GAYS AGAINST GROOMERS HAS UPSET THE PARASOL PATROL And we've been led to believe that the Parasol Patrol is a bunch of people who bring umbrellas to shield gay people from angry protesters who want to do them harm. Not exactly. Rich Guggenheim with Gays Against Groomers says they are a terror organization because of the tactics they employ against others. He joins me at 1 to discuss.
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I am now the co chapter leader, so we have very nice help.
I have help and she's fantastic.I'll have to introduce you sometime to her.
Bring her on. Her name isGina, and she and her wife
have some teenage daughters that are involvedin sports, and so this is an
near and dear issue to her heart. I would guess let's start with an
(00:20):
update of where you are with theballot initiative signature gathering process, because on
the blog today, I have anarticle linked that has I mean, there's
like twenty ballot initiatives right now.Seven of them are not going to be
done because John Caldera has come outand said we're not spending money on this.
We'll talk about that later in theshow. But you've got two ballot
initiatives that you're working on, oneto protect women's sports and one that would
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do something that should need to bedone by you know, legal edicts,
but that is it would force schoolsto inform parents when their child expresses gender
discomfort or dysphoria or wants to usedifferent pronouns, just bring the parents in
the loop. And part of thatis in Colorado, a child that's over
the age of twelve can receive wraparound services, including medical services, to
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affirm their gender identity in school,and the school does not have to inform
the parents, so the parents don'thave to give consent for their child transitioned
at school. Absolutely insanity. Imean, I just I can't even believe
that we're even having that conversation.I can't either, but it's Colorado,
Yeah, because I'm guessing that theyif the child ends up with a suicide
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attempt or whatever after that, thenthe school has no responsibility for that.
I'm guessing. I'm just probably,Well, you know that suicide rates increase
twelve twelvefold after a child transitions,So when they're telling you, oh,
we got to transition this child becausewould you rather have a transchild or a
dead child, they are absolutely gaslightingyou. The science and the facts do
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not back up well. The CASTreview out of the UK has been really
illuminating and it has been fascinating towatch the people in the trans movement do
everything they can to discredit the authorof the CAST review as a longtime pediatrician
who actually did gender affirming care atone point. They have tried to deny
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all of the realities that are inthat report without actually giving good science.
On the other side, they can'trebut the actual findings of the CAST review,
which is that a vast majority ofchildren that experienced gender dys for you,
if they are just left alone anda half percent, yeah, they
eventually come to terms with their owngender, which is which is the ideal
(02:35):
way, because the other way,the transitioning makes you a lifelong medical patient.
It does well, and that thatrate there, I think is why
we're seeing the tide shift in Europebecause they have the nationalized medical model right
and here in the United States,where it's privatized, it's a piece of
Priker Strikers Rose Foundation, and wecan talk about Rose in just a second.
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These medical organizations, the big pharmaindustry, they're the ones that are
profiting off of and they are profitinghandily. I mean, like, yes,
you know that I read something manylike three or four years ago that
a trans teenager represents like a millionand a half dollars in all the lifetime.
Yes, yeah, yeah, Andit's really unfortunate because this is one
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of the big reasons that I havefor this, and this is to me,
it is literally we're not just prayingon children. We're not just mutilating
children, we're not just sterilizing childrenand robbing them of their innocence and destroying
their future. But it is homophobicbecause these are there, and they're also
if we really stop to think aboutit, they're preying upon vulnerable parents.
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Because a parent sees a child havingemotional distress, they're going to do anything
they can to protect their chub.So it's extremely predatory both against children and
against parents. And I don't understandhow we don't are not waking up to
the fact that this is what's happeningright here in Colorado, and we are
the tip of the spear here inColorado. Well, I will say this.
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I read a fascinating article some timeago that said part of the issue
with walking ourselves back from this ledgeright with saying, Okay, we've gone
too far, we've made some badchoices, and we've heard some kids because
of it, is that you nowhave the parents of kids who have transitioned
who are the biggest advocates because theycannot admit they were wrong, because admitting
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they were wrong meant that they activelyparticipated at harm to their child, and
no parent wants to admit in anyway shape, especially a parent that was
acting on the best advice of themedical community at the time, You know
what I mean. And that's theproblem is is the medical community is actively
pushing it. They've written the textbooksin such a way that it's not just
medical, but it's psychological and psychiatriccare right pushing this agenda. And it's
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not going to be I think untillater on when we see those children who
were sent to the chop shop actuallysue the medical practitioners. And that's happening
right now, and we're seeing moreand more of that, people that say
they were rushed to transition, theydidn't have proper therapy, they should have
been given other kinds of therapy forthe depression or their autism at a diagnosis,
and it's just it's we're going tolook back on this time with deep
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shame for what we did to children. I agree. I agree. Let's
talk about where your initiatives are rightnow. You're in the extremely cumbersome petition
gathering, the signature gathering phase.How is that going. I think it's
going well. I was just outat that worship thing they had at the
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Capitol this weekend. I got onehundred and two signatures by myself and we
had about eight other people that aregathering signatures also. And you know,
I love that we actually have onemember of the so called media height Beetle
you mentioned names. Thank you,Sean for all of my free advertising you
do. So they did a storyon it, and I you know what,
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I will just tell you it isgoing so well that a special issues
committee has been organized in Colorado calledProtect LGBTQ plus Coloradin's and I believe it
was thirty thousand dollars has come fromthe Rose Foundation. So going back to
Rose Radical, thirty thousand dollars Ibelieve has come from out Boulder County.
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And by the way, I invitedthe gentleman from out Boulder County on the
show. He reached out the lasttime that you were on and said,
look, rich name checked us.Oh, we'd love to have you on.
We went back and forth, youknow, gave a couple times,
and then we went and then hejust stopped responding. Oh well, but
I said, I welcome you onthe show to talk about your feelings about
these initiatives. I welcome you onthe show to present the other side of
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the issue, and I have notheard back. So if he reaches out
again again, I would love tohave him on the show. I'd like
to do every side of the sizeof the story, right, Every coin
has two sides, right. Butironically, I believe it was close to
sixty thousand dollars or seventy five thousanddollars has come from this organization called Equality
Federation Institute, and they are outof Portland, Oregon. Right. So
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the fact that this special initiative ora special special group has been formed to
try and defeat these initiatives and they'rebringing in out of state money is telling
you that they think that we area serious threat. And some you know
again, the Colorado PTA has alsocome out in opposition to these initiatives.
What yeah, Well, I meanthe Colorado PTA. They have these agendas
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that they want to indoctor and meetyour children in school, and if that
goes against that agenda, of coursethey're going to come out against it.
I don't, I don't, Idon't understand. I don't understand what is
to be gained here, Rich,I don't understand what is to be gained
by the PTA wanting to get betweena child and a parent, is it.
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So they feel good about themselves becausethey really believe that they're saving young
lives, even though science I reallythink that this is about outing a child,
and they don't think that it's aschool's place to out a child.
So that's what they're saying. Butthe reality is is it's about keeping secrets
from parents, right, And it'snot the school's job. It is not
the state's job to raise a child. It is a parent's job to raise
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a child. And when a childis going through any kind of emotion or
a psychological distress, and let's behonest, adolescents in puberty is traumatic for
everybody. It is the parent's responsibilityto take on that role and loving,
nurturing, guiding and mentoring that theirchild. It is abhorrent to me that
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a school and the state and thegovernment would say, no, we're going
to keep this from the parent andprevent the parent from doing what the parents
instinctively know to do. Right.Somebody sent me a very funny email some
time ago, and I wish Icould remember who said it, but he
essentially said, you know what ifwhat if a student went to a tea
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and said, I've decided to becomea Christian and my parents aren't Christian.
You know, it would be outrageousfor a student to do that. But
at what point, at what pointdo you tell the parents? If a
child comes to you and says,I'm addicted to heroin, do you tell
the parents? Then? Well,here's that's a great question. Any is
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a great question because the other thingthat I'm wondering is if the schools are
keeping secrets from parents on an issuesomething like this, what other things are
the keeping from parents? Do theparents know what is in the curriculum?
Yeap, oh no, no,that's that's one of the issues we've already
found. Yeah, we've already sold. I think it's it's a very it's
a dangerous thing that we are livingin a system where the government is keeping
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secrets and where we know And wecan talk about secrets a little bit more
later on, but I really thinkthat this is harmful to children, and
I think that when you really getdown to the crux of this, this
is about destroying the family unit.And I'm glad you said that because that's
where I was going next, becauseultimately I have lived through friends of mine
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coming out to their parents and itwas a terrible experience back in the eighties.
Right, since this was back inthe late eighties early nineties, but
since then, I have worked withyounger coworkers who are openly gay, and
I always ask them, how didyou come out to your parents? I'm
just curious. I would love toknow what that was like to a person.
They said some variation of they wereincredibly supportive, or they were a
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little upset and not sure what todo, but we talked through it and
we worked it out and now theyare supportive, or I decided not to
tell them for a variety of reasons. And these are adults now, so
who am I going to get intheir business? Right, I'm not going
to get in that business. Butthe notion that somehow every parent has to
be suspect when in my mind,from the outside looking in, one of
the things that the gay community hasbeen fighting for for decades is acceptance,
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right, and I think we've achievedthat. And I would just say that
if the reason they do this isto protect the children, and they don't,
that's why the schools are keeping secretsfrom the parents, is because they
don't want their child being They don'twant a child, their student being abused
by a parent who maybe sure comethat way, if their child came out
as transgender, then it is yourjob as a mandated reporter to report that
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to the state. That's not yourjob to keep secrets from parents. I
agree. What kind of response doyou get as your collecting signatures and how
many do you have so far?Do you know? I have no idea,
to be honest with you. Wehave petitions out all over the state
and we are starting to get themback, so that's where we're at.
And then, of course you know, we have the Secretary of State that
we have to go through the caringprocess with and who knows when do you
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have to turn in all your signatures. We are collecting those and turning them
in August fifth, Okay, soyou have been another month yep. So
we're hoping to have all the petitionsback. The last day of July is
our dropped in dead date, sowe can collect them all because the other
thing, you know, with twopetitions, I too initiative, I have
to separate all of those out andthen so I'll tell you it's going well.
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The response that I get, Iwill say this emphatically as I have
traveled to day. I have beento sixty of Colorado, sixty four counties,
and I have talked to all kindsof groups, all kinds of religious
groups, political groups, A politicalgroups, civic groups, Democrats, Libertarians,
Republicans, unaffiliated. This is nota left versus right issue. This
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is a right versus wrong issue.And I have had Democrats in Steamboat Springs
and Boulder signing my petition saying thisis common sense. And I will tell
you the other thing when the theLGB, I call them the ALPHABETI spaghetti
group, when they want to comeat you and say, oh, this
is discrimination, this is transphobia.This is not about that, right.
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This is about listen, I'm goingto use their buzzwords because they love them.
This is about ensuring equality for womenand the women in sports. This,
this initiative, which for me isjust a no brainer, would prevent
any male, any any natal male, anyone born male, from participating in
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sports that are intended for middle schoolor secondary school for males. So girls'
sports only. And it only goesfrom middle school to high school because in
elementary school everything is pretty much CODs. Right under the title twenty two right,
which is the statute, the titleof statutes that govern K through twelve,
and I specifically had that conversation withthis with the title word the other
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valid initiative one forty two makes itso that we're again they want to say,
oh, it's transphobic. Well,actually, I'm going to come from
the perspective of the gay man herethat by you chopping off the body parts
of a young gay boy, thatis the most homophobic thing that you can
do. And you're going to chopoff the breasts and mutilate the gentle of
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a young lesbian girl. There's nothingmore misogynist or nothing more homophobic than mutilating
young gay and lesbian boys and girls. Because the reality is is that most
kids who experience gender dyspia, asevere level of gender dysporia, are actually
gay. That's what research has found, Yes, like eighty percent end up
being gay. And that's why,if you you know, going back to
what we said a minute ago,ninety seven and a half percent of those
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children who are allowed to just gothrough the phase of life without any kind
of intervention wind up reconciling with theirnatle sex and they just are like,
oh, I'm gay, I'm lesbian. Like I I am honestly very thankful
that I never had to grow upin this day and age because I was
the young boy who I like toclean, I like to cook, I
like to have feminine tendency. Idid have feminine tendencies, although I still
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pop the Barbie head off on,like wow, my sister's Barbie dolls.
But you know what, later onin life, I agree that I can
change a starter on a car,just like any other straight man. Well
maybe not a new car. Well, nobody can change the start on a
new car. They've made it toocomplicated. So rich, Where can people?
Everybody Alas says, where can Isign the petition? Is there a
place, a Facebook page or anythingthat has We're going to be out here
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signing petitions or should they just scopeout the grocery store where they're shopping.
We are going to be at theRockies game tonight. Oh wow, so
don't listen to it on eight pointfifty. Go to the Rockies game and
signer petition. The other places theycan go to is sorry you d You
can go to protect Kids Colorado dotorg and you can find out where we're
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at. We are on Facebook.We are on all of the socials,
and of course we're like I said, we're all over the state. So
if you want to find out whereand when we're going to be in your
corner of the state and in yourtown, you can do that by going
to the Protect Kids Colorado dot orgwebsite. And to be clear, they
are not you are not paying petitionyathers. They have no money. We
are volunteers. Yeah, it's allvolunteers. So if this gets on the
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ballot, it is going to bethrough the herculean efforts of all of the
volunteers. So if you see these, what are the numbers of the initiatives,
one forty two and one sixty.Also, we like I said,
we just weay between the caller OPTAand the special Initiatives coalition that has been
formed that have already raised half amillion dollars. If there are anybody out
there who has money and they're likewhat should I do with this money,
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Please go to Protect Kids Colorado anddonate it, because getting it onto the
ballot is only the first step.Right then you have to campaign for it.
Then we have to campaign for it, and we're already half a million
dollars behind the eight ball right,well, behind the opposition is what you're
saying. Somebody just said, whatis the source of the ninety seven percent?
That is the cast Review, whichwas a a study on outcomes and
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the science behind transitioning kids, anda pediatrician, I don't know her first
name, doctor Cass. She didthis very complete study that is easy to
read. It is easy to read, and it just demonstrated that the quote
science that is being touted by themafia is not based on science. A
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lot of it is based on proclamationsby activists and it's not accurate. And
the peer review that is going through, the science is going through that supports
gender firming care is actually circular,meaning that yeah, it's all this little
close knit community of scientists and medicalprofessionals that are just basically all on the
same board. The people can alsogo to Radar dot Gays against Groomers dot
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com and we have all of thesethings on there about genderfirming care and it
is all peer reviewed. Also,all the stuff that we cite, we
have all of the journal articles atthe bottom. You can go through and
read it. You can get justwe bring it down into like the layman's
terms. But if you are oneof those brainiac peoples like me who loves
to read journal articles, you canclick on the links to all of those
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doois down at the bottom of allof our journal articles, and we go
everything from the social transitioning all theway through to the wrong sex hormones to
the pure pretty blockers, and allof the harms that we know this is
causing not just children, but italso does it to adults. Somebody just
ask you should go to the GreeleyStampede. Oh, you're going to be
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there. You're going to be fantastic. One of we have a number of
our organization, Gays Against Groomers,and she'll be out there also. So
we are literally all over the state. Sorry to tell everybody that Gays against
Groomers is all over the states.So well, let's do a really we
got like two minutes left, solet's talk about parasol patrol for just a
minute. You I want to beclear about what you personally have given up
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because of your stances, because alot of people in the gay community now
hate you. Oh, I receivefar more hate from the gay community.
The ALPHABETI spaghetti than I do Quardymafia. Cordy mafia is what somebody just
called it here because it's just alla bunch of me and they have it's.
Parasol Patrol was also behind getting mebanned from trade the Gay Bar in
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Denver as well as they tried toblock me from getting in from Denver Pride
this weekkend. They like to tellpeople that they are a non violent,
peaceful group, and I called themout on it. They stalk, they
harass, they bully, they intimidate, and if necessary, they use physical
violence. And they they're you know, and they're Jill Jill Biden moment We're
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like, oh, he's a lawyer, and I'm like, well, actually
I have the police reports to backit up. And I posted two videos.
One of them was them this weekendin Manitou Springs assaulting a woman and
a man at Pride and Manitoo Springsphysically assaulting them, and then another one
is from a pro life rally atthe Capitol where Eli is on. The
leader of Parasol Patrol was remember wordsare violence, yes, so verbally assaulting
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a member of the law enforcement.Can we just talk about that cop and
how metal like I mean honestly,because he's getting, you know, yelled
at, and he's like, hey, backup, buddy, yes, and
then he physically assaults another member ofthe community. I believe it was a
woman, and he's like, youknow, he's yelling at her, he's
cursing at her, he's trying tointimidate and bully and push. Angry man.
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He's an angry butchman. So wehave and I have videos of parasol
patrol in Brooklyn attacking a journalist,physically attacking a journalist at a drag Queen
story time in Brooklyn. We havevideo of them attacking somebody in Missouri,
and I have at least three othervideos of them assaulting people right here in
Colorado. So if you I wason wants to call me a liar,
I got the receipts and I'll putthat up on my social media. You
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can find it on fifty two toeighty based Homo on X. It's actually
been retweeted by Sebastian Gorka nice,nice, rich lots of people saying please
do send them up north. I'vebeen looking all over Thornton to sign and
I'm only finding the other petition.So oh well, I'll tell you what.
If you guys meet them up inThornton, go ahead and send us
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a message up on our protect KidsColorado dot org website, and I will
make sure that we get them outto you, because I know we're up
there all right, protect Kids Coloradodot org. I'm gonna put it on
the blog. I didn't put iton on OI Mrich google him. A
joy to see you as always,my friend. Thanks Manning
I am now the co chapter leader, so we have very nice help.
I have help and she's fantastic.I'll have to introduce you sometime to her.
Bring her on. Her name isGina, and she and her wife
have some teenage daughters that are involvedin sports, and so this is an
near and dear issue to her heart. I would guess let's start with an
(00:20):
update of where you are with theballot initiative signature gathering process, because on
the blog today, I have anarticle linked that has I mean, there's
like twenty ballot initiatives right now.Seven of them are not going to be
done because John Caldera has come outand said we're not spending money on this.
We'll talk about that later in theshow. But you've got two ballot
initiatives that you're working on, oneto protect women's sports and one that would
(00:44):
do something that should need to bedone by you know, legal edicts,
but that is it would force schoolsto inform parents when their child expresses gender
discomfort or dysphoria or wants to usedifferent pronouns, just bring the parents in
the loop. And part of thatis in Colorado, a child that's over
the age of twelve can receive wraparound services, including medical services, to
(01:07):
affirm their gender identity in school,and the school does not have to inform
the parents, so the parents don'thave to give consent for their child transitioned
at school. Absolutely insanity. Imean, I just I can't even believe
that we're even having that conversation.I can't either, but it's Colorado,
Yeah, because I'm guessing that theyif the child ends up with a suicide
(01:29):
attempt or whatever after that, thenthe school has no responsibility for that.
I'm guessing. I'm just probably,Well, you know that suicide rates increase
twelve twelvefold after a child transitions,So when they're telling you, oh,
we got to transition this child becausewould you rather have a transchild or a
dead child, they are absolutely gaslightingyou. The science and the facts do
(01:51):
not back up well. The CASTreview out of the UK has been really
illuminating and it has been fascinating towatch the people in the trans movement do
everything they can to discredit the authorof the CAST review as a longtime pediatrician
who actually did gender affirming care atone point. They have tried to deny
(02:14):
all of the realities that are inthat report without actually giving good science.
On the other side, they can'trebut the actual findings of the CAST review,
which is that a vast majority ofchildren that experienced gender dys for you,
if they are just left alone anda half percent, yeah, they
eventually come to terms with their owngender, which is which is the ideal
(02:35):
way, because the other way,the transitioning makes you a lifelong medical patient.
It does well, and that thatrate there, I think is why
we're seeing the tide shift in Europebecause they have the nationalized medical model right
and here in the United States,where it's privatized, it's a piece of
Priker Strikers Rose Foundation, and wecan talk about Rose in just a second.
(03:00):
These medical organizations, the big pharmaindustry, they're the ones that are
profiting off of and they are profitinghandily. I mean, like, yes,
you know that I read something manylike three or four years ago that
a trans teenager represents like a millionand a half dollars in all the lifetime.
Yes, yeah, yeah, Andit's really unfortunate because this is one
(03:23):
of the big reasons that I havefor this, and this is to me,
it is literally we're not just prayingon children. We're not just mutilating
children, we're not just sterilizing childrenand robbing them of their innocence and destroying
their future. But it is homophobicbecause these are there, and they're also
if we really stop to think aboutit, they're preying upon vulnerable parents.
(03:46):
Because a parent sees a child havingemotional distress, they're going to do anything
they can to protect their chub.So it's extremely predatory both against children and
against parents. And I don't understandhow we don't are not waking up to
the fact that this is what's happeningright here in Colorado, and we are
the tip of the spear here inColorado. Well, I will say this.
(04:08):
I read a fascinating article some timeago that said part of the issue
with walking ourselves back from this ledgeright with saying, Okay, we've gone
too far, we've made some badchoices, and we've heard some kids because
of it, is that you nowhave the parents of kids who have transitioned
who are the biggest advocates because theycannot admit they were wrong, because admitting
(04:30):
they were wrong meant that they activelyparticipated at harm to their child, and
no parent wants to admit in anyway shape, especially a parent that was
acting on the best advice of themedical community at the time, You know
what I mean. And that's theproblem is is the medical community is actively
pushing it. They've written the textbooksin such a way that it's not just
medical, but it's psychological and psychiatriccare right pushing this agenda. And it's
(04:55):
not going to be I think untillater on when we see those children who
were sent to the chop shop actuallysue the medical practitioners. And that's happening
right now, and we're seeing moreand more of that, people that say
they were rushed to transition, theydidn't have proper therapy, they should have
been given other kinds of therapy forthe depression or their autism at a diagnosis,
and it's just it's we're going tolook back on this time with deep
(05:19):
shame for what we did to children. I agree. I agree. Let's
talk about where your initiatives are rightnow. You're in the extremely cumbersome petition
gathering, the signature gathering phase.How is that going. I think it's
going well. I was just outat that worship thing they had at the
(05:41):
Capitol this weekend. I got onehundred and two signatures by myself and we
had about eight other people that aregathering signatures also. And you know,
I love that we actually have onemember of the so called media height Beetle
you mentioned names. Thank you,Sean for all of my free advertising you
do. So they did a storyon it, and I you know what,
(06:01):
I will just tell you it isgoing so well that a special issues
committee has been organized in Colorado calledProtect LGBTQ plus Coloradin's and I believe it
was thirty thousand dollars has come fromthe Rose Foundation. So going back to
Rose Radical, thirty thousand dollars Ibelieve has come from out Boulder County.
(06:26):
And by the way, I invitedthe gentleman from out Boulder County on the
show. He reached out the lasttime that you were on and said,
look, rich name checked us.Oh, we'd love to have you on.
We went back and forth, youknow, gave a couple times,
and then we went and then hejust stopped responding. Oh well, but
I said, I welcome you onthe show to talk about your feelings about
these initiatives. I welcome you onthe show to present the other side of
(06:47):
the issue, and I have notheard back. So if he reaches out
again again, I would love tohave him on the show. I'd like
to do every side of the sizeof the story, right, Every coin
has two sides, right. Butironically, I believe it was close to
sixty thousand dollars or seventy five thousanddollars has come from this organization called Equality
Federation Institute, and they are outof Portland, Oregon. Right. So
(07:09):
the fact that this special initiative ora special special group has been formed to
try and defeat these initiatives and they'rebringing in out of state money is telling
you that they think that we area serious threat. And some you know
again, the Colorado PTA has alsocome out in opposition to these initiatives.
What yeah, Well, I meanthe Colorado PTA. They have these agendas
(07:33):
that they want to indoctor and meetyour children in school, and if that
goes against that agenda, of coursethey're going to come out against it.
I don't, I don't, Idon't understand. I don't understand what is
to be gained here, Rich,I don't understand what is to be gained
by the PTA wanting to get betweena child and a parent, is it.
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So they feel good about themselves becausethey really believe that they're saving young
lives, even though science I reallythink that this is about outing a child,
and they don't think that it's aschool's place to out a child.
So that's what they're saying. Butthe reality is is it's about keeping secrets
from parents, right, And it'snot the school's job. It is not
the state's job to raise a child. It is a parent's job to raise
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a child. And when a childis going through any kind of emotion or
a psychological distress, and let's behonest, adolescents in puberty is traumatic for
everybody. It is the parent's responsibilityto take on that role and loving,
nurturing, guiding and mentoring that theirchild. It is abhorrent to me that
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a school and the state and thegovernment would say, no, we're going
to keep this from the parent andprevent the parent from doing what the parents
instinctively know to do. Right.Somebody sent me a very funny email some
time ago, and I wish Icould remember who said it, but he
essentially said, you know what ifwhat if a student went to a tea
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and said, I've decided to becomea Christian and my parents aren't Christian.
You know, it would be outrageousfor a student to do that. But
at what point, at what pointdo you tell the parents? If a
child comes to you and says,I'm addicted to heroin, do you tell
the parents? Then? Well,here's that's a great question. Any is
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a great question because the other thingthat I'm wondering is if the schools are
keeping secrets from parents on an issuesomething like this, what other things are
the keeping from parents? Do theparents know what is in the curriculum?
Yeap, oh no, no,that's that's one of the issues we've already
found. Yeah, we've already sold. I think it's it's a very it's
a dangerous thing that we are livingin a system where the government is keeping
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secrets and where we know And wecan talk about secrets a little bit more
later on, but I really thinkthat this is harmful to children, and
I think that when you really getdown to the crux of this, this
is about destroying the family unit.And I'm glad you said that because that's
where I was going next, becauseultimately I have lived through friends of mine
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coming out to their parents and itwas a terrible experience back in the eighties.
Right, since this was back inthe late eighties early nineties, but
since then, I have worked withyounger coworkers who are openly gay, and
I always ask them, how didyou come out to your parents? I'm
just curious. I would love toknow what that was like to a person.
They said some variation of they wereincredibly supportive, or they were a
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little upset and not sure what todo, but we talked through it and
we worked it out and now theyare supportive, or I decided not to
tell them for a variety of reasons. And these are adults now, so
who am I going to get intheir business? Right, I'm not going
to get in that business. Butthe notion that somehow every parent has to
be suspect when in my mind,from the outside looking in, one of
the things that the gay community hasbeen fighting for for decades is acceptance,
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right, and I think we've achievedthat. And I would just say that
if the reason they do this isto protect the children, and they don't,
that's why the schools are keeping secretsfrom the parents, is because they
don't want their child being They don'twant a child, their student being abused
by a parent who maybe sure comethat way, if their child came out
as transgender, then it is yourjob as a mandated reporter to report that
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to the state. That's not yourjob to keep secrets from parents. I
agree. What kind of response doyou get as your collecting signatures and how
many do you have so far?Do you know? I have no idea,
to be honest with you. Wehave petitions out all over the state
and we are starting to get themback, so that's where we're at.
And then, of course you know, we have the Secretary of State that
we have to go through the caringprocess with and who knows when do you
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have to turn in all your signatures. We are collecting those and turning them
in August fifth, Okay, soyou have been another month yep. So
we're hoping to have all the petitionsback. The last day of July is
our dropped in dead date, sowe can collect them all because the other
thing, you know, with twopetitions, I too initiative, I have
to separate all of those out andthen so I'll tell you it's going well.
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The response that I get, Iwill say this emphatically as I have
traveled to day. I have beento sixty of Colorado, sixty four counties,
and I have talked to all kindsof groups, all kinds of religious
groups, political groups, A politicalgroups, civic groups, Democrats, Libertarians,
Republicans, unaffiliated. This is nota left versus right issue. This
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is a right versus wrong issue.And I have had Democrats in Steamboat Springs
and Boulder signing my petition saying thisis common sense. And I will tell
you the other thing when the theLGB, I call them the ALPHABETI spaghetti
group, when they want to comeat you and say, oh, this
is discrimination, this is transphobia.This is not about that, right.
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This is about listen, I'm goingto use their buzzwords because they love them.
This is about ensuring equality for womenand the women in sports. This,
this initiative, which for me isjust a no brainer, would prevent
any male, any any natal male, anyone born male, from participating in
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sports that are intended for middle schoolor secondary school for males. So girls'
sports only. And it only goesfrom middle school to high school because in
elementary school everything is pretty much CODs. Right under the title twenty two right,
which is the statute, the titleof statutes that govern K through twelve,
and I specifically had that conversation withthis with the title word the other
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valid initiative one forty two makes itso that we're again they want to say,
oh, it's transphobic. Well,actually, I'm going to come from
the perspective of the gay man herethat by you chopping off the body parts
of a young gay boy, thatis the most homophobic thing that you can
do. And you're going to chopoff the breasts and mutilate the gentle of
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a young lesbian girl. There's nothingmore misogynist or nothing more homophobic than mutilating
young gay and lesbian boys and girls. Because the reality is is that most
kids who experience gender dyspia, asevere level of gender dysporia, are actually
gay. That's what research has found, Yes, like eighty percent end up
being gay. And that's why,if you you know, going back to
what we said a minute ago,ninety seven and a half percent of those
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children who are allowed to just gothrough the phase of life without any kind
of intervention wind up reconciling with theirnatle sex and they just are like,
oh, I'm gay, I'm lesbian. Like I I am honestly very thankful
that I never had to grow upin this day and age because I was
the young boy who I like toclean, I like to cook, I
like to have feminine tendency. Idid have feminine tendencies, although I still
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pop the Barbie head off on,like wow, my sister's Barbie dolls.
But you know what, later onin life, I agree that I can
change a starter on a car,just like any other straight man. Well
maybe not a new car. Well, nobody can change the start on a
new car. They've made it toocomplicated. So rich, Where can people?
Everybody Alas says, where can Isign the petition? Is there a
place, a Facebook page or anythingthat has We're going to be out here
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signing petitions or should they just scopeout the grocery store where they're shopping.
We are going to be at theRockies game tonight. Oh wow, so
don't listen to it on eight pointfifty. Go to the Rockies game and
signer petition. The other places theycan go to is sorry you d You
can go to protect Kids Colorado dotorg and you can find out where we're
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at. We are on Facebook.We are on all of the socials,
and of course we're like I said, we're all over the state. So
if you want to find out whereand when we're going to be in your
corner of the state and in yourtown, you can do that by going
to the Protect Kids Colorado dot orgwebsite. And to be clear, they
are not you are not paying petitionyathers. They have no money. We
are volunteers. Yeah, it's allvolunteers. So if this gets on the
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ballot, it is going to bethrough the herculean efforts of all of the
volunteers. So if you see these, what are the numbers of the initiatives,
one forty two and one sixty.Also, we like I said,
we just weay between the caller OPTAand the special Initiatives coalition that has been
formed that have already raised half amillion dollars. If there are anybody out
there who has money and they're likewhat should I do with this money,
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Please go to Protect Kids Colorado anddonate it, because getting it onto the
ballot is only the first step.Right then you have to campaign for it.
Then we have to campaign for it, and we're already half a million
dollars behind the eight ball right,well, behind the opposition is what you're
saying. Somebody just said, whatis the source of the ninety seven percent?
That is the cast Review, whichwas a a study on outcomes and
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the science behind transitioning kids, anda pediatrician, I don't know her first
name, doctor Cass. She didthis very complete study that is easy to
read. It is easy to read, and it just demonstrated that the quote
science that is being touted by themafia is not based on science. A
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lot of it is based on proclamationsby activists and it's not accurate. And
the peer review that is going through, the science is going through that supports
gender firming care is actually circular,meaning that yeah, it's all this little
close knit community of scientists and medicalprofessionals that are just basically all on the
same board. The people can alsogo to Radar dot Gays against Groomers dot
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com and we have all of thesethings on there about genderfirming care and it
is all peer reviewed. Also,all the stuff that we cite, we
have all of the journal articles atthe bottom. You can go through and
read it. You can get justwe bring it down into like the layman's
terms. But if you are oneof those brainiac peoples like me who loves
to read journal articles, you canclick on the links to all of those
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doois down at the bottom of allof our journal articles, and we go
everything from the social transitioning all theway through to the wrong sex hormones to
the pure pretty blockers, and allof the harms that we know this is
causing not just children, but italso does it to adults. Somebody just
ask you should go to the GreeleyStampede. Oh, you're going to be
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there. You're going to be fantastic. One of we have a number of
our organization, Gays Against Groomers,and she'll be out there also. So
we are literally all over the state. Sorry to tell everybody that Gays against
Groomers is all over the states.So well, let's do a really we
got like two minutes left, solet's talk about parasol patrol for just a
minute. You I want to beclear about what you personally have given up
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because of your stances, because alot of people in the gay community now
hate you. Oh, I receivefar more hate from the gay community.
The ALPHABETI spaghetti than I do Quardymafia. Cordy mafia is what somebody just
called it here because it's just alla bunch of me and they have it's.
Parasol Patrol was also behind getting mebanned from trade the Gay Bar in
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Denver as well as they tried toblock me from getting in from Denver Pride
this weekkend. They like to tellpeople that they are a non violent,
peaceful group, and I called themout on it. They stalk, they
harass, they bully, they intimidate, and if necessary, they use physical
violence. And they they're you know, and they're Jill Jill Biden moment We're
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like, oh, he's a lawyer, and I'm like, well, actually
I have the police reports to backit up. And I posted two videos.
One of them was them this weekendin Manitou Springs assaulting a woman and
a man at Pride and Manitoo Springsphysically assaulting them, and then another one
is from a pro life rally atthe Capitol where Eli is on. The
leader of Parasol Patrol was remember wordsare violence, yes, so verbally assaulting
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a member of the law enforcement.Can we just talk about that cop and
how metal like I mean honestly,because he's getting, you know, yelled
at, and he's like, hey, backup, buddy, yes, and
then he physically assaults another member ofthe community. I believe it was a
woman, and he's like, youknow, he's yelling at her, he's
cursing at her, he's trying tointimidate and bully and push. Angry man.
(20:07):
He's an angry butchman. So wehave and I have videos of parasol
patrol in Brooklyn attacking a journalist,physically attacking a journalist at a drag Queen
story time in Brooklyn. We havevideo of them attacking somebody in Missouri,
and I have at least three othervideos of them assaulting people right here in
Colorado. So if you I wason wants to call me a liar,
I got the receipts and I'll putthat up on my social media. You
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can find it on fifty two toeighty based Homo on X. It's actually
been retweeted by Sebastian Gorka nice,nice, rich lots of people saying please
do send them up north. I'vebeen looking all over Thornton to sign and
I'm only finding the other petition.So oh well, I'll tell you what.
If you guys meet them up inThornton, go ahead and send us
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a message up on our protect KidsColorado dot org website, and I will
make sure that we get them outto you, because I know we're up
there all right, protect Kids Coloradodot org. I'm gonna put it on
the blog. I didn't put iton on OI Mrich google him. A
joy to see you as always,my friend. Thanks Manning
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