09-04-25 FULL SHOW - What Is The Forward Party All About, And Race In Medicine

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 4 (00:26):
Welcome you another edition of The Mandy Connell Show. It
is Thursday. I'm your host for the next three hours.
Mandy Connell. See, it's really fortunate that I have the
same name as the show, right, so convenient. I think
it gave me an edge when I applied for the job.
Anthony Rodriguez sitting over there, looking a wee bit tired
from his big adventure last night, the Lincoln Park.

Speaker 5 (00:49):
Show, which was give me a review, incredible, Everything I
Want and more, nostalgic, angsty, beautiful.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
I was going to ask if you kind of had,
like you do you have like a moment where they
started to play a song and it kind of took
you back to that high school, college age when you were,
you know, like a super fan of Lincoln Park. Because
I will tell you when I see a band that
I grew up with and they play that one song,
it's like I find myself getting a little misty sometimes.

Speaker 5 (01:20):
Uh moment the whole thing were at the moments from
start to finish, from standing in line starting at four
in the afternoon and the blazing heat to them coming
on stage at nine o'clock and then all the way
through almost to eleven o'clock. Entire thing felt like that. Yeah,
and everyone in that venue, I think felt like that.
That's awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
I'm happy for you because I'm now at the stage
of life where I'm like, oh God, I better go
see this band before someone dies. I unfortunately Lincoln Park obviously, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
I unfortunately I did wash my hands even after high
fiving Mike Shanoda, literally because I was Mike Shanoda.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
For our listeners who don't know about Lincoln Park.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
Essentially the code lead of Lincoln Park, the guy the
other Chelis who plays every other instrument as well.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
He's the guy now with Lincoln Park, with Chester having
the heart beat have Lincoln Park.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
Yes, absolutely, I think it's the easiest way to incredible
show start to finish, filled everything on need of mine.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
I'm thrilled that you have that kind of experience. There's
nothing worse than going to see one of your favorite
bands and it's horrible. And I've had that experience more
than once.

Speaker 5 (02:20):
Yeah, I mean, and it very well may not be
the last link of Park show I go to because
they're in their new era with their new lead singer,
and they are making phenomenal music again. So maybe there
a chick now. Yes, how is Emily Armstrong? She's fantastic.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
I was a little word.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
Going into the show, not because of how good I
think she's because I think them her and the new
album is great. It's that she's super hardcore scream o
and this is a little deeper in the two where
I was a little concerned with that live wouldn't have
judged it if so. But she was fantastic. Did all
the OG songs fantastic? Chester Bennington r Ip would have definitely.
I think enjoyed their new direction.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
And her so good. That's a very good review of
last night's Lincoln Park show. Let's go to the blog
because we got a lot of stuff to talk about.
And then our crack news director Rob Dawson drops something
in my lap that I have to share with you guys.
It's a new poll of Denver residence. I don't know
if it's Denver voters. I haven't had a chance to
dig deep into it when you hear their view on

(03:18):
socialism versus capitalism. I don't think you're going to be surprised.
I certainly wasn't surprised, but I literally started laughing because
people are so dumb. We're seeing it now in New
York City. Socialism is having a moment for a couple
of reasons. Number One, schools have been teaching America bad
capitalism bad. We're the problem, We're the oppressor, We're the

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thing that's wrong with the world for thirty years now.
They've also been ignoring how socialism ends up right. They've
just been downplaying the fact that people in Venezuela were
reduced to eating zoo animals at one point. People in
Cuba cannot get treated for a significant illness. People in

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Cuba are still driving cars from the nineteen fifties that
were made in America. They don't talk about that in school.
So now all of these young skulls full of mush
have come out and decided that socialism, you know, it
sounds like super cool. I think it sounds like super
cool to not have a profit motive, because profit motives
are inherently evil. It's the ultimate example of oppressor versus

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the oppressed worker that's viewing all the work and actually
creating whatever it is. And then the owner, the greedy
owner who's just sitting there in the corner avs not
doing anything, reaps all the rewards. I mean, this is
the logic we're gonna get into that I'm gonna give myself. Literally,
Rob just emailed it to me seconds before the show started,

(04:44):
So on the break, I'm going to go through the
rest of it really quickly and see what other kind
of idiocy we can see. So I don't even know how.
I'd love to have the opportunity to ask a pollow
up question of these people, and that is where has
socialism worked? Where do you believe it works? Because then
we can start to drill down on what the word

(05:06):
works actually means. A lot of young people look at
the Scandinavian nations and say, well, they have they have
an incredibly generous welfare system and people are taken care
of and you don't have to worry about things. Well,
they also pay out the wazoo in taxes. So I'd
love to be able to ask these young people, are
you willing to pay twenty percent of your income right now?

(05:27):
When you're not making a lot of money when you're
at the lowest end of this. Are you willing to
pay twenty percent of your income to the government? Okay,
if that is yes, Now as you get more successful,
are you willing to pay fifty percent of your income
to the government? Because the tax burden in the Scandinavian
countries is over fifty percent when you add it all in.
The tax burden in many European nations is over fifty

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percent when you add everything together. That's why people in
Europe they don't own anything. They don't own apartments because
they can't afford it. They don't own cars because they
can't afford them. They can't afford to drive because gas
is so expensive. Like what lifestyle things are you willing
to give up? In the United States of America to
make this happen? Because nobody ever asks about what are

(06:10):
you willing to sacrifice to make this happen? You want
single pay or health care? Are you willing to wait
eighteen months for a surgery that your doctor says you needs?
Are you willing to wait for it? What are you
willing to trade in order to get this socialist utopia
that you so desire. The other part about socialism that
everybody kind of shoves to the side. In the United

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States of America, the way our government is set up,
we have protections for the needs and desires of the minority. Right,
and I'm not talking about racial minorities. I'm talking about
people that hold political views that are different than the
political views of those in the majority. We just saw
it happen where we have to use these special machinations

(06:55):
to get through the big beautiful bill because otherwise you
have to pay attention and to the needs of the minority.
Socialism is all about, Hey, you got fifty point one
percent of the people that agree, Sorry about the other
forty nine point nine percent. So you don't care about
the minority. What about the people who don't want to
do things that way? What about the people who want

(07:15):
more choices? What about the people who have a great
idea for a business but don't necessarily want to do
it because they're not going to reap the benefits. The
thinking on this is so short sighted and so aggravating.
We'll get back to that. Let me tell you what's
coming up. Find the blog by going to mandy'sblog dot com.
That's mandy'sblog dot com. And when you do, look for

(07:37):
the headline that says nine to four twenty five blog
what is the Forward Party all about? And race in medicine?
Click on that and here are the headlines you will
find within anybe with someone.

Speaker 6 (07:48):
Who office half of American always ships and clipments and
say that's going to press.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Plant today on the blog the Forward Party is offering alternatives.
A physicians group files a grievance over race based programs.
Colorado wants more money? Can we talk first jobs for
a minute. When HGTV leaves town DURINGO is a hot
bed of racism? How can school ratings go up if

(08:12):
kids can't read or do math? There needs to be
more sharing about bad cops. Could an eight drug help
stroke victims? Stop looking at your phone? On the Crapper
power ball is one point seven million. The media accepts
more propaganda about Israel unquestionably, could Barry Weiss be taking
over CBS News? The Aurora City Council protesters but clown themselves.

(08:34):
Hey burg Nerds, the stork is in town. You can
get a COVID vaccine without a script. Now it's time
to ooput it up At Octoberfest about assisted suicide. What
will WEIMO be like in Denver?

Speaker 6 (08:47):
No?

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Absolutely not, no way never. Why I don't trust the
CDC anymore? Why I don't trust the American Medical Association anymore?
The Chicago trip calls out the mayor and the governor.
Florida is doing away with vaccine. Stuff to do this
weekend pictures for Santa Did you see China's big military parade?
A Rod had a killer dime at Lincoln Park last night.

(09:10):
Those are the headlines on the blog at mandy'sblog dot
com at tech tow a winner. Thank you Nancy. If
you doubt that a Rod got an amazing placement in
his floor venture, just go look at the pictures that
we just posted on the blog Touching the bar. I
mean it looks like you were on stage with them.

(09:31):
Yes it does. It's pretty amazing. Yes it was, Yeah,
very very cool. There you go. Those are the pictures
at the very bottom of the blog. You can check
them out. Got a lot of stuff coming up with
the show today. I got a little frog in my
throat one moment. Please. You may have heard about the
Forward Party. The Forward Party is offering itself as an

(09:54):
alternative and there's a lot about the Forward Party that
I like, but one area where their own website it
seems to be lacking is let's talk about spending now.
For me, spending is the most critical issue that we
are facing right now in the United States of America.
I truly believe that because just like other empires before us,

(10:16):
and yes, I do believe that we have the American Empire.
And if you only think of empires like the British
Empire that had colonies all over the world, most empires
throughout history have been contiguous land masses like ours, there
is no doubt that we have exerted empire like force
all around the world. And just like other empires, were

(10:38):
following all other empires down the exact same path. And
that path is we get fat and lazy. And I
don't mean like physically, although we are, and we take
too much for granted, which means we start to look
at things like socialism and we spend ourselves into oblivion.
It's what happened to ancient Rome. It made them right
for invasion and overthrow. It's been the same pattern has

(11:02):
happened over and over and over and over again. So
for me, if we want to buck the trend of
being a two hundred and fifty year empire, which is
the average age. Then we need to do something significant
about the debt and the Forward Party, though they do
a lot of stuff that I think is super interesting,
and I like, I don't see any talk about debt

(11:23):
and deficit because at some point, all the spending we're
doing on all these little special interest projects will be
no longer will no longer be able to do it,
and then what happens, Well, it's never good. So we're
going to talk to Dave Ryan from the Forward Party
here in Colorado at one o'clock to find out more
about the Forward Party. If you're looking for a political home,

(11:45):
you may find it there at once, so stick around
for that. And then at two point thirty, I have
a guy named doctor Kurt Masseli. He's with a group
called Do No Harm, and they have just filed a
complaint about the University of Connecticut. Their medical school is
advertising medical externships, but they're advertising medical externships as a

(12:11):
pipeline for students of color. They have put race requirements
on these externships, which is clearly racist and clearly in
violation of the rules that say you should not be
giving people preference or excluding them because of their race.
We're going to talk to him about that, but I
also want to talk Do No Harm as an interesting organization,

(12:32):
and I'll let him get into a little bit more
about what Do No Harm does. But Do No Harm
is trying to protect healthcare from the disastrous consequences of
identity politics. And I'm really looking forward to talking to
him because i want to ask him about a story
that I was told and I've been unable to confirm it.

(12:54):
I have reached out to the Columbia School of Medicine
at Columbia University asking for someone to get back to
me to confirm or deny a story that I was
told about a doctor who was at the end of
his schooling to be an obstetric gynecologist. In OBGYN, and
as part of the final exam, the students have to

(13:14):
perform a pelvic exam on a patient right to demonstrate
their proficiency in performing such an exam. And one student
came in to do his exam, and they're done on
real people, they're done on volunteers, and they're done in
front of a panel of people that are going to
judge you on how well you do this. And he
came in to do his pelvic exam to be an obgyn,

(13:35):
and the patient that they brought him was a trans
woman who still had a penis, and he had to
pretend to do a pelvic exam on a man with
a penis. And let me just say this, from what
I've been told, the man patient was enjoying his experience,

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as was evidenced by the state of his manhood. And
I'm just going to leave it that. So I'm gonna
ask doctor Masseli if he's heard anything about that, and
if he hasn't, I'm gonna set him on that. Can
you imagine. I know you've got a ton of dudes
that are listening to this, and you know, a pelvic
exam for a woman is not at all fun Like

(14:17):
you guys are always concerned like, oh, you got to
check my prostate the old fashioned way, and we all
know what that means.

Speaker 7 (14:22):
Right.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
A pelvic exam for a woman is about ten times
more invasive than that, right, And it's a necessary thing.
But it's horrible. It's just not it's not good. It's
not a thing that I love. And yet we've been
subject to these because no one's come up with a
better way to do this, and now they're letting doctors
who are going to be performing this on women practice

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on men. You don't have a vagina or a cervix,
or a uterus or any of the other woman parts,
And I don't even know what to do with that.
So we'll talk to him at about the other and
then I'm gonna kind of set him on that at
Columbia's Medical School a little bit later. Now in the meantime,
I've got a bunch of stuff that I want to
talk about today, and I want to start with with

(15:11):
a quick, a quick interesting story. I think it's interesting anyway,
because we talked to the mayor of Fort Morgan after
HGTV came to Fort Morgan, Colorado to do their hometown takeover.
And the whole purpose of the hometown takeover is to
sort of help these small towns that may have been
struggling and maybe having you know there there, they're they're

(15:33):
losing residents because there's not a lot of opportunity there,
that kind of stuff. So I spoke to the mayor
of Fort Morgan right after they were there, and the
mayor actually we spoke to a spokesperson, not the mayor.
They were all enthusiastic. They were excited about the changes
that had been made, and Fort Morgan got a real
glow up. But we haven't really heard anything since, and

(15:54):
it's been a couple of years. So there's an interesting
column today from The Rocky Mountain and it's by a
pastor named Drake Hunter. And now mister Hunter seems to
have a real issue with the fact that HGTV told
a very specific story about Fort Morgan by focusing on

(16:18):
immigrant owned businesses, an LGBTQ cafe, and historic landmarks. Now
his point is, look, those are all port of Fort
Morgan's fabric, but that's not the story. That's not even
remotely close to the full story. He also says, look,
you know, a couple of the things that they worked
on are god Zazzy Cafe, which was featured prominently, is

(16:41):
now closed. The Queen Lounge is still open and lively.
The Rainbow Bridge remains a proud marker. He says, Mosquitoes
continues to thrive, but not much else has happened for
Fort Morgan. And the reason I'm bringing this up is
not to pick on Fort Morgan, because I think Fort
Morgan is just an indicator of something that is happening

(17:01):
in small towns across Colorado and the United States, and
that is, how do you revive a small town? How
do you save a small town? Right? How do you
prevent too many people from leaving? Now, we saw in
COVID that a lot of people decided in COVID that

(17:24):
they wanted more space, they wanted more room, and with
the rise of remote work, people were able to move
into smaller towns. As long as they had great Internet,
they could go and they could buy a house, they
could afford, they could have a lifestyle that wasn't you know,
dedicated to just keeping up you know, rent payments, and
it really worked for people. Well, guess what's happening now

(17:45):
now companies are starting hardcore return to office edicts. I
had a story on the blog earlier this week about Amazon.
When Amazon first got started, Jeff Bezos adopted what he
called first day mentality, And first day mentality is basically,
we are a startup, we have no extra money, we've
got to figure out creative ways to do things for

(18:07):
almost nothing, and we've got to have that sort of
startup mentality. Well, they've got a new CEO in now,
and he's working very hard to bring that mentality back
to Amazon, because like every other big tech or any
other big corporation, you end up with kind of layers
of fat. You end up with things that are inefficient
and are not working well. You lose touch with the

(18:28):
sort of drive and energy that got you to where
you are now. And Amazon is not immune to that.
So now he's issued a hardcore return to work edict.
And I'm thinking to myself, this could be even more
devastating for small towns. So I would love to ask
you guys, like, if you live in one of these
small towns, are your kids staying. If they are staying,
what are they staying for? What is your small town

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doing to attract, you know, opportunities for the young people
in your community, Because I have to tell you, I'm
from what a very small town when I was growing
up in Florida, in northern Florida, no beaches near us,
and I am so grateful that so many people in
my small town stayed there to start businesses and do

(19:13):
things and keep the town vibrant and growing. And now
it's not even a small town. And now I don't
know any it used to be. When you go to
the grocery store, you see like fifty people you knew.

Speaker 7 (19:22):
Now.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
Granted I haven't lived there in thirty years, but I
don't know anybody when I go there now, which might
be a good thing. But nonetheless, I think about this
stuff all the time because I think small town living
is outstanding. I live in the Metro area because this
is where the money is, right, I mean, this is
where the money is. But I fully intend on retiring
to a small town where you can go into a

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cafe and find people you know. But I'm curious, do you, guys,
if you're living in one of these outlying small communities,
what are you seeing? What are you trying to do
to give young people a reason to stay? What are
you doing to womb new young people to your area?
Because without young people who are having kids, the schools

(20:06):
shut down.

Speaker 8 (20:07):
Right.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
Without young people, perhaps you don't have new businesses as
as rapidly as you would other ways. So I'm just curious, Mandy,
what do they call the person who graduated last in
their class from medical school? Doctor?

Speaker 5 (20:20):
Yep?

Speaker 4 (20:21):
And to the text through giggles, when I say penis
and vagina, there's another giggle for you, Mandy. This is
cameraon in Alabama, formerly Chyenne. We listened to you at
work and about ten grown ass man just giggled when
you said penis and vagina two. Okay, there, all of
you just twitter your little selves away anyway, Mandy, I

(20:43):
arn't advertising needs of variety. I've heard a commercial about
fencing the sports seventeen times since seven am today. I
will now be anti fencing for the rest of my life.
Textor I'm assuming you're listening to the stream. That has
been an ongoing complaint, and that's unfortunate because we have
a ton of people listening to the stream, but advertisers
don't know it. I mean, they're just not paying attention

(21:05):
and they could be getting all that commercial time and
you wouldn't have to hear about fancying. That's neither here
nor there. Lots of you were just texting the word penis.
This is a show for grown ups, by grown ups,
and we use medically accurate terms on this program, Ladies
and gentlemen, Mandy went to a high school with a
population of thirty thousand. You would wave your hand off

(21:27):
when driving through town. If you skip school, your mom
would know before you got home kind of fun. But
my wrestling coach told me, if I could leave, do it.
He got stuck there. I did escape.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
See.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Now, I experienced this a lot in Kentucky, and I
know that you're gonna think to yourself, who wouldn't want
to get out of Kentucky?

Speaker 6 (21:45):
Y'all?

Speaker 4 (21:45):
There's really lovely parts of the Commonwealth of Kentucky. I mean,
parts of that state are beautiful, and Louisville's a super cool,
like hip town with great restaurant It's just it's not
what you think it is, right. But I met so
many people in Kentucky that literally acted like they were
chained to the state and that they had no other

(22:08):
options to get out, and that they were just stuck
there for the rest of their lives. Now, I understand
some people don't want to move away from their family.
I get it, and I think that it's really hard
to move away from your family. And I think the
fact that so many people have moved away from family
is one of the reasons that people are not having
as many babies, because you don't have that family support

(22:29):
around you. But the greatest thing about the United States
of America is our portability if I don't like what
Colorado's doing, I can move to another state if. As
a matter of fact, today on the blog Perfect example,
Florida is doing away with vaccine mandates. Now, as a
freedom lover, I like this, But do I think it's
a great idea in the long term for the overall

(22:50):
health of students in Florida. I don't think so, but
not because I think vaccines are the end all be all.
I do think that their vaccines that we should probably say,
can we all decide that nobody wants polio right and
that we have we have one hundred years of safety
and efficacy for polio. The reason I worry about that
is because we have so many people coming in from

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third world countries that are not vaccinated and are bringing
weird diseases with them. And that's not a knock, that's
just a comment on the medical system in Central American countries.
But we in Colorado can watch what happens in the
state of Florida. Well, you now see this little incubator

(23:31):
of what's gonna happen when they do away with vaccine mandates.
It's either gonna be fine or it's not. But we
in Colorado can watch and see what happens, and now
we have this example that we can kind of look at.
So I think it's sad though, when people have that
I got stuck and there's nowhere I can go. I
get it. I understand it. You have family, all, I

(23:52):
get it. I guess I just didn't like my family
enough to ever get stuck. Mandy, it's hard to move
away from family when you're married to your relatives. Stop it.
I'm not saying that doesn't happen in Kentucky, but not everyone, Mandy.
I live in a small town Ohio, and some of
the small towns have more jobs than people. In Ohio.
You can't turn your head without seeing a small town

(24:14):
or water tower. Some of the better small towns are
growing like crazy. It's a stark contrast to Colorado and Wyoming,
where a lot of the small towns with no industry
are slowly turning into ghost towns. Now Ohio, those is
very interesting. And I know a lot about Ohio because
Chuck is from Ohio and my kids live in Ohio.

(24:35):
Ohio has already had their sort of state contraction, and
it happened a long time ago. As a matter of fact,
if you read hillbilly elogy. You might know some of
this stuff because Jadvans talked about it extensively in that book.
By the way, that book is great. I don't care
how you feel about Jadvance. That book is such an

(24:55):
interesting window into the psyche of the people of the
Apple area. It's fascinating, really really well done. But one
of the things he talks about is like all these
people from eastern Kentucky moved up into Ohio to work
at tire factories and things like that. Well, a lot
of that industry has gone bust, and it went busted
a while ago. So Ohio is now having more of

(25:18):
a renaissance because they've had to diversify their economy and
they've really worked very hard to bring new industry in.
They have done really interesting things with regulation and taxation,
and it's made the economy a little more manageable. It's
just challenging in Colorado when you're dealing with all the
idiocy from the state to do something new and innovative. Mandy,

(25:39):
in reference to Fort Morgan, have you ever seen the
curse with Nathan Fielder?

Speaker 9 (25:43):
I have not.

Speaker 6 (25:45):
I have not.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
This Textra said, I got my first prostate exam last week.
I'm never going to that dentist again. I'll just let
that joke just be there. Mandy, I live on a
lake Mac but work in the small town of Ogalawa.
They just open as track casino in a town of
forty five hundred. Every kid goes to college and a
lot of them come back. But what do they do
when they come back? That's the thing. You can go

(26:09):
to college and come back. But if there's not a
job for you, if there's not opportunity for you, that uh,
that is a huge part of the problem. Huge part
of the problem. Mandy's spending is a problem. Going back
to my conversations about the Forward Party, Trump doesn't seem
to care how much are we saving with him in office.
Remember he added seven point eight trillion to the national

(26:30):
debt last time he was in office. This has been
one of my biggest, most consistent knocks on Donald Trump.
He is not a fiscal hawk, really really not at all,
and that's been very because for me, the debt and
the deficit is the number one issue. Just absolutely, Okay,
you guys, stop with the Kentucky joke. Some of my

(26:51):
favorite people are from Kentucky and know if they get
a divorce. They're not still brother and sister. Stop it
on the text line, mean people, Mandy, mandated attendants at school,
Trump's mandated vaccines. Anyway, kids from other countries, legal or
not who want to attend public school cannot be turned
away because they are unvaccinated. Exactly my point. And now

(27:12):
here's the thing about the Florida stuff that I'm very
interested to see how they handle this. I think parents
have a right to know the vaccination levels of their
schools because some parents are super concerned about this. Some
parents have children that are medically fragile. Some people just
want to know that their kid has a good chance
of not getting the measles or the chicken box or whatever.

(27:33):
So is Florida going to release that information? Are they say, Look,
eighty five percent of the kids in this school are vaccinated,
twenty two percent are vaccinated in this school, So parents
can make those decisions. Florida has school choice, so I
mean they could very well do it, Mandy. We've had
cal as a bad experiment, and the new Coloradans didn't
learn a damn thing. Oh you have no idea, people,

(27:55):
no idea. Do you think they would learn from Florida. Well,
in this case, yes, because Florida is doing something that
Coloradens would never do. Coloradins don't believe in freedom, at
least the Coloradin's running things in the legislature in the Capitol.
They don't believe in freedom. They demonstrated every single time
at the legislature new ways to curtail your freedom to

(28:18):
exercise your basic rights. They do it all the time.
So anything that they could point to and say see
if that goes poorly, they're gonna say, see, look what
happens when you get when we give you freedom to
make medical decisions for your children, which really isn't that
what we're talking about Florida is getting parents freedom to
decide whether or not to vaccinate their kids. By the way,

(28:40):
as a point of order, I was one of those
parents that asked my pediatrician to space out vaccinations, and
my pediatrician did. I am not anti vaccine by any
stretch of the imagination, but I do think we over
vaccinate our children, and we're giving them vaccines for diseases
that are a pain in the ass but not deadly,
and I think that's absurd. We're attacking their little immune

(29:03):
systems over and over and over again. But I am
not anti vaccine. I just think we need to do
it better than we're doing it now. I have old
fashioned values. I married my sister before I got her pregnant.
Says this Texter, stop it, Stop it right now, Mandy.
No one could get the deficit when the president of

(29:23):
the cabinet gets sued every time they try. That is
very true, guys. One of the things that is going
to be very interesting at the end of this Trump
administration is how many times the Supreme Court has affirmed
the independence of the executive branch. We now have Trump
going back to court trying to get his tariff situation
sorted out by the Supreme Court, and I'm going to

(29:44):
be honest, I don't know how he fares in that situation.
I really don't. The authorization that he's been using to
do this, and also the authorization that he was using
to send back Venezuelan's because they're invading the country all
over the country cannot wait to strike down what Donald
Trump is doing that ultimately, they don't have the power
to stop it. So we're going to see the Supreme

(30:06):
Court clarify so many people, so many things in the
next three and a half years, So that's gonna be good.
I guess are most of the articles in your blog paywald?
You guys, I'm trying to get around that. I have
a little fix and sometimes I don't know their paywald
because I pay for that publication. But I do try

(30:30):
to find another way to share a link, So I've
been trying to do that more often, to make that
if you can send me text or which story I will,
I'll fix it and make sure that it doesn't go
there anyway. So I just lost my train of thought
completely reading that question. But that's okay. I got other
stuff coming up for a moment in the next hour.

(30:52):
First of all, we're gonna talk to a gentleman from
the Forward Party. We're gonna hear a little bit about
what their deal is, and then we got to talk
about first jobs. There's a great column on first jobs
in The Rocky Mountin Voice that I put on the
blog today that is not Paywald. The Rocky Mountain Voice
is never paywalled, and it got me to got me

(31:13):
to thinking about first jobs, because first jobs. Hardly anyone
gets their first job and stays there until, you know, forever.
I do know people, by the way, who have done that.
I know someone who discovered very early on in their
life that they loved the thought of building roads and bridges,

(31:34):
and they went to college to become an engineer so
they could build roads and bridges. And they work for
a Department of transportation and worked in the same companies,
same department of transportation their entire career and just retired.
I can't even imagine you, guys, I would have been
so bored. Mandy. Why do you say Louisville instead of Louisville? Okay,

(31:54):
number one in Louisville, Kentucky. However you say it, someone
will correct you. It doesn't matter, and they're always like,
I'm from here and we say Louisville. I'm from here,
and it's Louisville. But the reason I say Louisville is
because our radio station that I work for, whas in

(32:15):
our official style guide for the people who worked there,
we went with the following Louisville was named after King
Louis not King Louielle, so we called it Louisville. That
was consistent across the radio station. We all did our
thing Louisville, and I still call it Louisville, because if
you're outside Louisville, people often don't know what Louisville means.

(32:39):
But if you say Louisville, they know I'm not talking
about Louisville, which, by the way, I'm not gonna I
kind of laughed about that, that it's Louisville. Let's just
read it phonetically and it'll be fine. Louisville it is, So,
you know, anyway, Louisville, Louisville doesn't matter, because somebody's gonna
correct you to talk about first jobs in the next hour.

(33:01):
But first I have this interview at one o'clock, and
then I have a story out of Durango. Now I
love Durango. I think it is the cutest little town,
has super cute restaurants. They got the train down there,
like the coolest little place. It is far enough away
from everything that getting there is entirely inconvenient, so it

(33:23):
hasn't been spoiled like some of the other mountain towns
by over you know, tourism or whatever. But apparently, much
to my surprise, I found out recently that the city
of Durango is a hotbed of racism, so much so
that the school board has spent I don't know a
little over two hundred thousand dollars trying to make it

(33:46):
less of a racist hotbed than they were before. We're
going to talk about that as well in the next hour.
But first you want to learn about a political party.
You're feeling politically homeless, We've got one for you at
the Forward Party coming up next. It right here on KOA.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
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Speaker 4 (34:28):
Welcome. We gave a second hour of the show. I'm
Mandy Connell. That guy over there Anthony Rodriguez, and I'd
like to thank you. I'd like to thank the listener
who sent this. Louisville, Colorado was named by a German
born landowner, Louis Nawatney, for himself. So Louisville was not
named after King Louis, and therefore will always be pronounced Louisville.

(34:49):
And now that's a little thing I know. Now, so
thank you Texter for bringing that to my attention. You
know a lot of people me included, have felt politically
homeless and and the way things are going, it feels
more and more like we do have a uni party,
like everything is the same no matter who you elect.
And there are other parties that are starting to gain

(35:11):
a little traction. One of them is the Forward Party.
And joining me right now from the Colorado Forward Party
is Dave Ryan to talk about what the Forward Party
stands for. If you're looking for a political home, you
may want to listen up, Dave. Welcome to the show.
First of all, all right, thanks for having me, Mannie.
So let me start by asking you the simple question.
Give me your elevator speech about the Forward Party. Give

(35:33):
me your ninety seconds on what you guys are doing,
what it's about, and why people should be interested in
learning more.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
Sure he okay, Yeah. More and more voters feel like
they don't belong to either party. I feel like they're
political orphans, as you just mentioned, and Forward is building
a national movement. Are home for them, and we are
the fastest growing new political movement in the country. And
it's built around the idea that Americans deserve more choice

(36:03):
and more voices in their democracy. Our polling and polling
that we look across is there's fifty percent of younger
adults wish there were more than two parties. Forty three
percent across the country identify as independents or un affiliateds.
Here in Colorado is just past fifty percent now, and

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if you look at the registration statistics here in Colorado,
Democrats and Republicans are losing registered voters. Unaffiliateds are climbing
rapidly and currently total more than all Democrats and Republicans combined.
So it was originally formed by good government and governance
groups from the left and the right to come together

(36:46):
to work on system wide approaches that we believe are
dividing us rather than bringing us together. It's all about incentives.
In our current system provides incentives that separate is and
the primaries are just a great example of how that works.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
I'm right there with you when it comes to primary politics,
because our current system incentivizes a run to the hard
right or the hard left, because unfortunately voters don't engage
in the primaries, So you tend to get the most
politically purer, to use a word, the people that are
the most passionate about their party, and they tend to
be either the hardest right or the hardest left. So

(37:26):
we then have candidates that run to those edges, and
even if they try and moderate after you know, they
win the primary, you're still dealing with people that are
not necessarily working in what I call the biggest part
of the political spectrum, which is the flexible center. Right,
the people that maybe pro gun rights on this side,
but they may be pro environmental regulations on another side. Right,

(37:49):
I mean people that hold varied positions that don't pass
the political purity test. And when I first moved to Colorado,
that was one of the things I loved about Colorado
is you would see a pro sn amendment bumper sticker
right next to a Heerra Club bumper sticker.

Speaker 6 (38:03):
Right.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
I mean, there's just you could support whatever you wanted
to support. That has changed dramatically here, And what does
the Forward Party want to do to Let's start with
that dynamic. What do you want to do to change
that dynamic?

Speaker 6 (38:17):
Well, first off, from a good governance and systems perspective,
so we are we are, you know, firm supporters of
independent resistricting nationwide, which we're fortunate to here in Colorado.
That was something that Colorado embraced recently, which you know,
we believe it's just a great thing to put bringing
more of that power back into the voter's hands rather

(38:39):
than the political parties. We also believe that every vote
should count. Right now with the first past the posts elections,
and many elections, somebody with less than fifty percent can
often win. We believe in things like rankd choice voting,
where every vote counts every every like, for my case,

(39:01):
in a minor party, people can vote for a minor
party but not be a spoiler in the overall election.
If people are worried.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
About let's call that what it is, Dave like, people say,
you're wasting your vote. If you vote for that third
party candidate, you're wasting your vote. I wasted my vote
in two thousand and voted for Ralph Nader. I would
have been horrified if he'd won, but I was voting
for the viability of a third party candidate. I loved
rank choice voting. I think it's a great idea, and

(39:27):
once politicians start to understand it, I think they will
embrace it as well.

Speaker 6 (39:32):
I think so. I think I think there's a great example,
I mean, which had several examples just in the last
couple election cycles where a minor party actually changed the election.
You know, a Congressional District eight is a great example
where Barbara Kirkmeyer ended up losing, but it was a
very close race, and you know that there was in

(39:53):
my opinion, that was a spoiler situation.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Now where the liberty we don't want that.

Speaker 6 (39:57):
We want we do your ability for people to vote
who they want without ruining the the you know, the
the chances of the main candidates.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
So what are some of the others. Well, I've talked
a lot about ring choice voting on the show, so
I don't want to derail this conversation by going deep
on that. What are some of the other ways that
you would would perceive that would be effective to slow
down the polarization or maybe bring us back together.

Speaker 6 (40:21):
So open primaries to me is a is a is
a great thing. It is It's something that there was
a run taken at its last last election cycle. It
didn't succeed. It took on a number of points to
try to combine it all together on that ballot proposition.
To me, having a primary where whatever part of the

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spectrum you are associated with, you are all combined into
a single primary and the voters choose, you know, the
top four or five, and then those four or five
go on to a general election. It is it forces
every candidate instead of pandering to the extremes, It forces
them to not only focus on their base, but also

(41:09):
on the modern the moderate, flexible middle has to come
along with them, and they have to win those hearts
and minds to be able to be effective in the
in the election.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
So let me ask this, because what I see on
the Forward Party platform and I've been to the website
have dug through all the issues. For me, everything begins
and ends. I'm a single issue voter, and that is
debt and spending, because I think that is like the
tip of the spear in our country because without without
managing that, nothing else is going to matter. Right when
we run out of money and we can no longer

(41:41):
no one's buying our debt and we're just printing money
like mad, then people will begin to understand how significant
the debt is. But I don't see a lot or
or a lot of specifics about those single issues like abortion.
It's not on here. People on the on the text
line right now saying is the Forward Party pro life

(42:01):
or pro choice.

Speaker 6 (42:02):
UH.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
For me, it's about debt and spending, because all things
begin an end for that. What other policy positions have
you guys talked about or when will those be developed?
If at all?

Speaker 6 (42:14):
That's a that's a development situation mating the the uh.
What we don't want to do, which which really makes
us unique as far enders as I understand in the
political environment, is we don't have a top down, UH
driven platform that says every candidate must follow this these
rules or you're going to run a file of the party.

(42:37):
So somebody in Grand Junction is going to be different
than Boulder, It's going to be different than Pueblo. And
we have a number, you know, the many relationships at
all levels of government now that uh, and we talked
with people you know, you know pro gun, as you
mentioned before, pro gun, pro environmental, pro pro life, and

(42:57):
there there are so many common you know, folks who
aren't you know, who aren't driven towards that single issue
that realize that we as a society have to deal
with a lot of different things and we need the
best people to come forward and work together with people
that are different than them to come up with a

(43:19):
solution that works for their communities here in Colorado, Colorado
Forward Party, we're focused on the state level, so we're
not so much focused on what goes on at the
national level, even though it kind of sucks the oxygen
out of the room. Sometimes. We're focused on what's right
for our communities, and we want candidates who put a

(43:40):
priority on serving their community. That's got to be priority
number one, and it's got to be you know, candidates,
whether whether they're from the right side or the left
side or in between, they commit to us that they
will work with their peers to come up with solutions
for their community.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
I actually like that.

Speaker 6 (43:59):
I I.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Tell people on this show all the time, and I
mean it that as much as we talk about federal politics,
as much as we talk about the Trump administration, as
much as we talk about Congress, the stuff that happens
here in Colorado has a much more direct and immediate
impact on our lives at a very visceral level. So
I think that's a very smart move too many people,
and I look at the Libertarian Party in this case,

(44:21):
they run a presidential candidate every single presidential cycle, but
they're not running anybody in the school board elections, right
They're not running anything in the county commission races. So
I think it's a very smart play and it sounds
like and I'm not that was a little bit of
a hedge on your part, but it almost sounded like
we're going to let candidates make their own decisions about

(44:42):
social issues. Is that part of the plan.

Speaker 6 (44:47):
That is essential to us moving forward here? And because
every community is different, every candidate is different, we are
going to be developing a platform over time, but it's
got to come from the ground up. And as we
build our base here in Colorado, as we build it nationally,
we're first going to start here in Colorado and and

(45:08):
and come together on the issues that unite us. And
and we're also going to ask our candidates to take
a very you know, a very earnest and hard working
effort at resolving some of those those critical cultural issues
that divide us. Well, we don't we don't take a
hard position on some of those things that you just mentioned.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
What what are the hard planks? What what are the
things that you feel like are the key cornerstones of
the forward party that if you had to tick the
boxes and say, here's what's really important to us, that
we do want you to focus on what are those things?

Speaker 6 (45:47):
So if if I look at you know, I mentioned
the the the ability for every vote to count, right,
and whether we call it rank choice voting or uh,
you know, a different form of that where every voters
has an ability to choose, Hey, here's my first choice,
but here's my second choice. If the first person doesn't win.

(46:08):
That engages every voter, and it causes our our candidates
to appeal to a much broader spectrum than they normally would.
I mentioned open primaries absolutely, and for a minor party,
I mean ran Joy's voice voting is essential for a
minor party to be able to express itself and have voters,

(46:29):
you know, express their opinion. And we may not win
a race, but well, our talent will increase just because
that people will realize I can vote for forward first,
but boy, that Democrat or Republican is likely going to win,
so I'm going to vote them second.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Right, And and so that's real.

Speaker 6 (46:47):
Open primaries I just see as essential to removing the
captivity that our political leaders have over over politicians. Open
primary free up our elected officials to be able to
vote their conscience. And we've seen a number of cases

(47:09):
where candidates would prefer to vote something different, but they're
forced into positions to go along with the party. We've
got to find a way to break that cycle. And uh,
you know, just I get to like good governance. We've
had down testifying in front of the Legislature on a
couple of different issues good governance around just basic things like.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
You know, in our.

Speaker 6 (47:34):
Constitution, you know, we have a requirement that every county
have three commissioners for you know, a certain population, and
it's optional if you grow, you can still stay with
three if you want. That sets up some pretty hard
dynamics when now your county is you know, a five
hundred thousand people and you still have three commissioners. But

(47:57):
because of the way we elect those commissioners in that county,
political party controls the process.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Douglas County, you're talking about Douglas County. That the names, right,
that's the names. I'm just saying, you're talking about Douglas County.
And I'm right there with you, Dave, I'm right there.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
There's a couple of thems.

Speaker 6 (48:13):
There's a couple of so you know, we we have
we have uh people elected officials that we support and
I'll shout out. Bob Marshall is one. We have elected
officials that we support that are that drive those kind
of that drive those kind of discussions, you know, vacancy,
potent or vacancy, sony.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Vacancy committees of garbage.

Speaker 8 (48:37):
Colorado is notorious nationwide the number of people that we
have an elected office that gout there by vacancy and
end up going on and because they're now incumbents, they
have a much greater chance.

Speaker 6 (48:49):
We have thirty percent of the legislators came through the
vanacancy appointment process. There was some I'm gonna let me
go into this if I could. I mean, we have
legislation this year that triggers if a person resigns within
a certain time frame after election, it forces a special

(49:12):
election in an odd year, which we don't haven't haven't
done before here in Colorado. And coincidentally, one of the bills,
a two days after it became effective, a commissioner in
al Paso County resigned and that triggered an appointment which
was quite contested, and it triggers a special election on

(49:34):
November fourth, and that election limits who can participate as
a candidate, and it limits who can vote.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
That happens.

Speaker 6 (49:46):
Yeah, it happens to be a Republican who resigns, or
a normal appointment processes to have to appoint a Republican.
But now we're calling this a special election funded by taxpayers,
and if you're a Democrat, you can't run as a candidate.
We have a guy that wants to run, that would

(50:08):
run for office.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Yeah, we've done there is replace the people of the
vacancy committee with other partisans that will only be allowed
to vote in an election that will only have people
from their party in it. That's what you're telling me.

Speaker 6 (50:23):
Well, another was some negotiations that allows unaffiliated voters to
vote in that election, but Democrats registered Democrats can't vote,
No minor party candidate can run, and the Democrat candidate
can't run in us what we call a special election.
That should be it's a taxpayer funded election and it
constrains who can run or who can vote. I just

(50:45):
didn't that'd be the type of thing that we're be
We kind of scratch our head.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
So essentially, the Forward Party seems to be focused like
a laser on the structural imbalances that have created an
unfair advantage for the two party system. I mean, that's
really what it gets down to, right, Yeah, exactly no.

Speaker 6 (51:01):
But the two major parties control everything, right, and we
have we have to find from a system perspective the
ability to I mean, those two major parties are essential
to our democracy. There's no I mean, no debate on this, right,
but it is it is the control that they have
and the ability to shut down other voices that need
to be heard, uh, that that is really problematic for us.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
Man. So I just got this text message and they said,
how about a balanced budget amendment? But let me ask
that as a follow let me ask a follow up question.
When will the bigger platform items be decided? Where is
the Where are we in the process of the formation
of the Forward Party? If people want to get involved
now so they can be a part of these discussions,
when will those discussions move forward? Because like it or not,

(51:47):
I agree with everything you're saying about the structural issues,
but this is like very granular politics stuff, right it
is most people are are we going to have a
balanced budget amendment? Do we have a pro life or
a pro choice point?

Speaker 10 (52:00):
Do?

Speaker 4 (52:01):
What are what is our opinion on various issues? Like
how is that all getting sorted out?

Speaker 9 (52:07):
You know, that's a great question because I mean when
we talk about, you know, the nuts and bolts of
changing things structurally so that things are less polarizing.

Speaker 6 (52:19):
People's eyes gillize over.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
I mean, you've got to really be a political junkie
to get into these nuts and bolts. But it's the
foundation of making improvements in our society.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Uh So.

Speaker 6 (52:29):
But the answer answer the question directly. Anybody can get
involved with us right now. Go to calif Coloradofward party
dot com. There's an easy way to sign up. Somebody
will contact you and indicate where your interests are. We have, uh,
you know, weekly meetings, we have subcommittees that are chartered

(52:50):
on specific tasks and and we have different topics that
we that we do that we do talk about and
admittedly it's focused on uh it's focused on helping our
our nonpartisan candidates at school board and municipal levels be successful.
It's focused like next year, you'll see us at the

(53:11):
at the county and legislative level, supporting various candidates and
promoting certain legislation around good governance, the the the the
overall score. I mean, we're a brand new party. We're
just getting our feet on the ground. We we intend
to stay bottoms up, but that it is essential over
time that we develop platforms that people can that resonate

(53:34):
with people. And whether it's a balanced budget or or
you know, or or water rights or you know, environmental issues.
You know, everybody wants our country to be healthy and
our communities to be healthy, and people to be have
access to you know, the successful paths, no matter whether

(53:56):
in the rural areas or in an urban center. And
so it's it's it's uh, you know, that's got it.
It's got to come together. We have conceptually a Project
twenty twenty eight. We and we had we had Project
twenty twenty eight before the other projects started maybe, but

(54:17):
Project twenty twenty eight is about because we're we're we're
we're accepted in a dozen states right now here here
we have we have ballot access here in Colorado and
the total of five states and another another seven who
are recognized by those states, and and and quite a
few more states coming on board with us. And so
it's all about building a national recognition and national visibility.

(54:43):
And it's that brand awareness, right so people and people
hear the word Forward Party, they understand what it represents,
so I would say, by you know, towards twenty twenty eight,
that's what we're driving towards him.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
Well, I wanted to say this. One of the things
that's missing from the Forward Party national website, that is
I think a core issue and incredibly important is fair districting.
And if you want to have an issue that you
can get out in front of right now, the jerrymandering
that's going on all over the country, I don't care
which party's doing it. It's bad. It's bad, bad, bad, bad.
But I don't see a specific point on the Forward

(55:16):
Party website.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
But Dave, let me do this.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
We'll check back in with you periodically. We'll find out
what's going on with the Forward Party. I'm very interested
and if I have listeners out there who are very
big and concerned about some of these issues, go ahead
and get involved. They're not going to make you stay
if you don't like it, right, I mean, if you
don't enjoy it, you can leave.

Speaker 6 (55:35):
But life gets in the way all the times. So
we we certainly acknowledge that we love people who come forward.
We love people who are interested in our democracy and
making sure their communities are moving forward.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Dave Brian from the Colorado Forward Party, A pleasure to
talk to you. We'll check back in in a few
months and see what's happening new stuff in the Forward
Party as well.

Speaker 6 (55:57):
Cool it, Madie?

Speaker 4 (55:58):
All right, thanks Dave. We will be right back on
the text line. And the Forward Party for not having
all these policy positions and they don't stand for anything,
and blah blah blah. You're not wrong. I mean, you're
not wrong in pointing out that they don't have a
lot of significant policy positions. But I think what they're
trying to do right now is just bring people into

(56:18):
the conversation. And I actually think that's the right way
to build a political party. You know, if you come
in and start announcing all of your positions decided on
by a handful of people that are trying to get
this thing off the ground, you're already going to alienate
all of these other people. But if you come in
with a clear idea of what the goal of the
party is, and to me, it seems like they are

(56:41):
going after the structural issues that exist that incentivize the
worst of the worst in a system where people in
the United States cannot be bothered to vote in primaries
in any real numbers. For instance, let me give this,
let me let me just read an email that I
just got. Okay, Mandy, Ranked choice voting and open primaries

(57:03):
are great in theory. Unfortunately, the left has learned how
to compromise both of those processes. I'm coming back to that,
and the right stands around with their thumbs in their blanks.
Neither of those solutions should be available. People must be
educated enough to commit to a position or candidate. Okay, sir,
how do you force people to be educated? How do

(57:26):
you force people to vote in the primaries? How do
you force people who are not engaged now to become
educated and engaged? What you just did there was takes
two solutions, which, by the way, if you paid attention
to what just happened in Alaska in this election cycle,
the Republicans won again. You know why because they learned

(57:46):
how the system worked and they played the game right.
There are no perfect systems, there's no perfect solution, there's
no perfect answer. But are you happy with what we
have now?

Speaker 11 (57:57):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
I think what we have now is awful. It's absolutely terrible.
When you look at your ballot and go, wow, another
ointment and supositories election because you hate both of the
candidates because they're the extremes of both parties. Like that sucks,
I mean, it just sucks. And ranke choice voting. Once
you understand how to campaign, once you understand that you

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cannot alienate people, that you can't be dismissive, you can't
call a huge chunk of voters a basket of deplorables
and expect to win. That's how it's done, right. You
know what would be awesome if candidates got up and
made their like, whatever their policy positions are, whatever they're
passionate about, whatever they're campaigning on, and they got up

(58:42):
and they made that argument, and they said, here's my argument.
This is why I believe, why I believe it, and
I hope that I can convince you to believe what
I believe as well. And I would love to have
your vote. But if you can't vote for me first,
I certainly hope you would look at this and consider
voting for me second, because that's a much different conversation
than vote for me because the other guy is evil,

(59:05):
vote for me because the other person eats babies for breakfast, right,
I mean, you have to recognize that We're all so
desensitized to the nastiness of our political environment, and every year,
every election, we all sit here and go, oh, this
is the nastiest election I can remember in my lifetime.
But you know why it's nasty because it works, because

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the incentives are there for that kind of bad behavior.
Somebody else hit the text line and said, ranked choice
voting is why New York has Zo Ron Mamdani. Y'all,
New York has Zo Ron Mamdani because Andrew Cuomo is
a scumbag and Eric Adams is an idiot. That is

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why Zo Ron Mumdani came out of that primary, not
because of ranked choice voting, because the other two are
terrible candidates, And of course we don't have a Republican
that stands a chance of winning. We've got Republican retread
Curtis Sliwa running on their Republican ticket. But they have
it because they had two horrible candidates. Horrible, absolutely horrible.

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But the reality is, when you have good candidates and
they can run a good race, make the arguments for
the answers and solutions that they think are the way
to go, instead of standing there pointing at their opponent,
calling them everything but a child of God. Because that's
effective right now, because that's how the incentives work. You
don't have to talk to people on the other side

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of the aism. Wouldn't it be nice? Wouldn't it be nice?
I'm going to use our own special session here. The
legislature just wrapped it up. And you know how much
attention they paid to Republicans. Zero Republicans brought over thirty
bills to the special session. Every single one of them
got killed on the first day. You know why those
Democrats don't have to care about Republican voters. They don't

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have to care about them, doesn't matter. The incentives are
there to just cater to their own crowd, cater to
the hard left of their party because they're the ones
that are going to show up in the primaries. All
of this is not okay with me. I mean, maybe
it is okay with you.

Speaker 10 (01:01:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
It's not okay with me, Mandy. People who just don't care,
like most of my family should not vote. I actually
agree with this, but unfortunately Colorado sends a ballot to everyone,
including idiots who don't know anything about what they're voting for.
So I love the theory. I love the theory. I
love it, but it's not realistic. Mandy Trump calls Democrats

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names every day of his life, exactly my point. Do
you enjoy that? Do you like that kind of dialogue,
because in the current system, that kind of dialogue is
encouraged because, you know, comes out and votes in Republican
primaries the most hardcore right wing Republican maga voter and
they love it. They love it. So if you don't

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like that. By the way, you notice I'm not saying
it's just Democrats calling people don't know. And as a
matter of fact, in Alaska, on their first round of
ranked choice voting, the Republicans lost because they stood around
pointing fingers at each other and calling each other's supporters
bad names, and they lost to a Democrat. Now, in
this last election cycle, they went, hey, maybe we shouldn't

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do that, Maybe we should run on our ideas and
run on a you know, asking people to vote for
a second if they don't vote for us first. And
that's what they did, and guess what the Republicans won.
Trump ran a campaign on policy. In one I would
say the president is a good start. Trump also constantly
calls people bad names. I mean, let's be real, kind

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of his stock in trade. So let's not act like
the President isn't a part of the problem in this case, because,
oh my goodness, is he emboldening empowered everyone from Marjorie
Taylor Green right over to Gavin Newsom. You haven't noticed
the Democrats are out there now. They're out there cursing,
dropping the F bomb and interviews because it's supposed to

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make them look edgy and cool and tough like Trump,
except it just seems contrived and forced and weird. I
would rather have a system that incentivizes people to try
and find solutions that work for more people than not.
No solution is for any problem is ever going to

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be perfect, and it's never going to be perfect for everyone.
But what I'd like is people to say, you know what,
I'm a Republican, but what are the concerns of the
Democrats in my district? What things do I need to
address in the hopes that maybe, just maybe I might
earn their second place vote, even if I don't earn
their first place vote. I think that would be delightful.

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But if you don't like it, that's fine. You don't
have to participate. And you can just have your angry
candidates calling people names and saying nasty things. I mean,
that's just where we are. I guess that's just how
we're going to end up. I love it when people
say things like, well, we just need to keep everybody
who doesn't vote in the primaries from voting in the
general election. I don't think you can do that. That's
the thing we can't. Just trust me. For years, I

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have advocated some kind of civics tests before you vote,
like if you can't name the three branches of the
federal government, you don't get to vote in a presidential election.
But I think there should be a basic understanding of
civics before you get to vote. But we can't do
that because that's a poll tax. In a way, it's
an intelligence tax. But nonetheless, now I think it's a
tax that should be put in there. But whatever, they

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don't listen to me. The reality is is that you
can't force people to educate themselves. You can't force people
to make an educated vote in the primary. You can't
force someone to make an educated to vote in the
general election. So what do we do to make a
better system with the same population that we already established.
We can't make them think right whatever. Speaking of profanity

(01:05:02):
leaden interviews by the Democrats the latest Get More Smarter
podcast with Ian Silvery and Jason Vain. They interviewed Jessica Killen,
the Democratic challenger in CD five against Jeff Crank. She's
a little colorful SILVERI in Vayner, Pottymouth. She was Doug
m Hoff's chief of staff and has been in Washington
for over twenty years. She's an Army officer, veteran achieving

(01:05:23):
the rank of captain, which is a junior officer. Her
LinkedIn says it all. I did a little research and
found she lives in a two point six million dollar
home in Chevy Chase, Maryland, that she bought for two
million in twenty seventeen. She's from Colorado, but hasn't been
in Colorado for a very long time. Hey, Mandy, we'll
preferred lightscapes be decorating the IHARS studios for Christmas. That's

(01:05:47):
a really good question, except we no longer own the building.
We are only in the third and fourth floors, so
that would have to be a question for the building ownership.
I will say last year at Christmas they did up
our lobby beautifully, so I have no complaints about the
building ownership that we are in as far as Christmas

(01:06:08):
decorations go. Mandy had been scanning the political backgrounds of
the Forward Party board members and they skew towards having
Democratic Party affiliations in the past, so I'm suspicious. The
goal of the Forward Party is to carve more votes
out of the right than the left. That from Brian
and Brian that's a perfect reason to get involved, right.

(01:06:29):
This is the kind of the point I was making.
If you want to be part of it from the
ground up and make your arguments for policy positions that
are about smaller government, that are about low taxation, that
are about all of those things, now's your chance because
they haven't decided any of that stuff. So if you
want to make an impact, then just jump in, Mandy respectfully.

(01:06:53):
When you use the word MAGA to group Trump supporters
or say mega people, you sound as dumb as ross,
no offense some kind of cult. We are patriots that
support a patriot. Now let me just say this. I
don't put all Trump supporters in the MAGA camp. In
my mind, MAGA is different. There are Trump supporters who
will vote for the president who happily voted for the president.

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But they don't deify him. They don't worship him like
a god. They don't run around talking about how everything
he does is perfect. That's maga to me. Maga has
like a cult of personality worship in it that I
don't like. I didn't like it when the cult of
personality worshiped Obama. Granted, nobody was worshiping Joe Biden. I mean,
come on, like, seriously, give me a break. But I

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put maga in that case. And I know people, and
I have close friends that are maga like this, and
you cannot tell them a single thing Donald Trump has
ever done wrong. They will not believe you. They will
accuse you of lying. That in my mind is what
I mean when I am maga. But I'll try not
to use that word without clarifying in the future. So
I appreciate that, Texter Mandy. Just like the movie, once

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a year we have a statewide and nationwide purge, many
dumb people will be gone, except you know what I mean.
Think about it. Who are the people most likely to
participate in the random murder of other people? Do you
think it's the smart people? No, dude, I'm gonna be
sitting my home with a gun pointed at the door.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
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Speaker 10 (01:08:27):
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Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
Ampony, Sorry about that. I just messed up a Rod's
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paying attention. In my defense, I don't have to hit
that button as much as I used to because you're
so efficient. Anyway, Welcome to the third hour of the show.
Mandy Connall and Anthony Rodriguez here on this show. He
just shot me a look, y'all. Someone is a little

(01:09:07):
cranky with me because he stayed.

Speaker 5 (01:09:08):
Up late last night at the leg of popcost Sorry
because no one on the app can hear you right
now because the button you hit means I have to
fix it all.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
Oh no, I'm so sorry. Yeah, yeah, my apologies. Coming
up a little bit later in the show, we're going
to talk to you doctor Mark Masselli about a complaint
filed by an organization called Do No Harm. They are
medical doctors and professionals that are trying to stop the

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disastrous consequences of identity politics. It's a very interesting story.
We're going to do that at two thirty. In the meantime, though,
I have a ton of stuff on the blog, but
I want to talk about first jobs for just a
second because I read this article on the Rocky Mountain
Voice Always Free, and it is a column about first
jobs and the purpose of a first job.

Speaker 10 (01:09:55):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
Most of the time, first jobs are not about this
is my cre and I'm going to have this career
until I retire. That's just not how it is. First
jobs are about learning to be responsible, being on time,
learning how to do a job at someone else's direction
and do it right. It's about, you know, learning how
to you know, engageing camaraderie in the workforce. They're mostly

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jobs that are pretty simple, pretty basic. They're not necessarily
going to be C suite positions, right. And there's a
really good, like I said, really good column, show up
and earn first jobs, and it's just about first jobs.
And I got kind of I got missed to you
guys thinking about my first job.

Speaker 8 (01:10:35):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
I don't count babysitting as a first job because it
was my first job. I started babysitting when I was
about ten for my next door neighbor and they had
a little little at that time. Her name was Katie,
and I found out recently she's an attorney, and that
made me feel really old. But it's okay. It was
a first job, but it was, you know, for a
few bucks whatever, ten bucks for an hour to two hours,

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for two kids, whatever. It was not a lot of money.
My first actual job where I got a real paycheck
that had my name on it and it was typed
out and everything. I taught gymnastics. I started that job
when I was fourteen years old. I had taken gymnastics
when I was a kid for a long time, but
then I got really tall and I was like, oh
why am I doing this? This is going nowhere fast
kind of thing. So my coach reached out to me

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and said, would you like to come teach at the gym.
I have a class of three to five year olds
and I'd like you to come in and do this.
And I started my first job and I made Anthony,
what did you make at your first job? What was
your hourly wage at your first job? Like first job
after college or your first job? Oh? God, like seven something. Yeah,
my first job. I started out making three dollars and

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thirty five cents an hour. But it was great for
me because it put me in a position of responsibility.
Now granted a position of responsibility over a bunch of
three to five year olds, and I'm gonna be perfectly honest.
A lot of my job was pulling leotards out of
little tushies. But it taught me that I had a
commitment on those days and then I couldn't make plans,

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and that even when something fun came up with my friends,
I still had to hold to keep that commitment. It
was a very important thing. Now since then, I've had
a million jobs. I mean when I was younger. I've
had the same job in radio for the last twenty
five years. But before that, I had all kinds of jobs.
I worked in a video store, which was awesome. I
worked at a cracker barrel, which was awesome. I have

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waited tables in multiple restaurants. I have bartended in multiple restaurants.
Once I got into the restaurant industry, that kind of
stuck because in the restaurant industry I found out something
that has motivated me for the rest of my life
in the restaurant industry, if you work your butt off,
chances are you're going to make more money. Now, some
nights that's not true, right, Some nights you just get
a bunch of ad tippers and you could give them

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best service in the whole world, and you're still not
going to make a lot of money. But generally speaking,
when I worked my butt off, I made a lot
of money waiting tables. But what was your first job
and how much do you make? Simple question? Hit the
text line at five six six nine. Oh, tell me
roughly the year, because I was thinking about this. The
other year for me was nineteen eighty three when I

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got my first job. So nineteen eighty three making three
thirty five an hour, and I think I worked like
ten hours a week on that one. I taught like
four classes, so maybe ten hours a week.

Speaker 11 (01:13:24):
But it was it was great.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
I still remember it fondly, like I remember the whole thing.
I remember, and I don't have great memories of childhood.
I'm not one of those people that can go I
remember that time when I was four. Nope, don't have
any memory of it. But I have such clear memories
of that experience of situations that I was put on
put in in that experience, I'm fourteen years old, but
I had to essentially like wrangle these slightly older kids

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who were maybe getting too rambunctious or getting out of
I had to be in charge of that, and I
had to use my authority to you know, kind of
bring them in line. And those lessons are so important
as you get older and you maybe don't even think
about it. Mandy. The restaurant industry equals tax free cash.
It did back then. Now everybody is yeah, now everybody

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is using cards, so it's not really tax free cash anymore. Mandy,
your showstream content just got interrupted again by yet more
commercial ads. Not good and sir or madam, that was
my fault and now fixed. Yeah, it is fixed because
Anthony is the fixer of all things and he fixed
my mistake. But that was one hundred percent on your
humble host. I have no one to blame about myself,

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fat finger take full response. It wasn't even that Anthony.
I went to push the on air button and somehow
my headphone cord had gotten itself discombobulated, and in the process,
I just I you know, by the way, ladies and
gentlemen in the listening audience. Those two buttons are not
remotely close. They're not next to each other. No, they're

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like a good I don't know, three inches apart. Is
this supposed to make me feel better? I' throwing myself
on my sword? Okay, because I did it. I want
people to know it was my fault. Nineteen ninety three
says this Texter movie theater like eight bucks an hour,
most fun I've ever had working. I always wanted to
work at the movie theater. But there was this group

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of kids and we did not have a nice movie
theater in my hometown. Same one is still open, still
not nice. Like nobody's come in and said we did
renovate it's it's still a dump. But there was like
a cabal of kids that had the end at the
movie theater, and if you weren't in the cabal, you
couldn't get a job at the movie theater.

Speaker 5 (01:15:32):
Two thousand. This would have been two thousand and seven,
two thousand and eight. Yeah, Older County Youth Corps wildfire mitigation.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
That was my job. That sounds hard.

Speaker 5 (01:15:41):
Went up eight hours a day during the summers and
just carried logs downhills, to prevent wildfires.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
That sounds like hard, like ready to work.

Speaker 5 (01:15:50):
Yeah, there you go in like seven eight dollars an hour,
I think, yeah, there you go. Yeah, And you were
happy to have that much money. That probably was you know, fun,
who's workout got nature got paid for it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
And I bet I worked in the hospital kitchen in
high school for a bucks sixty five an hour. I
had a lot of money back in nineteen seventy three,
says this Texter. I made the same in the South
suburbs of Chicago at a restaurant three point thirty five
in nineteen eighty four. Now, when I got my first
serving job, when I went to college, so this was
nineteen eighty seven, I only made two to one an hour.
That was the tipped wage at the time, two dollars

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and one cent. And I always thought to myself, why
are the one cent?

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
Who was like, you know what, you know what, two
dollars is not enough. I know what we'll do. We'll
throw in an extra penny. We'll just do that. It'll
be fine. Andy. I made fifteen cents per bail stacking
hay out of the field then as carry out at
Safeway one sixty seven per hour fun services carnival booths

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nineteen ninety four, age fourteen. Minimum wage was four twenty five.
Listen to this one first job McDonald's ninety cents an
hour in nineteen sixty nine. We had a lot of
fun that I can go into correct. Bail bondsman was
somebody's first job. That's crazy. Paper boy nineteen seventy maybe
fifteen dollars a monthly ten years old. Mandy. I carried

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at eleven and twelve years old and made forty dollars
per round plus tips. Wait a minute, what that does.
I gotta hang on. I gotta turn off everybody's texting
in so fast. Okay, let me take a quick time out.
We'll be back with these right after this. Mandy. My
first job was to husk corn for a restaurant about
nineteen seventy four. Received ten cents per dozen ears. Shut.

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I bet you can shuck corn as fast as I can.
You know they have in the grocery store. They have
the big bucket or the big trash can where you
can shuck your corn right there. I've bet people in
our Kingsoper's comment on my corn shucking abilities. Oh yeah,
I'm quite the shucker. Yep, I am quite speedy. Let
me see here two thousand pizza hut six forty two

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per hour and free pizza. Always wanted to work in
a Blockbuster, but they all closed down by the time
I was old enough. I worked in a what was
the name of that place? Was it pick a flick? Video?
Wasn't Blockbuster. We didn't have cool uniforms. Paper Boy nineteen
seventy maybe fifteen dollars monthly. Ten years old Mandy. I
carried golf bags at eleven and twelve years old and

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made forty bucks per round plus tips plus snacks at
the Halfway House live in Large. At eleven, My first
job was working in a parking lot at a concert venue.
I saw a bunch of free shows. I also helped
my dad's farmers' markets, and my first paid TV film
job was an indie film that paid fifty dollars per
day for a twelve hour day. I don't know if

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you know this, ladies and gentlemen, but I too have
had paid acting gigs. As a matter of fact, the
FBI paid me to be a person who came to
there how to be a hostage and live conference, and
I played the role of both a hostage taker and
a hostage in telephone negotiations from behind a wall. I

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made five hundred yep. Best job I ever had, Mandy,
nineteen seventy four cook for KFC, big pressure cookers, four
in a degree oil, greasy floors, and raw chicken, all
for a bucks seventy five an hour. Mandy, I was
at Marshall's in nineteen eighty four, was paid three sixty
five an hour. And I bet you spent it all
at Marshall's, did you? I bet you did. First job

(01:19:19):
as a janitor in my mom's office at a concrete company,
paid three bucks an hour. I'm a numbers guy, so
I figured out I was making a nickel each and
every minute. I must have been invigorating Mandy, my woop
got that one. Don't remember the wage, but my first job,
circing at nineteen eighty three was in a one hour
photo developing place, an industry that doesn't exist anymore. How

(01:19:41):
many naked pictures? Did you see a people at that
one hour development place? That's what I want to know.
I made two forty an hour in nineteen seventy six,
when I was sixteen, pushing a mower for Liquood Parks
nineteen seventy six. Worked in a busher chop during the
cleaning and bike deliveries. Buck ninety five an hour plus tips.
First job nineteen seventy three. I detasseled corn in Iowa

(01:20:04):
and oh boy, that's a job that'll never end in
Iowa two thousand and three and got paid twenty dollars
an hour with ten percent commission. What were you selling?
Two thousand and three, Mandy. I worked at Mister Donut
in nineteen seventy six, cleaning up the store. I think
I made two forty five an hour. When I was fifteen,
worked at the em Club in Bad Kissing in Germany.

(01:20:26):
What sixteen years old nineteen seventy five buck ninety five
an hour? Mandy just turned sixteen in nineteen eighty nine,
nice Mexican restaurant bussing tables. Maybe five bucks an hour,
but made bank taking ten percent off tips, rolling in
cash for a sophomore exactly. For years I worked side

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hustle gigs after high school. Then I joined the military
in nineteen ninety nine. I made about six hundred and
fifty bucks a month after taxes. Yeah, yeah, four ten
an hour trim and Christmas trees. I was thirteen going
on fourteen when I had my first job. I was
a dishwasher at Mickey's, which is still located at sixty
fourth and Broadway. I love that place. I started out

(01:21:09):
in my dad's apprentice at Grandpa's fire sprinkler company when
I was twelve. Spent that summer making five fifteen minimum
wage hauling steel pipe and fittings through the attics to
the journeyman in the assisted living facility which we were
installing a new system nineteen ninety six. Mandy. Aside from
paper delivery ages nine to fourteen, my first summer job
age fourteen in nineteen eighty six, I was a kennel

(01:21:31):
attendant at the Longmont Humane Society, cleaning dog and cat kennels.
That job sounds really kind of crappy. See what I
did there. And last one, Mandy, I worked at Rax
Roast Beef fast food place for two eighty five an
hour in nineteen eighty five. I was fifteen, best little job.
It was a summer first job experience. Don't regret it,

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but the uniform was barf ugly. Can I just say this,
I still miss Rax Roast Beef. Those jumocha shakes. I
don't know what they put in those. Man Arby's needs
to stop the meets and get more of those milkshakes
from racks we have. My next guest is with an
organization called Do No Harm, and Do No Harm is
a group and I don't know if it's all medical

(01:22:13):
personnel in Do No Harm, but they are working to
drive this kind of political gender ideology out of medicine.
I might be paraphrasing a little too generously there, but
doctor Kurt Masseli is joining me now to talk about
a complaint they filed about the University of Connecticut when
it comes to limiting access to certain externships. First of all, Kurt,

(01:22:38):
welcome the show.

Speaker 10 (01:22:42):
Oh pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
First of all, I just kind of badly encapsulated what
do Not Harm do No Harm does? Can you tell
my audience a little bit better what the purpose of
Do No Harm is and who's a part of it.

Speaker 10 (01:22:56):
Absolutely so. We're an organization of over thirty thousand members
could be medical people or non medical people, citizens, policymakers, physicians, nurses,
the whole nine yards, and we're focused on really two
main issues and that's getting identity politics out of medicine
and also focusing on keeping kids safe from harmful gender ideology.

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So those are our real two main focuses. We want
to bring medicine back to focusing on excellence, on quality,
on patients and not dealing with the social engineering and
the social justice movements and the other dei ideology that
has really taken it by storm.

Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
I mentioned this too, doctor Masseli before we came on
the air. It's gotten to the point now where I'm
hearing terrible stories about the competency of some of the
medical students in various very high level programs. I have
already decided I will never see a doctor that's come
out of UCLA in the past ten years because of
some of the things I've heard there. But this in

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Connecticut is one of those examples of a well intended
program that actually ends up being very racially biased. So
what did you guys file a complaint about specifically?

Speaker 10 (01:24:08):
Absolutely so, as you mentioned University of Connecticut School of
Medicine as an external clerkship program that they offer to
their fourth year medicals that offer fourth year medical students,
and so these are really coveted spots when you're our
fourth year medical student, you're in your last year, you're
looking to go to residency. And oftentimes these programs will
use these externships as a means of recruiting and attracting

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those future residents there. And so they could be in drmatology,
they could be in internal medicine, they could be in
whatever field it might be that the university is offering.
And what University of Connecticut has done is they focus
this rotation, this externship which offers a fifteen hundred dollars
scholarship as well to pay for travel and living expenses
while you're there for the four week rotation. They've offered

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it really only to those underrepresentative medicine, and so those
who are Wide or Asian are really unable to apply.
And that's a big problem, a racial discrimination that's involved.
And again, these are very much coveted spots. There are
spots that allow you to effectively audition for the residency
program by making those connections, meeting folks and such. And
you know, it's certainly our belief that you should be

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looking for the most qualified and exceptional folks and no
matter who they are, no matter what the color of
their skin is, they're dender, their race, whatever they are,
whoever they are. That the key is really flatting the
most qualified and best applicants and not again sort of
socially engineering this to just pick people of certain characteristics.
And you know that is just It's wrong from a
moral standpoint, it's certainly wrong from a legal standpoint, and

(01:25:35):
it also creates this terrible divisiveness in society, and we've seen,
unfortunately DEI do that in many respects. And as you mentioned,
you know, the initial I guess good intentions really do
those south and unfortunately really poison the well of medicine
as opposed to to really helping us focus on the
quality of the patient and the quality of the student

(01:25:57):
and the doctor that one will have when one is
in the of care.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
I think most people, and I'm sure that they are
outliers to what I'm about to say, but I think
most people want a great doctor and how they look,
their background, their history doesn't really matter, Like I just
want a great doctor who knows how to deal with
whatever medical issue that I am dealing with. And I
think that to the point you were just making, this

(01:26:21):
actually can have the effect of hurting underrepresented groups in medicine,
if the perception exists that they were only elevated to
that position because of their race, they only got their
residency because of their race, And that's unfortunate and it
really undermines the credibility of hard working minorities who are

(01:26:42):
well qualified and well trained and great doctors to even
have that shadow cast over them. I mean, I think
that should be a significant concern.

Speaker 10 (01:26:52):
I think that's well said. Mandy, You're absolutely right. I mean,
folks want the very best when they're in the r
when they're in the er, wherever they are in that
medical system, that medical change. You want the very best provider,
and you want to have confidence that that person is
the very best. And how awful that is for someone
who is underrepresented, who is highly qualified, who is treating you.
There should be no doubt that that person is there

(01:27:13):
because of their qualifications. And unfortunately Dion has caused much
of that undermining. And again, our focus really should be
on quality, on elevating the patient care that's being delivered,
and focusing on those things that really matter.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
So let me ask this question about about this particular issue.
This is in Connecticut. How many other programs like this
exist across the country. How many other complaints is do
no harm and you know, filing on a regular basis,
How pervasive is this sort of thing?

Speaker 10 (01:27:43):
Yeah, I mean, unfortunately, we do see this. I mean
we've seen it for the past years and know some
years ago Medical University of South Carolina believe was one
where we filed the complaints. They change their ways, and
that's that's a positive. That's certainly what we want to see.
We want to see programs like this that have these
externships that are opened up to to folks again of
all colors and creeds and allow really the best in

(01:28:04):
the brightest to be participants in them. But unfortunately, there
are many programs that still exists that are out there
like this, and it's it is important for us to
file these complaints and to really again advocate for merit,
to advocate for excellence, and to promote that that's that's
what Americans want, that's what we really need in medicine,
and certainly in this day and age, it's it's critical

(01:28:24):
for us to continue this work. So unfortunately, this is
a probably have seen elsewhere. We've seen it in various
forms in other locations, and we file similar ocr complaints
in terms of guysing Air and Duke University. So there
are others that are that are certainly there, and we
again our hope is that in the end, as these
investigations are done, the universities will change those programs that

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will open them up.

Speaker 6 (01:28:48):
Sitect.

Speaker 10 (01:28:48):
We have all students who are able to apply and
to be part of it, and again for the best
and the brightest to really be those who are selected
and continue to advance quality of medicine.

Speaker 4 (01:28:59):
Let me ask for one point of clarification because I
think I know this, but then I'm thinking about it
and I'm thinking maybe other people don't. I think people
assume that when you go to medical school you sort
of automatically get a residency. That's not how it happens.
How do people get a residency other than what we're
talking about now, which is an externship the fourth year.
If you don't have that, is it harder to get
a residency? Tell me about that process?

Speaker 10 (01:29:21):
Yeah, no, certainly these externships in some respects or auditions, right,
it gives you an opportunity to meet the folks that
are at another university that you haven't been going to
school at and so it allows you to show your
stuff and to show to make those connections, to build
those bonds, and so in many respects, they are an audition,
and that's a good thing. It gives the resident, the

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medical student a sense of what would it be like
to be a resident here, and likewise, it gives the
residency program a sense of what would it be like
to have that medical student here. And certainly if they
like you, they would be more likely to put you
into the match. And so what happens is that during
that fourth year of medical school, yeah, residents or medical
students are looking for residents programs and they're effectively they're

(01:30:03):
effectively interviewing there, and they're then ranking them in a
match system. In March, the match results come out and
so you find out where we are and really what
that match process is, it's it's very much like a
dating process. You would rank the top schools that you
want to go to for your residency. The residency programs
ranked the top residents that they would like to see,
and there are top medical students they'd like to see
in their residency class. And it goes into a mathematical

(01:30:25):
formula and then you know, you get a letter and
you find out where you're going. So it's it is
a competitive process. And you know, for certain residency programs
like dermatology, like orthopedic surgery, those are very competitive, those
are really extraordinarily high demand, and you know, unfortunately what's
happened in many medical schools is it's hard for a

(01:30:46):
residency program to distinguish who are the excellent and the
well qualified folks that should be in these programs. Partly
because the us MLA, it's our licensing exam that we
take the first part of that which is given after
the second year of ment. The school is now pass fail,
so there's no distinction there. So I think if you failed,
but there's no distinction within the past category of how

(01:31:06):
well did you pass and such. And likewise, many medical
schools have moved to grading systems that are pass failed
themselves and so there's no ABC or honors, high pass
and such, and it becomes very difficult to really tell
who should in the next neurosurgeon be or who should
the next plastic surgeon be. It becomes a highly, very

(01:31:26):
ambiguous and that makes these externships even more important, where
folks have the opportunity to really show who they are
and be able to build those relationships and perhaps match
into those programs. There's certainly other residency spots out there
that aren't as competitive, and you know, oftentimes those are
in the primary care fields. But nonetheless, we still want

(01:31:47):
the very best, whether it's in primary care and certainly
the specialties like the surgeries, the neurosurgeries and the like.

Speaker 4 (01:31:54):
I am shocked to hear about the past fail thing.
But you know the old joke. I'm sure you've heard it.
What do you call the person who graduated last in
medical school doctor?

Speaker 6 (01:32:03):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:32:03):
I mean, there's still I guess if they're passing. And honestly,
like I couldn't tell you what the rank of any
of my doctors are in medical school, but I will
tell you this, I have heard enough bad things about
Ivy League medical schools in the way that they are
conducting their business that it gives me pause before I
would see a new doctor who came out of Columbia
or came out of UCLA, or came out of some

(01:32:25):
of these premiere programs because of the kind of nonsense
that you're pushing back against. Now, I just want a
great doctor, that's all I want. Great doctor don't care
anything else about you. Great doctor is all I need
for it. I'll let you have the last word.

Speaker 10 (01:32:40):
Yeah, you're absolutely right. When I went to medical school,
we did hear the adage of P equals MD, pass
equals MD.

Speaker 6 (01:32:46):
But you know what that is.

Speaker 10 (01:32:47):
It's not good for us to go to the lowest
common denominator. We should really want to excel. And I
think that's the point. A was an article in the
Newland Drill Medicine that spoke to that effect that unfortunately,
this diminishment of really any sort of distinction has become
because people aren't striving as hard. And I think if
in any avenue, we want healthcare to add folks who
are striving hard again, really excelling in every way, shape

(01:33:11):
and form if they can. And unfortunately we're losing that,
and it's important for us to focus on that. And
you know, we'd love to have folks join Do No Harm,
to really join us in this cause of getting identity
politics out of medicine. We're at donoharmmedicine dot org and likewise,
keeping kids safe from gender ideology.

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
Doctor Kurt Mascelli. I put a link on my blog
today if people are driving so they don't have to
remember that. I appreciate your time today and I'll be
watching to see what happens at the University of Connecticut
because of your organization.

Speaker 10 (01:33:41):
Appreciate it, Mandy, Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
All right, have a great day. That is doctor Kurt
Masseli with Do No Harm. Now, look what the cat
dragged in, everybody. It's Ben Albright? And are you wearing
a Christmas outfit today? Because it's Christmas for Ben Albright
today it's the beginning of the NFL season, only the
holiest day of the year.

Speaker 7 (01:34:00):
I'm in my sacramental Miaggi do T shirt here, uh,
as well as a pair of black sweatpants.

Speaker 4 (01:34:07):
Yeah, so obviously I dressed out. Yeah, decked out for
the for the thing. Okay, Obviously you guys have been
talking about the NFL season. I have been mildly paying
attention because I am not obsessed like you guys are.
But what are we looking at? I heard you guys
talking yesterday about Bronco's optimism, Bronco fan optimism that I

(01:34:28):
love Bronco fans. I love them for this. What is
the optimism level of Bronco fans right now? What was
it like ninety six percent. Yeah, I think something. It
was absolutely an absurdly high number.

Speaker 7 (01:34:40):
I mean, I'm not trying to tell anybody how to fan,
but i mean, yeah, my goodness.

Speaker 4 (01:34:45):
Yeah, you set yourself up for disappointment. That's what I
tend to be, you know me blanket, Oh, I mean blanket,
all right, maybe, but I did to to stay in
the middle.

Speaker 7 (01:34:57):
I don't get overly excited about things, but I don't
get overly negative things.

Speaker 4 (01:35:00):
Either, to to stay in that, you know, in that middle, uh,
the middle of the bell curve. And so that's that's
kind of where I am with this.

Speaker 7 (01:35:06):
I'll get excited once it, you know, if it warrants it,
we rip off thirteen wins and start, you know, start
hitting the playoffs and winning games.

Speaker 4 (01:35:12):
You're part of the ninety seven percent right now, Well,
I will say that we were gonna win thirteen games.
That's all you got out of that. You know what
I heard Monday night at the Rockies game. I heard
that deal and Doug was going to buy the Rockies.
And I'm just saying deal. And Doug did not say no.
He was sitting right rock the usual seat conversation about it.
He did not say no. Well, first he didn't say yes,

(01:35:35):
I didn't.

Speaker 7 (01:35:35):
Be for sale, and I'm not Doug's got money, but
I'm not sure he's got that kind of money.

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
I bet he could pull it together. That this is
just let me say, people may not realize that Deal
and Doug has sweet season tickets to the Rockies right
behind home base and Dealan Doug is at almost every game.
That guy is the o G Rockies fan. Like, we
could do worse if Deal and Doug about the Rockies.
I'm just saying, I did hear that Monday, though I

(01:36:01):
might have said it and then I heard it, but
you know, yeah, whatever, he didn't say.

Speaker 7 (01:36:05):
No, he's at everyone that I've ever been to. There
right there, we get of course, we get us nice
seats right there. Here's the best seats I think you
can buy because you get buy the seats that we
set in.

Speaker 4 (01:36:12):
But he has like the best seats you can buy.
And he's just he's such a diehard for anyway, back
to the NFL, who did you no last year you
picked the right Super Bowl tit.

Speaker 7 (01:36:21):
I picked the Chiefs and this year this year I
took the Bills and the Packers. So we'll see how
that shakes out.

Speaker 4 (01:36:28):
Obviously, he's part of the three percent ladies in Jeral.
I'm back on the other side of it now. Yeah,
do you think we finished? I mean, how do we do?
I think we can we The West there second or
first in the AFC West, I think is within reach.
You know, do you think the Chiefs probably in the playoffs?
Well at some point, Yeah, they.

Speaker 7 (01:36:48):
Don't have field advantage obviously if they win the division,
so that that's tough. But yeah, I mean I think
that they they probably they win the division until somebody.

Speaker 4 (01:36:57):
Else takes it from him. That's that's kind of how
I look at things. I don't know, I feel like
I feel like they're beatable. I feel like this year
not this and I'm not even like we'll see now
Travis has a wedding to plan. Yeah, that can keep
the multi very distracting. Apparently, Uh, what's her face?

Speaker 7 (01:37:17):
Taylor Swift reached out to Uh, what's that Mama's Cabins place?

Speaker 4 (01:37:21):
You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, the Mama's Cabins.

Speaker 7 (01:37:24):
They do all the luck they get away cabins and
stuff down up and down the range.

Speaker 4 (01:37:28):
Uh, she shared the DMS.

Speaker 7 (01:37:29):
I guess she reached out looking for uh, some kind
of honeymoon getaway cabinet type stuff. So yeah, maybe they
may be doing their honeymoon out here, which would be weird.

Speaker 4 (01:37:37):
I mean, that would be kind of that a y
honeymoon out here. I was living in Florida, obviously weird
came out here in February, making my point for me. Yeah,
I'm just saying, yeah, it was a lovely place to honeymoon.
It was fantastic. Mandy Broncos fans remind me of Yankees
fans every year they think the championship Chip championship team
without the twenty seven championships. Yeah, it was funny because

(01:37:59):
New York fans like that. In general. It's not just Yankees,
it's New York fans.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
It's Knicks fans, Giants.

Speaker 4 (01:38:06):
Fans, Our Giants fans fired off this year.

Speaker 7 (01:38:09):
You got Russell Wilson. They're the third team to try
to talk to themselves into rust in three years.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
It's it's fun.

Speaker 4 (01:38:15):
New York has a has.

Speaker 7 (01:38:16):
An an inflated sense of self and an and an
overabundance of confidence in itself.

Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
I mean, they're on Texas, but they do have an
overinflated sense of self when it comes to sports.

Speaker 7 (01:38:26):
Yeah, and so that's that's kind of funny to watch.
I think every year it's with you. Nick Ferguson's like
a Yankees and a Knicks fan, so up in Miami.

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
Which anyway, why would we want to listen to a
non fan talk about the Broncos because maybe you want
to hear a realistic projection. Yeah, I mean, because I'm
not biased with you, we can like we can homer
it up, we can tell you that everything. I mean,
they're gonna win the bye week. Everything is cool when
you're part of the team. Tell me you get that

(01:38:56):
sound by everything is that bad?

Speaker 7 (01:38:59):
I mean, like I honestly like I had to put
aside any fandom that I have when when you cover
the team, I feel like it's in coming to it
to put that aside politics the objective and try to try.

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
And try to cover his His sent asked how much
of the Rockies two buttons in a rock It might
be a half a button these days, still people sitting
in the seats though, even though there are people from
the other team. More sports talk coming up in just
a moment with our friends at KAA Sports. But now
it's time for the most exciting segment all the radio

(01:39:29):
of is kind. That was a good one. I like
the drama. I like the sort of dragging it out
but not too much. That was a good one. Rockies
are worth about one point five billion. Brian should feel
the breath on his neck, okay, but he should of
the standing up. What is our dad joke of the day, please, Anthony,

(01:39:53):
What do you call a zombie who does not joke around?

Speaker 10 (01:40:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:40:01):
Undead serious? That that's funny, thank you, that's a funny one.
What is our word of the day please? Is non abeyance? Abeyance?

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Abeyance?

Speaker 4 (01:40:15):
I feel like this is a legal term that means
you have to stop something or it's like an order
where you have to stop doing something or fix something,
or something where you suspend something. Frankery, Oh well.

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
There you go.

Speaker 5 (01:40:28):
Abeyance is a formal word that is almost always used
in the phrase in abeyance to describe something in a
temporary state of inactivity.

Speaker 4 (01:40:36):
I'm giving myself partial credit then full credit on that one.
I know I've seen that in legal documents before. Anyway,
where in the world are the Great Kobuk Sand Dunes
located kob Uk turky cob That sounds like Turkey, doesn't it.
That might be a very good guess. I'm gonna go
from Morocco. That's also a good guess. I'm gonna go Chad,

(01:40:58):
because nobody ever guesses Chad. I'm going Chad, and we
are all so wrong. They are in Alaska. These massive
piles of golden sand, a stark contract to their forested
surroundings are part of the migration path of the western
Arctic caribou. The kobook Kobuk co kob Uk sand Dunes,
Great Kobuk sand Dunes. This is why we do the show.

(01:41:22):
This is why we do this game. Learn something over
yet exactly all right? What is our Jeopardy category?

Speaker 5 (01:41:29):
Security? Okay, security isn't in the answers. Just everything has
to do with security. Okay, all right, we need you
to bring a wand up front. Someone set off the
walk through.

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
What is the metal detector? Correct this one.

Speaker 5 (01:41:44):
I'm gonna let you have either answer because I've never
heard of this other one. But we'll see if you
get it. No pocketing two company pens does not call
for a full this with your hands locked behind the
offender's neck.

Speaker 4 (01:41:59):
A full blank. Oh, Ben, that's uh weird naked choke
or Nelson. Well, yeah, there you go, Nelson. We'll give
it to them, we'll get it on.

Speaker 5 (01:42:10):
When you told Eric to bring this to work, I
think you meant a deterrent spray, not a spiked club.

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
And then oh crap, so ready pulled it out right
the last second, the r f I D system short
for this identification is not working. What is the radio
frequency identity device? No, I don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:42:33):
I'm going to give it to you. Then she's right
on the first three, but I can't remember the I was.

Speaker 5 (01:42:43):
Like, I don't know what the d's doing, and he
had their first bit radio frequency identification.

Speaker 4 (01:42:49):
Oh, there's identification. So the D is just part of.

Speaker 5 (01:42:55):
Well, for fun, the intruder wouldn't stop, and now we
have a breach of this all. Also a geometry term,
what's the perimeter?

Speaker 4 (01:43:02):
That is correct? But I believe that doesn't hapen, Andy L.
That's like when people think it's or ATM machine. Yeah,
that's you're getting your money out of the automated tele
machine machine things. Whatever. There's gonna be a little bit
of football talk coming up on KA Sports. Uh, Ben,

(01:43:24):
are you in on he's in. He's in. Ben's in,
so you'll be able to hear the wet blanket live
for the next three hours. The damp blanket. It's been
in the dry oh, so it's warm. So now Ben
is a warm, damp blanket. So I just tell you
want it sounds cozy. We'll be back tomorrow.