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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Please a punch to see my longtime friend and owner
of Regan Revolution, Rachel Summers on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Oh no, I keep unmarrying you. Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I've known Rachel since before she was married to her
lovely husband, who is a delight. But I can never
remember what your name is now, so I probably should
just put that on my phone correctly and it would
be okay. You guys know I love Regen Revolution. I
tell people all the time like I'm not just an endorser,
I'm like an evangelist because of all the stuff you
guys have done for me.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
But the thing that I like the.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Most about what you guys do is that it's always
an evolutionary process. There's always another thing that you guys
are looking on. You're tweaking the protocol, you're figuring out
what's working best for your patients. What's some of the
cool stuff that you guys have been doing or is
coming down the pike. And if people want questions about
(00:52):
regenerative medicine, our provider Roslin's going to be joining us
in about five minutes, so text me your questions at
five six six I know that's five six six nine
er and.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
We'll get them in about five minutes. But what's happening.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
It's such a cool time to be in this field.
It's such an exciting field. I mean, things are happening
so quickly, and there's so much energy and expenditure going
into research and study and pushing for legislative changes with
the products that we're using too.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
So it's a fun time to be there.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I think some of the fun stuff that we're starting
to see. Well, one, the products that we're able to
use for regenerative medicine are just getting better and better
and better and better and stronger and more effective. And
we're at a point now where we're able to actually
offer an outcome promise on the on the things that
we deliver.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Wow, that's so cool.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
That's backed up by the lab that we use because
they have such confidence in their products. And well it's
kind of new, yeah, I mean they designated us as
a premium partner of THEIRS at the end of May,
and so it's pretty new.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
That's very because here's the thing, Like, let's be real,
not everything works for everybody. You guys get great results
for most of the patients that you see, but just
like some people are going to have ANEE replacement fail. Right,
somebody's not going to respond well to cancer treatments. It
doesn't work for anybody, So what is the promise now?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah, So the thing about regenerative medicine is if a
little works a little or some at all.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
If it works a little, more will work more.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Okay, it's just depending on how long somebody has let
something go, they might need more. And more is expensive,
and so it's a deterrent to people to get more
even though more would help, right, And so our supplier
is able to kind of back us up now and
if somebody.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Needs more, they send it.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Oh, that's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
So it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I think it takes a lot of the gulp factor
out of deciding to go down this road because they're like, well,
it's a lot of money. What if it doesn't work
In our office, I mean, we don't really see that.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It's more like varying degrees of success.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You know, it's been a long time since we had
a patient where this just didn't work at well all.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
You know, if they follow.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
The protocols that we instruct them to follow, and they
do all the things, and they use their home equipment
and they you know they do all the things. We're
seeing varying degrees of success for pretty much everyone that
comes in, which is great. And if you know, and
we're now able to kind of say to people, hey,
we'll treat you till you're better.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Well, somebody just asked, this is a big question, and
it's it's always about cost. And I wanted to start
with what is happening on the insurance front when it
comes to things like platelet rich plasma.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Because there's a process.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
That you go through depending on your needs and how
degraded your joint is and everything, but a lot of
times it will include things like PRP, which is plate
lit rich plasma. Some insurances are starting to cover some
of this stuff. What's changing on that front?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I mean, we have not successfully built a PRP shot
to an insurance company and gotten paid. Yet we have
not successfully gotten paid. We have gotten prior authorization from
insurance companies that say yes, go ahead, we'll pay, and
then we send the bill and they don't pay.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
So that's what's.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Happening right now.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
For example, like with Trycare for Veterans, they will cover PRP, but.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Only in certain only in the shoulders. They won't cover it.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
In the knees or the hips, or the feed or
anywhere else if somebody needs it, and then we'll call
and we'll get pre prior authorization for it. But like
I said, we just haven't successfully gotten paid yet.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
We're trying. We're trying.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
So what are we looking at cost wise? Because that's
the first thing that people ask.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I think it really kind of depends on what a
person needs, right, But I would say on average, you
can expect if you're doing the full regenerative protocol on
somebody and they're advanced enough to where they're kind of
being recommended the strongest thing we've got, you're probably looking
at around seven to ten thousand dollars per joint.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
If you are doing more than one joint at a time,
we can save the patient money on that because we're
able to kind of use the same thing in multiple
joints and the rehab that goes along with those treatments
that makes them so successful. We're doing the same rehab
on somebody whether they're doing.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
One joint or ten, right, right, So you.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Definitely save money by doing more than one joint.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
At a time.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
There are other products though, that are now coming to
market that are just getting really good results that are
less expensive, and so we're just starting to kind of
integrate those into the things that we're doing and seeing
really good success. Products that we've used in aesthetics for
a while for facial rejuvenation and hair restoration and things
like that, we're starting to be able to get those
in enough of the quantity that we can use them
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in orthopedic applications also.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So it's a wonderful time to be in regenerative medicine
and joining us now the wonderful provider. She is a
nurse practitioner who has been in orthopedics for some time.
She is now going to be the person who will
be injecting you and Roslin. We've not met yet, but
we will be meeting soon. I've got some scraggly cartilage
that I'd like to get taken care of, but I'd
love to ask you this question from a texture what
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can be done, if anything, for spinal stenosis.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
So spinal synosis, you know, we could do some regenerative
medicine near the spine and it does float around in
that area, but if the actual spinal canal is stenautic,
you know, we need to kind of have them come in,
look at some imaging, get a better picture of what's
going on in there, and then kind of come up
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with a comprehensive plan that sounds tough.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I mean, spines seem like they would be tough.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Yeah, and if it depends, you know, we have to
look at the whole picture, gets an imaging, chat with
the patients who kind of sent them as they're having
and come up with a plan. But you can do
the regenerative medicine products near the spine. We do not
go into the spine, okay, but and it does float
around to the area where you're treating.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
This one is about neuropathy. And Mandy, my nerve doctor,
told me there's nothing to be done about peripheral neuropathy.
Yet I see advertisements that say it can be treated.
Is there any treatment your guests can say has worked.
Have you guys had success with perferal neuropathy, because this
one's tough.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Ab absolutely. Actually, we just had a patient to us
today or yesterday, yes, yesterday, and yeah and said I
don't have like the perferle neuropathy and my lower extremities
is gone. So what we do is we do peer
p or the pear pin and a jelly and we
put it. We bathe next to the nerves, either in
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the lower extremities or the upper extremities, and we have
a protocol for that. And yes, people are sealing their
nerves coming back, people are having less pain, pens and needles, hangling, numbness,
all that. It's it's been incredible.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
We were having like a fun chat about that today
because this particular patient is she was a really tough
case actually, and she had severe neuropathy and she was
so concerned about something else yesterday.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
That she said, oh, well, doctor Cook says, I don't
have ropathy anymorebit, but I now I'm concerned.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Ab I'm like, hold on, can we just stop and
talk about the fact that you don't have to ropathy anymore? Like,
she was a really severe case. So that was a
big win for us.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Excellent are any treatments covered by medicare.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Regenerative treatments, know, but there are a lot of things
in our office that are covered by Medicare. We've been
Medicare providers for over twenty years. They cover chiropractic, they
cover some of the rehab that we do, they cover
different types of medical injections that we do. They cover
your braces, like if you need knee braces or back braces,
they cover those. So they'll cover a lot of stuff.
(08:34):
There's just some stuff they don't cover. But whatever they cover,
I mean, we will bill it and try to get
them to pay for it. Medicare is great, it's just
you know, they don't pay for regenerative treatments.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
This text asks specifically, why are insurance companies reluctant or
refuse to cover PRP in stem cell treatments? Is it
just because they're new and they don't have to yet?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I think that's bs okay, these six these're they that's
just the excuse they use it. It's experimental. Final decompression
is a good example. It's that it's experiment that's been
around for like forty years.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
It's not experimental. They just don't pay for it. It's
not new.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
We've been doing this for a long time. Roslin, how
long have you been doing these injections?
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Five years?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Yeah, and we've been you guys.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Have been doing at least ten because that's what I
had my knees done.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Right same, and so my my kne's done eleven years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Actually, yeah, and I just now got reinjected with the
product that we have now that's current and oh my god.
I mean I'm playing tennis like three days a week now,
which I wasn't able to do before. I think insurance
doesn't pay for it because we saw change in the
late nineties early two thousands where insurance companies just stopped
covering things that are preventative. They used to cover massage,
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they used to cover acupuncture, they used to cover chiropractic
like seventy five one hundred visits a year, they just
stopped covering it.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Why that is? You know, I have my own thoughts
about that.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
But they cover the treatment of sickness symptoms, not the
underlying or preventive ways to stop.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
They come the drugs and surgery.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Okay, Rossland, I got one for you. Can anything been
done with a torn rotator cuff? And let me ask
this follow up, now, Texter, is it a full tear,
a partial tear?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Is it a full rupture? What do we look at?
Speaker 5 (10:18):
That would be my question.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, So let's let's assume it's a partial tear. Let's
let's start there and then we'll move to full tear.
Can can you fix that because nobody wants rotator cuff surgery.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Yeah, so we can definitely help with that symptoms that
prolonged surgery. Regenerative medicine when you're doing it in the
area where you have a partial tear more slight tear,
your regenitive cells from within your body, plus the medications
we're putting in are doing the work in that area,
and they do. You do repeat imaging and it shows
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that the partial tear is either less or healed, you know,
and then we do the rehab here and people are
prolonging surgery or not having to have surgery. So yeah,
regierative medicine does help the tears.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I will wait. But a full rupture, that's something you
have to have.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
That's that's different. Okay, a full rupture, it's going to
be very difficult to repair that. Regenerative medicine. But tears absolutely, Okay,
this one is to help with that. But I mean,
you know, we'd have to look at some imaging and
and kind of see what all is entailed in that, right,
A lot of different muscles and the rotator cuffs.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
This is an interesting question. Are treatment successful in people
with MS not for the MS, but like a knee.
Can someone who has kind of a you know, degenerative
neurological disease get joint relief even if they don't get
relief for the over you know, the other issue.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Yeah, because we're we're helping repair the joint right right, Yeah,
those kind of disease processes. There are certain things that
aren't going to be managed by this, but you know,
we definitely have some IV's that can help don't feel better.
And then if we're trying to fix a joint, absolutely
they can have repair and regeneration in that from the
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products we're using in the treatment we do.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
This text message says Mandy.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
My husband got PRP injections and stem cells in both
his two hips, two knees, and back about three years
ago and he is pain free now. But he does
regularly work out and does physical therapy, stretches and strength
exercises throughout the week. Also, he did have to get
his right hip replaced because it was too far gone,
but he's completely pain free in the other hip, two knees,
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and back. We're so thankful for regenerative medicine. So yes,
it does work.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Here's one What about shoulder impingements?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
And I don't know what I don't I know the word.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I don't actually know what that is though. What is
the shoulder impingement?
Speaker 5 (12:49):
So when you start to have some degeneration in the joint,
or if you have some tears that are impeding, or
your humorous goes up and attaches into that shoulder joint.
I mean it can get to where if the joint
gets smaller, the humorous goes up in further and can
shift forward or backwards. God, it means when you're reaching
your arm out to the side, you can't get it
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all the way up or to the front because you know,
I don't have the way the joint work. You learn
impinge there. You know, it can't get anyway. So yeah,
we've had people with that, you know, looking at x
rays and they have that going on, and we do
the PRP or the PRP nano jelly in there and
it you know, it helps rebuild and regenerate. So actually
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when we do follow up x rays, you know, six
months out of a year out, it shows that there
have more space in there. And then all the rehab
cairo we do here, it's a comprehensive system and yep,
they get better range of motion, decrease pain.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I do want to say I've talked to people who
have used other regenerative companies, not just in this area,
but in other parts of the country.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
What you guys do, it's.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
A full physical therapy rehab chiropractice.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Nobody else does that, and I actually think that is.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Why separates your practice here from pretty much anybody else,
because it's not like here's your shot and go on
your way. It's like we're gonna get you straightened out.
We're go think it's your body straightened out. What I mean,
that's obviously a feature, not a bug, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Mean I think that's something that we're constantly working on,
how to integrate all these treatments in the shortest possible
time so that patients can come in for a visit,
spend an hour or ninety minutes there, get all of
this stuff. Because if you tell a patient, hey, I'll
give you this injection, but you really need to go
do this pete where you really need to go over
here and do these things, patients just don't do it
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because they're all the time. So if we can get
we cram as much treatment into them as we can
while they're there, and I think you know what you
said about not a lot of.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
People doing this.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I mean people drive to our clinic from so far away.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
We have people that come up. I mean, it's no joke.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
And I think you know that is by design and
that's our commitment to just giving people a whole body
solution that will last a long time instead of something
that I'll you know.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
This, Texter said, do they have any locations up north?
My knees are trashed, but Denver's too far from me.
They're in Arvada. They have a beautiful office in Arvada
that is easy to get to from major highways. Any
plans for expansion down my meat, that would be lovely.
We've talked about the work and my needs. My needs
require Regen revolutions south of town.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
I'm working on it.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
If anybody wants to help fund that expansion, to give
me a cause, Okay, am I taking calls on the
funding of the expansion.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Rosland. I got a question.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Can persons who had cancer get PRP or stem cells?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Are they?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Are there any exclusionary medical conditions where people should not
get this kind of treatment?
Speaker 5 (15:50):
So the contraindications with receiving any of the stem cell
products non OPUREPGLI or stem cells, is recent history of
cancer within five years okay? Or organ transplant? Oh, but well,
able to get their own blood, so we can do
PRP the play average plasma with their own blood.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah, because PRP are just recycling. You're not bringing in
any any sort of different things foreign. Yeah, text or
if it's been so if it's been more than five
years since since a cancer incident, that would.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Be okay, a remission.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I'm trying to get the rest of these. We've got
a couple of minutes left. I have cartilage damage in
the ankle making running painful. I've done PRP, which didn't
have an effect, and was wondering if stem cell works
well in the ankles, because ankles that seems like a
tough one.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Yeah, I mean it works well in any area of
the body. You know, they're similar products but different. And
if they've tried the PRP, I think it would be
worth trying the stem cell for sure, or the pear
panano jelly before you know, going anything more invasive.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
This question said anything about Bunyan's surgery for that sounds awful,
says this texter.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Well, I mean the bunyan is actually bone overgrowth right side.
We can help with the pain piece of it, for sure,
you know. That's what we could do, is help with
the pain around there, But the bunyon is something that
we medically can't fix with parp okay.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
As a matter of fact, I do. I told Rachel
this story. So Chuck had to go back and see
his orthopedis. Chuck had has hip treated like two years
ago and after having a lot of hip pain, and
he went back to his orthopedis and his orthopedis had
taken X rays like two and a half years ago,
and he said, let's just go ahead and do the
X rays of both your hips, see what's going on
two and a half years ago. His orthopedis said, you're
probably going to need a hip replacement soon. When he
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went back, all of the rough edges on the end
of of his bone were completely smooth, and he had
gotten so much space within the joint that his orthopedis said,
you don't need a hip replacement like you have. He
has some kind of soft tissue situation that's causing pain.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
It's you know, yeah, yeah, and so yeah, the returnative
of medicine helped you know that joint get healthy and
provide more space in there.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
It's it's pretty I mean, it's pretty cool, not just
to be able to feel the difference, because you will
to be able to see the difference on X rays.
You're like, it's pretty incredible to see the before and
afters of your own X rays. And that's the experience
that I've had. Roslin, I appreciate your time today. If
people have any questions that we did not answer, and
there's a lot of them, please just call schedule a consultation,
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go in have a one on one so you can
really answer ask all of your personal medical questions and
get the answers that you need.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Roslin, I will see you soon. That's great, all right,
thank you and Rachel. The office in Nevada can be reached.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
But again just call region rev dot com, Region rev
dot com.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
It's good to see you, my friend, you too,
Please a punch to see my longtime friend and owner
of Regan Revolution, Rachel Summers on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Oh no, I keep unmarrying you. Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I've known Rachel since before she was married to her
lovely husband, who is a delight. But I can never
remember what your name is now, so I probably should
just put that on my phone correctly and it would
be okay. You guys know I love Regen Revolution. I
tell people all the time like I'm not just an endorser,
I'm like an evangelist because of all the stuff you
guys have done for me.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
But the thing that I like the.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Most about what you guys do is that it's always
an evolutionary process. There's always another thing that you guys
are looking on. You're tweaking the protocol, you're figuring out
what's working best for your patients. What's some of the
cool stuff that you guys have been doing or is
coming down the pike. And if people want questions about
(00:52):
regenerative medicine, our provider Roslin's going to be joining us
in about five minutes, so text me your questions at
five six six I know that's five six six nine
er and.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
We'll get them in about five minutes. But what's happening.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
It's such a cool time to be in this field.
It's such an exciting field. I mean, things are happening
so quickly, and there's so much energy and expenditure going
into research and study and pushing for legislative changes with
the products that we're using too.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
So it's a fun time to be there.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I think some of the fun stuff that we're starting
to see. Well, one, the products that we're able to
use for regenerative medicine are just getting better and better
and better and better and stronger and more effective. And
we're at a point now where we're able to actually
offer an outcome promise on the on the things that
we deliver.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Wow, that's so cool.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
That's backed up by the lab that we use because
they have such confidence in their products. And well it's
kind of new, yeah, I mean they designated us as
a premium partner of THEIRS at the end of May,
and so it's pretty new.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
That's very because here's the thing, Like, let's be real,
not everything works for everybody. You guys get great results
for most of the patients that you see, but just
like some people are going to have ANEE replacement fail. Right,
somebody's not going to respond well to cancer treatments. It
doesn't work for anybody, So what is the promise now?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah, So the thing about regenerative medicine is if a
little works a little or some at all.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
If it works a little, more will work more.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Okay, it's just depending on how long somebody has let
something go, they might need more. And more is expensive,
and so it's a deterrent to people to get more
even though more would help, right, And so our supplier
is able to kind of back us up now and
if somebody.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Needs more, they send it.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Oh, that's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
So it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I think it takes a lot of the gulp factor
out of deciding to go down this road because they're like, well,
it's a lot of money. What if it doesn't work
In our office, I mean, we don't really see that.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It's more like varying degrees of success.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You know, it's been a long time since we had
a patient where this just didn't work at well all.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
You know, if they follow.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
The protocols that we instruct them to follow, and they
do all the things, and they use their home equipment
and they you know they do all the things. We're
seeing varying degrees of success for pretty much everyone that
comes in, which is great. And if you know, and
we're now able to kind of say to people, hey,
we'll treat you till you're better.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Well, somebody just asked, this is a big question, and
it's it's always about cost. And I wanted to start
with what is happening on the insurance front when it
comes to things like platelet rich plasma.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Because there's a process.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
That you go through depending on your needs and how
degraded your joint is and everything, but a lot of
times it will include things like PRP, which is plate
lit rich plasma. Some insurances are starting to cover some
of this stuff. What's changing on that front?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I mean, we have not successfully built a PRP shot
to an insurance company and gotten paid. Yet we have
not successfully gotten paid. We have gotten prior authorization from
insurance companies that say yes, go ahead, we'll pay, and
then we send the bill and they don't pay.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
So that's what's.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Happening right now.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
For example, like with Trycare for Veterans, they will cover PRP, but.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Only in certain only in the shoulders. They won't cover it.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
In the knees or the hips, or the feed or
anywhere else if somebody needs it, and then we'll call
and we'll get pre prior authorization for it. But like
I said, we just haven't successfully gotten paid yet.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
We're trying. We're trying.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
So what are we looking at cost wise? Because that's
the first thing that people ask.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I think it really kind of depends on what a
person needs, right, But I would say on average, you
can expect if you're doing the full regenerative protocol on
somebody and they're advanced enough to where they're kind of
being recommended the strongest thing we've got, you're probably looking
at around seven to ten thousand dollars per joint.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
If you are doing more than one joint at a time,
we can save the patient money on that because we're
able to kind of use the same thing in multiple
joints and the rehab that goes along with those treatments
that makes them so successful. We're doing the same rehab
on somebody whether they're doing.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
One joint or ten, right, right, So you.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Definitely save money by doing more than one joint.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
At a time.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
There are other products though, that are now coming to
market that are just getting really good results that are
less expensive, and so we're just starting to kind of
integrate those into the things that we're doing and seeing
really good success. Products that we've used in aesthetics for
a while for facial rejuvenation and hair restoration and things
like that, we're starting to be able to get those
in enough of the quantity that we can use them
(05:31):
in orthopedic applications also.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So it's a wonderful time to be in regenerative medicine
and joining us now the wonderful provider. She is a
nurse practitioner who has been in orthopedics for some time.
She is now going to be the person who will
be injecting you and Roslin. We've not met yet, but
we will be meeting soon. I've got some scraggly cartilage
that I'd like to get taken care of, but I'd
love to ask you this question from a texture what
(05:55):
can be done, if anything, for spinal stenosis.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
So spinal synosis, you know, we could do some regenerative
medicine near the spine and it does float around in
that area, but if the actual spinal canal is stenautic,
you know, we need to kind of have them come in,
look at some imaging, get a better picture of what's
going on in there, and then kind of come up
(06:21):
with a comprehensive plan that sounds tough.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I mean, spines seem like they would be tough.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Yeah, and if it depends, you know, we have to
look at the whole picture, gets an imaging, chat with
the patients who kind of sent them as they're having
and come up with a plan. But you can do
the regenerative medicine products near the spine. We do not
go into the spine, okay, but and it does float
around to the area where you're treating.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
This one is about neuropathy. And Mandy, my nerve doctor,
told me there's nothing to be done about peripheral neuropathy.
Yet I see advertisements that say it can be treated.
Is there any treatment your guests can say has worked.
Have you guys had success with perferal neuropathy, because this
one's tough.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Ab absolutely. Actually, we just had a patient to us
today or yesterday, yes, yesterday, and yeah and said I
don't have like the perferle neuropathy and my lower extremities
is gone. So what we do is we do peer
p or the pear pin and a jelly and we
put it. We bathe next to the nerves, either in
(07:28):
the lower extremities or the upper extremities, and we have
a protocol for that. And yes, people are sealing their
nerves coming back, people are having less pain, pens and needles, hangling, numbness,
all that. It's it's been incredible.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
We were having like a fun chat about that today
because this particular patient is she was a really tough
case actually, and she had severe neuropathy and she was
so concerned about something else yesterday.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
That she said, oh, well, doctor Cook says, I don't
have ropathy anymorebit, but I now I'm concerned.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Ab I'm like, hold on, can we just stop and
talk about the fact that you don't have to ropathy anymore? Like,
she was a really severe case. So that was a
big win for us.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Excellent are any treatments covered by medicare.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Regenerative treatments, know, but there are a lot of things
in our office that are covered by Medicare. We've been
Medicare providers for over twenty years. They cover chiropractic, they
cover some of the rehab that we do, they cover
different types of medical injections that we do. They cover
your braces, like if you need knee braces or back braces,
they cover those. So they'll cover a lot of stuff.
(08:34):
There's just some stuff they don't cover. But whatever they cover,
I mean, we will bill it and try to get
them to pay for it. Medicare is great, it's just
you know, they don't pay for regenerative treatments.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
This text asks specifically, why are insurance companies reluctant or
refuse to cover PRP in stem cell treatments? Is it
just because they're new and they don't have to yet?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I think that's bs okay, these six these're they that's
just the excuse they use it. It's experimental. Final decompression
is a good example. It's that it's experiment that's been
around for like forty years.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
It's not experimental. They just don't pay for it. It's
not new.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
We've been doing this for a long time. Roslin, how
long have you been doing these injections?
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Five years?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Yeah, and we've been you guys.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Have been doing at least ten because that's what I
had my knees done.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Right same, and so my my kne's done eleven years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Actually, yeah, and I just now got reinjected with the
product that we have now that's current and oh my god.
I mean I'm playing tennis like three days a week now,
which I wasn't able to do before. I think insurance
doesn't pay for it because we saw change in the
late nineties early two thousands where insurance companies just stopped
covering things that are preventative. They used to cover massage,
(09:46):
they used to cover acupuncture, they used to cover chiropractic
like seventy five one hundred visits a year, they just
stopped covering it.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Why that is? You know, I have my own thoughts
about that.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
But they cover the treatment of sickness symptoms, not the
underlying or preventive ways to stop.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
They come the drugs and surgery.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Okay, Rossland, I got one for you. Can anything been
done with a torn rotator cuff? And let me ask
this follow up, now, Texter, is it a full tear,
a partial tear?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Is it a full rupture? What do we look at?
Speaker 5 (10:18):
That would be my question.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, So let's let's assume it's a partial tear. Let's
let's start there and then we'll move to full tear.
Can can you fix that because nobody wants rotator cuff surgery.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Yeah, so we can definitely help with that symptoms that
prolonged surgery. Regenerative medicine when you're doing it in the
area where you have a partial tear more slight tear,
your regenitive cells from within your body, plus the medications
we're putting in are doing the work in that area,
and they do. You do repeat imaging and it shows
(10:49):
that the partial tear is either less or healed, you know,
and then we do the rehab here and people are
prolonging surgery or not having to have surgery. So yeah,
regierative medicine does help the tears.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I will wait. But a full rupture, that's something you
have to have.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
That's that's different. Okay, a full rupture, it's going to
be very difficult to repair that. Regenerative medicine. But tears absolutely, Okay,
this one is to help with that. But I mean,
you know, we'd have to look at some imaging and
and kind of see what all is entailed in that, right,
A lot of different muscles and the rotator cuffs.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
This is an interesting question. Are treatment successful in people
with MS not for the MS, but like a knee.
Can someone who has kind of a you know, degenerative
neurological disease get joint relief even if they don't get
relief for the over you know, the other issue.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Yeah, because we're we're helping repair the joint right right, Yeah,
those kind of disease processes. There are certain things that
aren't going to be managed by this, but you know,
we definitely have some IV's that can help don't feel better.
And then if we're trying to fix a joint, absolutely
they can have repair and regeneration in that from the
(12:07):
products we're using in the treatment we do.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
This text message says Mandy.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
My husband got PRP injections and stem cells in both
his two hips, two knees, and back about three years
ago and he is pain free now. But he does
regularly work out and does physical therapy, stretches and strength
exercises throughout the week. Also, he did have to get
his right hip replaced because it was too far gone,
but he's completely pain free in the other hip, two knees,
(12:32):
and back. We're so thankful for regenerative medicine. So yes,
it does work.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Here's one What about shoulder impingements?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
And I don't know what I don't I know the word.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I don't actually know what that is though. What is
the shoulder impingement?
Speaker 5 (12:49):
So when you start to have some degeneration in the joint,
or if you have some tears that are impeding, or
your humorous goes up and attaches into that shoulder joint.
I mean it can get to where if the joint
gets smaller, the humorous goes up in further and can
shift forward or backwards. God, it means when you're reaching
your arm out to the side, you can't get it
(13:09):
all the way up or to the front because you know,
I don't have the way the joint work. You learn
impinge there. You know, it can't get anyway. So yeah,
we've had people with that, you know, looking at x
rays and they have that going on, and we do
the PRP or the PRP nano jelly in there and
it you know, it helps rebuild and regenerate. So actually
(13:30):
when we do follow up x rays, you know, six
months out of a year out, it shows that there
have more space in there. And then all the rehab
cairo we do here, it's a comprehensive system and yep,
they get better range of motion, decrease pain.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I do want to say I've talked to people who
have used other regenerative companies, not just in this area,
but in other parts of the country.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
What you guys do, it's.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
A full physical therapy rehab chiropractice.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Nobody else does that, and I actually think that is.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Why separates your practice here from pretty much anybody else,
because it's not like here's your shot and go on
your way. It's like we're gonna get you straightened out.
We're go think it's your body straightened out. What I mean,
that's obviously a feature, not a bug, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Mean I think that's something that we're constantly working on,
how to integrate all these treatments in the shortest possible
time so that patients can come in for a visit,
spend an hour or ninety minutes there, get all of
this stuff. Because if you tell a patient, hey, I'll
give you this injection, but you really need to go
do this pete where you really need to go over
here and do these things, patients just don't do it
(14:38):
because they're all the time. So if we can get
we cram as much treatment into them as we can
while they're there, and I think you know what you
said about not a lot of.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
People doing this.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I mean people drive to our clinic from so far away.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
We have people that come up. I mean, it's no joke.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
And I think you know that is by design and
that's our commitment to just giving people a whole body
solution that will last a long time instead of something
that I'll you know.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
This, Texter said, do they have any locations up north?
My knees are trashed, but Denver's too far from me.
They're in Arvada. They have a beautiful office in Arvada
that is easy to get to from major highways. Any
plans for expansion down my meat, that would be lovely.
We've talked about the work and my needs. My needs
require Regen revolutions south of town.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
I'm working on it.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
If anybody wants to help fund that expansion, to give
me a cause, Okay, am I taking calls on the
funding of the expansion.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Rosland. I got a question.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Can persons who had cancer get PRP or stem cells?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Are they?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Are there any exclusionary medical conditions where people should not
get this kind of treatment?
Speaker 5 (15:50):
So the contraindications with receiving any of the stem cell
products non OPUREPGLI or stem cells, is recent history of
cancer within five years okay? Or organ transplant? Oh, but well,
able to get their own blood, so we can do
PRP the play average plasma with their own blood.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah, because PRP are just recycling. You're not bringing in
any any sort of different things foreign. Yeah, text or
if it's been so if it's been more than five
years since since a cancer incident, that would.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Be okay, a remission.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I'm trying to get the rest of these. We've got
a couple of minutes left. I have cartilage damage in
the ankle making running painful. I've done PRP, which didn't
have an effect, and was wondering if stem cell works
well in the ankles, because ankles that seems like a
tough one.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Yeah, I mean it works well in any area of
the body. You know, they're similar products but different. And
if they've tried the PRP, I think it would be
worth trying the stem cell for sure, or the pear
panano jelly before you know, going anything more invasive.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
This question said anything about Bunyan's surgery for that sounds awful,
says this texter.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Well, I mean the bunyan is actually bone overgrowth right side.
We can help with the pain piece of it, for sure,
you know. That's what we could do, is help with
the pain around there, But the bunyon is something that
we medically can't fix with parp okay.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
As a matter of fact, I do. I told Rachel
this story. So Chuck had to go back and see
his orthopedis. Chuck had has hip treated like two years
ago and after having a lot of hip pain, and
he went back to his orthopedis and his orthopedis had
taken X rays like two and a half years ago,
and he said, let's just go ahead and do the
X rays of both your hips, see what's going on
two and a half years ago. His orthopedis said, you're
probably going to need a hip replacement soon. When he
(17:57):
went back, all of the rough edges on the end
of of his bone were completely smooth, and he had
gotten so much space within the joint that his orthopedis said,
you don't need a hip replacement like you have. He
has some kind of soft tissue situation that's causing pain.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
It's you know, yeah, yeah, and so yeah, the returnative
of medicine helped you know that joint get healthy and
provide more space in there.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
It's it's pretty I mean, it's pretty cool, not just
to be able to feel the difference, because you will
to be able to see the difference on X rays.
You're like, it's pretty incredible to see the before and
afters of your own X rays. And that's the experience
that I've had. Roslin, I appreciate your time today. If
people have any questions that we did not answer, and
there's a lot of them, please just call schedule a consultation,
(18:44):
go in have a one on one so you can
really answer ask all of your personal medical questions and
get the answers that you need.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Roslin, I will see you soon. That's great, all right,
thank you and Rachel. The office in Nevada can be reached.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
But again just call region rev dot com, Region rev
dot com.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
It's good to see you, my friend, you too,
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