07-31-24 Interview - Jimmy Sengenberger on Trial of Tina Peters

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sit back and watch the ridiculous trial of Tina Peters
take place.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Today is our day, people.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
And no one's been covering the story better than Jimmy
Singenberger in his columns in the Denver Gazette and also
on this program and Ryan's program and other programs. Jimmy,
welcome to the show. First of all, Oh, did I
hit the button?

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yeah, I'm sorrycorn popping times.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yes, it is finally, finally, finally, Now, Jimmy, I wanted
you to come on because you just did a great
column and we're gonna have to take a break here
in just a minute.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Can you stay to the top of the Oh no,
you can't.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
So let's get in quick. Sure, lay out what happened
as briefly as possible. Kind of layout, why Tina Peters
is on trial?

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah, bottom line. In twenty twenty one, in about May,
somebody who The New York Times discovered was Goes by
the name of Conan and Hayes. He's the former pro
surfer back in the nineteen nineties, went in during the
process of updating election equipment called a trusted build with
the name badge for a Gerald Wood. Now that was

(01:02):
not who the person was Gerald Wood. It was this
Conan Hayes. But they made copies of the election servers
and leaked those online. This was surrepitious, This was allegedly illegal,
flagrantly on ethical the other day. I filled in for
Ross on Monday, and I had Jerry Wood and his
wife Wendy on the show to talk about this, and

(01:25):
he had He says he had no idea that his
badge was going to be used. He was just being
brought in to be on standby for possible it work,
to maybe help out with copying some drives, but had
no idea it was going to go like this. And
now here we are. It's an alleged election security breach
involving a complex identity theft scheme, Mandy, and that's what's

(01:46):
happening in Mason County.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
And now Tina Peters, who has managed to get this
thing delayed, delayed, delayed for two and a half, almost
three years, she is now facing trial. Now, Jimmy, did
I hear right? Is she representing herself?

Speaker 3 (02:01):
You know, I'm not sure about that. I thought she
was on a fifth legal team. If she is, and
that's something that I had missed and I would want
to check into that. I know she has burned through
at least five different legal teams over the last two
and a half years. This whole investigation began in August
of twenty twenty one when it was leaked these images

(02:22):
of the hard drives were leaked at Mike Lindell's conference
Cyber Symposium, and then she was indicted on seven felonies
and a handful of misdemeanors in I think about February
or so of twenty twenty two, and in that time
five legal teams and four trial delays. And I'll take
double check on that. If she is representing, I thought.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I read that somewhere and I thought that would truly
prove to be absolute lunacy on her part, because, as
a lawyer will tell you a person who represents themselves as.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
A fool for a client. So what is the possible
outcome here.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Well, I think it is entirely possible that there could
be a prison time depending on what the jury ends
up deciding. I mean, the bottom line here is that
she is alleged to have undergone all of these steps
and admitted to a lot of the facts too, by
the way, in terms of having had the hard drives
copy gotten somebody in there. We know Colin Hayes's confirmed

(03:20):
that he was the one who used gerald Wood's badge
to go in and make the copies. So a lot
of these things we know enough certainly to say that
she is guilty of unethical conduct. The question is is
she guilty of felonies here which could include prison time
as a result. And I would just say this too,
she underwent this to prove some sort of stolen election.

(03:44):
During her campaign or phil bid to be the Republican
nominee for Secretary of State in twenty twenty two, she
released three different so called reports that if you talk
to actual election experts, reveal buptis. In fact, they don't
show anything in terms of election fraud or anything of
the sort. And I interviewed her at the time and

(04:05):
she could not back up any of those claims. And
so if you make the cases some of our supporters do, Mandy,
that the ends justify the means, the problem is that
there are no actual ends that were achieved there except embarrassment.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Well, and it's not going to help that two of
her assistants, her chief deputy and an aid, have already
pleaded guilty the lesser charges in exchange for their testimony
against Tina Peters.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
So this is not going to end well.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
And the level of delusion she is continuing to show
is mind boggling.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
It's almost George Costanz alike.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
It's not a lie if you believe it, Jimmy, and
that's what Tina Peter seems to be rolling with up
to this point.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Good luck to her. I don't think it's going to
end well.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah, I don't think so as well. I have a
feeling that the jury is going to look at these
facts and draw a conclusion that isn't going to work
in her favor. But you never know. I mean, when
we're talking about ethical conduct, that's clear, but that doesn't
mean that specific laws were necessarily broken and the jury process.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Right, Jimmy Sandenberger, thanks for your time today. You're doing
a great job covering it. Obviously we'll be talking about
it as it comes to its resolution. Thanks for making
time for me today, Jimmy.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Hey, thanks, Andy.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
All right, have a good one.