May 30, 2025 • 15 mins
WHEN RUNNING LIKE A GIRL IS A GOOD THING Meet Natalie Daniels. She Ran Boston in 2:50:04. Then Got Cancelled. Natalie Daniels, a 5x marathon winner and new mom, trained hard to run the Boston Marathon just six months postpartum. Before the race, she spoke out with XX-XY Athletics about fairness in women’s sports — and faced backlash. Her teammates leaked her location, and her club told her not to wear their singlet. She ran anyway, in XX-XY gear, finishing in 2:50:04. After the race, she was kicked out for standing up for real women. Now she's starting a running club for women with the help of XX-XY. Find out more here, and Natalie joins me at 2:30 today to discuss it. Join the team running club here!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Natalie is a woman. And I said this earlier. Natalie,
not only am I I admire you for running the
Boston Marathon, but you ran it three months postpartum. And
I said, very honestly, I couldn't even fit into my
normal genes six months postpone m. So I can't even
imagine what that is.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
So I was, I was six months postpartum, but I did.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I did do one other marathon this spring when I
was four months, which is pretty nuts.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I runners, like you are touched, right, like those of
us who are not runners, were like, I can't even
imagine why you'd want to do that. Let's start at
the beginning, though. You tell me a little bit about
your running history and your running career, because you're not
just an average, you know, run of the mill runner,
You're you're a competitive marathon runner.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yeah. So, and it's actually funny that you that you
say that. So when I started running when I was
in high school. So I joined my high school cross
country team after I quit the tennis team because my
tendency team was too competitive and I just like was
not very good and I needed to take one more
season of a sport in order to not have to
(01:07):
take gym.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Class, so I was really bad. I dropped out of
more races than I finished when I was in high school.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
But somewhere kind of between my senior ye of high
school and my freshman year of college, I just kind
of fell in love with running and with training for
things and racing. So I ran collegiately for my D
three school, Cavin College in Michigan, and I still wasn't
very good compared to the other girls on the team,
(01:40):
but I just I really enjoyed it. And so since
I've graduated, I went to grad school and I just
kind of kept up this you know, interest in not
just running but competing. And I've now done eighteen marathons.
The first one I did was when I was nineteen,
when I was in college, and.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I've won five of them.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
But I really do, I think have the unique perspective of,
you know, being somebody who is competitive and wants to
do my best, you know, time wise and performance place wise.
But I've been in a place where I have not
been at the top of the field. So yeah, it's
it's been a journey.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I bet, I bet, and I can't even, like I said,
running a race four months six months. But forget about it.
I mean, that's not gonna happen. I want to talk
about what happened though, when you were about to run
the Boston Marathon and you've been with a running club
for many, many years. Tell me about running club. Tell
me about the lead up to the Boston Marathon and
what happened after.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
So I had been with this particular club in Northern
Virginia for a little over a year when I was
gearing up for Boston, and I had been very vocal
with that club that you know, my interest and passion
was in building you know, a women's competitive team.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
So encouraging women.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
You know, we had a very strong number of Masters women,
which is women over forty, you know, at all kind
of stages in our running career.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So we had women who were.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Sort of fresh out of college, out of competing with
their college teams, to you know, women who had picked
up the sport later on. But we're having success with
it all the way up to you know, women in
their forties. I don't know if we had anybody in
their fifties, but the idea being, you know, were a
club for all women to continue this competitive.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know, competitive running.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
So going into Boston, I had actually registered when I
was eight months pregnant, and it was I had a
not very enjoyable pregnancy. I just had a lot of
like really bad the pain. So it's hard to be active.
I'm somebody who's obviously used to being very active. So
(04:05):
when I registered for Boston, you know, in my mind,
I was thinking, I just want this to be kind
of a celebration of you know, my body, of this
body that carried me through pregnancy and then you know,
delivered my son, and you know, now can do this,
git back to doing this thing that I love, even
if I'm not, you know, as fast as I.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Want to be.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
So I was on Twitter, I think it was maybe
like December or January, and I saw Jennifer say post
something about, you know, the BAA's policy that they were
choosing to allow biological males to.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Run in the women's category.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
At Boston, and it was just kind of this like
like frustration. You know, it just felt like a little
insulting in a way of just like, you know, I
signed up for this race to celebrate you know what
to me was this like great act of being a female,
of being a woman, and this policy is saying like, yeah,
(05:04):
well you don't really matter that much, and all of
the success that you want to have is is sort
of secondary to this like quote unquote inclusivity policy that
we want to have.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Ye, so I wish isn't it true that the marathon
had already did already had a non binary category, right?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, And there's some debate, I guess, around how that
that category functions, but it's clear that it's not, uh,
it doesn't. You know a lot of these people who
are you know, view themselves as as female. They they
(05:44):
would they don't want to participate in that, they want
to participate in the women's race. So yeah, so I
agree to I've met with Jen a few times and
you know, we talked about what some kind of statement
or whatever would look like. And you know, this was
something that had kind of been weighing on me for
a long time. You know, I had just seen so
(06:07):
many examples of like teenage girls, you know, having to
take a stand and having to deal with this, you know,
in their schools, and I just kept thinking like, well,
where are the adults in these situations?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Like why are any adults saying anything?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
And so I think I even said in one of
the first interviews, you know, this just seems like the
time for me to finally take like a public stand
on this. Now, it was definitely more widely viewed than
I expected. When there's an individual, Nicky Hilts picked it
up and made a fairly condescending video of it that
(06:45):
basically said, you know, running a marathon is all about
having fun and making friends, and you know, why does
it matter you're at the You're not winning the race,
so your result doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
To be clear, nick and Nicki Hilts considers herself trans
and non binary, correct, but she still runs, yeah, women's.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
But competes in women's running. It is a biological female.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Okay, so I mean, but obviously as a trans non
binary person, Nicki Hilts could choose to run in a
non binary category or run in the merry category, right,
and yet that's not happening.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, And so Niki is also not a marathoner. She
runs the fifteen hundred, okay, so very different, very different races.
So there's Yeah, so it sort of exploded from there
and people started and I expected there to be you know,
(07:45):
some pushback and some people who were you know upset
with what I said, but I did not expect I
got a lot of you know, I had some people
who were trying to like find me in Boston, were
like stalking my Strawbo, the running GPS tracking app, you know,
trying to figure out where I was. You know, a
(08:06):
couple of people said things about, you know, we're going
to look for you on the course, and so it
was it was frightening. I mean, it was a it
was somewhat bewildering in some ways. You know, I felt
like I hadn't said anything that was you know, definitely
not trying to attack anyone and to build individual but
to say that this policy felt very unfair, right, and yeah,
(08:29):
so it sort of exploded from there.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
And then after the race, your running club, what did
they want you to do here?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, so they had given me sort of this list of.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Things that I needed to do in order to basically
be you know, at first it was a year long
suspension and you know, I would still have to do
all of these things, and the things were it was
like on my personal social media state that you know,
my views don't reflect those of the running club, which like, okay, yeah,
(09:04):
I actual that the second one was, you know, make
this apology saying that you know, what I said was
hurtful and I apologize for hurting people. And I was like, well,
you know, I will apologize that people were hurt, but
I don't feel like I was saying anything you specifically
hurtful towards any one person, right, And it was really
(09:24):
meant to be this critique of the policies. But then
the third thing was that I needed to again make
this public statement on my personal social media that said,
you know, I now recognize kind of the error.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Of my ways that you know, with a.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Certain amount of you know, hormones and surgery, you know,
a man can actually become a woman. And I just
remember like sitting and just like I pause for a
second and I said like, no, I'm not going to
do that, Like I can't.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I cannot do that in faith.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Like that goes and how remarkable this is. They're trying
to make you say something that you don't believe so
they will allow you to stay.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
That's that Yeah, so crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
And I even said too, I was like, you know,
this goes really directly against like my Christian beliefs, and
like I this isn't just like a you know, this
is something that like I could point to the evidence
of the things that I believe in, and so it
was sort of, you know, it felt at the moment,
you know, I realized that they were trying to do
(10:29):
some damage control, which.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Is within their right to do. But then yeah, it
just in hindsight, I'm like, wow, that was a very
you know, somewhat.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Disturbing thing to be asked to to capitulate on this,
you know, fairly fundamental thing that you know, I'd never
been quiet about.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I'd always been very.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
You know, proud and excited to build and support women
and women's running.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
And that's let's I don't want to make sure we
get it all in before we run out of time here.
So that is kind of where your new running group
came into play with Jennifer Say who's been on the
show as well, and XX Yes it's xxx Y Athletics,
her company that specializes in making great athletic wear, but
it also supports girls and girls sports and is working
(11:20):
to sort of change things. Now, tell me about the
running club you guys have made.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, so this.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Is actually I think Jen pointed out when I said,
you know, I got the email that I was getting
formally kicked out of the club. He's like, well, let's start,
Let's start our own club, And I mean it is
it's already. You know, we've only been live for a
little under two weeks and we've already got just such.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
A vibrant, great community that's building.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
So it's mostly online with some in real life meetups
and stuff that we're going to get started once we've
got some kind of you know, little regional cohorts grown.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
You know, we share training stuff, we do virtual activities.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
So on Monday, we a bunch of us did a
murph and then posted our results in the chat.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
So it's a way for us all to kind of
encourage each other to do.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Something that's maybe not necessarily within a bunch of runners
wheel house.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
To do two hundred push ups. We did it.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
This is not the right person to articles and to
talk and to just kind of you know, network and
support other women across the country, you know, with this
similar value of you know, we're all women at all
different stages in our running careers who just wants to
continue to get better and support each other.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Are you following along with what's happening in California right
now with their track and field situation because they're trying
to change some stuff and it's I got to tell you,
I don't think you can do it in the middle
of a season. I think it would be very right
to sort of And what we're talking about is the
California High School Association is now considering allowing like if
a if a transwoman medals, they will essentially give the
(13:03):
medal also to a biological girl who ran in that race,
and they're trying to split the baby, right.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, and this is the it's unfortunate and I'm so yeah.
I follow these stories very closely when they crop up,
and this is one that you know, it's it's frustrating
because there are no real winners here.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
You know, everybody is going to have.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
To experience some sort of loss, and it's it didn't
need to be this way, you know. I think they're
recognizing that the tide is turning on this and people
are starting to be more vocal about the fact that
it is simply, like demonstrably unfair to these you know,
teenage girls who work for months to be competitive in
(13:48):
their chosen discipline, you know, and then just lose out on,
you know, opportunities attention that they would beginning from scouts
and from colleges and potential scholarship opportunities, and so it's
this like vast ripple effect that now it feels like
they're really scrambling to try to rectify it. But it's
(14:09):
you know, at some point, it's maybe a little it's
too late in the season.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
So I'm hopeful that maybe this is you in the.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Future, something better can come from this moment in history.
But you know, it's heartbreaking for those girls who are
dealing with it right now.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Natalie Daniels, you are I would see an inspiration, but
that would imply that I too, I'm going to start
running marathons, and that is simply not a thing that's
going to happen.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
But I admire No.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Trust me, I know that is not a thing that
I already said. I'm not going to be one of
those midlife prices people who goes and starts winning. It's
just not my jam. But I admire you for everything
you've done, and I admire you for continuing to talk
about this and starting this new running club, and I
know it's going to be successful. And I put a
link on the blog today so people can join the
club if they'd like to, All you crazy runners out there,
(15:00):
and join a group of like minded people who are
just trying to make sure that women can compete against
women fairly in these sports. Natalie, thank you so much
for your time today.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, thank you as well.
Natalie is a woman. And I said this earlier. Natalie,
not only am I I admire you for running the
Boston Marathon, but you ran it three months postpartum. And
I said, very honestly, I couldn't even fit into my
normal genes six months postpone m. So I can't even
imagine what that is.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
So I was, I was six months postpartum, but I did.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I did do one other marathon this spring when I
was four months, which is pretty nuts.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I runners, like you are touched, right, like those of
us who are not runners, were like, I can't even
imagine why you'd want to do that. Let's start at
the beginning, though. You tell me a little bit about
your running history and your running career, because you're not
just an average, you know, run of the mill runner,
You're you're a competitive marathon runner.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yeah. So, and it's actually funny that you that you
say that. So when I started running when I was
in high school. So I joined my high school cross
country team after I quit the tennis team because my
tendency team was too competitive and I just like was
not very good and I needed to take one more
season of a sport in order to not have to
(01:07):
take gym.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Class, so I was really bad. I dropped out of
more races than I finished when I was in high school.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
But somewhere kind of between my senior ye of high
school and my freshman year of college, I just kind
of fell in love with running and with training for
things and racing. So I ran collegiately for my D
three school, Cavin College in Michigan, and I still wasn't
very good compared to the other girls on the team,
(01:40):
but I just I really enjoyed it. And so since
I've graduated, I went to grad school and I just
kind of kept up this you know, interest in not
just running but competing. And I've now done eighteen marathons.
The first one I did was when I was nineteen,
when I was in college, and.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I've won five of them.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
But I really do, I think have the unique perspective of,
you know, being somebody who is competitive and wants to
do my best, you know, time wise and performance place wise.
But I've been in a place where I have not
been at the top of the field. So yeah, it's
it's been a journey.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I bet, I bet, and I can't even, like I said,
running a race four months six months. But forget about it.
I mean, that's not gonna happen. I want to talk
about what happened though, when you were about to run
the Boston Marathon and you've been with a running club
for many, many years. Tell me about running club. Tell
me about the lead up to the Boston Marathon and
what happened after.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
So I had been with this particular club in Northern
Virginia for a little over a year when I was
gearing up for Boston, and I had been very vocal
with that club that you know, my interest and passion
was in building you know, a women's competitive team.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
So encouraging women.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
You know, we had a very strong number of Masters women,
which is women over forty, you know, at all kind
of stages in our running career.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So we had women who were.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Sort of fresh out of college, out of competing with
their college teams, to you know, women who had picked
up the sport later on. But we're having success with
it all the way up to you know, women in
their forties. I don't know if we had anybody in
their fifties, but the idea being, you know, were a
club for all women to continue this competitive.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know, competitive running.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
So going into Boston, I had actually registered when I
was eight months pregnant, and it was I had a
not very enjoyable pregnancy. I just had a lot of
like really bad the pain. So it's hard to be active.
I'm somebody who's obviously used to being very active. So
(04:05):
when I registered for Boston, you know, in my mind,
I was thinking, I just want this to be kind
of a celebration of you know, my body, of this
body that carried me through pregnancy and then you know,
delivered my son, and you know, now can do this,
git back to doing this thing that I love, even
if I'm not, you know, as fast as I.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Want to be.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
So I was on Twitter, I think it was maybe
like December or January, and I saw Jennifer say post
something about, you know, the BAA's policy that they were
choosing to allow biological males to.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Run in the women's category.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
At Boston, and it was just kind of this like
like frustration. You know, it just felt like a little
insulting in a way of just like, you know, I
signed up for this race to celebrate you know what
to me was this like great act of being a female,
of being a woman, and this policy is saying like, yeah,
(05:04):
well you don't really matter that much, and all of
the success that you want to have is is sort
of secondary to this like quote unquote inclusivity policy that
we want to have.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Ye, so I wish isn't it true that the marathon
had already did already had a non binary category, right?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, And there's some debate, I guess, around how that
that category functions, but it's clear that it's not, uh,
it doesn't. You know a lot of these people who
are you know, view themselves as as female. They they
(05:44):
would they don't want to participate in that, they want
to participate in the women's race. So yeah, so I
agree to I've met with Jen a few times and
you know, we talked about what some kind of statement
or whatever would look like. And you know, this was
something that had kind of been weighing on me for
a long time. You know, I had just seen so
(06:07):
many examples of like teenage girls, you know, having to
take a stand and having to deal with this, you know,
in their schools, and I just kept thinking like, well,
where are the adults in these situations?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Like why are any adults saying anything?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
And so I think I even said in one of
the first interviews, you know, this just seems like the
time for me to finally take like a public stand
on this. Now, it was definitely more widely viewed than
I expected. When there's an individual, Nicky Hilts picked it
up and made a fairly condescending video of it that
(06:45):
basically said, you know, running a marathon is all about
having fun and making friends, and you know, why does
it matter you're at the You're not winning the race,
so your result doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
To be clear, nick and Nicki Hilts considers herself trans
and non binary, correct, but she still runs, yeah, women's.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
But competes in women's running. It is a biological female.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Okay, so I mean, but obviously as a trans non
binary person, Nicki Hilts could choose to run in a
non binary category or run in the merry category, right,
and yet that's not happening.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, And so Niki is also not a marathoner. She
runs the fifteen hundred, okay, so very different, very different races.
So there's Yeah, so it sort of exploded from there
and people started and I expected there to be you know,
(07:45):
some pushback and some people who were you know upset
with what I said, but I did not expect I
got a lot of you know, I had some people
who were trying to like find me in Boston, were
like stalking my Strawbo, the running GPS tracking app, you know,
trying to figure out where I was. You know, a
(08:06):
couple of people said things about, you know, we're going
to look for you on the course, and so it
was it was frightening. I mean, it was a it
was somewhat bewildering in some ways. You know, I felt
like I hadn't said anything that was you know, definitely
not trying to attack anyone and to build individual but
to say that this policy felt very unfair, right, and yeah,
(08:29):
so it sort of exploded from there.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
And then after the race, your running club, what did
they want you to do here?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, so they had given me sort of this list of.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Things that I needed to do in order to basically
be you know, at first it was a year long
suspension and you know, I would still have to do
all of these things, and the things were it was
like on my personal social media state that you know,
my views don't reflect those of the running club, which like, okay, yeah,
(09:04):
I actual that the second one was, you know, make
this apology saying that you know, what I said was
hurtful and I apologize for hurting people. And I was like, well,
you know, I will apologize that people were hurt, but
I don't feel like I was saying anything you specifically
hurtful towards any one person, right, And it was really
(09:24):
meant to be this critique of the policies. But then
the third thing was that I needed to again make
this public statement on my personal social media that said,
you know, I now recognize kind of the error.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Of my ways that you know, with a.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Certain amount of you know, hormones and surgery, you know,
a man can actually become a woman. And I just
remember like sitting and just like I pause for a
second and I said like, no, I'm not going to
do that, Like I can't.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I cannot do that in faith.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Like that goes and how remarkable this is. They're trying
to make you say something that you don't believe so
they will allow you to stay.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
That's that Yeah, so crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
And I even said too, I was like, you know,
this goes really directly against like my Christian beliefs, and
like I this isn't just like a you know, this
is something that like I could point to the evidence
of the things that I believe in, and so it
was sort of, you know, it felt at the moment,
you know, I realized that they were trying to do
(10:29):
some damage control, which.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Is within their right to do. But then yeah, it
just in hindsight, I'm like, wow, that was a very
you know, somewhat.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Disturbing thing to be asked to to capitulate on this,
you know, fairly fundamental thing that you know, I'd never
been quiet about.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I'd always been very.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
You know, proud and excited to build and support women
and women's running.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
And that's let's I don't want to make sure we
get it all in before we run out of time here.
So that is kind of where your new running group
came into play with Jennifer Say who's been on the
show as well, and XX Yes it's xxx Y Athletics,
her company that specializes in making great athletic wear, but
it also supports girls and girls sports and is working
(11:20):
to sort of change things. Now, tell me about the
running club you guys have made.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, so this.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Is actually I think Jen pointed out when I said,
you know, I got the email that I was getting
formally kicked out of the club. He's like, well, let's start,
Let's start our own club, And I mean it is
it's already. You know, we've only been live for a
little under two weeks and we've already got just such.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
A vibrant, great community that's building.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
So it's mostly online with some in real life meetups
and stuff that we're going to get started once we've
got some kind of you know, little regional cohorts grown.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
You know, we share training stuff, we do virtual activities.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
So on Monday, we a bunch of us did a
murph and then posted our results in the chat.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
So it's a way for us all to kind of
encourage each other to do.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Something that's maybe not necessarily within a bunch of runners
wheel house.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
To do two hundred push ups. We did it.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
This is not the right person to articles and to
talk and to just kind of you know, network and
support other women across the country, you know, with this
similar value of you know, we're all women at all
different stages in our running careers who just wants to
continue to get better and support each other.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Are you following along with what's happening in California right
now with their track and field situation because they're trying
to change some stuff and it's I got to tell you,
I don't think you can do it in the middle
of a season. I think it would be very right
to sort of And what we're talking about is the
California High School Association is now considering allowing like if
a if a transwoman medals, they will essentially give the
(13:03):
medal also to a biological girl who ran in that race,
and they're trying to split the baby, right.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, and this is the it's unfortunate and I'm so yeah.
I follow these stories very closely when they crop up,
and this is one that you know, it's it's frustrating
because there are no real winners here.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
You know, everybody is going to have.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
To experience some sort of loss, and it's it didn't
need to be this way, you know. I think they're
recognizing that the tide is turning on this and people
are starting to be more vocal about the fact that
it is simply, like demonstrably unfair to these you know,
teenage girls who work for months to be competitive in
(13:48):
their chosen discipline, you know, and then just lose out on,
you know, opportunities attention that they would beginning from scouts
and from colleges and potential scholarship opportunities, and so it's
this like vast ripple effect that now it feels like
they're really scrambling to try to rectify it. But it's
(14:09):
you know, at some point, it's maybe a little it's
too late in the season.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
So I'm hopeful that maybe this is you in the.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Future, something better can come from this moment in history.
But you know, it's heartbreaking for those girls who are
dealing with it right now.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Natalie Daniels, you are I would see an inspiration, but
that would imply that I too, I'm going to start
running marathons, and that is simply not a thing that's
going to happen.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
But I admire No.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Trust me, I know that is not a thing that
I already said. I'm not going to be one of
those midlife prices people who goes and starts winning. It's
just not my jam. But I admire you for everything
you've done, and I admire you for continuing to talk
about this and starting this new running club, and I
know it's going to be successful. And I put a
link on the blog today so people can join the
club if they'd like to, All you crazy runners out there,
(15:00):
and join a group of like minded people who are
just trying to make sure that women can compete against
women fairly in these sports. Natalie, thank you so much
for your time today.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, thank you as well.
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