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Speaker 1 (00:00):
One of the finest actors of the twentieth century has
passed away. Gene Hackman at the age of ninety five.
Joining us now Alex Stone from ABC News to talk
about the latest because some of these details kind of weird, Alex,
what do you have now?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah, Hey, Mandy, they are weird, and it's not clear
yet how they died. And it's being called suspicious because
the front door was open, it was propped open, and
two people and a dog were dead inside. But the
sheriff is saying that that there are no signs of oulplay,
no signs of trauma, no signs of how they died.
That it wasn't apparent in the building or on their bodies.
(00:39):
They were not shot, they were not stabbed, they were
not strangled. They were just dead. And how they died
they don't know. And they're not ruling out a crime
that until they can figure it out. That there definitely
wasn't one. But the sheriff did give some details a
little while ago. This is what he said. We're not
ruling it out. What I did state was was there
was no obvious sign or indication of, you know, all
(01:04):
foul play. There was no immediate sign of foul play.
I haven't ruled that out yet. This is an investigation,
so we're keeping everything on the table. Co Mandie. One
thing that you know, when multiple people are dead inside
of a home and an animal as well, typically that's
going to be gas of some kind.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Like, yeah, that's that's what I thought that I even
put that on my blog. I said, this really looks
like a gas situation, a gas leak, carbon monoxide or something.
But they didn't find any sign that there was any
kind of gas leak. I guess.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, So that's the thing that the gas company in
the fire department, they came out, no signs of a
gas leak, no gas in the home. But it appears
that they were dead for a very long time. Betsy
Arakaway his wife. She was not to get to graphic,
but she was mammified and they were badly decomposed. So
if there was a leak over you know, weeks ago,
(01:52):
and the front door was open, it probably would have
vented out. But they haven't found any anything that was
leaking gas, so they can't say, well, the gas is gone.
But it was this. She was found next to a
space heater that had fallen with her. That may have
been the culprit. Something else could have been. They don't know.
And so she was in a bathroom. There were pills
(02:14):
that were around, but we don't know what those pills were.
They could have been she could have had a headache
from carbon monoxide and gotten to take a pill. He
was in a mudroom and investigators say it looked like
he fell very suddenly, that his sunglasses were next to him.
It looked like when he went down, those got tossed
a little ways away from his body, and that it's
really going to come down to an autopsy to know
(02:35):
why they died, and assuming that they do toxicology, that
can take weeks, that can take months running the blood test,
so it could be a while. But they are trying
to make sure it wasn't a crime, but that they
really don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I mean, Gene Hackman was ninety five, so he was
an elderly man, so you know it would stand a
reason that, I mean, he could have died after a fall.
It's so strange, and I have a feeling, Alex that
were never really going to find out what happened, right like,
because there's everybody that was there is dead. So it's
this is just a sad way to end such an
(03:11):
amazing life and end career that Gene Hackman has had.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Just just very odd, you know, yeah, it really is.
And there were two other dogs that had free reign
to come and go and that they were able to
go from the open door to outside, and that may
be why they survived. The other dog was locked in
a in a crate in a kennel, so that dog
wasn't able to get away from whatever killed them. So
(03:35):
all of this is pointing toward maybe carbon monoxide, but
they don't know. But the dogs that were able to
get outside, they were okay. There were other buildings on
the property totally locked up, those signs of forest and
for a nothing was rummaged through. Neighbors say that they
hadn't seen them in a very long time, being elderly.
He was elderly. She was in her sixties, but he
(03:58):
being ninety five years old, they ever really saw them.
They never really came out, so they don't know how
long they've been dead or what they went through. And
the sheriff said, well, the autops people figure that out,
but he doesn't even know looking at them how long
they had probably been dead, and nobody knew it, but
it was this exterminator that was doing work and the
door was open, and thought, this isn't right. It looked
(04:20):
like they weren't home. Called a security worker slash caretaker,
not for them, but for the neighborhood community, and then
they called nine one. Wow.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Someone on our text line said, Gene Hackman's birthday was
January thirtieth. I wonder if he made it to his
ninety fifth birthday. I guess we're going to find this out.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Maybe not, I mean, based on how they were found,
he may not have.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, that's just absolutely. Somebody said, I suspect Jane had
dementia and his wife died suddenly. He didn't have the
mental capacity to know what to do.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
So do they because you.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Said the wife was mummified, not to get like two
in the gory part, But the wife was mummified. Is
there a possibility that she had been did well before
he is?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Maybe, although he was pretty well decomposed according to the
documents that we've got as well, so it had been
a while for him too. But maybe she had died
first and the dog starved to death in it was
locked up in the kennel and and then he couldn't
take care of himself, and then he either had a
(05:22):
medical emergency or slipped and fell. They're gonna have to
look at all of that. They don't know the most
likely scenario. I mean, my history of covering these things,
typically it's it's just the most straightforward answer. You know,
we always come up with all these It could have
been this, it could have been that. Yeah, and normally
it's like, oh, yeah, you know, it's the one that
you go, well, that makes the most sense. But they
don't know, and they got to figure out if there
(05:42):
was a crime, because what if what if we go, well,
it was carbon monoxide or you know, some other non
criminal thing, and then they find out somebody did kill
them and got in there, so they got to rule
that out. Well, does he have any kids?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Do they have children?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
It's a great question. Yeah, we don't tell you.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Like I mean, I talk to my mom and if
I can't get a hold of my mom, I call
my brother who lives near her, and I'm like, I
need a life check for my mom. Like I how
do you not call your dad?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You know? Nobody question I do the same thing just
to hear them pick up and know that they're doing
all right. Yeah. Yeah, we don't know that. The sheriff
is saying that, uh that nobody was trying to contact
them that they know of. So if they do have
grown children, that there there was not an attempt to
make sure that the mom and dad were doing all
right and to check in on them. It seems like
(06:30):
nobody un tell this exterminator. Yeah, I was able to say, hey,
something is well, listen to this. This is the nine
on one call femail. Probably I don't know, I don't know.
I just send somebody up here real quick. That was
the the exterminator had let that security guy know, and
then then he called it in and and then they
came racing up and then they found him dead in
the house.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Well, I'm sure there's gonna be a podcast about it soon.
Alex So Alex, Alex Jones, Alex Jones, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Well that's okay, everybody, I'll talk to you like this. Yeah, yeah,
oh thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah, yell at me with some conspiracy theories and thanks
for your time.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Stone covering the Gene Hackman death, which is a terrible
One of the finest actors of the twentieth century has
passed away. Gene Hackman at the age of ninety five.
Joining us now Alex Stone from ABC News to talk
about the latest because some of these details kind of weird, Alex,
what do you have now?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah, Hey, Mandy, they are weird, and it's not clear
yet how they died. And it's being called suspicious because
the front door was open, it was propped open, and
two people and a dog were dead inside. But the
sheriff is saying that that there are no signs of oulplay,
no signs of trauma, no signs of how they died.
That it wasn't apparent in the building or on their bodies.
(00:39):
They were not shot, they were not stabbed, they were
not strangled. They were just dead. And how they died
they don't know. And they're not ruling out a crime
that until they can figure it out. That there definitely
wasn't one. But the sheriff did give some details a
little while ago. This is what he said. We're not
ruling it out. What I did state was was there
was no obvious sign or indication of, you know, all
(01:04):
foul play. There was no immediate sign of foul play.
I haven't ruled that out yet. This is an investigation,
so we're keeping everything on the table. Co Mandie. One
thing that you know, when multiple people are dead inside
of a home and an animal as well, typically that's
going to be gas of some kind.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Like, yeah, that's that's what I thought that I even
put that on my blog. I said, this really looks
like a gas situation, a gas leak, carbon monoxide or something.
But they didn't find any sign that there was any
kind of gas leak. I guess.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, So that's the thing that the gas company in
the fire department, they came out, no signs of a
gas leak, no gas in the home. But it appears
that they were dead for a very long time. Betsy
Arakaway his wife. She was not to get to graphic,
but she was mammified and they were badly decomposed. So
if there was a leak over you know, weeks ago,
(01:52):
and the front door was open, it probably would have
vented out. But they haven't found any anything that was
leaking gas, so they can't say, well, the gas is gone.
But it was this. She was found next to a
space heater that had fallen with her. That may have
been the culprit. Something else could have been. They don't know.
And so she was in a bathroom. There were pills
(02:14):
that were around, but we don't know what those pills were.
They could have been she could have had a headache
from carbon monoxide and gotten to take a pill. He
was in a mudroom and investigators say it looked like
he fell very suddenly, that his sunglasses were next to him.
It looked like when he went down, those got tossed
a little ways away from his body, and that it's
really going to come down to an autopsy to know
(02:35):
why they died, and assuming that they do toxicology, that
can take weeks, that can take months running the blood test,
so it could be a while. But they are trying
to make sure it wasn't a crime, but that they
really don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I mean, Gene Hackman was ninety five, so he was
an elderly man, so you know it would stand a
reason that, I mean, he could have died after a fall.
It's so strange, and I have a feeling, Alex that
were never really going to find out what happened, right like,
because there's everybody that was there is dead. So it's
this is just a sad way to end such an
(03:11):
amazing life and end career that Gene Hackman has had.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Just just very odd, you know, yeah, it really is.
And there were two other dogs that had free reign
to come and go and that they were able to
go from the open door to outside, and that may
be why they survived. The other dog was locked in
a in a crate in a kennel, so that dog
wasn't able to get away from whatever killed them. So
(03:35):
all of this is pointing toward maybe carbon monoxide, but
they don't know. But the dogs that were able to
get outside, they were okay. There were other buildings on
the property totally locked up, those signs of forest and
for a nothing was rummaged through. Neighbors say that they
hadn't seen them in a very long time, being elderly.
He was elderly. She was in her sixties, but he
(03:58):
being ninety five years old, they ever really saw them.
They never really came out, so they don't know how
long they've been dead or what they went through. And
the sheriff said, well, the autops people figure that out,
but he doesn't even know looking at them how long
they had probably been dead, and nobody knew it, but
it was this exterminator that was doing work and the
door was open, and thought, this isn't right. It looked
(04:20):
like they weren't home. Called a security worker slash caretaker,
not for them, but for the neighborhood community, and then
they called nine one. Wow.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Someone on our text line said, Gene Hackman's birthday was
January thirtieth. I wonder if he made it to his
ninety fifth birthday. I guess we're going to find this out.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Maybe not, I mean, based on how they were found,
he may not have.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, that's just absolutely. Somebody said, I suspect Jane had
dementia and his wife died suddenly. He didn't have the
mental capacity to know what to do.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
So do they because you.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Said the wife was mummified, not to get like two
in the gory part, But the wife was mummified. Is
there a possibility that she had been did well before
he is?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Maybe, although he was pretty well decomposed according to the
documents that we've got as well, so it had been
a while for him too. But maybe she had died
first and the dog starved to death in it was
locked up in the kennel and and then he couldn't
take care of himself, and then he either had a
(05:22):
medical emergency or slipped and fell. They're gonna have to
look at all of that. They don't know the most
likely scenario. I mean, my history of covering these things,
typically it's it's just the most straightforward answer. You know,
we always come up with all these It could have
been this, it could have been that. Yeah, and normally
it's like, oh, yeah, you know, it's the one that
you go, well, that makes the most sense. But they
don't know, and they got to figure out if there
(05:42):
was a crime, because what if what if we go, well,
it was carbon monoxide or you know, some other non
criminal thing, and then they find out somebody did kill
them and got in there, so they got to rule
that out. Well, does he have any kids?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Do they have children?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
It's a great question. Yeah, we don't tell you.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Like I mean, I talk to my mom and if
I can't get a hold of my mom, I call
my brother who lives near her, and I'm like, I
need a life check for my mom. Like I how
do you not call your dad?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You know? Nobody question I do the same thing just
to hear them pick up and know that they're doing
all right. Yeah. Yeah, we don't know that. The sheriff
is saying that, uh that nobody was trying to contact
them that they know of. So if they do have
grown children, that there there was not an attempt to
make sure that the mom and dad were doing all
right and to check in on them. It seems like
(06:30):
nobody un tell this exterminator. Yeah, I was able to say, hey,
something is well, listen to this. This is the nine
on one call femail. Probably I don't know, I don't know.
I just send somebody up here real quick. That was
the the exterminator had let that security guy know, and
then then he called it in and and then they
came racing up and then they found him dead in
the house.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Well, I'm sure there's gonna be a podcast about it soon.
Alex So Alex, Alex Jones, Alex Jones, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Well that's okay, everybody, I'll talk to you like this. Yeah, yeah,
oh thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah, yell at me with some conspiracy theories and thanks
for your time.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Stone covering the Gene Hackman death, which is a terrible
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