02-28-25 FULL SHOW - What Happened to Family Values, Plus The Freddy Jones Band!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
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Altogether now woo all together now Anthony who we knew
May a day?

Speaker 4 (00:41):
And it hasn't even gotten started yet.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
So I don't know if you guys have if you
don't listen to Rossa's show and now you're joining me,
did anything happen? Well? I figured I would just well,
let's do the blog first, let's knock out the busy work,
and then we'll get into what's.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
Not even on the blog.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Because I finished the blog, I would to take a shower,
get ready for work, get ready to come into the office.
I get in my car and listen to the Roskiminski
Show and I'm like, oh my god, what happened? So
I had to stop my car, pull over, pull it
up on Twitter, where of course it already was, and
watch the conflagration between Voldemore. I call him Voldemore, but

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it's Voldemore Voldemir Volde. However you say his first name
President Zelenski from Ukraine in the Oval Office or in
the White House, And man, if you haven't heard it,
just wait. We're gonna get to it in a second.
Before I'm gonna tell you about the blog. Find the
blog at mandy'sblog dot com. Look for the headline that
says two twenty eight twenty four what happened to family

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Family Values plus the Freddie Jones band? So I, oh,
go ahead, click on that, and here are the headlines
you will find within tick Tech two A winner. I
think it was missing office half of American all with
ships and clippas and say that's going to press plat
today on the blog, so I posted something on X
about Britney Patterson taking her Ba to Congress, scrolling Freddie

(02:02):
Jones ban on today we're number one in inflation. No,
it's not surprisingly controversial. The skeleton will tell the story anyway.
Let's talk about that woman who vandalized Tesla buy some
stuff today, k young people think cheating isn't that big
a deal?

Speaker 4 (02:18):
We need nuclear in Colorado.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
The wingman takes the stage about the Epstein files release
why we need to know who is working where in
the federal government, the revolving door between the FDA and
drug companies. Go outside, you'll feel better. What is your
emotional support movie? Get your high school diploma for fifty
bucks tgif everbody, how do you not talk to your
ninety five year old father for a couple of months

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about Andrew Tait? Scrolling? Scrolling? Europe has overseen its own demise,
scrolling the private sector recession? What's in the Oscar gift bags?
And Zelensky is all dressed up at the White House.
Extend the life of your furry friends to Shrek look weird?
Those are the headlines on the blog at mandy'sblog dot com.

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Now Today, President Zelenski of Ukraine was supposed to meet
with President Trump of the United States to sign a
rare earth minerals deal that would have created a fund
that could be used to do two things. One rebuild
Ukraine and two pay back to the United States for
the amount of money that we've poured into this war.
It would also create an environment where the United States

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would have a vested interest in the security of Ukraine,
therefore providing implicit security guarantees. As Americans try to protect
American assets which would be taken over to Ukraine to
help develop their rare earth minerals. Ukraine currently does not
possess the technology that is needed to get some of
this mining done in an efficient fashion, so they need

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access to American technology in order to fully exploit the
rare earth minerals that they have. Last I saw, I
think it's like of the world's rare earth minerals are
in Ukraine. That's what's estimated. So it's a big deal.
And well, things did not go as they should have,

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and I want to play a longer cut. This is
five minutes. Okay, this is five minutes of what happened
in the White House. Now to set the scene, do
you have a group of leaders sitting across including Zelenskate, Trump,
jd Vance is to Trump's right when you're facing and
Keir Starmer is the UK Prime Minister on your left,

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and then Secretary of State Marco Rubio on the other side,
and they're having a conversation. The press is in the room,
and this is how things started to go south, and
go south very badly. This is about five minutes, yes,
quot yes, But after that he broke this is fun.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
And he did an exha Bristins.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
We decided the change of fitting, but he did into
this right now is the list. He's talking about the
failure of Vladimir Putin when it came to priorities fires.

Speaker 6 (05:10):
I'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's going to
end the destruction of your country gas.

Speaker 7 (05:14):
But he's a president.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
It's a president with respect.

Speaker 8 (05:16):
I think it's disrespectful for you to.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
Come to the Old Office to try to litigate this
in front of the American media. Right now, you guys
are going.

Speaker 9 (05:22):
Around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because you
have manpower problems.

Speaker 8 (05:27):
You should be thanking the president and going to bring
it into this ODI into Ukraine that you stayble thro
those have I have been to come along.

Speaker 9 (05:36):
I actually I've actually watched and seen the stories, and
I know what happens is you.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Bring people, you bring them on.

Speaker 6 (05:43):
A propagy edda to our mister president part do you disagree.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
That you've had problems of bringing people.

Speaker 9 (05:48):
In your military and do you think that it's respectful
honest to come to the Oval Office of the United
States of America and attack the administration that is trying
to trying to prevent the destruction of your kind.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
An old question less.

Speaker 9 (06:00):
Up from the big shortcoastal roles.

Speaker 8 (06:02):
You in the warm.

Speaker 10 (06:03):
Everybody has forbs given you, but you have my SoC
and don't feel out.

Speaker 9 (06:09):
But your field is in the future.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Now, let me just stop here, because what you have
here is jd Vance playing the role of attack dog,
and knowing what we know about Donald Trump, and knowing
what we know about jd Vance, I'm just gonna say
zero percent chance jd Vance does not go after President
Zelensky unless he was told by President Trump to do so.
My guess is is before this meeting, some version of

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Trump saying you're the bad cop. I'm the good cop.
You bring the wood, I make everything better. That's the
strategy here. This is clearly what's going on. But Zelensky,
instead of taking a moment when he said have you
even said thank you? Zelensky should have said, you know what,
I do appreciate everything that the United States has done
for me. But that's not what happened. Instead, he's like, hey,

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you guys, gotta you. Guys, got a ocean around you.
You don't have to worry about war, but you will,
and I'll let them continue. Let the other wore. Don't
tell us what we're gonna feel. We're trying to solve
a problem. Don't tell us what we're gonna feel.

Speaker 11 (07:09):
I'll you because there no position to dictate that.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
I remember what we're doing.

Speaker 12 (07:13):
You're in no position to dictate what we're going to feel.
We're gonna feel very good. We're gonna feel very good
and very strong till each And you're right now not
in a very good position.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
You've allowed yourself to be in a very bad position.

Speaker 13 (07:29):
And he's happens to be right about the were at
the beginning of the war. Not in a good positions.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
You don't have the.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Cards right now, which is absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
The Oneski is holding like a one, a seven, a jack,
a ten, you know, not of a match. But he
came in argumentative, and here I'll let them continue with us.
You start having cards right now. You're you're playing cards.

Speaker 11 (07:55):
You're playing you're gambling with the lives of millions of people.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
See you gambling with world War three. You're gambling with
World War three.

Speaker 11 (08:04):
And what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country,
this country that's back to you.

Speaker 13 (08:11):
Far more than a lot of people said they should.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Have have you said thank you once this entire meeting,
in this entire.

Speaker 14 (08:18):
DA and you said, they live today, and you went
to Pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition in October.

Speaker 9 (08:23):
Offer some words of appreciation for the United States of
America and the president who's trying to save your country
is you've.

Speaker 10 (08:33):
Seen that if you will speak or lawfully involve the war, you're.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Not speaking loudly. Now that again another missed opportunity by
President Zelensky, who again has no leverage. The Europeans can't
bail him out. The Europeans are funding both sides of
the war. Right now, you guys, I have an article
on the blog and it's basically about how Europe has
basically overseen it's becoming more irrelevant, right and I want

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to one part of this. According to a recent headline
in The Guardian, in twenty twenty four, the EU spent
more on fossil fuels from Russia twenty two billion euros
then it gave to Ukraine in aid nineteen billion euros.
The apparent delusion by European policymakers that platitudes can replace

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access to resources collided with reality on Day one but
from Portugal to Poland, almost everyone decided to ignore it
or make it worse. So who does President Zelenski think
is going to save his bacon? But I'll let them continue.

Speaker 11 (09:36):
Your counts in big trouble. You've done a lot of talking.
Your country is in big trouble.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I know you're not winning all. You're not winning this.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
You have a damn good chance of belding out.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Okay, because of.

Speaker 8 (09:48):
Other bread we have seen Inawa conference stays strong from
the Larry begin on, the war wouldn't be a little
and we are sayingle I said, sans you.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Have you haven't been alone.

Speaker 11 (09:58):
These he gave you, said, stupid president, three hundred and
fifty billion dollars.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
We gave your military equipment. You and your men are brave,
but they had to use our military money.

Speaker 11 (10:08):
Miss if you didn't have a military equipment.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Now, I'm just gonna stop it there, because you're beginning
to get the the vibe right. This did not go
well for President Zelensky at all. They ended up canceling
the rest of the diplomatic portion of the meeting and
he left, and as Ross pointed out, in a Chevrolet,
you know, with a little Ukrainian flag on it. This

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is this is fascinating, and people on X are just
freaking out, and they're freaking out based on partisan lines.
If you are on the left, your standard line is
how can Trump do this?

Speaker 4 (10:47):
This is the worst thing ever.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
And if you're on the right, you're like, yeah, about time,
About time somebody shut them up. Yeah, yep, here's what
I think about all this. And you can text me
on the Common Spirit Health text line at five sixty
six nine. Oh, by the way, Brett Beher is supposed
to have an interview tonight with President Zelensky, and as

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of right now on X he's saying it is still on.
So yeah, you can watch him tonight defend whatever he
thinks he's going to do. But there's a couple of
things at play that I think are kind of interesting. One,
no way Trump goes after him without I mean, Vance
goes after him without Trump approving that ahead of time. J. D.

(11:34):
Vance knows his place and his role as vice president.
He absolutely does.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
No.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Oh, yes, I did see. Oh, go ahead and read it.
You have it in front of end of you. I
saw it on This was sent out by the White
House very very shortly ago. Right before the show started.
Go ahead and read the statement from the White House. Yeah,
I'm from Donald Trump himself.

Speaker 15 (11:52):
He says, I have determined that President Zelensky is not
ready for peace if America is involved, because he feels
our involvement gives him a big advantage in the goiations.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
I don't want advantage. I want peace.

Speaker 15 (12:03):
He disrespected the United States of America and it's cherished
oval office.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
He can come back when he is ready for peace.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
All right.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
So, if you are a Donald Trump and you want
to show the world exactly who Ukrainian President Zelensky is,
this was the perfect way to do it. Bait the
guy and then wait for him to rise to debate,
and he truly did, truly did.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
So.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Now, how does Zelensky go back to Ukraine? And I
said this off the air, and I really think there's
part of this. You know, when you are showered with
adoration from all camps for a very long time, it's
very difficult not to let that go to your head,
very difficult. And I think that over the last three

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years he's been treated like a rock star. Zelensky has
been treated like the greatest thing ever. Because the enemy
of my enemy is my friend. Right, So he's been
showered with all of this adoration and all of this
everybody loves him. Look at him in his green outfit.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
I mean, come on.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
But the reality is is that maybe he's not a
great guy. Maybe Vladimir Putin is a horrible person, but
maybe so is Zelensky. Maybe there are no good winners here.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
I do think, and I said this on Ross's show earlier,
I don't think that you can underestimate everybody thinks that
Donald Trump is just working on the fly, and like
everything he does is just I'm making this up.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
I'm just you know, going as I don't believe that.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
You know, in the first round, in Trump one point zero,
I would have said, yeah, you can make an argument
for that. But in this go round, I think everything
he is doing is calculated for an end result that
we may not be privy to yet. And I think
perhaps what he's doing by sucking up to Vladimir Putin
is trying to peel Russia away from their growing alliance

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with China, because this administration has been very open and
very clear in believing that China is the biggest geopolitical foe.
They don't view Russia as our biggest geopolitical foe anymore.
They view China, and China and Russia have been getting
increasingly close over the years. That being said, Vladimir Putin
is not a loyalist to anyone but Russians. It doesn't

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care about anybody else but Russians. How can you help Russia?
And if China says we're gonna help Russia, then by gosh.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
China is their friend.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
But as soon as they don't, as soon as they're
not useful anymore, then boom, they are not going to
be as close to Russia. And if China decides to
be aggressive with Taiwan, we've got to have all hands
on deck to contain China. We don't have the manpower,
we don't have the navy, we don't have the military
right now to go to battle with China, and China

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knows it and we know it.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Now.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Just ticking off the rest of the world. I don't
think that's productive either. A couple interesting things, and I
don't have these soundbites, but I heard them when I
was on my way in as I was listening to
all this longer press conference that went on quite a
long time. Trump's status when it comes to NATO has

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always been in the first term, in this term, that
he wants to be a part of NATO as long
as the other NATO nations pull their weight.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
And I feel the exact same way.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
I'm tired of being the world's policeman and nobody ever.
You know how many people from the UK came over
and helped the people in North Carolina after a flood,
You know, I just we don't get back what we
put out there in many many ways, and we are
bankrupting ourselves helping other nations while we've got people in
our own nation that are struggling. And it's the point

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Howard's like, wait a minute, why are we doing this?
If they're not willing to commit the right amount of
money and funding to NATO, then.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Why should we?

Speaker 2 (15:46):
And I think that's a reasonable position. So I think
there's a lot of different moving pieces here.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
I think there's a.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Lot of different moving parts that when you look at
it in isolation, you look at this blow up in
the White House between President Zelensky and JD.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
Vance and isn't it Trump? You look at this, and
if you look at that in a vacuum.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
You think, holy crap, that's terrible, but it cannot be
seen in a vacuum. There's there's all of these other
parts that are moving around at the same time. It's
getting NATO to live up to their commitments to fund
a force that is worth having. You know what we
just I don't know, and I didn't talk about this,

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and I just read about it yesterday, So I'm sorry
if I missed it. Because there's been so much coming
out of the White House, I'm missing some things.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
But I don't know if you guys.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Knew this, But we withdrew from the World Health Organization
and I'm fine with that. After what they did in COVID.
They ran cover for China the entire frickin' time. They
lied about where that virus came from the entire time
on China's orders. Well, now the World Health Organization is
freaking out because we provide nine hundred and eighty eight
million dollars while China, who they've been running covered for,

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provides two hundred and eighty eight million dollars to fund
the World Health Organization.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Why is that?

Speaker 2 (17:01):
And I really believe that Donald Trump is tired of
seeing us and he says it all the time, being
taken advantage of, taken advantage of, taken advantage of. And
that's what he sees happening with NATO. It's what he
sees when he has a Ukrainian president who was stupid
enough to come and campaign for Joe Biden instead of
remaining neutral in a presidential race because he did not

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foresee that Donald Trump could be president again. Oh man,
it was fascinating, really really fascinating. So it has been, uh,
it's been very very I already see a text message
where someone says it took me thirty seconds to find
at least ten postings from Zelensky directly thanking the United

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States for their help. But then you start to look
at the dates and you realize what Jadie Vance was saying.
Zelensky was very happy to thank Joe Biden over and
over and over and over and over again, because you
got whatever you wanted from Joe Biden. And now that
Donald Trump is saying, hmmm, you know, we're gonna expect

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something to return for coming in to help you. Now
all of a sudden, you know it's not as appealing,
not at all. Oh gosh, you know how they have
those memes that say marked safe from whatever. There's one
already mark safe from having my bleep handed to me
in the Oval office today. It was quite fascinating. When

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we get back, by the way, I got a couple
guests coming up, including the Freddy Jones band, one of
the bands for My Youth.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
I wore out that cassette tape.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Wore it out.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Do that later in the show. But when we get back,
I want to tell you why.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
I'm actually kind of happy that this whole thing happened
in front of the cameras, in front of reporters, And
it's funny that people are so apoplectic, right They're like,
oh my god, this is sigit breach up de Korum,
Oh hew, can this stand? It's absolutely terrible?

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Hell can we even for a second allowed this kind
of thing to go on?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Well, you know what, what, how's it been working for
us in the past compared to what happened today? If
more quote diplomacy was handled in this fashion, I think
would be a lot better off. I'll explain it all
on the other side of this break. Right after this,
you should be thanking the president had to bring it
into this color.

Speaker 10 (19:18):
Let me into Ukraine that you say, what problems we have?

Speaker 2 (19:21):
I have been to come on.

Speaker 6 (19:23):
I have actually I've actually watched and seen the stories,
and I know what happens is you bring people.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
You bring them on a propaganda tour.

Speaker 6 (19:31):
Mister president, are do you disagree that you've had problems
what bringing people in your military? And do you think
that I respect I'm allowed to come to the Oval
Office of the United States of America and attack the
administration that is trying to trying to prevent the destruction
of your coin.

Speaker 10 (19:45):
A lot of a lot of questions. Let's start from
the beginning. Sure fills to wall.

Speaker 8 (19:49):
During the war.

Speaker 10 (19:50):
Everybody has problems, even you. But you have nice solution
and don't feel now, but you will feel it in diffusion.

Speaker 12 (20:00):
Less, you're less. Don't tell us what we're gonna feel.
We're trying to solve a problem. Don't tell us what
we're going to feel.

Speaker 13 (20:07):
I'm because you're in no position.

Speaker 12 (20:09):
To dictate that. Remember this, you're in no position to
dictate what we're going to feel. We're gonna feel very good,
feel We're gonna feel.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Very good and very strong influence.

Speaker 13 (20:22):
You're right now not in a very good position you've
allowed you to be a beginning to be right about
from the beginning of the war, not in a good position.

Speaker 12 (20:32):
You don't have the cards right now with us. You
start having right now, You're you're playing car You're gambling
with the lives of millions of people. You're gambling with
world War three. You're gambling with World War three. And
what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country, this country,

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far more than a lot of people.

Speaker 8 (20:56):
Said they should have.

Speaker 15 (20:57):
You said, you.

Speaker 14 (21:01):
Said today, you went to Pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition.

Speaker 16 (21:06):
In October, offers some words of appreciation for the United
States of America and the president who's trying to save
your country.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
That voice you heard was jd.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Vance, who played the role of a tack dog perfectly today.
And I say, before the break, you know, I don't
hate that this happened and diplomacy wise, because previously when
we had diplomacy happening, here's what would happen. There would
be a meeting behind closed doors, and then the leaders
would come out and they would sit there and they
would take like a few questions from the press, and

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they would say, oh, everything is great. We had such
a great conversation, we looked forward to moving ahead in
the future.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
And oh what a great talk we had. And then
whoever was in the room, the actual.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Room would start to leak things to sympathetic media outlets,
and depending where you were, your media outlet maybe reporting
something completely different than a different media outlet who got
a leak from someone else. This is all happening in public.
Not only just in public, it is happening in a
room full of reporters. Say what you will about Donald

(22:11):
Trump and his little spat with AP, but anyone who
tells you he doesn't respect the First Amendment is insane.
He's probably had more minutes of airtime in exchange with
the media than Biden and Obama combined. Obama wasn't horrible
about it, but he certainly wasn't this good. And god
knows they hit Joe Biden for four years. There was

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no way they were gonna let him have a free
wheeling discussion with the media, with people just shouting out questions.
The way diplomacy has always been done is let's just
have the rough conversations behind closed doors, and then we'll
massage you, we'll spin it, and we'll decide how it's
going to be presented to the people. The people deserve
to know and right now. Depending on when or who

(22:55):
you are or your political leanings, you either think this
is the worst, most horrible, embarrassing thing ever, or you're.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Like, heck, yes, let's do it. Rock and roll, baby,
rock and roll.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
If I am the Trump administration and I have questions
about Zelensky, and I have questions about Ukraine, which, by
the way, our own former president Joe Biden, remember he
threatened to withhold Ukrainian aid before the war because of
corruption in Ukraine, allegedly by the Biden family. Now what
we now know is that the Attorney general, the essentially

(23:32):
the equivalent to the Attorney general in Ukraine, was investigating
Hunter Biden's business associates. So Joe Biden allegedly steps in
and says, oh, you gotta that guy's corrupt, look at
him the corruption. You got to get rid of that guy,
or I'm not going to give you any foreign aid,
to which Ukraine capitulated and got rid of the guy
and the investigation into Hunter Biden's business partners went away.

(23:57):
So we know that there's corruption in Ukraine, and we've
known this the whole time. I've said throughout this entire endeavor,
like I'm not crazy about either sides in this war.
You know, obviously I don't like Putin. Obviously I think
Russia is a bad actor. That's not in question. You
can have you can believe that both sides are like
I don't know, you know, kindaky. So if you are

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the White House and you know that Zelensky is not this,
you know, man of the people, hero that everybody thinks
he is, this is exactly how.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
You set him up. You set him up, You go
after his ego. He takes the bait.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
He looks absolutely terrible. And now when people are like, well,
no wonder the United States doesn't want to help the guy,
it gives you a little political cover. Now let's talk
about the sucking up to Putin that Trump is doing.
I don't like it, want to be clear, don't like it.
But one thing I've learned in the first month and

(24:54):
a half of the Trump administration, which has been wild,
not even five weeks, five weeks he's been president. Let
me just wrap your head around that for a second.
This is five weeks into four years of a Trump administration.
One thing I have learned in my five weeks is
that you can't ever take the first thing at face value,

(25:16):
because it is it is a means to an end.
There is an end game here. So in looking at
Trump's sucking up to Russia voting against a resolution in
the UN that said Russia started the war along with
North Korea and Russia and all these other bad actors,
what's the point.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
What's the endgame to be gained there?

Speaker 2 (25:35):
I don't think Trump ever, ever, ever sees Russia as
being a superior nation to us.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
I do not believe that.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
One thing I've always thought about Trump, even though if
I personally disliked the guy, I always have thought that
he loves this country, absolutely loves it, thinks it's the
greatest country in the world. There's I'd never doubt his
love for the United States of America.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
I just don't. So I don't think it's that he
thinks Russia is well better.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Than us in any way, shape or form. But if
you're trying to get Vladimir Putin away from China, which
you now have said multiple times in multiple settings that
China is the big geopolitical foe here, if you're trying
to peel Russia away from their growing friendship with Russia.
By the way, you know what's happening in Central and
South America right now? Do you know why Secretary of
State Mark Aruba went there. First, he went to Saudi Arabia,

(26:23):
then he went to Central America. You know why because
China has been making inroads in Central America in a big,
big way. So Secretary of State Mark Rubia went down
to Central America to try and reassure and re establish
and you know, make commitments to facilitate American investment and
not even like government investment, private investment in Central and

(26:45):
South America. It's to peel them away from China. So
if you look at it from the perspective of if
everything that we're doing foreign policy wise is designed to
peel everyone away from China in case they a Taiwan,
which is increasingly it's looking like they will, then what
do you have to do to make that happen? Donald Trump,

(27:08):
I think understands Vladimir Putin because they're very similar. And
don't send me the text messages. Trump isn't Vladimir Putin.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
That's not what I said. They're very similar.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
They're very, very very much alpha males very much, both
of them, no doubt about it. So Trump understands just
like I think Trump fundamentally understands that he is. What's
the word I'm looking for an attack point for Trump
is going after anything related to his ego. We saw

(27:39):
it in the debate when he was doing so well
and then Biden went after something stupid, and he just
walked right into it, because you know, God talking about
golf handicaps.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
I mean, that kind of stuff is so dumb.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
But I think Vladimir Putin is the very same and
Trump knows that, and Trump recognizes that. So if you're
trying to interfere between Russia and China in order to
hopefully make it easier to push back against Chinese aggression
against Taiwan and other places, then did it makes sense?

Speaker 5 (28:05):
Now?

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Is that the grand scheme?

Speaker 2 (28:06):
I don't know. And that's the real kicker with this administration.
No one knows what's going to happen next. I just
saw a comedian whose name just went right out of
my head. Oh no, gosh.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
He has a really funny bit.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
He said, Trump being president is like having a horse
in a hospital. Do you know it's bad? You're I
mean you don't know what's gonna happen next, but you're
pretty sure it's not going to be normal. So I
don't know if what I'm saying is accurate. John Mulaney,
thank you. It was a very funny bit. Made me laugh.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
But he's right.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
But the downside of that is it makes it very
hard to figure out planning and thinking of and not
freak out every time something happens. But on the flip
side of that, being unpredictable on the world stage works
to our advantage. I really believe it's why no war
started when Donald Trump was in office, and I'm hoping
that the same will hold true this time. We've never

(29:04):
had as anti war a president as Donald J. Trump.
I think Donald Trump looks at war as a waste
of resources and manpower that could otherwise be spent making money.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
I think that's what he've views.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
The Russians and the Ukrainians are just wasting an entire
generation of young men that are never coming home to
produce children or anything else. And if you look at
it from that perspective, he is trying to get a
deal done. But I think he's going to go back
to Putin and say you know, we'll see if this
guy actually wants to make a deal. Right now, it
doesn't feel like he won't. By the way, Trump s

(29:38):
merely dismissed Zelensky from.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
The White House. Ooh, that's gotta hurt.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Somebody sent me a text or an email with some
backstory on it, and I want to share that very
very quickly as soon as I find it again, pointing
out how all of this nonsense got started today and
it didn't start with Trump on the blog I did,
I mean, on the break. I did a little search
on the interwebs and I found a story that gives

(30:04):
interesting context to this entire situation. I just said, I'm
glad this happened in public, because before everything's happening behind
closed doors. And this is exactly what comes from that.
This is from the Daily Mail four days ago, February
twenty fourth, twenty twenty four. Listen to this exclusive. Witnesses

(30:26):
baffled by Zelensky claims Secretary Treasury Scott Besstt was trembling
during the meeting. One hundred percent fake news. Let me
read this story to you real quick. Sources close to
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent have denied claims he was trembling
after a recent meeting with President Zelensky, dismissing it as
fake news. The Financial Times claimed Bessent was visibly flustered

(30:50):
after meeting the Ukrainian president, with his hands trembling. Zelensky
reportedly grew very angry with Donald Trump's finance chief for
making commands to in exchange for Ukrainian mental resources for
more security funding, raising his voice in a way that
could be.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Heard outside the room.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
He was very angry, a person present told The Financial Times. However,
The Daily Mail has been told a report was one
hundred percent fake news spread by Zelenski's team. Two sources
told Dailymail dot com there was tension and disappointment in
the room, as obviously if they thought it was a
done deal with Zelenski, but disputed the notion that Bassett

(31:34):
was shaking afterwards. Video of Thesent's remarks with Zelensky after
the meetings showed he was increasingly cautious and his voice trembled.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
As he spoke to reporters.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
He also appeared to be sweating as he spoke about
future negotiations with Ukraine. The exchange between Zelensky and kicked
off several days of angry statements from the Ukrainian president
and Trump that threatened to destroy any goodwill between the country.
After Trump criticized former president Joe Biden and accused Zelensky
of triggering the war in Ukraine, Zelensky complained that Trump

(32:07):
was living in a web of disinformation.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Trump fired back, describing.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Zelensky as a modestly successful comedian before becoming president and
a dictator without elections. Zolensky better move fast or he
is not going to have a country left, Trump warned.
He added that the Ukrainian president probably wants to keep
the gravy train going. But Trump indicated Monday there's a
strong possibility that Zelensky would eventually sign her minerals agreement,

(32:35):
suggesting a deal between the two countries could.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
Close this week or next week.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Zelensky, however, indicated there were more negotiations required before he
could sign a deal, complaining of a one to two
ratio of repayment to the United States in return for aid.
I'm not signing something that has to be repaid by
generations and generations of Ukrainians. Well guess what, President Zelenski.
The money we're sending you it's gonna have to be

(33:01):
repaid by generations and generations of Americans. This clown can
poundsand for all I care. I feel terrible for the
people of Ukraine. I feel absolutely terrible. There's no end
to this war in sight. The war is a slog.
The gains that are being made are gains of yards,

(33:24):
not miles or kilometers. It's just pathetic. But this guy,
this guy loves being the wartime president. And I think
this is why this happened in public. I think this
is why Trump was like, you know what, We're gonna
talk to this guy, but it's gonna be in front
of cameras. It's gonna be in front of the media.
It's gonna be in front of the press. They're gonna

(33:44):
see exactly who this man is. And if that was
the intention, it was extremely well executed, and I mean
extremely well executed. So when we get back, we're gonna
find out what happened. Apparently, the word on this on
X is the word on X is that the President

(34:05):
just said you can go and dismissed him, which in
and of itself is kind of embarrassing. But what does
he think he's going to do now? Zelenski, who does he.

Speaker 7 (34:16):
Go to for help?

Speaker 5 (34:17):
Now?

Speaker 2 (34:20):
What of their countries are willing to give him the
kind of money and access to military hardware that we are.
I can't. I'm genuinely I'm sitting here thinking, I'm like, Okay,
who are gonna ask? You can ask Europe because currently
Europe is given more money to Russia by buying their
oil and gas than they've given to Ukraine.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
I have that story today. So they're funding both sides
of the war, and they.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Can't afford to really aggressively go after Russia because Russia
could just turn off the spigott, although I don't know
who else they would sell it to. I mean, this
is just this is really convoluted and complex. All I
know is that I would not underestimate President Donald Trump
in this situation. I think Zelenski got out over in
front of his skis and it showed, and I have

(35:02):
no idea what is going to happen next. I mean,
I'm sure there's talk show hosts out there that are
confidently on the air today telling you exactly what is
going to go on.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
I am not one of them, because I don't like
to blow smoke out of my rear end.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
And anybody who says they know what's going to happen next,
I believe is lying.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
You could make an educated guess, and I'm trying. I'm
really trying to make educated.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Guesses about where I think things are going, which is
why I laid out the whole geopolitical picture in the
last segment. But if anybody says they know exactly what
Donald Trump is thinking, of what they want to do
and what they're trying to achieve, I just I don't
believe them. I think it's just crazy, absolutely crazy. By
the way, President Zelenski apparently also canceled his appearance at

(35:45):
the Ukraine House in DC, so we'll see.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Maybe he's back on a plane back to Ukraine right now.
I'm interested to see.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Tomorrow. I will pull up Ukrainian newspapers and there are
here's a fun fact you guys. You can go to
newspapers are in the world on Google and you can
hit the translate button and they will translate it all
into English for you. It's usually pretty bad. You have
to really work to kind of figure out what we're doing,
but it's very helpful to see exactly what they say

(36:14):
about this. We shall although that's right. He controls all
the news media outlets, so maybe that's not gonna be
as useful as I thought.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
We're gonna take a quick time out. When we get back.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Mary Alice Parks from ABC News will bring us the
very latest and then we will put a cap on
it and talk about other things that I have on
the blog today. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 5 (36:59):
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Speaker 2 (37:00):
We will have Mary Alice Parks from ABC News in
just a few minutes to talk about the dust up
in the White House between President Donald Trump, Vice President
JD Vance, and President Zelensky of Ukraine. The White House
has issued another statement. This one says President Donald J.
Trump and Vice President JD. Vance will always stand up

(37:20):
for the interests of the American people and those who
respect the United States position in the world, and will
never allow the American people to be taken advantage of
President Trump. They throw in a quote here, let me
tell you you don't have the cards with us. You
have the cards, but without you don't have any cards.
He said that to Zelensky. Then they add this. More
than half fifty two percent of Ukrainians won a quick

(37:42):
end to the war and believe Ukraine should be open
to seating some territory in exchange for peace that according
to a November Gallup poll, since martial law was declared
in Ukraine, one million fifty Ukrainians have been drafted into
military service. In October of twenty twenty four, Ukraine announced
it would be drafting another one hundred and sixty thousand.

(38:03):
The average age of Ukrainian troops is forty three years old.
Zelensky was called out for campaigning against President Trump in Pennsylvania.
Zelensky was flown to Pennsylvania in an Air Force C seventeen.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
So oh, wait, I miss, I miss the whole page here.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Even if the West did come through with all the
weapons they pledged, we don't have the men to use them.
One of Ukrainian President Voldemir Zelenski's close aides told Time
Simon Schuster, revealing that the average age of a Ukrainian
soldier has already reached forty three. One of Zelenski's Aids
also told Time in twenty twenty three that he is
deluding himself. We're out of options, We're not winning the

(38:45):
try telling him that the Ukrainian army is facing rising
desertions as ill trained and exhausted soldiers go a wall.
Zelenski himself has acknowledged that the situation in Ukraine could
lead to World War three and that without USA they
would lose. President Trump gave anti tank javelin missiles to Ukraine,
while Obama gave non lethal aid only including blankets.

Speaker 14 (39:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, it's not good, not good at all. Whatever's happening
not good. Okay, So we're just waiting for us to
her to call us. Okay, no problem though, we will
talk to her in just a few minutes. We went
through a lot of stuff in the first hour. The
text line is on fire and I haven't been.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
Able to get to it.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
So, Mandy, so you are fine with the US voting
for Russia and North Korea, et cetera in the UN,
because you please answer this. No, I'm not fine. I
already said that earlier in the show, but not everybody
listens to the whole hour. I'm not comfortable at all
with the sucking up to Vladimir Putin that is happening
right now.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
I'm not happy about that at all.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
You can believe these I believe both of these. I
don't particularly care for either of these countries, Okay, I
don't particularly have a dog in the fight personally. I
think Ukraine has a tremendous amount of corruption and has
for a very long time. And this war has been
the best thing that's ever happened in Ukraine in the
sense that it has given them an air of respectability

(40:09):
in the world that they did not have before. And
I said in the last hour, if you listened to
what I said about I don't think you can look
at this in a vacuum. The Trump administration has been
very very clear that they believe China is the geopolitical
foe that we need to worry about more. And Russia
and China's close relationship that they have developed over the

(40:29):
last few years is concerning because if China does make
a move on Taiwan, we've got to have the whole whole.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
World to say that's not okay.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
And if Russia as sides with China, then that creates
a whole other situation. A text are sent a little
while ago, but it has already fallen off. Wait here
we go, know here it is, Mandy, I agree with
you regarding the reason that Trump is cozying up to Putin.
I even uh blah blah blah text to to Ross.
One of the things that I have not heard Ross
bring to attention that you have implicitly from your comments

(40:58):
is China is one to see Russia weakened so they
can invade Siberia for its natural resources.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
I think Trump understands that Russia.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
At least has to not lose too many more military
personnel because if they do, that'll in volden China to
go after Siberia and or Taiwan sequentially.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
And that's the bigger part of this conversation.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
And by the way, Texter, I don't know. I don't
think that people on the left love to oversimplify Donald Trump, right.
They love to be like, oh, he just loves Putiny.
What's to be like Putin? He's not a simple man,
our president. He's not a stupid man. And if I
were on the left and I kept saying this guy
was stupid, well, you guys got your butts kicked by
a dumb guy. Then right, I would rather go with

(41:41):
the he's kind of smart, maybe not smart in the
traditional sense, but I do think that he is looking
at a bigger pie pieces than we're looking at right now.
So we'll see, we shall see. Mandy, do you think
there was a language barrier? I can't even explain myself
in my own language. Maybe, but if that was a problem,

(42:05):
then there should have been an interpreter in there to
express or help at the time. And I don't even
think there was an interpreter in the room. Zolensky certainly
didn't need an interpreter when he campaigned for Joe Biden.
I think Zelensky speaks just fine English. This Texter, Trump
and Dvans are horrific embarrassment.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
Spandy. Never seen anything like that in my life.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
And if you support that childish peeing match we just
saw by these two men who are unbelievably insecure individuals,
you're part of the problem too. Okay, So, Texter, what
do you think about Zolensky's performance. Here's a guy who
desperately needs our help, desperately needs our help, and he
certainly made some bad choices. Mary Alice Park joining us

(42:49):
now from ABC News Wow, Mary Alice, what a day. Yeah,
what a day.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
I've never seen something like that at the White House.

Speaker 17 (42:58):
You think about these meetings with heads of state.

Speaker 5 (43:01):
They're normally so formal, the language so coded.

Speaker 17 (43:04):
Even frankly, when those meetings in the over Office are
tense or not.

Speaker 5 (43:08):
With a traditional ally, they.

Speaker 17 (43:11):
Still don't normally include raised voices.

Speaker 5 (43:14):
It was a remarkable scene.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Well, Miriollis, I just shared a story with my listeners
from Monday of this week where apparently it is alleged
that during a meeting with Secretary of the Treasury Scott
the Sent that Zelenski's people came out of the meeting
and started telling the media that the sent was trembling
and scared and completely intimidated. And I'm wondering if that
played into the decision to have the dirt all in

(43:38):
public on this meeting, you know, And what are your
thoughts about the possibility that being a reason that they
decided to do this kind of rough and tumble diplomacy
in front of the news media.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
Yeah, I hadn't heard of that. The reality is the
bas job going into.

Speaker 17 (43:56):
This meeting was already tense, you know, about the last
few weeks when when the United States on boy was
meeting with rushing counterparts without inviting Ukraine to the table.
The language we've heard from the President in the last
few days, calling Olymskape a dictator frankly, so much rhetoric
that had rattled in Europe.

Speaker 5 (44:16):
I mean, the reason that we have got other European
leaders also rush here to Washington to try to convince.

Speaker 17 (44:22):
Prompt to stick with Ukraine, to stick with them, frankly,
And that was the backdrop one into this meeting.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
That was LISSI had hoped to keep things cool. It's
in his interest to continue to have you as the
United States support.

Speaker 7 (44:37):
And you could tell watching him that there were moments.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
Where he sort of.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Stobbed himself, tried to sit back.

Speaker 17 (44:46):
It almost was like wanted to roll his eyes a
few moments, but tried to catch himself. And I guess
I'm saying, is watching it it was hard.

Speaker 5 (44:52):
I felt like I was watching.

Speaker 17 (44:53):
Someone who was biting his tongue and then at some
point couldn't take it anymore.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Unfortunately, though he needs our help way more than we
need him. And that's the reality. I mean, as far
as doing diplomacy goes, I don't think he did himself
any favors. And I think the Trump administration, if they
were trying to demonstrate why they don't want to work
with Zelenski, they've set him up and he took the
bait perfectly.

Speaker 17 (45:16):
Yeah, I mean they they accused him of not of
not wanting to engage in diplomacy, and he really showed
true skepticism about working with Putin.

Speaker 5 (45:25):
You know, he tried to talk about times when when
before the war, whether they worked on potential to these deals,
and in his words, you know, Putin back down, the
reality is the.

Speaker 7 (45:38):
And invaded anyway.

Speaker 17 (45:39):
You know, the reality is you're right that they have
been relying on us age to try to fight Russia's invasion.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
And he came kind of pull at those heart strings.

Speaker 17 (45:48):
I think he had a minilla envelope with pictures of
Ukrainian prisoners of war and how they were treated by Russia.
He talked about the tens of thousands of Ukrainian children.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
Russia has taken back to Russia, trying to talk about
just the human.

Speaker 17 (46:05):
Cost of Russia's invasion and so the meeting and you
could feel Trumps, of.

Speaker 5 (46:11):
Course, the pathetic to the horrors of war, but you're right,
even though it started that way, it's a pathetic.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
By the end, it was hard to.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
See that that Zelenski had managed in any way, so
Trump's good side.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Do you know what happened after the meeting that's been
being reported in various places that basically Zelensky was dismissed.
Do you know he's canceled some appearances, But do you
know if he's planning on leaving the United States right away?

Speaker 4 (46:37):
Is this is this dead in the water as we
know it right now?

Speaker 18 (46:41):
You're exactly right.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
Our understanding is that he was essentially dismissed, that.

Speaker 19 (46:44):
He had hoped to continue some conversations with White House folks,
but that after the meeting, the President decided that he
was done and didn't want to talk to him anymore
and basically kick the Ukrainians out of the White House,
and they.

Speaker 17 (46:55):
Canceled what was supposed to be a joint press conference
and at other digning ceremois and other events that had
been previously scheduled.

Speaker 5 (47:04):
I don't know if he will leave the country immediately.
I mean, he had going into this meeting done.

Speaker 17 (47:09):
A by part of the meeting on Capitol Hill with
a number of Republicans so I'm not sure if he
will try to continue to be with other Republicans before leaving.

Speaker 5 (47:17):
But yet basically the President said he was talking to
him for the day.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
At least not good for the Ukrainians, this certainly was.
I mean, if there was ever any doubt that things
are not being done in DC as they've been done before,
I think this pretty much should put that to rest.
I mean, that's fair.

Speaker 18 (47:37):
It is a complete pivot in the United States foreign policy,
and this is a had been long seen as an ally.
I remember when Ziloski was first dealing with this crisis,
dealing with a Russian invasion in games to Washington and.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
Was received with open arms.

Speaker 17 (47:56):
We remember those pictures on Capitol Hill with Democrats Republicans.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Something's actually more.

Speaker 17 (48:01):
Often the Republicans that were that would stand in a
plot and support Ukraine because.

Speaker 5 (48:07):
They wanted to fight I push back on Russia's invasion, and.

Speaker 18 (48:11):
Of course we've seen this president be skeptical.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
We've seen this president be quick to take Russia at
its word and a big, big, potensil size.

Speaker 17 (48:21):
Mixtift in the relationship between the United States and the
rest of Europe.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Mary Alice Park from ABC News I appreciate your perspective today.
Thank you, thank you. Her connection was terrible. Sorry, I'm
wanted to talk to her a.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Little bit longer, but I can't chirpy chirpy connections. I
can't do.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
But you know, like I said, I'd love to tell
you I know what's going to happen next, but I
don't try to pull up Bret there. Brett Fair on
Fox News is supposed to have an interview with him
today Zelenski, so we will see. I'm watching to see
if anything pops up. It says it's still on the
schedule now. So Brett says, we're still we've been so

(48:59):
that that's going to be a must watch tonight. White
House officials, by the way, have said Trump kicked out Zelensky,
he did not walk off on his own. Rare mirror
rare mineral deal was not signed. White House says Ukrainians
were begging to reset, but Rubio and Waltz inform them
Zelensky needs to leave the White House grounds in return
when he's ready for peace. The President and US officials

(49:21):
felt disrespected by Zelensky's rhetoric and demeanor, citing that he
was shrugging and rolling his eyes during the conversation, and
so on and so forth. Kavy, what do you got
for me?

Speaker 20 (49:31):
Oh well, we understand that at least per the President's schedule,
he is now supposed to be wheels up tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
Lago.

Speaker 20 (49:38):
Okay, we think the President is done with this issue
for today. That's a very AliOS Chid.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yeah, she said it's done, done, done, so nothing significant
is going to happen. But I mean, it can't be
left this way, Kathy. You know, it's not like this
could be Ukraine can't afford to have it left this way.
I mean, that's the thing.

Speaker 20 (49:58):
And I think that's the point Iris trying to make
with Ross a little bit earlier, like what happens now
in all of eastern Europe as a result of this
willing meltdown in Washington.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
The shockwaves, the shockwaves, I'm guessing.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
I'm guessing that in the EU right now people are
being jostled out of bed to have a conversation about
what occurred in the White House today because this puts
a tremendous amount of pressure on Europe. And Matt Crow
has been trying to gather up what he called the
important nations, but then he made everybody else who didn't
get invited mad, so they can't even convene a meeting

(50:34):
without some kind of you know, situation. And I don't
see Europe being able to get it together enough to
back Ukraine without US backstopping Europe. And right now I
don't feel like that backstop exists. I'm also a little
bit of a news cycle person. Exactly what you said.

Speaker 20 (50:53):
It's late, late, late at night in Europe on a
Friday night, on a weekend.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
On some level, this just fasters through the weekend.

Speaker 20 (51:02):
Very hard for people to react and get policy statements
made and policy shifts done on a weekend.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
It's very interesting on x to watch the responses because
I follow a pretty varied group of people. I follow
people on the right, I follow people on the left.
And really it has become tribal instantly, instantly, And it's
fascinating because we all watch the same thing. But isn't
it interesting to see how differently we all perceive what

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we just watched based on whether we like the people
involved or not.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
It's this whole thing.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
I mean, if it wasn't so serious and there weren't
people dying right now because of it, this would be
like the most amazing House of Cards episode in the history.

Speaker 20 (51:42):
Of House of Cards, unprecedented what we all heard and
saw today on television.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
Yeah, from the Oval office.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Yea, So we are going to I've got other stuff
that I really want to talk about today. I realize
this is a huge story, but I do have things
that I want to talk about that don't have anything
to do with it. Yes, so, And by the way,
I did a whole blog today before any of this happens.
So it's all this stuff that has nothing to do
with that. But I'm curious as to whether or not

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you guys, And you can text me at five six six,
and I know even my text line is very different,
very different. Mandy Audit the aid, Yeah, Trump has a
tea time, He's got to go to Florida, Mandy. Fox
News is reporting that Brett Maher is still interviewing Zelensky. Mandy,

(52:32):
I'm so appalled, so unseemly, and I'm not talking about Zelensky.

Speaker 15 (52:36):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Can I ask you a question, Nana, and I mean
this about that particular thing. I love the notion of decorum.
I think decorum is important. It's one of the reasons
that I don't like the fact that John Fetterman continues
to wear jim shorts when he's going to work as
a US senator. Right, just put on some long pants.
That's all I'm asking Just a couple, just a pair
of khakis, throw me a bone. But what we have

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seen up to this point, and I read a story
from The Daily Mail earlier in the show that what
happens behind closed doors then gets leaked to news media
outlets by people who are trying to set the narrative
of what happened behind closed doors.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
And how's that worked out for us?

Speaker 2 (53:16):
I mean, do you really think the world and the
world of diplomacy is working in its current form? And
don't get me wrong, I don't want every bit of
diplomacy to be done in a brawl and you know,
on a bar you know, a barroom brawl.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
That's not what I'm asking for.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
But if they know something about Zlensky that we don't
know about Zolensky and they want us to see what
they think he is, what better way to do it
than to put it in front of the cameras. That way,
nobody can go out and leak what happened. Nobody can
go out and say, you know, Zelensky was just he
was the greatest guy ever. He was so respectful and jd.

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Vance was just super rude. Jd Vance was tough, But
I'm sure he did that on Trump's marching orders. Look
at Trump's demeanor as Jay Evans was going after him.
Trump's just sitting there in the power post, fingers together, listening,
not doing anything, not reacting, not looking agast and his
vice president. So yeah, Trump knew that that was going

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to happen in some way, shape or form. The worst
picture I've seen is Marco Rubio, our Secretary of State,
who's sitting back on a couch, kind of slouched down.
Looks like he's sitting in the backseat of the car
when mommy and daddy are fighting. It's not a good
look for him, not at all. Mandy, you definitely have
a dog in the fight. Are you not curious how
Zelensky went from a democracy hero representing the world standing

(54:38):
up to a proven murderous dictator to being rolled under
the bus after the master manipulator was elected, who has
continuously supported the position of the true dictator. I only
hope the supporters can recognize the fact when the harsh
reality comes to light of the genuine intentions of the
incredible Donald Trump. Ukraine has been sacrificing their lives and
treasure to battle for all of us. Our contribution is

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cheap compared to having the battle line at our doorstep.
Isn't that the same argument we made about rolling into Afghanistan.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
I mean, I'm not sure to be disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
You can have your opinions about Trump, but I do
think that you're making all these grandiose statements too soon,
because where you see one incident, I see a process,
and I don't know what the process is. There are
things going on in the White House that we're not
privy to that. I actually think there is a plan.
And I know for people who hate Trump, they can't

(55:29):
even believe the guy would have a plan. But I
think he has a plan, and I think we're only
seeing part of it. We're five weeks in five weeks
and for the first time, by the way, people are
talking about trying to end the Ukraine War. Why didn't
the Biden administration do that? Why didn't they try to
have negotiations of any kind? Why didn't they Because there's

(55:51):
a zero percent chance that Ukraine is going to dominate
and destroy Russia.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
They've had three years to do it.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
They've had billions of dollars to make that happen, and
Russia is still hold and steady. As I said before,
the gains, they're gains of inches, not of miles, not
of kilometers. So you know, how would you like to
see this work out? Texter? How much more American money

(56:19):
would you like to just throw into this? And did
you feel the same way about the endless wars in
Iraq and Afghanistan? Were they too righteous wars because we
were fighting the Islamis over there instead of here. That's
the exact same logic. And from what I remember, people
on the left, they didn't like the Iraq war in
the Afghanistan war.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
Just saying.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Mandy, I think it's extremely hypocritical that Trump has an
issue with disrespect in the White House, yet he excuses
all the January sixth disrespectful people. A lot of people
in the January sixth prosecutions deserved to stay in jail,
but a lot of people were prosecuted ridiculously and maliciously.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
So make sure that we divide those people up.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Because though I wish she hadn't pardoned anybody that committed
any kind of violence. There was a lot of people
that the Biden and Admin went off after that did
not deserve it at all. And that's why pardonable, truly, truly. Okay,
when we get back, we're going in a completely but
no less controversial direction. I posted something on x dot
com about Britney Patterson taking her one month old son

(57:26):
to cast a vote in the Capitol and said, why
can't we in this modern era figure out a way
to let new parents, new moms, be able to vote.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
You know, she has a point.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Oh boy, did my followers disappoint me. We'll talk about
that with Hadley heading meath I had Wait a minute,
we try that again, Hadley heath manning right after this,
I want to talk about a dust up I created
on x dot com that I didn't think would be
much of a dust up. Okay, let me just lay
the groundwork here. Representative Britney Patterson, who is a young woman,

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She just had her second child, The child is five
weeks old. She is a Democrat, and politically there's probably
not a single dang thing that I agree with Representative
Brittany Peterson with Okay, I don't. But she's got a
point when she says, if I want to be able
to vote for my representatives, for the people that she's

(58:17):
been elected.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
To represent, she had to fly and she took her
baby with her.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
And yes it was a photo op to stand there
with her baby in front of the Capitol, But the
underlying point is solid. There should be in the modern
era a way to allow women of child bearing age
to have time at home with their newborns while still
be able to represent the people that they were elected
to represent. And joining me now from the Steamboat Institute,

(58:42):
Hadley Manning Heath. Wait, Hadley, you've dropped the heath now
that you've just gone with Matt Manning. What is your
what do you go by?

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Now?

Speaker 21 (58:50):
You could call me really, any of the if of Hadley,
just call me Hadley Cadi.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
So you reached out to me because you also are
a young woman, you have had children while you're pursuing
very difficult and high level jobs. I was disappointed by
the response that I got on my x feed for
my followers, who I think more than probably seventy five
percent lean right. They were dismissive, they were ugly. She

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shouldn't have run for Congress. She should have resigned her role.
They were anything but sympathetic to the needs of a
new mom, and you were like, Ah, this should be an.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
Area that the GOP should really lead on. Dig down
on that for me, that's right.

Speaker 21 (59:32):
We yeah, I mean, I think both parties should try
to support working moms and working families, and we shouldn't.
You know, I don't want conservatives to seed this to
the left. Yes, it was a photo op, but it
was a photo op that was created because her request
to vote remotely was dismissed, was turned down. So I
think you got to think in forty chess terms when

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you're in today's political environment. Of course, it created a
pr set of optics that were bad for congress a leadership.
But they should have known that, you know, they should
have known that was what was going to happen in
this case. And you know, Mandy, we have in Colorado.
I kind of want to put this in the bigger
picture of family policy. Right, we have in Colorado this

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New Family Act, which I opposed. I worked very hard. Actually,
I was on the commission that Governor polis Like appointed
me to this commission to do a.

Speaker 7 (01:00:23):
Study about whether or not.

Speaker 21 (01:00:24):
We should have an entitlement program to provide paid family
leave to everybody in Colorado from the government, And of course.

Speaker 7 (01:00:31):
That's that's bad. I don't like that. I think that's
government meddling where it doesn't belong.

Speaker 21 (01:00:35):
But there are specific questions, like what happened with Representative
Peterson that you have to remember.

Speaker 7 (01:00:42):
In this case, the government is her employer.

Speaker 21 (01:00:44):
We the tax payers, we are her employer, and so
we're making a very specific decision. She's only the thirteenth
person to give birth while in office, so it's a
very small number of people who've had this experience. It's
almost as if this is more symbolic than consequence. But
the symbolism really matters, and I think that this is
again conservatives should not see this to the left and give.

Speaker 7 (01:01:06):
Them more ammunition to say, oh, look, how hypocritical. They
say they're the family values party. They say they're in
favor of women and supporting women.

Speaker 21 (01:01:14):
And by the way, we just had a great, you
know month the last month with the executive.

Speaker 7 (01:01:19):
Order on women's sports.

Speaker 21 (01:01:21):
You know, I do think that conservatives have really had
a morally and politically superior position on women's sports.

Speaker 7 (01:01:28):
This is a great wedge issue.

Speaker 21 (01:01:29):
It's an opportunity for us to say, actually, we've been
we've always been in favor of doing what's best for women.
That just didn't come out in this series of events
around Representative Patterson.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
A lot of people responded with some variation of where
does it stop, Like, essentially, if you allowed a nursing
mother to vote remotely, then some guy who just didn't
want to come to the office would want to vote remotely.
And I think that those are things they can be
addressed in a very specific fashion. But I would say,
if someone is battling cancer, if they are in their

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district getting treatment at one of their local hospitals for
a disease that has an endpoint, right, not like a
terminal disease where you're just going home to die, but
if you're home, I mean, why can't which technology, Why
can't we say, look, you can get a special dispensation
from the parliamentarian or whatever or whoever you need to
go to. I think it's unreasonable in the modern era

(01:02:22):
to say that you have to get on horseback and
ride to d C in order to create a quorum.
I just think that that is very outdated thinking, and
it was done during a time when no person that
was going to have a baby was in Congress.

Speaker 21 (01:02:34):
It's time to modernize it been allowed to in Congress, right,
I mean, yeah, No, I understand the argument, slippery slope argument.

Speaker 7 (01:02:42):
I think that's fair.

Speaker 21 (01:02:43):
I think that's we should always ask those questions about
anything related to public policy, because we shall always.

Speaker 7 (01:02:48):
Guard against it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
You know.

Speaker 21 (01:02:50):
But I've in the past, you know, a couple of
weeks while they've been debating the budget, I have heard
very reasonable arguments from conservative lawmakers about the Medicaid program.
For example, we want Medicaid to be available to single
mothers and children. We want to provide for the health
insurance needs of people in the population who otherwise, you know,

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would be falling.

Speaker 7 (01:03:12):
Through the cracks.

Speaker 21 (01:03:13):
But we don't we draw a line at we don't
want to provide Medicaid for an able bodied, twenty nine
year old guy who could be out there working. So
this is public policy. This is where we make reasoned
decisions about the cost benefit analysis.

Speaker 7 (01:03:27):
You know, I don't believe in no government. I believe
in limited government.

Speaker 21 (01:03:30):
And again, in the case of Representative Pedterson, the.

Speaker 7 (01:03:32):
Government is her employer.

Speaker 21 (01:03:33):
This is more similar to I think the rules change
that took place in twenty eighteen when Senator Tammy Duckworth
became the first US Senator to give birth while she
was in office. The Senate, in a bipartisan way, changed
the rules so that she could bring her breastfeeding davy
with her onto the Senate floor. I mean, prior to that,
senators weren't allowed to bring babies with them. I've even

(01:03:54):
heard things about Senator Chris Murphy leaving his kids kind
of like unattended outside of the Senate chambers so we.

Speaker 7 (01:03:59):
Could go in and vote. Stuff like that's kind of silly.

Speaker 21 (01:04:01):
I think we can make room for people who have
families to participate in government as elected representatives, and that
does not commit us should not commit us to going
to the full extreme. I mean, COVID showed us, yes,
there are benefits to remote work, but there's also an
unreasonable extreme that allows people to shirk their responsibilities and
not do their jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
That's not good. I don't want that.

Speaker 7 (01:04:23):
I think when it comes to this particular.

Speaker 21 (01:04:25):
Issue, I think lawmakers who are women who are mothers
who have you know, have to give birth, who are
recovering from childbirth, I think that's a very unique circumstance.
I think, you know, the next step would be what
about all the dads in Congress?

Speaker 7 (01:04:41):
There's actually a lot more dads in Congress than there
are minds. But I think in this case, just like
we've said.

Speaker 21 (01:04:47):
When it comes to the women's sports issue, there are
biological differences between men and women, there are differences to.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Mens and dads.

Speaker 21 (01:04:52):
I think in this case, asking a mother to board
a flight to DC to cast a vote and then
fly back that's a lot harder than asking a post
part of dad.

Speaker 7 (01:05:01):
Like, what even is a postpartum dad? You know, this
is what I'm talking about, is a dad who has
a newborn patient.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Right well, and because let's just forget about let's take
the breastfeeding part out of it, because dads don't breastfeed.
The physical act of getting a baby out of you,
whether you do a natural birth or you do an
induced labor, you do a C section, it beats the
crap out of your body, and you deserve, as a
new mom to not have to worry about hopping on
a plane to go do this.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
Hardley, I appreciate your perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
I was shocked, honestly, and I think that if there
had been an R behind her name, everyone would have
had an outflowing of compassion. And I think that's awful because,
like I said, I don't agree with the single thing
I don't think with Britney Patterson except this, and this
should cut across all partisan lines, and we should be
able to make it okay for women of child laring
age to be in Congress.

Speaker 15 (01:05:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:05:51):
I like that she supports direct primary care for Medicaid patients.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
That's good.

Speaker 21 (01:05:54):
I mean, we can probably find some common ground with
just about anybody. Well, maybe not just about any I
think there is certainly a case being made here that
this is one of these issues where we have a
tendency to put partisan goggles on, you know, because in
this case, yeah, I could see the temptation for congressional
leadership to say, hey, this would you know, this would
be one less vote for the Democrats if we say

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no to her request to vote remotely by by proxy.

Speaker 7 (01:06:18):
Okay, fine, well, look.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
At the big picture.

Speaker 21 (01:06:20):
In the big picture, we want family friendly lawmakers. We
want lawmakers who are more likely to share you know,
pro family values. Yes, limited government values too, But a
lot of times those people end up in the middle
of the finn diagram together. You know, there's a lot
of limited government conservatives who also love families. And I'll
just end by saying this, every new life is a gift,

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is a blessing, is something special, and that should be celebrated.
That should not be something that we say, oh, this
is getting in the way. It's getting in the way,
you know, like, and that's how we treat it unfortunately,
whether it's a member of Congress or sometimes other workplaces,
like the idea that a woman has a baby's like, oh,
this is getting in the way of productivity whatever. Without
these babies, without our children, we have no future. So

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I'm really excited and hopeful that maybe we'll chip away
at somematitudes like this and we'll change things for the
better for members of Congress in the future, and that
will attract more women of child bearing age, potentially, women
who you know, have lots of kids and want to
do what's best for their kids' future.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
And I do think that people with children do have
a different view of the future than people without, because
we have a vested interest in leaving something behind for
our children that is worth it. Hadley Manning, I'll talk
to you soon. Young lady.

Speaker 7 (01:07:35):
Thank you, Mandy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
All right, that's Hadley Manning from the Steamboat Institute. We'll
be right back. The conflagration at the White House. As
President Voldemort Voldemir Zelensky. I don't know why I keep
trying to call him Voldemort after today, I mean maybe
if you missed it, can I my computer a rod
is my computer up? If you missed it, let me

(01:07:57):
just play it for you. This happened in public in
front of the cameras. It was quite traumatic. You should
be thanking the president for any been to Ukraine that
you say what problems we have? I have been to
come on.

Speaker 6 (01:08:11):
I have actually I've actually watched and seen the stories,
and I know what happens is you bring.

Speaker 16 (01:08:17):
People, you bring them on a propaganda tour.

Speaker 6 (01:08:19):
Mister President, are do you disagree that you've had problems
with bringing people in your military?

Speaker 10 (01:08:25):
And do you think that I respect Alan's to come
to the Oval Office.

Speaker 16 (01:08:28):
In the United States of America and attack the administration
that is trying to trying to prevent the destruction of
your kind.

Speaker 10 (01:08:33):
At a lot of questions. Let's start from the beginning.
First of all, during the war, everybody has problems even you.
But you have nice otion and don't feel now, but
you will feel it in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Bless God, bless you're.

Speaker 10 (01:08:49):
Not blessed, you're not.

Speaker 12 (01:08:51):
Don't tell us what we're going to feel. We're trying
to solve a problem. Don't tell us what we're going
to feel. I'm not telling you because you are in
no position to dictate that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Remember this, you're not.

Speaker 12 (01:09:00):
You're in no position to dictate what we're gonna feel.
We're gonna feel very good. Feel We're gonna feel.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Very good and very strong, feel influenced. You're right now
not in a very good position.

Speaker 13 (01:09:12):
You've allowed you to be in the beginning, and he's
from the very beginning of the war not in a
good position.

Speaker 12 (01:09:20):
You don't have the cards right now with us. You
start having right now, you're playing. You're gambling with the
lives of millions of people. You're gambling with world War three.
You're gambling with World War three. And what you're doing
is very.

Speaker 11 (01:09:37):
Disrespectful to the country, this country.

Speaker 12 (01:09:43):
Far more than a lot of people said they should have.

Speaker 14 (01:09:45):
Have you said thank you once locker times, No, you
said you went to Pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition
in October offer some words of appreciation for the United
States of America and the President who's trying to save
your country.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
So that went well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Shortly thereafter, Zelenski was dismissed from the White House. You
can go, and so far the world has erupted. Michael
Bennett issued a statement, and I'm not going to read
the whole thing because has gone along. Colorado US Senator
Michael Bennett released the following statement in response to today's
Oval Office meeting between Ukrainian President Voldemir Zelenski and US

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President Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
And this is the statement. As I said last week on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
The Senate floor, the American people have been extremely generous
in our support of Ukraine. It is also equally true
that the Ukrainian people have earned a debt of gratitude
from the entire free world, including the United States. Their courage,
our weapons, and the weapons of our allies have put
Putin's army at the gates of Europe. I don't understand.
I held have held Putin's army at the gates of

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Europe in defense of their country democracy in the West.
Ukraine has paired a terrible human toll forty three thousand
deaths and another three hundred and seventy thousand casualties in
cemeteries across Ukraine which I have visited. Fresh graves piled
with dirt and flowers testify to their sacrifice. And then
he goes on. Every time President Trump opens his mouth,

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including with his lack of self control in the Oval
Office today, he weakens Ukraine's bargaining position and hours and
makes the world more dangerous.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
As I said on the Senate floor last week.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Rolling over to Putin will embolden other dictators around the world,
especially Jijinping of China.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
When we get back, I'll explain or actually.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Ask a question, and maybe we'll reach out to Senator
Bennett's office and see if we can get them on
the show. They have been receptive to being on the show.
I'd like to know the answer, and you know what,
you can text me at five sixty six nine zero
and tell me what does victory look like in Ukraine?
According to Senator Bennett, what does that look like?

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Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
We are working our way through the third hour of
the show, and man, what a day it's been coming
at that two thirty. We are going in a totally
different Finally, it's Friday, Simple fun direction the Freddy Jones
Band in studio, well, two members of the Freddy Jones Band,
neither of which are named Freddy Jones, because apparently there's
never been a Freddy Jones in the band.

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
We're going to find out.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Rick Lewis may pop by as well, because tomorrow night
they're all playing at the Wild Goose Saloon and Parker
and it's going to be a fun night. So, uh,
somebody just sent me a message. We're talking obviously about
the dust up in the White House between Voladimir Zelensky
and that is his name is not Vladimir's Voldemir Zelensky
and JD Vance and President Trump. And depending where you

(01:13:06):
sit politically, if you're looking at social media, you either
think this is the worst thing ever or you're like,
heck yeah, man, heck yeah. Somebody sent me an information
that Ukrainian MP Olexander Dubinski just called for an emergency
session of Ukraine's parliament to initiate impeachment proceedings against President

(01:13:28):
Zelensky after the Oval Office shouting match. But something you
have to know about this guy is that this guy
is being investigated by the Zelensky administration, has been accused
of treason and several other crimes. He's been accused of
colluding with the Russians. So got to take that with
a grain assault. This whole situation is just nuts. It's

(01:13:49):
it's absolutely nuts. But I asked the question before the break,
what does victory look like in Ukraine? And I hope
I have the chance to ask Senator Michael Bennett this
because one of my frustrations when it comes to and
I hope you guys learned as much as I did
from the Iraq and Afghanistan war. If I were commander
in chief and somebody came to me and said, Madam,

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we have to intervene here, we have to support them,
my first question would be, Okay, what is the victory?
What are we trying to achieve? What is the end
game that we are trying to get to? Because this
we're just going to help them out and have their back. Nonsense. No,
that's how endless wars start, and we're not doing that.
We're simply not going to do that. So what does

(01:14:33):
victory look like in Ukraine? Here's what I tell you
what I think it looks like. I think it looks
like Russia gets to keep Crimea, which that happened in
twenty fourteen, and the Obama administration didn't do anything. Isn't
it funny that all the Democrats are lining up to
tell us that we have to back to the Ukrainian people,
but when they were in charge of everything, they.

Speaker 4 (01:14:52):
Didn't do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
That's so weird, Gousha, I never really thought about that
until right now. So Russia keeps Crimea and maybe some
you know here and there, like right along the border,
but that's pretty much the best you're gonna get if
you're Ukraine. I don't think they're ever gonna get back
their pre twenty fourteen borders. They should have fought harder

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in twenty fourteen. And I mean that. I love it
when people are like, like Israel is there should get
back to the nineteen sixty seven borders. Well, you shouldn't
have attacked him in nineteen sixty seven. You should You
should have realized they were gonna kick your butt. Somebody
just asked on the text line, Mandy, what happened to
the two minute warning? You guys, it really hurts my
throat because I'm pushing out so many stories and so fast,

(01:15:36):
and it really hurts my throat. I just I can't
do that anymore. I gotta take care of the money maker, Okay, Mandy.
It's an endless proxy war. Maybe maybe, Mandy, the ways
Lensky interrupted Trump seem very planned. I think this Lensky
is controlled by our corruptcy.

Speaker 4 (01:15:55):
I hey, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Maybe, I mean, I mean, maybe you know at this point.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
What kind of whack of noodle stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
I just I finally learned to just be more cautious
about stuff where.

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
I'm like that couldn't owe.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Wait, it did happen.

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
Dang it, it did happen. Rats, Rats.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
This comment about our conversation about Representative Britney Petterson, Mandy,
in all seriousness, I'm tired of the left using our
values against us and then refusing to own up to
their own lack of respect for human life, especially when
it comes to abortion. In my opinion, missus Peterson is
trying to have her cake and eat it too. You
have a point, but that doesn't mean that we should

(01:16:38):
cast aside the family values of supporting families, supporting people
who have babies. Those two things should not be incompatible
just because the Democrats are trying to use it against us.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
My values are not affected or impacted at all by
what Democrats think of me, not at all. My principles
remain the same. So I you know, the thing is
is that we're allowing them to get ahead of us,
even though to your point, there's a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
Of hypocrisy there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
In any case, I want you guys to tell me
five six six nine, oh, as an American citizen, what
do you want to see us do here?

Speaker 16 (01:17:17):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
I realized that my audience leans right. So I'm guessing
a lot of you are going to agree with President
Donald Trump. But if you don't, if you want to
see us just continue to fund an endless war, nobody's.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
Going to say that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Nobody who's even supporting Ukraine is going to say, yes,
I want endless war, because that's absurd. If somebody had
said to us back when Colin Powell gave that speech
to the UN, about you know, a rock having weapons
of mass destruction and all that. If you had said
to the American people, because they pulled people in the
United States, should we go into a rock and make

(01:17:50):
sure that they don't have nuclear weapons? People like, heck, yeah,
let's do it. Rock and roll. Now if that question
been followed by do you want to fund a twenty
year war with no clear vicar?

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Maybe not, maybe not, But have we not learned? And
this is the part that gets me with Zelenski. Without
our help, there's a zero percent chance that Ukraine comes
out of it even where they are now.

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
Period.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Europe can't pull it together, you guys. Europe doesn't build weapons.
Europe doesn't have soldiers. I mean, they have soldiers, but they.

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
Don't have a lot. They don't have a lot of
army to spare.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Their average age of their soldier forty three years old.
Forty three that's insane. I mean, wait a minute, the
average agent Vietnam. Let me just see not this is
better average average age of Vietnam soldier okay, twenty two

(01:18:56):
to twenty three years old. The majority of combat infantrymen
falling between the eighteen and twenty one year old range.
Ukrainian soldiers are twice as old as that. How are
we supposed to think they're going to win? I just
don't see it happening. I really don't. A negotiated piece

(01:19:17):
is the best you can hope for. Security guarantees in
the form of American business investment in Ukraine is the
best you can hope for. I just think it's time
to we need to get over thinking it's going to
be more than that, because I just don't see it
happening with Russia. And again, you're not gonna beat Russia.
Russia's bigger, they have more people, they have more weapons,

(01:19:38):
they build all their own weapons. Ukraine relies on everybody else,
so it's a mess. Manny, Texters are coming in. Ukraine
is still just the size of Texas. Correct, I don't
know how big Ukraine is compared to Texas. I am
not sure all look that up on the break that's
coming up right here. I'm happy that Trump and Vents

(01:19:58):
stood up to Zelenski. Ukrainians should try for peace, Yes, Mandy,
has anyone ever asked the Ukrainian people what they want?

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:20:07):
Donald Trump sent out a press release.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
Hang on one second, I will find it right here
the White House. According to a November Gallop pole, fifty
two percent of Ukrainians want a quick end to the
war and believe Ukraine should be quote open to seating
some territory in exchange for peace. Fifty two pretends not
a lot, but it's a majority anyway. Today says this

(01:20:37):
texter was a mostly narcissistic, egotistical Trump getting back at
Zelensky for supporting Kamala. Believe that at your peril. This
goes into the whole thing of Trump is stupid. Trump's
He's just an ego, He's an idiot. Do that at
your peril, because first of all, it's kind of embarrassing
to think your team got beaten by that. I mean,

(01:20:58):
I would be embarrassed if I got beaten by someone
I think is really stupid. But secondarily, there's a lot
more going on today than just that. That may have
been a part of it, but certainly not the whole
shooting match. Okay, we'll be back. Tell me what you
want Americans to do with Ukraine. I got you five six,
six nine zero as the text line, We'll be right back.

(01:21:19):
We got the Freddie Jones band coming. I'm a super
super excited, big big hit from the nineties that I
wore out on cassette. That's how cool I was anyway,
asking people about their thoughts on the dust up on Ukraine.
This text actually is very interesting, I think because it
starts out this way. Hi, Mandy, this whole incident is
a symptom of progressive politics.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
Let me expand. First off, the rest.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Of the world has been looking at the United States
as weak and something because it was being guided by
a leaderless government. JD.

Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
Vance and Donald J.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Trump's behavior and tactics are merely an instrument to tell
the rest of the world the United States get no
longer be messed with. The second part of this is
Zelensky's behavior. Much like how progressive social media and parenting
has made our younger generations become more self centered and entitled,
so has the progressive treatment of the Ukraines of Ukraines

(01:22:15):
of Ukraines. I'm sorry there's some typos here. Zelensky acted
like a spoiled brat, rude and demanding it all but
stomping his feet and holding his breath until his parents
gave in. It appears that the Trump administration is doing
two things. Rewriting the roadmap of how the rest of
the world should be viewing and treating the United States well,
at the same time telling Zelensky that he has to
come up with a solution for peace or and then

(01:22:39):
it goes on from there.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
I can't read the rest. I don't know if I
go so far, but I will say this, and I
said it at the beginning of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Voldemir Zelensky has been adored since this war started. He
shows up in his green outfit. He went black outfit,
same army outfit, but he showed up in his You know,
he's got his green outfit out on everybody. He's like,
look at him. He's so amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
He's fighting the bigger aggressor.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
And it's true.

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
It's a really good story.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Except after a while, when everybody tells you you're great,
you're great, you're great, you're great, people start to believe it.
It's really hard not to believe it, because it's nice
when people tell you you're great, you're great, you're great,
you're great, right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:21):
I mean, everybody wants that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
I do think that he's been told he's great won
too many times, and it certainly appeared that way today
in the Oval Office, that he believed in his own
greatness and more importantly, did not believe in American greatness.
The comment that he made that keeps rolling around in
my head is that you don't feel it, but you will,

(01:23:42):
he said, but you will.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
Brett, there is uh doing an interview.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
They're just advertising on Fox six o'clock tonight with Zelensky.
So that's going to be a barn burner. So a
couple of you yes, sending this answer to your new question.
How about this Ukraine becomes a territory of the United
States rather than under the EU. It's a win for
the US. We get our money back in the value
of land transaction, and Zelenski gets the supporting needs. But

(01:24:10):
under the agreement that he steps down as president of Ukraine.
I bet Trump didn't think of that, or Bennett. That
would be a quick solution if Congress takes us up
for vote. I can think of nothing I like less
than that. I'm not in the interest of building an empire.
I'm not in the interest of taking territory that's right
on the border of one of our geopolitical foes. That

(01:24:30):
would be such such an aggressive move. Do you remember
the Cuban missile crisis when I don't know, the United
States of America was super salty when the USSR planted
missiles that could reach our coast on Cuba. If you
don't think that was a provocation, I mean, come on,
you guys, that would be a provocation well beyond anything

(01:24:54):
that I would be willing to accept. Now, the rare
earth mineral deal. Sign me up for that, because we
need rare earth minerals to continue to make advanced technology,
and they have a bunch of them.

Speaker 4 (01:25:06):
So if they want our help, then let's make a deal.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
But it doesn't seem like Zelensky is interested in making
a deal or interested in peace negotiations at this time.
I mean, wouldn't it be interesting if he turned into
the oh gosh, oh he just went out of my head,
who is to be the ruler of hamas Arafat that
turned down every peace deal that was offered, every single one,

(01:25:33):
he turned it down, every two state solution he turned
him down. Wouldn't be interesting if Zelensky turned.

Speaker 4 (01:25:37):
Into that guy, Mandy. I'm very sad for the people
of Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
The elites in the world are driving this war, so
I'm glad that Trump threw the hammer down. You know,
the elites of the world that have been very happy
to embrace every war they can because it creates a
tremendous amount of money for certain industries. They have to
be downright concerned because Donald Trump is not interested in war,
not at all, and that could be a big problem

(01:26:02):
going forward. Anyway, We're gonna shift gears entirely. I've got
I got musicians coming up next, which is on a Friday,
the perfect thing to do, so stick around. Fun stuff
coming up next after a day of wow, just wow,
quite the day today, and I'm happy to have something

(01:26:23):
totally unrelated to what we've been talking about to talk about.
Right now. I have two members of the Freddie Jones band,
neither of whom are named Freddie Jones, in the studio
with me right now, and let's start with well, let's
start right now. Who wants to tell me why you
have a band that's named after someone who isn't even
in the band.

Speaker 8 (01:26:40):
Well, the funny thing is is that we for years
were so embarrassed about the real story that we, oh,
it's not good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
Look, here's I apologize. But we told so many FIBs
over the over the years.

Speaker 8 (01:26:57):
The real story isn't really that exciting, but you know
it turned into the first Canadian to cross Lake Michigan
in an inner tube. Obviously was Freddie Jones. You know,
all right, skydivers, trumpet players, you name it. We came
up with Starky's flat tires fixed by you know, all
kinds of no.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Spontaneous combustion that's already run by the way, and we've
got uh, we've got Rich Ross in the studio as well,
from the Freddie Jones man. No, you know, I had
no idea, and I just told the guys a funny
story about a friend of mine getting fooled by a
guy named Freddie Jones.

Speaker 4 (01:27:32):
He had a driver's license and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
I'm sure he hit. His name probably was Freddie Jones.
I mean, there is a Freddie Jones.

Speaker 22 (01:27:38):
There was a guy that played at halftime on the
Dallas game and it was Freddie Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
And my phone's blowing up. Oh my god, I can't
believe you guys are on halftime.

Speaker 8 (01:27:47):
I was like, girl, No one told me, yeah, the
trumpet player Thanksgiving Day, Dallas Cowboys, Eddy Jones.

Speaker 4 (01:27:54):
How long have you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Been doing this? For years?

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
I wore out a cassette tape of yours, by the way, like.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Literally broke it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
I broke it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
It's not that hard to break a cassette, well, but
you know, you got to You got to play.

Speaker 4 (01:28:06):
It a lot to break that cassette tape.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
And I did have at the time a really bad
car with a really bad you know, I say sound system,
but that's generous, right. It was a really cheesy like
post install radio that had a cassette player in it,
and it ate every tape and it ate one of
your tapes, so I had to buy another one, So
you're welcome for that. It was hungry. It was hungry, okay.

Speaker 22 (01:28:28):
Marty started the band in the late eighties, and I mean,
now we're getting kids coming out to the shows, you
know that are that are coming out with their parents,
and the kids are singing the lyrics because they grew
up listening to it, you know, the last of the
few people that don't like rap.

Speaker 5 (01:28:43):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
Well, I think it's kind of interesting. I have a
fifteen year old daughter, and so she plays DJ Quicksman
where we're in my car, and it shocks me sometimes
when she puts on some of my music, right, and
it used to me too, Yes, And I'm like, where
did you hear that?

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
She goes, I don't know, the internet. So you guys
live on on the internet.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
All you do you need to get on somebody's show, though,
you know what I'm saying, Like that's the key. Stranger
Things brought a lot of music to a lot of
younger kids. Trust me, we try, we have tried. We're available. Yeah,
there you go.

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
There you So where did you start? How did you
start this band?

Speaker 8 (01:29:17):
Well? We I mean, first of all, there were a
few different configurations of high school bands together, and then
some of the some of those members from different bands
got together in college and it was in South Bend, Indiana,
and we just sort of ran into each other like, well,
looks like we're doing it here too.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
And there were some guys ahead of us at school.

Speaker 8 (01:29:39):
There they were were you Notre Dame? Well, I told
my parents I was going to transfer into there.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
I was your Notre Dame adjacent adjacent.

Speaker 8 (01:29:49):
I had previously been a you know, amazing scholar at
Xavier University in Cincinnati. Oh well it's a good school, yeah,
I left so well it was awesome though time there
for one year.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Yeah, I too, am a college dropout, but I did
four years of college that I then had to pay
for without the degree.

Speaker 4 (01:30:06):
So you did a better job than I did by
just calling it today.

Speaker 8 (01:30:09):
So there were these guys in South Bend Notre Dame students.
They were called the Pat Giblin Band, Oh of course,
And the guy Pat Giblin was not in the band.
He was just a buddy of theres and they practiced
in his basement. He was like a soccer player or something,
and for Notre Dame. And I just I thought that
was the funniest damn thing. And they left, and I'm like, well,
it looks like it's us now, let's just take it

(01:30:31):
a step further and maybe we could come up with
somebody and everybody will wonder because this guy was like
big man on campus, right, I thought, oh god, what
did you like to be Pat Giblin? Like, we got
to come up with a new Pat Giblin. But let's
let's let's fool them, you know. So someone said Freddy
and someone said Jones, and I'm like, Freddy Jones band.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
There it is. That is That's almost as ridiculous as
the Leonard Scared story, which is also ridiculous as well.

Speaker 4 (01:30:56):
But I kind of like it because it adds to
them the mystery.

Speaker 8 (01:31:00):
It's the real story when you heard it live here.
So if you hear another you know, crazy, crazy ass
story from us, or you meet a.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Guy who says he's Freddy Jones from the Freddie Jones Band,
he's lying, don't go home, Y, don't don't do that.

Speaker 22 (01:31:12):
I can tell you many times we'll walk into a
venue and the sound guy or whoever's at the venue
will look at Marty.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
And be like, hey, hey, just Freddie need anything I'm
looking around? Yes he does. Yeah, you guys, you know
what are you trade off? Who gets to be Freddie?
Like rich one day you can be Freddy, then Marty
you can be Freddy. Just roll it through the band.
Maybe we'll just pass the hat around. Yeah, I actually
love that story. How did you guys get your break?
When did that happen? You had a couple of really
big hits in the nineties to my you know cassette tape.

Speaker 4 (01:31:44):
Joy?

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Yeah, how did that happen? How do you go from
South Bend, Indiana to not happening? Well? I decided, you
know this, this isn't for me.

Speaker 8 (01:31:52):
I'm going to Chicago, and then some followed with me,
and then we found different guys in Chicago and became
the Freddie Owns Band in Chicago, and then we were
we started writing songs right away. Daydream had been written
right around that time, and we played a show opening
up at the Park West for widespread Panic.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
Oh gosh, we got all the hippies following.

Speaker 8 (01:32:17):
Around, so it's a bunch of twirlers, you know, and
having having a good time around the around the dance
floor in the front of the stage.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
And there was a dude sitting on the floor with
his legs crossed, like what is this?

Speaker 8 (01:32:29):
And he comes up to us afterwards and he's like,
I'm from Capricorn Records in Nashville and they sent me
here because they want to meet you guys, and they
want you to come down for a meeting.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
And we did. We went down and.

Speaker 8 (01:32:42):
Played the Exit in played a showcase and Phil Walden
was there and he introduces me to Justin knee Bank,
the record producer, and he's like, this is who we
think you guys should work.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
With to produce the record and what does that? It
all happened in like forty five minutes, but here's the thing,
Like how, I mean, how does that I hit you
when you all of a sudden are meeting people who
have obviously had conversations about you. I mean, were you like,
how do you even know who we are? Yeah, they
took notice.

Speaker 8 (01:33:08):
We already had our own CD right back when there
were CDs, and we were just traveling around to like
big ten schools, selling the trunk in the car.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
Just in Midwest.

Speaker 8 (01:33:17):
We didn't feel like we'd work on the coast, just
the bus as far as we could go. We're all
driving our own cars probably at the time, and they
just took notice. You know, They're like, yes, some little that's.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
A cool story. Which when did you join the party?

Speaker 22 (01:33:30):
So I played in the samples in the nineties, okay,
and you know I got in that band in ninety
nine and Sean and those guys who are from Denver.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
It was a shock for me.

Speaker 22 (01:33:44):
I was really young, and that's when I met were young,
so you know it probably twenty five, never never been
on tour.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
Yeah, well I guess that probably was kind of just overwhelming. Yeah, situation, you.

Speaker 22 (01:33:54):
Go out, you're on a bus and then and then
that's how I met Marty. I met Marty at a
show and then you know, I continued playing with the
samples over the years. I mean I still play with
them now and then, you know, and then just go
in and fill in. But you know, when Marty and
I Marty, this band went away for a while, and
then and then when the band came back, Marty and

(01:34:16):
I got together, and then that's kind of when we
got everything.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
It's been ten years now, we've.

Speaker 22 (01:34:20):
Been really out hitting it and you know, we recorded
new music, playing all over the country and it's it's
been quite an experience.

Speaker 5 (01:34:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Well, tomorrow night, you guys are playing at the Wild
Goose Saloon and Parker. It's a great little venue. It's
like super cool. It is a very cool place to
just be. First of all, I haven't seen a show
there yet. Yeah. So because I'm you know, I'm a
woman of a certain age, I like to be in
bed by nine thirty.

Speaker 4 (01:34:45):
So if you guys could do like a two pm.

Speaker 22 (01:34:47):
Yeah, Honestly, we told our agent, Hey, we're cool with
playing alone, and we're also cool with starting at eight
and being done at nine thirty. But tomorrow is a
special night because Rick Lewis has been a friend of
mine Friday time.

Speaker 4 (01:35:01):
I adore that man.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
He's here somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
I just saw him walking around somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
I love Rick and the Rick Lewis Project is opening
for you guys tomorrow, so it's gonna be a lot
of fun. When you started this, or did you even
think like this when you were young, because you know
we're all invincible when we're young. Did you think to yourself, like,
I hope I'm doing this in thirty years or was
it one of those things where you thought, we'll do
this as long as we.

Speaker 12 (01:35:20):
Can t.

Speaker 8 (01:35:22):
Like, oh man, rick Lewis, I hope I'm still around
in ten years doing this playing music.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
And you probably thought when I'm old in ten years
that perspective changes so much. Yeah, exactly. So now that
you guys are still how has your music changed? Because
in the nineties, the big hit that you had and
it's not just called daydream, what is it called? I
know what it's called in a day dream? Thank you.
I'm like, I know the song. Yeah song.

Speaker 8 (01:35:47):
By the way, people they call it the wrong I
mean all the time people come up to me like, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Man, I love that song Living in Tuesday Morning, So
it's a lie living in a dream, Yeah, Tuesday morning
or like no wonder.

Speaker 22 (01:36:04):
I mean that that song, you know, it was thirty
years ago pretty much, and it's that song single handedly
put the band on the map.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
That was the song that didn't.

Speaker 22 (01:36:12):
We actually re recorded it a couple of years ago, oh,
for the thirtieth year anniversary, and we have a thirtieth
anniversary edition streaming everywhere on our website, Freddie Jonesband dot Net.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
Of that song, did you guys where I play it
now in the summer? Was that a summer song?

Speaker 12 (01:36:28):
It was?

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
You know, because I got to tell you I listened
to it this morning because I haven't heard it in
a long time, and it just took me back to
this like one summer, and I remember all the things
I did with my friends in that summer, and I
remember going to the beach and hanging out and all
the stuff that we used to do. And it was like,
I really appreciated that moment for myself, and I think
a lot of people kind of probably have those moments

(01:36:49):
where it takes them back to when they were young
and beautiful and enthusiastic about life.

Speaker 8 (01:36:54):
Yeah, you know, I can't remember what time of year
it was when that came out. That was actually the
second single off that record. They weren't even sure what
to put out next after Take the Time that was
the first single, and I remember kind of sitting back thinking,
they're not going to.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
Miss the boat on this. They're not going to like
that's so obvious that that should be, and they did.

Speaker 8 (01:37:13):
They got it right, So I'm thinking maybe it was
probably going into that next summer.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
I remember it being a summer song.

Speaker 4 (01:37:22):
I remember it being a part of my summer.

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
I used to work with a classic not a classic rock,
but an oldies program director, and he programmed his oldies
station based on what was hitting at that moment. So
if it was a winter hit, he would play it
in the winter, and if it was a summer hit,
he would play it on the summer. And I asked him,
I was like, I don't understand why you're going to
all these great links. He goes, because this music takes
people back, and if you played in the right season,

(01:37:46):
it takes them back to the season where that song
was a hit. I thought it was kind of genius,
but it definitely is true. Rick Lewis has joined us
in the studio.

Speaker 4 (01:37:53):
Everybody chair, Yeah, you put me in the kids chair,
Lensky chair.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
That's what I'm gonna come from now after today's dumpster
fire in the White House.

Speaker 4 (01:38:04):
So yeah, that's that's the Volensky chair.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
Well, it's gonna be a fun night tomorrow night.

Speaker 23 (01:38:09):
Rich Ross and I go way back.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
Yeah. In fact, he used to play in my band.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
Oh yeah, your samples, but you didn't mention my band.

Speaker 3 (01:38:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:38:18):
And then Marty, we opened for Freddie Jones' band the
first show at the Pepsi Center back in nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Oh yeah, you guys were a big time then. So
we never met, but I'm gonna interest we're big time.

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
Rock is big time now.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Too, No big time.

Speaker 23 (01:38:38):
You had a couple of big hits which you guys
talked about, and hey, this this is a great band.
You guys still sound incredible. Rich sends me your stuff
all the time. And it's going to be a really
good night tomorrow night.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
It is going to be a good night. Yeah, I'm excited.

Speaker 22 (01:38:54):
And it's your birthday and it's my birthday birthday act today,
but we're saying, Marty, birthdays.

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
Are going to be cake because I'm coming to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
If there's gonna be cake.

Speaker 4 (01:39:03):
I want to save room.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
Yeah, you guys, everybody can come backstage and we have cake.

Speaker 4 (01:39:07):
Yeah what kind of cake are you having?

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
And I'm gonna be on here about the cake. I
want to make sure, don't know, I don't know what.

Speaker 22 (01:39:12):
I'm sure Marty's running to King Sooper's right after this,
if they're not still on strike or wherever.

Speaker 4 (01:39:17):
Let's go have she It's always a better cake.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
Yeah, she just letting you have she can. I'm sure
he's got something huge plans for me.

Speaker 5 (01:39:23):
You know me very well.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
Can I ask you guys just a general question about
the music industry, because your story about a guy coming
and sitting there and watching you and then you get signed.
We are now in a period of time when the
Internet has democratized so much stuff, especially with music. My
daughter listens to artists and I go, who is that.
She's like, oh, it's so and so. I've never heard
of them in my life. I go, well, where did
you find? I'm just on the internet. And then some

(01:39:45):
of those kids have gone on to be signed and
now have huge careers, and I'm like, that's a lot
different than it was when you guys started out. This
band is one hundred percent independent.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
We do everything.

Speaker 22 (01:39:56):
We finance everything on our own. We you know, set
our own schedules. We I mean, that's how we're doing
it now. It's great because you know, the band's legacy
has got us to a position where you know, we're
friends with everyone in the industry. You know, we were
out with Train recently, Pats a friend of ours, Rob

(01:40:17):
Thomas from Matchbox twenty, all these guys, they talk about
taking us out on tour.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
It hasn't happened yet, but it's something that we're hoping for.
Right But we're doing this independent.

Speaker 22 (01:40:27):
Guys have jobs on the side and and you know,
do the band and and we just kind of schedule it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
Around what we want to do.

Speaker 22 (01:40:34):
You know, We've got some really cool stuff coming up
this summer, play all over the country, and you know,
we'd like to do more, but the economy definitely is
limiting live music.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
Yeah, it's hard. I mean here we're in the kind
of like the mecca of live music in Colorado, I
think because we have so many options and so many
incredible venues. But I talk to people around the country
it's like they're not going to shows. And granted, I'm
old now, so they're not going to shows. But we
are very lucky here in Colorado to have the scene
that we have.

Speaker 23 (01:41:03):
You know what, it is hard to make money. Excuse
me for jumping in in the in the record business story.
I've got a couple of guys in my band that
are recording artists as well. And you know they got
a million or two downloads from Spotify, they get like
a hundred bucks. Yeah, you know, it's it's pretty difficult
unless you're a Taylor Swift or you know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
See million on merch alone at or stopping Denver. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
don't you think that's my concert? Tickets are so expensive
right now?

Speaker 4 (01:41:31):
These are very affordable.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
They're twenty five bucks at the all the VIP stuff
is sold out, but there's there're twenty five bucks to
go see the band tomorrow night.

Speaker 4 (01:41:37):
And it's going to be a blast. It's going to
be a lot of fun. I'm going to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
Does anybody need to know anything else?

Speaker 22 (01:41:43):
Come on, we have a lot of friends. I grew
up in Colorado and we have a lot of friends
coming tomorrow. Hopefully Sean Kelly may even show up. He
mentioned he might come out and you know. We that's
the best part about traveling around.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
I mean, Marty and I. We've done the anthem at
the Cubs. You have first page. We've done cool.

Speaker 22 (01:41:59):
You know, we go out and do all the we
love sports. Marty and I are the sports guys in
the band. We're watching football and the fall and baseball
and going to games on on days that we have off,
and and we we get to do these pretty cool
experiences that are a lot of fun for us. And
obviously growing up in Denver Broncos fan.

Speaker 4 (01:42:17):
Again right now, it's gotten fun. This last seasons changed.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
I was a little excited about that next season.

Speaker 4 (01:42:23):
Yes, very much, so very much.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
You don't rich me up for tickets all the time.

Speaker 22 (01:42:27):
I don't just hit him up for tickets. I hit
them up for tickets to come to practice, you know, with.

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
The coach and I was in the locker room.

Speaker 22 (01:42:36):
I don't know how long ago was that during during
camp here, you know, I had I had a blast,
And coach says he loves the band.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
I don't know if that's that's true. You know what,
just lean into it. Don't as follow up questions. Just
go with the first response. Okay, it's fine, as long
as he doesn't say yeah that Freddie wants he's a
great guy. Yeah right, went over that. Okay, guys, it's
time to wrap up the show. And every day at
the end of the show, I play this stupid game.
You want to play the stupid game with me? Nobody
will you want to play? But I'm out stop, I

(01:43:04):
have nothing to do right now.

Speaker 4 (01:43:08):
No headphones, he's got.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
It goes like this, first of all, but do me
a favorite rick before you leave. When I get to
the end of my think you yell in the world
really loud. Okay, ready to go.

Speaker 4 (01:43:17):
I now it's time for the most.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
Exciting segment on the radio of It's Gone.

Speaker 15 (01:43:25):
Of the day.

Speaker 14 (01:43:26):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
It works like this, guys, it's a dumb game.

Speaker 4 (01:43:29):
Remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
First of all, we do Dad joke of the day.
You can laugh, you can grow, and you can sit
in quiet judgment of the joke. It's entirely up to you.
A rod, what's our dad joke of the day? Dad
joke of the day?

Speaker 15 (01:43:39):
Little known fact before the crow bar was invented, crows
simply drank at home.

Speaker 4 (01:43:45):
Yeah, there you go. That is a dad joke for you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
And then we do word of the day where we
guess what this word means and we get it wrong
most of the time.

Speaker 15 (01:43:53):
It is a verb verb propitiate, p R O, p I,
T I A t E, propitiate, good luck, propitiate herb.
Could I blurt it out? Yeah, go ahead, Yes, to
lose your hair, Oh, I love that you might propitiate
with losing your hair.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
To complain or be upset or to complain, No, you
got to shot, coun to contemplate.

Speaker 15 (01:44:19):
To think that's a good play, cave or make peace
with Ah, we're all wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
That was my next guest. Public schools. Yeah, there you go.
What US Museum created the National Toy Hall of Fame
in nineteen ninety eight. I think it's a Smithsonian. I
feel like they were involved in that. Oh, I'm totally wrong.
If you don't know it, you're not going to give it.
Definitely the Denver Museum. No, No, it would be the

(01:44:44):
Strong National Museum of Play in Rochester, New York.

Speaker 4 (01:44:47):
I bet you were, Marty, I bet you were yep,
right on the tip of his tongue.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
No, nothing, everybody knows that. To play Jeopardy right, sure
here instead of buzzing because we don't want buzzers. You
shout out your name, Marty or Rich okay, and then
we call on you, and then you answer the question
in the form of a question. I will wait until
the end of the question because your guests and I'm
trying to be nice. Normally it's a blood sport. You
can jump in at any time, okay, so jump in

(01:45:12):
whatever you know the answer?

Speaker 3 (01:45:13):
Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:45:13):
What's our category?

Speaker 15 (01:45:14):
Peaceful words? Peaceful words words? Okay, still or nearly still?
Keep this and carry on.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
Mandy, what is calm? Correct?

Speaker 4 (01:45:25):
You guys gotta jump in?

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
See about halfway.

Speaker 15 (01:45:29):
Between extremes or one who communicates with spirits?

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
Mandy? What is a medium that is correct?

Speaker 4 (01:45:36):
It's okay, everybody loses this part.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
It's music. Pian means very this.

Speaker 4 (01:45:44):
You're a musicians channelmen, pianissimo.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
Do you know this?

Speaker 2 (01:45:47):
I don't know it. I'm not a musician. I don't
know that word. I know, I've never heard of it.
I don't even know what you guess is softly? Okay? Softly?
This wasn't in the re fa.

Speaker 15 (01:46:01):
Proverbially you do this to your heels when you're kept waiting, Rich,
what is clicking wrong?

Speaker 18 (01:46:08):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
Wait, damn it?

Speaker 4 (01:46:10):
What do you do, Mandy?

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
What do you tap?

Speaker 5 (01:46:12):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (01:46:13):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
What is cool?

Speaker 12 (01:46:16):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
That's cool?

Speaker 15 (01:46:19):
And finally, often used when describing plain food, this five
letter word means not highly flavored, maybe even tasteless.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
Rich what is planned? That is correct?

Speaker 3 (01:46:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:46:30):
Are no rich?

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
Richmith's one right there? So that was a fine showing
though you're on the board rich at zero. Guys, I
appreciate that. I told you it was a dumb game.
Don't feel that nobody ever wins. That gets us thinking,
That gets us thinking. I've been playing that game for
twenty five years doing this show. Twenty years doing this show.
So you always win? No, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:46:48):
Actually you would.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
Think you would think that I would always win, but
I don't. Sometimes the longer the more you play, the
better at it you'll get, and then people start to
beat me. So I only let people play once.

Speaker 4 (01:46:57):
Anyway, We will be back on Monday, Heday.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
I hope you guys can make it to the Wild
Goose Saloon. Get your tickets on I put a link
on the blog and Freddie jonesband dot net. You can
go on there. All the information's on there as well. Excellent.
We will be back on Monday.

Speaker 4 (01:47:10):
Keep it right here. Koa Sports coming up next.