07-08-24 Interview - Mary Rooke - Is Jill the Woman Behind the Puppet?

IS JILL THE WOMAN BEHIND THE PUPPET? My guest today is Mary Rooke whose column last week in the Daily Caller caught my eye. You can read it here. In it she takes Jill Biden to task for putting her own love for power ahead of doing what's right for her husband. Check this out:

Think what you want about Joe’s corruption and tainted legacy, and I surely do, but Jill betrayed him, their marriage, and the promises she made before God on their wedding day. She likes the State Dinners, designer gowns, and being treated like royalty when she travels abroad more than she cares about Joe.

She is right, of course, as Jill and Hunter and James Biden are the only voices telling him to stay in the race. I've got Mary today at 1 to talk about whether or not this is enough to keep the old man in the race.

Episode Transcript

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Last week before the holiday, acolumn was written by a woman named Mary
Rook. The headline Lady mac Bidendesperately clinging to power as has been crumbles
before her eyes. And Mary Rookin this column asked the question that honestly,
as a wife, as a daughter, as a human being, I

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asked, and that is, howcan his family let him continue to be
out in the world when he lookedso terribly bad at the debate? Mary
Rook joins me now to talk aboutit. Mary, First of all,
welcome to the show. Hi,Nandy, Thank you so much for having
me. I appreciate you having meon. So when you I want to
start when you obviously watched the debate, okay, so what were your thoughts.

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I we did a thing here atKoa where we do a live Koa
cast and we kind of make funof the debates, and it's very lighthearted,
and I was really looking forward tocoming in and making fun of everybody
and having a great time. Butin the first ten minutes the fun was
gone because what you were watching wasreally serious. How do you feel as
you started to realize, holy crap, this is worse than I thought.

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You know, it was like cringeworthy. From the moment it started when you
saw Biden kind of shuffling onto stage, there was this moment inside me that
goes, man, this is justgoing to be so bad for Democrats.
And it was like from the momenthe started rambling in his opening statement to
the very end when Joe Biden hadto help him off stage, it was
just a sad realization that this manis well past his prime. His family

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is not protecting him, and theDemocratic Party and the media regime as a
whole have been protecting this part ofhim from the American public for the last
four years. And you start youstart to ask yourself questions like who is
actually running the country, who isactually calling the shots, and why have
they allowed someone that is clearly,you know, incompetent to continue to have

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his hand on, you know,such a powerful button as the presidency.
You wrote in part of this column, and I just want to read this
one small portion. It said,think what you want about Joe's corruption and
tainted legacy, and I surely do. But Jill betrayed him their marriage and
the promises she made before God ontheir wedding day. She likes the state
dinners designer gowns and being treated likeroyalty when she travels abroad more than she

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cares about Joe. That is asuper harsh statement. But I got to
tell you, when I read it, I was like, right on,
Mary, That's how it looked tome. I think that's how it looked
to a lot of people. Youknow, my husband reads everything I write,
and so when he read this piece, he sent it back to me
and he was like, you didnot hold back on this one. And

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my response to him was, ifthis was happening to you, I would
never in a million years allow peopleto see you in this state. Your
dignity, your honor, your legacyas the head of our family means so
much more to me than any youknow, perk that I could get from
you continuing the fallacy of your job. And I would hope that as the

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first lady, she would understand thatthat the American people are watching her,
not just as you know, thekind of face of their feminine side of
their family and all of that,but also just as how do you treat
your husband, and how do youtreat a you know, an elder husband,
and how do you go through lifeas a married couple on the main
stage, and I feel like she'sdoing such a disservice to young adults who

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are looking at marriage now and thinking, Okay, well, this was clearly
acceptable from the first Lady of theUnited States, so that whenever I get
older in my husband's feeling that Ican, you know, essentially act the
same way. I just thought itwas such a disgrace to marriage. And
you know, the vows that shemade. Well, you know, Mary,
you write a lot about election integrity, and you write a lot about
politics, but I don't. Idon't think that I've ever read a column

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by you that felt like it,and I don't want to. I'm trying
to figure of the best way tosay this. It felt very personal and
it wasn't a personal attack so muchis this felt like it was a very
personal issue for you. Yeah,you know, I really try and although
whenever you're reading my stuff, youcan clearly see that I have a point

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of view to be made, andit may not be accepted by half the
nation, but it is a pointof view that's important. In this one
piece, it really felt personal tome. You know, if you've ever
experienced in your life a family memberthat is going through a cognitive decline.
It is. It's a stark realitybetween where they are now and where they
were, say, ten years ago. And when I'm watching Joe Biden,

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it makes me remember my grandfather andit also makes me feel for my father.
If my father's wife was allowing thisto happen, I would be the
like the loudest voice in the roomagainst it, saying absolutely not. You
can't take it taint his legacy inthis way. And I guess it's kind
of what I meant when I saidI surely have my opinions of Joe Biden.

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I mean, we've all seen theHunter Biden laptop. I've reported on
it several times, I've talked aboutit at length. But regardless of all
of that, he is a humanbeing, and all humans deserve a certain
level of dignity, and the peoplethat should be on the forefront of ensuring
that dign dy stays intact, ashis family and the fact that he doesn't
have anyone around him just made mefeel like, like I said in the

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piece, he's waking up realizing thathe is a man dying alone. And
that is and I think it's verycalculated by the family, because I don't
think they have any other means ofmaking money. Yeah, without him in
office. You know, I reallythink they view him as their livelihood and
they put that ahead of what's probablybest for him. Oh absolutely. I

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mean, if you look at HunterBiden and what he needs from his father
as far as the presidential pardon him, just making sure that he stays out
of trouble. And then also onthe other side of the fact that their
family for the last thirty years havemade their millions by selling access to power.
And so if the power source isgone, meaning Joe Biden is out
of office, and they no longerhave a connection to the White House or

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to the Senate, then at whatpoint can they tap into that for any
of their family dealings. And theyjust can't, And I'm not sure that
they know how to make money anyother way. They've leveraged their house.
You know, there was a reportthat said over thirty times they're clearly a
family that needs to have this typeof connection. And one of the things
that I wrote about a different piecewas the fact that he's not like Obama,

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and he's not like Clinton, andhe's not like Bush in the sense
that he's never been one of them. He's always been on the outskirts,
kind of their dumb guy, theguy that is left holding the bag and
the one that they make do allthe dirty stuff and kind of put him
out in the public eye in thatway. And so because of that,
when Joe leaves office, there's notgoing to be this line of universities or

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ted Talks or whatever for Joe Bidenand you know, and her advice for
you know what the first lady ofthe American people want to see in all
of those things. So there's notgoing to be one hundred thousand dollars speaking
fees being thrown her way. Soand what other way with the next four
years to be able to you know, it's sure that their legacy makes enough

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money to survive then keep him inoffice for the next four years, which
is just such a sad state ofaffairs, not only just for their family
but for our country. Knowing thatDemocrats have, you know, essentially one
option. They can either not voteor they can vote for a man who
clearly does not have his mental facultiesaround him and is being controlled by everybody

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else. So they have no ideareally what product they're buying. And that's
a question that you addressed in aprevious column if I'm not mistaken, where
you basically say, look, thiswas a coup against the president to let
him appear this way. And I'vemade a very similar argument on my show,
which is, if I am behindthe scenes Democrats and I know how

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bad it's getting with the president,I want him out, but I want
him out in a way that laysthe groundwork for twenty twenty eight if I
can't replace him at the polls.One thing I'm curious about is why didn't
the Democrat signal to people like GavinNewsom and people like Adam shiff that the
primary was open, like they couldhave had an open primary and gotten a

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different candidate. But they didn't.You know, they all were like,
no, we're not going to entertainany part of that. I think that
there are two factions inside the DemocraticParty, the one that understood that Biden
would not win against Trump because ofhis mental feelings, and then the other
faction that thought, in their hubriousthat they would be able to get him
over the line. And so Ithink that those two parties are fighting right

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now, and we're seeing that playout, and you know, mainstream media
every single day, you have thepeople that are going on going, you
know, whoopee gold Bird today onthe views that I would vote for Joe
Biden even if he pooped his pants. I mean, what a statement,
you know. And then then youhave the other faction who is like,
he's too old, you know,let's let him go off into the dark,

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knight, let's let him go offwith his legacy and tap. And
I think that in the reality,like I said, it's the hubrius of
this side who thought that they continueto have a controlled puppet in the White
House, and that's what they wereplanning and hoping to be able to keep
away from the American public. Andthey also hoped that he would be able
to provide them the cover and hewould have the best day possible if they

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kept him at Camp David for twelvedays and all of those things. But
the problem is with people that aredealing with cognitive decline is that you cannot
bank your money that they are goingto have a good day no matter how
much rest they have. And thatis the problem that they had. You
know, you had Obama leading himoff stage in that California fundraiser, that
California fundraiser, thank you. AndI think that that was a really calculated

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move. I mean, I wroteabout it in that piece that you spoke
about about the coup, in thesense that Obama has always been a showmanship
if nothing else. He knows howto control a crowd, he knows how
to invigorate the people that he's speakingto. And I believe that he knew
exactly what he was doing whenever hewent to that side and led him off
stage. There were different ways thathe could have gotten his attention, and
they could have left the stage withoutharming Biden's you know, I guess legacy

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or the way that he looked tothe American people, But the way he
let him off stage, it feltto me, was very intentional in order
to signal Okay, listen, it'stime. It's time to show the American
people what this guy is actually like. That is a great point. Mary
Rook writes for The Daily Caller.You can find her page. I just
linked to it on today's blog alongwith last week's column. She's writing a
lot of stuff on election integrity,the Save Act. It's all there on

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The Daily Caller. Mary, Thankyou, so much for making time for
us today. Absolutely many. I'llcome back anytime you want, all right,
Thank you, Mary Rook. Thatis the column she writes are really interesting