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kids. Those are the headlines onthe blog at mandy'sblog dot com. And
I'm zipping right back up to thetop because I'm listening to Ross's show on
the way in today, a rod, will you do me a huge favor?

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Yes, it's a huge favor.I made a cup of coffee on
the crrig and then I just forgotto bring it in and it's already got
all the stuff in it. Ijust need it transported from point A to
point B. Now I owe youplease don't make any jokes about me ordering
a rod to go get coffee.That's small. What's happen that I almost
made the jokes? And I'll goget it. I'll try to break anything.

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I'll do my best. I'll domy best anyway. So I'm listening
to Ross on the way in andhe's playing some audio of the of the
President being vigorous, full of vigor. The vigure just oozed out of the
radio. It was I had tododge the vigger multiple times. I was
like, whoa, there goes thevigger. So the president was talking about

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climate change, blah blah blah,whatever, it was fine, and and
Ross made the point like this guy, it's it's not enough as much as
the Democrats are going to try anddo what they have successfully done many many
times before, and that is convincepeople that they did not see what they

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thought they saw, Convince people thatit was a relatively well completely unknown video
that sparked the uprising in BEng Ghazi, convinced you of things that are so
obvious, ridiculous, and yet peoplebelieve them. So I mean, I'm
guessing I'm just spitballing here that theDemocrats believe they're they're gonna be able to

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somehow pull this out, but they'regonna put him out there in every situation,
but only between ten am and fouras often as possible, Like,
can we just get it down betweenten am and four that we're gonna put
a lid on it? Because todayon the blog, and I didn't even
put all the stories that I sawof this, of this ILK on the
blog. Today, I have astory on the blog about how a White

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House photographer has come forward to saythat everybody knows and knew that Joe Biden's
cognitive health had declined significantly and thelast time This dude worked in the White
House May of twenty twenty two.That's how long ago. So this is

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not new. That's the narrative that'sbeing sold, by the way. And
I'm gonna play a little audio herein just a moment, yea, when
a rid so generously brings me mycoffee. I want to play some audio
from Carl Bernstein. He was onwith Anderson Cooper on CNN. Y'all,
CNN is in a full blown tailspinover this entire situation. They can't even

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hide their upset, cannot hide it. It's just it's crazy. But we're
supposed to believe we didn't see whatwe all clearly saw, and the gaslighting
may or may not work. Okay, So I want to play this audio,
and this is long. I haveenough time to play it here,
but I want you to listen tothis exchange. This is Carl Bernstein who
was instrumental in bringing down Richard Nixon. He and his partner Bob Woodward dug

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relentlessly and got the information that createdthe Watergate scandal that eventually led to the
resignation of Richard Nixon. So thisguy is known for dogged, determined journalism.
Listen to this journalist. So,Carl, according to people that you've
been talking to, what are youhearing? Well? These are people,
several of them who are very closeto Resident Biden, who love him,
have supported them and been among them, or some people who have raised a

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lot of money for him, andthey are adamant that what we saw the
other night that Joe Biden we sawis not a one off. That there
have been fifteen twenty occasions in thelast year and a half when the President
has appeared somewhat as he did inthat horror show. Now, I want

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to stop it right there, becauseyou and I we already knew this.
You and I have been talking aboutthis for years, but now just now
people who love him have started tonotice the changes. I'll let him continue
that we witness. And what's sosignificant is the people that this is coming

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from, and also how many peoplearound the president are aware of such incidents,
including some reporters incidentally, who havewitnessed some of them. Want to
stop there because he just admitted thatWhite House Press Corps members are covering up

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the president's cognitive decline. And Isaid this to Ross a little bit ago.
Think about how broad this particular conspiracy, and I am using that word
correctly, and this is not aconspiracy theory because now we've seen we've seen
the reality of Joe Biden's cognitive declinefor ourselves. We have witnessed it firsthand.

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We don't need to rely on secondopinions. We have seen it right.
But yet now we're being told thatthere were tons of people, white
House staff, part people in theadministration, people in the White House Press
corps who saw these episodes and justdecided not to report them. Now,

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if Donald Trump was president and hesuffered obvious cognitive decline, and you can
Trump paters can just save the text. Now, I know what you're going
to say. It's fine anyway,But imagine that they saw the instances that
we have seen with Joe Biden andit was Donald Trump. Do you think
that they would have held fire forone second on that story. Of course

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not, it would have been thefront page of every newspaper. But because
they are all Democrats and they wanttheir team in power, they would rather
have a man who is only fullyaware according to his aides, from ten
am to four pm, running thegreatest nation in the free world. Now,

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say what you will about Donald Trump. I don't care. I'm not
talking about Donald Trump right now.I am talking about all of the people
who were complicit in hiding the truthabout what was going on with Joe Biden's
health, knowing, knowing that hewas struggling mightily, but so desperately wanting

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to cling to their own power whereverthat power was derived, that they were
willing to let the country be ledby whom Who is leading the country?
Now, that's a legitimate, validquestion. Who picks up the phone at
three o'clock in the morning, doctorJill? Did you guys? Did you
guys like vote for doctor Jill?No, you did not. You did

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not, nor did I. Iam legitimately asking any Biden supporter who they
are actually voting for, because ifthey say, I'm gona vote for Joe
Biden, okay, great, whoelse are you voting for? Because he's
clearly not capable of rarning the country. Now, this is one of the
most stressful jobs on the planet,if not the most stressful job on the

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planet. It has been demonstrated timeand time and time again how it ages
the people that have to assume therole, and yet we're we're all supposed
to just blow by the fact thatthis incredibly difficult, incredibly stressful job is
currently held by a man who isnot up to the task. And this

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is not I'm not blaming him.He has no idea. Probably he has
no clue because his wife stands therelooking at him like he's a toddler.
To congratulate him for answering all thequestions. Holy cow, you guys,
and behind the scenes everyone in hisadministration knew it. The freaking White House

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photographer is now coming out to say, oh, everybody knew it. Oh,
but I'll let Carl Bernstein continue.But here we see tonight, as
these people say, President Biden athis absolute best, and yet these people
who have supported him, loved him, campaign for him, see him often

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say that in the last six monthsparticularly, there has been a marked incidents
of cognitive decline and physical in WhatI wonder about is the people who were
working with him at Camp David,allegedly in this intensive debate prep if there
were concerns there about this, andI don't know if you haven't got any

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word about that, but how anybodyinvolved in that debate prep, I mean,
didn't anybody see something wrong? Thedebate prep was was supervised by Ron
Klain, who has been with PresidentBiden for many years. And people I've
talked to have all been to ronKlain in the last year to say,
we have a problem. We havea see now he goes from this all

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happened in the last six months toa year ago, we have a problem.
This is why ron Klain being incharge of the debate prep is why
I have the theory that the Democratsare going to let Joe Biden be the
sacrificial land. They're going to dealwith a Trump presidency by going the exact
same thing they did in the firstworld, which is relentlessly attack him and

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try to gin up absolute distrust inanything and everything he does, and therefore
his entire agenda will be impossible,absolutely impossible to get done. And then
they get their person in for twentytwenty eight. Bada bing bata boom.
There you go, simple, easypeasing. But I'll let this continue problems

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such as we saw the other nightthat there have been numerous instances where the
president has lost his train of thoughtcan't pick it up again. There was
a fundraiser at which he started atthe podium and then he became very stiff,
according to the people there, asif it were almost a kind of
rigor mortis. This was allegedly inJunior twenty two. This was June.

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This was a year ago, almostexactly, at the old Four Seasons restaurant
on Park Avenue, and he becamevery stiff and a chair had to be
brought for him to the latter partof the Now, do you remember hearing
anything about this? Do you guysremember hearing a story of a Biden fundraiser?

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And maybe it was out there andI just didn't see it. That
is possible. I don't see everythingas hard as I try. Biden fundraiser.
I'm just looking right now. Chairhad to be brought. Let's see,
this is Carl Bernstein. Yeah,from six hours ago, from a

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year ago. It's about how heraised twenty six million out of star studded
New York fundraiser. I'll let Carlcontinue event I think that that what these
folks are saying and have been sayingfor a while is, yes, he's
great when we see him, asas we have tonight, but he also
has these inexplicable moments that we arevery concerned about. And you ron Klain

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and the First family. We needto talk about this, and they've been
pushed back repeatedly whenever it's been broughtup, And well, he just said,
inexplicably, Oh, these things theykeep happening. Inexplicably. Inexplicable means
without explanation. Anyone who has everwatched a parent or a grandparent age,

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we've already seen this show, right. We know that this is a part
of the human condition. And it'ssad that it's happening on the stage,
the world stage like this, thatwe are all collectively seeing his decline in
real time. But as much asI may feel sorry for him, apparently
I feel more sorry for him thanhis wife. As much as I feel

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sorry for him, I have toremember he's also got the most important job
in the entire world, and I'dlike to know exactly exactly how we fix
that part of it. But they'renot done. They're almost done, if
finished. In the interview, aredid your sources tell you about topics he's
particularly engaged in or are there notonly and it's not just these same people.

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There is no question I have heardfor two years how sharp Joe Biden
is in the National security meetings.He has special briefing books on Ukraine,
on the situation in Gaza that godown into very detailed military reports. He
has an absolute command of the factsas sharp as can be. You see

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the evidence of his being the chairmanof the Foreign Relations Committee in the Senate,
of his work as Vice President onForeign Relations. So we're clearly dealing
with two sets of one person,and it really needs to be explored.
According to the people I'm talking to, and I think an awful lot of
major Democrats believe this, including somewho have made statements to the contrary.

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But this is a problem. It'snot going to go away unless it's explicable.
Does this mean doctor's reports? Imean, obviously it'd be great if
we could have real doctor's reports fromboth candidates. Well, that's not gonna
happen. He's right, that's notgonna happen. That Carl Bernstein with Anderson
Cooper. It is explicable, youknow it is, but they don't want

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to say it. And for hisfamily to continue to double down his family.
I have a column on the blogtoday from The Federalist about how,
of course Hunter Biden wants his dadto continue if his dad is no longer
in office to run interference at theDOJ. Hunter Biden could be in real
trouble if his dad is no longerpresident, where you can use the dangle

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of a call from his father tomake business deals like he's done for his
entire adult life. His entire scamis over if Joe Biden leaves the White
House and doctor Jill, Oh,my doctor Jill loves being first Lady.
Apparently in the Vogue article, it'swritten about how heady it is to be
in a motorcade where you look outthe car window and see all of the

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people, you know, all ofthe people being prevented from going where they
need to go because your motor caidis going by with all the sirens and
everything. She loves being first Lady. This entire thing with Joe Biden is
gross. But what's truly disgusting isthe number of people who have either silently
agreed or maybe maybe they had aconversation and agreed to cover for the president

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and leave the country just hang usout to dry. I just I'm I'm
gobsmacked by the sheer size of whatI'm talking about, and I think I'm
right. You can always text us. If you think I'm wrong choa common
spirit Health Studio text line five sixsix nine. Oh, be right back.
I'm gonna skip around. I hopeI get them all because also good

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that there's so many. Uh,Mandy, your sacrificial lamb scenario takes care
of the Kamala problem too. Ifthey let Biden and Kamala go ahead and
go into this election knowing they're goingto lose, they don't have to worry
about that anymore. If here's theissue with Kamala Harris. She is wildly
unpopular, like crazy unpopular, likeI kind of feel sorry for her,

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that unpopular. So they're not goingto elevate her to the top of the
ticket because if they try, andby the way, this is a huge
if not even a done deal,not even a certain thing. If they
try to replace Biden at the topof the ticket, it is going to
create chaos for a lot of voterson the Democratic side, and they're going
to have to make sure that theycan consolidate all of their power bases,

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the African American vote being one ofthem, and they risk a lot by
not elevating her to that role.So there's a very lot of stuff going
on, but somebody said, yeah, that solves that problem. Biden hasn't
been fit for office, this textersince before he was elected, which is
why he hit in the basement andwouldn't debate. Democrats knew. But I

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love the fact he was a puppet. I think you have people like Obama
in the background, manipulating sleepy Joeand Obama at all are running our country.
I think you're right, Texter.I don't know if it's just Obama,
but there obviously are people running thecountry but they are not being held
responsible for anything because it's all Joeand Joe. You know what, Joe,

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we should probably prosecute him, buthe's He'll come across as an elderly
man with a bad memory. Youknow, it's fine. Let Joe take
the rap. Mandy, the pressis hidden Democrat frailties from us since FDR
and his wheelchair or Wilson and hisstroke, it's what they do. You
are absolutely right about those as well. Biden's VIM and vigor is in direct

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proportion to his proximity to a teleprompter, says one Texter. This one,
Mandy, this when this is byI retired living in a memory care facility
with activities from ten to four.Then I'll feel sorry for him because he
is the so called leader of thefree country. It is disgusting. He
is putting all of us at riskand it has to be on the verge
of criminal How many people will continueto prop him up and joke about this

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when they are threatened with treason?Yeah, you'd think, but they don't,
Mandy. A recent poll said thatthirty three percent of Americans think Biden
won the debate. As the Babylonb put it, thirty three percent of
Americans are dumber than a bag ofhammers. That is the definition of inexplicable,
correct, Mandy. It stresses meout as a twenty three year old

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man to see somebody with banana puddingfor brains deciding my future. I too
would be concerned, Mandy. Realstatesmen know when to step aside. I
will take issue with that statement ina moment. How anyone could think that
after another four years, Joe Bidenis going to leave on top with a
positive legacy is beyond my imagination.Now, I you know what, I'm

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not gonna take issue with that becauseyou put real statesman and that reel save
the statement because there are a lotof politicians who don't know when to step
aside. Uh Mandy, wait aminute, starting to sound like Boris Yeltsen
is in great health already, anddrop off is the picture of fitness.
Oh look they died. Inexplicability correct, absolutely correct. A friend says this

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texter believes that the Joe Biden wesee is actually an imposter, the third
one, and he's about to bereplaced soon. So that's like Dave on
steroids. Ooh ooh, a rod, a rod, a rod. I
just got an idea for a movie. Do you feel like write a movie?
We should write a movie. Ineed to hear more. Okay,
it's so, here's the movie.Okay, here it is. Picture if

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you will. A situation where there'sa president completely in control of everything,
and much like in the movie Dave, he has a massive stroke, but
they decide they're just gonna replace himwith a robot, because robot technology has
gotten to the point where they cancome up with a lifelike enough robot that
they can then control. But therobot becomes sentient and starts to develop its

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own personality and becomes a maniacal dictatorand they can't get him out of office
if I may with the title,because he's also a super judo chopper as
well. Yep, Weekend at Biden'sGone Wrong? Stop it right's right there,
Weekend at Biden's Gone Wrong. Yep, yep, yep. I'm telling

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you tho. Couldn't you see it? Like President would be like karate chopping
any day trying to stop him,but we'd be rooting for the maniacal president
because the other people were so bad. It would be amazing. Oh,
it's got to take place at CampDavid all over you know, all over
the world that it starts. Yeah, exactly. Please don't insult banana pudding.
It's one of my favorite desserts.Says that sister. I'm not.

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I'm not, I'm not eating.Bananas are a lot of fruit. I
like the flavor of but I can'tstand the way it feels in my mouth
the texture. But bananas, Ihate both the texture and the flavor.
Do you hate the texture of apples? Crunchy apples? No, squishy mushy
apples? Well, yeah, wholikes mushy apples? Lots of people eat
pushy apples. They sell them allover the grocery store. I think red

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macintosh apples are mushy. They haveto be crunchy, like a honey crisp.
You know, I talk about likeapple chips, like dehydrated. Oh
no, I'm not eating that.No, I'm not eating Here's why,
because I'd rather just eat a crunchyapple and cut out the middleman. I
don't need it, but take themoisture out and then I put it back

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in with my spit. I justeat the delicious dehydrate. Okay, well
you know what next time my parentscome around and far more likely to eat
dehydrated cauliflower, which is now athing, and I love it. Yes,
it's true, it's delicious. I'mout, low carb, high protein,
delicious. Okay, back to thewe got a ton of text messages.

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Still Democrats go to bed every nighthoping Joe has a devastating stroke.
However, he wouldn't be the firststroke added president to be hidden in his
bedroom while his wife runs the country. Of course they were talking about there
Edith Wilson. But also it's widelybelieved that Eleanor Roosevelt ran the country in
FDR's last term, which I thinkwas like find out how much of FDR's

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last term he served. I'm thinkinglike eighteen months maybe, or maybe it
wasn't even that long. Oh,apparently Bucky's has great banana pudding, says
this texter. This texter credits hiswife. Life is not on a teleprompter,
correct, Although can you imagine howamazing that would be if life was
on a teleprompter? If you justwalked into a meeting and they asked you

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a question and then it was like, boot, there you go. The
answer popped up, yup, thanksso much. We're headed there, and
we're all gonna have brains like bananaputting it. When that happens, when
we have to stop thinking I lovethe way blueberries pop in my mouth and
the slime covers my taste buds.That is exactly that's hate speech. What
you just did. Text her,I don't appreciate you. I don't appreciate

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you at all. Whin Yogi sendsthis, How about the AI president?
Actual actually becomes a form of Trumpand a karate shopping tyrant. Can you
imagine, Oh my gosh, winYogi, you have to go well,
I know she already went to theblog. She's my proofreader. She sends
me all my mistakes. It makesme look good. We have a video

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today on the blog of a guysinging Bohemian Rhapsody as Donald Trump eron.
I laughed entirely too hard at thatone. You gotta go look at it.
Joe is a clone, and thecopies get worse and worse as you
replace them. He yeah, onemore segment on this. This person just

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said it. I want to knowwho's really calling the shots in the White
House. And I think that's thequestion that every single person in America should
be asking, because you know whohe is asking that, Aaron Russia,
China. They're all asking it.They all want to know who's running things,
because that guy clearly is not.I'm confused, with love and explanation.

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If Biden were to drop out nowand the Democrats pick someone else,
how is that legal because the votersdidn't select that person in the primaries.
Okay, If Joe Biden drops outtoday, if he just says I'm done,
I will not accept the nomination LBJstyle, and he says no,
I'm not going to take it,then what would happen is all of the
delegates that had been committed to JoeBiden. And the delegates are the people
that come from each state to theconvention and they cast their vote for a

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candidate. Well, they're now boundbecause Joe Biden's in the race to cast
that vote for Joe Biden. Butif he drops out and releases his delegates,
the primier become or the convention becomesan open convention and anybody can put
their name in the ring and theywill take a series of votes from all
the delegates to pick a new candidate, and then that candidate would be on

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the ballot. FDR second term,by the way, November seventh, nineteen
forty four, and then he diedApril twelfth, nineteen forty five. Okay,
so a year? About a year? No? Well, like what
November of forty four when he waselected, so he was only sworn into
his and that was his third term, wasn't I thought he could serve three

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term? Yeah, because he waspresident from thirty three to forty five,
right, so November of forty fourand where did that just go? And
then died April forty five, Sothat's only what five months? Yeah?
Fo or five months? Yeah?Okay, good to know we're going to
take a quick time out, youguys. These text messages are cracking me
up. Manday. They need tokeep Joe away from the Clinton mistake eraser

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teams that got Epstein breach. We'regoing to talk about creating ethical framework for
AI and one of my longtime listenersand blog readers, Ralph has already said,
oh, I got a question forThomas, So we're going to get
that and a little bit later inthe show, we have a guest.
His name is David Heights. I'veinterviewed him previously about the conditions at the

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Fusion Studios facility run by the ColoradoCoalition for the Homeless, and it is
a facility designed to give housing forpeople who were formerly homeless. And David
was a longtime journalist and had sometrauma occur that ended up with him being
homeless for about five years. Well, he is trying to work his way

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out of that, and he hascontinued to do good journalism at Newsbreak where
you can read his work and everyclique gets him paid. So that's why
I'm linking. But I'm fond ofDavid and the stuff he's putting up with
is ridiculous and untenable and I knowthis because he just sent me a message.
He's scheduled to come on the showat two and A sent me a

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MESA and said, Hey, Ijust got assaulted by a guy on mes
at Fusion Studios. The paramedics areon their way, but I still want
to talk to you, And hesends me a picture of where the guy
hid him with a pipe on thearm. I mean, if we're going
to help people, if we're gonnahelp them turn their lives around, which

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is I don't care if you're ascreaming progressive or conservative on the right,
we should all say, look,if we're gonna have these programs that are
designed to help people, shouldn't we, by any reasonable metric make sure that
they are going to help people.And that is not what's happening right now.

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So we'll do that coming up attwo. And now I've got a
lot of you weighing in on theJoe Biden situation. Hi, Mandy too,
working theories on what the Democrats arescheming One drag Joe across the finish
line in November, not long afterhe resigns, and boom, we have
President Kamala number two. What y'alltalking about at the convention and insert Hillary

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Gavin or Whitmer. The problem iswhat is Harris chop Livers? What she
is? And she is Lots ofpeople have corrected us. Ay Rod FDR
was elected to four terms, servedthree plus a few months in the forth
old expression was nothing in life ispermanent except Roosevelt. His long tenure was

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why we have term limits for thepresident. After he died, they were
like, you know what, We'renot going to do that again. So
instead of maybe running someone against him. This is what people in politics do
though they cling to their power.This is what's happening right now, Mandy.
In the name of conspiracy theory,Son Hunter is in the mix of
family supports because I believe he livesat the White House, and I've always

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thought he and Jill are an item. Blah. I mean he went after
his dead brother's wife. Why nothis demented father's wife. Joe is in
bed after four so plenty of timeeither of them want to leave, except
I think Jill is his dad oris his mom? Look up and see
if Jill Biden is Hunter's mom.I'm almost positive she is. I could

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be wrong, but I don't thinkso. Oh wait a minute. Now
I'm doing the math in my head. We'll find out children Ashley Biden.
That is all. That's it.Okay, okay, so oo Texter,
ooh why did you put that inmy head? Why? Ooh ooh,

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Mandy, elections are held by thestates, are Replacing a candidate would not
work in every state. There aredifferent laws that might prevent that. That
is true, Michael. But asyou know, a Rod and I were
talking about this off the air,how hard is it to write in Joseph
Biden? And and before you saya write in campaign couldn't work, it
got Lisa Murkowski re elected in Alaskaand people had to spell her last name

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Murkowski correctly. Biden is not thathard. I mean, a writing campaign
in a few states is feasible.It's not a great situation in a tight
election, but it's better than nothing, Mandy. In your honest opinion,
what would it take to get termlimits for the rest of the pos's in
Washington. It's going to take aconstitutional amendment, and that is one of

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the issues that would be on thetable if the Convention of States convention actually
occurred. Balancing the budget and termlimits, those two things then after they
proposed the amendment, it would haveto be ratified by two thirds of the
states. And I got to tellyou, I think that as most states
have term limits, the politicians inthe legislature would love to have the opportunity

(32:37):
in a state legislature to be ableto run for federal offices that they knew
were going to come open at certaintimes, right because right now you look
at Kentucky, for example, MitchMcConnell has been in the US Senate from
Kentucky since they made the damn thingin you know, late seventeen hundreds,

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So that position is not open.And so I think you could get politicians
to vote for it, But that'swhat would have to happen, that is
it? Anyway? Oh, let'snot forget Jill was the babysitter? Is
that true? Was now? Lookup? Was Jill Biden Hunter Biden's babysitter.
We'll be back with that answer,but after we talk to Thomas Friar
futurists stick around. Not the babysitterfor Hunter Biden. Jill and Joe met

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via a blind date. Joe Biden'sbrother Frank introduced himself or introduced Joe to
Jill. So let's put that nastyrumor to bed once and for all,
and you can stop texting it tome, because now we know it is
false. What we don't know iswhether or not artificial intelligence has any real
ethical framework. But luckily our futuristand yours Thomas Fry from the Da Vincian

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Institute and the Futurist Speaker, joinus to talk about that very issue.
How are you doing, Thomas,I'm doing great. I'm doing great.
This is a topic that's very complicatedand we're going to have lots of debates
moving forward on this. I'm surewell mean, we're talking about ethics for

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artificial intelligence, and here's the thing, and correct me if I'm wrong,
Thomas. But it feels like thescience of artificial intelligence, the ability of
us to create artificial intelligence, ismoving at an incredibly rapid clip. And
it feels like are we now playingketchup by saying, oh, we need
an ethical framework that everybody kind ofagrees upon to make sure that we don't

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go too far or use this inan unethical fashion, even though you and
I both know it's going to beused in an unethical fashion. So are
we playing ketchup? Or is thishow technology works? We create something and
then we figure out a regulatory frameworkto control it. Yeah, we are
playing ketchup, and very likely we'llcreate an ethical framework and then we'll have

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to create ethics for the ethical framework. So it just seems like this will
be a never ending battle that we'recontending with the fighting the AI too.
I don't know. We want itto be better than us, and that's

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hard to do. Well, youknow, I think that it's going to
be very interesting. And part ofthe part about AI that freaks me out
and alternately alternately intrigues me is thenotion that there is there there's bound to
be significant differences between artificial intelligence andhuman beings because we also have an emotional
component that is not necessarily going toexist, right, or maybe it is.

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I mean, are we building datameaning data from Deep or Star Trek
the next generation or what is thateven going to look like? And how
is that going to be different thanhuman beings? Because one would argue that
if you only used rational thought andtook emotion out of it, you'd probably
make much better decisions in life.Well, but some of it's for actually

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helping us manage the emotions, Likeif you if you have an AI system
that's designed to cure the loneliness problemfor senior citizens that that are home alone
or that are in some nursing homesomewhere, you've got to You've got to

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deal with the emotions of the peopleand the people working with them. And
so that's uh. You can't leavethe emotions totally out. But how do
you ject? I mean, Ican't even clearly define the mechanism that creates
an emotion. We know there's partsof the brain that are involved in that,
but how do you how do youconvey emotion to AI? Okay,

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we're getting off track here. Let'stalk about the ethical framework. First of
all, who would decide on theethical framework for the world? Who would
decide? Who are the deciders onthis? Well, there's there's a list
of different principles of being bandied aboutright now. In this columnent that I
wrote recently, I put together eightof these principles and discuss them in broad

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terms. But invariably they're going tochange. They're going to change over time
because I think as we get deeperinto the weeds, as we start understanding
how AI makes decisions, and notjust this generation, but how the next
ten generations are going to make decisionsthat will have to realise these ethics rules

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along the way. I think it'sa fascinating topic that we're going to have
to address again and again and again. So you've set it out as a
set of principles that could be theframework of ethical AI, and I think
the first one is always the best, and that is transparency. What are

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you talking about when you talk abouttransparency, are you talking about basically open
source you know, everything, soeverybody can poke into everybody else's business or
or what does that mean transparency?Well, let's use free example social media.
They're using different things for content moderationthat should be very transparent. We

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should be able to see what's howthey're doing that, and that I think
is a fairly straightforward example that wedon't want them to blindside us by,
oh we just pulled this new ruleout of the hat here that we don't
think you should be able to poston our platform anymore, and then cancel

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your account. So I think thatone's fairly straightforward and I think most people
would agree with that. Yeah.Principle number two accountability, This has been
a big one as we've been wranglingwith who is responsible for content that may
be published on their websites and thingsof that nature. What does accountability in
the AI realm mean? Well thatyou mean a lot of different things.

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But let's choose an example of financialservices. If you get approved or denied
for a loan, you should knowwhat the criteria is for how you got
approved or how you got denied,and and it needs to take in all
these social economic factors in different culturesinto play, and so we can we

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need to be fair about all thesethings. So having having it accountable to
UH to make sure that everybody UHis accounted for. Maybe that's a good
way of looking at it. Okay, Now, principal number three fairness,
I think this is an interesting,uh, interesting principle to be in there.

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But I think you're talking about fairnessof opportunity, not necessarily fairness of
outcome. Yeah, fairness could beapplied to quite a few different things.
As an example, if you're admittingstudents into a college, you should have

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some sort of a fair system thatallows people in different cultures to actually compete.
It's the same thing as if you'regetting a house loan, or if
you're buying a car, all thesethings they need to have this sense of

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fairness about them, and you needto know what things are being considered to
gain this sense of fairness. Seeingagain, this is very tricky, especially
because now we're seeing, and I'veseen multiple news stories as of late,
that AI as it exists now hasbeen infested with the left wing viewpoints of

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the people who programmed it. Andif you ask it to say something nice
about a Democratic politician, it willIf you ask it to say something nice
Trump, it will bag off thequestion. And so we're already seeing that
kind of bias baked into the earlystages. How do we this is one
of those tricky little things. Whogets to decide what is right and what

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is wrong? Because that should besimple, But in the last election cycle,
we saw what happened when the wrongpeople decided something was right or something
was wrong and the American people weremisled. So it all comes down to
who is the decider? Who youknow? Who is this? Is it
a group, is it a panel? Who is the decider? What I
think has been really interesting on Twitteris to watch community notes kind of become

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the decider and I like that becausethat's open source. Anybody can participate,
and all they do is aggregate thecommunity notes into one community note and say,
okay, most posters say this,and then you can make a decision
if you want to go with themajority of you or not. Yeah,
well, that's certainly that's one wayof doing it. When you think about

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all the different cultures that are involved. I mean, there's hundreds of countries
around the world, and how doyou make sure there's fairness in every political
system in the world. That's goingto be extremely tricky. And I'm not
sure. I'm not sure we're they'reyet. I don't think we're even close.
And so, yeah, and you'rebringing up the right question who gets

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to decide? Well, right now, it's a bunch of programmers in some
back room that nobody knows who theyare. I think this needs to be
out in the open a bit moreand actually have Yeah, I think it
needs to be a much more transparentprocess all the way around. I agree.

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I think true transparency solves a lotof these problems. Right if we
all have the ability to poke ourhead under the hood and look around,
that's much more comforting to think aboutthat But that brings me to number four
privacy. We willingly give away ourprivacy to any company that we download an
app to or whatever. I mean, Thomas, we have become accustomed to

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not having any privacy online. Howdo we change that with AI? Yeah,
it's kind of kind of tricky becauseit's this bargain that they're making.
If you want to have access tothis this data, you have to give
up your privacy. Right Well,if it's attractive, if if there's enough

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enough things of interest to us,then we give up for our privacy to
get that. But I think Ithink it needs to be more straightforward than
that. As an example, ifwe go into a doctor and we get
some work done, we need privacyabout our medical history, medical conditions.
I don't think that should be openfor public knowledge, and and so how

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do how do we maintain that?How do we make sure that that's under
wraps the whole time? This?This is again, this is very complicated
topics, and so we're not evenclose to getting there yet. Well,
somebody just asked this question. Ithink it's a really good one, and
we've got more principles to go through, but I want to get this question
in Mandy for your guest, isn'ta big part of the question that AI

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is creating itself? AI will beable to engineer more AI without human input,
and would that make any ethical rulesmoot? AI is on the edge
of being able to kind of createits own self and then do our rules

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the matter. But I think allof this programmed in somehow in the base
the core function of the AI systems, So I think it needs too.
I don't think it can exist onits own and that it can write its
own rules. Then we really runinto problems. We need some sort of

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human oversight on all of this.Well, Number five takes us to safety
and security. What does that looklike? Well, if we have autonomous
drones that are flying around doing surveillanceon everything, we're going to make sure

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that they're they're operating in safe,safe areas to navigate in. But then
the amount of data that that they'recollecting how how dangerous is that? I
mean, if if we have hwe're showing some kids alone by themselves up

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in some remote area, does thatmean that we need to deploy people to
get the kids rescued or are thekids safe there? But they just need
to alert somebody that they're there.I mean, there's lots of issues that
come up on every example that yougive for these ethical issues. You want

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to make sure that we're covering allthe basis. And that's that's why I
think having these principles just this isthis is a starting point. This is
not anywhere as close to an endpoint, and I think this is what starts
the discussion that doesn't end them.Well, in Principal number six kind of
goes immediately from what you're just sayingnow, and that is human centered values

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and you talk about in viewing AIwith the ability to have empathy and sympathy
and those things that make us uniquelyhuman. But I want to read a
question from my friend Ralph. Hesaid, one item to Grill fry On
is that we certainly don't have similarethical frameworks at all. He's a Pollyanna
in that regard. We will useAI driven weapons systems. We will use

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AI to be if it ourselves,our families, our tribe, our corporations,
our nations, and the global UNstyle ethical framework be damned, it's
already a free for all. Wemouth be us about ethics, but our
intelligence and d D communities like theChinese, Iranians and North Koreans don't give
a rip about ethical frameworks. Sois this a case of you're trying to

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create a framework that good and decentpeople in society would work within, but
then major players would just kind ofgo, you know, do we really
need to follow that and let thechips fall where they may. That's that's
a really good point because that's that'sexactly what happens during a war. So,

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and we're going to have a lotmore tools for fighting wars in the
future, and so yeah, Ithink all the ethics go south the window
during during times of war conflict.That's probably exactly right. And that would
kind of how can we that wouldbe that would be imbuing it with your
values? Yeah, I mean youcan't because there are going to be people

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that are always going to find away to exploit whatever we're doing. Right,
So should we just give up anethics totally? Then No, I
don't think so, I think anything. We need to come up with some
principles here. Let me ask thisprincipal number seven inclusivity. What does that
mean? So, so we needto include in a healthcare application, we

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should include input from diverse patient groupsto make sure that we have all the
health concerns taken care of. That. It's well known that different ethnic groups
have different health health care issues,and so we need to include everybody,
yeah, in our healthcare topics thatwe're working on. And so we can't

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leave some group out just because they'reshorter than average, or their different skin
color, or just because they havethey have problems with certain diseases that the
rest of us don't. So somehowwe need to include everybody in that number
eight principle honesty and integrity. Yeah, So that's that's a tricky one,

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actually, because I was gonna say, it's always how do you teach how
do you teach a computer? Whatintegrity is? Which is, in my
view, integrity is doing the rightthing even when nobody else is paying attention.
I mean, is that a clearlydefinable trait for AI at this present

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moment? No, I don't.I don't think it is. And again,
I think this is a goal.I don't think we're any worse close
to this yet. But ah,I don't know. I think we need
to disclose what the purpose of theAI is and how to avoid having it

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manipulated and having exploited in different ways. Yeah, so somehow we need to
have faith and confidence in in whatwe're doing. If we put in a
prompt into an AI system, weshould have some measure of comfort that we're

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going to get reasonable results from it, not that it's going to lie to
us and tell us false things andcause us to panic. I mean this,
this is what happens today. Yougo to a doctor and a doctor
misdiagnosis a person, and that patientcan live in total panic for the next

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couple of weeks until they go toa different doctor and get it all resolved.
That happens all the time. Sowe want this to be better than
humans, and how do we dothat? Well, that's again, this
is real tricky. No, it'sit's completely tricky, and I don't know.
The worst part is is that I'mwe have to trust people I guess

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that I don't have a lot ofconfidence in and that as our political leadership
to come up with some reasonable frameworkthat they can then present to the rest
of the world. If not workon the framework with the rest of the
world. Is this something that isbeing worked on to your knowledge? Is
there a body or an organization thatis trying to put this together. To

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the best of my knowledge, theonly thing that's out there are some hodgepotch
organizations inside of companies psych open AIor Google or some of those, and
I don't think that that constitutes areasonable approach. I think it needs to
be cross country lines. I thinkit needs to be across company lines,

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and I think we need to getinput from the general public as well.
And so this again would indicate thatwe have a long ways to go in
actually getting to something that constitutes reasonableethics for AI. Thomas Fry is our
guest. He is our resident futurist, and if you need him to speak

(52:36):
to an organization about any topic oryou just want to talk about the future,
you can find him at futurist speakerdot com and you can find the
written out version of what we justtalked about linked on today's blog as well.
Thomas, good to see my friend. Happy Fourth of July to you.
Thank you all right, Thomas,you have a great Fourth July as
well, you too. That's ThomasFry. Everybody. When we get back

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textor said Mandy, I hate tobe pessimistic, but these principles sound great.
But I think we're past that point. I believe. I believe so
too, But I also know andyou can see this pattern repeat itself over
and over, and I mean fromthe Industrial Revolution, right, you can
see the pattern of technology sort ofleapfrogging forward, and then our system of

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ethics and laws and all of thosethings that are acceptable kind of brings up
the rear in response more often thannot, to something where the system has
either failed or has abused workers orwhatever. I mean, history is littered
with examples of how industrialization happened,and we have children working in very dangerous

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jobs and factories until the laws caughtup and somebody said, you know,
it's not okay for a seven yearold to work fourteen hours a day.
That's not okay. Can you imagine? And I say that, and that
is actually a statistic that I readsomewhere years ago that I've always had in
my head that at the beginning ofthe Industrial Revolution, there were not enough

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people in the cities to work thejobs that had to be worked. And
if you were if there was ajob where you had a big piece of
machinery that had a particularly tight areathat had to be managed, they would
hire a child. So you'd havea seven or eight year old child inside
one of these machines at the beginningof the Industrial Revolution, and they would
be there for fourteen hours a day. And it's like, dude, can

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you imagine I say this to mydaughter all the time because she's fifteen out
and I'm like, you know whenwhen kids were your age a couple hundred
years ago, they were already married, on their way to having then,
you know, their first kid,and she was like hard pass no,
which I'm fine with. We'll beright back the White House press conference right

(54:57):
now with Karagejean Pierre and see ifI can you even grab some of that
audio respect other people's opinions and thoughtsas about people demanding he drop out.
You know this party different right thanthe other side. Certainly we see that.
What's how it's playing out in Congressor how it tends to play out
in Congress. So the congressman isgoing to have his opinion. This is

(55:19):
going to congressman who wrote a prettycompelling letter asking Biden to step out,
or is it tweets about his personpolitics? I can't remember. This president
is all about He doesn't care onlyabout himself. That is not what this
president is all about U. AndI also read read out some supportive statements
that we've heard from leaders of ofof Congress UH to the former Speaker Pelosi.

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I read out which she's she laidout. I read out what she's
just this Congress MC claiburne has said. And I think that matters as well.
And you all have heard from multiplesupporters over the past couple of days,
since since Thursday, and bring thisdown, listen to it and see
if she says anything good that weshould hear, if anybody asked a question,

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we should hear, because she's beinggrilled by the White House Press Corps
about all these calls for Biden tostep down and she is just stumbling and
bumbling her way through this. NickFerguson actually sent me a text and was
like, Oh my gosh, I'mwatching this and it's just a train wreck.
What are they asking? What arethey asking? His advisors, his

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high level White House officials were talkingto congressional members, as some of you
have reported over the past couple ofdays. I think that's important. They
have regularly engaged, not just withcongressional members, with governors with mayors and
so she's not naming names. Ona political level, you know, had
a regular calls. I think someof you have reported on that as well.

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Now this week, the President isgoing to take some time and talk
to those congressional members. And asas I stay to see this question credit,
you'll see what the next question is. You have mentioned that sometimes that
candidates have a bad first debate.They haven't did a lot of discussion going
around, and of course you knowthe decision yet, but maybe there isn't

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a second debate, so I'm goingto be super careful. That's something for
the campaign to respond to. ButI do believe they did respond to this,
and as not I do believe theyhave responded to this, and they
said that there's going to be anotherdebate. But I that's something for them
to speak to. And I willjust quote what the President Obama's stress right,
bad debate nights happened, trust me, I know. And then he

(57:29):
praised President Biden's leadership and his agendafighting for the middle class or freedoms and
the rule of law. And youheard the President speak to the rule of
law just last night, and socertainly that will continue. But you've heard
from a former president about this,this particular issue. Had Michael one more
question, let me hear this lastquestion fifty During that time, I kind
of knew you would say that.But I knew you would say that.

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But he's not the only one.He's not. It has happened in the
past, first of the bring itdown. So there's just putting her through
the ringer. And by the way, she won't comment on a campaign question,
but all she's doing has answering questionsabout the debate, which is directly
related to the campaign. She she'strying to sell the bill of goods.

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It was just a bad night.He had a cold, and though he
respects everyone who's calling him to dropout, he's not going to. Okay,
it's your funeral. So before thebreak, we were talking about ethics,
right, and someone sent me astory or excuse me, what am
I saying? A text message thatsaid, uh, let me say if

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I can find itp bup buh buhMandy, how can we program ethics into
AI when we are getting farther andfarther from human ethics? And I have
a story on the blog today thatit annoyed the crap out of me because
of the headline. The headline gaveyou an excuse even before they told you
the story. The headline is genZers are so disillusioned with the economy that

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they think is okay to commit fraud. And they talk about an index report
to better understand the latest online fraudtrends, and this company's sift produces this
report and they talk about how businessesand consumers are affected, including fraud tactics
and how much fraud impacts consumer behavior. For the past two quarters, they

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have seen a giant generational divide emerge. Gen Z expresses more willingness than any
other generation to commit digital fraud nowmost of the time. As in forty
two percent of gen Z ers admitteda willingness to engage in first party fraud,
where they dispute a purchase with theirpayment provider despite the purchase being legitimate.

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There was a significantly higher than anyother generation. The next highest was
millennials and only twenty two percent ofthem admitted to engaging in first party fraud.
They also discovered that thirty three percentof gen Z response condens either know
someone who has participated in payment fraudor have done so. Themselves. Now,

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they go on to tell you genZ has a number of unfortunate economic
factors to feel anxious about. Asurvey from into It found that seventy three
percent of zoomers feel that the currentenvironment has made it more challenging to save
money. They're struggling with increased housingcosts, student loan debt, and rising

(01:00:27):
prices on everyday purchases like groceries,all while wages have stagnated for workers across
many income levels. I am,I am. I know I'm going to
sound like an old crotchety person,but I am so sick of the narrative
that gen Z somehow has it worsethan everyone who came before them. Because
I just saw a really cool graphicthat showed the cost of living. The

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things were in the cost of livingindex, and with the exception of housing,
most things are flat or down inthe last fifty years in terms of
overall impact on your budget. Sure, things are not perfect, things are
not great. This isn't about theeconomy. This is about a generation that
was raised to get whatever they wantedwhenever they wanted it. They have a

(01:01:15):
certain amount of accountability or excuse me, entitlement and they don't share a sense
of accountability. And of course Iam not talking about every member of gen
Z. There are incredible young peoplewho are going to be absolutely, incredibly
important game changers for society who donot fall into this category. But if

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you're more likely to steal, thenthat tells me something about your value system,
tells me something about your morals.And is it any coincidence that this
has all come about at the sametime that we've seen a sharp drop in
religion, Because when I was akid, if you stole, I don't
need to tell you about how Godfelt about that. He literally made it

(01:01:57):
a commandment, So it is.It's really irritating to me that excuses are
being made for bad behavior, andI'm sick of it. It's kind of
like the other day when someone wastalking about or I was talking about Trump's
unnecessary exaggerations during the debate, thatall everyone on the left like, oh
my gosh, you lied, andpeople were like, look, those are

(01:02:20):
just dumb exaggerations. There's still lies, and when we try to couch them
as anything other than a lie.Now, is it a major lie,
No? Is it a minor lie? Yes, But it's still a lie.
But it's that giving a pass forbad behavior that is part of the
ethical downfall of our society and thisyounger generation. I can't wait till somebody

(01:02:40):
steals from them. I mean,don't get me wrong, I don't hope
someone steals from them, but ifsomeone does, they'll be like, well,
there you go. How does itfeel to have someone take away something
you worked really hard for and theydidn't except trying to figure out how to
rip you off, So you know, they made a lot of excuses.

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They're digitally native, they don't feelany alliance to corporations. I don't feel
any alliance to corporations either, ButI also don't want to be an a
hole. And I believe that youget in this world what you give in
this world. And I'm not goingto be a thief because that's what you
are when you steal. Whether youand I used to get into so much

(01:03:22):
conflict over this, but when everybodywas stealing music on the Internet, when
napster was a thing, and Iwould say to someone, you're stealing someone
else's intellectually property, and people getsuper defensive because nobody wants to be called
a thief. But you know what, you're a thief. If you act
like a thief, and you talkand walk like a thief, you are
a thief, whether you want toadmit it or not. We started the

(01:03:43):
show talking about this, and onthe break I was mulling something over and
something occurred to me, because we'veseen more of Joe Biden in front of
the people, press conferences, andyou know, we went to waffle house
after the debate when allegedly out ofcold spreading his germs everywhere. But what
if, what if the new strategyis to just get us comfortable with him

(01:04:10):
being old. We all know he'sold, but being old doesn't necessarily have
to be a death knell. Butwhen the Democrats are trying to convince you
to vote for Donald Trump, excuseme, I have that backwards. When
the Republicans are trying to get youto vote for Donald Trump, because Joe
Biden appears adduled, maybe the Democratshave just said, you know what,
we're gonna lean in. We're gonnalean in because even aduled, we have

(01:04:33):
to convince people that he's better thanDonald Trump. I do think that might
be a misguided strategy if the onlystrategy available. Mandy, first of all
the situation This from a text onour koa Common Spirit health text line.
Mandy. First of all, thissituation with both candidates and many senators and
Congressman two screams upper age limits.Secondly, this whole Biden issue just makes

(01:04:59):
me matter and matter Carrie Jean Pierreequals treason. No, she's just doing
her job as the mouthpiece for theWhite House. That is what the White
House spokesperson does. They're not hiredto be the truth teller. They're hired
to be the mouthpiece for the WhiteHouse, and that's what she does.
But I'll continue his staff says he'sbest between ten and four. Really,

(01:05:20):
what president of any company, letalone the USA only works ten to four.
I'm pretty sure Ron China and therest made a note to not attack
the US outside those hours. WTFdoes anyone think Trump got to where he
is by only working ten to four? Mandy. I think the harder they

(01:05:42):
publicly push for Biden to drop out, the more likely he is to put
his backup to the wall and stayin the race. Only way he's going
to leave office is through the twentyfifth Amendment. Mandy. I'm not trying
to make any excuses for Trump,but please remember there are two requirements for
defining something as a lie. Checkyour dictionary. Number one, the person

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making the statement must know or believewhat they are saying is untrue, and
number two, the person must bemaking the statement with the intent to deceive.
Without both of these, the statementis not a lie, even if
it is actually incorrect. I wasn'tin Trump's head during the debate, but
I suspect much of what he saidhe believed to be true and did not

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have an intent to deceive. Seethat is the George Costanza defense. It's
not a lie if you believe it, and that is absurd. I mean,
guys, even I knew it wasn'tthe big biggest tax cut in history.
You don't think Donald Trump didn't knowit was the fourth biggest tax cut
in history. I like your moxyTexter, but I am not buying what

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I'm not picking up what you're layingdown. No way, Mandy. Has
anyone told the Democrats that denial isnot just a river in Egypt? Y'all?
This is exactly what the Republicans wouldbe doing if the shoe was on
the other foot. These are politicalanimals, desperate to keep their power,
and they've got to keep their guyin charge if they're going to keep their
power. That's just the way itis. This is just the nature of

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politics. Speaking of which, howabout this text message Mandy that Joe Biden
is in love with being First Lady. She will continue committing elder abuse to
keep her perks. If she lovedJoe, she'd take him home to the
beach and let his disease continue.It's horrible progression. She doesn't love Joe
or America. I just hope China, Russia and Iran won't take us down
when we don't even know who's makingcritical decisions. And that is if I'm

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Donald Trump, and of course nobodyis going to tell Donald Trump what to
say or do. I would absolutelyhammer that point home. Just say to
people, after what you saw atthe debate, do you really think this
guy's in charge? Who's really incharge? Why don't we get to vote
for those people, Why can't wehold them accountable for any of these things?

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But do you really think this guy'sin charge? And I would just
hammer away at that relentlessly because weall saw what we saw, and no
matter what they try and tell uswe didn't see. We actually did see
it. We all saw it together, ninety minutes of the cheap fake.
By the way, I did aGoogle search today for cheap fake. That

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phrase, as I thought yesterday,has been completely eliminated from the lexicon of
every left wing person who was usingit endlessly ten days ago. Talk about
the rise and fall, that phrasecame. It was here for like a
hot minute, and then everybody waslike, oh crap, we just saw
ninety minutes of what we're calling acheap fake, and everyone knows it's anything.

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But when we get back, theintersection of sex, work and homelessness
is significant, and my guest,David Heights is going to join me to
talk about an article he wrote aboutthat. Plus we're gonna get an update
on the latest from his apartment inFusion Studios, run by the Colorado Coalition
for the Homeless. That's coming upnext. The Mandy Connell Show is sponsored

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by Bell and Pollock Accident and injurylawyers. Well, no, it's Mandy
Connell and Don koa, NMA,god Way, Sad and the Nicety three

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and Connell Keeping Sad Thing. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the third hour
of the show no two minute Drilltoday, but we have a returning guest.
You may remember David John Heights.He is a journalist who, after
having some trauma in his life,ended up homeless. He is now working
his way out of that by writinga lot of stories for news Break.

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It is a news aggregator website thatyou can see. And today he's got
a great column on homeless in Denver, sex work and trafficking disrupt lives that
we're going to talk about in justa second. But David also lives in
the Fusion Studios run by the ColoradoCoalition for the Homeless. It is,
uh, is this what kind ofhousing? Is this considered dating? Permanent

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supportive house? I'm in what theycall permanent supportive housing. Fusion actually has
different rooms for different people. Someof the building is bridge housing, which
means it's temporary housing for people goingfrom encampments to say a lease. But
then some of it is permanent supportivehousing, which is for people that they
had at one time determined you know, we're going to need supportive services for

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the long term. And I'm inone of those rooms actually. Okay,
so it's supposed to be a safeplace and what happened to today, Well,
honestly, what happened today just kindof confirmed my worst fears. You
know. I I stepped out ofmy room to go downstairs to check my
mail, and there was a guyin the hallway with a lead pipe breaking

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all the lights that are outside,you know, all the rooms. And
boy, he saw me and hecame after me, and I pleaded,
I said, please don't. I'mlike, I've never done anything to you.
And he took a swing at mewith that lead pipe and I put
my arm up and he got myarm. Good, Yeah he did.
Now it's starting to look a lotworse now. What happens, what happens

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when an incidents? See what happenedwith him, And I'm really I'm I'm
really impressed to have a coalition handlethis. My case manager was with me
from the minute I went downstairs towhen the cops left, standing by my
side the whole time through talking tothe cops and everything. But what they're
gonna do is they're gonna he'll beevicted supposedly within three days. And the

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police took him tonight and they havebegged me to press charges. What I
just found out was that the copswere here last night for him. Oh
he wasn't arrested, but I didhear him carry an arm last night.
That did wake me up. Butyou get hired of this, you know.
I don't know, Mandy, whatthe answer is. Are these people

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that are such in the throes ofpsychosis that they randomly walk around with the
blood pipe right? Well, andlet me ask you this though, did
are you going to press charges?Because I think I think I've got to
press charges because when I look atmy own situation, even though the police
beat me up and it was aterrible thing when I had my rent in

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with police, had that not occurred, I never probably would have gotten the
help that I needed. I wasin a state of psychosis that talking to
me now, you can't imagine howbad it was, but it was bad.
So you were charges and the hopeshe's going to get helped. What
that you're going to press charges andthe hopes he's forced to get help?

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Yeah, exactly. The last timewe had you on, there was no
internet at Fusion Studio. You saythey rectified that problem. It's been great
all week. Okay, we're notWe're just gonna go with that. We're
just gonna send that out to God. And it's been great all week,
exactly, David. I know Ihaven't looked at my text line, but
I know I've probably have a textsaying why. And I don't want you
to try too much, but isthere a chance that you could move into

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a more independent situation. Do youfeel like you could do that at some
point? Well, yes, Imean there is and we're working on that.
Right at this point, I'm readyto do that. I actually had
got what they called the Golden Ticket, which would have been a housing voucher
for anywhere in the US. Icould have gone and like a section a

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voucher and I would only pay thirtypercent of my income. And at the
time I didn't want to leave fromhere because things were going well. I
walked to the dispensaries, I walkedto Walmart, you know, you know,
everything's convenient. I enjoy the parkdown the street, and I just
didn't want to move. But atthis point, I mean, my worst
fears were confirmed that someone's just goingto go ballistic crazy and have a gun

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maybe next time. Well, Imean, this guy with a lead pipe
could kill somebody very easily. Hecould have killed you, you know,
Oh yeah, but you've been acoalition with the coalition, was was right
there to help the entire time.That's really good to hear, very much.
So okay, and you know,I do like having the staff here.
Sometimes I feel a little bit baby, which feels kind of good sometimes.

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I mean having people check on youto see how you're doing and how
your mood is, and I meanit's kind of nice to be thought about.
Okay, David, let's talk aboutyour column on homelessness and sex work,
because it's very good. It's veryinteresting. Is this happening. You've
lived on the streets for what fiveyears? No? No, I was
only on the streets here about ayear. Oh okay, but in that

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year, you because I was injail in Pueblo. Okay, okay,
David, we got to have youon to talk about your whole backstory.
When you're ready to talk about thebackstory. I'm very interested in the backstory.
Like I love where you are nowbecause you're trying to write the ship,
you're trying to do the right things, you're trying to get back on
your feet. But we got toget that backstory in here at some point.

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So you're homeless for a year andoh you were homeless, did you
see instances of sex trafficking? Yes, yes, absolutely, And I was
you know, I was asked,did I want to be pimped out?
I was asked, you know,proposition by other sex workers to you know,
to have sex with them. AndI mean it was very But what

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you would find is is that theseolder men would just kind of come along
and off for you, you know, a phone or drugs or whatever it
might have been, and lure peoplepeople in that way. And that's how
people got lured into it. AndI think people need to know that homeless
people are actually preyed upon and becausethey're they're so desperate, you know what

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I mean, Oh yeah, becausethey're right for victimization. A lot of
times no one's looking for them,you know. Personally makes me very upset.
And and you know, I alsosaw this back in the Quad Cities
where I grew up. And youknow, I'm gay and I was out
in Quad Cities and very out andwhatnot. But in the gay community in

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the Quad Cities there was a Ohthere were young men that would live at
the homeless shelter down the streets fromthe gay bar. But then you would
see them with the older men andall this, and I will go into
all that, but I knew enoughto know that it was not right.
David, you have lived in aworld that I cannot even imagine, so
many levels. Yet I've lived ina penthouse, I supervised newsrooms and everything

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else, so I've been on bothends of the spectrum. Well, go
read David's article. It's very verygood, and it's very illuminating about a
topic that I don't think we talkenough about. But David, take care
of yourself. Keep you posted andkeep writing great articles for Newsbreak. Well.
Thanks so much, Mandy, Iappreciate it. All right, thank
you. That's David John Heights andwe'll be right back. I have to

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give a lot of credit to astory that I did briefly yesterday. Not
credit to the story, credit tothe Colorado Democratic Party because they made the
wise choice and voted against a resolutionMonday calling for a ceasefire in Gaza.
It lost forty to fifty five percent. Some members did abstain. That's why

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the number doesn't add up. Thisall happened at the party's Central Committee meeting
to discuss the resolution via a zoomcall. And if you want to understand
why Democrats win in Colorado, it'sbecause they don't waste time with dumbass stuff
that isn't going to pay off.And I think most in the committee seemed
to recognize that there was only downsideto be had here because the pro Hamas

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wing of the Democratic Party, theanti Semitic part of the Democratic Party,
does not need to be kowtowed to, and they know it. And right
now it is a smaller part ofthe Democratic Party here in Colorado than the
pro Israel crowd. And they justdecided not to pass the resolution. And
I think that's a very smart thing. I said yesterday, it would be

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just the dumbest thing ever if theydid. And they didn't. And this
is why they win. Unlike theRepublican Party, who spends a tremendous amount
of time, energy and money tryingto overthrow open primaries. They spend a
tremendous amount of money attacking Republicans theydon't like. It's just it's the difference

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is striking. One is run likea clown show, the other is run
like a political machine. And thatis why they keep winning in Colorado now
I have a story on the blogtoday that I want to get to and
it's from an article on CNN.Color me surprised by the location of this.

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The world is sitting on a ninetyone trillion dollar problem. Hard choices
are coming this from the London Bureau. Governments own an unprecedented ninety one trillion
dollars, an amount almost equal tothe size of the global economy and one
that will ultimately exact a heavy tollon their populations. Debt burdens have grown

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so large, in part because ofthe cost of the pandemic, that they
now pose a growing threat to livingstandards, even in rich economies, including
the United States. The International MonetaryFund. By the way, I'm skipping
through this article, not reading allof it to you. The International Monetary
Fund last week reiterated its warning thatchronic fiscal deficits in the US must be

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urgently addressed. Investors have long sharedthe disquiet about the long term trajectory of
the US government's finances. Roger Hallam, head of Global rates at Vanguard,
one of the largest asset managers inthe world, said continuing deficits and a
rising debt burden have now made thatmore of a medium turn concern. What

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are we looking at when we talkabout American debt, Because when you're talking
about ninety one trillion in debt worldwide, we the United States of America,
have over a third of that withno signs of slowing down, none at
all. Listen to this. Inthe United States, the federal government will

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spend eight hundred and ninety two billionin the current fiscal year on interest payments,
more than it is earmarked for defense, and approaching the budget for Medicare,
which is of course health insurance forolder people in those with disabilities.
Next year, interest payments will topone trillion dollars on national debt of more

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than thirty trillion itself, a sumroughly equal to the size of the US
economy. The CBO sees US debtreaching one hundred and twenty two percent of
GDP a mere ten years from now, and in twenty fifty four, debt
is forecast to hit one hundred andsixty six percent of GDP, which will

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absolutely crush economic growth and thus beginsthe end of the United States of America.
Because our enemies around the world,they're going to be able to do
whatever they want and We don't havethe money to fight back anymore. We
don't have the money to pay socialSecurity. We don't have the money to
pay Medicare, we don't have themoney to pay food stamps. We don't
have the money to pay any ofthese social programs, which inevitably leads to

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societal collapse in some way, shapeor form. We just watched this dance
play out in Venezuela. We justdid this in real time. Venezuela was
once one of the richest countries inthe world until Yugo Chavez took over with
his dreams of a socialist utopia anddestroyed that economy in like ten years.

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It didn't take a long time.And that's where we're headed. By the
way, neither politicians seems to showany real will to do anything about it.
British politicians have also buried their headsin the sand ahead of a general
election Thursday. The Institute for FiscalStudies and uncial think tank has to cried
a conspiracy of silence between the country'stwo main political parties over the poor state

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of public finances, and in theUK that means the National Health Service is
going to get crushed as well.All that's super fun. So just keep
that in mind. Keep that inmind. I do know this. The
chances of Joe Biden becoming a fiscalhawk are zero. The chances of Trump

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becoming a fiscal hawk are thirty percent. I'll take thirty over zero any day.
Just sharing the scary story about debt. By the way, I saw
this on Twitter earlier and now Idon't know where it was, but I'll
see if I can find it again. According to people who are working in
the White House, Hunter Biden hasbeen joining his dad in meetings at the

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White House. And my feeling isthis, the President can have whomever he
wants in a meeting in the WhiteHouse, but shouldn't they have some kind
of security clearance. And there isno way that Hunter Biden can get a
security clearance like that. No way. So uh yeah, we shall see.

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We shall see on the blog thatI have some great news, a
rod great news. I don't knowif you saw this. The birth of
popcorn, the most perfect snack,popcorn, delicious earth. Yeah. Do
you know how long popcorn has beenaround? Oh? We don't actually know,
but the first evidence of ancient Mayancorn being popped is from sixty seven

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hundred years ago in Peru. Isn'tthat amazing? Well? I just saw
a video about how to do iton the Blackstone? What popcorn? Yet?
You put the kernels in a littlecircle. Hood, doesn't it burn
on the bottom? Now I've obviouslyyou you know season your girl. Well,
we'll find out because you were,yes, you are going to try

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this and then I'll bring in mypopcorn, you bring in her popcorn,
and we'll go popcorn and popcorn andsee you makes better popcorn. I also
want to talk about have you everheard this? And this feels like it
should be some kind of sexual term, but it's not in this case.
Have you ever heard the term rawdogging? Have you heard this? Ah?
Yeah? Do you know what itmeans? Not in the sexual way,

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all the ways apparently I have heardof Yes, Well, in this
way. Raw dogging has become thebuzziest travel trend of this summer, seeing
stealth playing passengers foro go the moderncomforts a flying to stare at either the
in flight map or nothing at allduring lengthy trips. No music, no
streaming, no snacking, no sleeping. Michelle a stun New Yorker based beauty

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influencer in a TikTok clip said,I have never seen so many people raw
dogging a flight in my life,literally just outing straight ahead the entire time.
This is yeah, so this isthis is Apparently there's an interest Elbow
show, which I didn't know hehad a show because I would Oh,

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it's on Apple TV. Dang it, all the shows I want to watch
right now on Apple TV. AndI'm not paying for another subscription fee.
It is not happening. No,I'm not. No, I'm not.
If I didn't do it for Tedlast, so I'm not doing it for
this, even though I'd like tosee this episode where Idris Ilba plays the
heart throb to a hero. He'sforced to endure the more than seven hour
flight between Dubai to London without anyamenities because his airbus becomes commandeered by crooks.

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So a UK DJ just bragged tohis thirteen point two million TikTok viewers
just raw dog just seven hour flight, new personal best, no headphones,
no movie, no water, nonothing. Incredible. The power of my
mind knows no bounds. Hey,kids, let me just share this with

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you from an old ster that whatyou're doing is called thinking. I realized
that this is completely foreign, becausewe have an entire generation of people that
have been brought up with distractions shovedin their faces or in their ear holes.
Man, how long was this flight? Seven hours? You could do

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that with nothing, Hey, Rob, you would be shocked at how much
time. Let me just give youan example. We're getting ready to fly
up and see my kids from fourthof July. We're gonna fly to Ohio,
and Chuck very diligently takes my iPadout of my bag that I travel
with, and he makes sure it'scharged, and he's like, hey,
download stuff. And I never dobecause I never watch it. I never
I will read a book, butI can sit and here, never stare

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out the window or steer at themap. I had this on we were
coming back from from England. Ialways put the map on to see exactly
where it is, and did mylocation to my friends in the entire light.
This person did nothing. You won'tget the map, it isn't a
window. You don't get anything.You don't ever spend time perfectly quiet thinking

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do you do that? How longwas his flight? You can't think for
three five seven hours, seven straighthours of nothing at all. Yes,
No, you can't either. Oh, I absolutely can't know you can.
You don't know me as well asyou think you can trust Right now and
ask him if I can do nothing, Sit and stare straight ahead for seven
hours. I'll tell you I can. This is the most animated and extroverted

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that I am in my entire life, right here for three hours on the
radio, seven straight hours of it'scalled me nothing. I mean, I'm
all over all kinds of stuff inthat time. The problem that we this
is this is gonna be like anold person ramp, but you're gonna have
to deal with it. One ofthe problems with our society right now is
that we don't spend enough time thinkingabout things. I don't disagree, but

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seven straight hours of nothing, I'mwith. You know when Aaron Rodgers did
his Dark Sair, what was thatthe Dark Fair or the Quiet Therapy whatever
it was? Yes, Now wouldI want to do seven days of it?
No? But could I Yeah?Like, I think I'm one of
those people that can actually survive andthrive in solitary confinement because I'm so entertained

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by my own brain. You shouldsee what goes on up here. It's
insane. See it three hours,it's crazy, and I think about all
kinds of stuff. I mean,oh, you could even believe some of
the dumb, idiotic stuff that goesin my head that I will think.
Okay, a perfect example yesterday mydaughter says, what are all nail salons
run by Asians? I don't knowthe answer to that question, so we

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looked it up. Do you wantto know why. Back in the nineteen
seventies, actress Tippy Hedron was helpinga group of Vietnamese refugee women who had
come after the Vietnam War and hadcome to settle in the United States,
and she was trying to help themget their feet under him. And they
thought her nails were absolutely beautiful,and they loved them and the effort that
she put into the upkeep, andshe thought that that might be a really

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good way for these Vietnamese women tomake a living. So she brought her
manicurists to her house to teach themall how to do nails, and Asian
immigrants that they were off to theraces and now they own the industry.
They just own it flat out.See right there, in that seven straight
hours, you would want to knowthat I answered that question, wouldn't be
able to look it up. That'sthe thing, though. If I was

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thinking about that question, I wouldhave extrapolated all kinds of possibilities about how
they came over and took over thenail business, And then I would have
gone and checked my work. OrI would have sat there and made up
stories in my head about all theother people on the plane. Or I
would have thought about the people thatin my life that I should probably contact,
but I know I won't because Ireally would like to know what happened

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to them, but I don't wantto have a conversation with them. I
would also think about whether or notI would get a pet again after Jings
died, and how nice it wouldbe to travel because then I wouldn't have
to board her, And where wouldI go with all that extra time?
And what am I going to dowhen I retire? What kind of hobbies
do I want to have and whydo I want to have them? Are
you beginning to see how I canentertain myself for seven hours? I mean,
it's only been ten minutes, sevenstraight out one and you just kind

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of prove it. It's it ishilarious to me. Absolutely hilarious to me
that this younger generation thinks that theyare reinventing the wheel by doing the things
that we did. Do you knowa ron when I was a child,
I've done it. No, no, no, no, no no no,
I know you're going. I've doneit. I've laid my room,
stay at the ceiling, done itfor hours. I've been there. I
am not that young, but forseven straight hours car rides. When I

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was a kid, we made athirteen hour car ride. We had no
DVD player, we had no phones, we had no computer, we had
no internet, we had nothing.Because I can't read in a car because
I get carsick. You're missing thepoints. So you just all those things
you're talking about, how you distractedyourself, you're not allowed to you all
that stuff is your equivalent about thisperson. There's is their phone, theres
is this. You couldn't read,you couldn't play games on the road.

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The key is doing nothing, nothingat all. Oh, and thinking,
It's called thinking. Thinking. Youcan think about all kinds of things.
You can consider your positions on differentissues, why you feel the way you
feel. You consider the opinions ofother people that you know, disagree with
you, I can entertain. Asa matter of fact, I read this

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in an essay that was published ina book that Dave Lower gave me from
like nineteen fifty one, and Idon't remember who wrote the essay, but
this part stuck with me. Andit was she was talking to a man
who was very much an academic.He was a very studious fellow, and
she asked him what he wanted onhis gravestone, and he said, I
would just tell people. I wasvery entertained by my own mind. And
I was like, there you go. I am wildly entertained by my inner

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dialogue. I am as well,but not for that long. Now,
great challenge yourself, I do well, this is not for seven hours and
all. But here's the other thingthat I saw the other day that was
so that just made me laugh.I laughed out loud because some young person
thinks that they made this up.Have you heard? Have you guys heard

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of silent walking? Yeah? TikTokcreator Ady Mayo posted about advice she received
from her nutritionists to walk for thirtyminutes of day. The suggestion was followed
by another from her boyfriend, whochallenged her not to listen to a podcast,
music, or anything else. Whileshe did so, she thinks she
invented silent walking, when in reality, for centuries people have just been called

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it walking. And I go walkingevery day without anything, no headphones,
no earba, I walk, Iwalk chinks. I think about stuff.
I'm mull stuff over. You wouldn'tbelieve how much stuff for the show I
think about while I'm walking my dogquietly. I don't think it's about reinventing
the wheel. I think it's justa matter of when people say walking.

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Now you go on a walk,most people assume you are accompanied by something.
So you're only calling it silent walkingto indicate I'm making a point to
do it without any distractions. I'mjust enjoying nature and enjoying the world.
I'm not saying you're not wrong,but I think they're coming at it from
a way that they have to addthe word silent. Otherwise people assume you
are having newsic, you are havingsome kind of very generational No, it

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is, but I think it's justtoo clarifying, like to point out,
hey, we're doing this without distraction. It's good for your brain, it's
good for your you know yourself.Uh, Women says this Texter would think
of all the things that you justsaid. Men would sit there quietly for
seven hours and think about what kindof beer they're going to have when they
land. Let's got be beer.Well, I'm just saying something better,

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whatever, whatever your your poison is, Mandy. Did you see in the
news this morning that a man endedup in an overhead bin on a flight
from Los Angeles to Spain doe toturbulence. Several people were injured. Doesn't
surprise me. That's why you alwaysleave your seatbelt on when you are in
the plane and the seatbelt sign ison. I leave the seatbelt sign on
all the time. I mean theseatbelt on all the time unless I am

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actively getting up and going to therestroom. It is a it is on
me. I've seen bad things happen. I saw a guy hit the ceiling
of the plane and come down sidewayson the arm rest and I'm pretty sure
he broke multiple ribs. No thanks, I never found out what happened to
him, But you know this person, I would lose my damn mind seven
hours with nothing. I wonder ifthis is a gender thing as well,

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So if the women that are listeningwould text me five six six, id
oh and just say woman, andthen could you do it? Because I
could totally do this. And thenif you're a man and you're like this
guy, are like I'd be boredtogether. Or maybe that was a woman.
I don't know. I wonder ifthere's a gender gap here. I
could I'd rather not. How youdo it? I could do it.
I don't want to, Mandy.I told my kids I could survive solitary

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and never be bored. In fact, I never get bored. My mind
hops from book to book. I'vealready read, from spiders in the corner
of the room to light waves fromthe light bulb, exactly my point.
If I had nothing on a planeor more fun in a car. I
don't know if other people have donethis. I've heard enough people say that
they do it. I create alittle imaginary like creature, a little flea

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size thing, and as I'm driving, imagine it jumping up on all the
different cars and on the buildings,and oh no, I'm losing it,
and it catches up all that's that'smy old favorite hob. There you go.
But that doesn't really count though,because that's a hob. You're doing
something. I understand it's without technology, but the key here is that can
you do not at all? Well, somebody just pointed out, Mandy,
you just describe what guard duty islike in the military. Mandy, My

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brother and I try to dead reckona solution to any and many problems that
we discuss around a campfire. Bynot getting the Google five second answer helps
when you camp outside cell coverage,which is getting less and less in Colorado,
Mandy, my wife and I hiketwenty one miles without headphones for years.
We talk only when needed. Imean, if you're on the trail

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for twenty one miles, you're innature. You're stimulated by the prize.
How many people now are in natureand they got their freaking cut in the
world playing music Like I want tohear your dumb ass ed m craft that
you're playing. You want to sharemy music with the no, No one
wants to hear you. You knowwhat, I always think this person is

(01:36:01):
an aspiring DJ, and they thinkI'm gonna be like, oh my god,
dude, what are those jams?Who is that? It's always electronic
dance? Musing man here one hundredpercent drives my wife nuts. Man here.
Do it on the plane, buton much shorter flights. One and
a half hours to Phoenix, spendtwenty one days, and I see you.
That will get you thinking about manythings. I bet fifty three year

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old woman, Yes, I coulddo it for seven hours. Why yogi?
I could do the sitting thing fine, But screaming kids and no water
are a hard pass for me.You're allowed to have water. It's not
like you can't have a snack.I mean whatever. You can participate in
that. Female, I could absolutelydo this and have give me quiet time,
no distractions, woman, Oh heck, yes, bring on the quiet.

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My quiet time is when I solveall the world's problems. Millennial female,
no problems sitting in silence for sevenhours on a flight with no form
of entertainment. I do it often. So yeah, the women are weighing
in. I absolutely survived, couldsurvive solitary. One of my new relaxation
things is sensory deprivation tanks. That'sI wanted to try that because but I

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think I probably would just fall asleep. Probs. Maybe Ryan Edwards, could
you sit on a plane for sevenhours with no entertainment, just either staring
at the map, ahead of youas the plane flies. That's what I
like to do with no enter Couldyou would you feel like that you could
do that? No? I don'tthink that's all my gosh y, I
probably fall asleep if I. IfI was in that situation, I'd probably

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just close my eyes and nap,which I don't actually nap on planes very
much anymore. And I don't knowwhy I used to nap all the time
on planes, but for whatever reason, I just can't turn my brain off
or there's too many noises and toomany sensory things going on. So now
I put the earbuds in and usuallywatch whatever free movies they give me.

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Yeah, and now it's like athing. People are like, yeah,
I did that the whole flight.I'm like, you mean thinking, like
pondering the world. I always liketo say when somebody says, what do
you do, and I go,I'm reflecting on Life Center Highway. Yeah,
And that's what I'm doing. Ireflecting on Life Center high I saw
that. I saw that float acrossmy timeline as like a new challenge or
whatever, and I'm like that light. Life is too short for me to

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sit there and challenge myself for somethinglike that you think there's value in it.
We want the ability to have compact. We've lost the ability to deep
think and critically think and really tossan issue around. Now it has to
be purposeful thinking. If you're justsitting there going I can do this,
I can do it. No,I got Okay, it's been thirty minutes,
okay, for three hours left.That's not that's not going to help

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anything. So basically, meditation iswhat you're worring essentially, are I what
Meditation and pondering in a different bucket. Meditation is more purposeful of emptying your
mind, whereas pondering or mulling thingsover or thinking about something is the purposeful
inner examination of something. It justsounds like a lot of anxiety to me,
Like, it just sounds like I'mgonna sit there. I want you

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to ask Dave and Al about thisbecause I feel like there's definitely a generational
component. Okay, because I'm nottons older than you, but I am
enough older than you that I amfrom a different generation. You're millennial,
right, yeah, yeah, SoI think there's a generation gap here because
like for me, it was likethat was my childhood in the car riding
backwards in the station wagon, fearingout the back window. Yes, we

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did a lot more road trips,trying to convince people you've been kidnapped that
sorry, without technology, without allthose things, and all you could do
is just its ponder. I mean, that's that's it, right, And
you could read for too long becausethen you get car six. So I
see your point. I just havereached a point in my life that that's
not important to me to ponder things, because again, I just got enough.

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As you get older, trust me, more crap comes into your mind.
As you get older, you startreally thinking about like, wow,
I really did that. I wasdumb. Yeah, that was just dumb.
So in any case, what's notdone is Ryan Edward's coming in here,
because now it's time for the mostexciting segment on the radio of it
skin the wold of the day.A lot of the people who say things

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like this, Mandy, I can'teven handle ten minutes in my own head
carrying down That's what I'm saying.Like going to sleep at night sometimes is
stressful. Yeah, it's very stressful. That's that's true. I have to
and the thing is for me,I get to a point and then we
got to do this thing. Iguess the point where I have to not
do sports things at night for atleast half an hour to an hour because
otherwise my brain is starting to prepfor the next day. Yep, So

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yeah, you gotta turn it off. That's where I have an office downstairs
and the physical act of walking upstairs. There you go, there's the separation.
Then there you go. What isour dad joke of the day?
Please? They run? If anyonegets a message from me about canned meat,
do not open it. It's fairfam boom boom, Yeah it's bad.

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Okay. What is our word ofthe day? Please? Now?
Polemic? Polemic means it's something thatis highly polarizing, something that's multiple.
No, I don't know what itmeans to and I can't remember. A
polemic is a strong, written orspoken attack against someone else's beliefs, opinion.

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I feel like we just had thattoo, and I should know.
Here's a here's a question we shouldall know the answer to, and I
don't think I do, but I'mgonna try anyway. What was the first
commercial radio station in the United States? I want to see w l W
in Cincinnati. Oh No, AW A B. C. Maybe wr

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in New York City, that's myguess. Oh and I almost said this
and I didn't. Katie KA inWilfsburg, Pennsylvania. It actually serves uh
KATK has been around forever and they'reone of the few radio stations that was
allowed to keep a K east ofthe Mississippi. Dang it, I should
have for anyway, Go ahead,limerick a limerick. I'm doing limericks today

(01:42:05):
now. So today's limerick is thereonce was an old girl named Jill who
showed some incredible will. She proppedup her old man says she's his biggest
fan because being first lady's a thrill. There we go. That's today's limerick
of the day. They're all topical. Good. Yeah, if you listen
to the rest of the show,you'll know. There you go. What

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is our Jeopardy category today? Arodode to joy ode and every answer Okay,
wrangling, roping and riding. Takeat what's the rodeos? Correct?
This vocal style features rapid changes intempo and pitch. Oh d e Mandy

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is yeah, that's good. Zimbabwe'sold name wuana rd e to collapse inward
like a building being leveled. Correct. And for the sweep, A battery
has two of these, a positiveanode and negative. What's the diodes wrong?

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Dang it? What are electrodes?Electrodes? And I just like that
on my back for Rhodesia because whowas just who saw that coming? What's
coming up on K Sports? Oh? Well, we got the latest with
the NBA. Uh free agency.The Nuggets stole I that I hate free

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agency. Like I get it,it's a business, blah blah blah,
but it's just waiting to see who'sgonna say or who's gonna come. Here's
the Nuggets have signed no one.A tough thing for both the Nuggets and
the Aves is they're they're kind ofup against it as far as their cap,
or at least where the Nuggets haveset their cap, and so it's
it's very difficult for them to reallymake a lot of moves and that is

(01:43:59):
frustrating for the We'll get into alittle bit. We have had a Mars
joining us for that and we're gonnaget into it. Wait, we got
into it at the very tail endof the show yesterday because Dave thinks I'm
ridiculous saying that Tom Brady's the unquestionedgrace of all time. So that right,
Yeah, okay, no, you'reyou're not wrong. I do want
you to ask Al and Dave thatquestion. I was sitting on a plane
for seven hours. I just wantto know because I do think there's a

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generational gap that awesome, or it'sa gender gap because all the women were
like, oh yeah, I coulddo it. All kinds of crap going
around in my head for seven hours. I'm good. My prediction would be
that Dave would be into that,that Al would not. Well, let's
find out. You can listen upon KOA Sports and see if that comes
up next.