09-26-25 FULL SHOW - Black Culture, Rick Lewis, and Author Jim Butcher

I've got Rick Lewis in to talk about a fundraiser his band is playing, Nick Ferguson and Steven Williams to talk black culture, and Dresden Files author Jim Dresden to talk about his new book.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:11):
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Speaker 4 (00:15):
Got want to study the Nicey Ray Bandy Connall keeping
your sadding Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to a Friday edition of
the show. I'm your host for the next three hours,
Mandy Condle altogether. Now you did me to step on

(00:47):
pepula few fog horn leghorn? Oh yeah, I always get
them ball. That man with his finger on the ear
horn button, that is Hey Rod. We call him Anthony Roder. Yes, donold.
It is a fry Day edition of the show. You
know what I did this morning? Uh, Anthony?

Speaker 5 (01:06):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:07):
I went to see Run and Creek Dental and I
got the I'm doing the aligner based straightening, you know,
like in visil Line. That's a different brand. It's called
Ortho something ORTHOFX or something like that. And they had
to put these little they call them buttons. They put
these buttons on your teeth, so the trays that you
put in snap in place. And I just feel like

(01:30):
I have food in all of my teeth right now,
and I don't know how I'm gonna get through the
show like this, because now that I'm talking now, it's like,
oh God, what do I have in there?

Speaker 6 (01:39):
But it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
It's it's just my mouth has to get used to this.
But I'll be excited because my teeth will once again
be straight. My bottom teeth were never straight, but my
top teeth used to be straight. As I've gotten older,
I know I'm not wearing them now. I do have
a little bit of a kit, you know, like a
little bit of a lisp. But that's just me getting
you to this stuff. Anyway. Government on a verge of

(02:02):
a financial shutdown, yet party boy Pete calls all staffed
to Quantico can't be cheap. Thoughts that from the text line,
it's going to be that kind of party.

Speaker 6 (02:10):
Huh.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
That's what we're gonna do right out of the shoot.
That's what first thing right there, first text right there,
that's well, it is a free for all Friday. Let's
talk about the blog and then I'll come back to
that in one moment.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Stop question what determines the difference between a free for
all Friday and ask me anything Friday?

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Really nothing, It's just branding, any branding. I feel like
people are when they're given permission to just ask me
any I feel like that's you know, I don't know,
ask me anything that seems better, making sure I don't
have to do something different, No same thing, okay, all branding,
all right, just branding. Anyway, Let's go to the blog

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because we've got a lot of stuff. We got a
lot of guests, and it's going to be a great show.
But I got a lot of stuff for you to
read on the blog over the weekend if you have
time or today, whichever works. Find the blog by going
to Mandy's blog dot com. That's mandy'sblog dot com, or
just click on over to Randy Cromwell dot com. Either
one works. Then go to the latest post section. Look
for the headline that says nine twenty six twenty five

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blog Black Culture Rick Lewis and author Jim Butcher. Click
on that, and here are the headlines you will find within.

Speaker 7 (03:18):
I didn't in office half American all with ships and clipments,
a team that's going to press plant.

Speaker 6 (03:24):
Today on the blog.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Let's use something different ish today rick Lewis is playing
around does black culture embrace violence? Dresden Files author Jim
Butcher Today at two thirty Do better. Denver is back.
Hospital maternity units are shutting down. A micro community explosion
is the last straw. James Comey has been indicted. One

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of the og left wing attackers is dead. The Tailan
Hall autism thing isn't new. Road rage leads to death
and murder charges Shenanigan's in Lakewood with Jeffco Public schools.
More on the other victim in the Evergreen shootings. Confidence
in certain classes isn't great. Denver is a certified accessible destination.

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Is a world full of only children? A great idea
proving you're an American. There's an old timmy baseball game
coming up. The psychology of new homes that makes them weird?
More fair mongering from left political leadership. Spaceball's two gets
a table reading if golf and football commentators switch styles.

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A cute gender revealed that doesn't leave a huge mess.
Trump and Elon are back together again. What people are
called from various states. Sometimes it's better to remain silent
and let people think you are an idiot. Those are
the headlines on the blog at mandy'sblog dot com tech
Toe a winner. Thanks Nancy, You gots are the best Mandy,

(04:50):
is this a fluffy Friday? Or can we ask serious
questions or make serious comments like your first text? Yes,
and you actually typed out texture like your first texture.
Speaking of texture, let me just give you an indicaate.
You can ask anything you guys, you can be serious.
And I'm gonna address this guy's question in just a second.
But does anybody have any great YouTube videos on how

(05:12):
to fix do a drywall? Patch? And then I have
textured walls in my nineteen eighty three house. That is
where I'm stuck. Does anybody have any advice on how
I can fix a hole in my basement bathroom in
the wall? I mean I can. I know how to
repair drywall. I just don't know how to fix the
knockdown texture. That's my question. How do you do that?

(05:36):
Obviously it can be done.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Is it popcorn?

Speaker 4 (05:38):
No, it's it's like an orange peel type texture on
the wall. I hate it, I mean I really hate it.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Why just get rid of it now?

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Because it's in my entire house. Oh yeah, yike, the
whole house, and I it's it's just it's one of
those jobs that in theory, I would love to do it.
But if I if I didn't live there. I would
just go in and just stand it all down. If
you can even do that, I don't know. But I
got to fix this drywall. And there's got to be

(06:09):
a YouTube video or something. So if anybody knows that,
you can either email it to me at Mandyconnell at
iHeartMedia dot com. Mandyconnell, iHeartMedia dot com, or you can
text me your suggestions and I'll grab them. Let's see, Mandy,
where is it?

Speaker 5 (06:25):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Here we go, government on the verge of a financial shutdown.
Yet party boy Pete calls all staffed to Quantico.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
Can't be cheap thoughts.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
First of all, I have no idea why Pete headset
Hegseth is going to is having everybody go to Quantica.
I have no clue. I have no idea what the
situation is, what it requires, what kind of security? I
have no idea, And frankly textor you don't either. And
you know, getting all of our leadership in one place,

(06:54):
if that's necessary for some reason, that is a function
of government. That is okay, we spend money on weight
dummer stuff than that. I'm more worried about the waste
in the Pentagon when it comes to defense contracting. Question is, yes, I've.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Got been going down the rabbit hole on this thing,
and everyone has their conspiracy theories about this. Either way,
whether it's something serious or it's not. Why the hell
has this come out in the public. Because if it's
not something serious, a whole bunch of people that don't
like us now know where a whole lot of leaders
are going to be at a certain time.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Of day and time.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
If it is serious, well then that's the holy crap
either way, So why is this public knowledge regardless because
it's worrisome. It's either something serious worrysome or everyone knows
where they're all going to be now worrisome.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
So why the hell is this out in.

Speaker 6 (07:41):
The arm I have idea.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
It's not good.

Speaker 6 (07:44):
Yep, not good.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
I mean if I were, then whether serious or not,
you reschedule and change that entire thing. You can't now
go forward with that knowing with everyone knowing that's what
they're gonna be.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
But we have no idea why that is, and we
have no idea what they're talking about. So I don't know.
I saw, Oh, it's incredibly rare. I saw the story.
But until we have some clarity on what they're doing.
I can't pass judgment on whether it's necessary or not.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
I just don't.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
You just can't have that. Now you have to change it.
You have to change the location, you have to change
the time. You got to change everything.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Now, here's the thing. A rod barring a missile strike,
Quantico is one of the safest places you could be
for this kind of meeting, barring a missile strike. And
we have plenty of warning. It's not like we're right
next to It's not like we're Israel and you know
Lebanon is firing missiles at us. We got plenty of warning. Anyway, Uh,
spray can texture. Okay, but okay, that's this person says, easy, peasy.

(08:38):
Should I make a video of me trying to fix
this drywall and just we'll put that on social media
because I guarantee you it will be worth Suprice of admitted.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Where you just ask who wants to come to drywall?

Speaker 4 (08:46):
No, I don't want to do that. I want to
see if I can do it myself. I see you, guys.
I see people on YouTube and Instagram and they're redoing
their entire houses. And I'm thinking to myself, Amandy, You're
probably smarter than they are. What is your problem? You
can figure this out. We'll find out. Yeah, let me
see here. I just saw, Oh, hang on too many

(09:08):
updated here. You guys are too active. I wasn't ready
for that. We're gonna go sixty seconds or we're gonna
go to go.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
We canna go to off so it doesn't refresh on you.

Speaker 6 (09:17):
That doesn't matter. I mean, that's whatever.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
It's I got fifty on there now it's Oh, it's
all good, It's all fine there, everything's good.

Speaker 8 (09:23):
It is.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
It is a Friday where you can ask anything. Is
Mandy Connell your real name? It wasn't one, of course,
it wasn't. One point. It is my first married name.
It is not my real name now, and I'll never
tell because then you guys would totally know my superhero
name too. Probably try and.

Speaker 6 (09:41):
Get me a cape.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
Please tell a Rod. His mom said Happy Sun's Day
and that she is really proud of him and how
hard he works and makes her smile and also laugh
at his daily dad jokes.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Wow, that's really nice.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
Wich.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
My mom would say that.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Oh wait, she signed it, b Rod. Wait, Yeah, she
signed it b Rod. I'm gonna guess that's really hard.

Speaker 6 (09:59):
I know.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
Happy Friday, Mandy. Will you have a show on Monday?
Will be pre empted for a seven hour Broncos game.
Fingo dingo, I will not have a show on Monday, Mandy.
For Butcher, if you need some icebreakers aside from traditional
fantasy offers like Tolkien, did he enjoy a lot of
their noir and pulp growing up from people like Chandler
Hamnit or Splane? Did he save his early tag Nabbit? Okay,

(10:25):
so I'm interviewing Jim Butcher. I'm turning the refresh off, Anthony,
you were right. So Jim Butcher is an author of
a series called The Dresden Files, and my son turned
me onto it a few years ago, and it's really good.
Harry Dresden, the main character is a wizard and a
private detective in modern day Chicago, and it's so good.

(10:46):
But my son, when I told him that I was
interviewing Jim Butcher, sent me a list of the nerdiest
like most inside baseball questions you have ever heard in
your life? And I was like, aw, that's so sweet.
But I can't ask these because most people haven't read
these books. Have you have you ever heard of the
dressden files?

Speaker 5 (11:03):
No?

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Really good no, Since it's asked you anything, it's also
tell you anything randomly random times. I don't know if
you saw this. Sinclair has caved. Oh they're gonna hear
that y Kimmel show. They will end their preemption, they
will start airing it all right, there you go, there
you go.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
Umm again, it doesn't affect me at all because I
won't watch the show. Hi, Mandy, can you explain why
it's racist to dislike Jews without any tone or prejudice,
pre justice, prejudice. We hear in school all the time.
We have a teacher who's pro Israel and then another
one who is hardcore anti Israel, and the pro Israel
teacher says we're racist if we dislike Jews or Israel.

(11:38):
Can you explain thanks. I do think you can criticize
Israel without criticizing Jews. If you talk about decisions that
are being made by the Israeli government that is indeed
run by a Jewish leader at this moment, that's one thing.
But disliking Jews is just like saying if you just

(11:59):
say I don't like Jewish people, that would be the
what if I said I don't like black people. And
because Jewish Judaism, for the most part, is a birthright religion.
You can convert to Judaism, of course, but it is
very much a birthright religion and an ethnicity as well.
So just like being Hispanic or being Cuban, for instance, specifically,

(12:21):
you may be you're Cuban, you're a Latino, and that
it's part of your ethnicity, so you can criticize Cuba
and not be criticizing all of Latinos. I disagree with
your with your teacher who says if you dislike Israel
or the Jews, you are racist. Now I would ask
you why you dislike Israel so much, because when you

(12:42):
start drilling down on why people dislike Israel, many times
it comes down to someone saying, I don't like the
notion of a state founded in religion, right, but it's
surrounded by like thirty six Muslim nation, nations where other

(13:03):
where other churches are being burned down, nations where Christians
are being killed. Five thousand Christians have been killed. I
want to say in Nigeria this year, but I'm not positive,
but I know it's an African nation that is predominantly Muslim.
So if the reason you don't like Israel is because
you are offended by the notion of a religiously based state,

(13:24):
that I'm assuming that that same dislike also extends to
all of those Muslim nations, or even the UK where
they have the Church of England. What usually happens is
that you have to admit the reason that you don't
like the concept of the state of Israel is because
you've bought into the bill of goods that says Israel

(13:47):
somehow displaced all of the Palestinians. When you look at
the historically Palestinian territory, a lot of it is in Jordan,
a lot of it is in Syria, and.

Speaker 6 (13:56):
A bunch of it's in Egypt as well.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
But nobody's met at Jordan, nobody's mad at Syria, and
nobody's mad at Egypt for displacing the Palestinian people. So
as you start to really think about what is it
about Israel that you texted don't like, I'd like to
know the answer.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
To that question.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
So text me back, why don't you if indeed you're
representing yourself as not liking Israel, or what are the
reasons that you've heard if You're not the person you're
talking about.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
You.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
I'm just curious because when you start asking real questions,
it really comes down to I don't like the Jews
most of the time, because when you start asking, well,
where's your condemnation of Jordan, where's your condemnation of Syria?
Where's your combination of Egypt. By the way, if we
really are all about the Palestinian people, why haven't we
been mad at Egypt? They closed the border with Gaza

(14:41):
years ago? Do you know why? Cause the Palestinians and
Gaza are dangerous, not all of them. There's probably lovely people,
lovely people in Gaza, but a'mas that runs the joint
that was elected in two thousand and seven, who now
runs it like a North Korean dictator inerus. So the
border with Egypt has been closed for years, yet nobody

(15:03):
has been complaining about that. So really what it comes
down to is I don't like Jews because I honestly
have yet to have a genuine conversation with someone about
why they don't like Israel. And I asked them a
series of questions that I just brought up now, and
they have no answer whatsoever, none. They have nothing to
say so anyway to the texture said, I have a

(15:27):
great technique for your drywall. Hard to explain over tex
So email me please with your phone number and I'll
call you after the show. Mandy Connell at iHeartMedia dot com,
I'd appreciate it. Walk up California Patch and then you
can buy a spray texture at home depot California patch.
What's a California patch? There's a why does California have
its own patch?

Speaker 6 (15:48):
Mandy?

Speaker 4 (15:48):
I don't know if you set it up this way,
but I cannot understand a word of your song other
than static and noise. And then the blog news guy,
I can't understand either other than let's go to France flash.
I think I don't know why it's frustrating.

Speaker 7 (16:03):
Office hauth of American all with ships and.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Okay, good evening, mister and missus America and all the
ships at sea.

Speaker 7 (16:10):
I office half of American all with ships and clippers.
That's going to press ship.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
Okay, good evening, mister and missus North and South America
and all the shippers, ships and clippers at sea.

Speaker 7 (16:23):
Let's office half of American all with ships and clippers,
and see, let's going to press flatch.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
Let's go to press. Flash, Let's go to press. That
is Walter Winchel, who was very very famous in the
nineteen forties for his newsreels. He was a very very
famous newsman and that is how he started his newscast,
or some very close variation of that. So that is
the words to that. And if you email me Mandy
Connell at iHeartMedia dot com, I will email you the

(16:49):
words to the song. You know what I need to do,
a Rod. I need to just make that. One of
the buttons at the top of the blog are my
page on KOA and then I could send people there.
Let me tell you about what's coming up on the show.
We got Rick Lewis coming up next. His band, the
Rick Lewis Project. You guys, they are so flipping good.
And I'm not just saying this because I love Rick.

(17:09):
I mean they are Have you ever seen his band?

Speaker 2 (17:11):
I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Holy cow ay Rod, they blow it up. It is
rhetorically not actually they're so good. And they're playing this
weekend in Evergreen for a benefit. And then at one
o'clock I've got Nick Firs, Nick Ferguson and one of
my listeners his name is Stephen Williams, and he was
sort of pressing me when I was talking about violence
and black culture a couple of weeks ago, and he

(17:33):
was pressing me saying, hey, lady, you know I grew
up black, And I was like, come on the show.
So he and Nick, who is also black, are gonna
come on, and we're going to talk about black culture,
black culture and violence and what maybe they see that
I'm not seeing and and maybe I can share with them,
like from the outside looking in. Why I'm getting more

(17:53):
and more frustrated with all of these people who want
to blame white people for their problems while they continue
to make garbage decision for themselves. Right, I'm just I'm
kind of over it. And then at two thirty we
just mentioned this. Jim Butcher writes a series of books
called The Dresden Files and they're very, very good, and
he's coming on at too thirty. He's got a new
book coming out January, twentieth new book in the series.

(18:16):
I believe it's number seventeen, and I'm excited. My son
turned me on to him, and I love his books.
It's like the lead character in The Dresden Files, I
think and guys who have read it can comment on
the text line is kind of like like every guy
kind of wants to be like him. Number one he's
a wizard. Number two he's a private detective. And number

(18:37):
three's relatively grouchy all the time and gets away with it. So,
you know, just stopping to think about, let's do this.
Let's take a time out. Rick Lewis going to pop
in next to talk about how you can come see
his band, and oh boy, you should, voice of the
color analyst from the KOA broadcast team for the I
don't know what I'm trying to say here the Denver Broncos.

(18:59):
You hear him on the radio with Dave Logany's rick
Lewis welcome, Rick, Don't try that on your show, Rick,
I'm a trained professional.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
Yeah, that was kind of a wonky introduction. Yeah, you
know what I did. Hear the beginning of your show
and your blog and you said, rick Lewis plays around
with black culture.

Speaker 6 (19:18):
That is not what I said.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
I said, No, what are we going to talk about?

Speaker 4 (19:25):
What I should say, rick Lewis is playing around? Is
what I said. Rick Lewis is playing around. That's the headline.
And then but to the next headline, does black culture
embrace viles? Okay, maybe I just put a little comma
in their little pause so people will know I was
just telling a rod I was telling off the air.
The Rick Lewis Project is so flipping good. You guys

(19:48):
absolutely cook when you were on stage, and I want
everybody to go see you guys play. So what are
you guys doing exactly at the Little Bear tomorrow night
in Evergreen.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
I appreciate those kind comments, Thank you, Mandy.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
And it's the rest of the people.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
Well, yeah, they're all better than me, are you kidding? Yeah?
This is this is one of Colorado's premier bands. I've
got the top talent around and as I just said,
every one of them's a better musician than I am.
We are going to play a benefit tomorrow night at
the Little Bear, the legendary Little Bear in Evergreen, and

(20:27):
proceeds will go to Evergreen Strong. So all the ticket proceeds,
this is a ticket to show any silent auction And
by the way, I want to thank the Broncos. They
donated a really cool sign Zach Allen Jersey to be
a part of that silent auction And it's basically a

(20:47):
night of music and healing the Evergreen community still reeling
from what happened a couple of weeks ago in Psyche.
The kids just got back to school within the last
couple of days. So come on out tomorrow night, Little
Bear and Evergreen. Showtime is six and my band will
start at eight, and get your tickets at little Bear

(21:07):
live dot com.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
And if people have never been to the Little Bear,
it is a great place to see a band. I mean,
it's just the vibe is cool, the space is cool.
It does get crowded, so I would say if people
are planning on going, get your tickets. I mean, wouldn't
you think this probably could sell out? Don't you think.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
I'm expecting it too, and so are they. Yeah, so
I would definitely try to get your tickets ahead of time.
If you can't, Yeah, there's GA tickets and then there's
some VIP tables and I think maybe the VIP tables, I.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Think they're sold out. I looked earlier today and I
think those are sold out.

Speaker 6 (21:44):
I can't go.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
I have a.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Volunteer commitment that I am I'm going to be doing
tomorrow night, so I can't make it. But I just
you know, Rick, there's a lot of In my radio career,
I have worked with multiple radio personalities who would always
dreamed of being in a band, and they all learned
how to play drums. And I'm not even making this up.
So they all learned how to play drums because I

(22:06):
think it seems the most successible. And then they would
all put bands together and they were perfectly fine, right,
they were nothing wrong with them. You know, it was
just like a vanity project for that radio personality. But
your band truly is outstanding, and I just that's different.
I don't want people to think this is a vanity
project and Rick won't just absolutely rock the house because

(22:27):
he and his band are so good, so good, so
well done, is what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
Thank you, thank you. Yeah, there's a lot of talent
in the band. I think I have probably the two
best guitar players around, certainly the best lead vocalist in
Sarah Hornbooks. Yeah, he's incredible, a great percussionist, great bass player. Yeah,
it's loaded with talent. We've been doing this for a

(22:52):
long time, Mandy. We played a lot of big gigs.
We played all the big venues around here, Red Rocks
and ball Arena, Fiddler's Green. The band's been around for
a while, We're battle tested. This is kind of a
family band at this point. We know each other so well,
and you know, I think it comes across on stage
the love that we have not just for playing music,

(23:15):
but the love that we have for each other in
the group. And it's a lot of fun. It's a
high energy show, and I hope people will come out
and support us tomorrow night and support mainly the community
of Evergreen. These guys need us and they need to
start healing, and you can be a part of that.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
Well. I think it's going to be a great one.
What's your favorite song to play?

Speaker 5 (23:40):
Oh boy? As far as cover songs, there's so many.
We typically close with Rolling Stones Gimme Shelter, and not
too many bands cover that song. Because the female vocal
on that, I forget her name, the original that did

(24:01):
it with the Rolling Stones.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
She also did she did a couple of their songs.
What is her name? I can picture her perfectly in
my mind.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
Same but that that chorus raped murder, you know what
I'm talking about? Uh, nobody can really do that like that,
and Sarah just kills that, and I think that's what
really makes our cover of that song special. We played
that at Fiddler's Green the same day that Charlie Watts died.

(24:29):
The Rolling Stones drummer, right. I think we were opened
it for maybe Sammy Hagar that night and we just
had a short set. They said, you guys can play
one cover song, and that was the one we chose,
and I announced that, you know, this is for Charlie
Watts and all your Rolling Stones fans out there, and
we crushed the cover. I went backstage and these these

(24:53):
grizzled roadies that were backstage that have been on the
road for decades and probably toured with The Stones over
the years. Those guys were crying.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Oh, I love it, I love it.

Speaker 6 (25:04):
It was that powerful.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
Mary Clayton is the woman we're trying to remember, and
she has only done that one song. She just did
get me sheltered with the Stones. I'm confusing her with
another woman completely, but so that's what we're talking about.
That's fantastic. Somebody just asked, were you ever in Government Mule?

Speaker 5 (25:21):
Was I in government? Yeah? No, but I do know
Warren Haines quite well Government Mule before they were really big,
when they were coming through town, and playing like the
Buffalo Rose. We would have him at studio and they
would play specifically for us in studio. And I became
good friends with Warren Haines over the years, and he's
one of the best musicians, best guitar players around, great

(25:45):
songwriter and just a really quality dude. And so no,
I played with Government Mule. I played shows with Government Mule,
but I've never been in the band.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
Okay, clarifying that, And last question, could you please ask
Rick if you have if he has any music uploaded
on YouTube.

Speaker 6 (26:01):
Do you guys have a YouTube page?

Speaker 5 (26:04):
We don't we have. What you should do is go
to the band website, which is Rick lewisproject dot com
and there's a bunch of live videos live performances on there.
And typically, you know, people at the show will shoot
a video on their phone and then post it and
that kind of what it is. So the audio quality
isn't professionalist rough you know, it's not mixed, but you

(26:28):
certainly get the point well.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
And somebody else asks is there a floor for dancing?
There is a floor. Don't think you're going to be
out there ballroom dancing because you'll probably be shoulders shoulder
with everybody else doing the hippie shake. That's kind of
what happens out there.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
That's a great explanation. Yeah, it's I think it holds
about three hundred and fifty people, maybe four hundred, Yeah,
and it'll be packed in there. And the cool part
about the Little Bear there's a balcony up above, which
I believe is where the VIP section is, and those
people are almost looking down right onto the stage. So

(27:02):
it's really cool because you feel like these people are
just hanging pretty much off the balcony just above your
head and feels like a house party. I think that's
a good way to describe it. And if you've ever
been to a cool house party, you know what I'm
talking about. The energy is incredible and this is going
to be a really special night. I heard they had

(27:23):
some high school kids that have volunteered to help out
and work the show. I can't wait to play tomorrow night.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
All right, my friend, have an absolute blast. By the way,
I put a link on my blog for the Ricluis project,
so you can go ahead and check them out and
head out to a Little Bear. I think you have
a great gig man.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
Thank you, Mandy, love you and thanks for having me
on and look forward to getting you back to a
show again.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Yeah, I'll talk to you soon, Rick, that's Rick Lewis. Everybody,
We'll be right back. Thank you, Lee, Texter, Lee listener, Lee,
because Lee sent me incredibly useful information so I can
fix my drywall, like step by step instructions on how
I can practice on cardboard. This is the kind of
information I was looking for. Anyway, does Rick ever play
the drums topless or naked?

Speaker 9 (28:09):
Now?

Speaker 4 (28:09):
See, that is not a question I would ask Rick Lewis.
I'm in the comfort of his own home. I mean,
why not. I've never seen him up on stage topless.
I think it's weird to call guy topless, you know
what I mean? Like he's skins right, Like yeah, Nick Ferguson,
what are you saying?

Speaker 6 (28:30):
Shirtless?

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Shirtless? Shirtless?

Speaker 6 (28:33):
Shirtless?

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Okay, yeah, I don't know. But now now I'm weirdly
gonna have to ask Rick this question next time I
talk to him. So, so, Rick, you ever you ever
play the drums naked? Is that a thing he did?
And then he's gonna be like, wow, that's a weird question.
Many just asked me. And I'm gonna say I'm gon
have to explain. I never thought about that until someone
texted it, and now I kind of want to know.

Speaker 10 (28:55):
Well, if he if you're am a musician and you're
playing to your audience, I'm thing, yeah, you want to
do that certain.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
I mean, I would think so. Rick's a good looking
guy too.

Speaker 6 (29:05):
He's in good shape, you know, especially if you if
you're seeing a guy.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
You know what, though, here's the thing all I can
think of, see this is how fast this went through
my head. Nick, So I'm thinking about how a drummer
looks a lot of up and down leg motion, you know,
and if you're naked, there's a lot of action there
with you know.

Speaker 10 (29:23):
That's why you have one of those little kind of
plastic sweat screens.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Oh okay, yes, okay, I'll just I'm gonna go with that.
Thanks Texter for getting a visual in my mind. I
may never ever get out on that one ever again. Okay,
So coming up in the next hour, obviously, mister Nick
Ferguson already in the studio, and I believe that as

(29:49):
my listener, Steven Williams right there, I'll come get you second.
He's like, hey, hang on, uh, they're gonna come in
because last week I was talking about the connections that
I see from the outside looking in between violence and
black culture and made and I want to be clear,
We're about to having a conversation of sweeping generalizations. Okay,

(30:10):
Sweeping generalizations are those things where you make statements that
do not apply to everyone, but they apply to a
significant number of whatever group you're talking about. And Stephen
sent me a text message was like, you know what
Manny really like? You're a white lady from the suburbs.
I he was very nice about it, and I said,
why don't you come in? Why don't we talk about it?
And then I saw Nick right after that. I'm like, Nick,

(30:31):
as a fellow African American gentleman, you're exactly who I'd.

Speaker 6 (30:34):
Like to talk about.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
And also, Nick, your whole history, your your story, your
family story. We've talked about it a little bit on
the air, we've talked about it off the air. I
think is really, really, really good in the sense that
you have such a keen view of what it's like
to not believe you can succeed and that you're a victim,
and what it looks like when you don't believe you

(30:56):
are a victim because you have it in your family.

Speaker 6 (30:59):
On both side of that coin.

Speaker 10 (31:01):
Yeah, I have a very unique perspective, and my perspective
is not always shared by many in my family and
those in my community.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
And I have no idea what Steven's perspective. And we're
gonna find out in just a few minutes. And as
a matter of fact, Nikolas, is this guy crazy? I go,
I have no idea, but if he is, it'll be
great radio. But I don't think he is. He always
texts and it's always very respectful, you know what I mean.
I wouldn't have invited a jerk on the show. But
we're gonna find out in a few minutes. You'll find
out with us. Keep it on KOA.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
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Speaker 2 (31:36):
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Speaker 6 (31:41):
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Speaker 4 (31:49):
The Nytree, Andy Connell, No sad thing. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome
to the second hour of the show. I'm your host
for the next two hours, Mandy Connell. Anthony Rodriguez right
over there. What's on your shirt? Is that a Star
Wars shirt?

Speaker 2 (32:08):
You're wearing it is on the.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Blog today, a Rod sent me something that was very funnies.
Apparently Spaceball's two has been greenlit. I missed this somehow,
but they did a table reading, which is amazing, where
you all the whole cast sits around and reads the script,
and they did it in such a way that it
was a nod to a Star Wars film.

Speaker 6 (32:29):
This is right.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
I'm not nerdy enough for these people. The Schwaltz exactly.
I hope it doesn't suck. That's all I'm gonna say. Yes,
I got two words for you, Godfather three. Okay, that's
all I'm going to say. Right there joining me in
the studio. That voice you hear over too much from

(32:51):
right to left on your radio dial. We've got Nick
Ferguson over on the right, and then to my left,
we have a new contender to the ring. His name
is Stephen Williams. He's a listener to the show, and
a couple of weeks ago, I was talking about my
perception that violence is a part of black culture in
a way that it is not in other cultures that
I see, whether we're talking about the rate of violent

(33:13):
crime or we're talking about focus on education, or we're
talking about the rate of single parenthood, which I'm hoping.
I did so much research this morning on data and statistics.
It was insane.

Speaker 6 (33:23):
But there's good news. That's why I'm saying this. There's
really good.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
News though, because culturally people are starting to say, you
know what, it sucks being a single parent. I'm sure
it sucks. I mean, parenting is a two person job.
It is some days you got to have somebody to
tag out with, you know what I mean, Just be like,
you handle this.

Speaker 6 (33:42):
I've had enough.

Speaker 10 (33:43):
You have kids, Nick, you know, yes, I do know,
and I know that it takes two individuals. But I
also have lived in a situation where it was just
my mom. And this is why my viewpoint is different
from some of my African American friends who come from
suburb households.

Speaker 6 (34:01):
Like for me, going back just a little.

Speaker 10 (34:03):
I mean, when you live in hud and you're relying
on government assistance. The first thing I learned as a kid,
and I didn't know I was onto this when I
was ten years old, but it didn't come to fruition
too Several years later, I looked around my neighborhood and
I was like, there's a lot of moms and a
lot of kids. I don't see any damn dads, So
what's going on, Like, well, what's going on with this process?

(34:26):
And the way that it worked was like if you
were a woman and you had kids, no matter how
many kids that you had, the government was willing to
give you assistance just with one caveat no man in
the household. So when you do that, you're breaking up
the family. And I can tell you a lot of
my friends didn't have fathers, and I saw them going
to entirely different directions. So to me, this kind of

(34:49):
breeds the victimhood right of saying, okay, well, I can't
overcome my shortcomings of what my life has shown me
thus far, because as they would say, with the white man,
this whole me down. And it's like, no, you have
the ability to overcome that if you think with that.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
Well, and Stephen, let me give you a little bit
of your background. It's a little bit of a known quantity.
But what where'd you do you have? Are you married?

Speaker 6 (35:13):
You have kids?

Speaker 11 (35:13):
Just I am married and I do not have any kids.
But my grandparents they raised five five children, So there
was a mother and a father in that hasshold. But
I grew up as a single in a single household,
and I grew up in East Village. It was a
it was used to It was built for the Olympics
that were supposed to come in the Lace sevenues but

(35:34):
never were never, never happened, so they turned out to
low income housing. So I grew up in that same situation,
wasn't It was right down the street from five Points
but not in five Points and other projects but low
income housing. So and it was the same situation. There
were just very little for the followers around. You just
didn't see any My father was around here and there,

(35:54):
but it just you saw what happened and that community
when for these fathers weren't around, there.

Speaker 6 (36:03):
Was a lot of It creates instability, a lot of gangs.

Speaker 11 (36:07):
People in malved and gangs, a lot of instability. It
just wasn't good. It wasn't a good.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Let me ask both of you. Was your dad ever
in your life?

Speaker 6 (36:16):
Oh? Definitely, I mean, but but we were your.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
Parents together when you were younger and then they split
up at some point. How old were you when they split.

Speaker 6 (36:22):
Was about seven? Okay? How about you? Nick? Was your
dad ever around all the time? He was around, but
they were not together.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Okay, I was younger, Okay, because my parents split up
when I was in fourth grade, So I'm older than
you guys by a little bit. And that was like
the first wave of no fault divorce. So my parents
split up when I actually fourth grade, so ten, I
was ten, And even though I lived in a small town,
and this is like, I'm kind of out in my
dad right now, and he's dead, and I feel bad
about this, but if we're gonna have a conversation, let's
have a conversation. My parents divorced and my father essentially

(36:54):
just was not available. Now my father was an attorney,
right he. I found all this out much much later.
So we lived a fake suburban, upper upper middle class lifestyle.

Speaker 6 (37:05):
Suburban wait wait, just wait, just wait.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
So we lived in a really nice house, but if
anything broke, my mom had to fix it. I came
home and my mom was on the roof one day
repairing roofing tiles because we had no extra money. And
so from a very young age, when it was like, okay,
I live in this neighborhood where all the other kids
have stuff. Well, if I wanted stuff I had, I
had to work for it. I mean, it was just
the way it worked. It was just and my dad

(37:29):
later on in life really kind of got his emotional
act together and we had a much different relationship as
an adult on but as a father, when I was
a kid, it was horrible. So I have some sympathy
to this situation.

Speaker 9 (37:43):
Now.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
I wasn't growing up in the projects, and I recognized
that I didn't have chaos around me. But I do
know how it feels to go like, dude, why why
am I not good enough?

Speaker 6 (37:53):
In that way? We see?

Speaker 10 (37:54):
Man, I'm glad you said that because most African American
people that I know who have lived in the inner city,
the hood, the ghetto, when we look at someone of
your complexion, we think that, no, you didn't grow up
the same.

Speaker 6 (38:09):
Way that we grew up. We had more things that
we had.

Speaker 10 (38:13):
To challenges to work with you. No no, no, no, you
had a house, right, we had a we had project.
What if they were walking to finstos next door?

Speaker 6 (38:25):
You can hear that's television, is what you're telling me.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
And I don't want to say that I in any
way can sympathize with that, because I can't.

Speaker 5 (38:34):
I can.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
I don't know what that's like. But as far as
it goes like living with just a single mom, I
do understand what it's like to have a mom who
is really trying to get it together financially.

Speaker 6 (38:45):
Understanding though from.

Speaker 10 (38:47):
That perspective, because you're in the one parent household. You
got two individuals here who were in one parent household,
so we lived that same same life. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (38:57):
Well, luckily I had two strong grandparents that like, yeah,
supplemented that dad part.

Speaker 6 (39:02):
And my grandfather was great. He was like my second
he was my dad.

Speaker 10 (39:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
See, I mean, but that's what I see now, and
it's and this is some of the statistical data that
I was digging into earlier. What we get down to
is the point Nick made about, you know, welfare programs
disincentivizing the family structure. I think it was not only
it's a feature, not a bug. And Nick, you and
I were talking off the air about you found out

(39:28):
about LBJ being a complete race This guy was a
complete racist, I mean full on, like horrible racist, and
Simons Civil Rights Act in his mind to.

Speaker 6 (39:40):
Keep black people in line.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
And when you make someone more dependent on the government,
you can easily threaten their livelihood and keep their vote.
So there's a lot of like sort of undercurrents here
that we can talk about. But I want to kind
of jump ahead. I want to jump ahead to the
nineteen eighties and when, And I don't remember remember the seventies, so.

Speaker 6 (40:00):
Maybe it was this way in the seventies. I'm just
not old enough.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
But in the eighties we started to see the rise
of what was then called gangster rap, and boy it
created a kerfuffle. I mean, Tipper Gore is still mad
about it to this day, I'm sure remember.

Speaker 6 (40:12):
I mean, she was salty about it.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
And for a lot of people like me, like the
white girl from the suburbs, it gave me a window
into a world that I was completely unaware of until
that moment. I loved it. I mean I wasn't out
there dancing, but I went to see shows in bars
where I was literally one of like five white people
because I loved the music. I thought it was so
interesting in your mind. Did that rise up as a

(40:37):
reflection or a glorification of what was being seen by
these rappers?

Speaker 6 (40:42):
I would say it was kind of a reflection.

Speaker 10 (40:45):
You wanted people outside your neighborhood to know what you
were going through.

Speaker 6 (40:50):
On a daily basis.

Speaker 10 (40:51):
Right, when you think about some of the early hip
hop that was coming out of New York and just
think about what New York City crushed by.

Speaker 11 (40:58):
Yeah, yeah, crush, groo, Yes, you had the mellow Nale, Yes,
Brad Rational Flash, that stuff coming up. You know, it
was groovy and it was gritty in New York, but
it wasn't that much violence in that music that late
seventies early eighties.

Speaker 6 (41:14):
It was partly music, Yes, that was part of music.

Speaker 11 (41:17):
Yeah, and then that kind of melded into like more
morphed Yeah that kid and play yeah that kid and
played dance at you know, house party movies. It was
all fun, fun, and then it's somehow it took a
hard turn just and just got hard.

Speaker 10 (41:31):
Well, the reason it did that because what we're describing
right now is East Coast rap, right, and then West
Coast rap rappers were like, well, we want to make
sure that people understand the environment that we're dealing with.
So they talked about the drive bonds, they talked about
the run in with L A p. D. Right, and
that just changed the rap scene.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
Well, it was also commiserate at that time with the
rise of crack cocaine. So I'm telling you I read
a lot of stuff this morning. Okay, it all kind
of went together in that violence on the streets was
being reflected in the music. But the reason I asked
this is how much does culture drive culture? How much
does entertainment drive culture? And how much does culture drive entertainment?

(42:10):
Do you understand what I'm asking it was?

Speaker 6 (42:12):
I got into a.

Speaker 11 (42:14):
Real deep YouTube video about this guy was talking about
there's a difference between certain certain amount of blacks and
a different class of blacks where they were just trying
to morph into what they saw on television and and
not being their own people. And and I just think

(42:38):
that everything just got out of control and things just
started everybody just started really just going I think it
was just a lot of people just going overboard. Ella
with a you know, ice Cube coming out with his
whole his own genre of rap music which told about

(43:01):
everything was going on the streets.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
You know, do you think they viewed that as a
way out of their circumstances That seemed easy somehow.

Speaker 6 (43:09):
Or easier Okay, so not easier.

Speaker 10 (43:12):
Once again, you are wanting to let people know what
your life is like, right right, And sometimes that the
harsh reality in the visual was too hard for most
people to actually embrace, Like, Wow, these people in the
inner city of you know, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York,
Miami are living this particular way, and this was the
only way for the artists to really portray to the

(43:34):
public what their lives were like.

Speaker 6 (43:36):
And when you think about.

Speaker 10 (43:37):
Resources, there were not a lot of resources in the
inner city area. So what was happening is that you
start to emulate what it is that you see, because
now you're saying, I see someone else across town who
is going through the same thing that I'm going through.

Speaker 6 (43:51):
So you embody that.

Speaker 10 (43:52):
I remember being in the seventh grade and summer school
and my teacher let us watch colors for the first time.

Speaker 5 (44:00):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (44:01):
Old, I mean, I mean might have been, you know,
fourteen or something like that, and I saw colors and
I was like, wait a minute. So there's a group
of people in Los Angeles who deal with this. Now,
in Miami, there were gangs, but it was more like
it was drug games. It was entirely different than it
was in California. And I couldn't believe it as a

(44:21):
person growing up and in the city, Like there's another
section of African American people who are dealing with that
on a daily basis. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
So you just felt like there was a group there
that you finally found a place in a weird way.

Speaker 10 (44:33):
Yeah, because even alone, Yes, that's what we're all looking
forward to.

Speaker 6 (44:38):
Say.

Speaker 10 (44:39):
You know what, I'm not alone because you feel as
though you were long but when you see other individuals
going through that struggle, even as bad as it is,
it goes, well, I'm.

Speaker 6 (44:49):
Not by myself.

Speaker 11 (44:50):
And then you saw up plyferate throughout the United States
where with all the wannabes everything, you know, because Denver
doesn't really have metro area doesn't really have a project
I mean it's projects business, not like the pros.

Speaker 6 (45:03):
Yeah, they have like that.

Speaker 11 (45:05):
So a lot of people just saw emulating that over
here and I emulated all and went all through the
Midwest a's emulation and it started feeding off each other.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
But at what point because ultimately, and let's talk about
black crime for a moment, because black men specifically are
over represented in the categories of violent crime as a
percentage of the population. They make up about eight percent
of the population, and they commit overwhelmingly like a lot
of murders they're like forty three percent of murders are
and they're they're mostly victimizing other black victims, right, So

(45:37):
these are black people victimizing black people. What has to
change here because we've now seen over the years, we've
seen we need more money for education. But then you know,
my sister taught at a Title I school in Florida.
This was a very very very poor student body, meaning
poverty wise. Some of these kids were just brilliant, like

(45:58):
super smart kids, just really frightening property and the differences
between the way the parents handled children and maybe this
is the function of being a single mom, but she
called a kid a kid's mom to say, your kid
is super bright, Like this boy is smart, but he's
got to sit still and stop talking in class. Like

(46:20):
that's how she started super smart. She came up to
the school and whooped him at school, put a beat.

Speaker 6 (46:27):
Down on that kid at school.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
And my sister was like, I can never call a
parent again if that's what's gonna happen, because what I
was hoping was will lead with the your kid is
incredibly smart, and he was. He ended up going to
college on a math scholarship. But all the mom heard
was your kid's acting the fool, come up here and
give him a whooping. And she was like, I've never
seen anything like that. That's kind of the stuff that

(46:50):
I'm talking about in.

Speaker 6 (46:51):
The sense that.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Like if kids are getting beaten, when they're getting getting
even for mom, if they deserve it, that still sets
the tone that violence is a way to solve a problem.
And for the most part, like white people are trying
to move away. Now, I'm not going to tell you
that they're not white people who beat their kids. Obviously
there are. They're horrible people that do horrible things. But
as a general rule, culturally that has shifted. And yet

(47:13):
we that did not shift for that mama.

Speaker 10 (47:16):
Well in my in my school, yes that happened, and
we knew because that kid who was acting up he
and that he's now straight, and we go, oh, that's
your mom.

Speaker 6 (47:27):
Let's tell you what white people do. White people show
up the next day at school and sit in the
class with the kids saying, look, you're gonna win.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
Yes, Well, when I was a kid, that was still
a thing, but since then it's it's just kind of
changed a little bit. But it's like, what what is
it about that particular thing?

Speaker 8 (47:47):
That just bothers me because because in the Bible it
says spare the child, and I heard that a lot
as a kid, and I'm like, well, I don't think
that I intended it to be read and interpreted the
way that you guys interpreted.

Speaker 10 (48:05):
So that means that anytime you act up, you got
to think about it. Your single black mom in the
inner city is if you have a job and the
school is calling you, you now have to leave your
job to go to that school. Oh yes, somebody gets
a buss.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yes, depending on you have.

Speaker 6 (48:21):
To get there. How hard it works for her to
get there. Yes, I get all that.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
But it's like if we as you know, I always say,
you have to be creative about how how you punish
your kids. You got to find their weak spot and
you just got to put the screws to it, you
know whatever.

Speaker 10 (48:35):
That is.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
Like, our oldest kid hated to be outside. He's a
computer guy.

Speaker 6 (48:40):
He's still a computer guy outside.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
So the one time he came home after he'd been
at a party and had been drinking, what did what
did we do? The next morning at seven am in Florida?
In joy, Oh, he pulled every weed in our weed youdn't.
I could hear him puke and outside the whole time,
and I was like, stay out there, stay out there
all day.

Speaker 6 (49:00):
She was kindergarten.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
No, well it didn't matter. Fine, But you know, it's
stuff like that that I look at and go culturally
that that is a cultural thing. I do not get
why it still continues.

Speaker 6 (49:12):
Okay, it's like, we know better, so let me answer
you the question about the violence.

Speaker 10 (49:16):
It's a history of violence, and it's the scars of
the paths living in the presence, and it's like your
parents went through something with their childhood, so that's what
they know, so that's how they start to raise you.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
I totally get that, but ultimately, at some point somebody
has to say, uh, we're not going to do that.
It's it's the same thing I look at. I have
friends whose parents were alcoholics when we were kids, and
they were the kind of alcoholics were drunk all the time.
Most of them have never touched the drop of alcohol
because they knew they could do better, and they've done better.
And that's my thinking. It's like we can always use

(49:50):
the excuse of what our parents, you know, went through.
My parents had horrible childhoods like just god awful too,
totally separate kinds of horrible childhoods, but they worked kind
of double time. Did not inflict that on us. You
see what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (50:07):
Well, you're talking about removing the victim mentality, and you
think that's what it's I mean, you think that's combined
in there.

Speaker 10 (50:14):
Yes, I can tell you because I've seen it, I've
lived it, and I know people who are still going
through it because they were told that they were victims.
I was told that I was only destined for two things, right,
death or in jail.

Speaker 6 (50:29):
That's what I was told. That is just right.

Speaker 10 (50:32):
So you're constantly told that by your community, people outside
of your community, politicians, and society itself, so you tend
to fall into that trap. This is the only thing
that I'm capable of doing, right until I found this
teacher who shouldn't have been in our inner city.

Speaker 6 (50:49):
School, guy named mister Shirker.

Speaker 10 (50:51):
Right, this white hippie dude who introduced me to Creta's
clear Water Revival because he played with guitar.

Speaker 6 (50:58):
He showed me that it was entirely different world.

Speaker 10 (51:01):
Right, And I'm like, this dude who doesn't look like
me open up my world, right, and not every kid
got it.

Speaker 11 (51:08):
Well, that's what I got it. That's what busting did
in the late seventies eighties. To me, it brought me
to from across down from East Denver all the way
to Southeast Denver, and I learned. I went to school
with just different children and I just learned different things,
went to different birthday parties, saw different things, and it
just opened my mind up to there's differences, and you know,

(51:30):
there's more than what I grew up, what I'm growing
up around.

Speaker 10 (51:33):
With the key thing that you said, and we talked
about it before we jumped on air. Open mind, and
that's where you have to start. So many people that
I know who look like me, they have a closed mind.

Speaker 6 (51:46):
Yeah, I see. They can't.

Speaker 10 (51:47):
They can't see the forest for the trees because everyone
that looks that doesn't look like them is viewed as
being the enemy or a threat.

Speaker 6 (51:55):
That's right, But don't you think and.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
This is okay, We're gonna take a time out here
because I want to formulate this question the right way.
And I think that us against them mentality is very
interesting because I don't have that about people of another race.
I have it about political foes, but even then I
try not to us versus them because obviously we see
where that's going right now. But I've never felt that

(52:18):
way about people of other races. And maybe it's because
I'm white.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
Well, and I don't have to you know, you know,
you as a black man, you feel that on the
on your back all the time.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
Well, all that thoughts, Steven, We're going to come back.
Where was Stephen Williams. He's one of my listeners who
just said, Manny, come on, you're a white check from
the suburbs. Why are you talking about this? And of
course Nick Ferguson will be right back to continue the conversation.
Question from the text line you can text us at
the Common Spirit Health text line at five six six.
And I know this Texterter said, I love this conversation.
I grew up in a very poor neighborhood in Pueblo
and witnessed the same kind of poverty and violence. But

(52:49):
I've never felt there wasn't a way out. By the way,
I'm white and the neighborhood was very mixed race. My
question is where does this idea that you have limited
options in life come from?

Speaker 6 (53:00):
Is it internal?

Speaker 4 (53:01):
To the community, outside the community, or both. And I
want to kind of add a little something to this
question because I know really poor white people in the
area where I grew up that did not want their
kids to go to college because the kids would have
outstripped the family in terms of achievement. I'm not kidding.

(53:23):
I tried to give books like books that a girl
that was living down the street from us, and she
was going into sixth grade or seventh grade, I can't
remember which one, and they were reading books like Little
Women and you know, classics, and I had them all
and I'm like, I'm never gonna read these books theain.
So I tried to give them to her and I said, here,
I'm not using these, go ahead. I was going to
donate into the library. Her mom brought them back and said,

(53:45):
we don't need your charity, and I said, well, I
don't consider it charity. I consider it sharing because I'm
not going to read the books anymore. But that kind
of mentality, and it also comes down to I think
sometimes it's easier to believe you're a victim because it
relieves you of any responsibility for your outcomes. That's a
lot in there, So.

Speaker 10 (54:04):
No no, it is exactly right, because the whole idea,
when you know more, you can do better. It goes
back to being competent, because your security in life is
your ability, right, your ability to go out and whether
it's a skilled laborer or even being an athlete.

Speaker 6 (54:23):
Right, the idea is that your.

Speaker 10 (54:25):
Security in life is your ability to be competent, and
some individuals don't want to do that. That's why when
I think about certain members and my family who I
know who have been on government assistants ever since I
was eight years old, they're still on government assistance because
they could not break outside of that box. They wanted
to remain in that box and be seen as a victim.

(54:47):
If you see yourself as a victim, you will remain
as a victim, and those who are in charge will
utilize that against you, as though we.

Speaker 6 (54:55):
See in the current comment.

Speaker 11 (54:57):
How about you, Stephen, I believe that that's that's very
true if you're not going to try to work hard
and try to work to get yourself out of that situation,
and it's it's basically on you. I really uh tried
to work hard in school, didn't go to the highest

(55:19):
didn't go to Harvard, I didn't go to Harvard, you know.
I went to a technical school, went to a community school,
community college before that. That just worked my way up
a lot of places I worked at. I was the
only one I saw that looked like me, right, you know,
and that kind of you know that put that thing
on your back is like, and you know, I got
to do better. I have to always have to stand out,

(55:40):
you know. Yeah, I know all eyes are only watching,
and I got to do good to make it less
hard for.

Speaker 6 (55:47):
The next burd coming that.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
I know that, I know that feeling in this industry
as a woman. I've been in this industry for twenty
five years. Do you know how many other women have
their own talk shows like I do in this industry
right now? I could count them on one hand, and
that's insane.

Speaker 6 (56:03):
It's insane.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
So I absolutely identify with that.

Speaker 11 (56:05):
Where am I at, it seems like I'm like one
of the only two, one of the early ones. And
that just makes me wonder why. It's like, I know
they're out there, where are these people working at I
got to.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Tell you, I do think that there's a lot of
It is easier to lean into victimhood that is familiar
because if you are part of a family that has
lived in poverty on assistance, that is what you know, right,
that is familiar to you. And it is the old adages.
The devil you know is better than the devil you don't.
But it's like, how do we break that curse? Because

(56:40):
that is a curse.

Speaker 6 (56:41):
Believing that this.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
Is all you can achieve is a curse. It is
a self fulfilling prophecy. That is the most damaging. Just
the victim centered ideology drives me crazy because all it does.

Speaker 10 (56:52):
Is hurt you, you know, and you know, Mandy, I
have friends that I grew up in my own neighborhood
with and some of those I lost over the years
because they felt as though I forgot where I came from.

Speaker 6 (57:06):
You got up any right exactly.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
We're finding out that we have a lot more in
common here though.

Speaker 6 (57:13):
For the week, people had to let go to the wayside.

Speaker 10 (57:17):
Because the whole idea, and I know this now, that
those individuals who are low tone individuals, they're looking to
be an anchor and pull you down. They want you
to be where they are and in my culture, right,
and this may sound like a generalization, but I'm talking
about myself and my culture. It is almost like forbidden,

(57:38):
like no, no, no, you can't succeed. Oh you think
you better than all of us.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
And there was even a but you know what that is,
You're you're you're shining a mirror on their failures to
do the same.

Speaker 6 (57:49):
You're basically the mirror's going to be better.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
No, no, no, but but that's what you're doing accidentally.
That's why they don't like it. That's why they want
you down where they are, because if you succeed, they
have to admit. I could probably have succeeded too, but
I didn't do it. I didn't put the work in,
I didn't do the workouts. I didn't keep trying. I
didn't keep hustling. In the case of Nixte, I know,
but I'm just saying, this is what people do. I
got told when I went home. This was many years ago.

(58:13):
I'm from a small town, and because of this job,
I have gotten to do some of the coolest stuff
in the world, like just the coolest things.

Speaker 6 (58:21):
And I talk about my.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
Life and the stuff that we do because that's what
this is my life. I went home and I was
talking to a bunch of friends and I got back
to a Facebook message that told me that I needed
to stop bragging. Everybody didn't need to know every fabulous
thing that I did, and I just wrote back, I
didn't even scratch the surface on the fabulous stuff that
I have done because I won't apologize for success. I

(58:43):
will never apologize for success.

Speaker 11 (58:45):
Yeah, there are a lot of haters out there that
I want to drag you down and I don't want
to see you succeed.

Speaker 6 (58:50):
And it's said, how do we fix it? How do
we change that?

Speaker 4 (58:54):
How do we because if I if I go into
try and assist now I'm called a white savior. That's
how to me a couple of times, and it's like, dude,
I'm just trying to help people who need help. I
don't care what color they are. I just know that
there are people, especially people in poverty, that don't even
Their view of the world is so narrow that I'm
just trying widen it a little bit.

Speaker 10 (59:13):
Okay, let me tell you something really quickly about and
you can tell on me a few you've experiences and
the black culture in Miami where I grew up, no
one wants someone who looked like humanity to come in
and help, even though they're in desperate need of help
because ideas that we cannot trust you, because why are
you coming to deliver help to us in this particular moment,
in our twenty fifth hour?

Speaker 6 (59:35):
Right, what are you trying to get from us?

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Right?

Speaker 6 (59:37):
Known as though that's.

Speaker 10 (59:39):
Been happening to our culture for a long period of time. Sure,
I'm going to give you something, I want something in return. Right,
Because if we go back to the nineteen sixty four
Civil Rights Act and we think about what happened as
far as housing is concerned and HUD and all of
those things, why did that happen? And then the comments
that OBJ made that I came across that they did

(01:00:01):
not teach us in school now, and it blew my mind.
I was like, holy crap, this dude was ahead of
his time. And guess what he's bloody right.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
Yeah, And the comments that we're talking about is is
LBJ said now the N words will be voting for
Democrats for forever when he signed the Civil Right Yeah,
and I want to talk about the nword when we
get back. We got to take a quick break. But
we have a couple of people online that said, okay,
let's talk about the N word can Why why? Because
I got to tell you, like, when I hear even

(01:00:29):
like young black men casually it it, it gets my
hackles up. I don't I have not heard a white
person say it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:37):
Probably hackles are what.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
White people say when the skin goes up on the
back of the Yeah, that's a white person term.

Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
The white person Dictionary is here for you anytime. Nick Ferguson,
But were let's talk about the nword. When we get
back with Nick Ferguson, Stephen Stephen Williams will be right back.
I'm here with Stephen Williams and I'm here with Dick
Ferguson having our conversation about black culture. It's been very,
very interesting you guys. But I want to ask a question.
Multiple people on the text line are asking some variation
of can we talk about the N word? And only

(01:01:10):
one person said why can they use it? Why can't I?
But mostly it's like, why do why do black people
so we use a word that is so negative in
its origins?

Speaker 6 (01:01:22):
I think we just were trying to own it, trying
to give it less power.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
If we own it, well, if we're going past that
now you know what I mean? Is it can we
all just agree, like to not speak nicely. That sounds
like I'm mister Rogers or something.

Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
But you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
It's like because it's shocking to hear it, and it's
still to this day it shocks me when I hear
it in person. When I hear it in a song,
I'm not as shocked.

Speaker 10 (01:01:45):
Weirdly, yeah, I think it's getting to a point where
people are becoming desensitized by I know when I was
growing up, we could not say it.

Speaker 6 (01:01:53):
My mom would always say, don't bring that street talk
in her house.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
And I love your mom. I don't even know your mom,
but I love her.

Speaker 6 (01:02:00):
If you did, I mean you got a warm backhand, right. Yes,
it's one of those things and the troubles.

Speaker 10 (01:02:07):
I have this conversation with a lot of my friends
and some have changed tried to change the meeting and say, well,
but the er is different from the A or whatever,
and it's a term of endare mats. But we can
express ourselves in a different manner where we don't have
to actually say and then go back to the fact
of what the house what is the household? Like, what's

(01:02:30):
being taught in the household? Because I didn't grow up
saying it, and I didn't grow outside. Well, I wasn't
around my mom and I didn't. I continue to say, no,
it wasn't those things. My kids don't say it now
and they dare not ever said around me, or it's
going to be a problem.

Speaker 6 (01:02:46):
But to me, we need to kind of take the
heat off the word.

Speaker 10 (01:02:51):
And you know, like you said, some people think okay, well,
just saying it kind of diffuses and takes off the
tension away from know there. I've been at places before
and this question was asked, well from someone who doesn't
look like me, why can't.

Speaker 6 (01:03:07):
I say it?

Speaker 10 (01:03:08):
I say, it's a free country, you can't say it,
but you better be careful where you're saying repercussion in
who you're around. Right, Freedom of speech isn't always free.
Is a consequence that comes along with it. So I
hope we get to a point where it doesn't become
an issue and we can actually do away with it.
Whether someone is saying that it was terms of endearment

(01:03:29):
or something meant to be derogatory and can belittle someone.

Speaker 6 (01:03:32):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
I'm not running around going why can't I say it?
I mean, for me just being respectful to other people
is my default position in life, you know, I mean,
just in general, I don't call my friends the B word.
I don't, you know, I don't call other women, you know,
derogatory terms, and and I just I wonder about that.
And I just think that I'm a big believer in

(01:03:54):
what comes out of your mouth goes into your ear holes,
and what goes into your ear holes goes into your brain.
And if you're calling someone else, even in a in
a fun you know, uh fun way, a word with
such a loaded negative connotation that goes in your ears,
and then you absorb that as a part of your identity.
And I don't think it's healthy.

Speaker 11 (01:04:12):
Yeah, I try not to use this as part of
my little ro cavalry at all. I don't remember the
last time I've spoke it, but not saying I'm a
cape and capable of not saying.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
Maybe it's coming in a while. Okay, guys, I I
still appreciate this. And and we're gonna have to do
this again. We're gonna have to have the right but
the next time we have to solve all of the
problems in the world. So get ready for that. Resources,
give that some thoughts. Oh, it's stop it. It's not
just about resources that's the problem. It's not just about

(01:04:44):
resources or or you know, the schools in New Jersey
would be amazing and they're not.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 10 (01:04:48):
Put in context really quickly. When I say resources, it's
we talked about doing a break. It is skills, trade right,
teaching things right. We don't teach anything anymore, and we
don't make anything anymore.

Speaker 6 (01:05:00):
I agree with you on that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
We'll talk about We'll talk about all this on the
next go round. Steven, thanks so much for reaching out
and coach, no problem. Always good to see you. Nick Ferguson,
We're gonna give away some Broncos tickets in the next hour.
Stick around, we'll.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Be right back.

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This better be a blowout.

Speaker 6 (01:05:53):
I'm just saying.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
And we've got a pair of tickets we're gonna give
away at the end of this segment. We've got a
trivia question, and I'm to be honest you guys, I
did not know the answer to it. Hey, Rod, got
this one, So you better be ready with some broncos
minutia coming up at the end of this segment. To
make that happen, We've got to talk about the indictment
of James Komy very quickly. I said yesterday, Look, look,

(01:06:17):
you know what, I'm ready for a purp walk of
every person in power who has abused their position of power.
And I believe James Komy has absolutely, absolutely abused his
position of power. And now he's been indicted two different counts,
both having to do all about to lying with lying

(01:06:37):
to Congress about what he did and did not authorize
in terms of leaking that ultimately led to the Russia
Gate investigation. And here's the thing. There's a couple things
in play here. Number One, Trump just ditched the prosecutor
in that district so he can install his choice in

(01:06:58):
that position. And she is from Colorado, by the way,
which wasn't born here, but she grew up here. And
it's Lindsay Halligan is her name, and she does not
have any prosecutorially experience, and that is a worthy knock
on her resume. She was hired because she worked on

(01:07:20):
Trump's team, one of his defense teams. She has history
as an insurance company attorney, but now she is the
prosecutor who is going to be prosecuting this case. We
know today that the prosecutors in her office advised against
going after James call me. They did not feel like
the case was strong enough. And that is significant. That

(01:07:44):
is a really significant thing to note because I think this,
first of all, I want to talk about something that
has irritated me far more than it should because the
stuff like this happens all the time, and I shouldn't
even be mad about her anymore. But Kyle Clark then
jumped on the bandwagon as well. So it's requiring me
to point out once again that when a journalist says

(01:08:05):
something like this, what Kyle Clark says, Lindsay Halligan, the
newly installed US attorney prosecuting James Comey at President's Trump's direction,
is an insurance attorney and a Miss Colorado finalist. She
has never prosecuted a case. The Miss Colorado finalist thing.
Do you know when she did that? She was in
pageants when she was in college two thousand and nine,

(01:08:26):
twenty ten. Is Kyle going to start giving us the
fraternity membership of all of the men that he talks
about in his text? The reason you put that in
as a journalist is because you want to make her
look like a lightweight. You want to make her look stupid,
because everybody knows pagat queens are like South Carolina such
as such as you know, I don't even know if

(01:08:48):
you guys remember what that was a referenced to, but
it was a beauty pageant. It's done to disparage beautiful
women who also achieve at a high level. Now do
I know if Lindsay Halligan has the goods?

Speaker 5 (01:09:00):
I do not.

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
Do I know if she's going to be able to
pull off this prosecution, No, I do not. But what
I do know is if she doesn't get a conviction,
her career is going to have.

Speaker 6 (01:09:10):
A huge, huge problem.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
So as much as I want her to be able
to get James Comy, we'll see if she can actually
pull it off. But this whole uh yeah, pageant finalist
another story. Halligan a former Colorado beauty queen and White
House aid who's expected to prosecute comy. Nothing else about
where she went to. She's a lawyer. You know that

(01:09:35):
she's a lawyer.

Speaker 6 (01:09:37):
They put that in to.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
Demean her because she's hot, and let's be real, one
of the reasons Donald Trump likes her is because she's hot.
He likes having hot women around.

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
Fortunately, a lot of those hot women are really smart.
We don't know enough about Lindsay Halligan and her talents
to know if she can pull this off. For her sake,
I truly truly hope she can make it happen. We'll
find out, uh Because again, and I say it on
the blog, to get an indictment is nothing to run
out and celebrate about. It's you can indict a ham

(01:10:08):
sandwich in front of a grand jury. You're given no defense,
You're just given what the prosecution says happened, and then
they have to prove it in court. So it's gonna
be fascinating to watch this. Oh I just clogged my ears.

Speaker 6 (01:10:24):
That's weird. Probably just a getting old thing. That's what
a rot's about to say.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Yeah, you know, when you get older, did you hold
your nose and blow?

Speaker 9 (01:10:33):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:10:33):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Actually'd you have headphones on?

Speaker 9 (01:10:36):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
No, it's not like something flies out of your ears.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
No, it just gives you a little pot feeling and like, yeah,
it leaves you a little oh you know when you
get older.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
Gosh, you guys, I have so much good stuff on
the blog today, it's not even funny.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
While you peruse and figure out what to talk about
in this next one hundred and twenty seconds.

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
Yeah, let's do our art's doing Broncos contest. What are
we doing here?

Speaker 6 (01:10:55):
What do people have to ask?

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
How do they win? Tell us the details.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
I'm gonna tell you how that way you can get ready,
get your phones ready three oh three seven one three
eighty five eighty five the Common Spirit Health Hotline three
oh three seven one three eighty five eighty five. The
fourth person to call and tell me the answer to
this question. The Denver Broncos going to be on the
national stage on Monday, taking on the Joe Burrow, Liss,

(01:11:19):
Jake Browning Cincinnati Bengals wearing some pretty cool alternate uniforms.
What are the actual name of those alternate uniforms. They
have a name that Broncos have been promoting it. What
is the name of those uniforms? Fourth person right now
to tell me gets to go to the game, all.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
Right, three oh three seven one, three eighty five eighty
five if you know what the uniforms are called, and
I will be perfectly honest, I did not know what
the uniforms are called. Mandy from the Common Spirit health
text line. Donald Trump supposed to be a misogynist or something,
but he keeps putting women in all of these places
of power. Yes, indeed, and by the way, not all
of them are gorgeous. Those Susie Wiles is uh. I

(01:11:59):
think she's a little older than me. She is not
an unattractive woman. She's not going to be called beautiful.
But you know, I've seen the same kind of smears
about Erica Kirk lately too, so I guess I'm a
little sensitive. As a Miss so Lusty Festival in nineteen
eighty seven, I take special objection to when people make

(01:12:20):
fun of pageant people. Of course, then I go, we
are you in the Miss America pageant system or the
Miss USA passion system? It matters, Mandy. The ear plugging
might be from climbing on your high horse. No, it's
not that tall. I've never had that kind of aerometric
problem doing that again. So Mandy, please do not refer
to Kyle as a journalist. At best, he's a master

(01:12:40):
of ceremonies. Well, I did put air quotes around it.
You just couldn't see it like that. You know what
I'm talking about teaching? Was your fingers teating like that?

Speaker 5 (01:12:49):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
Mandy, we all remember likes such as that was so
so funny.

Speaker 6 (01:12:55):
This texter said.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
The purpose of the Komy indictment isn't a conviction. It's
about showing the other side. We're now willing to go
tit for tat, So hopefully both sides knock this crap off.

Speaker 6 (01:13:04):
From your lips to God's ears. But I actually hope
they get a conviction.

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
I'm tired of connected, powerful people getting away with whatever.
Congratulations to Robert Allison. He's going to be going to
the game on Monday night. Somebody asked me on the
text line, Hey, Mandy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Wait, what gets on the answer?

Speaker 5 (01:13:19):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
The answer?

Speaker 10 (01:13:20):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Midnight Navy?

Speaker 5 (01:13:22):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Is the uniform the all blue out midnight all blue,
definitely blue tops. Nothing else has been confirmed, Rumors suggesting
since they wore blue helmets at practice, yep, maybe they're
gonna go blue helmet, blue top.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
And blue pants. Will have to see it was gonna
look good Midnight Navy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
I mean again, I told you in the break you're
going against I think the only other team that has
primary orange.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Yeah, you gotta go blue, your orange and blue.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
This text are asked Mandy, We're going to the Broncos
game Monday night. Will Mandy Connell be in the broadcast
booth with Dave Logan or will she be back at
the radio station running the control system. First of all,
they don't let me in master control for good reason.
I mean, y'all. I can't even turn on my microphone
without firing the commercial sets.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
We had such a good day today and Nage jingstap,
No I didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
I'm concentrating before it hits the button. Nah, concentrating. Yeah,
So I'll do it again the next time. I will
actually be at home in my chair with my popcorn.
Because my husband is going to be on the sidelines
with the parabolic mic. It was his partner h Ross Nice,
so he and Ross will be trading off. And if

(01:14:24):
you look on the sidelines of the broadcast and you
see the person with the big like satellite dish looking
clear microphone, and if he's bald, that would be Chuck.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
It is still to this day the coolest thing I
have ever done, really, oh yeah, in media period because
in my role all the social media covers I do.
I'm always on a device, you know, for rock and
also by choice because I love doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
But in that instance, when you are parabolic, you are
not allowed to.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
You are forced upon doing nothing except hand hand on
that dish, which means I get to for a full game,
just fully invest in, be a fan again, watch the
game for the love of the game. It's still the
coolest thing because it silences everything else in my world
in that period of time.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
Well, Chuck just loves it. He just thinks it's like
the most fun in you know, he gets to have.
So he's very excited to.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Get to do the game days anymotres because of all
the other stuff I gotta do.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
But it's still so cool. Yeah, he'll love it. He
always does. Chuck always loves it. Ross does it like
multiple times a year.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Yes, he has the end.

Speaker 6 (01:15:24):
Yeah, he does this text.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
Uh, Mandy, you were pretty gung ho about Comy's indictment
a couple of days ago. Did you hear Andrew McCarthy
this morning changing your tone much? It's pretty funny how
you've only want to see the powerful be held accountable
when they're Democrats. You really think Trump is clean? You're
such a partisan and the biggest conspiracy theorist on Colorado
Radio Good news, Sir or madam, you have options, including

(01:15:47):
the off button. You don't have to listen to anything
that I say. You can just go quietly into the night.
It isn't the airport. You don't have to announce your
departure anyway. Got a bunch of cool stuff on the
blog today, not the lead of which is some information
about Do Better Denver. Do Better Denver. The original Do
Better Denver is back. The accounts on x and Instagram

(01:16:11):
have been restored. The person behind the real do Better
Denver we communicated and they have communicated with other people,
including Jimmy Sangenberger and Do Better Denver posted this after
a nearly two week break from Do Better Denver. I'm
ready to re engage. The break gave me time to
reflect on my mission to make Denver a better place

(01:16:33):
for everyone. Residents, taxpayers, and are most vulnerable. I've made
mistakes over the last two years, and I woops, hang
on one second, I didn't click on that. I should
have clicked the clique. I've made mistakes in the last
two years, and I haven't always gotten it right. Moving forward,
I'm committed to ensuring my posts are accurate and constructive.
I also want to sincerely apologize for the personal attacks

(01:16:55):
I've made against Mike and Courtney Johnston. Those were unnecessary, counterproductive,
and distracted from the meaningful conversations we need to have
about Denver's future. Despite these setbacks, Do Better Denvers achieved
real victories, reconnecting families with loved ones struggling on the
streets several now in recovery, defeating Mike Johnston's to our
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Better Denver has had, and Do Better Denver has reached
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It was not required by the Johnstons. There was no
social media company pressure in any way, shape or form.
But the person behind Do Better Denver reflected on some
of the stuff they've done and said, I'm going to
get back to the mission of shining a light on
what needs to be shined in Denver to make it
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and go ahead and follow him again and we'll be
right back. My grown son, Ryan, who is an avid reader,
said I've got this book series you got to read,
and normally I'm not gonna lie like he likes a
lot of fantasy books.

Speaker 6 (01:18:12):
And I was like, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
But then he said, no, it's about this guy who's
a wizard and a private investigator in Chicago now, and
I was like, okay, you had me at wizard who's
also a private investigator. The books were the Dresden Files,
and he gave me the first one, which is called Stormfront,
and it's so entertaining and so interesting, and the lead character,
Harry Dresden is in my view, probably an aspirational type

(01:18:40):
character for a lot of men. He's not only a wizard,
he's a private detective. He is an investigator, and he's
also perpetually kind of grumpy. I mean, he's he's really
got an all in one package, and he's been created
by author Jim Butcher, who joins me now to talk
about his What is this your seventeenth book coming out
twelve months? Is that coming out seventeenth?

Speaker 6 (01:19:00):
Did I see that? Well, it'll be.

Speaker 9 (01:19:04):
It'll be the eighteenth book in the Dresden Files. If
you don't count the two questions of short stories, you
count them as the twentieth, and then I've got I
think nine other books out as well. Well, I love
that are not dress in books.

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
I want to start by saying, you know, Jim, first
of all, I'm glad you're coming on the show. That's
thing number one. My son is very excited about you
being here and has given me a bunch of nerdy
questions to ask you. But I went to your website
and I went to your about page, and your about
page at Jim dash butcher dot Com has to be

(01:19:37):
the greatest about page in the history of about pages,
because you clearly outline how you got published and it
was definitely not a straight line uphill for you. And
I love that you shared this story of perseverance. So
if you could kind of for my listeners who haven't
read the about page, how did you get from nineteen

(01:19:58):
year old kid writing a terrible first novel, that's what
you said, to being a guy who's now published. We'll
call it twenty stories or encapsuled books about about Harry Dresden.

Speaker 9 (01:20:12):
Oh well, it's one of those stories that I like
to tell because it keeps me humble, or I hope
it does. But yeah, I wrote my first book and
it was an It was a terrible book. So I
wrote another one and that one was terrible as well,
and then I wrote four more and those are also awful.
And it was right around that point that I decided, okay,

(01:20:34):
you know what, maybe I should start trying to learn
from people. So I wound up going over to the
English Department, from where I had started off in computers,
and I decided that I did not want to work
a computer job. And I went from there to business
business programming, and I realized that I did not want
to do that either. And I tried, and this was

(01:20:56):
all I was writing on the side. And then I tried.
I tried going into education, and I and the problem
with that was they send you out to observe teachers
in class, and maybe it was just the particular teachers
I was observing. The boy, they were miserable people. So
I didn't want to do that either. And then I thought, okay, well,
maybe if I'm going to take this book thing seriously,
I should go to I should, you know, learn something

(01:21:16):
official in school. So I went to the English department,
said I want to write novels. This is the right place,
and said, yes, absolutely. So I went to English and
I wrote another book and.

Speaker 6 (01:21:23):
It was terrible.

Speaker 9 (01:21:24):
And then I heard about the professional writing department in
the journal in the journalism school at the University of Oklahoma.
That was actually taught by a professor who was also
a novelist with forty books out, and so it was
a much more kind of a practical training, you know,
where they were saying, okay, let's let's The first class
I took was called writing a genre fiction novel. There
you go, And so I wrote several genre fiction novels

(01:21:47):
in class. I wrote a couple in class, and they
were also bad, and so so finally I decided, and
I just I've been arguing with the teacher left and right,
because I mean I had gotten my bachelor's degree in
English literature, you know, with an emphasis with an emphasis
in creative writing. And meanwhile she had merely published forty novels.
And you know, I was kind of at that age

(01:22:07):
where I still knew everything. Yeah, I've forgotten most of
it now, but as as but as as it went,
I decided, all right, the way the best way for
me to prove that this teacher is wrong about all
the things she's she's trying to get me to do,
because I was going to be writing swords and horses fantasy.
That's that's what I wanted to write. I want to
be the next Tolkien.

Speaker 5 (01:22:25):
And uh, you.

Speaker 9 (01:22:27):
Know, she kept suggesting, Hey, Jim, you know you keep
talking about Buffy the Vampire, sli hair and babble on
five in class, maybe you should try writing like an
urban fantasy book or or a science fiction novel. I
poo pooed it, but finally I decided to prove her wrong.
And the way I decided to do it, I was
going to do absolutely everything she told me to do.
I was going to fill out all her little forms
and do all her little worksheets and and you know,

(01:22:49):
follow every little rigid thing that she was teaching me
about about how to write a good story. And that
would show her what terrible cookie cutter patlum crap would
have emerge from that kind of process. So I did,
and I wrote the first book of the Dresden Files,
which which showed her. But as it worked, as it
turned out, you know, she I turned in the first

(01:23:10):
couple chapters of the Dresden Files. And bear in mind
that this was a teacher who believed you're preparing you
for the reality of the New York publishing world, which
is a very cut through kind of place. You know,
if you don't do your job there, you don't stay.
And you know, her critique had included such things as
rolling up the chapters I'd handed into her, leaning across
her desk, popping me on the head with him and saying,
what were you thinking? She was that kind of teaching.

(01:23:32):
So I hand her the first, you know, the first
thirty pages of the first Dresden Files book, and she
picks it up and starts flipping through them and reading
them and reading them and reading them, and finally she
looks up at me and.

Speaker 5 (01:23:42):
Says, well, you did it.

Speaker 9 (01:23:45):
I said what, because that was not something I'd ever
expected to hear from her. You know, she was always
the I mean, she would carry you apart.

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
She's like, you did it.

Speaker 9 (01:23:53):
This is of say leable quality, this is professional level writing.
I don't know if this will be the first thing
you sell, but you will be able to sell this book,
so you know, please, you know, by all means, keep
this book. You're gonna be able to sell it one day,
even if it's not the first ev me sell.

Speaker 5 (01:24:08):
And I was like wow.

Speaker 9 (01:24:09):
She's like, okay, now, come back in next week with
an outline for the.

Speaker 5 (01:24:11):
Rest of it.

Speaker 9 (01:24:12):
And she meant the rest of the novel. Roll I
roll in the next week with an outline for for
a twenty book long series with a giant three book
Capstone trilogy at the end. And I handed into her.
And it's a console course, right, so you just you're
just talking for forty five minutes. And I handed into
her and I'm chattering with her and I'm just going
on and on, and at some point I realized we're

(01:24:33):
forty minutes the into the meeting and she hasn't gotten
to say anything to me. So I kind of stop
and go, what do you think? And I can still
remember the look on her face, right, she just got
this kid on board. I finally got this kid on board.
I can't derail him now, That's what I can see.
The look on her face now, and she can because
there's no way you're gonna go sell a twenty book
series in New York as a first time offering. It's

(01:24:55):
just not gonna happen. And so she says, I think
if you can sell a twenty book long series, should.

Speaker 6 (01:25:00):
Be doing okay.

Speaker 9 (01:25:02):
And I was like, okay, great, and because and I
charged full speed ahead, and because she hadn't told me
it was impossible, I did it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
Did you ever dream small ever?

Speaker 6 (01:25:13):
Well?

Speaker 9 (01:25:14):
Apparently no. I mean, I'm just right. I'm just writing
ridiculous wizard books right like I write popcorn books. But
I want to write like the very very best popcorn books.
That that's head of my goal was a writer.

Speaker 4 (01:25:27):
Let's talk about Harry Dresden, because now that we know
he sprang forth out of a desire to prove your
instructor wrong? How did you decide? How did Harry Dresden
come to be?

Speaker 5 (01:25:36):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
At what point were you like, Okay, I got a wizard,
and let's give him a job. Okay, is he going
to be a firefight?

Speaker 5 (01:25:41):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
Is he going to be?

Speaker 6 (01:25:42):
Is he gonna be?

Speaker 9 (01:25:43):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
I know he'll be an investigator?

Speaker 10 (01:25:45):
Or was that?

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
Were you looking for the investigator first or the wizard
first and they all came together? How did he come
to be?

Speaker 9 (01:25:52):
I knew I wanted to write I wanted to write
an investigator. I wanted to write a wizard. That that
that part, you know, because I was putting it together,
and I'm sitting here thinking about it, and.

Speaker 6 (01:26:00):
It's like, okay.

Speaker 9 (01:26:01):
So it was a very it was a very mechanical,
very inorganic process.

Speaker 5 (01:26:04):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:26:06):
Basically, what I did was I went and picked my
top half dozen wizards and my top half dozen private investigators,
you know, from various books, and then I chopped them
into bits and reassembled them like this Frankenstein and uh
uh and and and then and you know, I was
just picking my favorite traits from various wizards, various various
private eyes. And what I realized was that wizards and
private eyes. In the realm of literature, they have the

(01:26:29):
same job. They go into places other people aren't willing
to go to find out things that other people aren't
willing to find out. And that's and that was when
I realized, oh wow, there's a lot of synergy going
on here. And so after after that, you know, whether
they're going into the the the criminal underworld or the
the literal underworld, you know, that's kind of what wizards do.
And and so I realized, Okay, I've got something. I've

(01:26:49):
got a good thing going here. So I took my
favorite bits of Sherlock and Spencer and Travis McGee and
and several other you know, several dashal hammock characters. Uh
and I mixed them with my favor Wizards from my
fantasy books and just took my favorite traits from the Wizards.
And it's like, I absolutely have somebody. Have to have
somebody who's going to be really really snark and lip
off to absolutely anyone. I need somebody who's going to

(01:27:11):
who's going to be extremely, extremely stubborn and just can't
be deterred from from his course of action.

Speaker 6 (01:27:16):
Uh uh.

Speaker 9 (01:27:17):
And and I also I wanted to write a lot
of humor because I felt like that was sort of,
you know, sort of played to my strand as a writer.
And so I put this character together and I assembled
him as this Frankenstein. I put him in this story.
And at the time, it felt like a complete waste
of time to me, I felt like I was just
doing this, you know, as the class project. You know,

(01:27:37):
it wasn't going to turn out into anything cool or
meaningful or anything like that. And here we are, you know,
I'm working on book nineteen.

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
Now, well, let me just say I and I know
this is probably gonna be blasphemy, knowing what you just
said earlier in the interview, but I have never been
able to make it through any token book. I have
tried multiple times to get into. But it's the notion
that I have to have a glossary in the back
to explain to me the words and people and stuff

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of a fantasy land that I don't enjoy for whatever reason,
it doesn't connect with me. But with the Dressden files,
you drop them into modern day Chicago, so I have
a frame of reference. I understand. It's one of the
reasons I love Buffy. Yeah, I love Buffy the Vampire
Slayer because you have all the monsters and everything, but
it's modern day, right, So I don't have to be
a lover of fantasy to love the Dresden Files because

(01:28:26):
it already feels familiar. That's what I love about it, right.

Speaker 9 (01:28:30):
That's one of the great advantages that when I'm writing Dressden,
you know, I can say, Okay, they were in a Walmart,
and that's all I have to say, because people have
been in Walmart, you know. And after that I can
and I can establish these places that are very familiar,
that are that people are comfortable with, and then fill
them with these you know, fantastic, incredible creatures that maybe
they're not familiar and comfortable with.

Speaker 6 (01:28:50):
But because we've got.

Speaker 9 (01:28:50):
This setting, you know that, you know, it feels like, okay,
maybe this could happen. Let me give them a little
bit more time to see how it plays out.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
Well, I want to My son is the one who
internduce me to you, and he sent me along email.
I'm going to afford it to you so you can
see all of his nerdy questions as well. But he said,
and I want to read this. I want to read
this in its entirety. This part of it anyway, mister Butcher,
thank you for the wild ride that has been Harry's
life and for letting us in on it. It's got
to feel crazy on some level that so many people
resonate with the series. The truth is you've just written

(01:29:19):
some damn good books. I look forward to continuing the
adventure in twelve months. That is the next book coming
out in January. Also, while I know that some fans
out there would kill me for this, I hope you
don't give us all the answers. There's something real and
bittersweet about not knowing the history of this organization or
that artifact, even if you yourself know every detail. I
hope you keep your own Tom Bombadil hidden away in there, sir.

(01:29:42):
That is from my son super Nerd love this kid,
and he loves you. So I wanted to ask you
kind of about that question. How far in advance, like
you're about to release twelve months, how far was the
story put together in terms of your twenty book arc
that you pitched too, teacher, Are you on track in
that arc story wise? Or has the story evolved since

(01:30:05):
you came up with that twenty book arc.

Speaker 9 (01:30:09):
It's it's evolved a little I'm still mostly on track. Wow,
I've never written a twenty book long I've never written
right now, I think it's gonna wind up being twenty
five books total. I've never written a twenty five book
long story before, though, so, I mean, originally it was
going to be twenty three, but I think I'm gonna
need a couple more before I get to the end.
So far, nobody seems to mind. But but yeah, I mean,
at this point, I'm a little superstitious about deviating from

(01:30:33):
the from the plan. It's working out so well, I mean,
it just what seems churlish to turn aside. I mean,
that twenty five year old kid, he might have thought
he knew a whole lot of things he didn't know,
but he also had some good ideas. And I you know,
I've still got my my notebooks from class back then,
where I was outlining oh yeah, absolutely, and uh and
and yeah, I outlined kind of the basic structure of

(01:30:53):
what was going to happen in the story. I knew
what was gonna happen in the story world all the
way through to the end, and now it's you know,
I'm getting close to the end of it, so hopefully
I can make things pay off in a satisfactory way.

Speaker 4 (01:31:05):
My friend Ben Albright just walked in the studio. He
too is a super fan I found out yesterday. Do
you have a question for Jim, Ben?

Speaker 6 (01:31:12):
Not a question, just to thank you man.

Speaker 12 (01:31:14):
You know, your books help get me through college and
a couple of deployments in Iraq. Even watched the TV
show The Dressed In TV Show with Paul Blackthorn. I
enjoyed that as well, So I just to thank you
for creating a world that some of us could get
lost in for a little while and forget about the
world we were in.

Speaker 6 (01:31:29):
Oh, thank you man.

Speaker 9 (01:31:31):
That's what I think the role of especially fantasy writing
is is to get people to escape things for a while,
you know, to get into a different world than our own.
And that's I'm so pleased I was able to do
that for you while you were deployed, man.

Speaker 12 (01:31:43):
And thank you for your service, No, thank you for
thank you for providing the hours of entertainment and enjoyment.

Speaker 6 (01:31:47):
And this is why we do it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
So, Jim, let me ask you this last question before
I have to let you go. First of all, this
has been an absolute delightful interview and I should have
known it would be after your about page, which I'm
telling you, if there were awards for about pages on websites,
yours would be literally like head and shoulders above everybody else.
But when you hear something like that and you meet
the fans, because I'm sure you do some of these
fan fests or stuff like that, I mean, have you

(01:32:10):
had the opportunity to go and actually meet people, what
do you get?

Speaker 9 (01:32:14):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:32:14):
What do you what do you get from those experiences?
When you do get to meet the people like Ben
and my son who love your books, what does that.

Speaker 6 (01:32:21):
Do for you?

Speaker 9 (01:32:25):
It's kind of a recharge, uh, you know, because a
lot of times, you know, I'll get discouraged because you know,
writing is a sort of a marathon occupation, right, I mean,
it takes months and months and months to write a novel.
And when I get out to meet the fans, and
there's a lot of times when you're when you're when
you're writing and it's just like, oh man, nobody's gonna
like this. I Mean, it's ridiculous for me to think that,

(01:32:45):
you know, given the evidence, but still, you know, that's
kind of like what being an artist is, right, You're
you're worried that eventually people are gonna find out you're
a fake. And so here I am, you know, right.
But when I get out to meet the fans, and
I have these people, and they'll come up to me
and they'll tell me, hey, I was reading this book.
I was reading these books with my father and I,
you know, the will while he was dying to cancer.

(01:33:06):
And it was everything that we got to get. We
got to read these books together while while that was
going on, and it got it let him escape his
pain for a while, and it let us be closer
together because we hadn't been for years and years. And
I just want to thank you for that. And somebody
comes up and tells you that story and you go,
oh my god, I was just trying to pay the bills,
you know. But but you know, but at the same time,

(01:33:27):
I've been able to create this and and this, you know,
kind of this little, this weird, little seed that I
planned has grown up into this big tree that that
a lot of people have been able to take shade in.
And when I get out to meet the fans, it's like, Okay,
you know what these books are. You know, they're going
to help people. I mean, they're not They're not going
to change the world. They're not going to alter the
fabric of reality. But they are going to make somebody's
day a little bit better and and they are going

(01:33:48):
to make somebody's really rough time a little better than
it would have been without it. And I feel like,
if if I can make that, as if that could
be my contribution to the world as a human being,
that's very satisfying. When I get the good out those people,
hear those stories, it kind of renews my commitments to
take well.

Speaker 4 (01:34:03):
Jim Butcher, I so appreciate your time. And you know
what I always tell people, not all of us can
cure cancer, but we can entertain you while you fight
your cancer.

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (01:34:11):
It's been an absolute pleasure chatting.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
With you, sir.

Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 9 (01:34:15):
Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 4 (01:34:16):
All right, that is Jim Butcher. His book comes out
January twentieth. The next one twelve Months in the series
coming out, And Ben, did you already pre order yours?
I put a link on my blog today where you
can pre order your copy of twelve Months.

Speaker 6 (01:34:28):
I have. I owned them all. My son already already
said he ordered his too.

Speaker 12 (01:34:33):
I was in there I was trying not to famboy
too hard, so I stayed in there with the phenomenal guy.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
Yeah what a cool dressed in ball caput.

Speaker 6 (01:34:41):
Go read about page on his website. It's simply like
chef's kiss. So good.

Speaker 4 (01:34:45):
It's almost like he's a writer.

Speaker 12 (01:34:46):
Yeah, and an accident And I always love it when
you when you're accidentally famous.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
You do know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:34:52):
Like I just started as a writing project, but he
has intent and that's why I honestly I put a
link to the about page on the blog today because
if you want to talk to kids about perseverance, yeah,
this is this story is all perseverance, all of it.
Everybody said you can't do it, can't do it, can't
do it, and.

Speaker 6 (01:35:07):
You just kept doing it. I'll show you.

Speaker 4 (01:35:11):
And now it's time for the most exciting segment all
the radio.

Speaker 6 (01:35:14):
Of It's gone em.

Speaker 5 (01:35:18):
Of the day.

Speaker 4 (01:35:20):
All right, what is our dad joke of the day? Play?
Oh wait a minute, I forgot to tell you, ay Rod,
did I tell you that my neighbor keeps getting attacked
by a bicycle?

Speaker 6 (01:35:29):
Oh? There we go.

Speaker 4 (01:35:30):
Yeah, it's a vicious cycle.

Speaker 6 (01:35:32):
Oh my god. Anyway, go ahead with your dad joke.

Speaker 4 (01:35:34):
Please.

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
Mine isn't quite in the Hall of Fame, but it's
knocking at the door outside the Hall of Fame. Do
trees poop? I don't know, of course they do. How
we get number two pencils? Yes, I'm on a string
of hearing ones that I've never heard before, and you
must know for me that's hard. Yeah, just saying there

(01:35:55):
you go, heard so many.

Speaker 4 (01:35:57):
What's our word of the day?

Speaker 5 (01:35:58):
Please?

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
It is a noun, and I have no idea, so
computer guy, I'm budsmen.

Speaker 4 (01:36:06):
It is someone who solves.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Problems for people, both just casually heard. Whatever the hell
that word is.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
Yeah, it's like a thing A newspapers.

Speaker 12 (01:36:14):
Used to have one that they would that was their title,
and so that every time one of the sports shows
would say something wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
In them buzzman to get.

Speaker 4 (01:36:19):
Onto exactly, they just correct the record.

Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
I wish you guys were making that up. Yeah, pretty
much government official who investigates complaints from cittis. It's about
other officials or agencies.

Speaker 5 (01:36:26):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (01:36:27):
The TV show American Gods is based on a novel
of the same name by what author. I believe it's
Neil Gaiman, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (01:36:34):
He's not nice.

Speaker 12 (01:36:36):
Recently he came out he is sad because he's written
some things another writer that I love good omens and
ye gods and all those were great.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
But yeah, he's had some allegations lately.

Speaker 4 (01:36:45):
Is not not a nice man, according to a lot
of women that have dealt with him. And what is
our jeopardy category?

Speaker 6 (01:36:51):
Please? Bruise and booze.

Speaker 4 (01:36:53):
I feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
There's a lot of expertise in the room.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
This booze was the base of the Sputnik cocktail, popular
in the nineteen fifties.

Speaker 6 (01:37:03):
What is vodka?

Speaker 5 (01:37:04):
Correct?

Speaker 4 (01:37:05):
Vodka?

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Two million gallons of beer in the hall? Two million
gallons of beer? About that much was consumed at this
twenty eleven event in Munich.

Speaker 6 (01:37:14):
And what is october Fest correct?

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
Duh Waikiki's Royal Hawaiian has an ocean front bar named
for this rhyming cocktail.

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
Two thins?

Speaker 6 (01:37:24):
What is my time?

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
That is correct? Two kinds of rum. Beer's four main
ingredients are malt, yeast, water, and the.

Speaker 4 (01:37:33):
Oh I think that got it?

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
It was hops correct? They're high?

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
Yeah to two cream day cacao and half and half
are two other ingredients in this brandy cocktail, A favorite
of John Lennon, Well, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (01:37:46):
Then, what is a white Russian?

Speaker 10 (01:37:49):
Correct?

Speaker 6 (01:37:49):
Wrong?

Speaker 4 (01:37:50):
And I'm gonna sit on the winning even though I'm
on ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
I did you gotta go?

Speaker 6 (01:37:55):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:37:55):
Is it a brandy? What is a brandy Alexander?

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
That is correct?

Speaker 4 (01:37:58):
I used to work in a bar. It was in
the first restaurant that was opened by the Darden family
in nineteen thirty eight, Gary's duck In, and a lot
of the people have been eating there since nineteen thirty eight.
I made a lot of brandy Alexander's because I any grasshoppers.

Speaker 12 (01:38:13):
I should have stopped because I knew that wasn't the
ingredients of white Russian. But all I picture in my
head is John drinking that white Russian in the oh?

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
Is that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
Anyway?

Speaker 4 (01:38:24):
Anyway, we're gonna wrap this up. We got kay? Oh,
we will not be here. I will not be here
on Monday, no show on Monday. Ben will be here
on Monday. I will not be here on Monday, as
will around. I again will not be here on Monday
because football takes over a nude. We'll have a great weekend.
Everybody