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August 27, 2024 22 mins
DEBORAH FLORA IS TALKING ABOUT KIDS And she is one of the featured speakers this weekend at the March for Kids, which should bring thousands to DC for a march about protecting kids. Find out more about the march here, and Deborah joins me at 2:30 to talk about it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dip Flora.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
You remember from her race in the fourth Congressional District
that did not go the way we wanted it to go.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
But she is back and back doing what.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Really I'm not going to say put you on the map, Deborah,
because that's not giving you enough do. But you have
long been at the forefront of fighting for our children
in a variety of ways, and now you're going to
be on a big stage and Saturday in Washington, d C.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
First of all, welcome back to the show. Great to
be here, Mandy, as always, thank you. Good to be here.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
So tell me a little bit about what's happening Saturday
in Washington, d C.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm so excited about this. You and I've talked about
how movements in history, the vast majority of them, never.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Make a lasting change.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Most of them get to a certain point plateau, then
taper off. When we think of movements that have made
a difference, there's a suffrage move it's a civil rights movement.
Something happened to bring it to critical mass with lasting change.
The movement I've been a part of that you're talking about,
is the parental rights, educational freedom of protecting children, girls' sports.

(01:04):
I've been fighting for that for a long time, first.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Of all as a mom, someone who just cares.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
And by the way, that's why most of us will
never stop fighting for this because we care. Having started
Parents United America introduced curriculum, transparency, legislation, done the documentary, etc.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
And what I've always had a.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Vision for I spoke with someone who Tina Dskovich, and
with the same vision, it's time to have a march
for kids. And what we're doing on Saturday in Washington,
DC is the first ever March for Kids. And the
wonderful thing about this, Amandy, is it transcends all.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
The rest of the polarization.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
We've got people who are coming from every political spectrum,
from every ethnic group, from every religious group, and that
is what it's about. So we're coming together. I'll be
speaking at the first ever March for Kids Saturday this
coming Saturday, August thirty first, along with people like doctor
Alvita King, Tulca Gabbard, and many others who've been at

(02:01):
the front of this movement.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Because I believe.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
That after COVID, everybody woke up and that was a
moment in history. But if parents don't stay engaged, this
movement will go by the wayside of many others. We've
got to get to critical mass because just because kids
are back in school does not mean the things that
are happening there that may be antithetical to a family's
values are not still happening.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Case in point, if I do, if I may today
from X, I have to give a lot of a
big shout out for Aaron for parental rights. She has
a wonderful Twitter feed that always has great information. She
dug into the first grade social study standards. And in
case you were thinking to yourself, you know what, first

(02:48):
greed needs more talk about sex work.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Good news.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Good news.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Now in Colorado, our six year olds are going to
have the opportunity to learn about sex work.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Is this all going to come about?

Speaker 2 (03:01):
They're going to teach them about the Stonewall riots. They're
going to teach them about the two people who kind
of kicked off the Stonewall riots, who, in addition to
being drag queens not necessarily trans women, but drag queens
also sex traffic young boys that they picked up off
the streets. And that is the context which your six
year old is going to hear that. Johnson and Rivera

(03:24):
recognize that many transgender people turned to sex work after
being rejected by their families, setting it up for first
graders to understand if they ever have gender dysphoria, sex
work and cutting off from their families is the best option,
you know.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
And I found myself laughing when you said that, not
out of amusement, just how to just share absurdities. And
that is the problem.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
One of the things that I love about this March
for Kids that we're having on Saturday is because when
I talk to people from any different spectrum, I mean,
you know, you got the Muslim dads in Detroit who
are standing up against the sexualize of the children. I've
let a rally down at our Capitol building and it
was bilingual because half of the folks who showed up
were Hispanic standing against the sexualization of their children. This

(04:10):
transcends everything, because why this is happening is.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Most people don't know.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Most people really just believe they're going to send their
child off to school, they're going to learn how to
read and write.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
And the reality is right here in Colorado.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
I haven't seen the latest statistics, but I think was
last year less than forty percent read a grade level
less than thirty percent do math.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
At grade level.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
And by the way, this burden's teachers. Can you imagine
your first grade teacher. Really, that's when children begin to
learn to read and No, instead you're supposed to be
teaching them about all of these adult topics. And when
we look at really this mental health issue we have
with kids today, we're creating the.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Problem and trying to fix the problem.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
So how are these kids going to be able to
count their money from the sex work if they can't
do math.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Strategy we need to use.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
That's a truck question because I would I would bug
against the premise they shouldn't be counting money from that kind.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Of work period.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
But Aaron does great work on that. And the reality
is my concern has always been we've got to get.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
This to critical mass.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
We have got to remind parents that these things are
still going on. But there's a lot of great news
of what's happening, Mandy and I want to.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Share that too.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
For instance, you have the stand that's happening across the
country to protect girls sports and safe spaces. Yes, everybody
understands this is not a matter of treating every child
with dignity. We all believe in that, but everybody understands
it's fundamentally unfair.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
For a girl to either be forced to shower next to.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
An anatomical mail or to compete against him.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
You are literally the agency taking away her agency to
say this is not okay. Because if you say it's
not okay, well you're transphobic. They call you a name
and send you out of the sports world.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
With one percent.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
And the reality is I spoke to her mom the
other day, whose daughter had always dreamt of being an
Olympic runner, and at the age of twelve, she decided
to quit because she looked at her mother and said,
what does it even matter? What does it matter? Because
she was watching the Olympics, she was watching some of
the stories there, and she no longer believes in the
United States of America she can pursue her dream and

(06:23):
therefore doesn't matter how far she goes in sports. But
she no longer believes that she will be protected in
her own sport and have a right to an even
playing field.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
That's just wrong. But the positive.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Part is across the country you see people waking up
and saying, okay, wait a second, you can't just call
somebody a name and silence, a real conversation about what
is right.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Another bright spot.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Another thing I'm working with is a scholarships. I'm on
the board of ASE Scholarships, which has a long standing
twenty five year history of supporting low income students so
they're not trapped by their zip code and they can succeed.
They're also now and I'm working with them on the
ESA movement that's taking over in red states across the country.
That literally is an education savings account. What that does

(07:09):
it gives the money back to the parents. The money
follows the student, not the system. We're going to see
a revolution if we keep on going down this pathway,
a positive one that will achieve lasting change.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
So there are bright spots.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Well, we've got to make sure we keep this at
the forefront of the conversation and show nationally. I invite
everybody to go to March four Kids, that's four Kids
dot com join us on Saturday. Like I said, doctor
Elvita King will be there, tying this in with the
civil rights movement of.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Her uncle, Talsey Gabbard, Glenn Beck.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
A lot of great people, and I'm going to be
honored to be speaking there as well.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Well, there's quite a few heavy hitters on this list,
and are they do you know if this is going
to be streamed on c Span or any of that stuff,
because traditionally they'll they'll try to pick something up.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
But this is the first year for this march.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
This is the very first one and so so anyone
who comes can be a part of the inaugural situation.
We hope for this to be the newest ongoing march.
We know the March for Life has been going on
ever since nineteen seventy three, the longest lasting march, which
has made very large changes.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
We hope that this is the next.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Longest march until we achieve complete parental rights, educational freedom,
getting education back to just a place where kids learn
and flourish from opening their minds, not being told what
to think, but how to think critically, how to have
the skills to succeed.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
That's what this is really about.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
And it's not just education, it's medical freedom as well.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Right, you know, you're a mom. I'm a mom. I
remember the moment.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Our our children turned twelve and they were asked if
they wanted to go back by themselves without us who
decided that?

Speaker 1 (08:51):
I mean That's what happened in our family.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
I was like, oh, I'm sorry, is she paying the copaye?

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Because if she's not bringing it to.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Pay, then I'm coming in here. And my daughter was like,
I don't care. I mean sure, it's fine. The the
inter the intervention between the parental child relationship has never
been under attack like it is right now. I mean
in history now, there were times when children were seen
not heard. There were times when children were raised by

(09:19):
someone else. There were times when people had ten or
twelve children because only five would survive, right, and they
needed them to work in the fields. But I don't
ever recall a time when the government was actively working
at every level that we're in. I mean from the
school board level. We've talked a lot about like Cherry
Creek schools. If you have a kid in Cherry Creek,
you need to understand what your school board is advocating for.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
If you're in.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Jef Co, you need to know that they are actively
working to separate you from.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Your child when it comes to school. And you're right,
this is a fundamental shift.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
The reason why we called our documentary Whose Children Are They?
Is because there's two world's views. Amer Can experiment, which
has produced the greatest prosperity and happiness in many ways
in human history, is based on the Western civilization idea
that the family is the building block, that is the

(10:13):
number one source of strength in a culture. That's where
governance starts within the family unit and.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
It goes out from there.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
There's an exact opposite view, I called the statist view.
I saw it in the Soviet Union, in East Germany
other places where I've been, and they truly believe it
is the state's right responsibility to educate the child on
everything worldview, morality, political view. The first allegiance is to
the state, not to the family unit. All you have

(10:42):
to do is read nineteen eighty four and you see
it first hand. So we're at that crossroads, and it
is this is why I think this march is so important.
This is not just about families, as though that wasn't
even enough. It's about the very cornerstone of our civilization.
And if that breaks down, we're talking about the future
of our country. You know, Lincoln said, what's taught in

(11:03):
the classroom today will be in the government tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
So there's politicization in the classroom.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
There is a goal to separate the nuclear family and
divide and who has ultimate authority over decision making for
the child. You know, I'm not saying every parent is
perfect by any means, and we have laws to take
care of that. But you know, Mandy, you know better
than any bureaucrat what makes your child happy or sad,
what food they like, what food they don't like, how

(11:30):
they work best.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
How they don't work best.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
The parents truly do know, but there has been something
in our culture that's been working to discredit parents as
the problem.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yep, not actually the ultimate authority.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
And you just have to look at the way the
media took comments by jd Vance talking about I think
that people with kids their their you know, votes should
have more weight. The man didn't propose legislation. He was
making a bigger point about your view point when you
are a parent. And as a matter of fact, I
have a story on the blog today totally kind of unrelated,

(12:05):
but it's about they did a study on which parts
of your brain light up when you think about love,
and parental love was the deepest in our brain.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
It was the most intense in our brain. And yet
JD Vance saying.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Look, people with children have a different worldview of the
world they're leaving behind, which I agree with.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
But you would have thought he would have said.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
If you don't have kids, you should go jump off
a cliff, And you would have thought that he had said,
if you're a single parent, you should go jump off
a cliff. He said none of that, but the reaction
was so visceral and so immediate to shut it down
and make him look like some kind of maniac because
he's advocating for the traditional nuclear family, that's two parents
and children, and study after study after study shows that

(12:51):
the big advantage for kids is two parents, way more
than socioeconomic way more than what neighborhood they live in.
If they have two parents in the hume, they are
far more likely to succeed. And yet that statistical information
seems to just annoy people on the other side.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
It's interesting too, because it's only coming from one side.
I don't see parents going around and telling those who
are single or don't have kids how they need to
live their lives, what they need to do. This needs
to get back to a situation where we honor and
we respect one another's rights, one another's rights to live free.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
When I started parents United in America.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
One of the things that I spoke very deeply and
thought about when we formed it.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
This is for every parent's right.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
It doesn't mean I tell another parent how they need
to raise their children. I mean, obviously there are laws
to protect children, et cetera. But this is really about
the fact that I honor respect that they know their
children better than anyone else.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
I know my kids better than anyone else. We have
two children.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
In the minute you have too, you suddenly realize how
different every child is.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
On top of it.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Oh, yes, and they're not little miniature us. That's the
most They're not the parent parenting. You're like, wait a minute, yes,
this person and they're nothing like me.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
And I think it's very important the future of our
country because if this building block gets broken down, then
we have something where suddenly everything has been institutionalized. Everything
is now no longer that human touch and interaction. And
by the way, I've always said that, you know, if
our founding fathers had ever thought we would get to

(14:25):
this day where the most fundamental basic right of the
parents would be questioned, printer rights would have been in
the Bill of Rights.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
But to me, I believe was unthinkable to them.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
It's the cornerstone of Western civilization and we've got to
protect it and let everybody live freely.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Well, you can find out more information. I linked to
this on the blog so you can see the speakers.
They have a lot of I'm trying to find out
if they have a stream it button, but we'll find out.
I'll see if I can find out where they are
going to be where you can see this. So it's
interesting that you've got all these speakers coming forward. And

(15:03):
I'm wondering how much much like the March for Life,
which brings hundreds of thousands of people to DC.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Every year for fifty years. Yes, it's like.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
It never happens every year. It's like, oh, some people
showed up and did a thing.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
You know.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
It's amazing to me how carefully the news media will
avoid this.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
We were actually at the March for Life but a
couple of times, and what we were overwhelmed by was
that out of hundreds of thousands of people, over half
of them were young people, and the spirit was absolutely
so uplifting and joyful. It's not an angry crowd. And
by the way they cleaned up after themselves. I would
talk to the people you know that were over the
parks and the entire situation the moll and they're like,

(15:43):
it's the neatest, tidiest gathering we've ever seen. And there
are these young people that are growing purposely.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Picking things up. That's the thing. This is the first
inaugural one, so we are, you.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Know, moderating our anticipation, but this is to launch it,
to get it off the ground, and to say, let's
keep this going until we achieve either a parental rights.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Amendment or we.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Have enough laws in place in states around the country
so that we never on this precipice again. This is
the best thing for every child to have those who
know them best, whatever that family looks like, the people
who know them best making the decisions, partnering with good teachers,
partnering with good medical professionals, but not being shut out.

(16:26):
And that is something where I think we're going to
turn this around. It we're going to turn our country
around and where we can finally reach out to the
vast majority of Americans who agree with this and make
a lasting change.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
I agree wholeheartedly with everything you just said, and I
hope this march is wildly successful.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
For two reasons.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
One, I want to rattle the cages of parents who
might be getting complacent and let them know that nothing
has changed in the schools, and if anything, some school
districts have gotten even more shady and more certain to
hide things from parents. And if we do not pass

(17:06):
laws that supersede these school districts and school boards, we
are going to have an absolute disaster of parents being
separated from their children by the government because schools are
government run and things are only going to go downhill
from there.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
And I think it's a wonderful opportunity what I see
that's so exciting.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
I was just at the.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
State Policy Network caring about all these other things. There
are micro schools, there are homeschool co ops, there are
all kinds of revolutionary new ideas that are coming in because, honestly,
as we all know, even if you just judge our
government run schools by an academic standpoint, they are going
in the absolute wrong direction. America is no longer leading

(17:45):
the industrialized nations.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
On most of the markers.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
I mean, we're down lower and lower and lower every time.
So it's time for us to unleash his ability to
innovate in education. For people to take a hold of that,
and there is basically, in many ways, is a public
school exit.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
Now.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
I also hope public schools don't get turned around, because
that is the option for many people. But it's about
making sure that it's responsive to the stakeholders, which at
the end of the day are the academic achievement of
the students, which is really what schools are about. The
parents and the community members. And it's time for grandparents
to get involved. It's for you know, not just moms,

(18:23):
but dads and people from every walk of life.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
I see this happening, all right.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Debraah Flora, thank you for your time. You want to
play out the day?

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Oh well, okay, I'm not sure what it is. It's
really easy.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
I did make you play when you were running for office,
but now you have to play because now it's time
for the most exciting segment all the radio.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
It's time.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
I can't do it in a work to perform that of
the day.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Okay, here's how it works as a dad joke of
the day, and the only requirement is you can laugh
or grown or nothing, depending on how bad it is.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Laugh the day.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
You have to listen to me. It's a five minute
walk from my house to the bar, but a forty
five minute walk from the bar to my house.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
The difference is staggering.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Oh jeez, so that was a sympathy aff I just
know what I go.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
A right now, we have word of the day where
we guess the meaning.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Of this word.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
Okay, yeah, it's a noun and it is propinquity.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
I'm sorry what propinquity?

Speaker 5 (19:24):
No?

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Can I look it up on my phone?

Speaker 4 (19:26):
Is that op op I n q u I.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
T y Okay, So it's for some propinquity is that
you have a tendency to drink too much at a
cocktail party propinkity? Pin No, it is the level to
which your etiquette is at a tea party.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Nice, there you go.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
Yes, it is essentially a synonym of proximity, a formal
word that typically refers to nearness in place or time.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
I'll just go thank you to a trivia question.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Earth is not the only planet in our solar system
not named for an ancient Greek or Roman deity?

Speaker 1 (20:05):
In what language did the word earth originate? Earth?

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Okay, so it's not named for a Greek or Roman deity,
I'm gonna say Latin, would Latin earth?

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Let's say, oh geez, not right? What incorrect? It was
not Latin? Okay, not Latin.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
It's not Greek, no German, German where it means the ground.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Now we play Jeopardy de floor.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Oh okay, it's zero, so you know it's okay.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
We're all saud at this game.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
If you want to answer a question, you shout out Deborah, okay,
and then I'll come.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
To you and you answer in the form of a question.
I'm getting rikay.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
You don't have to wait till the end of the question.
If you know it, go ahead and ring in.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
All right? What is our category?

Speaker 5 (20:43):
Today's category is shall we dance every word as dance
in it?

Speaker 4 (20:50):
You probably take this at the start of every class.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Start of every class of every class.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
Take this at the start of every class.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
I don't know it has the word dance in it?
I got nothing.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
What is it?

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Attendance?

Speaker 5 (21:09):
Here we go, we're in good blank to that. We
don't need that good blank wriddance.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
Let's go with essentially someone out of school that you
need to go to if you ever need help with
something and has.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
The word dance.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
Someone at a school, an employee to help you with stuff.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
I don't know, Deborah, what is attendance?

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Attendance? What is a guy dance.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Counselor? But they're more than when they get you in trouble.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
It's an overflowing amount of something.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
What is an abundant? Is an abundant? Said? One to zero?

Speaker 4 (21:57):
You have one?

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yes, I have why away you're one? When you got
one wrong week of tie one, give you one.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Tie her the whole rules. Okay, this is a tie breaker.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
Yes, two things that are in agreements are also in
this with each other.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Oh, oh no, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Oh wait, no, no, don't don't say anything if she
I have.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
No idea to say the question.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
One more time you.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
Read two things that are in agreements are also in
this with each other.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Oh I know, I know. I mean she didn't say anything,
so you still you know?

Speaker 5 (22:32):
You wrong?

Speaker 4 (22:35):
According according

Speaker 3 (22:40):
I just wanted because you did worse than me, though
I'm not sure that it works

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Therapy Gecko

An unlicensed lizard psychologist travels the universe talking to strangers about absolutely nothing. TO CALL THE GECKO: follow me on https://www.twitch.tv/lyleforever to get a notification for when I am taking calls. I am usually live Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays but lately a lot of other times too. I am a gecko.

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The Joe Rogan Experience

The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.

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