10-28-24 FULL SHOW - Nine Days Until Election Day and Democrats Are Getting Ugly

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Sorry, I'm giving out cake right now.
Ross Kamenski can ruin the show for a hot minute
before we do the blog and all that good stuff.
Ay Rod back in the big chair in a sweater.
You're brave man. You're brave man for making it a
sweater today on Wednesday, maybe even a turtleneck. We're gonna
get some snow ladies and germs. Super excited about that. Now,

(00:50):
Ross here, ay Ron, I need you to get this
section of the show for Ross to play on his
show tomorrow because I feel like your listeners deserves some
payoff here. So for pay on the cake, I mean,
because this has kind of been on your show. So
Ross has bees and they make extremely delicious, very sweet honey,

(01:10):
like I'd forgotten how good like honey can be because
what you buy in the store now is all cut
with corns srup. It's not real honey. Outstanding. Go home
and commend your bees. For their product. Please, because they
really have done a nice job. You need to give
them a little bonus. Whatever that looks like, throw a
little extra bee pollen at him or something. I don't

(01:30):
know how you reward your bees. But Ross brought me
some honey. And the day before I'd seen this cake
on the freaking Internet called a bee sting cake and
it used honey. And I said to Ross, oh, I
just saw this cake. I'll make it with the honey.
So he brings me the honey and then I have
to make the cake. I didn't look at the recipe
on the cake until after I had committed to the cake.

(01:52):
This was an all day project and it still didn't
come out right. And the only it did not rise
it should be twice that high. Well, the reason I
brought it is it tastes delicious, like super good. And
your honey is the star of this cake.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
You didn't want to share.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Right now, you said we weren't sharing, but I brought
it anyway because you know she's the child and I
am the adult. But will I am absolutely going to
make this again because once I get the cake right,
the texture of the cake right, this thing is going
to be off the charts. I want you to try it.
How much honey did you need? Probably about a little

(02:31):
over half a cup is what I used in the
various Oh yeah, oh yeah, so I used the I know. See.
So there's like just to give you a description, and
I took a beautiful picture of the whole cake. It
has this like almond, this brittle almond on the top
that you make with honey and sugar and you cook
the almonds separately. And then it has the cake, which

(02:53):
is a yeast riising cake, which I did something terribly
wrong because it did not rise and it's very tough.
The cake is tough, but then you drizzle a little
honey on the bottom, you cut it in half and
make like a sandwich with this vanilla pastry cream. It
is off the hook.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
That's so good.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Now, wait, do I get the cake right? Because that
flavor is just insane.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
I like how the top is a little hard, like
like a cream.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Roulet that you fired at the top, but then it
made it.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Hard to cut. And when I went to cut it,
which is why I brought you a piece, all of
the middle parts switched out. So I have work to do.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
So when you were telling me about this project and
how it is bigger than you expected.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yes, you were.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
You talked a bit about the cream. Why is this
cream a thing?

Speaker 3 (03:35):
The pastry cream I cheated on, okay, because I realized
I did not buy enough heavy cream. There were seven
million ingredients and there was four different recipes that you
had to follow for the whole thing, and then I
didn't buy enough heavy cream. So I cheated with some
vanilla pudding and some whipped cream. And so that's why
I think it didn't well hold up well.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
But okay, So separate from that, though, what is pastry
cream exactly?

Speaker 3 (03:59):
And is it basically? Is basically like putting with less
liquid in it and then whipped at the last minute
with whipped cream to sort of bring it a little
more likeness. That's what pastry cream is. So this is
vanilla pudding mixed with whipped cream.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
I cheated. Did chuck evany yet? Oh?

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yes? He loved it, right, he loved it. So now
once I get the texture of the cake right, we're
off to the races. Because the flavor of it is
in and you is in your honey, the star, don't
you just it is fantastic.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
You can taste it I'll tell you if this, if
this qualifies as your failure or near failure, I can't
wait to try this success.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Well, I got to figure out the bread. Then all right,
you can come in, Come on in. We'll just have
a whole homework. I do have a full blog, and
I do mean very full blog.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
I mean yesterday at the Broncos game, Ben was eating
a chocolate donut, so I'm sure he would eat cake
if you, if you have a piece, I.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Do you eating cake?

Speaker 6 (04:53):
I cannot okay right now? Yes, I mean Gina and
Marty coming in next, Like, what the hell.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Is going on here?

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Jan's coming in to talk in a little bit about
a heroes welcome. Then this was a first round experiment.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, what we got here?

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Ross's honey for his bees, and they do a tremendous job.
His bees are real under large whatever whatever the whole lineup,
get them all anyway. And therefore I told Ross to
make a cake, not knowing that the cake that I
was going to make is ridiculously hard to make.

Speaker 7 (05:24):
Well, I heard I was listening to the tail in
theirs Bross's guests as I was driving in, and I
heard you talk about cake, So I immediately hit the gas
and because you know, I am a fan of sweets.
The thing bross yesterday with the donut is I had
just eaten a fruit cup and I felt I needed
to balance the universe out, so I grabbed a play
full of donuts and that was when you caught me.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Man, he's helping with your balancing right now. I had
a vitam in this morning, so this helps.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
And the almonds have protein a right of course in taste,
and sugar and honey. But whatever, it's fine. Let's past that.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
These are the insessions social free.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Give that a try. That's round one of this cake.
The cake did not come out well itself. The texture
is all wrong, it did not rise. But boy, howdy,
it's delicious.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
Or the combination of everything you say is yes, Like
I would go into a patisserie in Paris and buy
something like this it's actually German, and be okay and
be perfectly happy with it, like, oh, that's a professional
pastry right there.

Speaker 7 (06:17):
Actually this is terrible. Just give it to me and
I'll take care of it. I'll dispose of it for you.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
We don't have to.

Speaker 7 (06:21):
Subject anyone else's Yeah, yeah, anyway, yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
That's right, I'll start it and then then you can
hang out or go do something because men's coming on
in like twenty minutes right now. But I do want
to tell you what's on the blog because it is massive, massive,
It's so big you need two hands to carry the
blog today. Find it by going to mandy'sblog dot com.
That's Mandy's blog dot com now Apostrey before the s
and look for the headline in the latest post section

(06:48):
ten twenty eight twenty four blog nine days until election
day and Democrats are getting ugly. Click on that and
here are the headlines you will find within. I didn't
in office?

Speaker 5 (06:58):
Happened?

Speaker 3 (06:58):
American Alway ships and comments, press flash, that's from the
kitchen today on the blog, we need to stop the
Mountain Lion hunting van. My voter guide is out. Danielle
Durinsky is still bringing out evidence of a cover up. Scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling,
hiding and all response to libelous headlines. Scrolling. The Colorado

(07:20):
Sun takes left wing money. Trump has truly made the
Democrats take leave of their senses. Scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. There's
a lot of video on the blog today, you guys,
a lot of video, scrolling, scrolling, keeping going. We're just
a Denver City council member calls out the street engagement teams.
Why we need Amendment h on judicial discipline to pass?

(07:42):
Alan Berg is back in the spotlight. A spring's facility
is tied to the E Coli outbreak. A serial rapist
we'll never get out of prison. Another reason to vote
for Amendment eighty. Don't touch your phone in your car.
Colorado's ag is offering big bucks for cell phone bans.
Elon Musk is talking about his people now. A New
Jersey town limits trick or treating manly men. Don't take

(08:04):
their health issues as seriously? Does anyone care what the
government tells you to eat? Fun facts about communism? Is
this the world's first z Ui best Halloween candy give out?

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Ever?

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Nothing like cursing about your horrible anthem on air live.
One professor doesn't like kids falling asleep in class, don't
run smack if you aren't paying attention. And the Heroes
thank you is back? Oh those are the headlines on
the blog. To mandysblog dot com, there's a lot of
headlines today. Anthony Lordie, are you recovered from your Halloween soiree.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Costume online so I can share it with you.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Not yeah, I'm putting up probably on Halloween Day. But okay,
it was great. It was a lot of fun. Biggest
part we've had the house.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, in fact then like Sardines, we're about fire goat.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
Eighteen hundred square feet and probably had mid thirties of people,
like in the thirties, like probably thirty five, which is
a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
It was really fun. Halloween's so great.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
I love hearing about stories of youth and excitement where
people have parties to celebrate things because I am so
over that. Like, oh, I'm sorry it starts when no,
I can't make it. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (09:17):
Hosting is also, I mean, it's a lot of fun,
so much work, so much money, and it's hard to
like once you get there, like enjoy a good house
party that you're hosting, Yes, while also hosting actively the
entire time, So.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Hangover, nothing too crazy, who's good time?

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Excellent? Like I said, young people and their fun parties
and whatnot. Now I am going to I got a
couple of guests coming up today. One of them is
Dan Gates. We're going to talk about the Mountainlin Hunting
Band and why people need to vote it down. They're
really really solid, good reasons why, and we're going to

(09:57):
talk about those, and then I've got Hiding and all on.
What's interesting about Heidi coming on is that Heidi has
been asking questions about election integrity. And I just had
the chance to ask Matt Crane, who is I don't
know should have gotten his actual title. I know his title.
He oversees the Clerk's organization in Colorado. He's the big
cheese of that. I had a chance to ask him

(10:17):
that about some of them. And though I do appreciate
the fact that Heidi is trying to make sure that
every single person has a really strong belief in the
integrity of our election system by making sure they are
the most secure they could be, some of the things
she's talking about he just explained to me in a
very easy manner, and we're going to talk about that

(10:39):
with her at two thirty.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Now.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Ben Albright's coming in at twelve thirty to talk about
a Hero's thank You, which is a phenomenal thing that
he started years ago on Broncos Country to Night, where
they give away checks at Christmas or a little bit
after Christmas for veterans that are nominated by you. We'll
talk more about that at twelve thirty. My favorite video
of the day.

Speaker 8 (11:00):
What do you think it is?

Speaker 2 (11:00):
A Rod Gosh, I don't know. I think it's a
certain rendition of a certain song.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
You guys, A Rod sent it to me on TikTok,
and I wanted to make sure you could see it,
so I went and found it on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Bergie is at peace? Can now at the bar and Carl.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Lewis and anyone else who is mangled. I'm gonna the
national anthem.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
I'm gonna make a not prediction, no one will ever
top this horror.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
We would play it for you. But in the middle
of slaughtering the national anthem, the singer whose name is
apparently Loomis, who was performing the anthem live at what
was an independent candidate's debate or something. It was some
kind of independent candidate debate or or there was like
three people you've never heard of on stage to debate
that no one's gonna watch. But it's live. Nonetheless, and

(11:51):
in the middle of mangling the anthem, she stops long
enough to say at it up.

Speaker 6 (11:56):
Only she didn't say ft I love hearing the direct
or Florida director at background, We're We're.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Live, Yeah, We're live.

Speaker 6 (12:03):
AKA, keep going to me, Yeah, Hello, yeah, God bless.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
I just I let's just let's give her a little
golf clap right now, because it takes a lot to
be that bad, and I feel sorry for it because
this is the only thing she's ever gonna be famous for.

Speaker 6 (12:21):
Yeah, and again, messing it up is one thing, and
it happens, you know, sometimes you get out of key,
sometimes you.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Forget a lyric. Those are natural.

Speaker 6 (12:30):
It stinks and it's really not fun to have it
happen to you, I would assume, But this is another animal.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
How do you default to saying that in the middle
of the song.

Speaker 6 (12:41):
That's a totally different that's a totally different mess up
of the national anthem. But if people get too creative,
people forget lyrics, people get out of key, those are
all normal.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
This is dropping the f B is not normal, and
it's just as entertaining as you might think it is.
That's why I made sure that those of you who
work in workplaces where TikTok is not available you can
now watch it because I went to Twitter to make
sure X to make sure that you can see it.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
I will give one percent of credit to her.

Speaker 6 (13:09):
When the director or floor director said, is live, how
fast she got back into it? Yeah, not being like
o MG, wait what being able to snap bag into
trying to continue.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
But then she say credit you nervous?

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah yeah, yeah, he keeps going and then once again
enters uh.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Never sorry, like I feel really sorry for I do.
But thank you Loomis, thank you for this because I
laughed and laughed and remembered why I would never agree
to sing the national anthem because it is literally the
hardest song out there. Hey, we're going to give you
an opportunity to sing in front of thousands of people
in here, sing a song that no one gets said
except Rinney Houston.

Speaker 6 (13:47):
I've sung it twice up at the Speedway, and both
times I stayed up in the booth with lyrics in
front of me to make sure I did not mess
it up. Yeah, that is how nervous I would be
in that moment, because I would screw it up.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
So I got a text message that said, uh, while
you turned on Heidi fast you guys, I want good
answers to good questions. Okay, I'm not turning on anybody.
I'm glad Heidi is out there looking into every single
aspect of our election to make sure that she can
then tell people people who trust her when she says, look,

(14:21):
we've looked into all of these things and they've all
been mitigated, and we can have absolute faith. That is
what I want. I want a system that we can
all have faith in. But if there are good answers
to those good questions, we need to address them, thusly,
not turning on anybody. I'm a huge Tidy fan. Remain
a huge Tidy fan. Mandy, let's see here, I am

(14:44):
your Asian. I hosted a Halloween costume party on Saturday
as well. The theme was Arcade and people came dressed
up as Arcade characters. We also bought a pac Man
machine for the event. I used to have parties, you guys,
I've just done my party. I've done my party stuff.
It's exhausted to throw a party.

Speaker 6 (15:01):
Months of practice and then a week long last week
of stress, of stress of also trying to perfect mont
Jack spo and pressure, which I think that's a pretty
tone if I did say so, man.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
So it's very hard to do.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
It's a hard accident going to slow or was just
a little savy.

Speaker 6 (15:18):
It's hard. So all that prep and in addition to
being Jack Sparrow, yeah, which I think I did pretty good.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
One thing I would say about our election integrity today
and specifically today today, multiple ballot boxes were set on
fire across uh not across I should not say that
multiple meeting like three. This is not not a you know,
a pandemic of ballot box fires, but perhaps just for

(15:49):
the duration of this insane election, we should I don't know,
walk inside if you're going to put it in the
ballot box, or we'll go to an early voting location
or whatever, just to make sure because obviously we have
taken leave of our senses in this election cycle. I've
got so much stuff on the blog today in terms

(16:10):
of audio and video, and this past weekend I was
blissfully unaware. I didn't watch TV at all. It was lovely,
It's absolutely fantastic. That being said, I get to Drudge
this morning, and I checked Drudge on Monday. That's the
day I checked the Drudge Report. I used to check
it every day. We've gone over this. They've just gone

(16:34):
off the deep end. And so I go to Drudge,
and I'm like, what the what the devildos? Strudge? Let
me just read you the headlines right now, because Trump
had a rally at Madison Square Gardens in New York
City and it was crazy how many people attended. This
is Drudge today, the headlines. It's all in big letters.

(16:56):
Night of one thousand Magas fell in and his flock,
Tucker descends into mania see Elon Roar. Speaker calls Harris.

Speaker 6 (17:08):
Anti Christ spectacle of hate.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
You guys, it is like comically unhinged to what's happening
right now. And I don't care what the polls say.
I don't care. I just there is no doubt that
right now, all of the momentum is in the Trump
side of this election. And I was talking to my

(17:34):
mom before I came in. I'm going to see my
mom for a few days, right like, I'm going I'm
gonna fly out there Wednesday, right after the election. And
she's like, oh, the election will be done. I'm like, Mom,
the election is not gonna be done. It's not gonna
be done for like a week. I mean, oh, unless
unless one of these candidates wins with such a resounding margin,

(17:56):
we are going to be drugged through the denial of
any from both sides. If Trump wins, you're going to
see election denial being raised to the highest form of patriotism,
mark my words. And if Kamala Harris wins and it's close,
nobody's going to believe that the election wasn't stolen because
she is literally one of the worst candidates we've ever had,

(18:18):
running in my opinion, against the other worst candidate we've
ever had. I can't have this get over enough. But
that being said, we got to talk about it a
little bit later in the show because when we get back,
we're going to do something better. We're going to talk
to Ben Albright about how you can nominate yourself or
a fellow veteran to be awarded one of the big
fact checks from a hero's welcome. We're going to do

(18:40):
that next Ben Alright, everybody, and it's time to talk
about a hero's thank you, which I keep calling a
hero's welcome for some reason. And I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
People have long compared me to a younger son.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Ever, not one time compared you to a younger hot
or Henriache except you're looking in the mirror. You're like,
am I a younger, hotter actually, but oh douse.

Speaker 6 (19:06):
I mean he's saying he's better on a podcast, but
when he's live, he's gone awful.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Is that I'm saying? I also dated Anna Kordakova, You wish?
I mean, come on, nobody buying that one either.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
No, nobody's buying that. You're not laying that down now.
Ben Albright, who he love to tease because he well,
he's created something of a reputation for being that guy
who likes to argue and complain about things humor.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Don't call me Tony Hinchcliffe.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
But by the way, and what they don't know about
Ben Albright is his softer Inny goo In or Guey center,
the part where you actually, on occasion gets his little
teeny tiny heart to come up three sizes too big
and then he does something super nice every year, and
that is a Heroes thank you.

Speaker 7 (19:53):
Yeah, you know, I mean, I think most people who
know me know I'm a veteran as well, and I
try to involve my off in a lot of veterans causes.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
I'm actually gonna be mceing the Denver Veterans Day Parade
this year.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
That's very exciting for you.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
So super Yeah. I am super honored by that, Like
I'm actually.

Speaker 7 (20:07):
Play yeah talked about it's like this is like throwing
out the first pitch for me.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (20:13):
But yeah, so Heroes, thank you for something that It
was actually created by Jeff Johnson here and Jeff had
approached me about it when I first came on at
KOA because the first year had been done with some
other people and he knew us of VET and I
was only like right away, yes, let's do this, let's
do this. And we have managed to expand this thing.
I mean like from the second year we did the
checks of like triple we now give I think four

(20:36):
times the beneficiaries out because we get some great sponsors
for this stuff every year. But basically we're handing out
a couple of thousand dollars checks twenty five hundred depending
on the year whatever. The sponsors are willing to get
in there too, you know, veterans and first responders to
families in need around the holiday season, and man, we
love doing it. We get some you get to meet
some great people doing this and surprise people.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
It's great.

Speaker 7 (20:57):
This is the surprise and the people and just the
emotional reaction they have have and let me ask you
a question.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
How many of the veterans that you have had a
chance to go give the giant check to? And do
we have an account with a giant check? Do we
have a giant you have?

Speaker 9 (21:08):
We don't.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
By the way, you can't take those giant checks to
the banks.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
They will not care, just ignore you. Why did you
just ride out on that giant check? He wrote in
on Forge one of the giant knobs kids. Not this
year anyway, those charges have been expungent. So how many
of the guys or gals that you've given checks to
have said something along the lines of, you know, somebody
else should get that, because that's my issue, and I

(21:31):
say issue with air quotes with veterans is they always
think somebody deserves it more right.

Speaker 7 (21:36):
There's a lot of that privately, you know, that kind
of stuff. But most of these nominations come in from
their family, so they don't want to do that.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
They don't want to be so it kind of kind
of works out that way, a little bit that we
have to give.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
You know, you can't give this away buddy, your family.

Speaker 7 (21:51):
Yeah, exactly, but there has been that a matter of fact,
we did have one winner turned down their award and
have it donated somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
We did have that.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
That's awesome. Don't get me wrong when I say that,
I always feel like I don't want to be the
person who makes a person who gets one of these
checks feel like, well, I have to donate it. No,
I want you to keep the money and spend it
however you want to spend it. But it makes you
feel good to donate it, and you can do that.
That's wonderful too. I never want to make someone feel
bad about getting one of these checks because I think

(22:20):
that everybody that you've given them to. The stories are
heart wrenching. We do video of it. We put it
on the blog later so you can see it. It's
just it's nice to appreciate people who did Most of
them did their service and they just are quietly going
about their lives and not making a big deal out
of it and not you know, expecting anything, And those,

(22:41):
to me are the people that deserve it the most.

Speaker 7 (22:43):
Oh absolutely, And being able to be able to do
that and see you know, the faces, it's I think
it's a vent. Like you don't want the constant adulation, right,
or at least I don't want to speak for all this.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
I don't want it, but I do as much as
I ham it up, you know, all the time. I
really don't and and but you do.

Speaker 7 (22:57):
It is nice to be appreciated every once in a while,
remember that, hey, these people appreciate that I did this
or that I you know, those kinds of things, and
it's certainly it's nice. And then the addition, you know,
especially for the ones that really needed it, there's been
some some just I mean some gut wrenching stories on
some of these family lost their home. This was able
to float them. So this money was able to float
them through till their insurance came in because their home

(23:18):
had burned in a fire.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
There was a young lady.

Speaker 7 (23:21):
Whose husband had was the hero who was nominated, who
had unfortunately committed suicide, gone for US health time. Committed
suis I'd leave a him and their young daughter alone.
And this is you know, to help them, help get
them through, you know, get them through there. There's been
some gut wrenching stories with some of this stuff. We're
glad and I you know, for me, it's not just
about this. I try to follow up with these people

(23:43):
as much as I can year after year. Some of
them I've been unable to one of them passed away
shortly after they got the award. But but following up,
try to follow up and see where their lives have gone,
and see what I can do to help, you know,
if there's anything else I can do to help, you know,
kind of behind.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
The scenes, and it just connects. I think it just
connects people, and I think that's great.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
One of the things that you know, we we have
here in Colorado that I think in many cases, I've
talked to so many veterans charities and there are so
many veterans' charities that do different things and they help
different people. And one of the things that you know,
I want to do a better job about. And I
try to set a show goal for the next year.

(24:18):
So I'm already looking at twenty twenty five and I'm
going to try and feature a veteran's charity every month,
just letting people know what's out there, not necessarily so
you are forced to give them money. They all need money,
trust me, they would love a donation. But to also
reinforce all the veterans out there, there is so much help.
A vast majority of it is veteran directed, so it's

(24:38):
like you have these organizations. It pains me so much
to know that so many veterans are still struggling and
that our suicide rates are so high, when there are
so many people ready, willing and able, they're on the
starting blocks to help in any way you can. So
if you are a veteran or you know someone who's struggling,
first of all, reach just reach out, and there aren't

(25:02):
there are so many people who want to help you.
But this check would be a great way to honor
any veteran in your life. Old yeo veterans.

Speaker 7 (25:10):
I think we've expanded to first responders to try to
help out with that.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
I'mount one hundred on that.

Speaker 7 (25:14):
But go ahead, and you know, go ahead and put
those nominations in anyway, by the way at les so
you know, you can go to kaclorado dot com slash
contests and you'll see a little link there and then
you can you can put in the nomination stories. This year,
we're letting people do video nominations as well, because somebody,
you know, you don't necessarily want to sit there and
type out the war and piece of nomination stories. Sometimes
and sometimes it's easier just to say it, you know.

(25:35):
So we're letting people do video nominations too if they
want to do that, and accepting those.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
But yeah, we have the money, we have.

Speaker 7 (25:41):
The sponsors, we have the ability to get this money
out to people who need We just don't know who
needs it. So we need you guys to step up
to the plate and tell us who needs it, and
we can get that money out to them and hopefully
make the holiday season just a little bit brighter for
people who need it.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
So I put a link at the very very bottom
of the blog. I put the video that you and
Nick Ferguson did together and linked to the contest page.
So if you can't find it, just let me know
and I'll make sure that you get it. I have
another question, Can people nominate themselves?

Speaker 2 (26:09):
I don't see any reason why not.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Has anyone ever nominated themselves?

Speaker 7 (26:13):
Not till my knowledge, we read all of them, and
I don't remember anyone read I don't remember. I don't recall,
in six years of doing this, recall reading anyone nominating themselves.
And I think that there's kind of a reticence to
maybe do that sometimes, feeling like, you know, right, but yeah,
you're absolutely nominated your If you need help, man, please
feel free to nominated.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
We're not going to do that as this.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Says, ask for help if you need it. Yeah, that's
like the new should be the new motto of the
VA ask for help if you need it.

Speaker 7 (26:39):
There's a billion people waiting to help you, right, and
so yeah, we're not viewing that as there's anything on
you know itself aggrandizement. If you're nominating yourself, I promise you,
and I can understand as a vet how you'd be
hesitant to do that sometimes. But no, please, if you
if you need it, please feel free to nominate yourself.
We'd love to make sure that you know that you've
got the money if you need it.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
I nominate myself for stuff all the time. Most of
it's not stuff I'm qualified for, but you never know.
I tell any I see Trooper of the Year.

Speaker 6 (27:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Maybe I can try, I believe exactly.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Been all right, appreciate you, appreciate this. Thanks for making
time for us to check that out. We will be
right back after this. Danielle Dorensky is still bringing out
evidence of the crimes that have been taking place at
some apartment complexes in Aurora, and the news media is
kind of having to take notice. Now what caught my

(27:29):
own over the weekend. And there's no point in me
playing these videos because they're in Spanish. So in the
first video that she has on her Twitter page, and
I invented all of these in my blog today, So
if you want to see them all in one place
without having a Twitter account, you can do it there.
When I saw the first video that I posted, I

(27:53):
got to tell you, I was sick to my stomach.
I've been posting this stuff and reposting it on x
with the same kind of snarky comment like for an
imaginary gang, they're sure getting a lot of attention. Stuff
like that, because you famously remember that our governor, Governor
Jared Polis said that these gangs were a figment of
Danielle Durinsky's imagination as she was crying for help, trying

(28:13):
to get someone to pay attention to what was going
on and what was being done to her constituents in Aurora. Well,
in this video you can hear them asking a woman
and her husband specifically about sex trafficking in the apartments
and what you learned from this video is that these
gangs of men would sometimes forcefully drag young women, team

(28:39):
women and young women into these empty apartments, where the
neighbors could hear these women screaming all night long. When
are you gonna let me go? When are you gonna
let me go? Some of the neighbors even called the
Aurora Police department and we're told, uh, yeah, okay, or
nobody ever came, or if they did, they said, oh,

(29:00):
it's probably a domestic violence situation. Where are these young
women now? Where are these sex traffic girls? And how
can we be so flippant about it? How can we can?
Why is it? Why is it? You guys that it
is the women who have to continue sounding the alarm

(29:21):
while the men keep standing around telling us there's nothing
to see, there's nothing to see, there's nothing to see.

Speaker 9 (29:27):
Why is that?

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Danielle Drinsky also published a video where they talked to
a tenant and I put tenant in air quotes. This
tenant said that she has information on how to pay
her rent via Zell, but that she's not paying CBC management,
and she talks about how the gang, the gangs were

(29:50):
the ones that she was paying. She also made it
clear that trendy Aragua is paying people off, by the way,
funny story and I linked to on the blog if
you want to watch it. Kyle Clark was forced on
next to admit the existence of these emails that show
that the Arena Police Department was aware and discussing the

(30:12):
Venezuelan gang in June of last year. They knew exactly
what was going on, and in the story they quoted
a police officer saying that tenants of these apartment complexes
had been told by the gang, just the gang, that
if they didn't comply, they would have their families in

(30:34):
Venezuela kilt. But nine News was quick to remind you,
we don't know if this is trend the famous Trenday Arragua.
We just knew it was. Again, well, okay, so let's
just let's see. Let's noodle this out, a rod, work
with me, help me out here, a rod. If I
if I have a gang from Venezuela that's very well
known called Trenda Arragua, and are you following me so far? Okay,

(30:56):
he's following me, yep, he's right there with me. And
then we have people threatening migrants from Venezuela with we're
gonna kill your family in Venezuela. Do you think that's
just a normal Denver gang who's gonna buy a ticket,
fly to Venezuela, find their family and then hurt them,
or would it make more sense that that gang could
perhaps be attached to the very famous gang from Venezuela

(31:20):
trende Arragua makes sense? Yes, okay, I just want to
know if it was just me. But apparently it was
not just me. So Danielle continues to release these videos.
She released the emails that show these guys have taken
over Whispering Pines and have two hundred people working for them.

(31:41):
These guys, who's those guys?

Speaker 10 (31:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Then the video of police contacting two men living in
a quote vacant apartment supposed to be vacant. They've been
paying rent via Venmo. They have the name of the
guy in charge, but he doesn't have a phone so
they can't call in. As soon as they kicked them
out of this apartment, they broke into another apartment and
started squatting there. So, I mean, she's bringing the receipts.

(32:09):
She's just bringing the receipts, you guys, And it's the
fact that we are not having a big conversation like
a press conference with every level of law enforcement saying
here's the problem, here's what we're doing, and here's how
we're taking We're gonna take care of it. But all
of this, it's not that bad. These gangs are a
perfect man of her imagination. Does anybody feel better from that?

(32:31):
The downplaying of the situation. I would much rather have
law enforcement that was empowered to go out and say, yeah,
we've got a gang problem, but we're taking care of it.
Trust us, give us six weeks and we're working on
it at the highest level. I love another pressor in
six weeks to let you know what's going on, but

(32:51):
let us handle this.

Speaker 5 (32:52):
But we're not.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
We're not getting any of that. We've just got to
pooh poohing and downplaying. That's what our elected officials have
been great. I would strongly urge you to go to
the blog today and look at all of these tweets
that Danielle Derinsky has put out, watched the videos so
you can decide for yourself. When you see media coverage
that tries to downplay what actually happened, you go, no,

(33:13):
I actually saw what happened. And by the way, some
of this stuff, the sex trafficking stuff, happened three weeks ago.
Three weeks ago. That's what we're dealing with, and nobody
seems to be taking it seriously except Danielle Drinsky.

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Speaker 3 (33:55):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the second hour of the show
and joining me. Now, I'm very excited to have our
next guest. We've had Dan Gates on before with Colorado Well,
now he's with Colorado Wildlife Deserve Better. We also have
Luke Whydell here and we're talking about the Proposition one
twenty seven that would ban hunting for mountain lions and

(34:17):
other predator cats that live here in Colorado. First of all,
Dan and Luke, welcome to the show.

Speaker 9 (34:25):
Thanks many, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
I'll start with you Dan and Mandy.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yeah, well I'm gonna start with you Dan, and I
just want to ask you to give kind of a
an overview of how the mountain lion population is currently
managed in Colorado and why it needs to be managed
at all.

Speaker 11 (34:45):
Well, it's a great question many and first and foremost,
I'd like to say thanks for having us back on
to continue to educate the public about the intricacies of
not just mountain lion management, but all of Colorado's wildlife resources.
And so when it comes to management of mountaine and
bobcats in the state of Colorado, there's more definitive, science
based information that's been accumulated over the course of the

(35:07):
last fifty five or sixty years because of the way
that the testing is done as far as testing for
the availability for sportsmen and women to be able to
purchase licenses, and then if there's lucky enough to harvest
that lion or a bobcat, then those animals have to
be turned over to the state temporarily through a data
collection survey and you have to file some additional paperwork.

Speaker 9 (35:31):
There's more information that's been.

Speaker 11 (35:32):
Gathered on these two species than anything and the agency
is under the gun just as much as the sportsmen
and women are because the anti extremists, the anti hunting
coalitions don't trust the agency, They don't trust the experts
of Colorada parts of my life, and they don't like
what the sportsmen and women do, which in turn defeats

(35:54):
the measures of what cpw's mission is under the Colorida
Statute of thirty three to one one oh one.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Well, Dan, let me ask you a question about who
works for Parks and Wildlife, because I had a super
cool experience last winter where I got to go with
some Parks and Wildlife guys to annegal and put some
baby bears into an artificial debt, and in just chatting
with the people that were there, almost all actually all
of them have some kind of degree, and a lot
of them have degrees and you know, biology and things

(36:23):
of that nature. Tell me a little bit about the
people that are making these decisions at Colorado Parks and Wildlife.

Speaker 11 (36:31):
Well, honestly, the people that make the decisions for CPW
are some of the most thoughtfully minded, educated individuals when
it comes to their specific field of expertise, whether it's
the avian side or the mammalian side, and the mammals
or the aquatic side, maybe it's threatening in dangerous species,
whether it's non game or whatever. These are some of

(36:51):
the most educated individuals in the country and the extremist
groups are trying to make sure that they don't get
their say from an educated standpoint, but the degrees and
the boots on the ground, that experience that these individuals
have is second to none. I mean, there's multiple other
states that rely on cpw's data and peer reviewed science

(37:12):
and studies to be able to provide that information to
give kind of a launching pad at a variety of
different levels. Because we're so diversified in Colorado, not only
for the landscape and the habitat, but for the wildlife
as well. And so when people dedicate their lives to
a career to do what's best for wildlife and they
see that it's being attacked and assaulted by people that

(37:32):
just don't want it to happen, period, it kind of
degrades and erodes the mentality of why they got into
the game and why they're playing at the level they're
playing to make.

Speaker 9 (37:40):
Our wildlife resource resources so well managed.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Look, I want to ask you this question, what happens
if we stop hunting mountain lions? Because every year the
population is assessed, decisions are made by these people were
just talking about with Dan about what would be a
good number to call from the overall population. So if
we pass one twenty seven, what happens next in terms

(38:05):
of what happens to the population of mountain lions.

Speaker 10 (38:11):
Well, I can't actually answer that question, but I think
a better a better way to try and answer it
is to simply say that in nineteen sixty five, when
we classified mountain lions as big game species, we had
less than two hundred of them in Colorado, and to
date we have an estimated forty four hundred at build
mountain lions. And so, you know, I point that out

(38:32):
because the better way to answer that question is to say,
what happens if we take this management tool, regulated hunting
away from Colorado Parks and Wildlife as the experts. And
so what happens then, which is exactly what the proponents
of initiative or of Proposition one twenty seven are trying
to do, is take away the management ability through activism,

(38:52):
take away the expert, science based, data driven management ability
of Colorado Parks and wildlife. And once you remove that
piece of the puzzle, well, I mean anything is you know,
anything is possible in terms of the erosion of how
we manage wildlife in the state. And I would say
that you know, all of us at the Rocky Mount

(39:12):
Elk Foundation and all the groups that are part of
opposing this vowel initiative are pro wildlife extremely though, and
we're pro mountain lion at the Rocking moount Elk Foundation.
Our mission is to ensure the future of elk and
other wildlife in our hunting heritage. Well, the other wildlife
part of that includes mountain lion, and so we need

(39:33):
to endorse, to support, and to really prop up the
experts in their ability to balance all nine hundred and
sixty one species of wildlife.

Speaker 9 (39:41):
In our state.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
What happens if the big game classification and what you're
talking about is that when they were assigned a big
game classification in Colorado, that opened them up to hunting.
So we've gone from two hundred before they were hunted
to forty four hundred after they were hunted. Seems like
the population is doing better. But what are the other
ramifications of that looke of losing that classification when it

(40:04):
comes to ranchers who have animals taken by mountain lions.

Speaker 9 (40:10):
Yeah, so when we.

Speaker 10 (40:11):
Classify them as big game, I'll that down take the
agricultural part of this. That question but when we classify
them as a big game species, we manage them with
care as you know under that classification. So what that
means is todate in the state of Colorado, you have
to take not only do you have to be one
hundred education certified, you also have to take a Mountain
Lion certification course. You have to know all the laws, rules, regulations.

(40:34):
You have to prepare the meat for human consumption, so
that has to be brought out of the field, and
then you have to check in that line. You have
to report the harvest, and you have to check in
the lion to a CPW office so that all the
data and science can be gathered from the animal. It
can be sexed and aged, and through that careful surgical
management system, we've been able to grow our lion population

(40:57):
so the most robust line populations possible in the state.
In the state, I might add with with nearly six
million people. Now, what also happens when they lose their
big game classification is that ranchers when they experience a LASS,
are unable to then file a claim with CPW against
against that lass if it were a mountain lion uh

(41:20):
depredation situation, and you know the proponent.

Speaker 9 (41:23):
I'll let Dan elaborate this on on that.

Speaker 10 (41:25):
But the proponents of the initiatives that have recognized in
a public interview I just heard last week, have recognized
that issue. And their answer to that is simply, oh, yeah,
but the legislature will fix that with a stroke of
a pen next session. And so they're even admitting that
there's a problem here, but don't worry, the legislature will
fix it.

Speaker 11 (41:43):
Dan.

Speaker 10 (41:43):
Dan can elaborate on that a little.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Dan, What are what are they?

Speaker 9 (41:47):
One of the biggest things? Go ahead, Oh, no, you go, Dan, No.

Speaker 11 (41:53):
One of the one of the biggest things, I think
is the fallacy that the oponents of this particular issue
have crossed all their t's and dotted all their eyes.
I mean, what they want is to get rid of
multiple forms of hunting. It doesn't matter whether it's about
mountain lions or bobcats. And you can tell that by
the ballot language itself. When they're talking about releasing or

(42:17):
discharging of a firearm, or intentionally stalking or pursuing or
intentionally killing something, there's no mention about trophy in any measure,
any way, shape or forming this measure, especially in the title.
Their definition of trophy hunting in the measure happens to
be the definition of hunting to intentionally kill, wound, stalk, pursuing,
and trap by discharging or releasing of a deadly weapon.

(42:40):
Those are things that the rancher has done historically, and
to Luke's point.

Speaker 9 (42:46):
Going all the way back to nineteen sixty five.

Speaker 11 (42:48):
Prior to sixty five, mountain lions were created as treated
as a nuisance, as a pest, and so they could
be shot at will. And once the sportsmen and women
of that time in the or A Game and Fish
Department decided to classify them as a big game edimle,
they became more coveted, they became more recognized as a
suitable component of the ecosystem and the landscape, and sportsmen

(43:11):
and women helped do that.

Speaker 9 (43:12):
The antis didn't do that. Now, the antis want to.

Speaker 11 (43:15):
Take that classification away and disrupt the management of not
just the two species of concern on this particular measure,
but all the other species that rely on them, or
the species that the mountain lions.

Speaker 9 (43:26):
And bobcats rely on them themselves.

Speaker 11 (43:28):
It's not as easy to just turn around and taking
two pieces out and say it's all going to be good.
You take two pieces out, it's going to affect the
agency's ability to do a lot more.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
I understand that there is a published letter with two
hundred signatories against this. Tell me about that.

Speaker 11 (43:47):
So that's the Colorado Wildlife Employees Protective Association. First time
since nineteen forty seven that that particular organization, which is
the I guess it's kind of the unionized part of
what CPW has for employees. Since since nineteen forty seven,
they've never come out in any sort of opposition one
way or another as far as a legislative piece of

(44:08):
action or a ballot initiative or anything. And so I
mean it's I think we think it's a monumental step
to say, look, we're the experts.

Speaker 9 (44:17):
Enough is enough.

Speaker 11 (44:18):
We need to be a scientist, we need to rely
on the data, and we want people to recognize that
we take our job seriously and we're doing the best
that we possibly can for all wildlife in the state
of Colorado, including the people and the visitors alike.

Speaker 9 (44:30):
Just like what the statute says, well, I mean, it.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Makes perfect sense to me. My worry here is that
we're going to have the same thing happen that happened
with Wolfe reintroduction that essentially it's going to be a
bunch of front you know, front range animal lovers who
are never going to have their pets eaten by a
mountain lion, right. You know, they live in the middle
of the city. They don't They don't really have to
worry about that. But for people like me who live

(44:53):
in the urban rural interface type areas, this is something
I worry about a lot. And so I'm hoping that
we will let rational heads and educated minds make decisions
about this like they've been doing since the nineteen sixties.
And Luke Whydell and Dan Gates, I appreciate you guys
continuing to make the rounds on this issue, but I

(45:13):
hope it goes down in flames what have you guys,
I mean, you have a sense on where this balant
induship is.

Speaker 11 (45:23):
I think right now we're in a position of a
thirty thousand foot holding pattern. We can tell by the
sentiment of the voters and the interested individuals that we
have spoken with that there's a deep concern and that's
from kind of the middle of the rooters, the unaffiliated
non hunters, that they have a deep concern because they've
been able to watch the wolf debacle, the conundrum that's

(45:45):
been created over the last four years since twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Yeah, well let's go. Well, go ahead, Luke.

Speaker 10 (45:54):
I was just going to add that, you know, it's
very helpful and hopeful for us to point out to voters,
especially the ones who have not voted yet, that you know,
people trust CPW, they trust our our management system, they
trust the expert wildlife managers, and you know, there are there,
there are there's data out there that suggests that seventy

(46:15):
maybe even closer to eighty percent of Colorados and just
normal everyday coloratins is supportive of hunting and fishing. And
so to have the employees Association come out and do
at least what they can do while they while the
agency itself cannot take a position on a ballot initiative
unless the governor does so. By the way, he's neutral
on this one or says he is. You know, it's

(46:37):
encouraging for us to see that in this undercurrent of
them supporting and endorsing their own system of scientific data
driven the scientific management.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
So I have someone on our blog asking how do
they hunt mountain lions because that is their area of concern.

Speaker 11 (46:57):
Well, the most effective way to hunt mountain wine is
the same way that they actually capture mountain lions for
data collection, and that's for the use of hounds. And
that's an age old tradition that's been incorporated since since
man decided to domesticate dogs. But the utilization of hounds
through science allows the agency to determine specific quotas the

(47:19):
method of take when they get into specific areas that
they're dealing with the sexing or the aging of specific lions.
Because of Luke mentioned, you have to take a test
be able to be qualified enough to be able to
purchase a license. But people need to understand that the
dogs themselves are a tool and they're no different than
a bird hunter using a dog to flush a pheasants

(47:40):
or a quail. Are no different than the waterfowl hunter
or that are a beagal owner that is chasing a rabbit.
Dogs are a tool in the hunting sport, but when
it comes to lions, dogs are the best tool to
be able to turn around and adapt your management objectives
through quotas, being able to determine the specific age and

(48:01):
the sex and be able to maintain what the agency
deems necessary and there again what the agency them is
necessary about the nuances of the caveats, and be able
to determine what's best for the mountain lion populations as
a whole, not one individual lion, but the entire species.
So when we get into the discussions about whether they
should or whether they shouldn't, mountain lion harvest is around

(48:24):
nineteen percent of the total license purchased through mountain lion licenses.
That you know, after the guys take the test, after
they turn around and go out and attempt to harvest
the lion, it's a nineteen percent success rate. So the
proponents of this measure say that that's one hundred percent guarantee.

Speaker 9 (48:41):
Nothing could be further from the truth.

Speaker 11 (48:43):
That's the way that CPW is able to collect that
data to be able to turn around and do what
they need to. Hounds are the most efficient, effective, humane
way to be able.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
To do that.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
All right, So this person said, Mandy, you should ask
him why they use dogs and bait. That's why some
of us are skeptical. Doesn't seem like hunting. Is there
another way to hunt mountain lions other than stalking them
through the woods.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
I guess.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
I mean, I I've been throughout my life. I have
hunted with dogs for various animals, for a variety of things.
And when you hunt for raccoons, you use the dogs
to treat the raccoons. I mean, this is not outrageous
to me. I guess to some people it does seem outrageous.

Speaker 10 (49:27):
I would say, Mandy too. Bait's not legal in the
state of Colorado to use, okay. And you know, I
would also add that in states that have banned hound
hunting of lions, the rate of female harvests is much higher,
up to sixty percent higher in those states because you
have you don't have you have. It's much more of

(49:49):
an incidental take. And so people, you know, the proponents
of the initiative will say things like, well, they're they're
they're killing too many females and things like that. Again,
it's illegal to hill a nursing female, and the best
way to see that is when you're up close to
that female. You can sect the line, you can age
the line, so to speak, and you can there are

(50:10):
parameters which we must follow. And so you know, the
incidental take in states with states which don't allow hounds.
Is it's much more indiscriminate.

Speaker 9 (50:21):
I should say.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
That makes perfect sense to me. I'm just trying to
get all the information out there. Prop One twenty seven,
in my opinion, would be an unmitigated disaster. I especially
after having the opportunity to meet some of the men
and women who are doing the job for Colorado Parks
and Wildlife, I am incredibly impressed by two things. Number one,
their knowledge level is insane, and number two, their passion

(50:44):
for the animals in the state and making sure that
those animals have the ability to live out their fullest
lives possible is palpable when you meet them, and I
trust them a whole lot better than I trust a
whole bunch of front range liberals anyway, Luke Wrdell and
Dan Gates, I appreciate I appreciate you guys so much
for coming on and talking about this one more time.

Speaker 9 (51:06):
Thanks Mandy, appreciate it all right.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Thanks guys, and again no on one twenty seven. If
you have not filled up your ballot yet, then if
you need help, I have my ballot guide. I linked
it on the blog today and you can go look.
You may not agree with everything I got a lot
of people who are at odds with me about Prop
one thirty one, that is ranked choice voting, And I understand,

(51:28):
I understand if you love party politics, prop one thirty
one is not going to be right for you. But
I want to respond to those of you who say,
if Prop one thirty one gets past, Republicans will never
get elected again. Who's in power now, who holds every

(51:50):
lever of power at the state level, who holds the
vast majority of the seats in the Senate and the House.
I mean, what do you guys think, Is you think
that's going to get better all of a sudden with
Dave Williams and his ILK in charge. They can't run
people out of the party fast enough. So I'm looking
for something new and different on that I'm trying to

(52:15):
I think I have text messages coming in for someone
else's program. Ralph says, hunting mountain lions without dogs won't
manage them at all. I trust CPW and coming from me,
a limited government guy says something so thank you. The
other size emphasizes the bait. It is illegal to bait
in Colorado. I didn't know that. That's something I learned
just now. They should have been saying this a month

(52:38):
or two ago, letting people know this side so they
can make an educated choice. Some people have already voted.
I've had Dan on the show before about this issue.
We've talked about this issue before.

Speaker 6 (52:47):
You guys.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
We do the best we can to not inundate you
constantly with election stuff because I'm sick of it. Hey, Rod,
are you sick of it? Are you thick yet?

Speaker 2 (52:56):
The amount of stuff I've gotten?

Speaker 6 (52:58):
The mail?

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Oh my goodness. You know what we should do. We
should create some kind of art installation with nothing but
political mailers. We should have everybody like we should get
We should get together. I'll call my friend Lyoma love Growth.
She's an artist, and I'll ask her where she gets
her giant canvases, and we'll make a giant canvas. And
then we'll come together and we'll get caught glue and

(53:20):
scissors and we'll make some kind of artwork with nothing
but political mailers that are full of lies, absolutely full
of lies. Do you know what I'm gonna start asking
every congressional candidate when they come on the show, would
you run a bill that would make it that would
subject politicians to the same finds and penalties that I

(53:41):
am subject to if I lie in advertising. Let's just
do that. Let's start with that, because that has got
to stop, because you know what, years and years ago,
it's not that campaign commercials have ever been like, you know,
paragons of virtue and always truth telling. But years ago,
I think you could believe in some of them, and

(54:01):
now we have a lot of older people who still
think those times are now and they are not anything
you see between now in the election, I would immediately
think it was a lie from either side. From either side,
just as a matter of fact. When we get back,
let's talk for a minute about how MSNBC and other
left wing media outlets, including The New York Times covered

(54:21):
the Trump rally at Madison Square Gardens this weekend. It
is amazing what they think of you, the voter. I
know there are people who sit around and watch Trump rallies.
I am not one of them. I don't watch Kamala
Harris rallies. I'm not a rally person. If I have
the opportunity to go hear a politician speak in a
small environment, I will absolutely do it. But just like

(54:43):
I'm not going any more stadium concerts, I'm not going
to any rallies in Madison Square Garden. There's just too
many people for my taste. Going to the RNC and
the DNC was perfectly fine for me. I feel like
we went to the pinnacle of rallies, of the hometown rallies.
Right that being said, when I got up and started
looking around, I was mentioning I checked the Drudge Report

(55:05):
every Monday. That is my weekly check on the Drudge Report.
And I don't see the point until this is over,
because the headlines on the drudg Report today were ridiculous,
absolutely ridiculous. Night of one thousand Magas fell in in
his flock, Tucker descends into media speaker calls. Here is

(55:28):
the anti christ spectacle of eight. The New York Times
covered the rally thusly the headline Trump at the Garden, Oh,
I don't care about your privacy, Trump at the Garden,
A closing carnival of grievances, misogyny, and racism. The inflammatory
rally was a capstone for an increasingly aggrieved campaign for

(55:49):
Donald Trump's rhetoric has grown darker and more menacing. The
problem is, you, guys, is that we've heard insert publican
name here is Hitler. It's like it just bounces off, now,
you know what I mean. I always tell people this,
the first time you're called a name, and it doesn't

(56:11):
have to be an accurate name. I mean, I've been
called a misogynist, which I found really kind of funny
because I am a woman. But hey, you know what, whatever,
the first time someone calls you a nasty name, calls
you a racist or a xenophobe or whatever they're throwing
at you, the first time, it hurts. The five hundredth time,
you just laugh because it's so stupid. And the whatever

(56:33):
Republican is running for president is Hitler has been played out.
It really has. We are no longer giving it any credence.
Now people are openly mocking it. People are starting to say,
wait a minute. I went to a Trump rally and
everyone was lovely. Everyone was nice to me, everyone was
really excited to have me there. And so the more

(56:56):
that people and by people I mean Drudge Report, I
mean MSNBC see, the more that they try to tell
us that you know, he's literal Hitler MSNBC and I
put this on the blog today. You can see it
at Mandy's blog dot com. MSNBC actually did a segment
where they segued from images of the rally at Madison

(57:18):
Square Garden into images of a Hitler rally. That is
what MSNBC did last night. So the hyperbole is is
backfiring spectacularly. They have cried wolf far and well, they've
cried Hitler far too often. Right, and we all know
what happened to the little boy who cried wolf when

(57:40):
an actual wolf showed up. Nobody believed him, and everybody
got eaten. Well he got eaten or whoever somebody got
eaten in that fairy tale, Andy Rod find out who
got eaten in the in the boy who cried wolf.
I don't know if it's the actual boy or somebody
who's supposed to be taken care of. I feel like
he was babysitting. E can't remember. But the reality is this.

(58:03):
The people on the left, and I'm talking about the
elite left here, I'm talking about the people in the media,
they really believe that all of those people, the over
twenty thousand people that were packed into Madison Square Gardens,
the thousands and thousands of people outside that didn't get in.
Texter said GPS, A total of ninety eight thousand, six

(58:25):
hundred and seventy eight mobile devices were at or in
the immediate vicinity of Trump's Madison Square Garden rally. Just
under twenty thousand were in the venue itself, and the
balance were outside watching. Forty seven percent had never attended
to Trump rally. People are deciding to look for themselves,
and they're not seeing what what other people are seeing.

(58:46):
So I guess some comedian last night said that Puerto
Rico was a garbage dump, and all of these people
who moved from Puerto Rico to New York are apparently
super mad about this guy. I love Puerto Rico. I
love the food. It is a stunningly beautiful island, and

(59:07):
it is horribly corrupt. It is absolutely mismanaged. I'm pretty
sure that if it became the fiftieth state or fifty
first state right now, it would it would immediately be
the poorest state in the country. They had a hurricane
years ago, Hurricane Maria, and they have never been able
to fix the electrical grid since then. They have giant

(59:29):
piles of garbage that they don't know what to do with.
And in the meantime, the FBI arrested six of seventy
mayors and thirty other public officials for skimming thirty million
dollars off the top of public funds. It is an
absolute garbage jump in the way it's run, and if
talking about it helps solutions for it. Because Puerto Rico

(59:51):
should be a tourist destination. It should be the place
that in the United States in February when people are like, God,
I'd like to go to a where I don't have
to be hassled about my passport. That should be Puerto Rico.
It's gorgeous, but it is so badly mismanaged, terribly mismanaged.

(01:00:12):
But I don't know what the comedian said last night.
I meant to look it up and I forgot because
I don't care that much.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
He said, I don't remember the exact quote.

Speaker 6 (01:00:18):
It was something about a garbage like dump in the
middle of the ocean, oh, also called Puerto Rico, I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Think, is what he said.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Yeah, yeah, that would be. That's not how I would
put it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:31):
Garay a floating island of garbage aka Puerto Rico or
something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Got you. There are approximately twenty nine operating landfills in
Puerto Rico, the majority of which are beyond capacity, so
they actually.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
Do have.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Maintenances poor and exposed trash blows from the landfill. The
dump also releases foul smelling liquid known as leech eight,
to the tune of least four million gallons per year.

Speaker 6 (01:01:01):
The actual quote, verbatim, I don't know if you guys
know this, but there's literally a floating island of garbage
in the middle of the ocean right now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
I think it's called Puerto Rico.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Ah, gotcha, this is what he said, gotcha. Yeah. The
problem is is that there are tons of news articles
from left leaning thing Puerto Rico struggles with growing garbage problem.
An unfortunate thing about Puerto Rico's beautiful beaches is that
there sometimes have a lot of garbage on them. I
mean you guys, yeah, yeah, from PBS dot org Beyond

(01:01:34):
Debt Default and Zica Puerto Rico struggles as trash piles up. Interesting.
Interesting that how that was spun to prove that, you know,
Trump is some kind of Nazi obviously, I mean, how
could he not be? How just how could someone that popular,
that brings that many people that the other team really

(01:01:54):
doesn't want to get elected? How how could they have
a rally that big that enthusias By the way, have
you guys heard about Kamala Harris's upcoming speech at the
Ellipse And it's going to be this is going to
be the punctuation mark on her candidacy. Do you know
how many people they're expecting at her biggest speech. They've

(01:02:15):
got a permit for seventy five hundred. She drew thirty
thousand in Atlanta when Beyonce was there, and then when
Beyonce announced she wasn't singing, the crowd booed and started leaving.
I mean, it's going to be hard to believe that
there wasn't some monkey business just based on voter enthusiasm.

(01:02:35):
As I see it. Right now, we'll be right back.
Sarah Parody is leading the charge to defund the city's
street Engagement Team in the next budget. Now, lest you
think that Sarah Parody is some kind of heartless person
who doesn't care about homelessness, that is not it at all.
Sarah Parody just says the street Engagement team, which is

(01:02:56):
designed by the way, to connect with the home. As
a matter of fact, let me read this statement from
the City of Denver about the Street Engagement Team the
Street Engagement Team connects individuals with services and support while
allowing law enforcement to focus on higher priority calls for service.
SET members save lives by administering NARCAN, transporting individuals to

(01:03:19):
shelter and dangerous weather, and building relationships and trust with
folks to help them towards better situations. SET is a
crucial tool in our work to address unsheltered homelessness, and
we look forward to continued engagement about this critical service.
The problem is it doesn't work, Sarah Parody said. They

(01:03:40):
will essentially just tell the person to move along. It's
fairly rare for them to make a connection to a resource,
and when they do, it's usually over to another city team,
so you're just kind of duplicating and bouncing people around.
She wants to move the nearly one million dollars spent
on the SET team and its twelve members into other
branches of the city, such as the Department of Housing Stability.

(01:04:02):
She wants to move that over million dollars almost million dollars,
rather into departments that can actually affect real positive outcomes.
So she even said, look, you can't train these people
on better outreach methods. It's just not feasible. Don't want
to commend her for looking at a program that's well intentioned,

(01:04:26):
because it is. You read that nice statement from the
City of Denver. It's well intentioned program, but intentions are
not results. And somebody asked me a long time ago,
and this is not original to me, And if I
could remember who told me this in the first place,
I would give them credit. But I've just been saying
it for so long I don't know who I stole
it from originally. And that is the difference between conservatives

(01:04:48):
and liberals is that liberals are looking for equal outcomes.
Excuse me. Liberals based things based on intentions. Conservatives look
for outcomes bolts. Intentions are not enough. Wanting to solve
a problem is great, but you don't get credit for
solving the problem because you want to solve the problem.

(01:05:09):
And Sarah Parody is recognized that this particular effort is
not yielding results. So why not take that money and
move it into concrete places where you can actually say, look,
we can use that million bucks and you can actually
house people. So it's very interesting. But I just wanted
to take a second to commend a person in government

(01:05:33):
for wanting to get rid of a thing in government.
It doesn't work because it happens so infrequently and real quick.
I've got news about a new movie that features a
section about a former KOA talk show host, Alan Burke.
Alan Burke, of course, murdered by a white supremacist outfit

(01:05:55):
called the Order. And now there is a movie about
that organization, and it portrays the murder of Alan Bergh.
And I guess in the beginning of the movie. I'm
kind of excited about it. The movie that is, it
is starring Jude Law. It'll get the full red carpet

(01:06:17):
treatment from the Denver Film Festival with a November eighth
screening at the Ellie Cowkins, followed by its national theatrical
relief on December sixth. So if you were a fan
of Allen's and want to see him get a little
hat tip, then you can watch the order of the
movie a Rod. Are there any movies you're excited about
seeing coming up right now? Because it's about the Oscar movie.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Time, well, the Nerd and me, the new Venom movie.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
What is that coming out?

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
It's out? Okay, okay, see that, But other than that, nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
I've talked to my mom. She saw the conclave over
the weekend about a very challenging time in the Catholic Church,
and she said it was outstanding. And I think this
the order is designed to get Oscar buzz. So now
the movies that are coming out from here to the
end of the year, they are here for a chance
to win an award next year, and I'm here for it.
I think I want to go back to the movies.

(01:07:07):
I miss the movies.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
See you, I know, I'm ready.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
I'm ready. Well, I mean I can go to a
matinee right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
True, much cheaper too. That's actually off movie.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
I'm in.

Speaker 9 (01:07:17):
I'm in.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
When's the cutoff?

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Usually the four pm and beyond like four four fifteen.
Sometimes that's a matinee. Sometimes it isn't, you know. Just
kind of check it out, like midweek you can get
a four pm for a matinee ticket. Just throwing that
out there, I think, what do I know, I haven't
been in the movies in years. Older southern men, a
lot of them farmers and some big rural area we covered,
and I would say something like, look, you know, if

(01:07:42):
you get this Medicare supplement, then all of your bills
when you go to the doctor are covered right, because
there's different kinds of Medicare supplements, and they would go,
why am I going to the doctor. I'm like, well,
what if you get sick, I don't care. I'm going
out of the south toes out meeting. They're going to
go out on a stretcher dead. And I never understood
that mentality, like what are you afraid of finding out

(01:08:03):
that you have a disease you can manage or finding
out you have a disease you can't. And I think
it's the second part. A lot of men do not
want to think about their own their own mortality. And
by the way, I'm men, I'm not just picking on you.
There's a lot of people who cannot even fathom their
own mortality. They really can't. It's too scary, it's too overwhelming.

(01:08:23):
But I think for some men, they would rather just
die of cancer than find out they had cancer and
then be expected to go through chemo and everything else.
Not all men, not all men by any stretch of
the imagination. But if you find out you have high
blood pressure, do two things. Lose weight. That's thing number one.
Take the medication you need to take until you lose weight,

(01:08:44):
and listen to your doctors on all.

Speaker 6 (01:08:46):
This stuff and bigger picture, you have to know when
to turn off the type A and be emotional and
be sensitive and be someone that doesn't just puff check.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
I'm just trying. I'm just trying to get them to
take their blood pressure. Mads. That's a bridge too far,
e Rod. What you're talking about baby steps?

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Baby steps? Baby steps are a long time goal.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Yeah. And here's the kicker.

Speaker 12 (01:09:07):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
I may not be speaking for all wives, or all
daughters or all sisters, but we'd like you around. That's
what I tell my husband all the time. If I
hated him, I wouldn't nag him about what he eats.
The problem is I love him and I want him
around as long as I can have him.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Yeah, well, you know when Chuck is.

Speaker 6 (01:09:27):
When Chuck is welcoming the potential to get trucked over
for people to chug an entire whatever six pack whatever
he was saying, him welcoming that with a beer bet,
probably isn't going to extend the lifespan.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
What No, there's no beer bets.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
He not see that video.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
No, oh no, no, no, he came up with a
drinking game. Yes it is. He doesn't drink beer.

Speaker 6 (01:09:48):
Though no, I'm not saying him now, but he was welcoming. Hey,
you know if we get run over.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Yeah, you don't want to get run over by NFL
player there, Chucky.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
He did not. By the way, do you parabola? Yeah,
he's It was easy to see. He said, what was
I doing? I said, you were walking with Authority podcast.

Speaker 6 (01:10:05):
But all I didn't even know yet until that video
what color shirt Chuck was wearing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
And I still was like, their stuck. Yeah, founderstands there
he is.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Yeah there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
I wonder who that big tall guy is exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
I love this text message, be a story, put some
dirt on it and you'll be fine, huh, or you'll
be dead, well before you need to be dead. We'll
be right back.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Monday's at three this football season, joined Big Al, Ryan
Edwards and Dave Logan at the Sporty Pickle on Peoria.
I have my own north of E four seventy. You
mentioned Big Al anytime and get a free twenty ounce Peer.
It's the official helm of the Broncos and the Sporty
PICKLEKOA and I.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Have an article that that is indicative of two issues.
Number one, I have no faith in certain governmental institutions,
and right at the top of that list is the
USDA when it comes to a kind of dietary guidelines
they give us because the USDA food guidelines are bought

(01:11:06):
and paid for by big food. And I have been
listening to a podcast with and I've got to get
these people on the air. As a matter of fact,
a rod remind me out right after the show. Do
not remind me, now, remind me as soon as the
show is over that I would like to reach out
to the people in this podcast from Tucker Carlson who

(01:11:27):
are talking about big food, big Pharma and the influence
that they have. Do you know one of the biggest
owners to the American diabetes And now don't do not
remind me right now?

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Do not the end of the show, at the end
of the program.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
No, you're supposed to remind me at the end of
the show.

Speaker 6 (01:11:43):
Okay, one of the biggest crumbles the end of the show.
Don't forget that thing about the podcast people.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
Okay, all right, you are so helpful. I mean, there's
never been a producer as helpful as Anthony.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Damn right now.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Anyway, So the biggest funder to one of the biggest funders.
The American Diabetes Association is Coca Cola. Here's your diabetes juice,
and then we're going to donate to this organization that's
going to tell you how to keep drinking coke but
then not get diabetes. Good luck with that. That being said,
I don't trust the USDA. I don't trust the food

(01:12:23):
Pyramid as far as I can throw it. We all
got fat after they told us to give up all
the fats because some one scientist speculated that fat was
the issue. That is not the issue, you guys. Fat
is not the problem. But when I saw this, I
just straight up eye rolled this from the Wall Street Journal,
and yes, you guys, I just realized it was paywalled.

(01:12:43):
I thought it wasn't earlier, but it is paywald But
trust me, you don't want to read it anyway. The
headline the battle brewing over how much red meat you eat.
Scientists advising the government have drafted recommendations that would tell
Americans to limit red meat. Now, I actually I did
something that a lot of people did not do. I
scrolled down to check into who these actual scientists were. Right.

(01:13:09):
One of the scientists in question is a Stanford scientist
and this Stanford scientist. I did a quick look to
see what he was all about and from his own
web page on Stanford's on Stanford's site, his credibility, in

(01:13:30):
my mind, has called into question by this section. In
the past few years, the interests of my research group
have shifted to include three additional areas of inquiry. One
of these is stealth nutrition. The central hypothesis driving this
is that in order for a more effective and impactful
dietary improvements to be realized, health professionals need to consider

(01:13:54):
adding non health related approaches to their toolboxes of strategies.
This is where it gets good. Examples would be connections
between food and number one global warming and climate change,
number two animal rights and welfare, and number three human
labor abuses e g. Slaughterhouses. As an example, a Summer

(01:14:20):
Food in Farm camp runs in collaboration with the Santa
Clara United School Districts since twenty eleven. Every year, one
hundred and twenty five kids five to fourteen years of
age come for a one week summer camp to ten harvest, chop,
cook and eat vegetables and play. Because it's summer camp,
the objective is to study the factors influencing behaviors and

(01:14:40):
preferences that lead to maximizing vegetable consumption in kids. So
to be clear that people behind this you need to
eat less red meat are the people that are telling
us we don't need to eat any meat. They're just
trying to get us there. So yeah, yeah, I I
don't trust anything that the government says about nutrition at all,

(01:15:06):
and they have earned this distrust through the years, and
I don't trust anything they say. I truly don't. I
don't trust the FDA, which is just a bunch of
recycled drug executives whose motivation is to rubber stamp as
much medication as they can, the medical establishment that doesn't
learn anything about nutrition and divides the body up into

(01:15:29):
separate parts so they can either operate or medicate. I
don't trust any of them, but they've earned it. They've
absolutely earned it. So yeah, we will be working on
getting k C and CALLI means that's who it is,
a rod you're writing this down, Casey, and CALLI c
A L L E Y means mea NS that's who

(01:15:50):
we're getting on the show. Because I got to tell
you their conversation with Tucker Crlson is mind blowing, truly
mind blowing. All Right, when we get back, heidigan All
has been asking some very pointed questions about election security.
She's not making accusations, She's asking questions that, frankly, I
think need to be answered. And I got some answers
from Matt Crane from the Clerk's Association earlier today. We're

(01:16:11):
going to talk about that next. You may recall that
heidiegan All was on the show a month, no, a
few weeks ago. It's all running together as a blur
during election season, asking some questions about certain things that
she had seen or was concerned about when it came
to our election integrity. And now she's out again saying, hey,

(01:16:33):
can we have a conversation about this? And I thought
i'd bring her back on because there are some local
newspapers who are given her crap about asking the questions. Heidi,
welcome back to the show.

Speaker 13 (01:16:42):
First of all, Hey, Mandy, it's great to be on.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Well, let's talk about the questions that you are asking
and why you are asking them. Okay, let's start with that,
because I had a conversation with Matt Crane from the
Colorado Clerks Association. He was on Ross's show today specifically
about some of these issues. But I want to know
why they came to your radar in the first place,
and why you decided to say, look, we need to
talk about this. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:17:10):
Many Well, after my election in twenty two, it's been
two years, I decided to just take a look into
some of the things I was hearing on the campaign trail,
people's concerns. Because twenty five percent of Republicans did not
show up to vote in that election. A lot of
that was because of their concerns around the elections. So
I just said, let's just dig in and see. And
so Kurt Hoffman and I asked for a recount in

(01:17:31):
Douglas County in his race because his numbers were really
odd and he's the only Republican that didn't win in
that county and he was in an rplus ten districts,
so he should have won by ten points. So we
start digging in and we got I mean, we got
blocked every which way to Sunday, and that's a Republican county,
and we were getting blocked from asking questions, getting access
to information.

Speaker 13 (01:17:52):
So we kept digging.

Speaker 8 (01:17:52):
A hired an attorney and we were able to after
a year do a pretty full audit of paper ballots
in that county.

Speaker 13 (01:18:00):
We scanned over eighty three thousand of them.

Speaker 8 (01:18:02):
But what came up were things that we weren't necessarily
looking at, like drop boxes are not as secure as
we like to think, the US Post Office invoicing was
not matching. Undeliverable ballots are not tracked well, and that's
the law they have to be. We found that there
was remote Wi Fi access in Douglas County's voting system,
and the clerk said there is not, and the county

(01:18:25):
attorney said there is not when we asked them face
to face, But when we looked at the purchase records
of the equipment, we found that it was, and they
had to end up admitting that it was. And then
Matt Crane eventually admitted that there were twelve counties that
had remote access in their voting systems after Jennick Griswold
said absolutely not. It's all removed in the trusted build,

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it's stripped of any access.

Speaker 13 (01:18:48):
She said that in twenty twenty.

Speaker 8 (01:18:50):
So fast forward to now and what's happening in Mesa
County with these three votes that were put through the
system that leads to another issue, which is signal verification,
and there's all kinds of issues with signature verification. I
didn't even bring that up when I did my press
conference because I was kind of I was trying to
keep being simple and address things that we could fix.

Speaker 13 (01:19:11):
Before the election. But this is a whole new bag
of worms.

Speaker 9 (01:19:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
I want to address a couple of things because I
asked him specifically about a couple of these issues. And
I want to talk for a second about the undeliverable
ballots and the reconciliation that the various organizations get. And
one of the things that Matt told me was those
undeliverable numbers also include undeliverable male, just general male. So
he said, those numbers are never going to match. They're

(01:19:40):
never going to be the same because they don't separate
out the ballots from the undeliverable mail. So is there
any other information other than that about there being undeliverable male?
What else is happening there?

Speaker 13 (01:19:56):
Yes, there's two big issues with what he said.

Speaker 8 (01:19:58):
One is the law requires that the post office bill
the county, invoice the county for every undeliverable ballot that
they handle. That's technically how they're accounting for all the
undeliverable ballots they're getting back. If they are not doing
that and breaking it out so that it's easy to
understand for the clerk, that is an issue in itself.

(01:20:19):
But what Bob Cooper found when he dug in was
it's actually really easy to tell by the weighting of
the items in the invoice which ones are ballots. And
I can send you an example of this or tweet
it out so everybody can see. It's not complicated to
see in the invoiceing how you can break it out.
So that's not accurate. But really it comes down to
it's the law that they are supposed to track these

(01:20:42):
undeliverable ballots. And we found thirty thousand that were unaccounted
for in nine counties. That's not okay, Like, what's happening
to these ballots?

Speaker 9 (01:20:51):
Who knows?

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
So you guys use the actual invoices that have the
weight So you pulled out the balloting from the undeliverable mail.
That's where you came up with that number.

Speaker 8 (01:21:01):
Yes, you can look at the invoicing or it's called
a ballot. I can't remember the name of it. A
ballot reconciliation document and you can actually see how it's
split out by weight, and you know which ones are
balid so and even if say that that's not true
and you couldn't figure it out, that's not following the law.

Speaker 13 (01:21:21):
The law says that you have the Post Office has
to charge for.

Speaker 8 (01:21:25):
Every ballot that they handle, and that's their way of
accounting for it. Now, do I agree that that's the
best way to account No. This is one thing that
really bothers me, Mandy, is throughout all these processes they
are not using general accounting standard practices. We don't have
good auditing processes in place, whether it's the signature verification
or the undeliverable ballots or even the machines, and knowing

(01:21:48):
if they have remote Wi Fi access, there should be
outside forensic auditors and whatever thing you're looking at that
come in and look at what's happening and make sure
that the government is doing the right things. Because to
your point in your episode, in your segment earlier, not
many people trust the government to do a lot right now,
and to restore that trust, we need sunshine, we need transparency,

(01:22:11):
and that's what I'm trying to do, is provide transparency
and good information and asking the right questions, the hard questions,
so that voters can trust the process again and feel
good about voting.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
And I told Matt that I want people to have
faith in the system like that is just like you
want to have people have faith in the system. But
at one point I asked him specifically about about the
drop box cameras, because some of these drop boxes are
not well lit, they have poor quality cameras. So somebody

(01:22:43):
did want to monitor who was dropping off a group
of ballots, harvested ballots. Maybe they do have a legit purpose,
Maybe that's all their family members. You don't really have
that option. And he said, look, we've just not had
that happen before. And I told him, point blink, that's
not a good answer. When you have people that are
concerned about election integrity going forward, it hasn't happened yet

(01:23:06):
is not comforting, right, So I think the camera situation
is probably the easiest to fix. And have you had
any conversations or any follow up with any clerks who
have said, you know what, we're going to upgrade our cameras.
We want to make sure that people have confidence in
the system.

Speaker 8 (01:23:26):
Sovanny Mark Millman's been working on this for a couple
of years, and he is in Boulder County and he's
tried relentlessly to get them to upgrade the cameras. There's
a very inexpensive system that you can put in place
that's effective, that works well. Now I come from Camp
balow Wer, we have webcams all over the place.

Speaker 13 (01:23:41):
Their high definition. It's not hard, but they have been
resistant to doing that.

Speaker 8 (01:23:46):
And as we looked at the systems across the state,
the ones that we could monitor or see, we were
very disappointed. We found very very few camera systems that
were high quality. And that's important because according to the
Rule seven, the minimal standards that have to be met
to submit evidence to court if there is wrongdoing, these
systems don't meet that evidence. So even if it is

(01:24:08):
pointed in the right direction, which very very few are now,
Douglas County just put theirs on live stream. But if
you look at them, Mandy, they're so far away, you
can't see how many ballots people are putting in, and
you can't see a person's face, you can't see a
license plate.

Speaker 13 (01:24:23):
So Matt's saying they haven't had this be a problem.

Speaker 8 (01:24:26):
How do they know, they don't review the footage, they
don't watch it, they don't pay attention, and in most
of the cameras you can't see what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
That to me seems the most easily fixable problem, Like
that should be a no brainer. We should be able
to do that right now. And Heidi, you know, I
understand Matt's frustration, because Matt's like, ah, all of these
conversations just undermine people's confidence in the system. And where
he's sitting and I don't want to put words in
his mouth. That's not what I'm doing here, but I
feel like where he's sitting as the as the head

(01:24:56):
of the Clerk of Courts organization in Colorado, he he
knows all of the things and he listed him off
on Ross's show, all of the things they're trying to
do to ensure voter integrity. How do we get from
a point where we and me and you and everybody
out there who's listening can just say, Okay, you know what,
this is as secure as it can be without going

(01:25:18):
back to in person voting with a voter ID, which
would honestly be my preference at this point. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:25:25):
Men, he First, Mett needs to pick up the phone
and call me. I've tried reaching out to him many
times in the last couple of months and he hasn't responded. Instead,
he gives information to other people to report on air.
Same with Sherry Davis, the clerk in Douglas County. I've
asked her for meetings since April, since we did this audit,
and Shann her team have been very like resistant to
meeting with me, and instead they come out and do

(01:25:47):
a press conference and talk about how great everything is
instead of just talking and having a debate or a
conversation about how to make things better. The last thing is,
you know, I want to trust our elections. I want
everyone to vote with their whole heart in the next week.

Speaker 13 (01:26:03):
It's only a week away. But that doesn't mean that
we should just blindly trust these people.

Speaker 8 (01:26:09):
And especially when Jenner Griswold lied to us about whether
there was remote access in these machines, and Matt said
that too over the last couple of years, and many
clerks have and I don't blame the clerks. The clerks
are not technology experts. They're trusting what they're hearing from
the Secretary of State and then head of their clerks. Association,
But why don't we have.

Speaker 13 (01:26:28):
An open debate after the election.

Speaker 8 (01:26:30):
Why don't Mandy you could host a debate ass so
somebody could host a debate.

Speaker 13 (01:26:33):
We get our experts, they get out their experts, and
we hash it out.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
I would love that. I would absolutely love that. I
said this earlier, Heidi. You know, I asked Matt some
of the questions. I'm like, look, I want good answers
to good questions. What's frustrating to me is that we're
not even allowed to ask a question. That's the frustrating thing.
It's like, look, we're trying to be proactive, We're trying
to address those issues that a reluctant voter might have

(01:26:58):
in trusting the system. So why can't we all just
get on the same page and say, Okay, it may
seem redundant to me, but if that's going to make
everybody else feel better, then let's do it. I mean
my mind, that's what should be happening, and every voter
should want their votes integrity protected. And right now in
Mason County, there are three people who are going to

(01:27:18):
have their votes canceled out by fake ballots that were
turned in by somebody else, and that's just the facts.
And no matter if they voted for something else that
these fake ballots are voting, they lost their right to
vote because someone cheated. And that's just that needs to
be addressed with the forcefulness that I think it deserves.
And that's not what I heard from Matt today. I

(01:27:40):
hear a lot of we' you know, the system worked.
A quarter of the bad ballots got through. That's not
okay with me, shouldn't be okay with any voter in Colorado.

Speaker 8 (01:27:48):
Huh, Mandy, how do we know it's only three votes
that we're going to say? It could be a thousand votes.
It could be ten thousand votes. We don't know because
we don't have any outside experts look at the systems
and processes we have. It's self regulating. And these are
not security experts that are looking over these systems. They're
good intention people who want the best things, but they're

(01:28:11):
not security experts. And the answers that I got back
when we asked the hard security and technology questions were hogwash.

Speaker 13 (01:28:20):
I've learned enough to know that they're hogwash.

Speaker 8 (01:28:23):
And so if you're going to pretend like everything's great
and call me reckless, and call me an elections conspiracy
theorist like Jesse Paul with the cart the sun is.
He won't even answer a question over email. When I
pushed back and said, why didn't you interview me, Jesse,
I have a good relationship with you. Why are you
calling me names instead of actually digging in and talking
about these things? All the media is doing that. Channel

(01:28:44):
seven interviewed me for ten minutes in the car in
the parking lot of McDonald's.

Speaker 13 (01:28:48):
I gave them all the reasons.

Speaker 8 (01:28:49):
We're doing a public observer dropbox program, and they didn't
air any of it. Instead, they just listened to the
Secretary of States talking points and cut out everything I
said and put a little clip had nothing to do
with why we were doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
Well, I mean, we'll leave that rhetorical question just hanging
out there. Why they do what they do? Heidi, I'm
glad you're asking the questions, and I would love As
a matter of fact, I'm gonna get working right now
after the election is over, so probably January, when we
get the results of the votes. I'm only being half
sarcastic there. I will set something up and we'll have
a conversation because in my mind, regardless of party. Election

(01:29:25):
integrity should be very important because everyone should know that
your vote counts and no one is going to cast
a fake ballot and cancel it out. I don't think
that's too much to ask, Hidi, and all great to
see you as always, my friend.

Speaker 13 (01:29:40):
Thanks Mandy for all you do. Thanks for hearing me out.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
All right, Thanks Heidi. You know, it's just there's things
in this world that we live in that for me,
I don't understand why they have become so politicized. Now
I get why they've been so politicized by the politicians
because they can then use that right to gin up
votes to scare people. Whatever. The Republicans in twenty twenty

(01:30:04):
and twenty twenty two did it the exact wrong way.
They scared their voters off from voting. We can't have
that again. And here's the thing. If you think that
the election and system is not safe and you're not
going to vote because of it, you've then basically become
a useful idiot for the other team because you have

(01:30:25):
to participate in the system as it exists. We will
never ever ever have a perfect system because a perfect
system doesn't exist. We have to try and do as
well and as good as we can, because that's all
we can do. Perfection is never going to be on
the table. I just saw this really fun. I'm going

(01:30:46):
to leave you guys with, oh, oh here it is.
Oh you got to hear this. The View, The View,
I The View, you guys. When The View first came on,
when it was Barbara Walters and uh, Meredithiira and Star
Jones was on there, and Debbie Stephan Snuffalup whatever her

(01:31:08):
last name was, it was a delight. It was interesting,
it was informative. They talked about things. Let me just
give you a little bit of what the View has
become as of now.

Speaker 6 (01:31:19):
All I'm just talking about you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
It's uh, he's not gonna be He's not gonna, you know, say.

Speaker 9 (01:31:25):
Oh, you're with a white guy.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
I'm gonna keep you from being deported.

Speaker 13 (01:31:29):
No, you've got to port you and put the white
guy with someone else.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
The man is out there.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
He's also just to be clear, Donald Trump is going
to throw out people and and if you're married to someone,
they're just gonna put put them with someone else. That's
that's what is passing for conversation now on the View,
it's all incredibly incredibly said, you know what make it better?
A free beer, maybe like the one you can get

(01:31:55):
from the Sporty Pickle if you just go and say
big Al said he's buying me a beer? The doing that?
Or am I just giving away free beers that I
can't give away? Ryan Edwards?

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
They are still doing that.

Speaker 12 (01:32:04):
Yes, that is still an option here at the Sporty
Pickle Bar and Grill, just a half mile north of
E four seventy on Peoria.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
And what are you guys doing there today, Ryan Edwards?

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
Well, it's a victory Monday. I mean we're gonna be
here's celebrating.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
Let me just say this, Ryan, we talked. We talked
last week about how bad the Panthers were, right right,
so I was trying to manage my own expectations. But
there were some really good passing plays that worked really well.
There was some right on the money in stride passes
that were outstanding. I'm telling you I I am getting

(01:32:41):
Don't don't get me wrong. I'm not gonna go bet
all my paycheck on the Broncos winning the Super Bowl
this year. But I feel like we're moving in the
right direction, and that's really all I wanted out of
the season and being five and three is just gravy.

Speaker 13 (01:32:53):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
I mean, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 12 (01:32:55):
And I was just talking about with Zack Segers out here,
and we're just sort of talking about the fact is
the you still have to you still have to complete
those passes. The design of it is still there, and.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
There weren't a lot of blown coverages out there.

Speaker 12 (01:33:08):
It's not like guys were falling down all over the place,
didn't belong on the field. I mean, you still have
to execute that. His footwork was the best we've seen
so far. And again that those are all things to
be excited about, and I am excited.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
But now it's time for the most exciting segment on
the radio. I'm it's kind and of the day. Hot
Mike there. I think you just blew a rod's ear
drum out, But that's okay. Sorry that it was spectacular.
Don't never, don't ever shy away from that, Ryan Edwards,
I did back on just let your freak flag fly.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
Beautiful, Do it beautiful, Do it beautiful? This upcoming? Dad, Joe, Oh,
here we go.

Speaker 6 (01:33:45):
I haven't seen my twin brother since I left Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
Oh god, we were separated at Perth. Oh, boom.

Speaker 6 (01:33:56):
Boom.

Speaker 3 (01:33:57):
I was expecting to their Halloween Dad Joe kind of.
I know where that one was going.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Now I'll save them.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
What what's our word of the day.

Speaker 6 (01:34:05):
There's a probably a lot of renditions you heard of
this word, But do you know what this meaning is?

Speaker 9 (01:34:09):
The verb?

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
It's a verb and it means or excuse me. The
word is harry h A.

Speaker 4 (01:34:13):
R r y.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
It means to bother someone, to like annoy them, to
harry someone, to rush them along.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Yeah. I was thinking, like something is harry like scary
or like uh, like weird?

Speaker 9 (01:34:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:34:27):
To harry someone or something is to harass or torment
them by or as if by constant attack.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Yes, to harry them?

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
How did the Sundance Film Festival get his name? I
don't know.