August 9, 2024 • 9 mins
DON'T TAKE YOUR TRAUMA ONLINE Find out how to deal with trauma in a healthy way. I've got Trauma Psychologist & Bestselling Author of "Triumph Over Trauma" Dr. Gregory Jantz on today to talk about the 7 signs of unaddressed trauma and how to manage this underlying problem that can wreak havoc in your life! Buy his book or take his trauma test here. He joins me at 1pm to discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Renowned psychologist Gregory Chance. Doctor Gregory Chance, he's got a
book out, Triumph Over Trauma, and he says, look, the
number one calls he's getting now are not about anxiety,
depression or addictions. It's all about trauma. And he even
has a trauma quiz to take. So we're going to
find out all about that today, Doctor Chance. Welcome to
the show.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Good to be with you. Such an important topic today.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, you know, it's interesting you say people are not
calling about anxiety, depression or addictions. It's always been my
kind of understanding or supposition that a lot of times
it is trauma that is at the root of anxiety,
depression or addictions. So is it just that people are
getting more aware that there's something underlying all these other things?
Is that what's happening?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Well, trauma is an interesting word because what's traumatic to
one person may not need to be the next. But
people are calling in and they're saying, I've been traumatized
or I've had enough trauma. There's so much trauma in
the world right now. And yes, we're at a breaking point.
We have a mental health crisis in our country. I
would say probably closer to an epidemic mental health issues.
(01:10):
The number one diagnosis in our country right now actually
is anxiety disorder. Now, anxiety disorder can come from a
lot of different issues, but anxiety and depressions still are
at the top. But people are describing they're at a
saturation point, and they're saying, I've had enough trauma.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And I'm gonna ask this question delicately because I know
I'm talking to a very important psychologist. Are we catastrophizing
too much to make it into trauma or you know,
I just know that for some things that I have
heard others talk about, trauma wise, it's laughable compared to
someone else. Or is it just as significant to them
(01:52):
even though it seems insignificant to me.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
It's a good question, and I do believe that what
could be traumatic for one is different for the other.
But everybody has shared since post COVID mental health issues,
and the need is greater than our ability to deliver
help right now, And so we look at people who
have suffered from long standing depression that's gotten worse. If
(02:18):
you struggled with social anxiety pre COVID, now you have
multiple anxieties. Panic attacks are up. So people are reaching
I set a saturation point, an emotional saturation point. So
we're like beyond burnout, We're beyond stressed. Our bodies are
crying out. Sleep disorders are at an all time high,
(02:40):
and so people are in one word, suffering. Now we
are doing things that add to our trauma. You mentioned addictions,
Well we know that addiction and alcohol consumption and drugs
and misuse of prescription drugs, cannabis, all this is out
again at an all time high, and it's hurting us,
(03:02):
not helping us.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
That's an interesting point. I mean, it's a very interesting point.
We seem to be doing the opposite of what we
need to do. Is that because people don't recognize when
they have trauma? And if not, how can you figure
that out?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yes? And I think, well that's why I take my
free little confidential quiz here in a minute, because that's
important to look at. Go okay, where do I score
on this trauma continuum? But here's the thing. People are tired,
They're weary emotionally, and so they're looking I call it
mood modulate. They want to feel different. Well, I can
(03:38):
use alcohol and I feel different for a little while,
but then I overuse it and then I feel worse.
And alcohol is a central nervous system depressant, and so
some of the things I'm using to cope actually end
up making things worse. And you said something that was
so important at the beginning. You said about the root.
(04:00):
We've got to get to the root cause of the trauma.
If it's abuse that's never been dealt with, if I'm
in an abusive relationship, whether it be emotional abuse or
sexual abuse, but trauma could have been from a significant
loss early on. And I'm going to add I think
social media for our youth can be traumatic. There's a
(04:22):
lot of cyberbully behavior going.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
On when you talk about, you know, different traumatic experiences.
And I was saying earlier, you know, I mentioned this
on my show before. I've talked to many veterans, and
when you talk to them about the horrible things that
they've gone through, often they will deflect and say, oh,
but my buddy over here had it so much worse.
Do you think that's common is that people think of
the traumatic things that have happened to them in their
(04:45):
lives and they downplay them because they know someone who's
had it worse.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well, we downplay it, or we deny the significance and
we begin to really deflect that home. No, this had
a significant effect on me, and it's affected my self esteem,
my self concept. If I'm in a toxic relationship that's
got a lot of trauma in it, it's affecting my trust,
(05:14):
it's affecting how I see my future. I may even
take on a victim role. I may take on well
I kind of deserve this, and you allow yourself to
be mistreated, So all that fits into trauma. And then
right now, here's a big issue. People don't know what
to believe. They don't know what's true. I listened to
(05:36):
the new I don't know what's true, but I'm tired
of being traumatized.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Are people being traumatized by current events?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Well, I think we can oversaturate ourselves in it. I
think I hate to use the word trigger. Trigger is
kind of overused, but we can be so triggered by
things that are going on because it we can Next,
was something that happened to us before? You know, Mistrust
is that an all time low. People don't trust others,
(06:09):
and so when you add mistrust, you don't have close relationships.
And you know, I'm looking at loneliness right now, Yeah, loneliness,
you think. No, we have more ways to be connected
to social media, but we are seeing so many people
who are suffering in silence, and in one word, they
(06:30):
are so lonely and they're alone. So we're not feeling
those important relationship connections that we all need.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
So I want to ask you this. You have this
trauma quiz online and I clicked over to look at
it before you came on the show, and I was
kind of expecting, tell me, tell me about this horrible
thing that happened to you. But it's the exact opposite.
It's it's how you feel right now. How did you
build the trauma test?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, this is actually by and this happens to be
and it's so fun that we're talking now. This is
our fortieth year anniversary. So I'm from the center, a
place of hope and through the years that this has
been thousands of folks that we've worked with, and we
see patterns, and that's what we're looking for. I see
patterns of trauma in my life that have not been
attended to. I may have a lot of hidden resentments
(07:20):
and bitterness. I may have a secret addiction or a
food addiction. I look for ways of coping with all
this hurt and pain in my life, and that's why
I think we've got to get to the root of it.
So how am I being affected right now? For some
they've carried these hurts, and I'm going to say, mistreatment
or trauma. You've carried it for a long time. And
(07:42):
trauma could be unintentional. It could have been a significant
loss early on in life, multiple losses of relationships, things
that were traumatic when you were younger that still bring
you a source of hurt and pain, you know, twenty
or forty years later.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
My guess is doctor Gregory Chance. Now, doctor Chance, if
someone goes to your trauma test, they take the trauma
test and they find out, Wow, this has been affecting
me negatively, and I maybe I didn't realize these things
were connected.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
What is the next step? Well, the next step is
I am going to automatically send you a number of resources.
Over the next couple of days. We're gonna send you
some resources and let you begin to dig just a
little bit deeper. Sometimes we just need to have more information.
Sometimes it's okay, I really need to address this, And
(08:35):
I'm going to say if you've been suffering, it's three months,
it's six months, and things are not getting better. Be
honest with yourself, look in the mirror and have a
little little checkup from the net cup and go, Okay,
I need to do something, because if I stay in
this downward spiral, where's it taking me? And here's the
thing that we see people generally regret waiting so long
(09:00):
to get help. I'm afraid to get help. I don't
know what's really available, and so we want to resource
you and kind of put you in a place where
you can make a good decision about what you need.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Doctor Grebory Jance. I appreciate your time today very much,
and I put a link on the blog to his
website so you can go and take the trauma test
for yourself and see if maybe it's time to get
some help for whatever is ailing you. Doctor Jans, thank
you so much for your time today.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
So good to be with you. Thank you for having
me all right.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Thank you
Renowned psychologist Gregory Chance. Doctor Gregory Chance, he's got a
book out, Triumph Over Trauma, and he says, look, the
number one calls he's getting now are not about anxiety,
depression or addictions. It's all about trauma. And he even
has a trauma quiz to take. So we're going to
find out all about that today, Doctor Chance. Welcome to
the show.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Good to be with you. Such an important topic today.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, you know, it's interesting you say people are not
calling about anxiety, depression or addictions. It's always been my
kind of understanding or supposition that a lot of times
it is trauma that is at the root of anxiety,
depression or addictions. So is it just that people are
getting more aware that there's something underlying all these other things?
Is that what's happening?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Well, trauma is an interesting word because what's traumatic to
one person may not need to be the next. But
people are calling in and they're saying, I've been traumatized
or I've had enough trauma. There's so much trauma in
the world right now. And yes, we're at a breaking point.
We have a mental health crisis in our country. I
would say probably closer to an epidemic mental health issues.
(01:10):
The number one diagnosis in our country right now actually
is anxiety disorder. Now, anxiety disorder can come from a
lot of different issues, but anxiety and depressions still are
at the top. But people are describing they're at a
saturation point, and they're saying, I've had enough trauma.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And I'm gonna ask this question delicately because I know
I'm talking to a very important psychologist. Are we catastrophizing
too much to make it into trauma or you know,
I just know that for some things that I have
heard others talk about, trauma wise, it's laughable compared to
someone else. Or is it just as significant to them
(01:52):
even though it seems insignificant to me.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
It's a good question, and I do believe that what
could be traumatic for one is different for the other.
But everybody has shared since post COVID mental health issues,
and the need is greater than our ability to deliver
help right now, And so we look at people who
have suffered from long standing depression that's gotten worse. If
(02:18):
you struggled with social anxiety pre COVID, now you have
multiple anxieties. Panic attacks are up. So people are reaching
I set a saturation point, an emotional saturation point. So
we're like beyond burnout, We're beyond stressed. Our bodies are
crying out. Sleep disorders are at an all time high,
(02:40):
and so people are in one word, suffering. Now we
are doing things that add to our trauma. You mentioned addictions,
Well we know that addiction and alcohol consumption and drugs
and misuse of prescription drugs, cannabis, all this is out
again at an all time high, and it's hurting us,
(03:02):
not helping us.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
That's an interesting point. I mean, it's a very interesting point.
We seem to be doing the opposite of what we
need to do. Is that because people don't recognize when
they have trauma? And if not, how can you figure
that out?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yes? And I think, well that's why I take my
free little confidential quiz here in a minute, because that's
important to look at. Go okay, where do I score
on this trauma continuum? But here's the thing. People are tired,
They're weary emotionally, and so they're looking I call it
mood modulate. They want to feel different. Well, I can
(03:38):
use alcohol and I feel different for a little while,
but then I overuse it and then I feel worse.
And alcohol is a central nervous system depressant, and so
some of the things I'm using to cope actually end
up making things worse. And you said something that was
so important at the beginning. You said about the root.
(04:00):
We've got to get to the root cause of the trauma.
If it's abuse that's never been dealt with, if I'm
in an abusive relationship, whether it be emotional abuse or
sexual abuse, but trauma could have been from a significant
loss early on. And I'm going to add I think
social media for our youth can be traumatic. There's a
(04:22):
lot of cyberbully behavior going.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
On when you talk about, you know, different traumatic experiences.
And I was saying earlier, you know, I mentioned this
on my show before. I've talked to many veterans, and
when you talk to them about the horrible things that
they've gone through, often they will deflect and say, oh,
but my buddy over here had it so much worse.
Do you think that's common is that people think of
the traumatic things that have happened to them in their
(04:45):
lives and they downplay them because they know someone who's
had it worse.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well, we downplay it, or we deny the significance and
we begin to really deflect that home. No, this had
a significant effect on me, and it's affected my self esteem,
my self concept. If I'm in a toxic relationship that's
got a lot of trauma in it, it's affecting my trust,
(05:14):
it's affecting how I see my future. I may even
take on a victim role. I may take on well
I kind of deserve this, and you allow yourself to
be mistreated, So all that fits into trauma. And then
right now, here's a big issue. People don't know what
to believe. They don't know what's true. I listened to
(05:36):
the new I don't know what's true, but I'm tired
of being traumatized.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Are people being traumatized by current events?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Well, I think we can oversaturate ourselves in it. I
think I hate to use the word trigger. Trigger is
kind of overused, but we can be so triggered by
things that are going on because it we can Next,
was something that happened to us before? You know, Mistrust
is that an all time low. People don't trust others,
(06:09):
and so when you add mistrust, you don't have close relationships.
And you know, I'm looking at loneliness right now, Yeah, loneliness,
you think. No, we have more ways to be connected
to social media, but we are seeing so many people
who are suffering in silence, and in one word, they
(06:30):
are so lonely and they're alone. So we're not feeling
those important relationship connections that we all need.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
So I want to ask you this. You have this
trauma quiz online and I clicked over to look at
it before you came on the show, and I was
kind of expecting, tell me, tell me about this horrible
thing that happened to you. But it's the exact opposite.
It's it's how you feel right now. How did you
build the trauma test?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, this is actually by and this happens to be
and it's so fun that we're talking now. This is
our fortieth year anniversary. So I'm from the center, a
place of hope and through the years that this has
been thousands of folks that we've worked with, and we
see patterns, and that's what we're looking for. I see
patterns of trauma in my life that have not been
attended to. I may have a lot of hidden resentments
(07:20):
and bitterness. I may have a secret addiction or a
food addiction. I look for ways of coping with all
this hurt and pain in my life, and that's why
I think we've got to get to the root of it.
So how am I being affected right now? For some
they've carried these hurts, and I'm going to say, mistreatment
or trauma. You've carried it for a long time. And
(07:42):
trauma could be unintentional. It could have been a significant
loss early on in life, multiple losses of relationships, things
that were traumatic when you were younger that still bring
you a source of hurt and pain, you know, twenty
or forty years later.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
My guess is doctor Gregory Chance. Now, doctor Chance, if
someone goes to your trauma test, they take the trauma
test and they find out, Wow, this has been affecting
me negatively, and I maybe I didn't realize these things
were connected.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
What is the next step? Well, the next step is
I am going to automatically send you a number of resources.
Over the next couple of days. We're gonna send you
some resources and let you begin to dig just a
little bit deeper. Sometimes we just need to have more information.
Sometimes it's okay, I really need to address this, And
(08:35):
I'm going to say if you've been suffering, it's three months,
it's six months, and things are not getting better. Be
honest with yourself, look in the mirror and have a
little little checkup from the net cup and go, Okay,
I need to do something, because if I stay in
this downward spiral, where's it taking me? And here's the
thing that we see people generally regret waiting so long
(09:00):
to get help. I'm afraid to get help. I don't
know what's really available, and so we want to resource
you and kind of put you in a place where
you can make a good decision about what you need.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Doctor Grebory Jance. I appreciate your time today very much,
and I put a link on the blog to his
website so you can go and take the trauma test
for yourself and see if maybe it's time to get
some help for whatever is ailing you. Doctor Jans, thank
you so much for your time today.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
So good to be with you. Thank you for having
me all right.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Thank you
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