August 19, 2025 • 15 mins
MICHELE TAFOYA JOINS ME AT 2:30 And what a fantastic career she's had! She is a fixture on NFL sidelines but if you follow her on Twitter you know she can have some very strong opinions about political stuff. She describes herself as “conservative person but I have some definite libertarian strains. I think it surprises people when I say I am a pro-choice conservative but that is the best way to describe myself.” She will be part of the Steamboat Institute's Freedom Conference THIS WEEKEND so buy your tickets here. She joins me at 2:30 for a chat. Find out more about Michele by clicking here.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And she spent a lot of time on the sidelines,
(00:02):
bringing us the trade scoop as it was happening down
on the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Well, now she has.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Moved into the world of political talk. And I got
to tell you, Michelle Tafoya, I think you're crazy because
it's miserable in here.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Right, Like sports is fun.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Everybody loves sports.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
But man, you start getting down in the nitty gritty
and you start bringing out the worst in people.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Oh thank you.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
You're not the first person who told me I was
crazy for making this decision, But I will tell you
that being in Green Bay on you know, like December
thirty first, is also miserable. So and trust me, I
was at Denver many times in the snow where I
was dying to be endorsed.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
No.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
I had a great, wonderful, wonderful sports career. I loved
every minute of it. But I just fell to calling
to do something different.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So I've got to ask you, is it harder to
be a woman on the sidelines or harder to someone
right of center in television?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
The latter for sure, someone right center. Now, I'll tell
you this, I had a blast with my colleagues. You know, Look,
I worked with John Madden and Al Michaels and then John,
then Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth, and for all of
those years we had just some wonderful conversations about.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
All kinds of things, politics included.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Look, we were covering the NFL during the twenty sixteen election,
when players were kneeling during the anthem, We had the.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Whole COVID season.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
We had so much going on that you couldn't help
but talk politics behind the scenes. Now, it's not something
we ever brought to the screen with us, but in
our meetings, at.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Our dinners all of that, they all knew.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Exactly who I was and where I stood, and everyone
was incredibly respectful, almost everyone.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
What made you the way you are? Like, what do
you credit your life experiences? What got you to the
point where you're like, you know what, I'm pretty unabashed.
I call myself a libreservative, like I am a libertarian.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Who is you know?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I would say a little more conservative than a pure libertarian.
I think based on following you on Twitter or x
I'll call it Twitter probably till I die, you were
in much of the same camp. What created that.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Well. First of all, my upbringing.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
My dad was the son of legal migrants and grew.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Up very poor. My mom grew up very poor.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
They both grew up during the Depression, extremely poor, and
so they both had an intense, insane work ethic.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And you couldn't.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Help, as one of their kids to absorb that and
understand what hard work is all about, and that when
you work hard enough, you get really lucky. It's really interesting.
The harder you work, the luckier you get. And I
just practiced that my entire life, from the time I
was a kid. Seriously, I've worked almost my entire life.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
And so because I.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Wanted the American dream that both my parents got, and
they made sure all before their kids went to college.
Neither of my parents had an exceedingly high paying job.
My mom was a public school teacher, my dad was
an aeronautical engineer. But they they made education very important
in our lives. And I'm fortunate to say I got
(03:16):
out of education somewhat unscathed, even though I went to
Berkeley for my college years, so you know, and then
I went to business school.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I got a master's in business, and.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
That will really open your eyes to a lot of
reality as opposed to some of the emotional stuff you
can learn in school, some of the sociology and all
the psychology and all this. You take a business degree,
get a master's in business, and the real world kind of.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Slapped you in the face.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
And then nine to eleven happened, and I felt for
the first time like I actually was worried for my country.
And I really love this country in spite of her
flaws past flaws. I know there's no place better on Earth.
I adopted a child from Columbia, South America. I know
there's no better place on Earth than America.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
So I love this place. I cherish it, and I see.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Things going badly certainly after nine to eleven, I did,
and I just over time, I just thought I've got
too much to say, and you can't when you're on
the number one show.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
In primetime, as Sunday Night.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Football was, you can't bring those opinions in without being
really selfish. And I was part of a team and
I signed up for that, and I knew that I
needed to keep my politics to myself. So ultimately I thought,
I got to get out of this show so I
can be who I am.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
How do I admire that about you, and I'm not
just blowing smoke up your skirt. I mean that is
there are a lot of people who don't take those
other things into consideration, and we've seen it.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
This is so random, but.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yesterday I saw an article where gal Gado is in
Israel trying to explain why snow White bombed talk about
you know, her co star really set the table for
that failure. And to your point, a lot of people
don't think about the impact that it's having. What are
some of the things that are animating you right now?
On the Michelle Tafoya podcast, which is also available on
(05:04):
all of your podcast platforms, A little plug there.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Oh yes, please dude, check it out, subscribe, never missed
an episode. Well, certainly, crime, public safety, and national security
have always seemed to me to be the very base
level requirements of people we hire to run our country,
run our cities, run our states, and they've done, in
(05:27):
many Winny ways, such an abysmal.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Job, and that affects every single person.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I don't care what your gender identity is, I don't
care what your nation, your background is, I don't care
where you come from, what your income is. Public safety
is a concern for everyone, just as national security is
for everyone. So I was big on the border. The
whole crisis under Biden was just, to me, an absolute
(05:54):
It was the most foolish thing. I think there were
reasons that was happening, but for people to stand up
there and tell us the border was closed, the border
was safe, and if you're thinking of coming, don't it
was laughable to me. So that one really animated me,
particularly because you know, I come from a family of
legal immigrants, not that many generations back, so that one, I'll.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Tell you, school choice is really high on my list.
And I.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Must say that just every day that I'm bouncing around
what you call Twitter, what we all call either Twitter
or X and I see the hypocrisy out there and
some of the arguments that aren't really arguments, the left.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Of center people.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Just shouting louder, calling names, and not really arguing their
points with real facts and real acumen.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I've been fascinated as of late, and I'm gonna be
perfectly honest with you. My audience knows I was not
an enthusiastic Trump supporter. After January sixth, I was kind
of like, I'm done. I voted for him again. He
has surprised me on so many measures. But one of
the things that I found the most shocking recently was
that you now have people on social media saying things
(07:16):
like I've lived in Washington, d C. For four years
and I was mugged once, but it's much better now.
And I'm like, wait a minute, why why is that
level of crime okay? And it's almost like there's this
weird like Stockholm syndrome all most of these people in
these big cities that their response to We're going to
do something about crime is but crime isn't that bad,
(07:39):
is it?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
And it's like, what is happening right now?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
You know?
Speaker 4 (07:43):
It reminds me of that wonderful moment during the twenty
twenty four campaign when jd Vance sat across from Martha
Raddits and say, just a few apartments.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Being overrun by Sunday Martha, do you hear yourself? Do
you hear your saw? I love that. I wanted to
make a tea sure, do you hear yourself?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Mind?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Because it was like, hey, things, you know, only a
couple of people got raped, There were only a few murders. Now, look,
we're never going to one hundred percent eradicate crime, although
there are countries that have, but they have some really
crazy laws about it, you know, cutting off the hand
of someone who steals.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
A piece of bread.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
So I understand that we're always going to have some
level of crime, but public state like people not feeling
safe right, you know, it's just insane to me. And
I've had people say to me, look, there plenty of
Americans commit crimes. Why are we so worried about illegal immigrants? Well,
there are a million ways I could go with that.
(08:40):
What would you like to you know, Yes, we have
our own issues, so why would we unnecessarily add more
from people who are not vetted that we don't know
their backgrounds, or many of them have criminal backgrounds that
we just simply let go of and ignored. I mean,
to me, it's like, you know, why are people arguing
against the really to common sense safety?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
And it's amazing.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I don't know if this was some amazing mind trick
by Trump, but he has gotten Democrats to come out
in favor of crime, and that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
He's gotten him to come out in favor of boys
and girls' sports, He's gotten him to come out in
favor of I mean, all of this insane stuff, and
you think. I think they're starting to get a hip
to it now because I did see MSNBC.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
What did you see?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Mika Brazinski actually said this DC thing is a trap.
Don't fall for it because you're going to be arguing
that DC is safe when it might be thirty percent
safer than it was a year ago when it was
the most dangerous place in the country. That kind of
stuff I find fascinating just to watch how any reflexive
reaction is usually going to be the wrong one.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Let me ask you, what are you going to.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Be talking about at the Steamboat Institute's Freedom Conference.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Well, I'm still working on that, but I'm really excited
to be there. I want to talk about the good,
the bad, and the ugly of America today, and you know,
just my story of why this is so meaningful to me.
Do you evolve a lot in life? And it's so
funny because I feel like I sound like my aunts
and uncles used to sound back in the day. These
(10:13):
kids today, you know, you're too young to understand, but
it really is amazing how young people who really haven't
experienced a lot in the world to think they have
all the answers, and I think that we have to
find better ways of communicating with those with those younger people.
And we've got the access, we've got, all the social
media platforms, we've got all that there are ways to
(10:36):
reach them. We just got to do it better. And
so that's that's going to be one of my one
of my messages.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
You know, I tell people all the time. I, you know,
grew up. I essentially was a rush baby because my
dad would make me listen to rushlan Ba on the car.
Then I went to college and became a total dirty
foot hippie liberal, like full on much of my father's
shock and horror when I came back from college, but
ultimately my brain started to kick in a way that
I would see things.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
And I'm being told.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
By my friends on the left that you know, black
is white and white is black, and and I, luckily,
I guess I had enough of a foundation to be
able to say, Okay, it doesn't make any sense, there's
no logic there. But for young people, in my view,
I tried really hard when I'm talking to a younger
person that I know is to the left of me,
instead of telling them you're wrong and you don't know
(11:24):
what you're doing. I'll say to them, let me tell
you what I've lived through that you haven't, because there's
a lot of value in just saying you just haven't
been alive long enough, right, because when you're young, you
haven't been alive long enough to have experienced these things.
Let me tell you what I experienced, so you understand
where I'm coming from. That seems to be I've found
the most effective way to just get someone to think
(11:47):
about something.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
And really, that's all you can hope for.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Is I think that think you're great.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
And I think the other way in addition to that
is asking them questions when they make a strong, brash
statement about you know, Trump is racist?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Real? Okay, really, why tell me how you know that?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Right?
Speaker 4 (12:03):
You let them try to answer their own questions and flesh.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
It out, because very often.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Very often they can't, and and then they realize it,
and and sometimes it frustrates them because they want to be.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Right so badly and they really believe that they're right.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
But you know, whatever the issue is that they feel
so strongly about, counter with some quid, Oh, we really
tell me about that?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
What do you mean? How do you how do you
experience that what do you think?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I saw Kimmel, Jimmy Kimmel, talking on some podcasts recently,
and he was saying how this administration is.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So much worse than he ever imagined, and I wanted
to say, how, what is it?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
How?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
What give me specifics? What in your life is so bad?
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Jimmy Kimmel, You know, is it your perception or is
it the fact? And very often it's perception.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Absolutely. I'm talking with Michelle Tavoya.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
She is going to be one of the speakers at
the Steamboat Institute's Freedom Conference up in Deaver Creek this weekend.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
There are still tickets of aailable.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
She is one of another amazing slate of speakers that
they have put together and you get a little bit
of everything. Guy Benson we spoke to yesterday, We've got yeah,
Oh he's hilarious. There's actually also a guy with a puppet.
See now when I come Michelle, they're like, they give
me what I like to call the hard hitting interviews.
I got to interview Kyle Berry from the Babylon b
(13:20):
one year, and then I was supposed to interview the
puppet guy. This is what they think of my you know,
interviewing style over this puppet guy.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I need to know that would be wait to see this.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Roger Rowndee, creator of Ask America with Edgar. It's a
channel on the YouTube and the kids today love it,
I think. But the event is fantastic. It's going to
be this weekend, Friday and Saturday. Tickets are still available.
I put a link on the blog. Now, Michelle, let
me ask you one more question before we let you go, Like,
you have kids, and what do you want to happen
(13:54):
in this country when you think about your kids growing
up here?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I really really, really really.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Want this turn towards socialism to be averted at all costs.
Not at all costs, but at reasonable costs. This candidate's
like Mom, Donnie, I live here in Minnesota. We've got
a mayoral candidate, Amama Fata, who is basically an Islamist extremist,
(14:24):
and he's got the Democrat endorsement in Minneapolis. So I
feel like some of the ideology, the ideological ship is
starting to turn around. But some of these developments are
really telling, and I don't think they're going to stop
with Mom Donnie and Fata, and I think people need
to start getting their courage back to stand up to
(14:47):
some of this stuff that we know is antithetical to
what our ideals are here.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
It's not a thing.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
It's not about being prejudiced or xenophobic. It's about do
people share our values?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Period.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I agree wholeheartedly. Michelle Tavoy. By the way, check out
what just happened in Bolivia. Socialism fails again in real
time in Bolivia where it's happening again. So I would
like to point this out. I was an early adopter
of watching Venezuela. When I first got my first show
back in two thousand and five, my program director was like,
what why are we talking about Venezuela, And I was like,
cause we're going to watch that nation fall.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
In real time.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
We're going to live through that history because it's going
to the same thing that's going to happen everywhere it happens.
And about ten years later, that guy who I no
longer worked with called me and said, I now understand
why you're watching Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I'm like, it's my hobby, that's what I do.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Michelle Tafoya, I'm so sad I'm not gonna be able
to meet you this weekend, but I know you're gonna
have a badful topic.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
It's great, great to talk with you. I'd love to
do it again.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Absolutely, Michelle. Michelle Tafoya podcast. You can hear on all
your podcast platforms or visit Michelle tafoya dot com. Both
linked on the blog today.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Thanks Michelle, thank you. That is Michelle Tafoya. She's awesome.
And she spent a lot of time on the sidelines,
(00:02):
bringing us the trade scoop as it was happening down
on the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Well, now she has.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Moved into the world of political talk. And I got
to tell you, Michelle Tafoya, I think you're crazy because
it's miserable in here.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Right, Like sports is fun.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Everybody loves sports.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
But man, you start getting down in the nitty gritty
and you start bringing out the worst in people.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Oh thank you.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
You're not the first person who told me I was
crazy for making this decision, But I will tell you
that being in Green Bay on you know, like December
thirty first, is also miserable. So and trust me, I
was at Denver many times in the snow where I
was dying to be endorsed.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
No.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
I had a great, wonderful, wonderful sports career. I loved
every minute of it. But I just fell to calling
to do something different.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So I've got to ask you, is it harder to
be a woman on the sidelines or harder to someone
right of center in television?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
The latter for sure, someone right center. Now, I'll tell
you this, I had a blast with my colleagues. You know, Look,
I worked with John Madden and Al Michaels and then John,
then Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth, and for all of
those years we had just some wonderful conversations about.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
All kinds of things, politics included.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Look, we were covering the NFL during the twenty sixteen election,
when players were kneeling during the anthem, We had the.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Whole COVID season.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
We had so much going on that you couldn't help
but talk politics behind the scenes. Now, it's not something
we ever brought to the screen with us, but in
our meetings, at.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Our dinners all of that, they all knew.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Exactly who I was and where I stood, and everyone
was incredibly respectful, almost everyone.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
What made you the way you are? Like, what do
you credit your life experiences? What got you to the
point where you're like, you know what, I'm pretty unabashed.
I call myself a libreservative, like I am a libertarian.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Who is you know?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I would say a little more conservative than a pure libertarian.
I think based on following you on Twitter or x
I'll call it Twitter probably till I die, you were
in much of the same camp. What created that.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Well. First of all, my upbringing.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
My dad was the son of legal migrants and grew.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Up very poor. My mom grew up very poor.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
They both grew up during the Depression, extremely poor, and
so they both had an intense, insane work ethic.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And you couldn't.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Help, as one of their kids to absorb that and
understand what hard work is all about, and that when
you work hard enough, you get really lucky. It's really interesting.
The harder you work, the luckier you get. And I
just practiced that my entire life, from the time I
was a kid. Seriously, I've worked almost my entire life.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
And so because I.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Wanted the American dream that both my parents got, and
they made sure all before their kids went to college.
Neither of my parents had an exceedingly high paying job.
My mom was a public school teacher, my dad was
an aeronautical engineer. But they they made education very important
in our lives. And I'm fortunate to say I got
(03:16):
out of education somewhat unscathed, even though I went to
Berkeley for my college years, so you know, and then
I went to business school.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I got a master's in business, and.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
That will really open your eyes to a lot of
reality as opposed to some of the emotional stuff you
can learn in school, some of the sociology and all
the psychology and all this. You take a business degree,
get a master's in business, and the real world kind of.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Slapped you in the face.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
And then nine to eleven happened, and I felt for
the first time like I actually was worried for my country.
And I really love this country in spite of her
flaws past flaws. I know there's no place better on Earth.
I adopted a child from Columbia, South America. I know
there's no better place on Earth than America.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
So I love this place. I cherish it, and I see.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Things going badly certainly after nine to eleven, I did,
and I just over time, I just thought I've got
too much to say, and you can't when you're on
the number one show.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
In primetime, as Sunday Night.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Football was, you can't bring those opinions in without being
really selfish. And I was part of a team and
I signed up for that, and I knew that I
needed to keep my politics to myself. So ultimately I thought,
I got to get out of this show so I
can be who I am.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
How do I admire that about you, and I'm not
just blowing smoke up your skirt. I mean that is
there are a lot of people who don't take those
other things into consideration, and we've seen it.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
This is so random, but.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yesterday I saw an article where gal Gado is in
Israel trying to explain why snow White bombed talk about
you know, her co star really set the table for
that failure. And to your point, a lot of people
don't think about the impact that it's having. What are
some of the things that are animating you right now?
On the Michelle Tafoya podcast, which is also available on
(05:04):
all of your podcast platforms, A little plug there.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Oh yes, please dude, check it out, subscribe, never missed
an episode. Well, certainly, crime, public safety, and national security
have always seemed to me to be the very base
level requirements of people we hire to run our country,
run our cities, run our states, and they've done, in
(05:27):
many Winny ways, such an abysmal.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Job, and that affects every single person.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I don't care what your gender identity is, I don't
care what your nation, your background is, I don't care
where you come from, what your income is. Public safety
is a concern for everyone, just as national security is
for everyone. So I was big on the border. The
whole crisis under Biden was just, to me, an absolute
(05:54):
It was the most foolish thing. I think there were
reasons that was happening, but for people to stand up
there and tell us the border was closed, the border
was safe, and if you're thinking of coming, don't it
was laughable to me. So that one really animated me,
particularly because you know, I come from a family of
legal immigrants, not that many generations back, so that one, I'll.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Tell you, school choice is really high on my list.
And I.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Must say that just every day that I'm bouncing around
what you call Twitter, what we all call either Twitter
or X and I see the hypocrisy out there and
some of the arguments that aren't really arguments, the left.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Of center people.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Just shouting louder, calling names, and not really arguing their
points with real facts and real acumen.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I've been fascinated as of late, and I'm gonna be
perfectly honest with you. My audience knows I was not
an enthusiastic Trump supporter. After January sixth, I was kind
of like, I'm done. I voted for him again. He
has surprised me on so many measures. But one of
the things that I found the most shocking recently was
that you now have people on social media saying things
(07:16):
like I've lived in Washington, d C. For four years
and I was mugged once, but it's much better now.
And I'm like, wait a minute, why why is that
level of crime okay? And it's almost like there's this
weird like Stockholm syndrome all most of these people in
these big cities that their response to We're going to
do something about crime is but crime isn't that bad,
(07:39):
is it?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
And it's like, what is happening right now?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
You know?
Speaker 4 (07:43):
It reminds me of that wonderful moment during the twenty
twenty four campaign when jd Vance sat across from Martha
Raddits and say, just a few apartments.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Being overrun by Sunday Martha, do you hear yourself? Do
you hear your saw? I love that. I wanted to
make a tea sure, do you hear yourself?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Mind?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Because it was like, hey, things, you know, only a
couple of people got raped, There were only a few murders. Now, look,
we're never going to one hundred percent eradicate crime, although
there are countries that have, but they have some really
crazy laws about it, you know, cutting off the hand
of someone who steals.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
A piece of bread.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
So I understand that we're always going to have some
level of crime, but public state like people not feeling
safe right, you know, it's just insane to me. And
I've had people say to me, look, there plenty of
Americans commit crimes. Why are we so worried about illegal immigrants? Well,
there are a million ways I could go with that.
(08:40):
What would you like to you know, Yes, we have
our own issues, so why would we unnecessarily add more
from people who are not vetted that we don't know
their backgrounds, or many of them have criminal backgrounds that
we just simply let go of and ignored. I mean,
to me, it's like, you know, why are people arguing
against the really to common sense safety?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
And it's amazing.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I don't know if this was some amazing mind trick
by Trump, but he has gotten Democrats to come out
in favor of crime, and that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
He's gotten him to come out in favor of boys
and girls' sports, He's gotten him to come out in
favor of I mean, all of this insane stuff, and
you think. I think they're starting to get a hip
to it now because I did see MSNBC.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
What did you see?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Mika Brazinski actually said this DC thing is a trap.
Don't fall for it because you're going to be arguing
that DC is safe when it might be thirty percent
safer than it was a year ago when it was
the most dangerous place in the country. That kind of
stuff I find fascinating just to watch how any reflexive
reaction is usually going to be the wrong one.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Let me ask you, what are you going to.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Be talking about at the Steamboat Institute's Freedom Conference.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Well, I'm still working on that, but I'm really excited
to be there. I want to talk about the good,
the bad, and the ugly of America today, and you know,
just my story of why this is so meaningful to me.
Do you evolve a lot in life? And it's so
funny because I feel like I sound like my aunts
and uncles used to sound back in the day. These
(10:13):
kids today, you know, you're too young to understand, but
it really is amazing how young people who really haven't
experienced a lot in the world to think they have
all the answers, and I think that we have to
find better ways of communicating with those with those younger people.
And we've got the access, we've got, all the social
media platforms, we've got all that there are ways to
(10:36):
reach them. We just got to do it better. And
so that's that's going to be one of my one
of my messages.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
You know, I tell people all the time. I, you know,
grew up. I essentially was a rush baby because my
dad would make me listen to rushlan Ba on the car.
Then I went to college and became a total dirty
foot hippie liberal, like full on much of my father's
shock and horror when I came back from college, but
ultimately my brain started to kick in a way that
I would see things.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
And I'm being told.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
By my friends on the left that you know, black
is white and white is black, and and I, luckily,
I guess I had enough of a foundation to be
able to say, Okay, it doesn't make any sense, there's
no logic there. But for young people, in my view,
I tried really hard when I'm talking to a younger
person that I know is to the left of me,
instead of telling them you're wrong and you don't know
(11:24):
what you're doing. I'll say to them, let me tell
you what I've lived through that you haven't, because there's
a lot of value in just saying you just haven't
been alive long enough, right, because when you're young, you
haven't been alive long enough to have experienced these things.
Let me tell you what I experienced, so you understand
where I'm coming from. That seems to be I've found
the most effective way to just get someone to think
(11:47):
about something.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
And really, that's all you can hope for.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Is I think that think you're great.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
And I think the other way in addition to that
is asking them questions when they make a strong, brash
statement about you know, Trump is racist?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Real? Okay, really, why tell me how you know that?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Right?
Speaker 4 (12:03):
You let them try to answer their own questions and flesh.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
It out, because very often.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Very often they can't, and and then they realize it,
and and sometimes it frustrates them because they want to be.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Right so badly and they really believe that they're right.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
But you know, whatever the issue is that they feel
so strongly about, counter with some quid, Oh, we really
tell me about that?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
What do you mean? How do you how do you
experience that what do you think?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I saw Kimmel, Jimmy Kimmel, talking on some podcasts recently,
and he was saying how this administration is.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So much worse than he ever imagined, and I wanted
to say, how, what is it?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
How?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
What give me specifics? What in your life is so bad?
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Jimmy Kimmel, You know, is it your perception or is
it the fact? And very often it's perception.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Absolutely. I'm talking with Michelle Tavoya.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
She is going to be one of the speakers at
the Steamboat Institute's Freedom Conference up in Deaver Creek this weekend.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
There are still tickets of aailable.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
She is one of another amazing slate of speakers that
they have put together and you get a little bit
of everything. Guy Benson we spoke to yesterday, We've got yeah,
Oh he's hilarious. There's actually also a guy with a puppet.
See now when I come Michelle, they're like, they give
me what I like to call the hard hitting interviews.
I got to interview Kyle Berry from the Babylon b
(13:20):
one year, and then I was supposed to interview the
puppet guy. This is what they think of my you know,
interviewing style over this puppet guy.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I need to know that would be wait to see this.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Roger Rowndee, creator of Ask America with Edgar. It's a
channel on the YouTube and the kids today love it,
I think. But the event is fantastic. It's going to
be this weekend, Friday and Saturday. Tickets are still available.
I put a link on the blog. Now, Michelle, let
me ask you one more question before we let you go, Like,
you have kids, and what do you want to happen
(13:54):
in this country when you think about your kids growing
up here?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I really really, really really.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Want this turn towards socialism to be averted at all costs.
Not at all costs, but at reasonable costs. This candidate's
like Mom, Donnie, I live here in Minnesota. We've got
a mayoral candidate, Amama Fata, who is basically an Islamist extremist,
(14:24):
and he's got the Democrat endorsement in Minneapolis. So I
feel like some of the ideology, the ideological ship is
starting to turn around. But some of these developments are
really telling, and I don't think they're going to stop
with Mom Donnie and Fata, and I think people need
to start getting their courage back to stand up to
(14:47):
some of this stuff that we know is antithetical to
what our ideals are here.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
It's not a thing.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
It's not about being prejudiced or xenophobic. It's about do
people share our values?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Period.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I agree wholeheartedly. Michelle Tavoy. By the way, check out
what just happened in Bolivia. Socialism fails again in real
time in Bolivia where it's happening again. So I would
like to point this out. I was an early adopter
of watching Venezuela. When I first got my first show
back in two thousand and five, my program director was like,
what why are we talking about Venezuela, And I was like,
cause we're going to watch that nation fall.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
In real time.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
We're going to live through that history because it's going
to the same thing that's going to happen everywhere it happens.
And about ten years later, that guy who I no
longer worked with called me and said, I now understand
why you're watching Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I'm like, it's my hobby, that's what I do.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Michelle Tafoya, I'm so sad I'm not gonna be able
to meet you this weekend, but I know you're gonna
have a badful topic.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
It's great, great to talk with you. I'd love to
do it again.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Absolutely, Michelle. Michelle Tafoya podcast. You can hear on all
your podcast platforms or visit Michelle tafoya dot com. Both
linked on the blog today.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Thanks Michelle, thank you. That is Michelle Tafoya. She's awesome.
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