09-09-24 FULL SHOW - The Slumlords Give Up Control, and Politics in Relationships

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 4 (00:26):
Welcome, Uncaele, Welcome to a Monday edition of the show.
I'm your host for the next three hours. Mandy Connell
joined by right now Michael Coover who show morph into
Grant Smith. They are covering for Anthony Rodriguez, who will
be back tomorrow. Oh my goodness, some stuff just happened
on the Roskaminsky Show that we're going to be able

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to address in just a few minutes on my show
and give you an idea of what's coming up. Then
let me tell you about the blog. You can find
it by going to mandy'sblog dot com. That's mandy'sblog dot com.
Look for the headline by nine four blog the Slumlords
give Up Control and politics in Relationships. Click on that

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and here are the headlines you will find within an.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
Evening with some miss in office, half American, all with
ships and climents of seen that's gone to press.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Plach today on the blog Danielle Darinski at twelve thirty Today.
How to not let politics get in the way of
what's important. The slumlord owners of the Nome Street departments
cut a deal. Why is Aurora hiding the details of
that deal? Jason Crow doesn't think things are that bad
at Aurora. The experiment on homelessness is playing out in

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real time. It's time to buy a generator for real.
A Boulder City council woman is attacked. Rank choice voting
examined the sometime nightmare of family reunification. Aurora moves towards
not shutting down the reservoir. John Caldera calls out the
Colorado Press Association for an idiotic move. It's like they
can't even predict the weather so far out you need

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human contact for health. My robot Assistan is coming along nicely.
What a great president looks like? When talking about the
other team, Aurora gets some nice press. How to get
rich in ten Steps. Chefs are coming out against the
slaughterhouse man. So is social media bad for kids or not?
Queers for Palestine gets a reality check? Why don't we

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want a gen x president? Those are the headlines on
the blog at Mandy's blog dot com. And you guys,
if you are a fellow gen xer and I am
a gen xer. You're a gen xer too, aren't you coove?
Which generation are you? Older? Millennial? I'm fifty four. Oh yeah,
you're total gen X. You're so gen x you don't
even know what generation you're in. You never bother to

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find out, because that's how we roll. Well, there's a
woman Kelly, Kelly, I can't remember her last name. She
does really funny videos and this one made me burst
out laughing several times today. But I'm just letting you
know there is inappropriate language in this video. So if
you're sitting at the office and an F bomb comes

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flying out of your computer because you're sitting there laughing,
it's not my fault. But it was so funny I
had to share it with you guys, and I put
another language. It says again twice, it says in the thing,
But oh my gosh, so funny. Today, at twelve thirty,
we are going to have Aurora City councilwoman and Daniel
Drinsky on. She was supposed to be on Friday, but

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she was doing Fox News and YadA, YadA, YadA, and
so here we are. Well over the weekend. There were
some developments in this Aurora story, and it's you know,
we talked last week. I've now just started. It's comical
to me the way this thing has been, the coverage
of this has been so politicized. It's just it's nuts.
And just a few minutes ago, if you don't listen

(03:45):
to Rossa's show, first of all, I mean, come on,
why but he had Mayor Mike Kaufman of Aurora on,
and you know, I said just now at the end
of Ross's show, I'm a fan of Mayor Mike Kaufman.
I like what this city council and the mayor are
trying to do for Aurora. I think that everybody on
that city council, even the ones that I disagree with politically,

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this is a group of people. They really care about
Aurora and making it a great place to live. I
don't doubt that about a single one of them. And
so they're you know, even the ones who are on
the other side of the aisle politically. Ostensibly, we should
all have this goal. So you would think that we
would want to have a really firm answer about what

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is going on, what has gone on, a clear idea
of what it means when a law firm takes pictures
of a property manager being beaten by gang members in
a hallway, I mean, we need to know what that means, right,
I mean I would think there in my mind, we
would want to have some kind of comprehensive narrative that

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laid it out, all of it, from the code violations
that have been going on for over a year at
some of these places, to everything. Every aspect of this
should be analyzed from every possible angle to ensure it
doesn't happen again. And yet Mayor Mike Coffin, who I
am a fan of, just came on Ross's show, and

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I've interviewed the mayor and he's a good interview in
the sense that he always gives you good information. But
he's not a sidewinder, right, He's not gonna go on
and on. He's very succinct with his answers, and today
he just sounded like he was trying to make sure
he said the exact right words. And whenever anyone is

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trying to parse words that carefully, there's some strategy behind that.
And until I know what the strategy is, I find
it it's eyebrow raising. And generally speaking, is because you're
not trying to upset a certain group of people, or

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you're trying not to say too much because there are
things happening in the background that you are not going
to reveal. Now that could be because you can't reveal them, right,
I mean, there's all kinds of things that could be
happened in the background that because it's an investigation or anything.
But then some of it is just, you know, how
does this work in my own political self interest? And

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at the end of the interview, Ross pointed out that
he had been at odds with Danielle Drinsky and I'm
not saying he took a shot, but it was a shot.
And so Danielle's coming up at twelve thirty and we'll
ask her how she feels about that. I honestly believe
that both of these people, Daniel Drensky and Mike Kaufman,
both want what's best for Aurora. It just seems to

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me that we're looking at this situation as one is
demanding full transparency and the others saying we've got it
taken care of, you can move on. And I never
trust that. I just don't. I am becoming as I
get older, and I think that if you consume politics
at a very high level for a long period of

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time over your life, you know that everyone in power
is lying to you about something.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
You know it.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
There are no angels in politics, and you know, especially now,
and I know that I've been paying attention to politics
for a long time, but not as long as some
of you. But right now, it just feels like it's
more vile and nasty than it's ever been. And I
don't think that's Donald Trump's fault. I think there's a

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lot of things that issue here. I think it's just
the basic downfall of civilization. You know, no big whoop,
but ultimately we have to figure out how to do
things so we don't end up making the same mistakes twice.
And you can't do that when you make government more opaque.
You can't do that. When you tell people nothing to

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see here, please move along, you can't do that. The
only thing that would make me trust government again is
so much transparency that I get sick of the transparency
that I don't want any more of the transparency. I
no longer want to see how the sausage is made.
And yet I have a story on the blog today
that the Denver Gazette filed an open records request for

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any kind of documentation of conversations between the attorney for
the slum lords and the city attorney for Aurora, and
they sent them documents that were almost entirely redacted, meaning
everything was blacked out. Okay, So now what this is
going to entail is now the Denver Gazette is going
to have to get the money to go ahead and

(08:31):
sue the City of Aurora to get this stuff unredacted
because the reason they gave they applied it overly broadly,
and I think that's an accurate argument. And then there's
going to be a lawsuit and then the judge will
unseal it. But by then everybody will have moved on.
And isn't that what we're trying to do here? Just
move this story along. We're tired of it, and I

(08:55):
get it. I mean, the mayor's role is to paint
Aurora in a positive Lilay, I'm sure he would much
rather talk about the fact that Aurora, Colorado was just
featured in Food and Wine magazine for its diversity of restaurants,
which was phenomenal. I'm sure he'd rather talk about that.
But until you let people know that you're doing something

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significant about this crime, and not just platitudes of we're
aware of it and we're doing that. I mean, you
gotta let people know we're not going to allow this
to come in fester in our community or it will.
So this whole thing just super weird, super super weird.
This is a great point from a texture on the

(09:39):
common spirit health techt line. He's trying not to offend
half of his base, those who immediately jump to conspiracy theories.
He needs their votes too. I think it's the exact opposite.
I think he's well aware that Aurora is full of
voting Democrats. And don't get me wrong, I don't think
Mike Kaufman is some kind of sleezball saying things he
doesn't believe in order to get re elected. He doesn't

(10:02):
strike me as that kind of man at all. And
ow god, I've known enough of those wow. But I
do think that he is aware that his demographic in
Aurora is probably Lean's Democrat. And if Aurora is going
to continue moving in the direction that it's moving, where
they're trying to do something significant about homelessness and they're

(10:22):
trying to clean up the encampments in the streets so
people have a nicer place to live. If they're doing
all of these things, they need to keep the conservative
majority if they want to continue doing it. I did
hear Mike Kaufman talking about the new police chief. He
was very hopeful in flattering. This guy comes out of
Los Angeles, very long career in policing, and he left

(10:45):
the school district there where he was in the police
force of the school district. When they started talking about
defund the police he quit rather than just accept the
cuts to the department that he was working at. I mean,
I'm hoping that bring this guy in is going to
create some kind of forward momentum where we can be
done with the anti cops sentiment in Aurora and elsewhere.

(11:09):
I do think the pendulum is swinging on that quite significantly.
People tend to get a lot more friendly to the
cops when they themselves are someone they know is the
victim of a crime, even if it's just having your
car broken into or your car stolen, which was so
rampant here in Denver for like a year. But I
don't know, it's interesting. The whole thing has just been

(11:30):
really fascinating to watch and knowing that you have all
of these people living in apartments that are disgusting, that's
deeply offensive to me. I just can't imagine allowing people
to live in the squalor and then being able to
sleep at night. Well, by the way, you guys, the

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rental on our condo in the Tech Center, which by
the way, is about to be for rent again, is
fifteen hundred and fifty bucks, and it's too one bath,
And they're charging that much money for these slums. And
I can assure you it's there's no slums where we're ours.
Is we're really looking for seven month least, just quick advertisement.
But when I saw that rents in these places were

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fifteen hundred bucks, like, are you kidding me?

Speaker 5 (12:15):
Right now?

Speaker 4 (12:17):
So I'm glad the slum lords, by the way, you
have accepted a deal. According to the Denver Gazette and
other outlets, the owners of the Noble Street building, which
has already been shut down, have agreed to either lease
the building to a different manager or sell the building
to get out of the stack of criminal charges based

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on the code violations that have been happening for a
very long time. But who a was going to want
to buy this joint. It's going to be all boarded up.
So now it's another blighted property in Aurora. Nothing's so
success more than blighted properties. And you know who's going
to want to buy that. I would hope if there's

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going to sell it at what used to be market price,
they're not going to be able to do that. So
I hope they lose their shorts on this. I hope
somebody buys it for a steal and actually invests in it,
puts it, makes it decent and nice and or nice enough,
and charges rent and calls it a day. Mandy, Why
aren't the Colorado State Police releasing the name or race

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of the shooter on thirty six this weekend? Their speculation
this was done by the Venezuelan gang, do they?

Speaker 5 (13:27):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
I saw that that was I didn't even see that
they had caught somebody. I don't know, Mandy. I live
in Aurora for twenty four years. Having this negative story
in the national conversation is unfortunate. However, if it results
in a positive outcome on the illegal immigration and bad
democratic policies, it may be worth it. I like both

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Danielle and Mike Kaufman. They both care a lot for Aurora.
The media's job is to root out this story, including
Mike Johnston's role. Exactly Mandy regarding the reporting on Aurora
using a bad blackjack analogy add me to Ross's bad
analogy Club. Kyle Clark and nine News where delta pair
of fives and double down they have since split those

(14:12):
pairs of fives. I am waiting for them to continue
to be dealt fives where they would keep doubling and splitting.
Everybody knows you never split a pair of fives. Point is,
I did not know that about gambling. Do you know
how to play blackjack?

Speaker 6 (14:26):
Coover?

Speaker 4 (14:27):
Did you know that you never split a pair of fives? No,
I did not know that. I don't know what splitting
cards is. So I'm just completely lost on This is terrible,
the worst analogy ever. Let me finish the point though.
Point is Kyle Clark and nine News they're taking a
massive gamble with his Aurora story in the court of
public opinion. However, they will get away way with it

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from TEGNA and our local state politicians. The thing about
nine News is is that they have a massive viewership.
They're the number one news station in the area. And
a lot of that has to do with Kyle Clark
spoon feeding liberal ideas to his progressive audience in a
way that they just find comforting and warm. And every
once in a while Kyle will do a critical story

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on Democrats just so everybody who watches goes, oh my god,
he's so fair. So the people that watch nine news
are not probably seeing this story at all. They're not
even going to follow it. So no, there will be
no price to pay, and you know the truth whatever,
it's fine, that's fine. I mean, I would want to

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make sure. This is why I'm continue what you talk about.
I just want to know the truth. I just want
to know what's going on here. I want to get
these people help so they don't have to live in
a slum. That's really all I want. That's pretty much it, Mandy.
How much longer until the boarded up hotel goes up

(15:50):
in flames? That's an apartment complex. Please don't say that
will be awful, although if I'm the owner of this complex,
that looks very appealing if it does go up, and
expect an investigation, Mandy, I'm having trouble understanding why the
Republican mayor has a problem with a Republican lady using
this as a political tool. Why would he have an
issue with that? If he really believes that it's a

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political move, why wouldn't he get on board with it.
That's a great question one I can't answer. Great question.
The real, honest to goodness truth is that everything done
by a politician is in some way political by default.
Maybe it's not overtly and nakedly political, but because you

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are a politician, any kindness you bestow, any problem, you solve,
any alarm bell that you ring, is inherently political. It's
just the nature of the beast. Now I would have preferred,
and I'll play the sound bite for Daniel Jerinsky that
the mayor Ross asked him a question about his being

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at odds with Danielle Dreensky. So you can split pairs
to make two bets in blackjacks, so you can lose
twice as much money faster. Is that what I'm taking
this to mean. So you can put money on equal
on both of them. Yeah, anyway, Mandy. One reason Kaufman

(17:18):
keeps getting reelected is that he networks with a community
and has lunch at very many small businesses and seems
to be friendly with the immigrant community too. This isn't
a bad thing, though, and I think Republicans should take
notes from him, as he does seem to care and
actually gets involved in the community. I've talked about his
Facebook page prior, many many times he puts these small
businesses on his Facebook page and talks to the owners.

(17:40):
I mean, I think Mike Kaufman is a great mayor,
a really fantastic mayor. I want to be clear about that.
I'm just a little bit confused about a few things
that are happening right now, how about that. But I
still think you're absolutely right. I wish he would proudly
wear the Republican moniker though, as he does these things,

(18:02):
because that would be incredibly helpful in a much bigger way.
Got a lot of stuff on our plate, but nothing
more important than talking to Aurora City Councilwoman Danielle Dreinsky. Hello, Danielle.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
Hid Andy.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
So big goings on over the weekend. We actually got
some I think forward progress on the Nome Street property.
If I'm correct in reading media reports that the owners,
the same owners who own all three of these troubled
properties in Aurora, have agreed to either lease it or
sell it. Is that accurate?

Speaker 7 (18:39):
Well, yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
This is yeah, very interesting. I read that same article
two and what the deal the agreement that was made,
and this was made the day before the Nome Street
departments were abated.

Speaker 7 (18:52):
The deal was made that the property owners will either.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
Sell the properties or they will fix them up, get
them back up to code, and that you know, get
them re rented out and taken back under the control.
So so that deal have made the day before the
Gnome Street departments were made, and that is in exchange
for dropping all of the criminal.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Chargers for the okay, so they knew they were going
to be shut down already, right, and and then this
was just to keep them out of jail.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
Yeah, they've been actually begging the city to do something
like this. So and that will come out in emails
at some point. All of these emails are going to
come out. You saw that the city heavily, heavily, heavily
redacted the emails that they released to the gazette.

Speaker 7 (19:40):
But those same emails exist on the side of the
property owner. So I think they are going.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
To get them released not as redacted, so that everybody
can see what's going on. And the thing with the
code enforcement violations.

Speaker 8 (19:54):
Is the city.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
The city pressed these charges against one the property manager.
I'm not sure how you can try to put an
employee in jail for.

Speaker 7 (20:04):
Something you claim their boss is doing. So I think
the city very quickly realized they didn't have grounds to
stand on. The property owners had been begging for the
city to step in and gain.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
Control of the property, and so that's when you saw
the abatement happened.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
So okay, so that was all set up ahead of time.
But if are you aware of any similar agreements for
either of the other two properties that are still having
issues that we've been talking about now for two weeks.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
I know the city had talked about abating moose, and
the city had talked about.

Speaker 7 (20:35):
Criminally nucencing those I think there's been so much attention,
you know, put on these properties now that you know,
I'm not sure that the city is prepared to make
any other kind of move like that, certainly to try
and blame the property owner as a slum lord. You know,
on the other two properties are saying oh, no, no, no,

(20:56):
we don't have a problem with code enforcement violations.

Speaker 5 (20:58):
We there's not a problem with code force and violations,
so we can't go in and shut these properties down.
So is it just the Nome Street property maybe they
have the code enforce and violations or of an in fact,
this landlorders a sumbler. I can't figure it out.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
That is a really great question. And Danielle, this is
I don't know if you just heard not too long
ago Mayor Mike Coffin on with Ross. Did you happen
to hear that interview?

Speaker 5 (21:24):
Well, I didn't. Put the phone started ringing, and I
have Caul Ross and ask him what happened.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
Well, I can play it for you because when I
heard it, I was sitting downstairs listening in the car.
I was in the parking lot. I'm listening in the car,
and when this exchange happened, I was like, I'm sorry,
what So let me just play this for you. This
is Ross and Mayor Mike Coffin.

Speaker 6 (21:42):
Earlier today I mentioned Danielle Jerinski, who I really like
her a lot. And you and Danielle are both Republicans
and political allies, but have been on a somewhat.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Different page here.

Speaker 6 (21:53):
What do you to what do you ascribe the difference
between your view of the situation and Dan Yell's view
of the situation.

Speaker 9 (22:01):
Two different goals. I mean, my goal is to bring
this situation to a conclusion as soon as possible and
repair the city's image. I think, quite frankly, her goal
is political, and that is to continue the issue, continue
a narrative that these two complexes are gain controlled, and

(22:21):
continue that narrative through the November election.

Speaker 6 (22:24):
That's a remarkable thing to hear one Republican say about another.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
You don't hear that very often, I suppose not.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Mike Kaufman is the mayor of a war and then
that's it goes on from there. So but what is
your immediate reaction to that?

Speaker 5 (22:41):
Well, it's interesting that the career politician himself is calling
saying that I'm being political, And if he was trying
to solve this issue, he would have responded to all
of the emails that he got from the property owners
attorneys going back a couple of months, he would have
responded to them instead of admitting publicly. In my last
public safety meeting, which was on August ninth, public meeting

(23:02):
was recorded, he admitted that he was not responding to
their emails. So in as far as this business about
these two properties still being under gained compult. Listen, it's
been almost two weeks, maybe two weeks since this surface.
The media has been their daily, the police have been
their daily. Several of us have been there multiple times.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
I don't know if anybody else had any idea how
gangs work. But they're not there, They're not in They're
not in any department complexes anymore. The stamping is is
they've moved on to other complexes in Aurora, and I'm
now getting emails from those residents. So yes, Mayor Mike
Kaufman and I agree. In the Dallas Street apartments, I
don't believe there are any trendy or reblic gang members

(23:47):
left hanging around there.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
So let me ask you this question because this is
and I want to go on record as as Ross
went on record saying I really like Danielle Driinski, I
really like making Mike Kaufman, and I like daniel Drinsky.
So it's almost like mom and dad are fighting here
a little bit for me, But I want to throw
this out because I understand Mike Kaufman's point where he
says he wants to move on and stop this kind

(24:12):
of you know, scarring to the city's image. So he's
got a pr thing that he's concerned about, which honestly,
I would throw out is pretty political. But I think
he has a point in that, you guys have now
gotten everybody across people across the country are sending me
text message and saying how close to Aurora are you?

(24:33):
And I'm like, look, this is We're not that close,
but it's not that bad. And I kind of explain
the scale of Aurora. But I understand where he's coming from,
worried about that pr aspect. How much does that play
into what you're doing, because well, I'll let you answer.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
Yeah, yeah, I mean from the beginning, I have been
very direct in saying it is apartment complex is affected.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
I have never ever.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
Said that it is the higher city under siege. There
are different media outlets that spun it into that, although
I never said that. I think that narrative was kind
of created, and then I was accused of fear mongering.
Although I never said that it was the entire city
taken over. It is this is an apartment complexes. But

(25:21):
like I said, I worry about the city's image. Yes,
but you know, when when they or Mike Coffman goes
out there and he has a meeting with the quote
residents to see how he.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
Can help them.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
Well, those aren't the residents. What's we're at those apartments
right now, those are occupants. Those are occupants that have
admitted to squatting, They've admitted to not paying rent. And
if that is his focus, then then so be it.
But my focus to solving the issue was going in
these complexes and moving the Americans, moving the Americans holding

(25:54):
leases that were trapped living under this control, to get
them the heck out of this situation. You know, I
do believe that.

Speaker 7 (26:04):
You know, I think he and I are both focused
on solving the issue. I just think that we have
different ideas about that. My idea on that is going
to these properties two weeks after the fact and still
taking pictures and showing that there's no gang activity currently.

Speaker 5 (26:18):
Well, of course not. Again, the gang members aren't hanging out,
but we need our federal partners to step in, We
need other folks to step in, and we need to
actively and aggressively go after this gang, identify them all
the members, and we need to round them up.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
I you know, that's the thing. And this is when
I was kind of where is going when I asked
this question, just from my own personal perspective. Until Aurora
has some sense of certainty when it comes to crime,
you're always going to have that Aurora black eye. And
I'm not telling you anything you probably don't already know.
When I first moved here, everybody was like, look, if
you're thinking about moving to Aurora, you've really got to

(26:54):
pay attention to where you're moving. So the reputation has
been around for a long time. But where I'm sitting
with this is if the city comes out and says,
you got a new police chief, right, and I'm hopefully
Mike Kaufmann has some great things to say about Todd Chamberlain,
who's going to be the new chief starting today. If
you come out and say, look, we've got this new
chief and we are aggressively going after this problem, in

(27:16):
my mind, that is better for public relations than just
saying we just want it and if we just want
to move on, because that doesn't inspire confidence, why not
say we're bringing in this chief. We're excited about, you know,
getting our force where it needs to be. We're excited
about taking care of these problems head on, Why not
do that well?

Speaker 5 (27:35):
And that's kind of what I've said all along many
and I've said over and over that I am very
optimistic at our top Chamberlain joining us. I'm so excited.
I think you're going to bring strength and stability in leadership.
I have been very publicly critical of almost every interrom
the police chief that we have had, and it is
for reasons like this. They lack all of those things.

(27:55):
I am optimistic about with Todd Chamberlain, and I think
we will see that. I think you know becomes our
chief today, I think you will see that. I think
he will lead from the front. I think he will
get aggressive, and I just hope that, you know, if, if,
if he recognizes that we don't have the resources, we
don't have the manpower, because our numbers are so low

(28:16):
right now, that he will ask for help to come in.
Jared says, he has his guys on standby UH to
come in, so if I need to help, let's ask
for it.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
I agree wholeheartedly, I mean one hundred percent. Daniel Drinsky
is my guest, Danielle. I'm hoping that you know, for now,
maybe this situation is moving towards conclusion. Have you spoken
to anyone else that has been affected by these particular
apartment complexes before before I let you go.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
I have a few reaching out from one of the complexes,
the Dallas. The Dallas apartments are totally right, I mean
it's totally cleared out, so so, like I said, what's
left there are squatters Dave admitted to not rent, but
there are still some affected parties in another property.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Okay, Well, I appreciate all you do, and we'll talk
to you again if we need to about this. But
I'm I'm glad you rang the bell. Okay, I'm glad
you sounded the alarm. I don't care what anybody else says.
I appreciate you doing it.

Speaker 5 (29:19):
Thanks so much, Madie.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
All right, thanks, daniel Jorinsky a or a city council member.
We'll be right back. I have a couple of dudes
who say things like, yeah, she's clearly trying to be
like Marjorie Taylor Green. I don't think that at all.
And here's why. Because the stuff Danielle says is the

(29:42):
stuff that she's actually rooted out. And now, by the way,
has been proven that she was right on so much
of this stuff, and the fact that it's now being
exaggerated to she wants to carry this out to the
election is a little bit ridiculous. I don't understand in.

Speaker 8 (29:59):
A state.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
Where Republicans are hopelessly outnumbered, why a Republican would feel
the need to take a shot like may Or Mike
Coffin took today. It's just another example of how dysfunctional
the Republican Party is. And you know, I realized that
we are about to become the first major unaffiliated state,
but we also know the unaffiliated vote left wing in

(30:24):
this state. But I don't think there's anything about that. Mandy.
We went to go see the Reagan movie this weekend.
I think any adult under forty and voting age to
see this movie, just for the fact that politics has
changed so much since I was in middle school during
Reagan's presidency. So I know that all of my friends
that went to see Reagan are conservative, but oh my gosh,

(30:45):
they were all over Facebook. They were like, I cried,
it was so good to remember a time when people
could talk about politics with their opponents and laugh about it,
and you know, it wasn't so nasty, right, And that
takes me to today's block, did you I want to
share a little bit I got this. Uh coover, let

(31:06):
me share this little bit. This of course President Ronald
Reagan talking about Democrats. Did you hear the story.

Speaker 10 (31:24):
About the kid who was outside the Democratic fend Brousser
fundraiser selling kittens. When the people came out from the fundraiser,
he was holding up the kittens and he was saying,
buy a Democrat kitten. Well, a couple of weeks later,
the Republicans held a fundraiser in the same place, and

(31:47):
when they came out, there was the same kid with
the kittens, and he said, by a Republican kitten. And
one of the members of the president seen him there
two weeks before. He said, wait a minute, kid, you
were selling these kittens the last time as Democrat kittens.
How come to republic and kittens now? Kid says, because
now they got their eyes open?

Speaker 4 (32:07):
My friends, is how you talk about the other team? Yep,
yep er. When we get back speaking of that, we're
on a little bit of theme right now. Our next
guest is a family therapist who has co authored a
new book, well rather an update of an old book,
and we're going to talk about how to protect your

(32:30):
relationships in a time of polarization when it comes to politics.
We're going to do that. Next.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
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Speaker 4 (33:06):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the second hour of the show.
I'm your host for the next two hours, Mandy Connell.
We have now swapped out Couver for Grant Smith, but
he'll continue doing Yeoman's work over there as he always does.
Now in this segment, we're going to do something completely different,
and I'm happy to have joining us doctor Scott Stanley.
He's a research professor at the University of Denver. He's

(33:28):
been studying relationships since the nineteen eighties, so I'm excited
to pick his brain at a time when it feels
like interpersonal relationships are honestly at an all time low.
I have this conversation with my fifteen year old daughter
all the time. I have said to her more than
one occasion, your generation is getting screwed, because my generation

(33:50):
hung out together and we had fun together, and we
did things that happy, healthy humans needed to do and
then throw in politics and it's just this stew of
and nonsense. And so doctor Stanley with some of his colleagues,
has updated a book that has been now out for
four editions called Fighting for Your Marriage, specifically based on

(34:11):
some of those issues we're facing today, Doctor Stanley, Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Great to be on your show, Manny.

Speaker 11 (34:18):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Well, I'm happy to have you because we talk about
this quite a bit on the program, about the kind
of polarization and ostracization that happens even within families because
of politics. And this, to me is the is the
worst kind of estrangement. So when you talk to people
or study people that are that are in this situation,

(34:42):
do you have any common threads that you start to
hear about how these situations end up with alienation and
estrangement rather than just disagreement.

Speaker 11 (34:54):
I think there's a number of common threads and one
that's often maybe not directly expressed, but that's in the air.
We breathe Q did a really nice survey in twenty
twenty two and they showed a huge shift since just
twenty sixteen and people moving towards seeing people that vote

(35:15):
differently than them as immoral. So it's not just ideas
to be defeated or things to hash out politically, but
there's something defective with you. You're immoral. And I think
what we're seeing now, and I think everybody knows instances
of it, whether hopefully it's not happening in our own
family and their own marriage and relationship, but I think

(35:36):
we're seeing that come home for a lot of people,
where they really see you as like you're an enemy,
you're not my evil house, you're not my mate, and
they let that bring everything else down.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
And that's another thing that I think is incredibly important,
is the dehumanization or the otherization of people who disagree
with you. And I got to go to the Democratic
National Convention and to cover it, which was great from
that perspective, but from a personal perspective, it was very
It was nice to be reminded that the people that

(36:09):
were at that convention were just like the people that
were at the Republican National Convention. They just held different
viewpoints when it came to politics, but they all love
the country, right, they all love this country. We're just
arguing about what it is is best for this country
and they're not evil, and they don't have horns or tails.
They're just nice people.

Speaker 11 (36:32):
And people have also so again, people dehumanize others, they
see people as im moral, but when they actually learn,
it helps people to learn because you can learn this
if you interact with other people, that people don't actually
see you as negatively as you think they do just
because you vote differently, that it's really different. I'm reminded

(36:54):
of the video that's one of my favorite little videos
on YouTube, and this can go a different way, but
you see two dogs like behind a sliding glass door
yelling screen going I'm going to tear you apart. You
can just imagine the conversation and they're barking, and then
somebody opens the slider mi door.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
And they're like they're just.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Still each other and they're like, oh, hey, hey, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
You're okay.

Speaker 11 (37:15):
And I think one of the things that and you
talk about this kind of thing pretty often, one of
the things that's part of this environment that's really hurting
families and couples now is that as individuals in couples,
people are not in community anymore. They're not out in
the community, they're at home, they're insulated they're just inhaling

(37:36):
their their media diet that's really tailored to their preferences,
and they're not knowing people that think and believe differently
and able them to find out, well, you're not actually inhuman,
you're not evil. I might think some of your policies
are pretty bad, and you might think some that I
would like a pretty bad but you're an okay person.

(37:57):
That actually happens. But we have lost a lot of
common public space where people would be you know, church
bowling leagues. You know, Robert Putnam's book Bowling Alone just
really nails this. Pta meetings, people are just not out
around others that are different from them as much as

(38:18):
they used to be, and that allowed people to realize,
you know, people are okay. A lot of other people
are okay, even if they don't believe the same way
I believe.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
I just had a conversation with a friend who said
she was with a bunch of like, she has young children.
So there's a large group of moms that kind of
gather at playgrounds or whatever, and they've been doing this
for two years before anyone brought up politics, and they
were pretty evenly split down the middle of people on
the left and people on the right, And she said
there was this moment of shock where they all realized

(38:50):
how well they all got along and liked each other,
and they had never talked about politics, and they made
they just made a pact and said, Okay, we'll never
bring this up again, and we want to protect what
we have. Is how do you do that if you've
decided and you know, like I have family members that
are very left of where I am, do you just
have to say, you know what, don't ask, don't tell,

(39:10):
We're not going to have these conversations, or how do
you begin to move forward to secure the relationships.

Speaker 11 (39:17):
I think I think of that as the last step
in the things that I recommend, and that is one
like if you as let's just take a couple for example,
but this works just as well as a family. If
you can't do it, you have different views and whenever
it comes up, it puts you in a bad place,
It drives you apart, it gets snarky, just like your

(39:38):
two talking heads on TV, you know, just going at it.
If you can't find the other ways to do this
and to handle it well, then find good ways to
stop it. But beyond that, I really encourage people to
look for ways to respect their partner, to show that
they can hear and they understand what they've There are

(40:01):
some couples, I do think this is kind of rare,
and I don't think we have an estimate on the number.
There are some couples with political differences where the partners
actually can get intimacy out of it. I mean, they
enjoy talking about it. It's like two people talking about
their sports teams, and they don't turn it into that
inhumane stuff and really dissing each other.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
And I think the way that.

Speaker 11 (40:26):
That must happen is that couple not only can they
i mean talk without fighting, and that's something we focus
on in a lot in our books, ways to talk
without fighting, but they're probably also able to keep the
positive connection in the relationship alive by it. You know,
they do things they've ever done that are fun and
relaxing for the two of them, and they keep that connection.

(40:49):
And I'll bet if they do have some you know,
conflict there that gets a little upsetting, I'll bet they're
pretty good at keeping that topic out of the most
relaxing times that they have, Like we're just taking a
walk and we do disagree about some policy, well, that's
not the time to bring it up. That's not the
time to chat about it. You just have certain times

(41:11):
in your relationship that are set apart from this stuff
that doesn't go well for the two of you, and
that takes what I call deciding rather than sliding, because
we slide into bad places and patterns all the time,
and you two might have to make a decision about
we're not going to do that. Let's not let this
political season wreck all this other great stuff that we

(41:32):
have together.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
So let me ask you a question about family specifically,
because this has been something that I have experienced, not
within my family, but within my friend group. There's always
that person that can't not talk about politics. This is
their entire identity, this is everything they do, consume, can't

(41:53):
paying attention to. They don't have anything else in their
lives except politics. How do you manage the relationship Because
if it's somebody that's important to you and you I
mean I in my experience, people like that burnout of
politics and at some point they tend to move on
to something else that they're also passionate about. So how

(42:13):
do you hang in there until they're through that? All
consuming period.

Speaker 11 (42:20):
I think some of the difficulty there is one has
to make a decision how much of this can I
tolerate right now? If this is a person I don't
see very often, and I can sort of hang in
the conversation without it damaging things or damaging the whole
thing for everybody else, that's one strategy, you know. Or
you can look for the edges where there might be

(42:41):
some agreement, or you can do a soft version of
sort of engaging in the discussion but giving some viewpoint
on the other side. I think what's harder to do
for most people, but you can do it, is you
can kind of bring up a sort of time out.
We encourage couples to have ways to take timeouts all
the time when they're getting sideways, you know, to just

(43:03):
not let it be so damaging. And I think, well,
this kind of person you can say, you know, today,
I just you know, I want to try just talking
about other things today. Can we just like put that
on hold till we meet another time. You know, we're
all gathered here for this birthday party, it's Thanksgiving or
whatever it is. Sometimes you can without having to like

(43:25):
say time out and having to have agreed on the
idea how you take a time out. You can sort
of push for a time out. Let's sort of put
that over to the side. I get that it's really
important for you, and I think if you're that takes
some assertiveness. But I think sometimes for the good of
the family and the good of a party and the
good of a thing that's going on, somebody has to
sort of step up and say, let's try not to

(43:47):
go there today.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
You you are big on things like watching your media diet.
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 11 (43:56):
Well, I think you know, you get to this time
here and this actually gets little challenging for us, all right,
I mean, what does the media want to talk about
all the time? But this presidential election and how much
is at stake and all this kind of stuff. But
people do know this, there's a ton of other sorts
of media. If we're going to consume a lot of meat,

(44:17):
I mean, we can stream stuff, we can watch movies,
we can watch shows. I was watching YouTube's on like
the best tools to buy or or the best you know,
age to measure you're tired of. You know, there's a
lot of other things we can distract ourselves with, and
we can be interested in in the media that don't

(44:37):
cause more conflict with our family and that don't rile
us up, And that might be the thing for some
people to recognize, does this stuff just rile me up?
And then do I spill over onto everybody in the home.
When that's the case, that's the time to like cut back.
It's kind of cut those calories back a bit in
your media diet and tone yourself down and help whole

(45:00):
family kind of calm down a bit.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
I could not agree more. And I come from an
area of the country where every place you walk into
has the news on twenty four to seven, every waiting room,
every everything, and it's like, golly, can we just put
it on HGTV for just a minute and just have
a little bit of a break. So when you're talking
to people who are dealing with a stressful situation, because

(45:26):
maybe they're both involved and they feel deeply and really deeply,
and I've gotten some text messages to this effect, but
they're rather rudely worded, so I'm just going to reword
them for you. And there are things like when we're
talking about the murdering of children, or we're talking about
saving the country or I mean and you hear it

(45:46):
put in those kinds of ways, and these are really
big issues. How do you come to terms with if
you feel passionately on one side of an issue and
you're trying to deal with someone who feels just as
passionately on some of these really big issues.

Speaker 11 (46:03):
Well, I think when it's somebody you either care a
lot about or you have to have a relationship with,
you actually have to make a decision that first off,
maybe do a step into reality a little bit to
ask yourself, they feel as strongly as I do about

(46:23):
the other side of this, do I really think in
this moment I'm going to convert them to my viewpoint?
Like what do I really think I'm doing right now?
Or am I just showing that I'm ticked off that
they actually don't get it that this is so important
you have to make that decision and that what do
you really think is going to happen here? Because the
main thing that I can say is going to happen

(46:44):
is going to wreck that relationship.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
So if the two of you.

Speaker 11 (46:47):
Don't figure out a way to pull that over to
the side of the road and move forward in a
different way, that's the one thing for sure that's going
to happen is you're going to wreck that relationship. And
I would bet most of those people relationship matters more
in their actual life than having to have that person
agree with them on every single policy thing that comes

(47:09):
up in the US.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
Why does it seem like now there are so many
people willing to walk away, especially from familial relationships. I've
gotten multiple text messages while we're chatting of people saying
I don't talk to my parents anymore, or the last
time they talked to me they called me brainwashed and
unreasonable and we haven't spoken since. Or I've scraped off

(47:30):
family and friendships because this is about saving the country,
not politics. Is there something happening now that makes it
easier for people to just break these ties.

Speaker 11 (47:41):
Well, my view is probably like yours because it was
embedded in what you just said. Is I think that
people are taking in so many messages that make these
arguments existential. And I very well get somebody on a
certain side of a certain view who is going to say,
and some of your listeners are thinking right now it
is existential for me, you know, I actually I really

(48:03):
get that. But to answer your question, I think what
the media has reinforced and that we reinforce in our
minds so easily, is that all of these things threaten everything.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
And that's probably not really true.

Speaker 11 (48:19):
The things are likely not to be as bad as
either side fears from the other side winning, even though
I'm sure I'll make people mad by saying that. But
America has been you know, if you go back to
like hundreds of years, you know, we it goes up
and down. But America has been fairly nasty in its

(48:40):
politics for ever, I think, I mean, it's not exactly new,
but we do have this tendency to believe that the
sky is falling and that everything hinges on getting this
right for the next four years, and there's no recovery
if we get it wrong for four years. And that's
really probably not true. And I'm offending some people forgetting that.

(49:02):
But if you want to burn the most important relationships
in your life because you believe it's true, you're probably
making a bad decision.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
Aimen to that. That is something I say all the time.
Politicians will inevitably disappoint you. I want to talk a
little bit about fighting for your marriage. The book Positive
Steps for Preventing Divorce and building a lasting love. This
is the fourth edition of this book, and I wanted
to ask you, how have you, guys, what kind of
issues have you updated over the years, what's changed, and

(49:31):
what's kind of stayed the same.

Speaker 11 (49:34):
So let me just give you a few examples. There's
always things that are sort of new or more clear
coming out in the research. So, for example, I study
a lot about commitment and relationships and how it works.
So one of the things that my colleague Gleana Roods
and I have published a lot of studies on is
what I call asymmetrical commitment, when you have a romantic

(49:56):
relationship where two people are really not on this page
about how committed they are to each other. So as
that kind of stuff gets clear, there's a section on that. Now.
There's always been a chapter on commitment in this book,
but there's a section on that now, or things about
again related to commitment, alternative monitoring, which is kind of

(50:19):
checking other people out and monitoring your exes when you're
in this relationship and how does that affect this relationship? Now,
a lot of those trends we talk more about the
ways people meet now very differently than the way they
met thirty or forty years ago used to be friends,
social networks, church community, and now it is mostly online

(50:41):
is the number one way people meet. Wow, that relates
to this topic today because we expanded the whole section
in this book about different kinds of differences that couple
struggle with, like cultural, political, religious. You know, we've always
talked about, but we've expanded these others because I think
what happens now in romantic relationships is you have more

(51:04):
people now who have met and fallen in love with
somebody without having grown up in the same community, without
having the same cultural context. And that is delightful and
it's a challenge. It's stuff you got to work. Their
family might be so much more different than when you

(51:24):
met in the same community at the same high school
and their family was sort of like your family. So
I think changes like that are always happening, and we
can apply a lot of the same things that we've
ever taught about communicating more effectively, managing conflict well, uh,
and preserving and protecting the best stuff around what the

(51:46):
culture is now and what people are struggling with now.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
To your point about you know, people are marrying people
that don't have that similar background in from my high
school graduating class. We have four couples who dated in
high school, went and married someone else. We're married for
twenty twenty five years, got divorced, and then went back
to their high school sweethearts again, the people they grew
up with and are now married. So it's it's kind

(52:12):
of goes to exactly what you're talking about. When you
don't have that shared history, that shared sense of space,
it can it can create specific challenges. I've always told people,
and I believe this, you got to find somebody with
the same kind of damage you have, right if they
understand your damage, you're going to be fucking looking forward
doctor Scott's Stanley things in the.

Speaker 11 (52:29):
Same kind of bottom line, Yeah, what are your big things?

Speaker 8 (52:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (52:34):
You really.

Speaker 11 (52:35):
I have one friend who says I could never marry
somebody that doesn't recycle. Well that's yeah, you know, but
they they know you got to know where you're like
deal breakers right are now? I think that's the trick
of dating these days, that we could do a whole
show on the whole dating scene these days like that.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
I think we have to because I'm they're so am
I'm out of time right now with you, so we've
got to I'm going to have you back on for dating.
We're going to talk about dating, because that'd be great.
Let me tell you, that's the biggest frustration I get
via email that has nothing to do with the show,
is where do I meet people in this town? What
do I do? So we'll have you back on for that,

(53:12):
Doctor Scott Shanley. The book is Fighting for your Marriage.
I put a link to their website that has all
the links to buy the book. Thank you so much
for a fascinating conversation.

Speaker 11 (53:21):
Thanks so much, Mandy.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
All right, thank you, and we will be right back.
I want to share this text message because this is
one of those that I just read it and I
just want you to know Texter, I mentally high fived you,
like in my brain too, the little hands went like that, Mandy.
I truly believe a major reason for the increase in

(53:43):
political turmoil in the country is due to the magnitude
of the federal government's influence in americans lives. The bigger
the federal government becomes, the more unhinged people become when
their team does not win, and the more tone deaf
the federal government becomes too with citizens. In my belief.
It was never intended to be that way, since the

(54:04):
individual states should have more influence on the average citizen
than the federal government. That from Brian, and Brian, you
are exactly right. People love to talk about Have you
ever heard people that are like, you know what, lets
you just we really need to get the money out
of politics. That's it's the buddy is the problem. The
buddy is the issue. If we could just get the

(54:25):
money out, we could just you know what, We'll do
it gofund me and everybody who's running for office has
to split the GoFundMe. All of those are the dumbest
ideas ever, because it's not the money in politics, it
is the power that draws the money. Right, If there
was nothing to lobby for, if there was no tax

(54:47):
breaks to get for voters, if it was just government
ensuring that we all have the ability to move about
freely in this country to pursue our dreams without too
much hassle, and left a vast majority of the heavy
lifting up to the states, you bet your bottom dollar
we would not have this kind of polarization. First of all,

(55:07):
we wouldn't have that kind of money in politics. It's
a lot harder to cast the people that live in
your own state as others. Right, I live in Douglas County,
and I think the governance in Denver is ridiculous, But
I also interact with Denver Rights every single day of
my life. Some of my best friends are Denver Rights.

(55:29):
So I can't cast Denver Rights as you know, horrible people,
even though I disagree with the politics that run their city. Now, Californians,
now we're talking because I don't have to deal with
those bastards every day. I mean, except when I fly
to their beautiful state and spend time and money there.
It's fine, then they're awesome. But no, I mean, you see,
it's much harder to hate the people who are right

(55:51):
next to you. And if power was indeed centralized at
the state level, as the founding fathers envisioned, then we
would not have as much polarization. Because you know, the
old adage all politics is local used to be true.
It's certainly not anymore. It's I mean, to a certain extent,
even federal policies are local. But it's not like it

(56:14):
used to be. That's why retail politicking, as they call it,
the handshaking the go in door to door. It's not
enough if you don't have money to get your name everywhere.
Used to be just TV and radio. Now it's social media.
You've got to be everywhere. Then you don't have much
of a chance of getting elected because all of those
networks of people where you could go to your neighbor

(56:35):
and say, man, who did you vote for and why
and your neighbor says, oh, I voted for this person
because I really like this about them, And then maybe
you talk to a different neighbor or whatever. It doesn't
happen with the same regularity. You live in a house, right,
I mean you guys, you're a renter, but you live
in a house.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
Right.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
You live in a neighborhood. Yeah, not one that I own.

Speaker 8 (56:54):
But how often do you talk to your neighbors at all?
The one next to me quite often, chat of the station.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
Oh hi, Chad.

Speaker 8 (57:02):
And then Hannah, our other neighbor. I talked to her
quite often, just because our paths crossed.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
One on each side.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
We're on the end.

Speaker 12 (57:09):
So those are the two next to me. Okay, great,
but yeah, the other three not at all? No clue, no,
And you know, part of it is that, like you
don't have kids that play together. Kids who play together
kind of bring a neighborhood together a little more. And
I'm not picking on you, Grant, I'm just saying I
think you're basically the average person. The average person may
know the neighbor on either side of them, but they
don't have the sort of community connections.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
When I was a kid, and I went all the
way down the street to the big hill so we
could ride our skateboards down the big hill and try
not to die, and no one stopped us from doing this.
By the way, another reason gen X is like, yeah,
we're just happy to be alive right now, just happy
to be here. But every neighbor would come out of
their house and yell, where are you going?

Speaker 1 (57:54):
You know.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
See, I grew up in the Sticks, so my closest
neighbor was like a mile away. Yeah that's different than
my I mean, I grew up in like a neighborhood, neighborhood.

Speaker 8 (58:03):
Right now, if I had a buddy who lived in Coolville,
where the rightside each other, and yes they knew everyone, Yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
That seem you know, And part of it is it
feels very consequential, even though the reality of it, and
in Colorado. We're living through this now. We're all focused
on the federal election, But what about everything that has
happened in Colorado in the past five years, all of
those elections, some of which were decided because Trump was
at the top of the ticket, and every single Republican

(58:32):
got punished on the down ticket in twenty twenty. That
absolutely happened. Some of it is because of the federal elections,
but all of that stuff that happened in Colorado affects
our day to day life far more just consequentially than
anything that happens at the federal level. And yet we're
all focused on the presidential election. Have you paid attention

(58:54):
to the people that are running for your House district,
your your Senate district, if there's a race in your
Senate district this time, and I don't mean the US Senate,
I mean the Colorado Senate. Have you paid attention to
what they stand for, what they've actually voted for, so
you can understand the rules and regulations that are going
to impact you very very quickly. Anything that happens at

(59:14):
the federal level happens at a snail's pace, right, But
if we liked another crop of hard left progressives in Colorado.
That stuff happens in a year, and it's just we're
paying attention to the wrong thing. Mandy. I don't like
living in Denver, but I have to live close to work.

Speaker 6 (59:34):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
I'm not mad at you, Denver, right, So I'm just
saying the governance of Denver is not good. The city
council not good, Denver public schools not good. If they
were good, they would have already filed Alex Morero, he'd
already be gone gone yesterday's news. And you know, but

(59:55):
I don't have to live there. I have to kind of.
I mean, I work there, so I kind of have
to put up with it. I don't have to live there, Mandy.
I just think that only the presidential election there will
be well over one billion dollars spent. There'll be a
billion dollars spent by one campaign between you. When you
add up all the spending for the candidates, and then
you add up all the spending for all the super packs,

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we're gonna go over a billion easy. I mean, that's
not even that's not even a high bar anymore, which
is kind of crazy. But I know how much stuff
costs in the media. I know how much social media
ads cost. I know much radio ads cost, I know
how much TV ads cost. I know how much it
costs to have your name everywhere. And if you don't
have a billion dollars, you're just not serious for a

(01:00:38):
national election, right. Can you imagine if we elected things
like secretary of State and Secretary of the Treasury and
all of that stuff, like what those races would be.
It would be nuts, Mandy, States can't print money, Fed's can.
That's why FEDS have the power, and we let that happen.

(01:00:59):
And that is going to be our ultimate undoing one
hundred percent. So yeah, there you go. This person's waighing
in our interview from the last segment. My four compatibility
traits are agreement on finances, recreation, timeliness, and cleanliness. It's
sad to add politics too. I don't know what my

(01:01:20):
four compatibility traits are. Great you ever thought about your
compatibility traits until right now?

Speaker 8 (01:01:28):
No, I did have to read a book. Well, I
shouldn't say I had to read My wife and I
read a book. Call.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
Wait a minute, you totally just told the truth that
the first part of that love language.

Speaker 8 (01:01:39):
It's such a great book, Yeah, which I did. I
really did help our relationship anything.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
See, here's the thing about when you say I was
made to read a book because you were, But the
fact that you read the book, grant it shows a
commitment to commitment. And somebody told me this a really
long time ago, and I didn't understand it. They said,
you've got to find somebody with the same level of
commitment to because I have been at weddings where one
of either the groom or the bride introduced their brand

(01:02:07):
new spouse as this is my first wife, and I
died inside.

Speaker 8 (01:02:13):
I already told Olivia multiple times if if we don't
work out, I'm never getting married again. John Dunzie's it
is hard because when you enter a relationship, usually one
person is more committed than the other one.

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
And it took me a while to learn about that. Yeah,
and for me and Chuck, I mean, we got married
because obviously there was high level of commitment there. But
he'd already been married twice before and I'd been married
once before. But once we decided to have Q, I
was like, Okay, dude, this is it. We're bringing a
human into the world, and we are married, and we
are going to make sure that we are happily married.
We are going to if it kills us, we will

(01:02:48):
be happily married to give this kid two parents throughout
her whole life. We're going to do this.

Speaker 8 (01:02:54):
And we both were like okay, And she's turning and
test such a great young woman, Like she has her
little proud.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
I am extremely proud of all my kids. But sometimes
when she does stuff and I realize, I'm like, pretty
sure that's me. She's still a teenager.

Speaker 10 (01:03:09):
I know, I know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
I'll tell you a funny story off the air when
we get back. I've got some text messages that are
kind of interesting and I want to share them with
you about all kinds of stuff, including Haitian's eating people's pets.
That more on that coming up next. Now, this person
is said on the text line, we need to get

(01:03:32):
over the insult people feel about eating their pets. Soon
we'll all be eating our pets. A can of food
a day and a gallon of water a week will
be luxury. They do taste good. Millennial Grant rules one
of your fans Grant yeah please, yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep.

(01:03:55):
I'm trying to find this text message. Oh, here we go. Hey, Mandy,
don't you think people of the same family mostly think
the same way. If anyone in my family did not
think the same way, it would be tough, but I
would be able to convert them. I would think. Okay,
let me unpack this, as they say in the jargon
these days. First of all, there are lots of reasons
that people come up with different political opinions. You go

(01:04:17):
away to college and they do their best to indoctrinate
you into the left wing ideology. People marry people with
different political opinions. Some people grow up and come to
a different political conclusion than their parents did, And it
can just be straight up I've studied this and I
now come to a different conclusion, or it could be

(01:04:38):
a little bit of a middle finger to said parents. Whatever.
So there's a lot of families that have a political schism.
My sister in law, who I absolutely adore, we don't
talk about politics because she is on the left, and
it has absolutely no effect on how I feel about
her or my relationship with her, and we have a

(01:04:58):
wonderful relationship. But yet, families are made up of a
mishmash of people, and people are all different, and so
that happens all the time. Now the second part of this,
I would be able to convert them, I would think. Now,
let me just say that line right there is why
families break up. It's why friendships end. It's why people

(01:05:23):
allow politics to get in the middle of things that
they have no business being in the middle of. My
best friend and I we've been best friends. We've known
each other since fourth grade. We've been best friends since
high school and college, and we have maintained a close
personal friendship throughout our entire adult lives. She is a
left Democrat in New York and I don't care. And

(01:05:47):
she knows that I am a right Republican in Colorado
and she doesn't care. We respect the other's intelligence enough
to think that though you may have come to a
different conclusion for whatever reason that I did, I respect
the fact that you gave it thought, and these are

(01:06:08):
the conclusions that you came to. If you go into
any conversation thinking you are going to convert someone, you
are going to be sadly disappointed. They are going to
be angry, and you are going to damage that relationship.
My advice to people who always say, how can I convince?
How can I change their mind. How can I do this?
The first thing I tell you to do is sit
down with them for a conversation and say, I'd like

(01:06:30):
to understand better why you feel the way you feel,
without any conversation from your side, just keep your own
opinions to yourself, listen to the things that are important
to them, listen to why they think their political team
has the better answers, and then just say, you know what,

(01:06:51):
I'm going to think about that. I'm going to give
it some thought, and end the conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
In the future, should the conversation come up again, either
by them or by you, you could say, you know,
I heard what you said about your concerns, and did
you know or are you aware that a different way
to solve that problem might be this? Trust me, and
it won't happen by the way in that conversation. It
is an evolutionary thing, not because you're going to get

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a Democrat to become a Republican or a Republican to
become a democrat, but maybe you'll get them to a
point where they will understand why you feel the way
you feel and why you do what you do, and
you have a better understanding of them. And if somebody
changes their mind at some point, great, But if not,
you've opened up a line of communication in a positive
and constructive way. Just a little advice from me to you.

(01:07:43):
We'll be back in just a moment. Coming up in
the next hour. I've got a lawyer from the Alliance
Defending Freedom who's representing the parents suing the Jeff Coo
School District. But when we get back, you know, I
keep saying, it's time to buy a generator, y'all. It
is time to buy a generator. I'll explore when we
get back.

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Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the third hour of the show.
I have been so remissed this entire program. By the way,
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Tomorrow night is the first big debate. It will air
in its entirety on khow. This of course, is the
ABC News presidential debate that we're going to be airing

(01:08:50):
in its entirety on ko kho W six thirty am.
Now we have a Rockies game, but as soon as
that concludes, we are going to join in progress speech
here And if you follow us on KOA, you know
what's coming next the KOA cats. Are you gonna be
here tomorrow night? Grant, I am not. I'll be tuned

(01:09:12):
in on Facebook. You're gonna miss our popcorn extravaganza. And
Rawson is going to bring beer this time instead of bourbon. Well,
I've done where I cannot drink liquor or wine. I'm
now limited, but you can drink beer again. It seems
to be okay right now, like I'm leaning in okay,
I'm leaning into this.

Speaker 8 (01:09:31):
No, And Benjamin Albright said he's gonna bring some good
bourbon again as well, but obviously you won't be.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
I'm not drinking the bird. I wouldn't drink the bourbon
even if I was still drinking alcohol. It's not my
friend doesn't. I don't like it. It tastes awful black.

Speaker 10 (01:09:45):
Here.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
Let's have some fire and slap some wood bird wood
in there, and a little cough medicine for good measure.
There you go, speak my language. Man, get all.

Speaker 8 (01:09:53):
My buddies are like they have their bourbon and whiskey collections.
I'm like, this is disgusting.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
It's gross. Give me a cold beer, clear liquor or death. Okay,
that's the way it is. Get on death. No, never mind,
Eddie Hazzard flashback there for a second. So join us
tomorrow night to make that happen. And today this is
so cool. So all for like how many weeks now
have been registering people to win these season tickets. We

(01:10:18):
are announcing the winner of the Broncos season tickets tonight
at five point fifty on KOA Sports. So some lucky
Broncos fan is going to win those season tickets. And
I just think that's a super cool giveaway and really
really special. So there you go. Now about the we
all need to buy generators. Three different stories, well two

(01:10:42):
our columns. One is a story. Let me just start
with the story from our friends at CBS four. When
the power goes out in the Colorado town of Lewisville,
Marcy Kaylash says her mind starts running. Is the transformer
fuses blowing? That could cause a spark, that could cause
a fire. That's not safe, as our powers lie safe.
You know, these power outages are happening so often, she said,

(01:11:06):
miles away. And almost all corners of the Denver Metro
residents in the Happy Canyon neighborhood in Denver, Applewood and
Golden or South in Sterling Ranch have the same question.
They are being hit with brownouts. Now, I skipped through
a bunch of stuff that's not really important, So I
just wanted to get to these really important comments from

(01:11:27):
Robert Kenny, the president of Excel Energy Colorado. He said
the following, and I want to see if any of
us see if what leapt out at me from the
following few sentences is what leaps out at you. He said.
Every community has its own distinct set of underlying causes.
What we're seeing is load growth, and it's not limited

(01:11:49):
to Colorado. We're seeing this around the country where we're
experiencing load growth in ways that we have not seen
historically in years. Seems like load growth is a big
issue here. And you know what, We're all supposed to
drive electric cars and change all of our heat to
heat pumps, so all everything runs on electricity. And this

(01:12:09):
is dumb, This is idiotic. And I have a story
or a column rather written by Amy Oliver Cook, who's
just first of all phenomenal human being, but also does
great work on energy for the Independence Institute. She rates
or she writes quite a bit about what is happening
both to our energy prices and what is going to

(01:12:31):
happen to our energy grid reliability. And I'm going to
get Amy on the show to really do a deep
dive on this because it's super interesting and it's so important.
But then I have another column that I did not
put on the blog, but I am going to put
on the blog by our friend David Strong from Hot Air,
and he talks about what's going on in California right now.

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In California, this just happened on Sunday the Hollywood Bowl.
You've heard of the Hollywood Bowl, right, Grant. Everybody's heard
of Hollywood I would too. It's like a bucket listing
with one of the picnics. You know, you order your
picnic at the Hollywood Bowl, like I want to do
the whole experience. Well, Sunday night customers were disappointed. They
put this out on their X feed. Due to a
power outage at the Hollywood Bowl, Tonight's concert is canceled

(01:13:16):
if a new date is set for this performance. Blah
blah blah canceled a show because of having no power.
But the reality is the reason that they don't have
any power is not because they're having a heat wave,
but because during a heat wave, those selfish bastards in
California want to have this thing called air conditioning, and

(01:13:41):
so they don't have enough power in the grid to
power the air conditioning that these selfish bastards in California
want to have in their homes. Blackouts and brownouts are
now a fact of life, and California's energy prices have
risen atterly double what energy prices around the country have

(01:14:04):
risen at So they don't have enough. And by the way,
remember remember we are racing towards more renewable energy on
Colorado's grid, so we are racing to replace reliable coal
with unreliable renewable sources like sun or wind. Now, you
guys know we've had those days in the dog days

(01:14:25):
of summer where the wind it's not blowing, the sun shining.
But do we have enough solar capacity? No, we don't.
Read the Amy Cook Oliver column from the Complete Colorado,
page two, and you begin to understand exactly how bad
our grid is. If we all decided to go out

(01:14:46):
tomorrow and get an electric car and electrifire homes completely
take out our gas stoves, put in gas ovens and stoves,
and then put in excuse me, put in electric everything,
we would crash the grid. We're not ready for prime
time with these stupid edicts that are coming down faster
than we can do them. But it's fascinating, really really

(01:15:06):
fascinating to look at this, Mandy, wouldn't low growth make
it easier to keep up with supply? I don't know
what you're talking about right there.

Speaker 8 (01:15:15):
I think she missed or the listener missed her, and
she thinks it's low growth, and oh no no, oh yes, no, no, no, it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
Is load load load growth. Yes, you're right, Grant. Thank
you for clarifying that. It means more people are using
more electricity. The entire electrical load is greater than it
has ever been, and it's getting faster and faster. It's

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going up and up. And in California they've already moved
to a bunch of renewable energy, and so they're already
having rolling brown outs. So when I say by a generator.
I'm not kidding you guys, by a whole house generator.
It's time because all of this stuff is coming to
California thanks to Jared Polis, the fake Libertarian, and all
of the Democrats who are running things right now. This

(01:16:06):
is kind of a dumb story about politics, but it
strikes a nerve with me because if you've listened to
the show for a long time, you know I have
history with Bill Penzie of Penzi Spices. This guy is
a colossal bleepity bleep bleep bleep blankety bleep blank bleep bleep.

(01:16:26):
I censored myself grant so you didn't have to. He
hates Republicans. As a matter of fact, I reached out
to him and invited on the show, and he said,
I wish I'd still had that email. Let me say
if I still have that email, because that was rather
a hoot. Let's see. Umm oh yes, yes, uh oh,

(01:16:50):
I have a whole email thread from Bill Penzi. Needless
to say, the guy who ran a Republicans Are Racist
special on MLK Day and also has a say on
his station or his company's website about Republicans and how
horrible they are. He's an awful person, a truly awful, divisive,

(01:17:11):
disgusting person, and guests whose shop Kamala Harris popped into
in Pennsylvania, Oh Yeah, Bill Penzie, Bill Penzie Penze Spices,
and of course the Washington Post reporter took to X
to share their observations of Harris's choice to go to

(01:17:33):
Penzi's Spices by reporting, Kamala just went into Penzee's Spices
and bought creamy peppercorn dressing, base Fox Points seasoning, Trinidad
lemon garlic marinade, Turkish seasoning, and Tuscan sunset sult free
Italian seasoning. The reporter posted on X, thank god we
found that out. Could you have gone the rest of

(01:17:53):
the day without knowing she likes the Turkish seasoning. The
Associated Press wrote ahead line that read, Harris turns to
her favorite foods in an effort to show them more
private side and connect with voters. Then it went on
about how colored green's in a tub, caramel cake, pancakes,
baking breakfast, and how much of a devoted foodie Harris is.

(01:18:15):
She's just like us, Grant, She's just like us, except
us we do not shop at that hate filled store
called Pensy Spices. I get my spices from Savory Spice
and they're delicious. And you know what, I don't know
the politics of the owners of Savory Spices because no
one's ever told me, and I don't care. They could

(01:18:37):
be swinging for the raptors Democrats, but I don't know,
and I don't care because they cater their delicious spices
to everyone, unlike the hatemonger who owns the other spice store,
which is dead to me. I spit on you, Penzi Spices,

(01:18:58):
I spit on you. It's just how this is one
of those other self inflicted wounds that is completely unnecessary
because she's out there preaching unity and then she goes
to this hate monger store. I mean, come on, come on, great,
what spices do you use on a regular basis? What
are your go tos?

Speaker 8 (01:19:19):
Garlic powder, everybody, paprika of course, what else? Well, I'm
kind of a redneck, so Lowry's.

Speaker 9 (01:19:28):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
Here's the thing about Lowry's. It is sugar in it,
I know. And so I make my own season salt.

Speaker 8 (01:19:34):
Now, Olivia started making all of her own seasonings and
they are incredible.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
Yes, I make my own taco seasoning my own pumpkin
pie spice. Well, let me just say this, if you
don't believe me, okay, that really good spices make a
huge difference. Before you make pumpkin bread or you make
pumpkin pie, you go to savory spy shop and you
buy the following ingredients. You buy because you my little

(01:20:00):
small packets like a little dimebag. They don't call it
a dime bag, but that's what it looked like. I mean,
I've seen a dining bag on the internet. That's why
I know. Oh, just on the on the internet, I
saw a picture, but they look like little dimebags. Of
the spices, you can get allspice. You can get ginger,
ground ginger, you can get cinnamon, you can get nutmeg.
You can make your own pumpkin pie spice with these
incredible And the cinnamon, there's multiple options. Go with the

(01:20:21):
Indonesian cinnamon for your pumpkin pie spice, You're welcome, and
then just mix it up and then make your pumpkin
pie or your pumpkins bread with that. Now I have
to go home and make pumpkin bread.

Speaker 8 (01:20:34):
Oh man, the guy Doug that runs all the Rockies games,
I don't know how much love him.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
Yeah, he's such a good guy.

Speaker 8 (01:20:40):
He made zucchini bread on Sunday for all of us
when the Broncos and Rockies were playing at the same time.
So good, delicious, And we actually get Hello Fresh all
the time. And they forgot our schwarma seasoning packet the
other day and Olivia made her own better for the
one we got.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
Yeah, good spices, two things. If you if you cook
a lot, good spices are always worth it. And when
you go to a place like Savor, you can buy
them in small amounts. You don't have to buy a
big jar of mace that's going to sit there for
fourteen years before you ever need it again. You met
little amounts. But they make such a big difference, as
does really expensive coco powder. When you're making a baked

(01:21:19):
good with coco powder, really expensive coco powder one hundred
percent worth it. When we get back, there is a
family suing jeff Co Public Schools, several families actually, because
their daughter was supposed to bed on a across the
country field trip with a biological boy. We're going to
talk to one of the attorneys on the case coming

(01:21:39):
up next. Now, we're going to shift gears completely with
this conversation because there is a lawsuit that's been filed
against Jefferson County Public Schools and joining me now Malory Slate.
She is the legal counsel on the parental rights team
at the Alliance Defending Freedom and they are working with
the parents on this case. Mallory, welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (01:22:00):
Thank you so much for letting me come on.

Speaker 5 (01:22:02):
Mandy.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
Well A Finmou's case very very interesting and I'm interested
in finding out more details because I'm not a lawyer,
but my father was one. San I slept it a
holiday in last night, so of course I have an
opinion the case itself. Describe what's going on, Describe the
case as it is now, and then I'll just ask
my questions.

Speaker 13 (01:22:23):
Absolutely so, we represent three different families in Jeffco.

Speaker 7 (01:22:28):
And they are concerned about.

Speaker 13 (01:22:30):
A policy from Jefferson County Public Schools called the Transgender
Students Policy. What this policy does is it says that
on all overnight trips for all students in Jeffco, they
will be roomed by gender identity rather than sex. So
what that means to our clients is they sent their daughter,
an eleven year old girl on a trip to Washington,

(01:22:52):
d C. All the way across the country, and she
shows up in her hotel room for that night and
is about to climb into bed and is told by
her bedmate that he is a boy and not a girl,
and she had no idea.

Speaker 5 (01:23:04):
The parents had no idea.

Speaker 13 (01:23:06):
Similarly, the Roller family sent their son to outdoor lab
where they have no communication with him for four days.
They pick him up at the end of the trip
and are told that their son was in a room with.

Speaker 5 (01:23:18):
An eighteen year old female student who.

Speaker 13 (01:23:21):
Was told to oversee not only his sleeping and changing,
but also to supervise his showers. So this policy has
a significant impact on families and children within JEFSCO.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
These are my questions because you just laid it out perfectly.
It's my understanding that in the case of the first child,
that the school district is now saying they did not
know that that child was biologically a male. Have you
do have any reason to believe or dispute that as
of right.

Speaker 13 (01:23:53):
Now, Well, we know that their policy says that this
school district is required to keep a a notification of
the students legal birth sex. So it doesn't quite make
sense to say that the school district was unaware when
that would be a violation of their own policy.

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
Okay, so they either violate their own policy or they're
not being honest currently. In the second case, you have
the case and I believe that was a non binary woman.
You said that was overseeing these kids. How Yet, I mean,
what is the policy for are they supposed to room
with other males? That's the one that I have more

(01:24:35):
questions about because it wasn't actually a student. It was
someone that was going to be a chaperone. Were they
from the district or were they from outdoor ed?

Speaker 5 (01:24:44):
So it was a student.

Speaker 13 (01:24:46):
She was an eighteen year old high school senior. And
for outdoor Lab they have cabins, and then within each
cabin that has eleven and twelve year old students in
sixth grade, they are assigned anywhere from one to four
student counselors who are high school students who volunteer.

Speaker 5 (01:25:06):
Those high school students.

Speaker 13 (01:25:07):
Are allowed to decide completely of their own will whether
they would like to room with the eleven year.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
Old boys or the eleven.

Speaker 13 (01:25:16):
Year old girls. So this eighteen year old student who
kind of went back and forth from identifying as email
or identifying as non binary for some reason, decided that
she wanted to room with the boys, and no one
in JETPO questions that and simply just put her in
the boys cabin.

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
That's ridiculous. I mean, that is just absolutely ridiculous. So
what are you hoping the outcome of this case will be,
Because in my experience, it's not just about getting justice
for these families, but it's seeking a better policy going forward.

Speaker 5 (01:25:52):
That's exactly what we want.

Speaker 13 (01:25:54):
And we're not even asking them to get rid of
the policy or completely rewrite the policy. We're asking to
do very simple things. First, that they notify parents.

Speaker 5 (01:26:04):
In the district prior to trips that their policy is
to room by gender identity.

Speaker 13 (01:26:08):
Right now, when parents get home, you know, page ucker
page of papers to sign and review and policies, they're
not given this policy, So parents are not.

Speaker 5 (01:26:18):
Told prior to the trip that this is the policy.

Speaker 13 (01:26:21):
Second, we're asking for some type of accommodation or parents
or students who don't feel comfortable sleeping in the same
bed or room or cabin with a student of the
opposite sex, just like the students who are transgender are
permitted to pick where they want a room.

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
Our clients are.

Speaker 13 (01:26:40):
Simply asking that they could choose where their children room
and who they room with.

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
And you know, I don't think this is an unreasonable ask.
I know that it makes things much more complicated as
these trips are being planned when you've got all these
different rooming requests, But it seems to me that this
is not an unreasonable situation. So where's the case right now.

Speaker 13 (01:27:02):
Well, we've actually sent two letters to jeffco back in
December and January and asked if they would be willing
to work with us and to create some kind of
simple accommodation or opt out where it could be done
completely anonymously and confidentially.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
That they were not willing to work with us. So
they really left us no option but to file a lawsuit.

Speaker 13 (01:27:23):
So last week we filed a lawsuit, and we are
requesting those two simple things that I laid out that
they could do very easily.

Speaker 5 (01:27:32):
For instance, when they sent.

Speaker 13 (01:27:33):
Home those papers before a trip, they can have a
box that says do you submit to this policy or
would you like to opt out? And you can simply
check a box, and then they can room children who
want to opt out of the policy together, and children
who are okay with the policy, they can room them together.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
There you go. I mean, it makes so much sense,
but of course you're dealing with the school district, so
nothing they're doing right now and jeff Co makes sense
to me. But that's the story for another time. Mallory Slate,
I really appreciate you taking time for us today. Now,
what is the next step and what do you guys speculate?
And I realize I'm saying speculate for a reason would

(01:28:12):
be the time frame for disposition of this case.

Speaker 13 (01:28:18):
So we foled last week and Jessco has twenty one
days to respond to our complaints and then we'll go
from there. And like I said, we would love to
work with them, and we would hope that they would
want to work with the people in their district, especially
parents who are really involved parents and who are simply
trying to protect all children within the district.

Speaker 5 (01:28:39):
But so far they've been unwilling to do that, so
we'll have to let the court decide.

Speaker 4 (01:28:43):
All right, Malorie Slate with Alliance Defending Freedom. I appreciate
your time today.

Speaker 5 (01:28:48):
Thank you so much for habbing me on no problem,
thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:28:52):
I would lose my mind if Q came back from
some school things like yeah, non binary boys certain you know,
uh watched our showers?

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
What what?

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
That's nuts? Okay, I got a bunch of stuff on
the blog today, and I had Danielle Jorinsky on earlier
today at twelve thirty that should be its own podcast
and up if you'd like to hear her respond to
Mayor Mike Kaufman. That whole thing is just a big
fat mess. But I do have a lot of stuff
on the blog today that I want to direct your
attention to. One. I have an article on loneliness that

(01:29:27):
is so good, not good in a it's positive and
upbeating is gonna make no you guys. Loneliness is a
huge part of the development of dementia as you get older,
but it also can have an incredibly negative effect on
your overall physical health. And it's a great column. I'd
love for you to read it. I do want to

(01:29:47):
talk about this for just a second. I was talking
to a friend of mine who lives in West Palm
Beach a couple of weeks ago, and they were getting
ready for a storm or something. He's like, I don't
think it's gonna hit us, And I said, to him. Honestly,
I said, about two and a half years ago, I
stopped paying attention to the hurricane forecast because when you
grow up in Florida, you know every year what the
hurricane forecast is going to be. You have to pay

(01:30:09):
attention to it. You don't have any choice. And this
year the hurricane forecast was supposed to be incredibly busy,
it was going to be an historic, historic hurricane season,
and it's been super super quiet, I mean really really quiet.

(01:30:33):
And now they're like, so, what's going up? But the
gentleman who actually is here in Colorado, the guy who
comes up with the predictions here is actually in Colorado.
And I'm not trying to pick on him, but this
is exactly why I look at this. You know, when

(01:30:55):
people tell me what the temperature is going to be
in fifteen years, I still laugh. It's a laugh because
they can't even figure out hurricane season. Now, we had
a guy on and I could not remember his name,
but I'm sure you guys remember me talking to him,
and he talked about the fact that as the earth
worms and I do believe that the earth is warming,
by the way, to be clear, I believe that we

(01:31:17):
are getting hotter. But I don't believe it is necessarily
anything we can do that much about. I subscribe to
the Earth. We'll totally figure it out on Earth's own
and doesn't need us to do anything, because Earth will
figure out a way to handle it. We will figure
out a way to live and adapt to a changing environment.
So that being said, we had a guy on and

(01:31:40):
he said, look, as the poles warm, it creates less
of a change in the temperature from north to south
and south to north coming up from the Antarctic, and
that temperature change is what creates the turmoil and the
conditions for a hurricane to develop. So as the Earth warms,

(01:32:01):
we should actually see fewer hurricanes because the conditions four
hurricanes are not as ideal as they have been. I
thought about that today when I read this. There are
questions about whether planetary warming could be so extreme it
supercharged the storms that managed to form, but has also

(01:32:21):
allowed fewer to materialize. The quiet Atlantic stands in contract
to a dynamic Pacific type food season and yet another
record hot Northern Hemisphere summer that spreads deadly temperatures, massive fires,
and overwhelming floods around the globe. So I mean, what

(01:32:41):
he said made sense to me, because hurricanes start because
of kind of the churn of the hot air hitting
the cold air and all of the stuff that happens
when that happens. So yeah, a big historic season. And
I'm sure he's not rooting for more hurricanes because nobody
wants more hurricanes that can do death and destruction. I mean,

(01:33:03):
you know, maybe some do. And then lastly, grant good news.
My robot assistance is one step closer. Swiss scientists have
designed muscles m hm muscles from robot artificial muscles. They

(01:33:23):
are let me see if I can find this. They
are oil filled bags that allow machines to move more
like humans. And they can jump nimbly, not just jump,
nimbly jump. So it's nimble. That's just what we need,
nimbly jumping robots. Yeah. But here's the thing, and I
didn't even think about this. In this article. It says, look,

(01:33:44):
you know, if you have a robot, a metal robot
in your house, like Rosie, you know, the maid from
the Jetsons, and Rosie falls over on you, it'll hurt
because it's a metal robot that's heavy, right, So you
get these fake muscles on it, and it's kind of like,
do you ever have a stretch Armstrong?

Speaker 5 (01:34:01):
Was that something you?

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
So?

Speaker 4 (01:34:02):
When did you cut it open to find out what's inside?
A couple of weeks in there you go, here's the
blue goo. Like, I just have this feeling like these
these muscles are probably gonna look like the blue goo
from Stretch Armstrong. You know what I'm talking Everybody in
this listening audience that had a stretched Armstrong did the
exact same thing. And then we went to our parents
and were like, it broke yeah, and my mom's like

(01:34:24):
I can clearly see the scissor marks in that. Yeah,
no you're not. You broke the first one. But in
any case, this is one step closer to having our
robot companions in our houses. So I'm super excited about this.
The Swiss team, by the way, said we looked at

(01:34:45):
these six hundred muscles in the human body to create
something that could walk and jump in a more fluid,
agile manner, and now they've created artificial muscles, also known
as electro hydraulic action. So do you think when a
robot goes to a robot bar to pick up another robot,
it'll be like those are really nice electro hydraulic actuators

(01:35:08):
who have Look at how big they are, Look at
how strong you are. You didn't tell me I was
playing against my boss. Oh yeah, geez, well I picked
a sports category. He did not for Ryan Edwards to
redeem himself. No, right, he's running a little late, Yeah, Ryan,
I I'm not gonna I was actually a little bit
embarrassed for Ryan that I beat him in a football catch?

(01:35:30):
Did you hear about how bad that? Dave Logan was
embarrassed as well as well? He should, man, because I know,
I know what it's like to lose and then lose
to a girl. I won a fantasy football league that
I was in for four years and then they wouldn't
let me play anymore. Yeah, yeah, because this league, because
they won't let me. They were like, no, we had
to tell people we lost a girl on our league

(01:35:50):
and we're not doing that again. And they kicked me out.
And that was twenty five years ago. So I've survived.
I've somehow managed to remain scrappy. Dave Tepper, my boss,
would you have a robot in your house that could
do like, you know, handy chores, like if you're having
a bad day. I'd be like Dave high five, like
up top. You know I want one. I want one, Yes,

(01:36:10):
I want one like I want one that I don't
have to feed like my dog. Right, My dog's there
for me every day. Oh, that would be great because
we have a Pyrenees who like me. Like three in
the morning. Oh god, it is so robot all day,
three o'clock in the morning. To feed your dog, I
have no choice. Or this giant one hundred pounds beest
just doesn't stop barking at us. You know what your
choice would be is to uh not feed it. No,

(01:36:33):
he's trained you now.

Speaker 6 (01:36:34):
Yes, we love we.

Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
Love our Pyrenees, Dylan. He's the best, so it's all right. However,
a robot would be more than happy to take that
task from my wife and I. That would be fine.
Hang on, Kathy's got some breaking news before we go
of the day.

Speaker 6 (01:36:50):
What do we got?

Speaker 4 (01:36:51):
Kathy? Tell me it's not a fire, it's a sad one.
We're just learning that actor James Earl Jaw has passed away. Wow.
Oh the voice hit me like that too many voice? Oh,
I have his voice in my head right now seeing it.
Even Star Wars, you know, Vader is dead. It is nine.

(01:37:15):
That's a good run. Ninety three is a good ride.
You know how he passed. He was ninety three, passed
at his home in New York. We don't know anything more.
I hope he dropped dead doing something enjoyed. You hope
he dropped it. He dropped he enjoyed out loud, reading
out loud. That's what I thought, just reading like now,

(01:37:38):
too soon. I should have done that. He took the
first part for you alogies. I am deeply sorry. James
Olders family, I've you're you're that that one hits man it. Yeah,
that's in this industry. Don't you find that you? Okay?
Maybe just me? I love a great voice. I just

(01:37:59):
love it. There's people I could listen to. He is
one of them, David Ogden Steers, who played Winchester the
Third on mash. He does a bunch of audiobooks. He's
read a bunch of Tom Clancy book. I could listen
to that guy read the phone book. Really. Oh, I
can't go out my head. Who that would be?

Speaker 5 (01:38:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:38:16):
I have favorite voices, multiples of favorite Right now, it's
time for the most exciting segment.

Speaker 14 (01:38:22):
On the radio of its kind in the whoa good
one of the day there, That was very good, saying
you're giving Ryan Edwards a run for the money.

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
But they'll see how you do in a sports category anyway.
What is our dad joke of the day? Please?

Speaker 8 (01:38:40):
After that news from Kathy. It's not the best taste
in joke. But I woke up laughing today. I must
have slept funny.

Speaker 4 (01:38:49):
Ah, yes, yes, woke up laughing today.

Speaker 8 (01:38:52):
All right, today's word of the day, please, Word of
the day today. I think you both will get ambivalent.

Speaker 4 (01:38:58):
Oh well, I think I know what it is, but
I'm not quite sure. Yes, it means not waffling back
and forth. Can't make up your mind? Ambivalent? Do I
know what it means?

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
Or not?

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
Yes? I do, I won't I I don't know. Yes,
that's what that means. What is the actual definition? Grant
actual definition?

Speaker 8 (01:39:24):
Someone described as ambivalent displays very different feelings exactly hard read.

Speaker 4 (01:39:31):
Yeah, I think I'm ready to go home or maybe not. Okay,
here we go the question today. What is the origin
of the word freelance? Freelance? I'm gonna say that back
in olden times when you needed a joust, but you
did not have a joust yourself. You hired a guy
to come in and joust on your behalf. He was
a free lancer. See how wrong I am here? It started, Oh,

(01:39:58):
shut the front door. It started as a descriptor for
medieval mercenaries. He would fight for whoever would pay them
the most, and early use appears in Sir Walter Scott's
novel Ivanhoe. It was a character refers to a paid
army that he's assembled of his free lances. Well, I'm
so excited. What else could it be? Though? Honestly it

(01:40:21):
was wrong? All right?

Speaker 5 (01:40:22):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:40:22):
What is our category?

Speaker 8 (01:40:24):
Category today? In honor of bo Nix's first start as
a rookie QB for the Broncos Sports Rookies, Oh gosh,
good day, tap for good luck with you have about it, Bud.
Last name of twenty twenty one NBA Rookie of the
Year Lamello Mandy.

Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
It was Anthony incorrect, Brother Lonzo, he gets it, he
gets to know.

Speaker 8 (01:40:51):
Sorry, go ahead, Brother Lonzo was named to a twenty
eighteen All Rookie team.

Speaker 4 (01:40:57):
Got nothing. Their dad was very annoying the media leading
up to their draft picks. Again nothing, I mean I
would guess something different if I could guess again. I'm
gonna guess, are you no?

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:41:08):
Is it morning?

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:41:10):
Okay? Never mind? Ball? Oh okay, all right, this is
gonna go well.

Speaker 8 (01:41:15):
Next to one from Tony Dorset in nineteen seventy seven
to Eric Dickerson in nineteen eighty three, seven straight winners
of the NFL Rookie of the Year Award, played this position,
what is running back? Are we gonna give it to
him without staying his name?

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
You know what?

Speaker 4 (01:41:30):
Yeah? I should. That's the first one I've ever got.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
I like.

Speaker 4 (01:41:36):
Wrong, but we're gonna get the point. Let's just because
you're our boss. What was the answer? Then it was right,
I just didn't say your name. Oh well.

Speaker 8 (01:41:45):
Julie Inster, Patty Sheehan, and Nancy Lopez are former winners
of this tour's Rookie of the Year award.

Speaker 4 (01:41:53):
Mandy, what is the US? It's oh my god, us.

Speaker 5 (01:42:00):
W g A.

Speaker 4 (01:42:01):
What is the time of the Women's Association? It's Women's
Golf is remember the name of the WPGA? Correctious? What
is LPGA? God?

Speaker 10 (01:42:15):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:42:15):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
So?

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
What's that too? It was minus two minus too. Let's
see if Mandy cane out uh this twenty eighteen Al
Rookie of the Year.

Speaker 8 (01:42:26):
Rookie of the Year ended the twenty twenty three World
Baseball Classic by striking out another.

Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
Former winner, Mike Trout. I got nothing. They were also
teammates for a while. I got nothing. Oh man, he
was in battled in a betting scandal this offseason. I
got nothing. Dave, Who's no, I can't. It's time. Dave's
going to the sweep year. I didn't realized he was quickly.

(01:42:53):
We're going to be in the middle of ka sports
by the time it is done.

Speaker 8 (01:42:56):
Last one in nineteen fifty nine, long before the voice,
long before he voiced the King in cars, this racing
legend was NASCAR's Rookie of the Year.

Speaker 4 (01:43:08):
Nanny, here's Richard Petty correct minus one, well done, a
resounding victory, and I didn't even let him win. I
just didn't know any of that. Missed that basketball one
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