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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yes, he is well known to Denver Bronco fans for
his antics on the field. But now well he's in
a completely different field and Jake Plummer is joining us.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Jake, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
First of all, yeah, h Mannie, thanks for having me
on the show. It's great, honored and pleasure to be
here today.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So I said this earlier on the show.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
But normally, when you think about retired NFL guys, especially
guys who had a.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Long career like you did, they go into like they own.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
They buy a car dealership, or they go into financial services,
or they become a realtor. And yet Jake Plumber is
in the world of functional mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So let's start with how you be. First of all,
let's start with what are functional mushrooms?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, you know, you left out a couple A lot
of guys even go coach or go into the booth,
they start talking about the game.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
So I did a little of that.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Of course, as you get out of the game, you
try to figure out who you are, what you are,
and what tickles you, what makes your field. You know,
want to get up every day and beat passionate about
through the travels and those you know, ups and downs
the post career. I've stumbled across some opportunities to work
with nature and medicine and nature and plants as healing.
(01:14):
And you know, we talk about our diets a lot.
And you know, I heard Ziggi Marty say once in
a video, I sauce, I don't want to diet. Who
wants to die?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Man? I want to live it my living. This is
how I eat.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
And so you got you know, I've been just giving
it a lot of thought, as I was always taught
to be cognitive what I eat and what I put
in my body through my mom and her health journey
and being a very holistic person herself, feeding me Tofu,
talk Tofu waffles in the mornings and you know, garlic
and honey.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
For a cold.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Stumbled across, you know, the opportunity with functional mushrooms through
my best friend Dell Jolly and business.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Partner at Umbo, and started taking them.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And like anything, I don't get behind anything or try
to tell some one they should try this unless it
works for me. And I felt a lot of relief
from functional mushrooms and so functional mushrooms being non psychoactive,
fully legal, gourmet level like basically a food group that
(02:16):
we don't really eat much in the Western culture due
to microphobia and the fear of you know, there are
mushrooms that grow in your yard that if you eat them,
they could kill you. And there's mushrooms that grow in
the woods and in most notably like cowfeces, that are
psychedelic that can trip you out and take you into
(02:36):
you know, a whole other dimension. But there's also you know,
functional mushrooms that are some of them are gourmet that
you can eat on your plate for dinner, cook them up.
They're an amazing you know, supplement or an addition to
your plate or if you want to cut out meat a
little bit that still get all of the amino acids
and proteins and minerals and all that.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
And there's something that.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
You know, we were learning more about every day, and
I'm sometimes I shake my head too and go, how
the heck did I get from on the field at
mile high to you know, out in a farm out
Fort Lopton still at a mile high grow on functional mushrooms.
And it's just a fun journey. I never ever say never,
(03:20):
and things come my way. And so it's been an
educational process to let people know that there's an organism
that's been here for a long long time that's very
beneficial for our health and wellness.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
You know, this is a very Western medicine thing when
you start talking about food as medicine. But Jake, do
you feel like right now in our country it feels
like there is a movement building to recognize that what
we put in our mouth is the most important part of.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
How we take care of ourselves.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Right Like, there's people that are finally saying the standard
American diet is terrible and that we need to be
looking at food to heal some of the things that we've.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Been using drugs for.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I mean, is that the kind of stuff that you
guys are doing right now at Umbo.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, I mean that's that's part of the whole general
plan or you know, idea behind it is what is
there in nature that can provide us with Maybe it
doesn't completely wipe out whatever you're dealing with, but it
gives you that little edge or it's a positive intervention
towards what your goals are. And I think as a society,
(04:26):
we we need to mind not only we talk consumption
is what we eat, but overall just consumption of everything.
Like tuning into your show, you're gonna hear good stuff.
You're gonna hear pertinent information. You're gonna learn about good
things going on. You're not gonna have to process through,
you know, a bunch of riff wrath and.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Meth and negativity and stuff that.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Can affect you as we consume through our eyes, our ears,
our nose, our body, our mouths. So you know, consumption
in general is where you should art if you are
not healthy. And one of those things, most definitely is
what you put in your body as an addition to,
you know, what you do already.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
We have run a few you know, we're running some studies,
and there's.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
A lot of other large organizations bigger than us that
are doing studies all the time to figure out you know,
you hear a story about a little girl that takes
functional mushrooms named Lily. Lily's Lighthouse is an organization studying
functional mushrooms for children with epileptic seizures.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
So when one of these kids has success or has
like a profound change in their in their.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Lives due to functional mushrooms, we got to educate people.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
So education is really really the number one thing, and
what's happening, you know, with.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
The newly elected president and the people who's putting in
place to whatever the make America healthy again.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I'm all for that, so long as there's no getting in.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Bed with these big organizations that are going to claim
to do that but still continue to put stuff in
our food that's that's really a detriment to our health
and wellness.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Agree on that last part wholeheartedly. Now, I have a question.
I have some specific questions.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
We have our text line and people can text us
at five sixty six, and I oh, if they have
a question for Jake Plumber about functional mushrooms. I want
to kind of get drilled down a little bit on
how you or the or your partners begin to understand
which mushrooms do what or what. Because you have various
formulations on the website for various different things performance related mushrooms,
(06:34):
sleep related mushroom products. So how do you drill down
on that? Where does that knowledge come from?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Well, I mean this is knowledge has been accumulated through
time eternal from you know tribes, Roman the planet and
Roman the continent, and you know the whether it was
the men that were the hunter gatherers or and the
women that were.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
The foragers, and everybody was learning what there was out.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
There that we could eat that wouldn't kill us, and
then maybe that what we can could chew up and
spit into a cut that would stop the bleeding.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
And it's like it's a plant that grows in nature.
You know, there's so much that is on this great planet.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And you know, believing in God, believing in creation of
the Earth, believing in whatever you believe in everything on
this planet, there's there's a there's a cure for everything
that we create, and there's a balance and and nature
is the most beautiful representation of that. So as we've
dove into this, we've learned through a lot of the
(07:31):
research and for centuries how these these wonderful organisms have
been used in China and Japan and Eastern medicine to
treat a whole plethora of maladies and disease.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Uh, it's been done.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
This is not new, not we're not stumbling upon lions
Maane and going whoa. You know, this guy took it
for the very first time ever five years ago, and
now look what it's doing.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
This stuff's been around and been.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Known for a long time, just not in our lives
here in the United States with Western medicine.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
And as we see.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
We see Western medicine failing hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
of thousands of people every day, people are starting to
want to find a natural alternative.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
So we're just relearning this.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
It's not new knowledge, it's just being able to be
a conduit for a positive change and learn that.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
You know, Lion's made is grateful for neuronal growth and repair.
It's good for the brain, it's good to clear brain fog.
It's good for cognition and focus.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It's great for an as a activity induced anti inflammatory.
It's like these things, we're finding out what's in them.
Now that's the fun part. We're breaking down the compounds
to find out what it is, how it's doing what
it's supposedly doing, and going away from believing in them
(08:55):
as magic and actually having science behind it to say,
you know, it's these the ergothienines, therasines, these compounds that
we're finding in these mushrooms that really have not been
researched or broken apart. And that's that's where you know,
the fun part of this goes is what's next out
there that we haven't found that could be something.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
For paint creatic cancer like bird's nest mushroom.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
There's studies out there that have had some success with
pancreatic cancer, which that's a death sentence if you get that,
and you know, if.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
We could find something that would give somebody faith.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I mean, that's really what drives me and what drives
the people I'm working with with UMBO to just continue
to educate people that there is something out there.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Do you have a recommendation for people for migraines, especially
vestibular migraines or vertigo.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, you know, I'm not a doctor, so it's hard
to say, you know, hey, do this for your for
your migraines or your vertigo. But there there has been,
there's studies online, There's there's a lot of resources out there.
Unlimited Science is right there in Denver, a nonprofit that's
researching not only psychedelic research, but also functional mushrooms and
(10:07):
more nature and natural products online Johns Hopkins University. You know,
there's a lot of these major organizations doing studies.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
You know, I don't know enough about you know, migraines.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I know it's that they're they playing a lot of people.
There's a lot of people suffering mightily from you know,
cluster headaches or they call them, you know, I guess
the suicide headaches.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I mean, they're so bad you wish it would all end.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
And so I know that there's something imbalanced in bodies
that have these. And what the great thing about mushrooms
is is they're adaptogenic and meaning adaptagen meaning they help
anything that's either overstimulated or understimulated, or over over producing
(10:54):
or underproducing. It brings them back to home io stasis
and gets them back to being in balance. And so
will they help if I had migraines, I would probably
try them first before going to a doctor and getting
some high powered opioid that could lead me down the
road that I don't want to go with addiction and
who knows what else. So yeah, you know it's worth
(11:16):
looking into the curious minds and the people that are
looking for a different way. I know cordyceps helps with
blood flow and oxygenating the blood, and you know, some
some there's maybe something there with moving the blood through
when you have those migraines. I know that CBD and
Charlotte's Web is a product I first dove into in
this arena of advocating for nature.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I know that I have a few people close in
my circle that use.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
That whenever they feel that migraine coming on, they take
a dose of the original formula, Charlotte's Web, and within
an hour or so they're back downstairs and they're doing
all right.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
And you know, it's it's it's worth looking into.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
And like I said, I'm not a doctor. I can't
diagnose anything or say yes, this will help. But if
people will have reached into their rope or they're into
the line, they're like, man, the nothing going on, give
them a try. I know that that it won't hurt
your body to put them in there. It might not
carry you from your migraines, but it might help. And
isn't that worth trying this?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
A texture said, Western medicine has not failed, but I
want to address that because I had a doctor of
a Western medicine practice tell me the difference between Western
medicine and Eastern medicine is that an Eastern medicine doctor
expects to have a waiting room full of patients.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Because he's got a bunch of sick people.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
A Western doctor believes if he has a waiting room
full of patients, he has failed his patients because they
are sick.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
And that's kind of the difference.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And I think that's kind of what you're getting at,
is that instead of putting a band aid on the
underlying issues that so many Americans are facing, get to
the bottom of the issues and start to try and
heal naturally instead of just medicating your way through it.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I mean that's my takeing.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah, I've heard of stories in the medicine where at
the end of the year, the doctor gets paid because
you were healthy all year. You know, it's not pay
me because I'm sick, and then I'm sicker. And no,
Western medicine hasn't failed completely. There's some great advancements. If
I walked out, slipped on the ice and compound fractured
my arm, I'd be very grateful for Western medicine. But
(13:20):
if I'm having an upset stomach, or I'm having a rash,
or I'm having something of an imbalance, i am not
going anywhere near Western medicine. I'm going to go to
the herb, the herb wal herbalist, the holistic medicine practitioner.
The seven year old lady that's been having her own
garden for forty years and knows these things in and
out because nature has the cure, and that's what I
(13:42):
believe in. So yes, there is a use for western medicine.
But when you're talking about the amount of knowledge these
doctors are required when it comes to nutrition and the
amount of time they spend in there getting their doctorate
or getting their PhDd to be I'm a doctor, the
amount of time spent learning about nutrition and diet and
(14:04):
hydration and all that is minimal.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
It's embarrassing when you know the number.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
And that's where you just said food, diet, water. That's
my first thing to people when they asked me, I'm
not feeling that I'm not doing well, by drink clean water,
eat better food, and get rest and exercise daily and
then come back to me in a month if you've
done that, and let's see where you're at.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
And most times they're way better. Yes. And I'm not
even a doctor. I didn't have to go to school
to learn that.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I was to see a video yesterday I have two
doctors talking and one doctor said there was a recent
long term study of women to show that women who
began to exercise regularly in midlife reduce their chances of
getting Alzheimer's disease by ninety percent. And the women that
did go on to get Alzheimer's disease it deleted essentially
ten years. And the point the doctor made was if
(14:55):
we had a drug that offered that, everyone would want it,
but they don't want to go exercise on a regular
basis to get the same the same effect. I've got
a lot of questions about the actual mushrooms on the
text line that I want to get to here before
we run out of time.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
What of it is like, you can buy the.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Actual mushrooms from Umbo, but do you eat them raw?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Do you eat them cooks? What do you do?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
What's the best way to up your mushroom intake if
you're a person like me who already loves mushrooms.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, I mean there's obviously cooking them and eating them
is a great way to do that. I think we
don't eat enough of them.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
You never want to eat a raw mushroom. Never ever
eat raw mushrooms.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
They have kitense kitens in them and we don't have
They have kiten in them and we don't have kitense
in our stomachs and our gut to break that down.
So those of you that don't like mushrooms because they've
made you sick, it's because you ate probably eight raw
ones at a salad bar.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Don't do that. Wow, we have to cook our mushrooms.
We have to get them to be bioavailable.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
And that's what I'm doing with my farm Michael Love
out in Fort Lupton and then taking the.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Raw material and extracting it at our lab and Longmont.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I came across some beautiful humans, some wizards, some amazing
like freethinking, brilliant humans.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
One of them Shane Schulman, that's doing the.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Extraction methods on these mushrooms to pull out as many
of the compounds without damaging them as he can and
getting them back into a bioavailable tincture or powder so
that we can take them.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
So, yes, and not all products are created equal.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
A lot of them are done in different ways that
maybe can with the volatility of the methods, actually diminish
the amount of compound rich material that comes out.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Or it's not the right extraction.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It's just a mushroom soaked an alcohol, and it's called
an alcohol tincture. Alcohol mushroom tincture, and so there's different
ways to raise the potency and.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
That's really that's the beauty of being.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Involved with a company like Charlotte's Web who set the
bar so high, and now with Michael Love and than
taking that and putting it in the humbo bottles and
selling it, they're doing the same thing we're doing it
at Michael Love to raise those standards so that these
mushrooms are are what we are claiming them to be,
something that can help your health and wellness.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Journey.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Jake Plummer is my guest. Jake. One more question.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Somebody just asked what substrate do you grow the mushrooms in?
What do you actually because I'll be perfectly Frank, I
had a very good friend in college who had a
mushroom growing business, but it was not your mushrooms. So
I've seen how those mushrooms are grown. But what are
you growing these mushrooms in?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yeah, I mean at the farm, we have oak and
soy organic soy holes mixed together in a master mix
and you put a little water in that, sterilize it.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
And oculate it and let mother nature do the rest.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
So it's pretty easy. But there's all sorts of different
you know mixtures. For corterceps, it's a different mixture. We
use a completely different substrate. Uh, you know nature, These
things survive. They survive and out with everything going on
in a forest, all of the bacteria and organisms and
predators and all that, they thrive. And when you put
(18:12):
them into it into like our farm, in a controlled
clean environment, they sometimes don't.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
It's kind of weird, like once our hands get on them, they.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Become less able to survive, like a sneeze into a
bag and now you've ruined your entire batch of mushrooms
of a bacteria or a mold.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
So it's really fascinating.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I've been just blessed to meet the people I've come across,
and no good people that brought this to me, and
to be able to stand up here, be on the
radio and have listeners like yours, you know, have questions.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
It's really it's really my purpose here on this planet
for the time being to.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Help spread this word and will it be the answer
and the end all and you'll feel one hundred percent better.
I can't tell you that, but I know that as
a culture, we stopped using these beautiful organisms back around
you know the time when a lot of these other
plants and medicines were put on the schedule one list
of drugs and people started getting persecuted for them. So
(19:09):
do the research, look at our history and understand that
we're moving in a better direction now to really actually
address individual health and wellness. Also, you know, we could
go on forever maybe. I mean, it's AI and the
ability to break down individuals and what we need. You know, health,
Health's going to change, and it's changed going to change rapidly,
and that's a good thing because when we're healthier, we
all can treat each other better and we can all
(19:32):
thrive and achieve more together when we're healthy.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
That's Jake Plumber. Get Umbo dot com is the website.
I put that on the blog today and if you
use the promo code Mandy fifteen, you can get fifteen
percent off of those products.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Shake.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
This is a fascinating conversation. I would love to be
able to come see your operation. Would that be something
we could make happen at Yeah, you always love have
you come.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Out and if I need to come back on the
show again, I would be glad to do that. You know,
listeners out there there they're curious and didn't get answers.
If you sign up for our newsletter at gettumbo dot com,
we'll send you a free ebook that has the functional
Mushroom Playbook is what we called it, and it's Scott
a breakdown of all the mushrooms we use, what they
have been known to be used for, and comparing them
(20:15):
to other athletes so you can kind of understand, like, oh,
Chaga's kind of like Lebron James does everything right.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
You know, So it's it's good. Check it out and
uh yeah, let's set up a date.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I'd love to be hosting Contact Farm and show you
what we got going out there.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
That's Jake Plumber. We'll be back right after this
Yes, he is well known to Denver Bronco fans for
his antics on the field. But now well he's in
a completely different field and Jake Plummer is joining us.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Jake, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
First of all, yeah, h Mannie, thanks for having me
on the show. It's great, honored and pleasure to be
here today.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So I said this earlier on the show.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
But normally, when you think about retired NFL guys, especially
guys who had a.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Long career like you did, they go into like they own.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
They buy a car dealership, or they go into financial services,
or they become a realtor. And yet Jake Plumber is
in the world of functional mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So let's start with how you be. First of all,
let's start with what are functional mushrooms?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, you know, you left out a couple A lot
of guys even go coach or go into the booth,
they start talking about the game.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
So I did a little of that.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Of course, as you get out of the game, you
try to figure out who you are, what you are,
and what tickles you, what makes your field. You know,
want to get up every day and beat passionate about
through the travels and those you know, ups and downs
the post career. I've stumbled across some opportunities to work
with nature and medicine and nature and plants as healing.
(01:14):
And you know, we talk about our diets a lot.
And you know, I heard Ziggi Marty say once in
a video, I sauce, I don't want to diet. Who
wants to die?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Man? I want to live it my living. This is
how I eat.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
And so you got you know, I've been just giving
it a lot of thought, as I was always taught
to be cognitive what I eat and what I put
in my body through my mom and her health journey
and being a very holistic person herself, feeding me Tofu,
talk Tofu waffles in the mornings and you know, garlic
and honey.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
For a cold.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Stumbled across, you know, the opportunity with functional mushrooms through
my best friend Dell Jolly and business.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Partner at Umbo, and started taking them.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And like anything, I don't get behind anything or try
to tell some one they should try this unless it
works for me. And I felt a lot of relief
from functional mushrooms and so functional mushrooms being non psychoactive,
fully legal, gourmet level like basically a food group that
(02:16):
we don't really eat much in the Western culture due
to microphobia and the fear of you know, there are
mushrooms that grow in your yard that if you eat them,
they could kill you. And there's mushrooms that grow in
the woods and in most notably like cowfeces, that are
psychedelic that can trip you out and take you into
(02:36):
you know, a whole other dimension. But there's also you know,
functional mushrooms that are some of them are gourmet that
you can eat on your plate for dinner, cook them up.
They're an amazing you know, supplement or an addition to
your plate or if you want to cut out meat a
little bit that still get all of the amino acids
and proteins and minerals and all that.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
And there's something that.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
You know, we were learning more about every day, and
I'm sometimes I shake my head too and go, how
the heck did I get from on the field at
mile high to you know, out in a farm out
Fort Lopton still at a mile high grow on functional mushrooms.
And it's just a fun journey. I never ever say never,
(03:20):
and things come my way. And so it's been an
educational process to let people know that there's an organism
that's been here for a long long time that's very
beneficial for our health and wellness.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
You know, this is a very Western medicine thing when
you start talking about food as medicine. But Jake, do
you feel like right now in our country it feels
like there is a movement building to recognize that what
we put in our mouth is the most important part of.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
How we take care of ourselves.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Right Like, there's people that are finally saying the standard
American diet is terrible and that we need to be
looking at food to heal some of the things that we've.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Been using drugs for.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I mean, is that the kind of stuff that you
guys are doing right now at Umbo.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, I mean that's that's part of the whole general
plan or you know, idea behind it is what is
there in nature that can provide us with Maybe it
doesn't completely wipe out whatever you're dealing with, but it
gives you that little edge or it's a positive intervention
towards what your goals are. And I think as a society,
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we we need to mind not only we talk consumption
is what we eat, but overall just consumption of everything.
Like tuning into your show, you're gonna hear good stuff.
You're gonna hear pertinent information. You're gonna learn about good
things going on. You're not gonna have to process through,
you know, a bunch of riff wrath and.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Meth and negativity and stuff that.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Can affect you as we consume through our eyes, our ears,
our nose, our body, our mouths. So you know, consumption
in general is where you should art if you are
not healthy. And one of those things, most definitely is
what you put in your body as an addition to,
you know, what you do already.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
We have run a few you know, we're running some studies,
and there's.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
A lot of other large organizations bigger than us that
are doing studies all the time to figure out you know,
you hear a story about a little girl that takes
functional mushrooms named Lily. Lily's Lighthouse is an organization studying
functional mushrooms for children with epileptic seizures.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
So when one of these kids has success or has
like a profound change in their in their.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Lives due to functional mushrooms, we got to educate people.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
So education is really really the number one thing, and
what's happening, you know, with.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
The newly elected president and the people who's putting in
place to whatever the make America healthy again.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I'm all for that, so long as there's no getting in.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Bed with these big organizations that are going to claim
to do that but still continue to put stuff in
our food that's that's really a detriment to our health
and wellness.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Agree on that last part wholeheartedly. Now, I have a question.
I have some specific questions.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
We have our text line and people can text us
at five sixty six, and I oh, if they have
a question for Jake Plumber about functional mushrooms. I want
to kind of get drilled down a little bit on
how you or the or your partners begin to understand
which mushrooms do what or what. Because you have various
formulations on the website for various different things performance related mushrooms,
(06:34):
sleep related mushroom products. So how do you drill down
on that? Where does that knowledge come from?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Well, I mean this is knowledge has been accumulated through
time eternal from you know tribes, Roman the planet and
Roman the continent, and you know the whether it was
the men that were the hunter gatherers or and the
women that were.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
The foragers, and everybody was learning what there was out.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
There that we could eat that wouldn't kill us, and
then maybe that what we can could chew up and
spit into a cut that would stop the bleeding.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
And it's like it's a plant that grows in nature.
You know, there's so much that is on this great planet.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And you know, believing in God, believing in creation of
the Earth, believing in whatever you believe in everything on
this planet, there's there's a there's a cure for everything
that we create, and there's a balance and and nature
is the most beautiful representation of that. So as we've
dove into this, we've learned through a lot of the
(07:31):
research and for centuries how these these wonderful organisms have
been used in China and Japan and Eastern medicine to
treat a whole plethora of maladies and disease.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Uh, it's been done.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
This is not new, not we're not stumbling upon lions
Maane and going whoa. You know, this guy took it
for the very first time ever five years ago, and
now look what it's doing.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
This stuff's been around and been.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Known for a long time, just not in our lives
here in the United States with Western medicine.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
And as we see.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
We see Western medicine failing hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
of thousands of people every day, people are starting to
want to find a natural alternative.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
So we're just relearning this.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
It's not new knowledge, it's just being able to be
a conduit for a positive change and learn that.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
You know, Lion's made is grateful for neuronal growth and repair.
It's good for the brain, it's good to clear brain fog.
It's good for cognition and focus.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It's great for an as a activity induced anti inflammatory.
It's like these things, we're finding out what's in them.
Now that's the fun part. We're breaking down the compounds
to find out what it is, how it's doing what
it's supposedly doing, and going away from believing in them
(08:55):
as magic and actually having science behind it to say,
you know, it's these the ergothienines, therasines, these compounds that
we're finding in these mushrooms that really have not been
researched or broken apart. And that's that's where you know,
the fun part of this goes is what's next out
there that we haven't found that could be something.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
For paint creatic cancer like bird's nest mushroom.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
There's studies out there that have had some success with
pancreatic cancer, which that's a death sentence if you get that,
and you know, if.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
We could find something that would give somebody faith.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I mean, that's really what drives me and what drives
the people I'm working with with UMBO to just continue
to educate people that there is something out there.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Do you have a recommendation for people for migraines, especially
vestibular migraines or vertigo.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, you know, I'm not a doctor, so it's hard
to say, you know, hey, do this for your for
your migraines or your vertigo. But there there has been,
there's studies online, There's there's a lot of resources out there.
Unlimited Science is right there in Denver, a nonprofit that's
researching not only psychedelic research, but also functional mushrooms and
(10:07):
more nature and natural products online Johns Hopkins University. You know,
there's a lot of these major organizations doing studies.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
You know, I don't know enough about you know, migraines.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I know it's that they're they playing a lot of people.
There's a lot of people suffering mightily from you know,
cluster headaches or they call them, you know, I guess
the suicide headaches.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I mean, they're so bad you wish it would all end.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
And so I know that there's something imbalanced in bodies
that have these. And what the great thing about mushrooms
is is they're adaptogenic and meaning adaptagen meaning they help
anything that's either overstimulated or understimulated, or over over producing
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or underproducing. It brings them back to home io stasis
and gets them back to being in balance. And so
will they help if I had migraines, I would probably
try them first before going to a doctor and getting
some high powered opioid that could lead me down the
road that I don't want to go with addiction and
who knows what else. So yeah, you know it's worth
(11:16):
looking into the curious minds and the people that are
looking for a different way. I know cordyceps helps with
blood flow and oxygenating the blood, and you know, some
some there's maybe something there with moving the blood through
when you have those migraines. I know that CBD and
Charlotte's Web is a product I first dove into in
this arena of advocating for nature.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I know that I have a few people close in
my circle that use.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
That whenever they feel that migraine coming on, they take
a dose of the original formula, Charlotte's Web, and within
an hour or so they're back downstairs and they're doing
all right.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
And you know, it's it's it's worth looking into.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
And like I said, I'm not a doctor. I can't
diagnose anything or say yes, this will help. But if
people will have reached into their rope or they're into
the line, they're like, man, the nothing going on, give
them a try. I know that that it won't hurt
your body to put them in there. It might not
carry you from your migraines, but it might help. And
isn't that worth trying this?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
A texture said, Western medicine has not failed, but I
want to address that because I had a doctor of
a Western medicine practice tell me the difference between Western
medicine and Eastern medicine is that an Eastern medicine doctor
expects to have a waiting room full of patients.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Because he's got a bunch of sick people.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
A Western doctor believes if he has a waiting room
full of patients, he has failed his patients because they
are sick.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
And that's kind of the difference.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And I think that's kind of what you're getting at,
is that instead of putting a band aid on the
underlying issues that so many Americans are facing, get to
the bottom of the issues and start to try and
heal naturally instead of just medicating your way through it.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I mean that's my takeing.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah, I've heard of stories in the medicine where at
the end of the year, the doctor gets paid because
you were healthy all year. You know, it's not pay
me because I'm sick, and then I'm sicker. And no,
Western medicine hasn't failed completely. There's some great advancements. If
I walked out, slipped on the ice and compound fractured
my arm, I'd be very grateful for Western medicine. But
(13:20):
if I'm having an upset stomach, or I'm having a rash,
or I'm having something of an imbalance, i am not
going anywhere near Western medicine. I'm going to go to
the herb, the herb wal herbalist, the holistic medicine practitioner.
The seven year old lady that's been having her own
garden for forty years and knows these things in and
out because nature has the cure, and that's what I
(13:42):
believe in. So yes, there is a use for western medicine.
But when you're talking about the amount of knowledge these
doctors are required when it comes to nutrition and the
amount of time they spend in there getting their doctorate
or getting their PhDd to be I'm a doctor, the
amount of time spent learning about nutrition and diet and
(14:04):
hydration and all that is minimal.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
It's embarrassing when you know the number.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
And that's where you just said food, diet, water. That's
my first thing to people when they asked me, I'm
not feeling that I'm not doing well, by drink clean water,
eat better food, and get rest and exercise daily and
then come back to me in a month if you've
done that, and let's see where you're at.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
And most times they're way better. Yes. And I'm not
even a doctor. I didn't have to go to school
to learn that.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I was to see a video yesterday I have two
doctors talking and one doctor said there was a recent
long term study of women to show that women who
began to exercise regularly in midlife reduce their chances of
getting Alzheimer's disease by ninety percent. And the women that
did go on to get Alzheimer's disease it deleted essentially
ten years. And the point the doctor made was if
(14:55):
we had a drug that offered that, everyone would want it,
but they don't want to go exercise on a regular
basis to get the same the same effect. I've got
a lot of questions about the actual mushrooms on the
text line that I want to get to here before
we run out of time.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
What of it is like, you can buy the.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Actual mushrooms from Umbo, but do you eat them raw?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Do you eat them cooks? What do you do?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
What's the best way to up your mushroom intake if
you're a person like me who already loves mushrooms.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, I mean there's obviously cooking them and eating them
is a great way to do that. I think we
don't eat enough of them.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
You never want to eat a raw mushroom. Never ever
eat raw mushrooms.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
They have kitense kitens in them and we don't have
They have kiten in them and we don't have kitense
in our stomachs and our gut to break that down.
So those of you that don't like mushrooms because they've
made you sick, it's because you ate probably eight raw
ones at a salad bar.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Don't do that. Wow, we have to cook our mushrooms.
We have to get them to be bioavailable.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
And that's what I'm doing with my farm Michael Love
out in Fort Lupton and then taking the.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Raw material and extracting it at our lab and Longmont.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I came across some beautiful humans, some wizards, some amazing
like freethinking, brilliant humans.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
One of them Shane Schulman, that's doing the.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Extraction methods on these mushrooms to pull out as many
of the compounds without damaging them as he can and
getting them back into a bioavailable tincture or powder so
that we can take them.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
So, yes, and not all products are created equal.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
A lot of them are done in different ways that
maybe can with the volatility of the methods, actually diminish
the amount of compound rich material that comes out.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Or it's not the right extraction.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It's just a mushroom soaked an alcohol, and it's called
an alcohol tincture. Alcohol mushroom tincture, and so there's different
ways to raise the potency and.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
That's really that's the beauty of being.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Involved with a company like Charlotte's Web who set the
bar so high, and now with Michael Love and than
taking that and putting it in the humbo bottles and
selling it, they're doing the same thing we're doing it
at Michael Love to raise those standards so that these
mushrooms are are what we are claiming them to be,
something that can help your health and wellness.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Journey.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Jake Plummer is my guest. Jake. One more question.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Somebody just asked what substrate do you grow the mushrooms in?
What do you actually because I'll be perfectly Frank, I
had a very good friend in college who had a
mushroom growing business, but it was not your mushrooms. So
I've seen how those mushrooms are grown. But what are
you growing these mushrooms in?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yeah, I mean at the farm, we have oak and
soy organic soy holes mixed together in a master mix
and you put a little water in that, sterilize it.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
And oculate it and let mother nature do the rest.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
So it's pretty easy. But there's all sorts of different
you know mixtures. For corterceps, it's a different mixture. We
use a completely different substrate. Uh, you know nature, These
things survive. They survive and out with everything going on
in a forest, all of the bacteria and organisms and
predators and all that, they thrive. And when you put
(18:12):
them into it into like our farm, in a controlled
clean environment, they sometimes don't.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
It's kind of weird, like once our hands get on them, they.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Become less able to survive, like a sneeze into a
bag and now you've ruined your entire batch of mushrooms
of a bacteria or a mold.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
So it's really fascinating.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I've been just blessed to meet the people I've come across,
and no good people that brought this to me, and
to be able to stand up here, be on the
radio and have listeners like yours, you know, have questions.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
It's really it's really my purpose here on this planet
for the time being to.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Help spread this word and will it be the answer
and the end all and you'll feel one hundred percent better.
I can't tell you that, but I know that as
a culture, we stopped using these beautiful organisms back around
you know the time when a lot of these other
plants and medicines were put on the schedule one list
of drugs and people started getting persecuted for them. So
(19:09):
do the research, look at our history and understand that
we're moving in a better direction now to really actually
address individual health and wellness. Also, you know, we could
go on forever maybe. I mean, it's AI and the
ability to break down individuals and what we need. You know, health,
Health's going to change, and it's changed going to change rapidly,
and that's a good thing because when we're healthier, we
all can treat each other better and we can all
(19:32):
thrive and achieve more together when we're healthy.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
That's Jake Plumber. Get Umbo dot com is the website.
I put that on the blog today and if you
use the promo code Mandy fifteen, you can get fifteen
percent off of those products.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Shake.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
This is a fascinating conversation. I would love to be
able to come see your operation. Would that be something
we could make happen at Yeah, you always love have
you come.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Out and if I need to come back on the
show again, I would be glad to do that. You know,
listeners out there there they're curious and didn't get answers.
If you sign up for our newsletter at gettumbo dot com,
we'll send you a free ebook that has the functional
Mushroom Playbook is what we called it, and it's Scott
a breakdown of all the mushrooms we use, what they
have been known to be used for, and comparing them
(20:15):
to other athletes so you can kind of understand, like, oh,
Chaga's kind of like Lebron James does everything right.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
You know, So it's it's good. Check it out and
uh yeah, let's set up a date.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I'd love to be hosting Contact Farm and show you
what we got going out there.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
That's Jake Plumber. We'll be back right after this
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