October 29, 2024 • 11 mins
A CHAT ABOUT LIBERTY AND OUR FUTURE AFTER THE ELECTION This is going to be a night of inspiration & discussion as we search for hope and principles after the election with Yaron Brook & Tom Krannawitter! Join a live streamed event with two great thinkers who will talk about liberty and the future of our country after the election. I have Dr. Thomas Krannawitter on to talk about it, find the RSVP here.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you want to give yourself some mental stimulation after
being inundated with slick mailers full of lies and all
kinds of nonsense on the airwaves and television channels, I
have a suggestion there is an event that will be
taking place right after the election where you can sit
around and listen to two smarty pants talk about the
future of liberty.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Based on what just happened.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
One of those smarty pantss is Thomas Coronowit or who
joins me right now?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hey Tom, how you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Hey Mandy. I am in West Hollywood, California right now,
looking out at the Hollywood Hills, and I was just
interviewing some really smart, bright, progressive California voters and they
asked me to pass on a message that if Americans
care about their democracy, they're supposed to vote for Kamala Harris. Wait.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I'm sorry. That's an awful way to start and interview Thomas.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I just munch it really is. Oh look, we're getting
to you right. We're going to have a couple of
smarty pants and I get to join them and two
nights after the election. This is gonna be on November seventh,
and you know we don't regardless of what happened, regardless
of who wins, there's huge amounts of work to be
(01:15):
done to carve out a future of freedom in the
United States. And that's including even if Donald Trump wins.
There there is so much work, more than a president
can do alone. And by November seventh, we might not
even know whoe is.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
That's what I was going to say, I got the
ball Yeah, I don't think we're going to know.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I hope this doesn't happen, but we could have cities
on fire. I mean, remember in the summer of twenty twenty,
many Americans remind us they're willing to torch their own
cities when they're just gruntled and unhappy with things. So
that might be a good time to, you know, come
together and try to have some reason, calm, thoughtful conversations
(01:59):
about where we are right now and what we're going
to do. And that's why we're doing this event Beyond
the Ballots.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It is called Beyond the Ballot.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
It's a live stream, so you can sit in your
pajamas and listen to Yawn and Books and Tom krano
Witter be moderated by Mike Williams and talk all things
liberty and capitalism.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
You know, Tom, you.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Mentioned that it's it's not as if Donald Trump gets
elected and it's all sunshine and roses when it comes
to liberty.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
But now this is a giant butt.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
There is no comparison between the two parties right now
when it comes to the willingness to protect the rights
of the people.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
In my view, well, I would go even farther. I
think on one party has completely lost its mind, has
completely has completely lost touch with reality. They don't even
know the difference between a man and a woman. And so,
you know, these things are really important. Here's another thing
I want to emphasize. Freedom is really messy, It's really difficult.
(02:57):
I always reminded. I was reading some biographies of the Founders,
and you know, if you went and asked, say, Thomas
Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton, do you guys agree that all
human beings have you know, individual natural rights? They would say, sure,
we agree on that fundamental principle. And then you ask
a policy question like should there be a bank of
the United States? Oh, my goodness, these guys I go
(03:19):
to war against each other. Right They the Founders disagreed
strongly on all kinds of policy questions and matters of details,
and I think some of that's going to come through.
I'm really good friends with Yarn and disagree. We disagree
on some important policy questions and questions of prudence and
(03:41):
strategy and tactics, though we agree very much on fundamental
principles of individual liberty. And Look, we have a gigantic,
progressive administrative state that is snuffing out liberty. It has
taken one hundred and fifty years to build this thing,
and it's going to require not just a president. Is
going to require that Congress gets involved. It's going to
(04:03):
require that the courts get involved. And above all, it's
going to require two one hundred or two hundred and
fifty million Americans demanding that their government crawled back inside
the box of the constitution that we the people authorized,
and so shaping that culture, persuading people, inspiring people that
(04:24):
constitutional government is good for their lives, good for their liberty,
good good for the future of their children requires a
lot of work. And that's what we're going to talk
about in this conversation we're going to have is going
to be live streaming beyond the ballot.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
You know, Tom, I don't disagree with any of what
you just said, but I just think to myself as
a citizenry. Okay, so many Americans have completely abdicated their responsibilities,
their basic civic duties, and we've seen such an erosion
in our in our not in our The politicians, I
(05:03):
think are just a I don't know if politicians are
a leading edge or a trailing edge of the moral
decay of society.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I don't know, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Not quite sure which are those things. But I am
more worried that we have created an electorate who is
very invested in getting their stimmy checks, but also very
invested in not paying any taxes and.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Putting the burden on other people. We have put more
and more people.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
On various forms of the government, knowl whether they're getting
Obamacare subsidies, or they've been added to Medicaid, or they
are getting some kind of foods assistance or whatever, that
we've now created a society that is not capable of
doing the things you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Well, I you're right, and number one, that's why it's
important that all of us who care about freedom, and
we're teachers in one form or another, we keep doing
I need to keep doing what I'm doing. You Ross,
You guys need to keep doing what you're doing. When
need to teach and preach and reach and inspire everywhere
we can. And one of the things I'm going to
(06:05):
talk about and are beyond the ballot conversation, is what
a president can do. There are certain things legally, constitutionally
a president can do and other things, many things that
a president cannot do. But many modern presidents forget how
much they can shape opinion if they start talking to
the American people. Franklin Roosevelt, who I think was one
(06:28):
of our worst, most most horrific presidents we ever had,
he figured this out. He figured out how to use
the White House, the position of the president to inspire
and teach and persuade huge numbers of Americans. We need
that on behalf of liberty, and I think a president
can if a president started talking to the American people
(06:49):
directly frequently and highlighting all the waste and the corruption
and the fraud in the federal government, in the bureaucratic state.
He started interviewing directors of agencies and having honest, frank
conversations about how many business owners there those agencies harass
and how much they make everything more expensive, and write
(07:11):
in all these things and let the American people see
with their own eyes what they're actually funding, what they're
actually authorizing when they vote for these progressive politicians. There's
a lot that a president can do.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Well, you know, there is a lot of president can do,
and there's a lot of responsibility there, and like, well,
I'm going to take it down to a closer.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
To us level.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I think now we all know I don't agree politically
with anything really with Jared Poulis, our governor. My big
frustration is that I've never seen him lead and be
out front of policy. I've never seen him get out
and aggressively. He keeps saying wants to take the income
tax to zero, but unless somebody else puts it on
the ballot, he doesn't do anything.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
And that's been a big frustration.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I think he has a lot of political capital, but
I also think he is carefully managing his image so
he can be all things to every person when he
runs for president.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Who are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Well, let me pivot and talk about a similar kind
of situation. So Donald Trump just put out a really
interesting idea. He did a big interview with Joe Rogan recently,
and he mentioned the idea of he's been talking about tariffs.
I don't like the idea of tariff in general. However, However,
now Trump is throwing an interesting wrinkle. He's like, what
(08:28):
if we got rid of income taxes period? Got rid
of all income taxes? Now, that's fascinating. That's actually how
the United States federal government used to work prior to
the sixteenth Amendment. And when there are no income taxes,
if you get rid of all all the other forms
of taxes first, and then you have a tariff system.
The beauty of tariffs is there's a built in natural
(08:50):
limit on the amount of money that the federal government
can bring in. Because when the political class gets too
greedy and they keep ratcheting tariffs higher and higher and higher,
eventually ordinary Americans say, screw it, I'm not buying that
stuff anymore. It's too expensive, and all of a sudden,
the political class cannot get any more money, which means
they have to prioritize. They got to sit and say, okay,
(09:12):
we you know, we really want to I don't know,
go go plant trees. And certain racial minority neighborhoods. But
we also need a navy, and the navy seems more
important than planting trees in certain you know, neighborhoods, So
we got to use our money to fund a navy.
Those are the kinds of great, big ideas that a
president can sell and market and explain to the American people.
(09:35):
Part of the bigger package. I want a president who
will actually teach Americans all the benefits that come from
constitutional government. A government is actually limited and confined to
the constitution. That doesn't, you know, require stealing huge amounts
of money from other productive people, and help Americans understand
why this is good for their lives, their future, their kids. There. Remember,
(09:59):
one of the hunting purpose of our constitution in the
preamble is not just to protect our own liberty. It's
for the liberty of our posterity, our kids, our grandkids.
That's why we ordained and ratified the Constitution. And we've
become so selfish. We're looking for the quickest handout, subsidy,
you know, whatever it is we have forgotten. We're making
(10:21):
our nation worse for our kids and our grandkids. Let's
have a president who uses the bully pulpit of the
presidency to remind Americans what it means to be free,
self governing, responsible adult citizens.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Tom Cranowittter is my guest.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
You can go to the Beyond the Ballot and Evening
with Yaron Brook and Tom Kronowitter, put on by the
Defenders of Capitalism project cost a wap in fifteen bucks,
and it's more conversation like this, Tom. I am going
to be on an airplane, but I'm going to try
and do this event anyway because it is online. It
doesn't matter. I should be able to do that. I
know it's going to be a big, smashing success, but
let's get you on soon to continue this conversation on
(11:00):
the air as well.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Thanks a lot many, I appreciate it. Please everyone go
to Defendersocapitalism dot com. That's where you can register. And
I look forward to seeing and here being people on
November seventh.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
All right, Thanks Tom,
If you want to give yourself some mental stimulation after
being inundated with slick mailers full of lies and all
kinds of nonsense on the airwaves and television channels, I
have a suggestion there is an event that will be
taking place right after the election where you can sit
around and listen to two smarty pants talk about the
future of liberty.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Based on what just happened.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
One of those smarty pantss is Thomas Coronowit or who
joins me right now?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hey Tom, how you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Hey Mandy. I am in West Hollywood, California right now,
looking out at the Hollywood Hills, and I was just
interviewing some really smart, bright, progressive California voters and they
asked me to pass on a message that if Americans
care about their democracy, they're supposed to vote for Kamala Harris. Wait.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I'm sorry. That's an awful way to start and interview Thomas.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I just munch it really is. Oh look, we're getting
to you right. We're going to have a couple of
smarty pants and I get to join them and two
nights after the election. This is gonna be on November seventh,
and you know we don't regardless of what happened, regardless
of who wins, there's huge amounts of work to be
(01:15):
done to carve out a future of freedom in the
United States. And that's including even if Donald Trump wins.
There there is so much work, more than a president
can do alone. And by November seventh, we might not
even know whoe is.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
That's what I was going to say, I got the
ball Yeah, I don't think we're going to know.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I hope this doesn't happen, but we could have cities
on fire. I mean, remember in the summer of twenty twenty,
many Americans remind us they're willing to torch their own
cities when they're just gruntled and unhappy with things. So
that might be a good time to, you know, come
together and try to have some reason, calm, thoughtful conversations
(01:59):
about where we are right now and what we're going
to do. And that's why we're doing this event Beyond
the Ballots.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It is called Beyond the Ballot.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
It's a live stream, so you can sit in your
pajamas and listen to Yawn and Books and Tom krano
Witter be moderated by Mike Williams and talk all things
liberty and capitalism.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
You know, Tom, you.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Mentioned that it's it's not as if Donald Trump gets
elected and it's all sunshine and roses when it comes
to liberty.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
But now this is a giant butt.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
There is no comparison between the two parties right now
when it comes to the willingness to protect the rights
of the people.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
In my view, well, I would go even farther. I
think on one party has completely lost its mind, has
completely has completely lost touch with reality. They don't even
know the difference between a man and a woman. And so,
you know, these things are really important. Here's another thing
I want to emphasize. Freedom is really messy, It's really difficult.
(02:57):
I always reminded. I was reading some biographies of the Founders,
and you know, if you went and asked, say, Thomas
Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton, do you guys agree that all
human beings have you know, individual natural rights? They would say, sure,
we agree on that fundamental principle. And then you ask
a policy question like should there be a bank of
the United States? Oh, my goodness, these guys I go
(03:19):
to war against each other. Right They the Founders disagreed
strongly on all kinds of policy questions and matters of details,
and I think some of that's going to come through.
I'm really good friends with Yarn and disagree. We disagree
on some important policy questions and questions of prudence and
(03:41):
strategy and tactics, though we agree very much on fundamental
principles of individual liberty. And Look, we have a gigantic,
progressive administrative state that is snuffing out liberty. It has
taken one hundred and fifty years to build this thing,
and it's going to require not just a president. Is
going to require that Congress gets involved. It's going to
(04:03):
require that the courts get involved. And above all, it's
going to require two one hundred or two hundred and
fifty million Americans demanding that their government crawled back inside
the box of the constitution that we the people authorized,
and so shaping that culture, persuading people, inspiring people that
(04:24):
constitutional government is good for their lives, good for their liberty,
good good for the future of their children requires a
lot of work. And that's what we're going to talk
about in this conversation we're going to have is going
to be live streaming beyond the ballot.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
You know, Tom, I don't disagree with any of what
you just said, but I just think to myself as
a citizenry. Okay, so many Americans have completely abdicated their responsibilities,
their basic civic duties, and we've seen such an erosion
in our in our not in our The politicians, I
(05:03):
think are just a I don't know if politicians are
a leading edge or a trailing edge of the moral
decay of society.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I don't know, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Not quite sure which are those things. But I am
more worried that we have created an electorate who is
very invested in getting their stimmy checks, but also very
invested in not paying any taxes and.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Putting the burden on other people. We have put more
and more people.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
On various forms of the government, knowl whether they're getting
Obamacare subsidies, or they've been added to Medicaid, or they
are getting some kind of foods assistance or whatever, that
we've now created a society that is not capable of
doing the things you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Well, I you're right, and number one, that's why it's
important that all of us who care about freedom, and
we're teachers in one form or another, we keep doing
I need to keep doing what I'm doing. You Ross,
You guys need to keep doing what you're doing. When
need to teach and preach and reach and inspire everywhere
we can. And one of the things I'm going to
(06:05):
talk about and are beyond the ballot conversation, is what
a president can do. There are certain things legally, constitutionally
a president can do and other things, many things that
a president cannot do. But many modern presidents forget how
much they can shape opinion if they start talking to
the American people. Franklin Roosevelt, who I think was one
(06:28):
of our worst, most most horrific presidents we ever had,
he figured this out. He figured out how to use
the White House, the position of the president to inspire
and teach and persuade huge numbers of Americans. We need
that on behalf of liberty, and I think a president
can if a president started talking to the American people
(06:49):
directly frequently and highlighting all the waste and the corruption
and the fraud in the federal government, in the bureaucratic state.
He started interviewing directors of agencies and having honest, frank
conversations about how many business owners there those agencies harass
and how much they make everything more expensive, and write
(07:11):
in all these things and let the American people see
with their own eyes what they're actually funding, what they're
actually authorizing when they vote for these progressive politicians. There's
a lot that a president can do.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Well, you know, there is a lot of president can do,
and there's a lot of responsibility there, and like, well,
I'm going to take it down to a closer.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
To us level.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I think now we all know I don't agree politically
with anything really with Jared Poulis, our governor. My big
frustration is that I've never seen him lead and be
out front of policy. I've never seen him get out
and aggressively. He keeps saying wants to take the income
tax to zero, but unless somebody else puts it on
the ballot, he doesn't do anything.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
And that's been a big frustration.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I think he has a lot of political capital, but
I also think he is carefully managing his image so
he can be all things to every person when he
runs for president.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Who are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Well, let me pivot and talk about a similar kind
of situation. So Donald Trump just put out a really
interesting idea. He did a big interview with Joe Rogan recently,
and he mentioned the idea of he's been talking about tariffs.
I don't like the idea of tariff in general. However, However,
now Trump is throwing an interesting wrinkle. He's like, what
(08:28):
if we got rid of income taxes period? Got rid
of all income taxes? Now, that's fascinating. That's actually how
the United States federal government used to work prior to
the sixteenth Amendment. And when there are no income taxes,
if you get rid of all all the other forms
of taxes first, and then you have a tariff system.
The beauty of tariffs is there's a built in natural
(08:50):
limit on the amount of money that the federal government
can bring in. Because when the political class gets too
greedy and they keep ratcheting tariffs higher and higher and higher,
eventually ordinary Americans say, screw it, I'm not buying that
stuff anymore. It's too expensive, and all of a sudden,
the political class cannot get any more money, which means
they have to prioritize. They got to sit and say, okay,
(09:12):
we you know, we really want to I don't know,
go go plant trees. And certain racial minority neighborhoods. But
we also need a navy, and the navy seems more
important than planting trees in certain you know, neighborhoods, So
we got to use our money to fund a navy.
Those are the kinds of great, big ideas that a
president can sell and market and explain to the American people.
(09:35):
Part of the bigger package. I want a president who
will actually teach Americans all the benefits that come from
constitutional government. A government is actually limited and confined to
the constitution. That doesn't, you know, require stealing huge amounts
of money from other productive people, and help Americans understand
why this is good for their lives, their future, their kids. There. Remember,
(09:59):
one of the hunting purpose of our constitution in the
preamble is not just to protect our own liberty. It's
for the liberty of our posterity, our kids, our grandkids.
That's why we ordained and ratified the Constitution. And we've
become so selfish. We're looking for the quickest handout, subsidy,
you know, whatever it is we have forgotten. We're making
(10:21):
our nation worse for our kids and our grandkids. Let's
have a president who uses the bully pulpit of the
presidency to remind Americans what it means to be free,
self governing, responsible adult citizens.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Tom Cranowittter is my guest.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
You can go to the Beyond the Ballot and Evening
with Yaron Brook and Tom Kronowitter, put on by the
Defenders of Capitalism project cost a wap in fifteen bucks,
and it's more conversation like this, Tom. I am going
to be on an airplane, but I'm going to try
and do this event anyway because it is online. It
doesn't matter. I should be able to do that. I
know it's going to be a big, smashing success, but
let's get you on soon to continue this conversation on
(11:00):
the air as well.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Thanks a lot many, I appreciate it. Please everyone go
to Defendersocapitalism dot com. That's where you can register. And
I look forward to seeing and here being people on
November seventh.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
All right, Thanks Tom,
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