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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Got a lot of stuff on our plate, but nothing
more important than talking to Aurora City Councilwoman Danielle Jorinsky. Hello,
daniellet me Andy, So big goings on over the weekend.
We actually got some i think forward progress on the
Nome Street property. If I'm correct in reading media reports
that the owners, the same owners who own all three
(00:23):
of these troubled properties in Aurora, have agreed to either
lease it or sell it. Is that accurate?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Well, yeah, it's interesting. This is the Yeah, very interesting.
I read that same article too, and what the deal
the agreement that was made, and this was made the
day before the Nome Street departments were abated. The deal
was made that the property owners will either sell the
properties or they will fix them up, get them back
up to code and release that you know, get them
(00:53):
re rented out and taken back under the control. So
that deal was made the day before the Nome Street
apartment were abated. And that is in exchange for dropping
all of the criminal chargers for.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
The Okay, so they knew they were going to be
shut down already, right, and then this was just to
keep them out of jail.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, they've been actually begging the city to do something
like this, so and that will come out in emails.
At some point, all of these emails are going to
come out. You saw that the city heavily, heavily, heavily
redacted the emails that they released to the gazette. But
those same emails exist on the side of the property owner,
(01:37):
so I think they are going to get them released,
not as redacted, so that everybody can see what's going on.
And the thing with the code enforcement violations is the
city pressed these charges against one of the property managers.
I'm not sure how you can try to put an
employee in jail for something you claim their boss is doing.
(01:59):
So I think the city very quickly realized they didn't
have grounds to stand on. The property owners had been
begging for the city to step in and gain control
of the property, and so that's when you saw the
abatement happen.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So okay, so that was all set up ahead of time.
But if are you aware of any similar agreements for
either of the other two properties that are still having
issues that we've been talking about now for two weeks.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I know the city had talked about abating those and
the city had talked about criminally nucencing those I think
there's been so much attention, you know, put on these properties.
Now that you know, I'm not sure that the city
is prepared to make any other kind of move like that,
certainly to try and blame the property owner as a
(02:44):
slum lord, you know. On the other two properties, they
are saying, oh, no, no, no, we don't have a
problem with code enforcement violations. There's not a problem with
code import and violations. So we can't go in and
shut these properties down. So is it just the Gnome
Street property, Mandy, they have the code enforce and violations
ort of it. In fact, this landlord as a slumboord
I can't figure it out.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
That is a really great question. And Danielle, this is
I don't know if you just heard not too long
ago Mayor Mike Kaufman on with Ross. Did you happen
to hear that interview?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well, I didn't, but the phone started ringing, and I
have Paul Ross and ask him what happened.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Well, I can play it for you because when I
heard it, I was sitting downstairs listening in the car.
I was in the parking lot. I'm listening in the car,
and when this exchange happened. I was like, I'm sorry,
what So let me just play this for you. This
is Ross and Mayor Mike Kaufman.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Earlier today I mentioned Danielle Jerinsky, who I really like
her a lot. And you and Danielle are both Republicans
and political allies, but have been on a somewhat different
page here. What do you to what do you ascribe
the difference between your view of the situation and Danielle's
view of the situation.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Two different goals. I mean, my goal is to bring
this situation to a conclusion as soon as possible and
pair of the city's image. I think, quite frankly, her
goal is political, and that is to continue the issue,
continue a narrative that these two complexes are gaining controlled,
and continue that narrative through the November election.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
That's a remarkable thing to hear one Republican say about another.
You don't hear that very.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Often, I suppose not.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Mike Kaufman is the mayor.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Of a and then that's it goes on from there.
So but what is your immediate reaction to that?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Well, it's interesting that the career politician himself is calling
saying that I'm being political and if he was trying
to solve this issue, he would have responded to all
of the emails that he got from the property owner's
attorneys going back a couple of months. He would have
responded to them instead of admitting publicly. In my last
public safety meeting, which was on August ninth public meeting,
(04:53):
it was recorded he admitted that he was not responding
to their emails. So in as far as the business
about these two properties still being under gained control, listen,
it's been almost two weeks, maybe two weeks since this service.
The media has been their daily, the police have been
their daily. Several of us have been there multiple times.
(05:15):
I don't know. I don't know if anybody else had
any idea how gangs work. But they're not there, They're
not in They're not in any department complexes anymore. The
sad thing is is they've moved on to other complexes
in Aurora, and I'm now getting emails from those residents.
So yes, Mayor Mike Kaufman and I agree. In the
Dallas Street apartments, I don't believe there are any Trende
(05:37):
or Rabela gang members left hanging around there.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
So let me ask you this question because this is
and I want to go on record as as Ross
went on record saying, I really like Danielle Drinsky, I
really like making Mike Kaufman, and I like Danielle Drinsky.
So it's almost like mom and dad are fighting here
a little bit for me. But I want to throw
this out because I understand Mike Coffin's point where he
says he wants to move on and stop this kind
(06:04):
of you know, scarring to the city's image. So he's
got a pr thing that he's concerned about, which honestly
I would throw out is pretty political. But I think
he has a point in that you guys have now
gotten everybody across people across the country are sending me
text message and saying how close to Aurora are you?
(06:25):
And I'm like, look, this is We're not that close,
but it's not that bad. And I kind of explained
the scale of Aurora. But I understand where he's coming from,
worried about that pr aspect. How much does that play
into what you're doing, because well, I'll let you answer.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, yeah. I mean from the beginning, I have been
very direct in saying it is apartment complex is affected.
I have never ever said that it is the entire
city under siege. There are different media outlets that spun
it into that, although I never said that. I think
that narrative is kind of created. And then I was
(07:02):
accused of fear mongering. Although I never said that it
was the entire city taken over. It is. This is
like an apartment complexes. But like I said, I worry
about the city's image. Yes, but you know when when
may Or Mike Coffman goes out there and he has
a meeting with the quote residents to see how he
(07:23):
can help them, Well, those aren't a residents. What's at
those apartments right now? Those are occupants. Those are occupants.
I've admitted to squatting, They've admitted to not paying rent.
And if that is his focus, then so be it.
But my focus to solving the issue was going in
these complexes and moving the Americans, moving the Americans holding
(07:46):
leases that were trapped living under this control, to get
them the heck out of this situation. You know, I
do believe that, you know, I think he and I
are both focused on solving the issue. I just that
we have different ideas about that. My idea and that
is going to these properties two weeks after the fact
(08:06):
and still taking pictures and showing that there's no gang
activity currently. Well, of course not again, the gang members
aren't hanging out, but we need our federal partners to
step in. We need other folks to step in, and
we need to actively and aggressively go after this gang,
identify them, all the members, and we need to round
them up.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I know that's the thing, And this is what I
was kind of where is going when I asked this question,
just from my own personal perspective. Until Aurora has some
sense of certainty when it comes to crime, you're always
going to have that Aurora black eye. And I'm not
telling you anything you probably don't already know. When I
first moved here, everybody was like, look, if you're thinking
about moving to Aurora, you've really got to pay attention
(08:46):
to where you're moving. So the reputation has been around
for a long time. But where I'm sitting with this
is if the city comes out and says you got
a new police chief, right, and I'm hopefully Mike Kaufmann
has some great things to say about Todd Chamberlain, who's
going to be the new chief starting today, if you
come out and say, look, we've got this new chief
and we are aggressively going after this problem, in my mind,
(09:09):
that is better for public relations than just saying we
just want it and if we just want to move on,
because that doesn't inspire confidence. Why not say we're bringing
in this chief, we're excited about, you know, getting our
force where it needs to be. We're excited about taking
care of these problems head on.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Why not do that well? And that's kind of what
I've said all along, maybe, and I've said over and
over that I am very optimistic about Todd Chamberlain joining us.
I'm so excited. I think he's going to bring strength
and stability in leadership. I have been very publicly critical
of almost every interrom police chief that we have had,
and it is for reasons like this. They lack all
(09:46):
of those things. I am optimistic about with Todd Chamberlain,
and I think we will see that. I think when
Todd you know, becomes our chief of today, I think
you will see that. I think he will lead from
the front. I think he will get aggressive, and I
just hope that, you know, if if he recognizes that
we don't have the resources we don't have the man
(10:06):
power because our numbers are so low right now that
he will ask for help to come in. Jared Yeah,
says he has his guys on standby UH to come in.
So if we need the help, let's ask for it.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I agree wholeheartedly, I mean one hundred percent. Daniel Drinsky
is my guest, Danielle. I'm hoping that you know for now,
maybe this situation is moving towards conclusion. Have you spoken
to anyone else that has been affected by these particular
apartment complexes before? Before I let you go.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I have a few reaching out from one of the complexes,
the Dallas. The Dallas apartments are totally right, I mean
it's totally cleared out, so so, like I said, what's
left there are squatters. Dave admitted to not paying rent,
but but there are still some affected parties in another property.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Okay, Well, I I appreciate all you do, and we'll
talk to you again if we need to about this.
But I'm glad you rang the bell. Okay, I'm glad
you sounded the alarm. I don't care what anybody else says.
I appreciate you doing it.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Medi
Got a lot of stuff on our plate, but nothing
more important than talking to Aurora City Councilwoman Danielle Jorinsky. Hello,
daniellet me Andy, So big goings on over the weekend.
We actually got some i think forward progress on the
Nome Street property. If I'm correct in reading media reports
that the owners, the same owners who own all three
(00:23):
of these troubled properties in Aurora, have agreed to either
lease it or sell it. Is that accurate?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Well, yeah, it's interesting. This is the Yeah, very interesting.
I read that same article too, and what the deal
the agreement that was made, and this was made the
day before the Nome Street departments were abated. The deal
was made that the property owners will either sell the
properties or they will fix them up, get them back
up to code and release that you know, get them
(00:53):
re rented out and taken back under the control. So
that deal was made the day before the Nome Street
apartment were abated. And that is in exchange for dropping
all of the criminal chargers for.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
The Okay, so they knew they were going to be
shut down already, right, and then this was just to
keep them out of jail.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, they've been actually begging the city to do something
like this, so and that will come out in emails.
At some point, all of these emails are going to
come out. You saw that the city heavily, heavily, heavily
redacted the emails that they released to the gazette. But
those same emails exist on the side of the property owner,
(01:37):
so I think they are going to get them released,
not as redacted, so that everybody can see what's going on.
And the thing with the code enforcement violations is the
city pressed these charges against one of the property managers.
I'm not sure how you can try to put an
employee in jail for something you claim their boss is doing.
(01:59):
So I think the city very quickly realized they didn't
have grounds to stand on. The property owners had been
begging for the city to step in and gain control
of the property, and so that's when you saw the
abatement happen.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So okay, so that was all set up ahead of time.
But if are you aware of any similar agreements for
either of the other two properties that are still having
issues that we've been talking about now for two weeks.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I know the city had talked about abating those and
the city had talked about criminally nucencing those I think
there's been so much attention, you know, put on these properties.
Now that you know, I'm not sure that the city
is prepared to make any other kind of move like that,
certainly to try and blame the property owner as a
(02:44):
slum lord, you know. On the other two properties, they
are saying, oh, no, no, no, we don't have a
problem with code enforcement violations. There's not a problem with
code import and violations. So we can't go in and
shut these properties down. So is it just the Gnome
Street property, Mandy, they have the code enforce and violations
ort of it. In fact, this landlord as a slumboord
I can't figure it out.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
That is a really great question. And Danielle, this is
I don't know if you just heard not too long
ago Mayor Mike Kaufman on with Ross. Did you happen
to hear that interview?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well, I didn't, but the phone started ringing, and I
have Paul Ross and ask him what happened.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Well, I can play it for you because when I
heard it, I was sitting downstairs listening in the car.
I was in the parking lot. I'm listening in the car,
and when this exchange happened. I was like, I'm sorry,
what So let me just play this for you. This
is Ross and Mayor Mike Kaufman.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Earlier today I mentioned Danielle Jerinsky, who I really like
her a lot. And you and Danielle are both Republicans
and political allies, but have been on a somewhat different
page here. What do you to what do you ascribe
the difference between your view of the situation and Danielle's
view of the situation.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Two different goals. I mean, my goal is to bring
this situation to a conclusion as soon as possible and
pair of the city's image. I think, quite frankly, her
goal is political, and that is to continue the issue,
continue a narrative that these two complexes are gaining controlled,
and continue that narrative through the November election.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
That's a remarkable thing to hear one Republican say about another.
You don't hear that very.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Often, I suppose not.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Mike Kaufman is the mayor.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Of a and then that's it goes on from there.
So but what is your immediate reaction to that?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Well, it's interesting that the career politician himself is calling
saying that I'm being political and if he was trying
to solve this issue, he would have responded to all
of the emails that he got from the property owner's
attorneys going back a couple of months. He would have
responded to them instead of admitting publicly. In my last
public safety meeting, which was on August ninth public meeting,
(04:53):
it was recorded he admitted that he was not responding
to their emails. So in as far as the business
about these two properties still being under gained control, listen,
it's been almost two weeks, maybe two weeks since this service.
The media has been their daily, the police have been
their daily. Several of us have been there multiple times.
(05:15):
I don't know. I don't know if anybody else had
any idea how gangs work. But they're not there, They're
not in They're not in any department complexes anymore. The
sad thing is is they've moved on to other complexes
in Aurora, and I'm now getting emails from those residents.
So yes, Mayor Mike Kaufman and I agree. In the
Dallas Street apartments, I don't believe there are any Trende
(05:37):
or Rabela gang members left hanging around there.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
So let me ask you this question because this is
and I want to go on record as as Ross
went on record saying, I really like Danielle Drinsky, I
really like making Mike Kaufman, and I like Danielle Drinsky.
So it's almost like mom and dad are fighting here
a little bit for me. But I want to throw
this out because I understand Mike Coffin's point where he
says he wants to move on and stop this kind
(06:04):
of you know, scarring to the city's image. So he's
got a pr thing that he's concerned about, which honestly
I would throw out is pretty political. But I think
he has a point in that you guys have now
gotten everybody across people across the country are sending me
text message and saying how close to Aurora are you?
(06:25):
And I'm like, look, this is We're not that close,
but it's not that bad. And I kind of explained
the scale of Aurora. But I understand where he's coming from,
worried about that pr aspect. How much does that play
into what you're doing, because well, I'll let you answer.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, yeah. I mean from the beginning, I have been
very direct in saying it is apartment complex is affected.
I have never ever said that it is the entire
city under siege. There are different media outlets that spun
it into that, although I never said that. I think
that narrative is kind of created. And then I was
(07:02):
accused of fear mongering. Although I never said that it
was the entire city taken over. It is. This is
like an apartment complexes. But like I said, I worry
about the city's image. Yes, but you know when when
may Or Mike Coffman goes out there and he has
a meeting with the quote residents to see how he
(07:23):
can help them, Well, those aren't a residents. What's at
those apartments right now? Those are occupants. Those are occupants.
I've admitted to squatting, They've admitted to not paying rent.
And if that is his focus, then so be it.
But my focus to solving the issue was going in
these complexes and moving the Americans, moving the Americans holding
(07:46):
leases that were trapped living under this control, to get
them the heck out of this situation. You know, I
do believe that, you know, I think he and I
are both focused on solving the issue. I just that
we have different ideas about that. My idea and that
is going to these properties two weeks after the fact
(08:06):
and still taking pictures and showing that there's no gang
activity currently. Well, of course not again, the gang members
aren't hanging out, but we need our federal partners to
step in. We need other folks to step in, and
we need to actively and aggressively go after this gang,
identify them, all the members, and we need to round
them up.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I know that's the thing, And this is what I
was kind of where is going when I asked this question,
just from my own personal perspective. Until Aurora has some
sense of certainty when it comes to crime, you're always
going to have that Aurora black eye. And I'm not
telling you anything you probably don't already know. When I
first moved here, everybody was like, look, if you're thinking
about moving to Aurora, you've really got to pay attention
(08:46):
to where you're moving. So the reputation has been around
for a long time. But where I'm sitting with this
is if the city comes out and says you got
a new police chief, right, and I'm hopefully Mike Kaufmann
has some great things to say about Todd Chamberlain, who's
going to be the new chief starting today, if you
come out and say, look, we've got this new chief
and we are aggressively going after this problem, in my mind,
(09:09):
that is better for public relations than just saying we
just want it and if we just want to move on,
because that doesn't inspire confidence. Why not say we're bringing
in this chief, we're excited about, you know, getting our
force where it needs to be. We're excited about taking
care of these problems head on.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Why not do that well? And that's kind of what
I've said all along, maybe, and I've said over and
over that I am very optimistic about Todd Chamberlain joining us.
I'm so excited. I think he's going to bring strength
and stability in leadership. I have been very publicly critical
of almost every interrom police chief that we have had,
and it is for reasons like this. They lack all
(09:46):
of those things. I am optimistic about with Todd Chamberlain,
and I think we will see that. I think when
Todd you know, becomes our chief of today, I think
you will see that. I think he will lead from
the front. I think he will get aggressive, and I
just hope that, you know, if if he recognizes that
we don't have the resources we don't have the man
(10:06):
power because our numbers are so low right now that
he will ask for help to come in. Jared Yeah,
says he has his guys on standby UH to come in.
So if we need the help, let's ask for it.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I agree wholeheartedly, I mean one hundred percent. Daniel Drinsky
is my guest, Danielle. I'm hoping that you know for now,
maybe this situation is moving towards conclusion. Have you spoken
to anyone else that has been affected by these particular
apartment complexes before? Before I let you go.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I have a few reaching out from one of the complexes,
the Dallas. The Dallas apartments are totally right, I mean
it's totally cleared out, so so, like I said, what's
left there are squatters. Dave admitted to not paying rent,
but but there are still some affected parties in another property.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Okay, Well, I I appreciate all you do, and we'll
talk to you again if we need to about this.
But I'm glad you rang the bell. Okay, I'm glad
you sounded the alarm. I don't care what anybody else says.
I appreciate you doing it.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
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