July 11, 2025 • 18 mins
RICH GUGGENHEIM IS TRYING TO SAVE KIDS And he's continuing his work against gender affirming care, which is why he shared a recent panel at the FTC. He's on today to talk about that and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now we're going to welcome Rich Guggenheim, who just admitted
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that he ignores his physical pain and manifestation.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yeah, it's good to be with you.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Well, it's good to have you.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I was talking about it earlier because you know, hopefully
me talking about it will help another woman that may
be going through the same thing.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
You know, my sister is going through the same thing
right now.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
So it's just it's fairly common.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
And I didn't know that until after I was diagnosed,
and the doctor's like, yeah, this is actually a fairly
common situation, and depending on.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Your age, we treat it differently. Right.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Like I said, I'm done without equipment. I don't need
it anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Unless you're a man who needs one of them.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Oh my god, Can I sell it on the black
market to self delusional person who thinks they can use.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
It to have a baby?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
No, you cannot, I mean trans no, no, no, no,
no no. Mandy, Now you have a small idea how
Chuck feels with a cold from a test.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
You know what, I think my doctor hates when I
go to the doctor because when I do go to
the doctor, having you know, my background is in pathology,
so I'm like this stuff is real. If I'm going
to the doctor and I tell him like I've already
In fact, this is literally my story from a couple
of weeks ago. I went in and I'm like, I
think this is what it is, and I want to
not treat that. I always say, I want you to
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treat the problem, not the symptoms, right, And so I
told him, I said, I think you need to run
this test instead of this test.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
And I aligned it all up and I'm like, and then.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
You need to do an antibiotic sensitivity test, because if
this is a problem and you put the wrong person
on either, you put the person on the wrong antibiotics
and it just creates a feedback, Okay. And then he
looks it all up and he's like, yeah, you're right,
You're right, and he's like, we can go ahead and
schedule that. And I'm like okay, and he's like, you're
the only person I know who comes in and tells
me what I need to do, because you've already done
your own work, and no, this is your background.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
When I meet my new doctors, I always tell them
I go just so you know, I am an internet doctor,
but not one of those hacks who just goes to WebMD. Right,
I am a real internet doctor where I go to
Harvard and I go to Mayo Clinic, and I go
to John Hopkins and I their studies. So I am
right ninety five percent of the time when I go
into the doctor and say.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I'm pretty sure Chap don't. This is what's gonna happen. Though,
you know AI is going to replace all of our doctors.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Well right now, I think they will replace doctors in
the way that there's now medical AI that can is
better at diagnosing a problem than human doctors are, because
what you do is you put every single thing that
is wrong with you, Like my elbow hurts when I
wake up in the morning and I'm having troubles urinating
and I'm doing you put everything in there and chat
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just not chat. It's a different AI, but it runs
it through everything, crunches it.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
But then that's what the doctor uses for a treatment.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
This is going to get rolled at Walgreens dock in
a box.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
First, We're gonna have max headroom as our doctors.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
We're gonna you know, it's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
To the text, you asked, if I'm gonna let the
doctor puts my uterus in a jar.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
No, no, that will not be happening.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Your listeners are weird.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I know they are.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Let's talk about some important stuff of all you are.
You're about to be an author, like a published audio.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yes, I'm writing a book. It's called Escaping the Rainbow
Plantation and.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
For controversial Okay, so here's the background on that.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Remember a couple months ago when I was on your
show and I referred to the larger LGBT i q
A plus community is just slaves on the Rainbow Plantation
for englitter. Well, James O'Rourke over at the Colorado Times Recorder.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Hey, Jans, how'd you doing?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Guy decided to run a hit piece on me and
make all kinds of false accusations, which you could actually
get his story right if you would take the time
to reach out to me, not on my work email, idiot,
but my personal email and talk to me and have
a conversation with me instead of just spreading misinformation which
he's so well known for. So anyway, he ran this
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hit piece on me and I and that was literally
the title of the article. So my book, Escaping the
Rainbow Plantation is actually dedicated to as of work and
all of the other trands and queer rights activists who
inspired me every single day.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
So, you know, somebody asked me not too long ago.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
They said the point of their question and it's a
person that is part of their bisexual friend that I've
had for a very long time, and she said, what
I don't understand is the gay people that are so
passionate about this. She's like, I am passionate to a
certain extent, you know, because it is about protecting children.
But she's like, some of these people are like rabidly passionate,
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and honestly, your face popped into my mind.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
So where does that passion really come from?
Speaker 4 (04:35):
You know?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Mandy?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
So I talk about in my book the introduction to
the book, I talk about how I was one of
those people who fought when one Colorado existed, way back
in the day when Colorado was known as a hate state,
and we're fighting for things like the Civil Union's non
discrimination and housing and employment and basic civil liberties.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
And so that's where it came.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
And so for me to spend my time at the
state capitol working to accomplish basic freedoms and liberties, to
go to work and not get fired to get married,
and to repeal DOMA and refill the Defense of Marriage
Act and Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and those kinds of
things are really important. And I had friends, older gay
men that have been together for many, many years, and
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you know, they had to go through the process of
power of attorney and of living wills and all of
those kind of things in case something happened to one
of them. And I remember those days, and so for
me to fight for that, and then what did we
call that When we were fighting for the right to
get married. We were calling it same sex marriage. And
what did we call ourselves? We were called homo sexuals.
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And for some strange reason, now those basic facts are
being glossed over, erased, and they're calling it marriage equality
and this idea of gender ideology. And I talked about
this in my book. It is fundament mentally homophobic. Yeah,
my history as a gay man is being erased. And
one of the stories of my book is about Fred Sargent,
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who literally organized the first pride, Christopher Street Liberation, went
to a pride in Vermont with a sign that said
gay not queer, and was physically assaulted by queer transactivists
at Pride, one of literally the founders of the first
Pride and the gay rights civil movement, was assaulted by
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gays and queers and so, to add insult to injury,
this LGBT I called the LGBO MGWTF plus community wrote
a story about it and talked about nobody owns Pride
and Fred Sergeant was wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
What can I ask?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
That this is going to be a dumb question, but
it's one that I don't know the answer to. I
realized the other day I don't even know what it
means to be queer because when I grew up gay,
you were you were, you were a lesbian, you were
a gay man, you were a lesbian, or you're bisexual.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
They don't know everything either. It's just it's really what.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
They say is like, oh, I'm I'm queer.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Then you've got people like Abe Layton who says he's
in a state he loves beautiful people.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Well that's they're narcissists.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Well sorry, Abe, I've called you out into your face
on this before. But when you show up to these
types of organizations and you hear queer, I'm like, well,
you know, not all of us can look like a
Kendall so, but no queer. Honestly, what does that mean?
Nobody knows, And so when I look at it, it's
just heterosexual people who feel like they want to be
part of the party, so they've decided to appropriate our
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rights and colonize our spaces.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Is the separate the tq from the LGBT movement gaining
any steam.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I think it's gaining a lot of steam, and I
think it's because more and more people that are gay
and lesbian, same sex attracted people are waking up to
the fact that the LGB fought for this these ideas
and this freedom and this liberation, which goes back to
escaping the Rainbow Plant and the tqia plus. When we
achieved our rights as gays and lesbians, the tqia plus
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establishment stepped in and started fundraising, and they have not
only thrown us under the bus, they are actively erasing
our history and the things that they are fighting for
are dragging down public support for our rights.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yes, that's the part that concerns me is I see
fewer Republicans now support gay marriage, and I think that
is in direct backlash to the kind of nonsense that
we've seen where we have, you know, school districts lying
to parents when their kids come to school and want
to be called the opposite gender. I think it's all connected.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
It's bigger than that, though Mandy and I talked about
this in my book, the TQIA plus the establishment agenda
right now. Really it is about attacking the foundation of society.
The foundation of society in my book is the family.
It is the foundation of Western society. In fact, I
think any civilized society, you could say, and then when
you go and you look at how the ideology has
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it's captured the five pillars of society that I talk
about in my book, and that is science, academia, medical, media,
and government, and it's all they all play together, and
they're all serving each other, and it's all funded. And
I talk about Tim Gill, I talk about Mark Ruskin
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in the book. And I hope your listeners know who
these people are. I talk about path strikers.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Remind them these are the people who put together the blueprint.
You know, these are extremely wealthy people. Tim Gill's a
gay man, and it's been very, very invested in.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Not just hundreds of millions of dollars.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Oh yeah, they're the reason that Colorado is in the
state that it's in right now, if we're honest, let's
be real, yep.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And so I talk about all of that in this book.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I expose the medical industry, and I really talk about
all of the things that have happened the science, the
medical industry. I talk about the ass our institutions of education.
Do you know what's really interesting to me? And when
we talk about undermining the foundation of society and then
attacking the pillars of those society and then we wonder
why we're seeing am outbreak right now. People don't trust
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these institutions. And so when you have people like nine
News and Kyle Clark over at nine News, and you've
got people like Micah Smith over at Denver seven playing
these stories that portray us as these victims and really
running along with this trans queer narrative that is pro
trans proquery.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
And here's an example of undermining that.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
You know about the story of Jack Scratton, right, No,
Jack Scratton went missing back in April from Denver, the
transgender identifying man.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
And so when they found his body, how did the media,
every media outlet in Denver, how did they report that
that the I don't know her body has been found.
And even because I lived in downtown Denver, I saw
the posters up on street signs and lamps and stuff
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like that, and it said have you seen this person?
And then it says sex female. Jack's Bratton was a man.
And you can't find what you don't if you don't
know what you're looking for, right and so, and then
of course the media plays it all up in every
single media outlet in Colorado decided to report this as a.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Female wrong, and that's a lie.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
And every person with two brain cells that they can
run to rub together understands that it's a lie. And
so the media undermines itself by reporting verifiably false information.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I also just saw that her family is Jaxon's family
just is now mad because of the way they say
they're being treated by the police.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
And anybody who.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Is attached to a crime that is under investigation probably
has had the same experience because the police don't tell
you things that they can't verify or have it.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
So they're working all the investigation. They get out.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
There's no real information to be given, but they feel
they've been mistreated. Now they want a task force to
go whenever it's a transgender person, ask force would step
in to make sure that the police are treating it
with the right level of respect. And I hate to
break it to him, a murder victim is a murder victim.
Who's paying for all of this?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Well, it's not suggests the taxpayers, it's just a suggest.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Here's Here's what's even crazier about that, though, is then
you have the media, and then this is where the
government comes in. And now the state's coming in, and
you have, of course our players in the legislature. Don't
need to mention means Brian to tone saying oh this
is this just demonstrates how we need more protections for
the lgbt i q A plus Sir, Sit down, What
protections do we not already have? What more are you
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going to give me a personal bodyguard at taxpayer expense
as part of the lgbt i q A plus community.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
What are we talking about here?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Because please texters letter listening text, tell me as a
gay man, what rights do I not have? What more
protections do I need? I mean, if you want more protections,
it's called the Second Amendment.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Amen to that. Amen to that.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
So rich you know when you come out of your
shell and stop holding back. You're going to be an
amazing advocate for this.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Well, you know, when the book is published, we can
talk about that, but you know, it really is exposing
the truth about all of these things. And this is
where you know, this is quite frankly, we've talked about this.
I've received death threats. I don't care anymore. You're not
going to silence me, and you're not going to shame me,
and you're not going to shun me. And when I
talk about the Rainbow Plantation, I use these stories of
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other gays and lesbians.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I use the stories of JK.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Rowling, and I talk about how they have tried to
shame her and silence her and the purpose of it is.
And I share the story of a gay person who
spoke about it was he's also he was assaulted at
a gay bar in North Carolina and then kicked out
of the gay bar. And I said, they do this
because not only do they want to silence you, but
they want to make Just like the slave masters on
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the Plantation of Old would flog a slave who tried
to escape or stepped out of line, they didn't just
do it to punish that slave. They did it to
send a message to the other slaves that if you
step out of line, this is what we're going to
do to you. And that's exactly what they are doing
to people today. They want compliance and they want assimilation,
and how dare you think for yourself?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
See, here's the thing that gets me, and I think
that this is where we've we've gone. The pendulum has
swung too far because we've gone from and I've been
an avid supporter of gay marriage when it wasn't popular
to be a talk show host on the right who
was an avid supporter of gay marriage. But for me,
it was it's a governmental it's a governmental you know
it is, and you know, and that's.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Where I get a lot of people disagree with me
on this, on the right and on the left, my
personal take on marriage. In fact, I was just talking
to another conservative LGB commentator this week and the fallout
from all of this, and I said, I am willing
to sacrifice some of my rights as a gay man
if it means that we protect children from the harm
of gender ideology. Because when I look around at all
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of these married men that I see out there in
these open relationships that isn't what I fought for, but
you do you. But also my personal belief is that
the government has no business being in the business of
regulating and licensing marriage for anyone. Right.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
No, I totally agree, And that's the way I looked
at it.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
For me.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
It's a tax issue, right like government marriage is about
taxation when you get right down to it, It's about
taxation and how that works. It's about having rights at
end of life situations and things of that nature. But
it's a government demonstrated thing. And to your point about
giving up rights, here's the thing. I don't think you
need to give up rights as a gay man. I
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think as a man you have to give up the
right to go into a female space. And Arry Armstrong
wrote a great column about this the other day on
Complete Colorado dot com and he essentially said, look, if
you have a penis, you don't need to be in
a woman's changing room. How hard is that to understand?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
That?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Again goes back to one of the things that I
talk about in my book is this is misogyny. Who
are we telling they have to give up the rights?
This is literally about the patriarchy telling women sit down,
shut up, and listen to the men.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
And by the way, they're better women than you are.
Let's make them women of the Year.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
So I hope that a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I hope that you know, when we talk about one,
it's a warning to the LGB community, but it is
also a roadmap to help us understand how we strengthen
the foundation of society, which is our families, and how
we rebuild the pillars of society, because until we rebuild
trust in these institutions that have been compromised, our society
is going to continue to crumble.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I agree wholeheartedly, and I actually think that this is
the logical end result of the postmodernism movement that has
taken hold in the United States back in the nineteen fifties,
where God is dead, nothing matters, everybody's a nihilist, we
don't have to worry about the future because everything sucks.
This is where we're seeing it now because now, to
your point, they've taken a basic truth. We have men,
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we have women, and we have a tiny fraction of
people who are intersex, and we've heard they're telling us
we're crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Well, that's the other thing.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
And I do briefly touch on the whole intersex thing
with the medical piece of it. Inner sex is a
rare medical condition. Tiny tiny, if you are either still
male or female, being intersex is not a new gender.
It is not a third gender, It is not a
non gender. It is not a transgender or whatever other
label you.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Want to use it.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
And so, in my opinion, this is extremely ablest at
best for the LGBOG WTF plus community to appropriate this
and use people with a medical condition to advance their
political agenda and ideology. How disrespectful and shame on them
for doing that.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
What are you going to start a podcast?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Oh? I don't want to do that. Why it's because
that hard I just wrote a book.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
That's why you need to start a podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
After the good at it? Rich?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Okay, we're going to talk off the air because somebody
just said, how can a person get involved with Rich
meaning pushing or helping or push the truth he speaks you. Well,
you're going to need to buy his book when it
comes out. We'll know about that when you have your
book launch party.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Let me know.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
I want to I will say if you want to
get involved, we do have protect Kids Colorado and their
ballad initiatives. One is going to be girls sports. The
other one is going to be to limit the surgeries
on children so that anyone under eighteen is no longer
being mutilated under the guys of gender affirming care because
let's be honest, you can't change your sex, so a
sex change operation has a one hundred percent fail rate.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
That my friends is Rich Guggenheim, and his book will
come out and we will let you know when it's
coming out.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
It's good to see you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
One of my texters said, Rich is my favorite guest.
We need more gay voices like him. All my liberal
friends look at me like I'm an idiot, and when
I listen to Rich on the radio, it's reassuring to
me that I'm actually ahead of the gay curve. I
can't wait to share his book with all the haters.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
In my life.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
That from Jared and Boulder, who I can assure you
is very gay. We've met many times and he's an
absolute adorable man and I love him.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
See, there's other gay voices that agree with me, and
that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
We're not a monolist, just letting him know that it's okay.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, please, if if you agree with me and your
gay speak out yep.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Talk about it. Okay, Rich, we'll see you, say my friend,
all right bye,
Now we're going to welcome Rich Guggenheim, who just admitted
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that he ignores his physical pain and manifestation.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yeah, it's good to be with you.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Well, it's good to have you.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I was talking about it earlier because you know, hopefully
me talking about it will help another woman that may
be going through the same thing.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
You know, my sister is going through the same thing
right now.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
So it's just it's fairly common.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
And I didn't know that until after I was diagnosed,
and the doctor's like, yeah, this is actually a fairly
common situation, and depending on.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Your age, we treat it differently. Right.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Like I said, I'm done without equipment. I don't need
it anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Unless you're a man who needs one of them.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Oh my god, Can I sell it on the black
market to self delusional person who thinks they can use.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
It to have a baby?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
No, you cannot, I mean trans no, no, no, no,
no no. Mandy, Now you have a small idea how
Chuck feels with a cold from a test.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
You know what, I think my doctor hates when I
go to the doctor because when I do go to
the doctor, having you know, my background is in pathology,
so I'm like this stuff is real. If I'm going
to the doctor and I tell him like I've already
In fact, this is literally my story from a couple
of weeks ago. I went in and I'm like, I
think this is what it is, and I want to
not treat that. I always say, I want you to
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treat the problem, not the symptoms, right, And so I
told him, I said, I think you need to run
this test instead of this test.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
And I aligned it all up and I'm like, and then.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
You need to do an antibiotic sensitivity test, because if
this is a problem and you put the wrong person
on either, you put the person on the wrong antibiotics
and it just creates a feedback, Okay. And then he
looks it all up and he's like, yeah, you're right,
You're right, and he's like, we can go ahead and
schedule that. And I'm like okay, and he's like, you're
the only person I know who comes in and tells
me what I need to do, because you've already done
your own work, and no, this is your background.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
When I meet my new doctors, I always tell them
I go just so you know, I am an internet doctor,
but not one of those hacks who just goes to WebMD. Right,
I am a real internet doctor where I go to
Harvard and I go to Mayo Clinic, and I go
to John Hopkins and I their studies. So I am
right ninety five percent of the time when I go
into the doctor and say.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I'm pretty sure Chap don't. This is what's gonna happen. Though,
you know AI is going to replace all of our doctors.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Well right now, I think they will replace doctors in
the way that there's now medical AI that can is
better at diagnosing a problem than human doctors are, because
what you do is you put every single thing that
is wrong with you, Like my elbow hurts when I
wake up in the morning and I'm having troubles urinating
and I'm doing you put everything in there and chat
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just not chat. It's a different AI, but it runs
it through everything, crunches it.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
But then that's what the doctor uses for a treatment.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
This is going to get rolled at Walgreens dock in
a box.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
First, We're gonna have max headroom as our doctors.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
We're gonna you know, it's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
To the text, you asked, if I'm gonna let the
doctor puts my uterus in a jar.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
No, no, that will not be happening.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Your listeners are weird.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I know they are.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Let's talk about some important stuff of all you are.
You're about to be an author, like a published audio.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yes, I'm writing a book. It's called Escaping the Rainbow
Plantation and.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
For controversial Okay, so here's the background on that.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Remember a couple months ago when I was on your
show and I referred to the larger LGBT i q
A plus community is just slaves on the Rainbow Plantation
for englitter. Well, James O'Rourke over at the Colorado Times Recorder.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Hey, Jans, how'd you doing?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Guy decided to run a hit piece on me and
make all kinds of false accusations, which you could actually
get his story right if you would take the time
to reach out to me, not on my work email, idiot,
but my personal email and talk to me and have
a conversation with me instead of just spreading misinformation which
he's so well known for. So anyway, he ran this
(03:51):
hit piece on me and I and that was literally
the title of the article. So my book, Escaping the
Rainbow Plantation is actually dedicated to as of work and
all of the other trands and queer rights activists who
inspired me every single day.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
So, you know, somebody asked me not too long ago.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
They said the point of their question and it's a
person that is part of their bisexual friend that I've
had for a very long time, and she said, what
I don't understand is the gay people that are so
passionate about this. She's like, I am passionate to a
certain extent, you know, because it is about protecting children.
But she's like, some of these people are like rabidly passionate,
(04:30):
and honestly, your face popped into my mind.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
So where does that passion really come from?
Speaker 4 (04:35):
You know?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Mandy?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
So I talk about in my book the introduction to
the book, I talk about how I was one of
those people who fought when one Colorado existed, way back
in the day when Colorado was known as a hate state,
and we're fighting for things like the Civil Union's non
discrimination and housing and employment and basic civil liberties.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
And so that's where it came.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
And so for me to spend my time at the
state capitol working to accomplish basic freedoms and liberties, to
go to work and not get fired to get married,
and to repeal DOMA and refill the Defense of Marriage
Act and Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and those kinds of
things are really important. And I had friends, older gay
men that have been together for many, many years, and
(05:23):
you know, they had to go through the process of
power of attorney and of living wills and all of
those kind of things in case something happened to one
of them. And I remember those days, and so for
me to fight for that, and then what did we
call that When we were fighting for the right to
get married. We were calling it same sex marriage. And
what did we call ourselves? We were called homo sexuals.
(05:46):
And for some strange reason, now those basic facts are
being glossed over, erased, and they're calling it marriage equality
and this idea of gender ideology. And I talked about
this in my book. It is fundament mentally homophobic. Yeah,
my history as a gay man is being erased. And
one of the stories of my book is about Fred Sargent,
(06:07):
who literally organized the first pride, Christopher Street Liberation, went
to a pride in Vermont with a sign that said
gay not queer, and was physically assaulted by queer transactivists
at Pride, one of literally the founders of the first
Pride and the gay rights civil movement, was assaulted by
(06:27):
gays and queers and so, to add insult to injury,
this LGBT I called the LGBO MGWTF plus community wrote
a story about it and talked about nobody owns Pride
and Fred Sergeant was wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
What can I ask?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
That this is going to be a dumb question, but
it's one that I don't know the answer to. I
realized the other day I don't even know what it
means to be queer because when I grew up gay,
you were you were, you were a lesbian, you were
a gay man, you were a lesbian, or you're bisexual.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
They don't know everything either. It's just it's really what.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
They say is like, oh, I'm I'm queer.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Then you've got people like Abe Layton who says he's
in a state he loves beautiful people.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Well that's they're narcissists.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Well sorry, Abe, I've called you out into your face
on this before. But when you show up to these
types of organizations and you hear queer, I'm like, well,
you know, not all of us can look like a
Kendall so, but no queer. Honestly, what does that mean?
Nobody knows, And so when I look at it, it's
just heterosexual people who feel like they want to be
part of the party, so they've decided to appropriate our
(07:34):
rights and colonize our spaces.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Is the separate the tq from the LGBT movement gaining
any steam.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I think it's gaining a lot of steam, and I
think it's because more and more people that are gay
and lesbian, same sex attracted people are waking up to
the fact that the LGB fought for this these ideas
and this freedom and this liberation, which goes back to
escaping the Rainbow Plant and the tqia plus. When we
achieved our rights as gays and lesbians, the tqia plus
(08:05):
establishment stepped in and started fundraising, and they have not
only thrown us under the bus, they are actively erasing
our history and the things that they are fighting for
are dragging down public support for our rights.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yes, that's the part that concerns me is I see
fewer Republicans now support gay marriage, and I think that
is in direct backlash to the kind of nonsense that
we've seen where we have, you know, school districts lying
to parents when their kids come to school and want
to be called the opposite gender. I think it's all connected.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
It's bigger than that, though Mandy and I talked about
this in my book, the TQIA plus the establishment agenda
right now. Really it is about attacking the foundation of society.
The foundation of society in my book is the family.
It is the foundation of Western society. In fact, I
think any civilized society, you could say, and then when
you go and you look at how the ideology has
(08:56):
it's captured the five pillars of society that I talk
about in my book, and that is science, academia, medical, media,
and government, and it's all they all play together, and
they're all serving each other, and it's all funded. And
I talk about Tim Gill, I talk about Mark Ruskin
(09:16):
in the book. And I hope your listeners know who
these people are. I talk about path strikers.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Remind them these are the people who put together the blueprint.
You know, these are extremely wealthy people. Tim Gill's a
gay man, and it's been very, very invested in.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Not just hundreds of millions of dollars.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Oh yeah, they're the reason that Colorado is in the
state that it's in right now, if we're honest, let's
be real, yep.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And so I talk about all of that in this book.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I expose the medical industry, and I really talk about
all of the things that have happened the science, the
medical industry. I talk about the ass our institutions of education.
Do you know what's really interesting to me? And when
we talk about undermining the foundation of society and then
attacking the pillars of those society and then we wonder
why we're seeing am outbreak right now. People don't trust
(10:02):
these institutions. And so when you have people like nine
News and Kyle Clark over at nine News, and you've
got people like Micah Smith over at Denver seven playing
these stories that portray us as these victims and really
running along with this trans queer narrative that is pro
trans proquery.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
And here's an example of undermining that.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
You know about the story of Jack Scratton, right, No,
Jack Scratton went missing back in April from Denver, the
transgender identifying man.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
And so when they found his body, how did the media,
every media outlet in Denver, how did they report that
that the I don't know her body has been found.
And even because I lived in downtown Denver, I saw
the posters up on street signs and lamps and stuff
(10:53):
like that, and it said have you seen this person?
And then it says sex female. Jack's Bratton was a man.
And you can't find what you don't if you don't
know what you're looking for, right and so, and then
of course the media plays it all up in every
single media outlet in Colorado decided to report this as a.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Female wrong, and that's a lie.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
And every person with two brain cells that they can
run to rub together understands that it's a lie. And
so the media undermines itself by reporting verifiably false information.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I also just saw that her family is Jaxon's family
just is now mad because of the way they say
they're being treated by the police.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
And anybody who.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Is attached to a crime that is under investigation probably
has had the same experience because the police don't tell
you things that they can't verify or have it.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
So they're working all the investigation. They get out.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
There's no real information to be given, but they feel
they've been mistreated. Now they want a task force to
go whenever it's a transgender person, ask force would step
in to make sure that the police are treating it
with the right level of respect. And I hate to
break it to him, a murder victim is a murder victim.
Who's paying for all of this?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Well, it's not suggests the taxpayers, it's just a suggest.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Here's Here's what's even crazier about that, though, is then
you have the media, and then this is where the
government comes in. And now the state's coming in, and
you have, of course our players in the legislature. Don't
need to mention means Brian to tone saying oh this
is this just demonstrates how we need more protections for
the lgbt i q A plus Sir, Sit down, What
protections do we not already have? What more are you
(12:34):
going to give me a personal bodyguard at taxpayer expense
as part of the lgbt i q A plus community.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
What are we talking about here?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Because please texters letter listening text, tell me as a
gay man, what rights do I not have? What more
protections do I need? I mean, if you want more protections,
it's called the Second Amendment.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Amen to that. Amen to that.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
So rich you know when you come out of your
shell and stop holding back. You're going to be an
amazing advocate for this.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Well, you know, when the book is published, we can
talk about that, but you know, it really is exposing
the truth about all of these things. And this is
where you know, this is quite frankly, we've talked about this.
I've received death threats. I don't care anymore. You're not
going to silence me, and you're not going to shame me,
and you're not going to shun me. And when I
talk about the Rainbow Plantation, I use these stories of
(13:23):
other gays and lesbians.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I use the stories of JK.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Rowling, and I talk about how they have tried to
shame her and silence her and the purpose of it is.
And I share the story of a gay person who
spoke about it was he's also he was assaulted at
a gay bar in North Carolina and then kicked out
of the gay bar. And I said, they do this
because not only do they want to silence you, but
they want to make Just like the slave masters on
(13:48):
the Plantation of Old would flog a slave who tried
to escape or stepped out of line, they didn't just
do it to punish that slave. They did it to
send a message to the other slaves that if you
step out of line, this is what we're going to
do to you. And that's exactly what they are doing
to people today. They want compliance and they want assimilation,
and how dare you think for yourself?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
See, here's the thing that gets me, and I think
that this is where we've we've gone. The pendulum has
swung too far because we've gone from and I've been
an avid supporter of gay marriage when it wasn't popular
to be a talk show host on the right who
was an avid supporter of gay marriage. But for me,
it was it's a governmental it's a governmental you know
it is, and you know, and that's.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Where I get a lot of people disagree with me
on this, on the right and on the left, my
personal take on marriage. In fact, I was just talking
to another conservative LGB commentator this week and the fallout
from all of this, and I said, I am willing
to sacrifice some of my rights as a gay man
if it means that we protect children from the harm
of gender ideology. Because when I look around at all
(14:52):
of these married men that I see out there in
these open relationships that isn't what I fought for, but
you do you. But also my personal belief is that
the government has no business being in the business of
regulating and licensing marriage for anyone. Right.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
No, I totally agree, And that's the way I looked
at it.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
For me.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
It's a tax issue, right like government marriage is about
taxation when you get right down to it, It's about
taxation and how that works. It's about having rights at
end of life situations and things of that nature. But
it's a government demonstrated thing. And to your point about
giving up rights, here's the thing. I don't think you
need to give up rights as a gay man. I
(15:34):
think as a man you have to give up the
right to go into a female space. And Arry Armstrong
wrote a great column about this the other day on
Complete Colorado dot com and he essentially said, look, if
you have a penis, you don't need to be in
a woman's changing room. How hard is that to understand?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
That?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Again goes back to one of the things that I
talk about in my book is this is misogyny. Who
are we telling they have to give up the rights?
This is literally about the patriarchy telling women sit down,
shut up, and listen to the men.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
And by the way, they're better women than you are.
Let's make them women of the Year.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
So I hope that a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I hope that you know, when we talk about one,
it's a warning to the LGB community, but it is
also a roadmap to help us understand how we strengthen
the foundation of society, which is our families, and how
we rebuild the pillars of society, because until we rebuild
trust in these institutions that have been compromised, our society
is going to continue to crumble.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I agree wholeheartedly, and I actually think that this is
the logical end result of the postmodernism movement that has
taken hold in the United States back in the nineteen fifties,
where God is dead, nothing matters, everybody's a nihilist, we
don't have to worry about the future because everything sucks.
This is where we're seeing it now because now, to
your point, they've taken a basic truth. We have men,
(16:48):
we have women, and we have a tiny fraction of
people who are intersex, and we've heard they're telling us
we're crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Well, that's the other thing.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
And I do briefly touch on the whole intersex thing
with the medical piece of it. Inner sex is a
rare medical condition. Tiny tiny, if you are either still
male or female, being intersex is not a new gender.
It is not a third gender, It is not a
non gender. It is not a transgender or whatever other
label you.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Want to use it.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
And so, in my opinion, this is extremely ablest at
best for the LGBOG WTF plus community to appropriate this
and use people with a medical condition to advance their
political agenda and ideology. How disrespectful and shame on them
for doing that.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
What are you going to start a podcast?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Oh? I don't want to do that. Why it's because
that hard I just wrote a book.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
That's why you need to start a podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
After the good at it? Rich?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Okay, we're going to talk off the air because somebody
just said, how can a person get involved with Rich
meaning pushing or helping or push the truth he speaks you. Well,
you're going to need to buy his book when it
comes out. We'll know about that when you have your
book launch party.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Let me know.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
I want to I will say if you want to
get involved, we do have protect Kids Colorado and their
ballad initiatives. One is going to be girls sports. The
other one is going to be to limit the surgeries
on children so that anyone under eighteen is no longer
being mutilated under the guys of gender affirming care because
let's be honest, you can't change your sex, so a
sex change operation has a one hundred percent fail rate.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
That my friends is Rich Guggenheim, and his book will
come out and we will let you know when it's
coming out.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
It's good to see you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
One of my texters said, Rich is my favorite guest.
We need more gay voices like him. All my liberal
friends look at me like I'm an idiot, and when
I listen to Rich on the radio, it's reassuring to
me that I'm actually ahead of the gay curve. I
can't wait to share his book with all the haters.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
In my life.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
That from Jared and Boulder, who I can assure you
is very gay. We've met many times and he's an
absolute adorable man and I love him.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
See, there's other gay voices that agree with me, and
that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
We're not a monolist, just letting him know that it's okay.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, please, if if you agree with me and your
gay speak out yep.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Talk about it. Okay, Rich, we'll see you, say my friend,
all right bye,
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