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August 5, 2024 • 17 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the second hour of the show,
and I am thrilled to have back on the show
with us. One of the great minds between hot behind
hot air dot com, David Strom. He writes there every day,
multiple times a day because apparently they don't get union
breaks at hot air dot com.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
So David, welcome back to Welcome back to this.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
You do not you do not want to know how
little I get paid to write about I figured it
out once. It's about four to five thousand words a day.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Uh yeah, it's just an astronomical amount of writing that
I do. On the other hand, it's exactly how I think.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
I just.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
I'm someone who you know, thinks in you know, short bursts,
you know, yeah, short bursts, And I'm thinking a lot
about a lot of different things. And so you know,
if someone said go write a book, and you know,
book is one hundred and fifty thousand words, that be
what in all three weeks?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, exactly, I couldn't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
I could not do it because it requires a different
kind of thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, attention span, Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Well, today I open up hot air dot Com as
I do every day as a faithful subscriber to the
network there and I saw a story and honestly, I just.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Told David this before the show, before we came on
the air.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
This is the most disheartening series of stories and information
as we as we start to find out more and
more about the Secret Service, secret Service failures at the
Butler Pennsylvania Rally and Friday in the Ultimate look over here,
they had a press conference Friday afternoon during the summer,
there's nothing going on on the weekends, and they basically

(01:48):
admitted all of these horrible things. David, and why don't
we give you the quick list of some of the
as you call them, inexplicable things that were revealed by
acting Secret Service Director Ronald Rowe. What were some of
the things that came out on Friday.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, and let's give you a little bit of background.
You know, Alejandro Majorca has hired Ronald Rowe for the
director's position when Cheatle resigned. Right, Well, Ronald Rowe was
the guy who was in charge of the protective details
as the assistant director, So, you know, a guy who

(02:27):
ought to be investigated on all sorts of things like
why were there not more resources, why weren't there drones.
Why is this the first time that there were counter
snipers at a Trump event? Why were there so many
denials of resources? This guy who ought to be investigated

(02:47):
is the investigator. He's in charge of the investigation now.
Before Congress, he actually said that the problem was a
failure of imagination, that the Secret Service didn't ever imagine
that someone would actually want to take a shot at
one of their protectees.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Oh god, so let me just let me have a moment.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
The only job they have is to have imagination about
how their protectees can be hurt.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
That's their literal, only freaking job.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
And you're telling me it never occurred to us that
we'd actually have to do our job to protect our protectees.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Go ahead, David, Yes, is it over here brief for
a minute.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
There are so many failures here, First of all, the
Secret Service and the local police, which is the Butler Police,
and then the state police, who we actually have their recordings,
right The Secret Service says they didn't record anything from

(03:57):
that day, So you're telling me the local police, you know,
we're paid more attention to what was going on than
the Secret Service. One of the things we learned from
le Row is that nobody at the Secret Service has
interviewed anyone from Butler or the State Police. So it

(04:20):
has been more than three weeks and they have not
interviewed them yet. He said, well, we're going to get
around to that once we're done with all the interviews
of the Secret Service people. It's like, ah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
These are the people are we waterboarding people?

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Like, how long does it take to bring in every
agent that was at the rally for a three hour interview.
That's like a week tops, it's a week.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, Well, and these are the people who saw him,
photographed him. They're the people who swarmed the building minutes before,
you know, with guns drawn. All right, they knew he
was there, they knew he had a gun at least

(05:06):
thirty seconds before. There's some indication they knew he had
a gun two or three minutes before. There are no
radio communications between the locals and the Secret Service, although
there was a radio there, but Rose said that nobody
was monitoring it. And you know, he just goes down

(05:29):
this whole list that he says, well, we've got to
rethink how we do these things. And by the way,
the Secret Service is in a building a third of
a kilometer away from where the headquarters for the local
police are. And so the problem we have here is
for those of us who are cynical but still have

(05:55):
a hard time believing that anyone on our government would
actually plan and execute something like this, is, how do
you come up with an alternative explanation for what is
an inexplicable series of events?

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Well, and at a bare minimum, okay, let's just say,
let's just say David that you and I we have
no idea what we're talking about. We don't know how
these things work. And from the outside looking in, it
was just a series of just one mistake after another
in a vacuum. None of these mistakes are that critical,
but they all just happened to happen in this one
rally when one guy with a gun was going to

(06:34):
show up on this one time. Okay, at a minimum,
everybody that had anything to do with this has to
be fired, right That is thing number one just fired
for incompetence, Like just straight up, you're like, okay, you're fired.
But yet Ronald Roe gets promoted. So we have a guy,
as you just said, he gets promoted because of his
incompetence because ch don't have to be forced out because

(06:56):
she was terrible.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
He refused. I watched a lot of the time stimony
of Ronald Rowe in front of Congress.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
And he talked about a guy that simply refused to
put himself at the top of the food chain when
decisions were being made, or Kimberly Cheetle, he would not
admit me.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, there was a group decision.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
I'm like, wait a minute, don't you make more money
than the other people, Like, if your salary is higher
than the other people, then you are in charge and
you have to take responsibility. When I watched that, I
was like, this dude is not going to take responsibility
for anything. And this leads me to a bigger question,
and that is this goes along with what we have

(07:36):
seen in the FBI. Christopher Ray is still head of
the FBI. Christopher Ray sat in front of Congress and
questioned openly whether or not Donald Trump had been shot,
even though then the FBI had to come out a
couple days later and said we always.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Knew he was shot. You know, it's not a question.
It was Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
So Christopher Ray does this. So we have all of
these people, these kind of people circling around and and
and this is the deep state that Donald Trump talks about.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
But is there any hope of it ever going away?

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Well, I mean, you know, one of my major critiques
of Trump after he left office. You know, I said
that Donald Trump had three amazing years, far better than
I ever expected, and then he was defeated by the
deep state in year four over COVID y, which, you know,

(08:32):
to to give him credit, and I give him a
lot of credit, he was utterly ill equipped to deal with.
You know, Donald Trump is amazing at negotiating with people,
at seeing through people, but here he was faced with

(08:52):
something where he had absolutely no experience. He had people
who he thought he had every reason to trust. I mean,
who didn't trust doctors back then?

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Uh uh. I do think he learned, kiddie.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
I do.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
I see the cat has appeared in the zoom chat. Yeah,
cat has entered the chat.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yes. In any case, I think this time around, he understands.
And today Elon Musk offered to help set up and
chair a government efficiency.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
I saw that. I saw that.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
That's that's a really interesting proposition because unless you really
reform the civil service system, there are too many protections.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
And I understand. Let's okay, let's just break it down.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
The Civil Service Code exists so we can have a
bureaucracy that is not necessarily subject to the slings and
eras of political wins, right, which is necessary, or it
would be chaos and DC. But the protections have gone
well beyond is reasonable.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
And it is damn near.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Impossible to fire someone for egregious behavior like stabbing an
administration in the back while they're trying to do something.
And I do believe that that happened during the Trump
administration to your poll.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
No. In fact, the New York Times, you know, was
crowing about this. Yeah, we're doing editorials for you know,
I'm part of the resistance within the Trump administration exactly,
you know, which is if not an insurrection, it's insurrection. Ee.
When you've got this sort of conspiracy of government officials

(10:34):
and they're bragging about being conspirators against the elected president,
you know, I mean, you know, with regard to the
you know, how a political or not the government employees are.
All you need to know is that Washington, DC is
ninety eight percent Democrat. Yeah, you know, and so the

(11:00):
we have to look at government as another interest group
because that's what it is, you know. And it's an
interest group that controls six trillion dollars exactly and regulates
the rest of the economy. There's no organization on earth
that is more powerful than the bureaucrats. So I in

(11:23):
the federal government, I.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Do want to dip my toe to this story that
I didn't see until you pointed it out. Former Secret
Service Director Kimberly Cheedle and others in top agency leadership
positions wanted to destroy the cocaine discovered in the White
House last summer, but the Secret Service Forensic Services Division
and the Uniform Division stood firm and rejected the push
to dispose of the evidence. I mean, what the deuce,

(11:47):
what the hell like? What there's evidence in boxes from
twenty five years ago and they want to destroy the cocaine.
Makes this makes me wonder did we ever? Was there
even a cursory investigation into.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
I'm sure there wasn't because the agent who was in
charge of the investigation wanted to do forensic work and
they took him off the case. He just wanted to
do basic friends.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Fingerprints, things like that, looking for fingerprints, and so they
never even fingerprinted the bag.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
No at least as far as I can tell. I mean,
you know, the story is not that explicit. It just
said basic forensic work, which you could interpret to be that.
But you know, I can't say definitively they didn't do that.
But I think I can say definitively they didn't want
to know who it was. And you know, now that

(12:45):
doesn't mean all of us immediately think Hunter Biden.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
I mean, it's not a crazy guess, you know what
I mean, if past behavior is any future future indicator
of future performance, not a wild accusation to say that
it was Hunter Biden.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
No, but it could have been anyone at the top level.
I mean, the people who went through that door were
top level people, and none of them would they want
to discover sure they were. Yeah, so uh, you know,
and I want to be careful. I certainly don't want
to throw an accusation there. I think. I think one thing,
you know, looking at all of this, that we can

(13:23):
say definitively is, uh, there's been a cover up. Uh,
there's been perjury before Congress and provably so for instance
Christopher Ray saying, well, we aren't sure whether it was
a bullet that hit Trump. It's like, yeah, you were
sure on day one.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, and that's what the FBI subsequently came out and said,
so what the hell?

Speaker 2 (13:44):
What what was that?

Speaker 3 (13:46):
There was never any doubt And you cannot tell me
that Christopher Ray did not know that. I mean, you know,
the head of the FBI didn't know this little tiny
little detail you know.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
About an assassination attempt. I'm sure was no problem. I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Let me get one more thing before we go, because
I want people to go to your hot air dot
com and read your stories about this. And now we
also know that the Secret Service whistleblower who is working
for the agency told a reporter on Thursday that the
agency management asked for his cell phone a few months
after j six when the Department of Homeland Security inspector
was going on and they scrubbed the Secret Service scrub

(14:26):
the phones.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
So oh absolutely, I mean, and that case was relatively similar.
There was a this was a pipe bomb case on
January sixth, and they let Kamala Harris, who was a
VP elect, get within twenty feet of a pipe bomb.

(14:47):
And if you look at the responses, I mean, it's
an IG report, so it goes on forever. But if
you look at the Secret Service responses at the end,
they actually say, well, we didn't do a hot wash
on this because it was not an agency failure, which
is another way of saying, we'll only look into it

(15:10):
if somebody dies. You know, it's just unbelievable. You could
go to the Inspector General report. In fact, I included it.
I've written two articles today on the Secret Service, and
on the second one I include a screenshot from the
IG report where the IG is talking about how the
cover up and the Secret Service, of course says it

(15:34):
wasn't a cover up, it was a software update. Like
how many times have you updated your phone and lost
everything and lost anything?

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Never does that has never happened.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
This is like when my sons used to use my
computer and they would scrub the search history. I'm like, kids,
we all know what's going on here. Don't scrub my
search history because I know what you're up to.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Same thing.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Oh, it's just a software Know everybody in America updates
their phone whenever that happened, and we never lose anything.
David Stram is doing great work along with the rest
of the team at hot air dot com. I appreciate
you making time for me today and great work on this,
although I will tell you I don't want to believe
any of this is true, and yet here we are.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Yeah. I think at this point you just have to
say they have the burden of proof. If this happened
in any other country, if someone had said to you, oh,
in Estonia, Ukraine, Russia, you know, any country in the
world other than the Mexico and someone laid out these facts,

(16:37):
you would just assume that someone in the government arranged
for this. They have the burden of proof. I am
not accusing them of doing this, but it's up to
them now to explain how this happened. What is a
plausible explanation, because there is none exactly as of now.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
David, I appreciate you. We'll talk again soon, my friend.
All right, all right, that's David Strong with hot air
dot com. Really, you guys, what do we do here?
And I'm being genuine, what do we do with this
as the American people? Because here I am sitting in Denver, Colorado,
I don't feel like I have a lot of poll here.
I don't feel what I'd like to have happen is

(17:18):
I would like to have Congress actually have a bipartisan investigation.
I would like both sides of the aisle to say
this is not okay because right now it's the Republicans
that are being targeted, but at any minute, the winds
could shift and then it could be the Democrats. This
is all incredibly concerning and upsetting. When we get back,
we've got some good news on the firefront, We've got

(17:40):
a whole bunch of other stuff happening, and let's see,
I'm trying to find oh, can we talk about true
crime stories when we get back.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
I'll explain after this. Keep it right here on KOA

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