? You think he should bekicked out? Do you think he is
going to win in the Springs becausehe's also running for US Congress and Trump
has endorsed him, Does that meanhe's a shoe in three or three seven
to one, three eighty five,eighty five And for Mandy, I'm John
Keldrek. Keep it right here.You're on KOA. Dave Williams is being

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called on to resign. He won'tdo that. The the God hates flags
fiasco. Now, I mean,you can do a couple stupid things.
I mean, look look at me. I have made a lifetime and a
livelihood at a saying dumb stuff.All right, it is possible. It

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is possible to be as inarticulate asI am and still hold down a job.
I run the Independence Institute by allmeans. Check out thinkfreedom dot org.
Get on our mailing list, justour email list, so we can
stay in contact, come to someof our events, learn what we do,
and even I can keep a job. But when you say God hates

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flags, you're obviously parroting the WestboroBaptist Church, wherein they hold signs that
say God hates Can I say theword Aaron? Is it okay? The
fag word? All right? ThenI won't say it. That's what they
say. And it's ridiculous because youmight feel that way, Dave Williams.

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But your job is to bring peopleto vote for Republicans, and in a
state that is so strongly pro gay, why would you do this? And
all I can think of is areyou getting paid by Soros? Let's grab

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a few of these calls three orthree, seven, one, three,
eight, five eighty five. Lewisand Englewood welcome you with John kelderic glad
to have you. Yeah, I'ma Democrat and I just got a question,
when did the Republican Party go crazy? I don't understand January six happen?

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Okay, I'll get give you ashot for that if that's a serious
question, a shot. I don'tthink it's the Republican Party. I think
there are individuals who have gone crazy, and there are individuals who are so
very frustrated with the status quo andso hungering for large scale disruption that scaling

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the Capitol on January sixth made senseto them. Does that is that a
reflection? No, it's it's moreof a sign of frustration. I'll ask
the similar question, but going inthe opposite direction, what the hell happened
to democrats? It used to bethat it was Democrats who stood up for

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free speech. Now they're the oneswho wield the cancel culture. They were
the ones who wanted truth, andnow they're the ones who say you've got
to call a man a woman otherwiseyou could lose your job. And in
Colorado and throughout the federal government,we have bonafied socialists in power as democrats.

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The old school Democrats, the royRohmers of the past are gone.
So let me ask you the samequestion. I mean this not in a
yeah kind of way, but honestly, what the hell happened to democrats?
When did they turn from being liberalto being socialist? Yeah? I don't

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soist. I think they're trying todefend the notion that all people are created
equal. Yeah, but they wantto divide things. You look at the

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Colorado legislature and what they have passed, the anti gun laws, the environmental
regulations, pushed for universal basic income, the wealth redistribution, the wealth redistribution,
the wealth redistribution, a law thatrequires a speech police, and now

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something akin to the Ministry of Truthbeing run by the AG's office. This
is getting insane. So it's morethan just caring for the downtrodden. These
people want true wealth redistribution. Andthey're the ones who are outlawing words in

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the legislature. They have disciplined fellowlegislators when they use bad words like like
transient or homeless, or immigrant orillegal immigrant. It used to be that
the left were the guys who cameto defend neo Nazis and Skokie Illinoian even

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pornographers, because even these guys havethe right to free speech. So I
will turn it back. Yeah,Republicans have gone crazy. Caldera's first political
axiom. There's nothing Republicans cannot screwup. I say it in a bit
more colorful way. But Democrats haveturned their back to the free market and

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free speech, and so extremes havegone crazy. All right, Hey,
thanks for the call. Greatly appreciateit. Let's see if we can sneak
in Rich in Denver. Hey,Rich, glad to have you. You're
with John Caldera, Hey John,good to be with you again. Good
to be with you. Thanks.You know what my biggest problems a lot

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of these Democrats get mad about andI'm on the same page with some of
them when they lump all of usLGBT people together like Dave Williams did and
accuse us of some pretty implammatory seeingsthat they did. But at the same

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time, I have to say Idon't accuse all of the Republicans of being
a bunch of dashists or white nationalists. That's because they're not. And so
to the liberals and the Democrats whoare listening. I have spent a lot
of time traveling across Colorado in thelast six months and working with Republicans,

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and when Daves Williams decided to comeout with his statement, it was for
the most part something that I,as a coach actor leader of Days Against
Rumors, completely agree with. Weneed to be protecting children from the sexualization
that is occurring during prime. DoesGod hate flags, Well, if he
does, I'm sure he also hatesthe American flag, but I would cause

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let me let me take a quickdetour to bring listeners up to speed.
This is Rich Guggenheim who called in. He's a guy who runs a great
group called Gaze Against Rumors. Rich. I don't want to I don't want
to out you or anything, butRich is gay, so he has a
real dog in this fight. Buthe also works against the sexualization of children

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with the trans indoctrination movement. Andso you do incredible work. And I
actually was thinking about you when whenthis thing came out and Dave Williams says
God hates flags and we should burngay pride flags. And I'm thinking,
well, wait a minute, whatabout guys like Rich who's gay and is

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working against the trans indoctrination movement.What about Valdemir Archiletta who runs the gay
Republican chapter that's called log Cabin Republicans. And these are guys who are bringing
people in the middle towards Republicans.They are saying, hey, this is
good. How do you, asa gay man, how did you take

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Williams Williams blast email blast? Sure, how I took that one? I
agree with what I think he wasintending to say, and that is,
we should be protecting children from thesexualization that is occurring. And unfortunately it
was also a dut punch because heused language that I would like to assume

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was unintentional, but it was inflammatoryand it was with and the work where
he's using the language in this videothat if you've seen his letter, he
has this video from a pastor.And I'll just preface that by saying,
if that is truly what Dave Williamswants to believe, Dave Williams and anybody

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who agrees with him is free tobelieve whatever it is they want to believe
it. But just like I saythe vegans and trance people, you're free
to believe what you want to believein. You are not free to impose
your belief on other people. Well, that's besides the fact that it's actually
incorrect, and he's trying to makeit sound like this progressivism and this movement

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that he talked about being demonic,and he uses language to paint this image
that we are pedophiles and we aregroomers, and we are the craved,
and that is something that undermines thework that we gaze against groomers and people
like Valdemar where large cavin Republicans aretrying to do, and it distracts from
what the actual issue is here.He is, and he should be partnering

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with you, Rich Guggenheim, notalienating you. It's politics. One oh
one. I got to run toa break, Rich, thanks as always,
three oh three, seven, onethree eight, five eighty five.
John Caldera Informandy, keep it hereyou're on KOWA Calls from a dozen different
GOP county chairs for Dave Williams toresign. Should he? I don't care.

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The thing that does bother me isthat the media loves this stuff and
it's completely irrelevant. Wait, letme try this again. The media loves
to talk about Republican function. DaveWilliams is a perfect example of it.

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Some believe he's just playing to tryto get a job in a Trump administration.
Please, this would not be agood fit in any administration, even
a narcissist's administration. And the medialoves to jump all over these type of

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ridiculous things. But I ask you, what does it matter? Here's what
I mean. The state is controlledby Democrats. Every single lever the House
has a veto proof majority supermajority ofDemocrats. The state Senate is all but

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one vote away from a super majorityDemocrats. Our governor is a socialist,
oh disguised as a libertarian every nowand then until he signs his bills and
puts in his regulations. We havea court system that is completely leftist.

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Every big city is run by theadministrative state and by liberals. Who cares
if Republicans are having temper tantrums liketoddlers. Who cares if there's infighting amongst
legislators in the Republican Party, Itdoesn't matter because they have no power now.

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Dysfunction in the Republican ranks on afederal level, let's say in the
House of Representatives, where there's atiny majority. Well that's a big story.
The more Republicans fight, the moreit changes things here in Colorado.
The more Republicans are dysfunctional, itdoesn't change a thing or later, he

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thinks, hopefully sooner or later.The media has to understand this story is
inside the Democratic Party. Yes,Republicans are buffoons, Yes they do this
kind of stuff. Yes, it'sridiculous. Who cares? There is a
civil war brewing inside the ranks ofDemocrats. Inside Colorado, there is a

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war brewing between progressives and communists,all right, progressives and socialists, pardon
my editorializing, And that's where thereal fight is. There is a huge
fight between the Elizabeth Epps in thein the Hernandez and the crazed completely out

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of touch with reality socialists, andmaybe the Speaker of the House, while
very progressive, is not insane,and that battle is growing bigger and bigger
and nastier and nastier all the time. That's where the fight is. When

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you see the Speaker, as shedid last year, have to apologize for
not giving her crazy wing more ropeto destroy the state with. That's the
story, because that's where the poweris. I've long since come to the
realization that Republicans are just going tokeep embarrassing themselves in the state of Colorado.

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It's just a fact of life,and it doesn't matter. The real
battle for the future of Colorado doesnot lie inside the Republican Party. It
lies inside unaffiliated voters. I willkeep screaming this until someone hears me.

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Republicans love to fight with the Republicansabout Republicans stuff. None of it matters.
We need to be fighting about howwe get unaffiliated voters to vote for
free market policies, how we getunaffiliated voters to understand that the high inflation

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here in Colorado, the ridiculous,ridiculous energy costs are the doing of the
left. We need to talk tothem about issues that matter to them,
not flags. All right, seeif we can go for NIS. We
can play with this a little bitin the next hour as well. I

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also want to get your feeling onHunter Biden. Does that really matter?
I think it's just the start ofsomething that's going to keep going and could
keep Biden from running for reelection.Let's go through that when we get back.
I'm John Caldera three oh three sevenone three eighty five eighty five.
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All right, we were talking inthe last hour about Dave Williams and
the embarrassment of the Colorado Republican Party. My take on this as a hardcore
free marketeer is let it burn.The party has to continue to implode until
it gets better. That's gonna happen. This is going to be a brutal

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year for conservative I know there's somesigns that maybe conservatives can gain ground in
this state legislature. Maybe, butthat's not taking it back. In a
year where Trump on the ballot,should Trump be on the ballot and abortion

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on the ballot, how do youthink Coloraden's are going to vote. They're
going to come out and droves,and it's not going to be good for
Republicans or Republican causes. There isa ballot measure to put our abortion laws
into the state constitution. I wouldn'tbe surprised if this passes now. Colorado

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already has the most liberal abortion lawsin the country. This would protect it
by putting it into the constitution,as if the legislature would be able to
change that. I think it's dancingdancing in the end zone for the pro
abortion movement. It also puts inthere that this would be covered by insurance.

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It's a big move my point being, it'll be on the ballot and
it will draw out voters. Mysuspicion is it'll draw up more pro abortion
voters, more anti vote Trump voters, then the other way around. Just

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my thinking, Colorado will again votefor the Democratic presidential candidate. There is
no way we will vote for DonaldTrump. If so, I would have
seen that in some sort of poll, and I've got my eye on several
different polls in Colorado, a lotthat other people don't see it. It's
just not going to happen. Bidenstill be the nominee. It was telling,

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absolutely telling that the Wall Street JournalNews side did a front page story
on Biden slipping that is his hismind not working too well. There was
another one, I forget who itwas New York Times or someplace else,
and he had two of these outletson the main size of the paper saying,

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you know, the old man's notas sharp as he used to be.
Now, that's not a story toanyone. Is anyone going, oh,
I didn't know that. What UncleJoe is not as quick as he
used to be and keeps forgetting things. That's not news to anyone, but

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by it being put up on aquote respectable news service. It puts it
into the realm that it's okay formedia to finally report it, the mainstream
liberal media to report it. Whywould they do that. They would do
that because and only because they fearhe can't win. I mean, the

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only person who could lose to DonaldTrump is our president and they know it.
So will will there be a publiccall from the left, not from
the right, from the left tobring down Biden. To be honest,

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I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.I thought it would have by now.
I still think it is in therealm of possibility, Aye, not quite
likelihood, but sizeable possibility that theconvention in Chicago, the Democratic Convention,
becomes one where they choose a differentpresidential candidate, and if they do,

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likely be Gavin Newsom help us,God help us. Well, what would
take it? What would Biden haveto be threatened with not to run for
reelection? He'd have to say,well, there's no way to win.
Eh. Maybe the other one is, you know your family's in trouble,

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you go away and your family's nolonger in trouble. A handshake deal,
if you will. Hunter Biden isfound guilty on all three counts in a
federal gun trial. This new iconfor gun rights. He bought a gun

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and he lied on the federal form. Will we go to jail? No?
No, The bigger fight will comeup in September with tax evasion charges.
So the right has been trying tofind a way to connect Hunter Biden

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to Joe Biden, that somehow therehas been a connection, that Joe has
opened up a deal for him,done a favor for him, that there
is a connection that can tarnish him. Now, having your son do something
stupid like this is embarrassing. Justtalk to my parents. Having a stupid

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son is embarrassing, But it's notillegal. What should the punishment be for
Hunter Biden in this federal gun case? And media pick it up? And
will it lead to the other HunterBiden questions, that's the big one.

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Yeah, obviously it was illegal forhim to buy the gun. You're ready
for this one? Think about this? Should Trump? Should Trump become president
now that he is a convicted felon, he will not be allowed he will

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not be allowed to buy a gun, but he will have the codes to
launch the nukes and destroy the world. But he won't be able to buy
a glock. Think about that.Think about that? All right? So,
Hunter Biden was found guilty today falselyclaiming to be drug free when he

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applied to buy a handgun six yearsago. Convicted of three counts federal jury.
It only took three hours. Threehours, and I love that was
his girlfriend who threw away the gunin a trash can outside of a supermarket.

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You know, you know, you'reout of touch with reality if you
think bums don't go through trash cans. He technically could face twenty five years
behind bars, although any prison termis gonna be a fraction of that.

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The judge said, I'm reading fromthe Wall Street Journal that sentencing dates are
typically scheduled for four months after aconviction. The conviction and the prospect of
prison time deepens the political peril forhis father. In the middle of this,
the trial in Delaware aired embarrassing detailsabout the President's family, and Hunter

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Biden is expected to face another trialon tax charges in la this September,
which will feature I believe even moredamaging details about his lifestyle and how he
tried to use Dad to get deals. All right, three, all three,
seven to one. Three eight fiveeighty five, seven to one,

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three eighty five, eighty five.There's going to be a debate with Donald
Trump and and our president in justwhat couple weeks. Got one guy who's
a convicted felon, another guy whoseson is now a convicted felon. I
wonder how this is going to workout. Again, my speculation goes like

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this, And please tell me ifI'm on target or even close, three
or three seven to one, threeeighty five eight of One of the rumors
I heard was that the left,who want to get rid of Biden because
they know he might not win,it'll be to save his brother and his

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son from prison sentences. Think aboutthis, now, this is a little
conspiratorial. Yes, in a perfectworld, one has nothing to do with
the other. President has no influencewhatsoever, and people trying to give influence
to the president don't have the powerto get those things done. YadA,

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YadA, YadA. But just playit out, Joe. Your son's going
to go to jail, your brotheris likely to go to jail. If
you step down, all these thingseffectively just disappear, and your family will
be fine. Furthermore, history willremember you as the guy who stepped down

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to save the country from Donald Trump. You'll be a hero. Is that
enough to get Biden to step down? I hope not. I want him
to run, and for the firsttime in my lifetime, his running mate

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will be the issue. Donald Trumpwas superb, absolutely superb in choosing Mike
Pence as a running mate. Thiswas a guy who had serious policy chops.
This is a guy who had asocial conservative background which Trump desperately needed
to tap into. Biden has,Biden has Kamala, and people know,

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people know in their hearts that ifwe vote for President Biden, the chances
of President Kamala Harris become very veryreal. And Kamala is maybe as popular
as Hillary, maybe even less popular. Three or three seven, one,

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three, eight, five eighty five. Let's go out to Elizabeth and talk
to Lumberjack. I don't think yourname is really Lumberjack. I'm pretty sure
your parents didn't look at you goLumberjack, but welcome anyway. Well,
my football coach has called me thatbecause I grew up in the Mountain shopping
woods because we couldn't afford pro Paine. So that's how they called me Jack.
That's not bad that's not bad,by the way, even if it's

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not true, it's a it's agreat name and impresses people with that story.
It's it's very true, by theway. And Chris Filey southern California,
so it's called look it up,it's got it. My dad was
a highway for him. Yeah.My only thing is if it was you
or me and we had done whatHunter did, we would be going to

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jail. There would be no ifanswer. But you know in period,
and you know, my dad didthat in Korea at eighteen years old,
get shot at my brothers in Vietnam. I didn't get to go because they
said I couldn't see good enough.So I'm not going to apply planes because
of a commercial pile later. Butthere again, if you or I did
this, there would be no ohwell, well, we'll see how it

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goes. Let me get to say, let me hang on before you run.
Sure, I can say that veryclearly with a Trump conviction for hush
money that if anyone else did it, the charges would not have been brought.
So there'd be a know, nothingmore than a penalty for misfiling something
that that was a pure, pureout to get you. I don't know

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about this one. Most people wholie on a gun form do not get
caught. If you say you're nota felon and the record shows that you
are, you might get caught.But the one that says, are you
on drugs? How many people ondrugs, including here in Colorado, who

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take marijuana legally in Colorado but illegallyfor the purposes of buying a gun,
say that they don't take drugs.I would imagine it's tons of them,
tons of them. There is noway. There's no way to answer that
question and improve it. So thisis this conviction. Let me just finish

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the question then answer. It isthe conviction of Hunter Biden. Political.
I believe they're both political, andI believe that maybe one percent of people
would be honest and not try tofill out because they take drugs. I
have a very good tread that Iplayed football with Division one football who from

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southern California, which is where I'mfrom, and he is an exceptional individual,
but he enjoys marijuana, which Idon't agree with. Having being a
kid and my dad coming home fromKorea, he drank for ten years.
I've never drank. I tasted beeronce in alcohol a taste like pea that

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drink. Never drink and drop alcoholin my life, don't smoke, never
did any drugs because I didn't likethe way that was in the sixties and
seventies. I like to brave cleanair and that's fine, got it?
Yes, So there again, Ihave an opinion about taking things into your
body that make you do stupid things. And unfortunately I have some people that

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I know who have been killed bypeople that were on drugged and or drugg
Bring it, Bring it to HunterBiden for me, okay, to a
hunter, I think I think heshould do time. I think a fine,
no, that's yeah. They gotplenty of money. That's not gonna
hurt him a bit. I thinkyou should do some time. Do you

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think that every person who lied ona form about doing drugs? Have you
should get jail time? If it'staken to the extent this is, and
we said there's much tax dollars onit. I think it should someone should

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do time because I think I don'tknow if I agree with you. The
political side of me says, yeah, by all means, throw them in
jail, because we're in that thatstage. Here's the question here's the question.
It's question F on the on aform that you have to file.
I think it's Form eleven. Igot that right. Are you an unlawful

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user of or addicted to marijuana orany depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug,
or any other controlled substance. Now, I gotta imagine in a state like
Colorado, where there are more cannabisdispensaries than there are Starbucks, many people

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have lied on this. So helied on this. He didn't use the
gun poorly. I there would bepeople on the left screaming exactly what I've
been screaming about Trump, that thisis just just a political setup job.

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Well, that could be. Thatcould also include people on oxycodone antidepressants.
It could be Xeni's ambient. Itcould you have if you're addicted to it?
Yeah? Yeah, Well, andthen who's going to determine what addicted?
Is that jury? Where my suspicionis. My suspicion is if this

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hapen, and to anybody else thatthis part would not have gone all the
way to a trial. I gottarun. Thanks for the call. Three
out three, seven to one,three eighty five eighty five, seven to
one, three eighty five eighty five. If you haven't purchased a new gun,
you have to answer a bunch ofthese questions. Are you under indictment

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for a felony? Have you beenconvicted of a felony? Are you a
fugitive from justice? Have you beenadjudicated as mentally defective or have you ever
been committed to a mental institution?Have you ever been discharged from the Armed
services under dishonorable conditions? Are yousubject to a court order, including a
military protection order issued by a militaryjudge, man man, man magistrate,

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restraining you from harassing, stalking,threatening your child or an intimate partner.
Have you ever been convicted in courtof a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence?
Have you ever been a member ofthe military and been convicted of a crime
that included as an element the useof against a person identified in the instructions?
Have you ever renounced your United Statescitizenship? Are you an alien,

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illegal, or unlawful in the UnitedStates? If you're an alien who's been
admitted to the United States under nonimmigration visas. If you've answered yes,
do you fall within the exceptions statedin the instructions? There you have it.
You have to answer those things.If you don't, you're committing a

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crime. But how many how manyof you be honest? You can use
a fake name. Have you usedmarijuana making you an unlawful user of but
didn't check the X? Yes?Mark three oh three, seven to one,
three eight, five eighty five.I'm John Keldera. Keep it here,

(54:52):
you're a koa. No one tookme up on this one. No
one let me throw it out onemore time. Yeah, I'm looking at
you. So Hunter Biden is guiltyon three counts. They're gun crimes because
he filled out a form. Hefilled out a form and lied. Now

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he could say, hey, atthe time, I didn't think I was
addicted to drugs. Yeah he hewas addicted to drugs on this form.
I think it's a form of It'sa form of eleven forty. It's the
form that is a firearms transaction record. We gunnies hate this form. Why

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do we hate this form? Becauseit's basically gun registration. Even though the
BATF is supposed to destroy these records. Why do we hate registration? So?
Why don't we hate registration? Sobecause throughout history, when guns have
been registered, they get confiscated andwe believe that this personal right is beyond

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that. So we love guns thatare not registered in this In this form,
you have to you have to fillit out yourself. You have to
put your name, your place ofbirth, all this other stuff. You
have to put in your ethnaticity.Why in your race Hispanic or Latino,

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Non Hispanic or Latino, none ofyour business. You have to put in
your race American, Indian or AlaskaNative, Asian, Black or African,
Hawaiian negative or other position, Pacificislander or white. These are two different
questions to give you. How oh, you put in your Social Security number?

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That's optional, don't do that countryof citizenhip. I like that,
all right. But the question thatI'm asking you is this one. How
many of you lied on this formyou are an unlawful user of or addicted

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to marijuana, any depressant, stimulus, narcotic drug, or any other controlled
substance. And then they put abig warning under that warning, the use
or possession of marijuana remains unlawful underfederal law, regardless of whether it has

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been legalized or decriminalized for medical orrecreational purposes in the state where you reside.
I don't think you can be moreclear about that. Are you a
user of cannabis? Well, Iguarantee you. There's a bunch of people
who use cannabis who still buy gunsand they lie on that form. They're

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not crackheads like the president's son,but they're lying on the form. Have
you, in fact one group tryingto get something on the ballot this year
here in Colorado? To make itso you could answer that and it won't

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matter. I don't know how thatwould work, even if you made it
a change to Colorado's constitution. Ifthis is a federal law. The listener
says that it's the Forum forty fourseventy three. All right, forty four
to seventy three it is, Hey, you're right ATF form four four seventy
three. I read the wrong thing. Thank you for the correction. Not

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one of you is going to copto lying on this form. What do
you think the AATF is listening andknows what your phone number is? All
right, let me try it adifferent way. Do you have a very
good friend and who has ever liedon one of these forms? Now,
a lot of this form is verifiable. They can verify, although they put

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non binary under sex good God almightysex male female, non binary? I
find that just offensive. And thisis an official form. Are you xx
or x y? And if you'renon binary? Why do I have to
put in something on the birth date? I can identify as somebody who's much

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older than I am. Anyway,all these other questions like this one,
do you intend to sell or otherwisedispose of any firearm listed on this form
and any continuation sheets in furtherance ofany felony or an any other offense punishable

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by imprisonment for a term of morethan one year, a federal crime of
terrorism, or a drug trafficking offense. So the next time you have the
gun shop and you come to thisline and it says, do you intend
to sell or dispose of this gunin furtherance of a felony or other offense

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punishable by imprisonment by one year?How should I do this? Can you
help me fill out this for me? I'm buying this for the drug cartel.
I'm buying all these guns. Wedon't think it's a punishable offense by
more than a year. It's justyou know, menacing with a firearmor.
We think that's probably a misdemeanors.We could We're okay to hit the no

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button on this one. Right.So, if you're a crime and you're
gonna buy a gun to use ita crime, you also get to lie
on this form. Now that's anothergot you when they get you and say
did you lie on this form?No, I didn't, And you could
say I didn't intend to do acrime with it. I ended up doing

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a crime with it, but Ididn't intend to the questions of are are
you under indictment for a felony?How have you been convicted of a felony,
Well, those things are verifiable,but the drug question you can't.
You can't verify it. You haveto have somebody prosecute and make it very

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clear that you lied on it.That's what happened to Hunter Biden, and
fortunately he had all sorts of Thereare all sorts of pictures of him doing
drugs during the time that he boughtthis gun. So was it a political

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Yeah? I think it is.If you were using marijuana and got this
and then somebody called the ATF orthe FBI and said, hey, hey,
do you know that this guy wasusing medicinal marijuana for his cataracts when
he bought that gun. Do youreally think they're gonna come after you?

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No? No, So is thisthe same problem that Trump had. Trump's
conviction for the hush money, inmy mind, was purely political. Other
cases, such as the mar ALago case, where he has top secret
documents and he's holding them up forthe camera. That that's a bigger crime

(01:02:50):
the hush money one. Oh mygod, stop the presses. Some rich
guy paid off a hooker not totalk. I'm sure that's never happened before.
All right, three o three sevento one, three eighty five,
eighty five. I'm John Calderic.Keep it right here, you're in kaway.
I'm John Caldera. Let me callthree oh three seven to one,
three eight five eight five in forMandy. Describe a few of these phone

(01:03:12):
calls to talk to Chris. Chris, good afternoon, glad to have you.
How' go on. I'm terrific,Thank you, fantastic. I was
calling it because I am a bigtime conservative, at least I have been
over the over the years. I'msure myself more of a libertarian these days,
little little little l and that Libertarianparty. You and I both what

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they're doing with what they're doing withHunter Biden and what they're doing with UH
with former President Trump is absolutely awitch hunt. They are I think that's
a political party is spending way toomuch money going after their opponents and using
tax dollars to fund it. Andit's it's ridiculous. The term, the

(01:03:55):
term law fair is a reasonable term, and I see it here. I
mean, I'm not saying I wantto be careful how I put this nuance
doesn't always go well on AM talkradio, but let me give it a
try. Anyway. I'm not sayingHunter and Biden shouldn't be brought up on
these charges. He should. Thisis not the charge that concerns me about

(01:04:21):
Hunter Biden. Tax evasion and sellinginfluence with his father. That is the
issue. That's the issue, andI think other and I think other courts
are going to look into that,including in September in LA. Those are

(01:04:42):
the real ones. I think thisis largely a distraction. He will get
he'll get some community service, andthat'll be that on this one. It's
the other ones that do matter tome. And I just find it that
if we're gonna if we're gonna scream, if if we're gonna scream that it's
wrong for the hush money trial,that that was a politically motivated thing,

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I agree, Well this one hasa bit of that vibe too, that's
all. I'm sorry your turn.Oh no, I I I agree one
that if it's a larger, grandiosething, it absolutely should be pursued.
But this is tim To me,it's gonna be it ought to be a
slap on the wrist, the samewith with Trump and paying off a porn

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start. That's to me, thatstuff is just nonsense. That's between for
people. I mean, as anon gun owner who believes everyone should who
qualifies, should purchase a firearm,I think this is this is chilly,
and it's uh, it's doesn't.I just think it's all political feeders these

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days. So you say everyone shouldhave a gun, but you are not
a gun owner, may I inquire? Oh no, of course, in
order to be for me to bea gun owner, I have special needs
children. I have to be ableto afford the right kind of protection to
keep my children away from firearms.I would have to buy a gun safe
and all of that stuff is notfinancially feasible. So because to be a

(01:06:15):
responsible adult. I have to makesure I take care of my children first.
At it will keep guns out ofthe reach of people like you.
As we continue to have inflation,and this fall will we Colorados will be
voting on a nine percent tax onguns and ammunition and gun supplies for Colorado.

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That's already above the ten percent excisetax we pay on guns. So
this constitutional right will be taxed andit's not going to hurt rich people.
It's going to hurt people just likeyou at some point might want to protect
themselves and their family and go I'dlike to buy a gun. Last year
was five hundred dollars. Now it'ssix hundred dollars and I can't afford it.

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And of course if they make it, if they make a cheaper gun,
there's other costs that are involved withthat, not just ammunition and the
actual cost of a gun. Forme, you have to go through and
pay for a a a permit.Yeah, you have to pay for your

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classes. The number one thing isyou need to make sure you're safe with
your firearms, and not every noteveryone should own a firearm if they're not
going to be safe the same aswith owning a car or anything else.
People need to be reasonable with theirpossessions. I couldn't agree more. And
good for you for knowing the limitationsof whether or not it's it's it's the

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right call, but the idea ofof jacking up the prices for law abiding
people to defend themselves in a cityand an estate where criminals have been on
the loose because of those laws,it's just adding insult to injury. And
by the way, if there isa gun that is in your affordable area,

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they will call it a Saturday SaturdayNight special because it's too cheap and
for them. Poor people should justnever have guns, only people with money.
I wish they'd be honest and justsay what they mean. Black people
shouldn't have guns. I wish theywould just say that we're going to make
it so that black people don't haveguns, that the cops can have guns,

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but poor people who are people ofcolor shouldn't be able to afford it.
I think it goes beyond that.I think it goes to anyone that's
not not them or their security guards. Agreed. Agreed, Hey, thanks
for the call, I greatly appreciateit. Let's take a quick breather here,
do news. I'll come back infor Mandy. I'm John Calderic.

(01:09:02):
Keep it right here, you're onKoway. So we've been talking about Hunter
Biden. Of course we've been talkingabout the gun laws. I love that
one of his defenses was that,you know, the Second Amendment applies whether
you know whether I'm doing drugs ornot. So all of a sudden,

(01:09:24):
a Biden becomes a Second Amendment supporter. Brilliant, just brilliant. And then
you hear Dan Oates in the newsputting together a list of chiefs of police
who are going to try to pushfor federal gun laws. It's such an
interesting difference between chiefs of police andthe rank and file police when it comes

(01:09:47):
to the Second Amendment. Why well, think about this. Cops are on
the street, Cops have to protectpeople. Cops know they can and be
there all the time, and overwhelmingly, not completely, but overwhelmingly they are
huge Second Second Amendment supporters. Theywant good people to have guns. A

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chief of police has one boss,the mayor. There's a real difference between
a sheriff's office and a police department. The department is part of somebody else's
administration. An office is its ownoffice. In all but two counties in
Colorado, the people elect the sheriff, meaning with he has to be connected

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well with all of the people heanswers to. That's the whole constituency group.
Every time one of his deputies pullsover somebody, that's a voter,
that's my boss. That's a differentthing. It's one of the reasons I
have found that police departments and sheriff'soffices have a different Oh, how to

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put it, I want to becareful here. You know that cop attitude.
You know what I'm talking about,cop attitude. Let's go out and
cop. There's more of that ina city's police force than in a sheriff's
deputies force. Sheriffs are much moreservice oriented, much more connected to the

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community, because they have to havedirect votes from constituents. A chief of
police gets hired by a mayor ormaybe a city manager. That's a job.
Here's the chief of police. I'myour one and only constituent. Who
can fire you? I can,who can get your raised? I can?

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Who can make your life miserable?I can? Not The people you
pull over, not the people youpolice. So there's a real difference.
And since big city mayors hate guns. Oh golly, oh gosh, what
a surprise chiefs of police also hateguns. What what a kuwinkie dink that

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is. So, of course there'sgonna be an organization of chiefs of police
getting money from Michael Bloomberg to banguns. And they're gonna be wearing their
uniforms and they'll be talking about lawenforcement. They won't be talking about the
rank and file. If you're acomp tell me if I've got that right,

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if you're law enforcement, do Ihave that generalization? And it is
a generalization, right? So whychiefs the police? Because they only have
one constituent, the mayor or thecity manager, and they've got a parrot
what they want or be in linethere. Those guys are only gonna hire
a chief of police that shares theirpolitical views, particularly on gun control.

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Could you imagine if the chief ofpolice did what oh the Weld County Sheriff
Steve Reems did and said, thisis a ridiculous law. I am not
going to enforce it. Anti gunlaw. I'm not enforcing it because it's
wrong. Now he can say thathis constituents will back him up. Could

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you imagine the chief of police andDenver saying such a thing. Of course
not, of course not. There'sno way they could three or three seven,
one, three, eight, fiveeighty five, speaking about guns and
shooters and all the rest. Didyou see this story? Do you remember

(01:13:54):
the Colorado Springs plan parenthood shooting.A guy named Robert Deer has been found
incompetent to stand trial multiple times.I use this case as something to talk

(01:14:14):
about the need for donor privacy.Stay with me on this one. So
people give money to organizations and don'talways want people to know who they're giving
it to. A lot of peopleon the left want all that information to
be public, so we know who'sgiving to let's say, my organization,
Independence Institute. We never never tellwho gives us money. Why because we

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have a lot of teachers who giveus money, and if the school union
found out, their jobs could beruined. We have businessmen who give us
money, and people in government couldmake their lives miserable. There could be
retribution. The left organizations do thesame thing. Why is that important?

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I go back to this shooter.Imagine this guy who targeted a planned parenthood.
No matter how you feel about plannedparenthood, imagine if Instead, he
could find the addresses and names ofall the contributors to the Colorado Springs Planned
Parenthood, and he could methodically goand shoot them all. This was actually

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an issue back in the Foundation.In the beginning years of the NUBACP,
people would give money to the NUBACP, and the KKK would go out find
them and hang them. Many ofthem were white and their businesses would be
destroyed. That's why they did soanonymously, and it's why something that we

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work at independence to make sure thatpeople can give money to their groups anonymously.
All right, three three seven one, three eighty five, eighty five.
I want to talk about the shooterwhen we get back. He's now
going to take his medicine. I'mJohn Calderic. Keep it right here,
you're on KA Way. Let's getto some of these calls. Been very
patient, Chris or excuse me,Bob, Bob welcome. You're with John

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Caldera. Hello, Bob, andSir Collins. There you are. Yes,
I can, I can, Okay. The reason I am calling is
basically I want your opinion. That'syour opinion. Your answer, should we
or should we not have assault weaponsto be purchased he should. The answer

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is no, we should not haveassault weapons as a matter of fact.
That's why they're illegal. Now,nobody in America can have an assault weapon
without you know what I'm talking about. Come on, John, come on,
Joe. Oh well, then bemore specific if you cannot, if
you cannot describe an assault weapon,all right. He asked me a different
question. Okay, should we allowautomatic weapons? No, we should absolutely

(01:17:11):
not allow automatic weapons. So that'swhy they're illegal, and you have to
have apecial Okay, should we allowrapid fire weapons? What is it?
I need a definition. Every semiautomatic is rapid fire time. So yes,
you're semi automatic every time you pullthe trigger. Yes, of course,
that's what every gun in America otherthan revolvers are for. What?
For? What? Reason? Formany reasons. First of all, do

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you want me to answer the question? Do you want me to answer the
question or not? I've answered everysingle one of your silly questions. I'm
happy to answer this question too.You said why you gave me binary questions
yes or no, and I answeredthem in a binary way. Now you
have given me an open ended questionwhich I will answer in an open ended
way. Why should we have semiautomatic weapons? One because they're protected by

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the Second Amendment. Two they arethe best for self defense. Three they
are best for an armed civilian population. I can continue on and on four
because many people cannot load single shotweapons or revolvers, and those people who
are on ADA need something that canhave several shots for their own protection.

(01:18:24):
So let me when can I askyou some questions? Go ahead? Okay?
So should the police be allowed tohave semi automatic weapons? As long
as the public there is a binaryquestion, you will use the same silly
rules you did. This is ayes or no question. I answered your

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questions yes or no. Should thepolice be allowed to have semi automatic weapons?
Yes? If if certain semi automaticweapons, like what you think is
an assault weapon, which you cannot define, should the police? If
those are outlawed, should the policestill have them? What's the yes?

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Wow? So there should be twoclasses of citizenry, those who work for
the government and have guns and thosewho don't. All right, now,
I'm going to ask an open endedquestion. You answered. You asked a
couple binary Now here's my open endedquestion. You wish to outlaw assault weapons?
Can you please give me a technicaldefinition of what an assault weapon is.

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Okay, semi automatic doesn't necessarily haveto be a rifle. It could
be a carving basically a single shotsemi automatic to where all you have to
do is pull the trigger to whereyou could have let's say, a two
round capacity magazine, or you couldhave a four hundred round capacity magazine.

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The bottom line is, why notmake all rifles just strictly build action.
And please don't tell me that peoplecan't use build action because they've used some
pre years. Yes, and otherpeople can't. So what you want to
do is what you've described, isto outlaw nearly every gun in America.
Nearly every gun in America out ofthe some three hundred million, four hundred

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million guns, are semi automatic guns, which which shoot out one bullet per
one trigger pull and have a removable, reloadable magazine. Almost every handgun in
America is that way, and almostevery rifle is, with the exception of

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some some sniper rifles, hunting rifles, and an occasional well that's it,
or a pump action. So youhere's a binary question. You would like
to outlaw and ban all those guns, which is probably ninety percent of all

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the guns in America, how areyou going to how are you going to
enforce that well? On the market, there's too many on the market.
And for a second, the bestprotection, for the best weapon for protection
is a shotgun. So the Bobline for you, that is for you,

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that is. But if a womanwants to carry a gun for her
protection, you know what's right forher. That's so wonderful when other people
know what's right for everyone else.It must feel very very good for you,
Bob, to know what's right forother people. So what we've decided
after this conversation the difference between youand I. You want to outlaw and

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ban ninety percent of all the weaponsthat are out there, including nearly every
handgun. I do not. Ibelieve we have a constitutional right to do
so. And if you want toban those guns that are commonly in use,
you should change the constitution. TheHeller decision made it very clear the
guns that are protected are the gunsthat are in common usage at the time,

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like AR fifteen's, which is themost popular rifle in America. Furthermore,
I will add this, there isa huge danger when you give one
people who work for the government gunsand take away guns from the other people.
That is where tyranny happens. Oneof the beautiful things about America is

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that our cops are us. Butthe road you people go down, you
gun banners go down, will havea bifurcated system where black people won't have
the guns, but the cops whohate them will, where white people won't
have guns, but the cops will. Where everybody else is disarmed except the
guys who have the guns, andyou would like them to have the fully

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automatic, real assault weapons. Hey, I gotta run. Thanks for this
entertainment. It was worth it.Three or three seven, one, three,
eight, five eighty five. Igot to take a break down,
right sir, All right, I'llbe back. Keep it here. You're
on KOA. Our conversation with Boband Fort Collins was fascinating. The emotionalism
behind gun control is wild. Idon't mind people who are ignorant about guns.

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I certainly was at one point.I definitely mind people who are ignorant
about guns making gun laws. Asyou can tell Bob, when I asked
what is an assault weapon? Hesaid, any semi automatic gun. That's
it. Any semi automatic gun witha detachable magazine. Every nine millimeter,

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every twenty two, every forty five, the old nineteen eleven that Grandpa used
to win the war. All assaultweapons, the old M one grand from
World War Two. It's in Grandpa'sclosets. That's an assault weapon. They

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don't know the difference between automatic andsemi automatic. An automatic gun is illegal
in the United States, very hardto get hold of, requires licensing and
federal forms, background checks, andthere's only a certain number of them that
were ever made, so they're hardto get I remember our Congresswoman Diana to

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get thinking that if she banned thirtyround magazines when asked, what are you
gonna do with the old ones,well, sooner or later people will shoot
the bullets in them and they'll bethrown away. She actually thought you'd throw
away your magazines. Now, gunmagazines are kind of like pez dispensers.
You fill them back up. Now. I don't mind her not knowing this

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stuff. I really don't. Imind her making laws over stuff she has
no comprehension of. And for thePresident to be at an anti gun rally,
oh, I'm sorry, a rallyto reduce gun crime the same day

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that his kid is convicted of agun crime. Delicious, delicious. Let's
go up to Loveland and talk toTom. Tom, Welcome, you're with
John Caldera. So glad to haveyou. John. It's good to talk
to you again. Long time notalk. Hey, I just wanted to
ask you a question for clarification.When you were talking about the form that

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you have to fill out before purchasinga gun, I myself happened to have
the bipolar and fifteen years ago Iwas actually hospitalized because I was having a
bipolar incident. When filling out,said arm, I guess now I would
have to put on there that yes, I was hospitalized because of being bipolar.

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Would this be something that would disqualifyme? Now if I wanted to
purchase again, I've been on mymeds. I am perfectly sane and sound,
But I am not sure if Iwanted to defend myself, what does
disqualify me? It is my understandingthat it would not. It is my

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understanding, and you'd have to you'dhave to talk to somebody who knew more
about that. The forum basically saysare you addicted? Are you addicted?
Are you currently using or addicted tothese? There are plenty of drugs that
people are using. They're not addicted. This is prescription drugs. I don't

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think that's an issue. One ofthe other questions was, in fact,
it was in fact, have youbeen hospitalized of a mental institution? Let
me just pull this back up.Here we go, I gotta pull this
back up from the ATF. Governmentmakes it so easy to find the form

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you're looking for. Let's city righthere, here we go. Here's so
there's two questions that would apply toyou. Are you an unlawful user or
addicted to? No, you're not. You're not an unlawful user. You're

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not addicted to any of those.That's not an issue. Have you ever
been adjudicated as mentally mental? Asa I love this term? Now,
side note, this form is politicallycore that under sex they include non binary,

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which is not a thing. Butunder this are you nuts question?
They said, have you ever beenadjudicated as a mental defective? So they're
calling people who've as a mental defective? Or have you been committed to a

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mental institution? Not if you've beenin one. Have you been adjudicated as
mentally defective? Or have you beencommitted to a mental institution? Is how
I read that question, Okay,I did not hear the part where it
was where being committed that way.I want to tie back into your previous

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question of what you rely on acertain section of said form. If I
have never filled out any of thoseforms, I do not believe that it's
really the government's issue to know whatmy medical issues are. But let's just
even though I do not own agun, with the way that the country

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is going, maybe sometime down theline, I would like to purchase a
weapon. Well, let me askyou a question with this format. Yes,
so, have you been adjudicated asa mental defective binary ques? I
have not. No. Have youbeen committed that is a court order,
committed to a mental institution? Ihave not no. All right, then,

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as far as I see these questions, you would have no problem.
There's no question here that says noquestion of are you bipolar? Maybe there
should be, maybe that's an issue. Maybe the government is supposed to say,
well, if you're bipolar, wewant to make sure you're okay and
that you're on your meds. Butas far as I see these questions,

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and how funny is it, youknow, my son who has down syndrome
is in a world that if youuse the word retarded, it's like quote
using the N word, which isridiculous because I just said over the air
retarded, and if I said theN word, people would complain. So
no, it's not the same.So it doesn't bother me, it doesn't

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bother him. But the term retardedis now verboten because it's politically incorrect.
But somehow on this form a mentaldefective, it's still in the form though
we're sensitive enough for people who thinkthat they're trans to have non binary there's

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nothing better than nothing better than government. Hey, thanks for the call.
Hopefully that was helpful to you.Three or three seven to one, three
eight, five eighty five. Let'sgo out to Denver talk to Elizabeth.
Heyabeth, so glad to have you. Hey there, So, I just
want to clarify when you're talking aboutcommitted I think it's important to make sure

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we don't have the wrong information.I do work in the field, so
someone who is committed that is notthrough the court. So someone who has
a license as a therapist or noa psychiatrist or a social work or whatever
can put someone on a mental healthhold, but that is not through the courts.

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That's under our license. I've gotto clarifying questions and I want to
take you on a this. Yeah, but a mental healthhold is not the
same as a mental institution, isit. So if someone then we get

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the question out if if if yoursprint goes, oh my god, you
could hurt yourself, and he callsup the cop, and the cop goes,
yeah, we're we're just going tokeep an eye on you and put
you in a jail cell for threedays and keep an eye on you.
That's not a mental institution being that'snot quote being committed to a mental institution,
or is it? So you wouldyeah, so you wouldn't be put

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on a mental healthhold intent to thejail. So you know, you would
be put on a mental healthhold intentto a psychiatric institution, or you could
be sent You could be put ona mental healthhold and taken to the emergency
department and assessed and not taken toa hospital and released. So just because

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you're put on a mental healthhold doesn'tnecessarily mean that you are in the hospital.
Like you're correct on that, ButI just wanted to clarify the part
would Elizabeth, thanks to the call, this is this is interesting. So
how would you answer this question forsomebody, let's say firearm part. Yeah,
for the firearm part, have youever been adjudicated as a mental defective?

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And you you work in the psychologyfield somehow, what do you do?
You? Are you real stuff?All right? And I'm sure,
I'm sure in your vernacular the terma mental defective is used every day.
Oh, he's a mental defense.You know. What's funny? Is actually

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I don't. I'm not familiar withwhat that means. I don't know what
a mental destructive mean either, becausefire arm like a yeah, I have
no idea. Have you been adjudicatedas a mental defense? So at some
point courts would would say, andmaybe somebody like my son who's very delayed

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because of his down syndrome, ishe is he a mental defective? Oh
no, I don't, but mightbe a court term. That may be
a court term that I'm not familiarwith. Right, all right, So
then the next part of a question, and my son is not a mental
defective, let me tell you nowby any means, but he has been
adjudicated so that I am his guardian, So he doesn't have a lot of

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rights that a normal person would have, or as the new people say,
a typical person would have. Allright, so let me ask you the
next question, Elizabeth. Yeah,so have you been adjudicated as a mental
defective or have you ever been committedto a mental institution. Let's say that
I'm one of the guys you've dealtwith, and I had a bad day

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and my shrink got me a seventytwo hour hold. Yep, But from
your understanding, have I been committedto a mental institution? So the devil
is in the details. As aformer person not called said, if he
wanted to purchase a firearm, couldhe? Now, according to I don't

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know what the form says, butso asked the question. If the person
that just called in was placed ona mental health hold, that is how
I am reading that form is committed, So not voluntary is committed? That
means you were placed on a mentalhealthhold into a psychiatric hospital, into a

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psychiatric institution. Now the former personthat called in, he may have voluntarily
gone into the hospital. I don'tknow, but that that is how that
reads. So my sense of this, and because I've looked at the form,
my sense of it is that theform talks a lot about have you

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been discharged from the armed forces fordishonorable conditions? That is a that that
is a official judge process. Haveyou been subject to a court order that's
a judges process. Have you beenconvicted of a demeanor crime of domestic violence?
Have you been convicted of a felony? Have you been indicted? So

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my reading of this, and againmy reading is just that my opinion that
if have you been committed, giventhat the first part of this, have
you ever been adjudicated? My senses, it means by a judge through a
court process where there is evidence andyou can state your case, not just

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your strength says I want to putthem on a hold. So that's a
really good thing that you brought up. Okay, because you were talking about
the other things that it's said,and I did come in late on the
conversation. I didn't hear all theprior stuff. So there are two processes.
There is a part where someone isput on a certification, which is
a process through a judge. Okay, So that could be what it means

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if you are placed in the hospitaland you're on a seventy two hour hold,
that could be that could be differentin terms of the language that they're
using. If you are certified isthe word that we use because it literally
is called a certification and it isby a judge. Committed is that's different

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language. So I'm actually confused bythe way that it says that because a
certification, if you are certified bya judge and put it a mental institution,
is very There is much more serioussituation than someone who is put in
the hospital on a many to seventyto our hold because they have a bipolar
episode or such like the former personsaid, or they could be depressed,

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or they could be anxious. Inmy opinion, I don't think that they
should be prevented from or from havinga firearm, you know what I mean.
So I think if you're committed,I'm sorry, if you're certified,
that is a different situation. Soit could be that form is referencing the
idea the process of being certified.Okay, that was good, thank you.

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So going back to the guy calledhey was bipolar and bipolar I'm on
meds sometimes mental institution, uh,you know, decades ago. It just
seems to me that if he filledout this form, he'd be Okay,
I would I would answer it.I would answer it that I haven't been

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committed. And this is why,this is what happens when you have these
forms and forms and forms and forms. The government seems to think we live
in a in this world that thatcould have these questions answered this way or
without any sort of nuance. Well, that's why the question of committed,

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how are you committed? Have youbeen adjudicated, where you found guilty,
where you indicted, where you convicted, Those are yes or no questions.
The one that says are you auser of drugs? That's that's really bizarre.
All right, thanks for the call. Three h three seven one three
eight five eighty five seven one threeeighty five eighty five Hunter Biden gets sentenced

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sometime in the future, the weeks, maybe months from now, will we
get jail time. Of course hewon't get jail time, but he'll have
to have something that doesn't look preferential. I'm not I'm not concerned about this
issue. I'm concerned about what hedid with taxes. I want to talk

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about influence pedaling. I want toknow what's on his laptop. I think
those are the things that are goingto catch up with Biden. His daddy.
Those are the issues, and thoseare the ones that are gonna rock
an election. So pulling up somepulled up some interesting data, and of

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course Newsweek puts out this story,Donald Trump suffers quadruple polling blow. Oh
my goodness. Trump has been stungby a number of polls in recent days
suggesting his hush money conviction felony maybe harming his election chances. Less than
five months ago, Trump and Bidenstill appear neck and neck in the race,

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although results of recent polls suggest Bidenmay be ahead. Well, it
depends on what those polls are.Furthermore, it depends what you're talking about.
So it says in a CBS poll, Trump is narrowly ahead of Biden,

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but in swing states. However,the results were broken down into the
seven swing states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina,
Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, then Hayden comesout on top fifty percent to forty nine
percent. If those polls are true, then it's much better. It's much

(01:41:13):
better than what I expected. Originalpolls said that if he was found guilty
in this hush money case or ofany crime that a civil case, he
could lose thirty percent of his support. That hasn't happened. Let me also
let me also say people lie onpoles, particularly when it's about Donald Trump.

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Are you gonna vote for Donald Trump? Asks the polltaker, no,
and then he wins. I believethat was twenty sixteen that explained it perfectly.
And now that is going to bemore lawfair going to the Biden direction,

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and his son is in trouble.I wonder how that's going to look
for Joe Biden. I will tellyou right now, I have the election
going to Trump. If you wereif I were to bet a dollar,
I would also bet fifty cents Biden'snot gonna not going to be the nominee.

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