10-30-24 FULL SHOW - The Sec of State is Incompetent, RCV In Practice In Alaska

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I just fired the commercials because it's Wednesday. And why not, Anthony,
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we will do the blog in just a few minutes
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I had my finger near the wrong button. Anyway, we
have a very very very big day planned for you,
Oh boyd. We have some things to talk about. One
close to home with our own Secretary of State, Jenna Griswold,
proving once again that she is not up to the job.
But I gotta tell you, guys, I got to give

(01:13):
Kyle Clark some a lot of credit with his interview
with Jenna Griswold, which I embedded the entire thing on
the blog. He pushed her very very hard and reminded
her of her prior statements about the importance of keeping
passwords safe and all of that good stuff. If you
haven't heard about that story, we'll get to that in

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just a minute. We're also going to talk about last night.
Last night it confirmed something I have suspected since he
made his endorsement. I think Joe Biden wants Kamala Harris
to lose. I'm pretty certain he wants her to lose.

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And how do I know this because last night, and
if you watch the news, if you skim the news,
if you check out the news on a daily basis,
you may have seen for the past few days all
of these news stories about Kamala Harris's big speech at
the Ellipse in Washington, DC, where she was going to
make the case the final argument for voters to vote
for her instead of Donald Trump. It was the biggest

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show she's been at so far. They say seventy five
thousand people showed up in DC for this speech. But
at the exact same time, exact same time, Joe Biden
was doing a zoom meeting with a group called Voto

(02:35):
Latino or something something like that, and Joby and Joe
He's stepped in it very very badly, very very badly.
And that, my friends, is the story today, not the
triumphant speech from the Ellips, which by the way, was
just a rehash of her DMC speech with a lot more.

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Trump is a fascist, Trump, the Nazi, Trump is bad.
Trump is horrible. Uh in it? I watched I watched
it in one and a half time. Ayroon, do you
listen to stuff at one and a half speed? Do
you listen to that? Like I found out. I didn't
know that you could do this until one of my
listeners said, Yeah, I listened to your show in one
and a half speed, and then I you know, I
can get it over with and get to my day.

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I can hear the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
No, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not a gen z
Er and I'm not an old so normal is fine.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Well, here's the thing, here's what I was thinking about, Aaron.
What if we just do a show where you and
me we should talk really fast throughout the entire thing,
and then they're going to try and play it double
time and they won't even be able to understand anything.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
So terrible idea. Make our podcast listening frustrated.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
No, huh. But I listened to our speech in one
and a half time speed. I was, you know, I
just wanted to get through it. I did not feel
like I missed anything by going listening to the whole
thing and like twenty one minutes. It was a rehash
of stuff that had already been done. So ultimately, let's

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do the blog and then we'll get into everything else.
We got some guests coming on today. I'm trying to
get someone from the House Republican Caucus to come on
to talk about They're asking for Jenna Griswold to step down,
and I believe she should. If she had any sense
of personal responsibility and dignity, she would step down. But
she will not because I don't believe she has either
of those things. Find the blog by going to mandy'sblog

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Those are the headlines on the blog at mandy'sblog dot com. Boom,
there you go. I don't know, I'm I am not.
Sometimes people text Ross's show, but then I don't know

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if they're texting Ross's show or they're texting me this early.
So yeah, I'd like to deputize all of you in
the listening audience today. I don't want to hear if
it's raining, but if you're getting snow, I want to
hear about snow, because we are supposed to get our
first snowfall here. Maybe I don't know if it's going
to snow in the Metro, but it's snowing at my

(06:44):
house this morning. Not like full blown snowing, like here's
a flake, there's a flake, there's another flake. Oh, look
a flake like that kind of snowing where you could
probably count them if you tried hard enough. So we
rarely have a heavy snow, but I'd like to know
where it is snowing. Obviously, people in the foothills and
in the mountains and in the higher elevations. We'll get

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that before we will. Now let's get into the big
topics of the day. Two big topics, one here in
Colorado and one here or nationwide in the campaign. I
want to start by letting you know that today I
have a guy coming on. His name is He's Alaska

(07:25):
State Senator Mike Storm appropriate on today. Great guy. I
talked to him for about half an hour the other
day off the air and really sort of said, look,
what are the problems here with ranked choice voting? And boy,
howdy did he let me know? Now? To be clear,
after I talked to him, I really thought about it.
I really thought about it, and I really thought about it,
and I'm still a yes on ranked choice voting. But

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I don't want to sell people a bill of goods
that turns out to be something completely different than what
you think is going to be. And many of you
have pointed out via the text line and email that
you think this is too complicated for voters, and I'm like, look,
you don't have enough confidence in voters. But what I'm
hearing from Alaska is you, guys, maybe right, My confidence

(08:07):
level maybe too high, which is so incredibly depressing to
me that we now have an electorate that is so
devoid of the ability to think that they can't figure
out how to rank people if they want to vote
for more than what. It's just it's just not a
great situation. Not a great situation. But we're going to

(08:31):
talk to Mike at two o'clock so you can hear
directly from someone in Alaska the positives the negatives. He
says he thinks that their repeal will pass. So the
people who've ran the ranked choice voting up in Alaska
ran on some things that they are not running on here,

(08:53):
and it seems as if they've learned like that. They
said it wouldn't cost any more money. It clearly is
going to losts more money. That is a problem, and
they're not saying that here. They're basically saying, yeah, it's
going to cost about twenty one million dollars to get
this done. So they're admitting that it is going to
cost more. One thing that I don't want to steal
his thunder, but I know a lot of you listening

(09:14):
right now are not going to be listening at two o'clock.
One of the things he said was forget the idea
of finding out who won the same day, So that
software simply doesn't exist right now to make rank choice
voting ork in a efficient fashion. So somebody is gonna
have to build the software, and then nobody's gonna trust
the software. Kind of like we're in the situation now,

(09:37):
a situation made worse by the revelation by Jenni Griswald
only under duress. I don't think she would have ever
ever announced this. But if you haven't heard this story yet, boy,
it is a whopper. I mean it is a whopper.
It goes like this. On the Secretary of State's website,

(10:00):
they have different documents that you can access to get information.
As a matter of fact, I was on there yesterday
trying to find out some demographic information that I wanted.
So they put a document on their website that had
a hidden just a hidden tab on it, but it

(10:21):
wasn't hidden and password controlled, which is kind of funny.
I've actually made documents, not word documents, Excel documents. One
of the few successful experiences I've had making an Excel
document a r Can you make an Excel document and
make it do the things that XL is supposed to do,
like add stuff up and multiply columns and all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
I usually always have to google the different macros and whatnot.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
I have a better idea for you. You can pay someone
on fiver to do that for you for ten dollars. No,
I ret to do it myself. Oh no, not me,
take my money, take my money, no money to buildspationet
No for me. No, because that's easily three hours of
my time. My hourly rate is way more than three
dollars and thirty three cents an hour. Well, three hours
for you, that's what I'm saying, seven minutes for me.

(11:07):
There you go. It might make sense for you, not
for me, not at all. So they posted this document online,
and it turns out that the document had a little
toggle that said un hide and someone from the rep no,
I want to wait. I want to walk that back.

(11:27):
I was about to say something, and I don't know
if it's accurate. The reason we know this happened is
that the Colorado Republican Party sent out a mass email
this morning or yesterday morning, along with an affidavit from
someone who says they downloaded the excel file from the
Colorado Secretary of State's website and discovered the hidden tab

(11:49):
by simply clicking hide. The name on the affidavit was
blacked out by the Republican Party. But you know what
was in that document passwords for all of the elect's
votings machines. Now, you guys, this is first of all,
I want to be clear about something, and I think
that Jenna Griswold actually did a very good job explaining

(12:13):
this when Kyle Clark was interviewing her. And yes, you guys,
Kyle Clark did a phenomenal job interviewing Jenna Griswold. Phenomenal.
He held her feet to the fire, he asked hard questions,
He backed her into a corner several times. She looks terrible.
I don't mean physically. She just came off looking like
completely incompetent, in and apt because she is. Because this
isn't the only thing that's happened under the tenure of

(12:35):
Jennet Griswold. She also oversaw the mailing of thirty thousand
postcards two non citizens urging them to register to vote.
She also then notified thousands of people incorrectly that they
had not been that they had not voted yet, which
was a surprise because they had. And now she has
exposed these passwords to anyone who was clever enough to

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hit hit the unhided button. Now, I want to give
assurance here, and that is that because of the multiple
layers of security that exist, these passwords in and of
themselves are not useful unless unless you have access into
a locked room where the machines are kept, unless you

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have another set of passwords that are allegedly kept somewhere else,
unless you have some means of getting to the physical
machines to get in. But you have to have the
other passwords. So I don't want you to think that
this password breach is going to mean that someone is
going to cheat and get into these machines and doing
something nefarious, right, I don't want you to think that.

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The takeaway from this story is not that The takeaway
from this story is that Jennet Griswold needs to resign,
period full stop. She is incompetent in one of the
most important offices in the state, period and in an
office that, until Griswold had never been politicize the way

(14:01):
it is now. You cannot turn on MSNBC without seeing
her face talking about something. She has injected politics into
it over and over and over and over and over again.
And there's plenty of time for politicking. But the Secretary
of State's office is in charge of our electoral system, right,
They're in charge of making sure that everybody's vote counts.

(14:23):
So Jennet Griswold needs to resign. And the House has
come out, the House Republican House Caucus has come out
and said that very thing, they have asked her to resign.
And I don't think it's I don't think that they
are wrong. I think they're absolutely right. So this from

(14:45):
the x account of the Colorado House Republicans in response
to a serious breach of voting system security protocols by
the Secretary of State's office, which posted critical election equipment
passwords online. Colorado House Republicans is the following statement. Minority
Leader Puglesi stated, Secretary of State Jenna Griswold's reckless disregard

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for professional standards and consistent lack of transparency has threatened
trust in our democratic system by causing doubt in the
security of our election process. Her office is mailed postcards
to thirty thousand non citizens, illegally encouraging them to register
to vote, falsely informed other voters that they had not
voted when they had and now has disclosed election system

(15:27):
passwords on the internet. Puglasis continued saying, while I have
the utmost trust in the integrity of our county clerks
who actually oversee the counting of votes, I have no
trust that Secretary Griswold is capable of leading our election system.
Enough of her incompetence, it's time for her to resign.
The people of Colorado deserve better. She's absolutely right. I'm

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going to try and get Ty Winter on the show,
he's the assistant minority leader and talk to him about that.
Now here's the thing. She was defiant in the interview
that I have on the blogs today with Kyle Clark.
Defiant when asked to resign. She was defiant when Kyle
Clark asked her how this is different, uh than than
the Tina peter situation. When Jenna Griswold said that it is, uh,

(16:12):
it is a let me make sure I get this
right last week Griswow, Nope, nope, nope, hang on, let
me get this up here.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
He actually asked her, why uh, when Tina Peters gave
passwords to people that were not supposed to get them
that was the worst breach in the world and a
threat to the security of the entire voting system, and
why hers wasn't And she basically was like, nuh uh
nuh uh nuh uh. My irritation here more than anything else.

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And you can watch the video yourself. Like I said,
I embedded it with in the blog. And and even
if you don't care for Kyle Clark, I would really
you've got to give him a lot of credit in
this interview. You really do. He asked all of the
really difficult questions your about this interview is that Griswold
seems flippant. She seems to in her effort to downplay

(17:10):
what's going on, she doesn't seem to take it seriously enough.
And this is my issue. I kind of have this
issue with Matt Crane the other day, the head of
the Clerk Association for the State of Colorado, and in
saying things like we don't need to worry about that
because that hasn't happened yet, that to me feels very

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flippant when we're talking about election integrity and security. In
my mind, if somebody brings up way to do something nefarious,
we should immediately begin starting to mitigate that rather than
waiting for it to happen and then trying to close
the barn door behind it. We should be trying to
think ahead. This is what people who work for major

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corporations in internet security do, right And most of the
time those people are trying to recover from an attack
from hackers who have found a new way in. But
a good deal of their time is spent trying to
make sure that those hackers can't outwit them in the
first place. So they're trying to figure out the areas
of softness in their security systems and trying to address

(18:19):
those before they become a problem. That's what I want
to see, and that is not what Griswold did not
at all. So I want to ask this question before
we go into the break, and we're going to do
weather Wednesday when we get back with Fox thirty one
meteorologist Dave Frasier. But after that I will say the
results of this informal poll on the text line, and

(18:42):
you can go ahead and editorialize if you'd like. But
do you think that Jennick Griswold will resign? Now that's
an easy one, no, you know, but should she, Yes,
she should, Mandy if she resigns, doesn't pull us appoint
her replacement potentially equally biased and incompetent person. And yes,

(19:05):
Kyle Clark acted like a real live journalist for once
light snow. It has this park nothing sticking. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think she fully expected Kyle Clark to give her
free pass as this Texter. I think so too, and
you can see it on her face the surprise watching
on the blog. Right now, we're back with weather Wednesday.

(19:25):
Next our favorite meteorologists on the show. That is Dave Fraser. Dave,
where's the snow?

Speaker 6 (19:32):
Yeah, it's around, but it's not gonna do much in
most areas as we expected. Yeah no, but I do
like your overview of it. It is our first chance
to see snow. And while it's been a flake here
and a flake there, the overall storm system we knew
wouldn't be moisture rich, and the chance of grassy accumulation
is still there. Don't count it out. We're not done yet.

(19:53):
There's still going to be one last push early this
evening and that could coat the grass in a few
areas across parts of the met thrown even down here
on the south side of the town. So we're not
done yet. But overall, this just was never a great
storm system. And officially I don't think we're going to
get our first snow at the airport. You need a
tenth of an.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Inch and oh yeah, I get that.

Speaker 6 (20:11):
I just got to see the change.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, earlier today I had like, oh, there's a flake.
Oh look, there's a flake. Oh there's a plake. You
know what's funny. I saw images this morning apparently Hawaii
got a big, old fat snowstorm this morning.

Speaker 6 (20:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's typical up on the mountains, way
up high that can get clipped. That's cold enough up
there that they can get clipped when the push of
moisture and get some snow. So go figure, right, yeah, exactly,
well measurable here. But listen, the mountains are doing okay
with this. Not a great storm for them either. The
latest reports I saw about an hour and a half ago,
there's some two and three inches up there. No copper
got two inches, So again it's not robots. The good

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news is it hasn't caused travel problems. We knew the
roads down here would stay wet, just given how warm
and dry we've been It is a little bit of
good moisture, it's just not a lot. And I do
like the timing. We get it in on a weather Wednesday,
we get it out and time for Halloween, so it's good.
You guys, get your sweater weathers.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
I have on a sweater right now. I'm wearing my sweater. Yes,
I'm excited about that.

Speaker 6 (21:09):
Yes, your cuddle cast is at a seventh for tonight.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
There you go, there you So what are we looking
out for the next week, because I mean, is this
Are we going to be able to look at this
as the thing that sort of pushed us into late
fall early winter where we're going to stop seeing those temperatures.

Speaker 6 (21:24):
Near eighty Yes, I do believe that. We think this
is the straw that broke the camel's back when it
comes to the warm temperatures. So as I look at
the forecast moving forward, we'll quickly get back to sixty
sixty five, could even get close to sixty tomorrow on
Thursday sixty five. That puts us about five degrees above average,
which right now is about fifty nine to sixty degrees,

(21:46):
so not terribly warm. And then we have another chance
to get back down into the forties and fifties, with
another shot of snow coming Monday, Monday night and into Tuesday.
So another one of these could be a mix, could
be some grassy accumulation here and there, moistures there, and
of course the overnight lows. We're going to get hammered tonight.
Our message with our pinpoint whether alert day for today,

(22:07):
was not really about the day. Yeah, it's gray, it's cloudy,
it's cool, it's wet, there's rain, there's snow, limited accumulation.
It's about tonight's low. So if you have not like
Mandy and a Rod have already done and I did
this weekend, disconnected your hoses, any plant you want to say,
it have to be covered or brought in, and that
external pipe tu sprinkler system has to be drained at
a minimum, if not blow your sprinklers out. Kind of

(22:28):
late game to do that, but you've got until sundown
tonight because we're going down about twenty five degrees.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
I even put some more mulch on one of my
flower beds this weekend. I was on the ball, ready
for some snow, and now we're not getting what is
the next Here's my fear, right because I am leaving
to go on the next Mandy Connell Adventure to sail
down the Dnuven go to Christmas Markets on November thirtieth,

(22:53):
twenty ninth thirtieth. I can't remember which to day right now,
But are we going to end up with some kind
of like horrible Thanksgiving snarling snowstorm that's going to create
havoc across the country? What does the what does the
decently far away out look look like?

Speaker 6 (23:10):
First of all, I'm extremely jealous that you're going on
that trip. My life and I looked at doing that
trip this fall exactly that same trip, but for certain
reasons we couldn't make it work. We're going to look
at it to maybe.

Speaker 7 (23:21):
Do in next fall. So, well, how it is you?

Speaker 3 (23:24):
We got to talk about which cruise lines and all
that stuff, because I got a lot of information for you.
If you've not done river cruising, you want to talk
to me first, so we'll do that. But what are
we looking at me? Do you see anything in the
next three weeks? And I know that we're not talking
about in three weeks this is going to happen, but
anything brewing out there?

Speaker 6 (23:42):
So as you know, I have confidence in our seven
day forecast, I have a little bit of confidence out
to ten days beyond that. No, I do think we
have changed the pattern where we are going to be
more seasonal when it comes to temperatures, and that we
could start to see more shots of moisture like we're
seeing today. I mentioned the one coming Monday, maybe on Tuesday.
There could be one towards the end the next week.

(24:03):
So I think we'll see subtleties in there. Could we
get hit with something big. The overall pattern, the Linnini
pattern that you and I have talked about here on
Weather Wednesdays four months continues as we go through and
into the weekend. There's no question. There's no question about that.
So I'm sorry somebody's calling me.

Speaker 7 (24:22):
So there's no problem.

Speaker 6 (24:26):
There's no change in that pattern. And generally what that
means is the month of November will be warmer and
drive to normal. However, let me say this, I always
talk about how one day can change things. So for
the last three weeks we have been talking about how
this October, with the warm temperatures we've had, could be
the warmsst October on record. To do that, we would

(24:47):
need an even sixty degrees. We've been run at at
about sixty point five heading for that goal. However, I
added today's numbers in, and I added tomorrow's twenty five
and tomorrow's forecast eye and it looks to me like
we're going to average below fifty nine point two just
because of two days. And it's the twenty five degree

(25:08):
temperature that's going to average us down out of the
number one spot. So we will be the second one
with October. It's like grades when you were at school.

Speaker 7 (25:16):
Right, I was just an a.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
I just told my daughter this. I was like you,
and I show my daughter this on on you know,
on the little on the app that we have the
shows all the grades, and look look at this you've
got aaaaa. Oh and then you didn't turn in an assignment.
Oh and look what happened here grade? And it takes
nine years to build it back up to that a.
You know, it's like exactly, it takes so little to
throw everything into chaos. Well, that's I mean, that's not bad.

Speaker 7 (25:43):
No, no, it keeps us out of the record books.

Speaker 6 (25:45):
And for dryness, we're already on the list. We're at
number eleven. We will not be drier than that. Obviously,
we're gonna dry out. We've got what we've got, but
if we can get one one hundred or two one
hundreds of moisture at the airport, instead of being tied
or number twelve dry octobers, we would drop to fifteen.

Speaker 7 (26:01):
So you can well me how just a simple day.

Speaker 6 (26:04):
And that's why when we talk about those thirty day averages, Yes,
the month could end up dryer and warmer than normal,
but she doesn't tell you anything about the day to
day weather. Hence what we're experiencing today.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Well, I deputized all of my listeners as my junior
weather reporters today to let them know where it's snowing.
All we've got so far some groppel by Columbine. We've
got some light snow on the northwest of Colorado Springs.
We got a little snow flurries in Estes Park. But
other than that, I'm not seeing anything on the text

(26:36):
line indicating where there's going to be a bunch of weather.
But you know what, at least we won't have a
snorreled afternoon drive.

Speaker 6 (26:43):
Well, hang on, because I do want to let you
know there is snow out on the Eastern Plain. So
this storm that is going north of us. The timing
was we would get some in the morning, there would
be a lull in the afternoon till about three, and
then we'll get one last bush. So, like I said earlier,
don't count out that we're done yet. And this push
could be a.

Speaker 7 (27:01):
Couple of rod dust showers, both rain and snow.

Speaker 6 (27:03):
And if you get under one of those snow showers,
that's where you could get the grassyccumulation. Still think the
roads will just be wet. But anytime the roads have
rain or wetness on them, it tends to small traffic
a little bit in some spots. So again that push
is going to come around the five o'clock hour for
the easy commute, but should start the push east by seven,
and by nine o'clock we're done and out of it.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
All right. That is our weather. It's gray outside. I
did get this from the airport right now. It said, Mandy,
I work at the airport. Have not seen any snow
and now I can see blue skies between the clouds.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (27:34):
Yeah, there is some punching up. There is some dry air.
We dealt with that all last night. Again, it just
has to do with this storm being north of us.
We're in the wrong position for this storm. But as
it lifts out, the back side of it is going
to whin one last push. So those gray, those holes
in the clouds where you might be seeing some sunshine,
if you're hearing us along the front range, those will

(27:55):
fill back in. There'll be one last push and then
we'll be done with it. Unfortunately, then the sky is
clear and here comes the crashing temperatures into the twenties.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
You know what, I'm okay with that. I'm ready for
sweater weather. I'm ready to build a fire at my
house and sit by the fire and enjoy my enjoy winter.
I'm ready. It's October. It's time, Dave Fraser, it's time.

Speaker 6 (28:15):
Yep, before we go, I know you've tied on time.
But for Halloween, the sun will come out after some morning,
clouds will be near sixty and for tricker treaders it
looks great. We should be around fifty two fifty degrees
at five o'clock and about forty two by the time
you get to eight or nine. So I'm not bad
to the kids, all right, Dave Fraser, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
We'll talk to you next week, my friend, I see
all right, so that is Dave Fraser Flurries in the
ski town. That's all we've got so far. Let's just
get back to what we were talking about, because a
lot of you weighed in on should Jenna Griswold resign
and the answers are really funny. Well done you guys.
We'll do that next. If you have not heard the

(28:53):
story of Jenna Griswold's latest bout of incompetence, it is
a doozy. Apparently, according to a mass email sent out
yesterday by the Republican Party, there was a bit of
data on the Secretary of State's website that was released
to the public. Only there was a hidden tab on
this data, and someone downloaded the information that was available

(29:16):
for release and unhit the tab and found the passwords
for all the voting machines in sixty three counties. This
is yet another example of Jennick Griswald in competence. She
also sent out thirty thousand mailers to non citizens urging
them to register to vote. Of course, that would be illegal.
She also sent thousands of messages to people who had
already voted, telling them they had not voted. The level

(29:39):
of incompetence is stunning, and I asked the question that
is now being asked by the House Minority Caucus in
the House of Representatives. Those are the Republicans. She should resign,
what do you think? I say yes, But she never
will because she is not really taking responsibility for the
gravity of this situation. I have the the interview that

(30:02):
Kyle Clark did with her on the blog. It is
a very good interview. Kyle was very tough on her.
I have to give him credit where credit is due.
Really really solid interview, and she doesn't seem to be
taking this. I mean, wouldn't you start the conversation by saying,
I am appalled, I'm so disappointed that anything of this

(30:22):
nature would happen in my office. There's an investigation going on.
We're going to get to the bottom of this. No,
none of that. She was very breezy in her dismissal
of how important this is. So I asked, you, guys,
should Jenni Griswald resign? Knowing that the answer she won't resign,
But you guys have sent some very interesting stuff. When

(30:46):
Jennifers took office, the annual meeting of Secretaries of State
was coming up in Alabama. She said they weren't going
because she didn't like Alabama's stance on abortion. I sent
her an email saying that was a personal opinion, not
a professional one as secretary of state. That's another fine
example of the way she's politicized in office. That it
is critical everyone trusts. Everyone needs to trust the Secretary

(31:08):
of State's office. We need to be able to trust
our elections. That's why I think any possible, any possible
issue with integrity should be addressed forcefully. We shouldn't be
going oh no, no, no, no, it should all be
addressed forcefully. And she sure didn't sound forceful in this interview. Uh, Mandy,

(31:32):
Jenner resign depends on the election results. Yeah, no, that
won't happen. Should Jenner resign? Says this text Sir, Well,
her supporter Soros is more likely offering her a bonus,
not a template for the resignation letter. Maybe, Mandy, what's
that flushing sound Griswold's governor's campaign. Oh hang on, that
just updated governor campaign going down the drain. Now, if

(31:54):
we can just get Polis to make an oops like this,
I do believe and pretty much anyone watching knows that
Jenna Griswold was planning on running for governor at some point.
I think more likely the next governor will probably be
Phil Wiser, because I don't see anybody on the Republican

(32:14):
side that's going to be able to make enough of
a dent to stop the next assumed Democrat. And usually
I mean the attorney general age is basically like governor waiting.
That's what the position there, Mandy. Is it up to
Jenna Griswold to resign or is there some office above
her that could force her decision? You know, I will

(32:35):
see this because we have elected offices. We don't have
a we don't have a system where the governor gets
to choose his own cabinet. We have elected offices. So
there's not a boss per se that could fire her
except the voters. There could be a recall. They could
run a recall. I hate to say it, but the

(32:57):
Republican Party is such a mess that they don't have
the ability to run a recall. They don't have the
money to run a recall. Right now, they've got a
fundraising email out you guys, so on Twitter right now,
I'm going to read you the tweet from the Colorado
Republican Party. Yesterday we exposed at Jenna Griswold for leaking

(33:19):
election passwords that compromise our Colorado elections. With less than
a week to go, please review the article from at
Gateway Pundit and help us raise one hundred thousand dollars
to seek legal action and secure fair election outcomes. And
then you click on the link and it is the
Lindell Offense Fund Lindel plan dot com. Breaking news. Griswold

(33:44):
leaked Colorado election passwords to the public. She didn't leak them,
she made them all. I mean, anybody could get them.
That's not a leak, that's a hey, here they are
if you're clever enough to hit the unhigh button. So
she won't resign, but I do hope that this puts
a dagger through the heart of her hopes of being

(34:05):
governor because I genuinely think this woman is incompetent. I
don't think it's a matter of because there's people in
office here that are Democrats that I have to say
I disagree with them, but they do their job really well.
She is not one of them. She is the opposite
of that. Absolutely. Now, if the governor came to her
and said, Jenna, you need to go. If the governor

(34:27):
made a public statement that said we need a secretary
of State that the entire population can trust and Jenna
has violated that trust in so many ways that she
needs to step down, maybe that would have an effect.
But I don't think he's going to do that because
he is counting on all the Democrats for his run
when he runs for president in twenty twenty eight. Yep, Mandy,

(34:51):
you think Kyle was tough on Jenna because she's a female.
I cannot recall a time he was tough on a male.
I can't answer that. I don't want him enough to
make an educated comment about that texture when we get
back or shifting gears entirely, which I'm pretty excited about,
not gonna LIEU coming up on the next segment. Let

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Speaker 7 (35:19):
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I am having it? Am I am I shooting electricity
out of my fingers because today computers hate me.

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You know, when you get a certain age, ha ha,
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Speaker 3 (35:57):
All right, kids, So we're gonna have a little breaking
break from the politics stuff, unless, of course, ay Rod
can't get Rose Polsi on the phone. I reached out
to her, texting back and forth. I want to get
her on to talk about the Katannic Griswold situation. Just
saw this from Rick instrom on X. I want you
to imagine what the local media would have done to
Wayne Williams in the scenario had he blanked up in

(36:18):
this fashion. He didn't write out the bad word.

Speaker 7 (36:23):
So there you go. There you go.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
We'll get back to that in a little bit. But
I got a lot of the interesting stuff on the
blog that isn't necessarily political that I want to dip
my toe into one. Did you see these Yankee fans
in the World series? Did you see this? What the
If there was ever any doubt, the Yankee fans sucked
the most, So let me just lay this out for you.

(36:46):
Mookie Bets the Dodgers Yankees World Series. Mookie Bets runs
like a maniac over to catch a fly ball. He
jumps up over the wall, gets the ball, and these
two Yankee fans literally tried to rip it out of
his hands, grab his glove, hold his glove, try to

(37:06):
rip the ball. I mean, it was beyond absurd. It
was crazy. Now the guys got kicked out. I think
they should just be like, no, sorry, you can never
come to a baseball game.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
I believe I saw, and I'm looking to double check.
I believe that they are banned for Game five. But
there was a way crazier of a comment. If I'm
trying to remember exactly what they said, then give me
a second they find it. It was something along the
lines of like, well that ball was in our territory.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Well it was song of the guy's arguing with the
ref because the ref's up there like yelling at the guys,
and he's literally going the ball was on this side
of our line. It's in our it's in our side
of the No, no, you don't get to touch a
player or his glove or anything relating to a player
making a play.

Speaker 7 (37:50):
It was just crazy.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
But this is just to me indicative of how far
our society has fallen. Anyone that would think it would
be okay to accost a baseball player in the middle
of a game and try and rip a ball out.
What in what world would that ever be appropriate? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
Quote, we always joke about the ball in our area.
We're not going to go out of our way to attack.
If it's in our area, we're going to de up.
Someone defends, someone knocks the ball, we talk about it.
We're willing to do this.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Are you a player? No, he not say that. I'm
gonna double check or that is what I'm reading here.
I mean, don't get me wrong, it's feasible that that
could have been said. But wow, wow, I mean wow,
it was shocking. I just thought, Okay, here we go.

(38:42):
But nonetheless, the out was given. It was fine. Rookie
Betts was honestly like, what is happening right now? No,
that's that's what he said. This guy's name is, uh,
where to go here? Colossal tool? Is that his given name?
Copa Bianco? Is his last name? Close? Colossal tool?

Speaker 4 (39:01):
Copo Bianca. Huh, that's what he said. That's what he said,
thinking he's a player. But I mean, I mean, anywhere
within catchable distance is within the field of play. It
becomes within the field of play. And the fact that
this guy doesn't understand that is silly. I will I
will offer this, Mandy. Yes, for a year I worked
at ESPN in Bristol, Connecticut. Yes, you can imagine what

(39:23):
fan bases of people I worked with socks nets, Yeah, Yanks. Yeah,
this doesn't surprise me. I'll leave it at that, because
I got some criticism when I worked there for critiquing
fan bases along those lines of way that certain people act.
And again I don't want to lump in anyone to
one underlying statement. But uh yeah, again that doesn't This

(39:44):
doesn't surprise me. I'll leave it at that.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah, yes, I am like, come on, yeah, I just
it was one of those things that you're thinking to yourself,
what in what world is this? Okay, but it's Yankees fans.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
Fan from Game five? But they did, Am I reading
this right? They got a ticket refund for that game
they got kicked out of.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
No.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
No, on the back of your ticket, it says if
you get kicked out, you are not going to be compensated.
It says that on the back of the ticket.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
I'm reading right here from who is this the International
Business Times?

Speaker 7 (40:19):
Let me.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Double check. Maybe they compensated for the game they're not
going to get to go to hang on interference because
they cannot. There's no way. They just cannot give them
their money about. I mean, that's just that's absurd. They
were reportedly had their tickets refunded. Yeah, that's what it says.

(40:41):
What that can't be right? No, maybe for the game
they they're banned from. Maybe they got their their money
back there and yeah, yeah five, So I mean they
because honestly, I have friends who've been kicked out of
football games, professional football games because they got super super
super super super super super super drunk. And they deserve it.

(41:05):
They deserve every bit of it. And did I By
the way, when the people that you're with get kicked
out of a football game, you don't have to leave.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
Now this right here, Jesse Rodgers from ESPN covers Major
League Baseball. They will be refunded for their tickets as
in the game that they interfered in Game four.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
No, there's no way those guys should never get their
money back. Never if you're going to act the fool
like that. But hey, maybe that's what they expect from
Yankees fans. I don't know, Yeah, I do not know.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
I'm seeing multiple reports here that they got refunded or
going to get refused.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Yeah, so that video is on the blog if you
want to see them try to wrestle the ball out
of Mookie BET's hands. It's really really bad going to catch.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
It's one thing because when your eye all eyeballing that
thing come to you, you probably aren't seeing the player
also coming for it. There's the argument you made like
that is purely just bad luck.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
On the fans side, like you did not see that.
But the fact that you can.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
See Mooki going to catch it, it's it is you're
trying to pry open his glove.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
It's not. There was no question that Mookie Bets caught
the ball. That's the thing. Now what kills me about
this is remember the Cubs guy, Nomber, the Cubs guy
who reached he reached hand of the field, the area
of the field to catch the ball and created a
cute kerfuffle and basically had to go into hiding. And
then you have these two idiots. Steve Hartman, Thank you

(42:22):
Steve Hartman. He was he was a Halloween costume for
God's sake, because it was such a big deal. And
these guys have no problem doing even worse. I hate
I am.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
I am actually pretty shocked that they don't have a
band for the rest of these series. It's not extended
beyond that. I would not let them come back. You're
telling me that if they win game five they get
to go to get Well and then well, yeah, the ones,
because they would be well, six and seven would be
in LA. So I guess technically they could go well,
you know, I guess technically, then they are banned the
rest of the series because five, wait.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Or no, it goes six. It goes back and forth
the last three yeah, two, So five will be in
New York. Wait, five will be in New York. Six
will be in LA. Set what game is this? This
is four or five that they just played? They they
just played four. I'm not paying attention. I don't care.
There's not enough money in the world to make me
watch a Yankee Dodger series. I just don't. All the

(43:16):
money in the world is because of this series. Uh,
it's the reason we have this series. So they're in
They're in New York tonight for Game five, and then.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
This is the rest of the series. So because the
six and seven are in LA, they do not alternate
that's the weird thing. That's the weird thing. Baseball is
two three two.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Three two. Yes, oh that is weird. Yeah, two in
LA the three that goes back and forth for the
last three games. Right, yes, okay, yeah, Mandy says that text.
Or they did not try to wrestle the ball out
of Mookie's glove. They did get it out and Ben
is risked and elbow back doing so ridiculous. It should
be pretty clear, how clear it is that you're not

(43:56):
supposed to interfere or just think about that dude in
Chicago during the playoff game, exactly right. He actually had
to change his name because of that. Brtman really Martman.
I don't know if he changed his name. That's just
the texture said that, Mandy. I'm not a Yankee fan,
nor do I watch most baseball except the World Series.
But I thought the incident with the fan interference was
hilarious and typical of New York behavior. But I'm a

(44:17):
big time hockey fan and yearn for the days when
fans would scuffle with players in the penalty box. Great
entertainment and great for talk radio. I went to a
hockey game one time with a friend of mine, from Buffalo.
It was a massive Sabers fan and this was minor
league hockey. So we paid, you know, a wopping thirty
bucks and we get right behind the glass, right next
to the penalty box. So as soon as the other

(44:40):
team comes in the penalty box, this guy from Buffalo
just starts jawing, just like you suck, I mean, just
yelling at this guy who's like like six inches away
from us. And he very calmly sat there, and right
before he went back on the ice, he looked over
at my friend and just went, I remember my first
two my first beer too, buddy. And it was hilarious.

(45:03):
It's well done, well done, Mandy. Maybe the baseball club
decided it was easier and cheaper to refund the ticket
than fight the lawyer the stupid heads were going to hire.
I'd say I would have fought that to the very end,
because this kind of stiff when you don't have some
significant penalties. What happens the next time they break his arm?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
You know?

Speaker 3 (45:24):
I mean it was crazy, absolutely crazy. So has anybody
stayed in a hotel lately and noticed something weird about
what they're doing with bathrooms in hotels? So the last
hotel Chuck and I stayed in. Not the last hotel.
The hotel before that did not have a door to
the bathroom. It had a barn door that slid, you know,

(45:47):
in front. And the barn door was not a solid door.
It had a glass insert in the middle. Now it
was frosted glass, so that was supposed to make you
feel better. But a barn door does not contain the
things that happen in the bathroom to the bathroom area. Okay,
and I have a whole article on the blog today

(46:07):
about hotel chains making these like open concept bathrooms where
they have windows into the bathrooms, and I'm thinking, where's
this coming from. Who's deciding this. When we bought our house,
we did not have a bathroom door between our master
bedroom and the bathroom, which was extremely inconvenient because I

(46:30):
was doing a morning show, so I was getting up
at three o'clock in the morning and I would need
to go into the bathroom to get ready to go,
and there was no door. We have fixed that problem.
It is taken care of the refund is for tonight's game,
says this texter. So you know that's ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. Oh,
hang on, We're gonna get to this because I wanted

(46:52):
to talk to Rose but Gleasi, she is the House
Minority leader, and they have issued a statement about the
Jennat Griswold situation. W thank you for making time. I
really appreciate that.

Speaker 9 (47:03):
Well, thanks, Mandy, I really appreciate you having me on.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Well let's talk about what House Republicans are asking for.
What exactly are you guys looking for from the Secretary
of State's office.

Speaker 9 (47:14):
So basically what we have called for is for Jenna
Griswold to resign.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
I think we all know that there have been a
series of issues coming out of the Secretary of State's
office that has just a recklessess regard for professional standards
and transparency, which leads to distrust in our election process.
We can go back to the mailing postcards to thirty
thousand non citizens legally encouraging them to regstra a vote,

(47:39):
falsely informing the voters that they hadn't voted when they
had and now this closing elections with some pastors on
the internet like at some point that people of Colorado
need a competent secretary of State, and I think that
point is now.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
I agree wholeheartedly. And for those who are just joining
us who may not know the Secretary of State's office
put out documentation that accidentally included a hidden page that
contained all the passwords for the voting machines. Now Rose
in your knowledge, there are enough. Oh, let me just

(48:13):
ask the question, do you feel like we need to
worry about the security of this upcoming election?

Speaker 5 (48:19):
I do not, and I'm on the ballot as well,
right so as a candidate myself, I trust my clerk
and recorder.

Speaker 9 (48:25):
I trust the entirety of our clerk and recorders from
around the state. There are additional safeguards in place to
ensure the safety of our election.

Speaker 6 (48:34):
System, Thank goodness.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
But you know, I really do think turning our attention
to Jenner Griswold and the incompetence of her office is
really important.

Speaker 9 (48:44):
So please vote, Please get your voices heard. I mean,
I think that that is so such an important message
right now. But we also have to make sure that
we put the blame where it belongs, which is on
Jenna griswolves And.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
You guys also lay out the other really egregious mistakes
that she has made over her tenure as Secretary of
State and they're bad. These are not no big deal things.
And the thing that really got me rose was and
I put the interview that Jennie Griswell did with Kyle Clark,

(49:19):
and Kyle really pushed her on this. She did not
seem contrite at all. She seemed very cavalier about it,
very flippant about it, like, oh, it's yes, it's passwords,
but were she didn't even notify the county clerks that
this had happened. To me, that's the part that I
feel like really demands resignation, not so much that it happened,

(49:41):
but her response to it being well, it's not that
big a deal, when it truly it is a huge deal.

Speaker 6 (49:48):
I agree.

Speaker 10 (49:48):
I mean, I think the mismanagement of the office, the
incompetence of the office, especially over something so important as
our election system, I think that in itself definitely warrants resignation.

Speaker 9 (49:59):
But you're right, the fact that she has failed to
take responsibility for her actions just continues to foster, just
testing her in the system and her ability to be
able to do the job of Secretary of State.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Well, I don't think there's any chance she's going to resign,
But have you had the opportunity to speak with any
of your Democratic colleagues to see how they feel about this,
and would any of them be willing to step forward
and say, you know what, we have too many people
who already doubt the election integrity here in Colorado. We
cannot afford to have these kind of mistakes, and she

(50:32):
should step down. Have you heard any of that. I
have not heard that.

Speaker 9 (50:38):
In fairness, I have not reached out to my Democrat
colleagues at this point. I do think focusing on making
sure that people call her at our informs that they
show up to vote. I mean, that is my priority
right now. I do think we're looking at a variety.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
Of options of the caucus as to how we prevent
something like this from going forward and making.

Speaker 9 (50:59):
Sure that that's held accountable. So I think we are
still looking obviously all of this expression.

Speaker 7 (51:04):
New as you said, so, I still looking into all
of our options.

Speaker 6 (51:07):
But at this point, and really.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
Truly, if there's one takeaway method other than Dennergates Welture resign,
is that please.

Speaker 9 (51:15):
Do get your ballots in, please do get your voice heard.
I think that that is such an important taakeaway for today.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
I saw some responses on x from people I'm assuming
are Republican saying things like this proofs that they're cheating.
There's not a point in voting. They're going to win anyway.
I don't know if they're Republicans. They could just be
people trying to rabble rouse but that message is so dangerous.
And message that you just gave that people need to

(51:42):
vote and they need to get their ballots in and
they need to go to ballot tracks make sure they're
counted is incredibly important, and I'm hoping that that sort
of anti voting voice stays quiet and in the background.

Speaker 9 (51:55):
I agree we have a great opportunity to restore balance
in Colorado, but we can't do it alone. We need
people to show up to get their voices heard, to
make sure that they're.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
Balancing in so that they can be counted. And again
I touch, I trust the integrity of my county clerk.
You're in al Paso County and county clerks that I
know from.

Speaker 9 (52:12):
Across the state who are working so hard to make
sure every vote is counted and that it's counted correctly.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
So please do get out and vote. Rose, the Glacy
House Minority Leader, thank you so much for popping on
and making some time for us.

Speaker 10 (52:25):
Thank you, Mandy.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
All right, thanks Rose. So that is we'll see what
happens next. But this is a huge misstep and has
to be addressed. I love those of you who are
sharing about your hotel experiences. I'll want some weird hotel
experience is not like anything strange, but hotels are doing
some dumb stuff. And now a lot of hotels because
during COVID they stop cleaning hotel rooms on a daily basis,

(52:49):
which is fine with me. A lot of times I
leave my you know, do not disturb on the thing.
I don't care if my bed's made when I get
back or not. But now they're like, if you want
service for your room, you have to call us and
ask no. No, Like I'm fine with every other day,
tell me every other day. I'm fine with that, but
don't maybe call down and be like, yeah, can you
come clean my filthy room? That just feels weird, just

(53:10):
feels strange. My son just turned eighteen and registered as
an independent. He received two ballots in the mail. Texter
was that for the primary or for the general election.
He should have only gotten one for the general election
and two for the primary because if you're an independent,
you get both ballots and you choose which one you

(53:34):
want to return. So would it be worth it to
email Governor Polis demanding that Jenna Clark w Griswold resign.
That would be pretty funny. I mean, that's a pretty funny, Mandy.
I'm not a Trump voter, but it is an absolute
disgrace what these dem secretary of States are doing across

(53:55):
the country. When all hell breaks loose across the country,
we cannot allow them to place the blame on the citizens.
The fraud that they are doing in plain sight must
be addressed, and they must be held accountable. I'm not
going to say that Jenna Griswold was engaged in any fraud.
I am going to say Jenna Griswold is incompetent because
I don't have any proof that anybody put these out

(54:16):
there for everybody to get. I don't have any proof
that that was a malicious thing. I really don't. Maybe
it was by the person who actually put it on there,
but right now we have multiple, multiple evidences that she
is incompetent and needs to step down. Mandy. Would Griswold

(54:37):
quitting or fired compromise the confidence in the up and
coming voting process. I would think that it would. Ah,
that's a tough question. I don't think so. I think
that people who think the vote is rigged are going
to continue to think the vote is rigged. And unfortunately
a lot of those people are Republicans and some of
them are not going to return a ballot because of it.

(54:58):
And I think that's exactly what the Democrats want. They
love it. They love that there is a section of
the right wing that has been completely taken over by
conspiracy theories about the electoral process because they know that
a person on the right who doesn't cast their ballot
is practically a vote for someone on the left. So please,

(55:20):
for the love of God, return your ballots. Just saying, Mandy,
what you doing? Pooin just love that open bathroom door concept.
What's next? I do not, Mandy. Have you change how
much you tip the hotel staff in the rooms since
they don't come every day? Yes, but not by much.
I usually just leave like a fiver. I'm not a

(55:40):
big housekeeping tipper. I just leave like a thank you
amount of money. You know, it's like cruise, like a
whole week in the steward I mean then you get
your bed turned down. I mean that's cruise service is
not anything like hotel service. Hotel service sucks compared to
cruise service. Just saying that's why I love cruises so much.
They make you feel so pampered. Yeah, when we get

(56:02):
back animals, man, I tells exactly, although not all cruise
lines do that. Oh oh, now, I have a candidate
coming on next. He is running for the House, and
we're going to talk to Sam Vandermere in about five minutes.
Keep it here. If we're going to be able to
pull Colorado back from the brink of single party rule,
we've got to get some common sense Republicans elected. And

(56:24):
joining me now is Sam Bandimere. He wants to be
your representative from the nineteenth district in the Colorado Senate. Sam,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (56:33):
Well, thank you, Mandy, good to be with you today.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Well, I want to start the interview by addressing your
very well known last name. Bandimere has a long reputation here.
What is your connection, if any, to the Speedway.

Speaker 7 (56:47):
Well, yeah, I'm a first cousin to Johnny. His dad
and my dad were brothers, so we're first cousins and
it's all family. What can I say?

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Excellent? Excellent. Now the nineteenth Senate district that covers it's
a big old chunk of Jefferson County. Is it all
in Jefferson County? I can't quite figure out if it's
all in Jefferson County. It looks like it, though, yes
it is.

Speaker 7 (57:09):
It basically covers all of our vata, about half a
Westminster and all of Leiden or Leyden. However you want
to pronounce that all right?

Speaker 3 (57:17):
What made you want to run for the state Senate
at this point in your life?

Speaker 7 (57:21):
Well, you know, as a native of Colorado, I grew
up when the American dream was alive, and so it's
my desire and purpose to return those values for our
future generations here in Colorado. So you know, I enlisted
in the Navy when I was seventeen, did two tours
in Vietnam. So I am proud to say I'm a
veteran and looking out for our veterans as one of

(57:45):
my goals. I've started three companies over my career and
established another ten around the world. So I'm running to
restore physical responsibility and limited the government to Colorado and
specifically some of my priorities are too. I want to
repeal that Colorado bag law. And you know that a
lot of people say, well, that's you know, there's bigger

(58:08):
fish to frize than that, But it's really symbolic of
really what I want to accomplish, and that's to eliminate
these state taxes that are masquerading as fees. And then
of course I want to reduce and control property taxes.
I want to declare Colorado a non sanctuary state, and
then these sanctuary cities in Colorado, so I want to

(58:31):
repeal these laws that are blocking state agencies to cooperate
with ICE and detain and deport these criminal illegal immigrants.
I want to encourage the development and adoption of a
net zero energy program that will reduce our common emissions
and current loads on our electrical grid. My home is
in that zero so we know how to do that.

(58:53):
I want to repeal the laws and regulations that are
hindering the development of Colorado's match and natural gas and
oil production. So, you know, got a lot to accomplish,
and as of right now, my opponent does not support
any of these and has actively voted to block most
of them. As a member of the State House. So yeah,

(59:15):
you know, I've got great aspirations. It's going to be fun,
but a serious one.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
I thought, well, and here's the thing. All of the
things that you just talked about, preserving tabor, lowering taxes
and making fees subject to TABOR again, all of this stuff.
This is the Colorado that I moved into ten years ago.
And I tell people all the time, the changes that
have occurred, especially since twenty nineteen, when well twenty thirteen

(59:41):
really when Democrats really took hold of Colorado, have been significant,
and they've been the kind of changes that are foundationally changing,
right like the attacks on TABOR, which are are not
going to stop. So when people in your district, when
you are going in knocking doors and you're talking to people,
what are the Number one is use that people talk about?

Speaker 7 (01:00:01):
Sam Well, obviously the first one, and I've knocked on
a lot of doors, including all the businesses in downtown
Arvada and so forth. The economy, without a doubt is
number one. So you know these You know, one of
the things I try to explain to people when it
comes to inflation at the state level, our hands are

(01:00:25):
kind of tied because that's really a federal issue where
they keep printing all this money. You know, we can't
print money as a state, so we've got to balance
our budget with what we have. But I do believe
that we can make Colorado's economy strong enough to overcome
a lot of these issues and give our people a

(01:00:46):
strong economy to work with here in Colorado.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Well, Sam, I'm glad you're running. Republicans are so hopelessly
outnumbered in the House and the Senate that we've got
to get some good people back in the House in
the Senate to sort of bring some balance back to Colorado.
How do you if you find yourself in a house
where you are part of a small much smaller minority,
how do you get things done when you are in

(01:01:11):
the minority. What's your plan?

Speaker 7 (01:01:14):
Well, my opponent says her plan is your collaboration, And
of course there's nothing wrong with collaborator collaboration, but collaboration
that produces a bad result is worse than no collaboration
at all. Right, Uh So, yeah, I intend to work
with those across the aisle.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:01:35):
I think there's a lot of things that we agree on,
but a lot of things we disagree on, and some
of them we have to agree to disagree, but it's
a matter who has the most votes at the bottom line, right,
So we're gonna we're gonna work with that, and and
we've got to, you know, try to get an economy

(01:01:59):
that supports our small businesses and which is really the
backbone of our economy and nearly half of our citizens.
So getting our economy up and going. And one of
the ways I want to kickstart that is through our
oil and gas industries. I think if we can get
you know, the regulations top of them, get them going,

(01:02:21):
and then obviously I do have a net zero energy
program that long term well well work into that, but
we need to kickstart right now, and I believe the
oil and gas industry is the way to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
I agree, But I think as long as Jared Poulis's governor,
he hates the oil and gas industry. I really think
when they when they fracked across from his vacation home,
that was too much for him, and he and he
just has decided oil and gas must die in the state.
So I admire you for going to back for oil
and gas, and I hope the voters take that into consideration.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
Sam.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Why should people vote for Sam Vandamir in House District
number nineteen Senate District number nineteen.

Speaker 7 (01:03:02):
Well, obviously, I'm I really have two things that I'm
working on. One is saving you money by lowering your taxes,
and the other is keeping you safe by getting tough
on crime. And so those are the two things that
I really want to focus on. But the third one
of it, of course, is is the net zero energy program,

(01:03:22):
where we're going to be able to save you save
seventy five percent of our eliminate seventy five percent of
our carbon output.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:03:32):
And those are real numbers. I mean, we're out here
doing it. It's it's they're they're you know, my home
to net zero. We've got all the numbers to work with.
So you know, for those that are kind of on
the left and and concerned about our environment, we've got
the answers for that. So, uh, you know, between between

(01:03:53):
the environment, between taxes and all these issues that we're facing.
That by the way, the Democrats own all of these
issues that we're at. They've been in power for the
last twelve years, so they on it. And all we
got to do is just ask the voter public out there.

(01:04:13):
You know, if you like, what's the way things are. Vote,
you know, vote my opponent. But but if you want
to see a real change, give us Republicans a chance.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Sam bandam yep, Sam Vandamir. You can find his website
Sam for Colorado dot Com. I linked it on my blog,
but it's pretty easy to remember. Sam for Colorado dot Com. Sam,
best of luck to you. I just got a text
that said, please tell Sam good luck. I will encourage
all my friends on social media in his district to
vote for him. So you got one, all right?

Speaker 6 (01:04:42):
All right, Sam, thank.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
You, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
I appreciate your time today. Okay, all right, that's Sam
Vandimir for the nineteenth Senate district here in Colorado. Give
him a look. Sam for Colorado dot Com. We'll be
right back. We got a lot of stuff on the blog.
I'm looking to see what else is happening. Ye ay, Eric,
Can we just play what is my second favorite video.

Speaker 8 (01:05:07):
Of the year?

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Yes, yep, Halloween. Now, if you're wondering why this is
my favorite video, when you look at the actual video
that I'm playing right now, all of these noises are

(01:05:30):
being made as hand farts. Do you know what I'm
talking about? Spooky dookies. Can you do the hand fart?
I can't. My hands are too skinny. I don't have
enough hand fat. You gotta have a little bit of
hand fat. I have no hand fat, so one part
of my body with no fat. My hands, I got nothing.
It's all hand fat. My friends, and the guy apparently

(01:05:52):
has an entire catalog of the hand fart songs. Let's
just see what else he's got. Ahead tales, got a
whole bunch of hand fart songs. System of a down,

(01:06:13):
we got one of those. Let me have my audio
while it's hand farts. You're right now, we can't do it.
You're right. Didn't think about it. He had lyrics the
last time. So we'll do that at a later day.
But if you want to just see the Halloween theme
done via hind fartz, there you go. That is on
the blog today. Jd Vance sitting down with Joe Rogan

(01:06:34):
tomorrow and when the when the sort of post mortem
of the election is done. If Kamala Harris loses, there's
going to be a lot of talking about the strategic
decisions that her campaign made during the campaign, one of
those being to announce that Kamala Harris was thinking about

(01:06:56):
going on the Joe Rogan Show, but then not actually
do it, which just opened the door for Donald Trump
is like, oh, she can't make it. I'll pop on.
He was on for three hours. Now tomorrow jd Vance
is gonna be on the Joe Rogan Experience. I'm sorry,
it's Friday. Oh no, it is tomorrow. It is tomorrow.
I'm seeing Friday from last Friday. Now, let me see here.

(01:07:18):
Let me do this real quick. Let me go to YouTube.
Let me go to Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan Trump. Let's
see how many views this thing has? Forty million views
on YouTube and then millions more on X. Because Rogan
said the Twitter was throttling, they could look at the

(01:07:40):
traffic on the back end and tell that Twitter was
throttling the interview. So they said, screw you, We're gonna
put it on X and they did. So there you go,
There you go. Now jd Vance is gonna sit there.
I gotta tell you I listened to you about.

Speaker 7 (01:07:56):
Eh.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
I mean I could lie and say listen to an hour,
but an hour probably listening to like thirty five to
forty minutes of Trump on Rogan because I wanted to
hear the part where he was talking about tariffs and
the part where he said he was gonna replace income
taxes with tariffs, and it was it was fine, It
was nothing to write home about. It was Trump being Trump.
You know the problem with attacking Trump at this point

(01:08:19):
is that we all know exactly who he is, right,
So there's nothing shocking. There's nothing outrageous that you can
say about Donald Trump that we haven't heard before. It's
why the Nazis and the fascist things are not landing
with people outside of the Democratic Party. They're just we've
you know what, He's already been president and I am
not currently wearing a handmade sale outfit, So none of

(01:08:42):
that stuff came true. At some point, when you cry
wolf over and over and over and over again, and
then it doesn't happen, people stop listening to you, and
that's what's happened now with the Nazi and all that stuff.
But I think Jade Vance is going to be even
better on Joe Rogan. I'm i listen to all three
hours of this bad Boy, cause I just think Jade

(01:09:02):
Vance is just a better speaker. He's a better articulator
of conservative positions and why they matter. He's very, very
very quick on his feet. He is the same age
roughly as Joe Rogan. He's actually a little younger, so
they are peers. I think it's going to be a
really great interview, and I think it's going to be
even more ammunition for people, especially young men, to vote

(01:09:27):
for the Trump Vance tickets. So I think it is
a great move by the Trump Vance campaign and a
really bad move by the Harris campaign to loft it
in the first place. It's okay that they say no,
we're not going to do it unless he comes to us.
They what they did was they put requirements on Joe

(01:09:47):
Rogan that he knew, they knew he would say no to,
so they could say, look, we tried to make it happen,
but we just can't fly to Austin, Texas for three hours,
even though both Donald Trump did and Jadie Vance's we
can't do that. They absolutely can, by the way, but
they're not. So the lofting in the first place is
one of those strategic errors that this campaign has made,

(01:10:10):
and they've made a lot of them. Now she wins,
nobody's gonna say anything about it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
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Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
To the third hour of the show. I got to
collect myself. Jd Vance recorded his UH interview with Joe
Rogan today, so it should be up later this afternoon.
Had the day wrong there? Now I am going to
bring on someone. I got to tell you, guys, I
wish that I had done this earlier, not because it
changed my opinion, and we'll get to that in a
little bit. A couple of days ago, I had a

(01:11:02):
long conversation with an Alaskan state senator about ranked choice voting,
and now Senator Mike Storm joins me to talk about it.
First of all, thank you so much for making time
for me twice. I really appreciate that, Manny.

Speaker 7 (01:11:15):
No promise my pleasure. Cholera's in my heart. My wife
from there, her brothers and sisters all lived there, spent
time down the road from me at the school for
way we're children back in the day. So I am
happy to come on board and pass along some of
our experiences up here in the Great Way, Goring.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Well, I want to ask you specifically because I think
it's interesting your background. You're not exactly a ride for
the brand Republican. And I say that only because here
in Colorado a vast majority of the opposition has come
from people who want to protect the two party system.
But after talking to you, I don't feel like that's

(01:11:50):
necessarily your motivation here in this conversation. So I mean,
is that a fair assessment.

Speaker 7 (01:11:56):
Yes, it is. As I told you, for a number
of years, my wife and I were what we call
declared up in Alaska. While I have been a Republican
most of the time when I was in the military
for twenty four years, I also was pretty frustrated with
what I saw as the politics at the national level
and a lot of rhetoric and divisiveness which only seems
to have gotten worse. So we had gone towards this

(01:12:17):
undeclared category. If you're back to the Republican parties, I've
been there for the last eight years. But like I
told you, I said, I look at it and I
see there are definitely problems on both sides, and at
times I've even had some issues more with some of
the Republican publishment that I've even had with Democrats. As
my German Shepherd call you about the other day. Sorry,

(01:12:38):
she likes the bark right right when she shouldn't. But yeah,
so I am a lot more of what you would
call a conservative libertarian than I am writing for the brand.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
So what do I want to get into today, because
I don't have a ton of time, But I want
to get into the practical way rank choice voting has
been deployed in Alaska. And you have a similar program
to the one that we're talking about here. You have
everybody on a primary ballot and a universal primary. You
vote for one of those people. Now you guys have
top two. You have top four that go to the general.

Speaker 7 (01:13:11):
Correct, that's correct. Main is the other state with it.
They have a top two and when it was installed
in Alaska, and I say that for a specific reason,
they installed a top four system.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
Okay, So what has actually happened? What has been the
result of ranked choice voting in terms of Let's start
with voter turnout first.

Speaker 7 (01:13:29):
So, first of all, I had I was the committee
of what was called State Affairs. Chairman of that committee
which deals with these kinds of issues, the executive branch,
state level issues. That was my job for four years
in the Senate, and what we had was a professor
from Stanford. He's done the deepest dive on URCV or
ranked choice voting that I've seen yet, and a lot
of conversations about He predicted that we would have the

(01:13:51):
lowest turnout, which we did. He predicted we would disenfranchise
the votes for specific groups, which we did, and those
four groups that we know happens from empirical battle from Alaska,
New York, San Francisco, other places that have had RCV
for some time. You will disenfranchise at a higher rate
the votes of minorities, senior citizens, English as a second
language speaker, and those with less than high school education.

(01:14:11):
Because it is complicated, it can be confusing. The bubble
diagram can look like an engineering chart when you're trying
to figure out the ballot, and a lot of those
folks and the more vulnerable groups will just give up
and over time they actually vote less. So those were
predictions that came true. It has definitely cost us more money.
It's more expensive to operate. So we are seeing and
give you one final result on that is for example,

(01:14:32):
Alaska had a US Congressman a Republican for fifty years.
There's twice as many Republicans in Alaska as there are Democrats,
and yet under RCV, for our first election in twenty
twenty two, under it, two years ago, a Democrat got
elected to the US congressional seat. That gives you an
idea of how it does not work out like they promise.
And almost two thirds of the elections under RCV. And

(01:14:53):
this is my last point, and I'll shut up and
con this is just all the data. Is my head
is that they'll say, oh, you get a plurality, a
majority the support for each of the cannons, and RCV
you don't. Over sixty percent of the time, they get
less than fifty percent of the vote. Based on how
the algorithms work, because remember this is run by a
computer algorithm, you'll have two or three or even four
iterations of the vote. So it gets complicated. And that's that.

(01:15:14):
These are just some of the downfalls of it, and
the promises that the proponents will tell you do not
always work out that way.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
What do you think motivated the proponents to get this installed?
Where do you think? What do you think the endgame
is here.

Speaker 7 (01:15:26):
I can tell you this, and I know you and
I had an interesting conversation about your thoughts on it
in a state where you're kind of overrun by left
of center and Democrats, now where that's kind of a
blue powerhouse, right, and you're like, well, maybe we should
try something different, And honestly, maybe you should. Who knows
if it will work, But it was designed to turn
a red state blue. That's how it works. And I
will tell you that for sure when you look at
the places like New York and San Francisco that have

(01:15:47):
ring choice voting became blue and they're still blue, and
ring choice voting is not turned them red. And so
what you see is in these areas where you have
very conservative or red districts, it starts to move them
towards purple, towards blue, not the direction. And I will
give you one primary example. We have discovered what happens
is Democrats, people on the left side of the spectrum,
tend to kind of have a communal mindset, a hive right,

(01:16:08):
and they all march the same tune, still have one candidate.
They won't split the votes. We've learned that Republicans conservatives,
those on the kind of the red side of the
political spectrum. Wills are very independent mind right, like leave
me alone, you know, I'll tread on me. What they
do is we'll have two or three candidates running, you
will split the vote, and then that Democrat will get
in that would never get elected under a system where
you had a party primary, where you would put up

(01:16:30):
just two people right to vote, you know, one Democrat,
one Republican, maybe an independent or whatever else. And that's
what happens, and that's what it was designed to do,
and that is exactly what it does, and that is
our experience in Alaska. So we got smart this time around,
and Republicans said, you know what, if this is the game,
we got to play until we can repeal it, because
it isn't our ballot to repeal it here in a
couple of days and hopefully we will. We said, you know,

(01:16:52):
we cannot have two or three Republicans running against one
Democrat to the system, We'll keep losing. So we've convinced
most Republicans to drop out. So in thence we've turned
ourselves back to the old system anywhere is where we
just had one Republican right Democrat. It's exactly what we
had before, regardless because of otherwise, it just simply doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
So about the congressional race, do you think there was
a chance that if Sarah Palin and Nick badget baggage?
The two Republicans had campaigned using the if I'm not
your number one, make me your number two to encourage
people to vote for them, because their supporters did not
vote for the other Republican. And that's a huge problem.

(01:17:32):
One of the reasons I like rank choice voting is
because in theory, and everything is a theory until it,
you know, is you know, tested, in theory, it would
encourage candidates to campaign in a more positive manner while
delineating the differences between them and there they're you know,
similar party opponents, but also encouraging people, look, I'm still
better than the Democrat, or I'm still better than you

(01:17:54):
know what I mean. That did not happen in that
congressional race, did it.

Speaker 7 (01:17:58):
No, it did not, And I hate it too. To
counter your narrative. When we were talking on the phone
the other day, we found that the vitriol as at
least as that, if not worse, I mean, it is
downright nasty up here right now with ring choice voting
taken on just lies and misinformation. It's terrible. It's about
the worst I've ever seen actually, So that didn't clean
up anything. And like I told you, what we discovered
in practice versus theory, is that what happens is is

(01:18:20):
that you make that promise, say, well, you know, I
want everybody to vote for me first and put the
other one second, or vice versa. But what you had
was in practice, that's not how human beings operate. And
like I was telling you, the people that designed the system,
they know psychologically how human beings thank and how they operate.
And so you have a whole section of each of
those kind of Republican candidates are on the right side
of the spectrum who say I will never vote for

(01:18:41):
that person, or I will never vote for that person adult.
And when you end up with fifteen or twenty or
twenty five percent of the never, you know, never trumpers,
never Sarah Palin's never, Nick Faga just for us up
in Alaska, then they won't put down that secondary vote.
And so where you would have the vote for that
secondary person, you know that was the third vote getter.
If you will have three, and they drop off, and
now you only have the two left and the votes

(01:19:03):
get redistributed. Well, a certain number of votes don't get
redistributed because they didn't put down that second bubble. People
just won't do it. That's how it works for real.
And guess what, all of a sudden, where you would
have had more than enough votes. I think there was
one hundred and fourteen thousand votes where Republicans combined in
eighty five thousand or something like that for the Democrat. Well,
guess what after they run the algorithm and the one
drops off and you have the never voters for the

(01:19:24):
second bubble, the Democrat wins even though there was thirty
thousand more Republican votes for a Republican in this state
and a Democrat. Guess well, we have a US congresswoman
that's a Democrat. That's how the system works in practice,
right of what they promise you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
Yeah, and I've said this on the air, it's like
I kind of fear. In all honesty, I still support it.
If it sucks, we can repeal it as you guys
look like you're going to do it. But what we're
doing now is not getting the best candidates. It is
not getting people that people are excited to vote about.
Although I will see in this election cycle, primary voters
rejected the most extreme of the parties on both side.

(01:20:00):
So maybe we're coming to some kind of sense here
in Colorado. Senator Mike Storm, I really appreciate you taking
the time both to educate me the other day and
bring this to our listeners today, and maybe we'll chat
again after your vote next Tuesday to see if Alaska
repeals us. What is the polling on that? Right now?

Speaker 7 (01:20:19):
There is about sixty to sixty five percent consistent polling
for getting rid of ranked choice voting Alaska. It's not popular.
My wife runs a polling station, very unpopular. The only
thing we are concerned about, and I'll throw this at you,
I'm sure you're getting it too, is we are being
out spent one hundred to one, and almost all of
the money that's pouring into Alaska to the dark money.
They have about thirteen million dollars in our tiny little

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state population wise, to try to save ranked choice voting.
We have about one hundred and twenty thousand all raised
inside Alaska. So it's Arabel Advisors sixteen thirty five. They
are dumping money into Alaska, and I know why, and
it's very simple. They're trying to install rankedchice voting in
all the other states. And if Alaska repeals this, like
I told you the other day, after just four years,
the logical question downtown is going to be, well, wait

(01:21:01):
a minute, that is so great. Why did alask interpeal
it after only four years?

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
Correct, that's what we are.

Speaker 7 (01:21:05):
So I'm hoping it will to send the message to
stop the national narrative. We'll see, but certainly I will.
I'll reach out to you and tell you how it goes,
and you know, see what happens.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
Oh, I'll be watching. I'll be people watching. Alaska State
Senator Mike Storm really appreciate the conversation and the information, all.

Speaker 7 (01:21:21):
Right, mat all right, Paul, and let me explain that
you guys take care and good luck down there.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
All right, thanks a lot, man, I appreciate that. We'll
be right back. I'm going to read this one because
I think this is there's a couple of points here
that I think are really really good points that need
to be considered. One of them is is that this
is too challenging for some voters to figure out. Now,
I believe. And I still believe this because I just
I have to believe that voters can be educated enough

(01:21:47):
to make this work. And I know that Alaska did
voter education, and Mike told me that the specifically the
Republican Party was just basically their motto was rank read right, like,
make sure you're ranking all your Republicans. But and I
said this to Ross earlier, It's like, if someone can't

(01:22:07):
figure this out, do I really want them to weigh
in on important issues that are going to decide the
future of the state. I'm a voting snob, I really am.
And it's not about race or any of that stuff.
It's about if you can't just be a decent citizen
and educate yourself on things in any way, shape or form,

(01:22:28):
I don't think your vote should count as much as
someone who does. Straight up, I'm tired of morons canceling
out the votes of smart people. And by the way,
if you're a smart person on the left who's done
a lot of careful consideration and you make your decisions
based on what you believe to be the best options.
After that and you've come to a conclusion different than mine,
I'm not a snob. About your vote. Your vote can

(01:22:50):
cancel out mine. That's great, perfect, that's the way it's
supposed to be. But what we've got now, the system,
especially in Colorado with a dumpster fire that it is,
the Republican Party, is too geared and controlled by the
two party system, and I don't like that. One thing
we didn't talk about with him, and I didn't talk
about with him is the possibility of independent candidates or

(01:23:14):
center party candidates or third party candidates that have had
a really hard time getting a vote because everybody says,
you know what, they're not going to win. I don't
want to quote waste my vote on them. But now
you could vote your conscience. You could go ahead and
vote you know, your third party candidate, and then rank
your other candidates second, third, and fourth. The thing that
does concern me is encapsulated in this text message that

(01:23:37):
I'm going to read Mandy, reference your current guest. I
will say I told you so on one thirty one,
as in the message below I sent you back on
October seventeenth. The message is the biggest concerns I have
with ranked choice voting is that you have one party,
the Democrats, that has great discipline and acts like a
borg hive and another party Republicans, that has great that

(01:23:59):
as independent minded freethinkers, I see the hive controlling things
that have one candidate running against the multiple freethinker candidates,
and thus the freethinkers voted being diluted out against the
monolithic bloc vote. A recent parallel would be the Republican
CD four primary where you had the Bobert candidate against
large field of anti Bobert field that from Brian. Brian,

(01:24:22):
you're right, And I thought about this when I was like, okay,
if we have this right now, if we had ranked
choice voting in the fourth Congressional District, there's almost no
doubt in my mind that Tricia Calvareti would win. She
is the Democrat candidate, because there would be three Republicans
and there would be Tricia Calvareesi. Now the Republicans would

(01:24:42):
have to run on a platform of just vote Republican,
just vote Republican, and all of us like you, I
just I don't know. It pains me. It pains me
to realize that apparently the people who cast ballots that
are incredibly important, that make big decisions about really important

(01:25:04):
stuff in this country are too stupid to figure this out.
But that is what happened in Alaska. But I mean,
do I want the stupid people voting? Eh? Eh, I
don't know. We'll be right back