April 19, 2018 • 45 mins
Not once, but twice in the 1970s people buried amazingly valuable Ferraris, arguably the greatest sports cars ever built. One was dug up after being secretly buried; the other was put in the ground forever. These are their stories.
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I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Pryett, there's Jerry.
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Should Know. Uh, just back from the road. Big grueling
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nice and easy and relaxing the Commonwealth in the district
we didn't go to We didn't go to a state. No,
we didn't, did we. Yeah, you know those porschemos in
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um in DC can't even they don't even have representation. Yeah,
but they can buy weed. Really, I didn't know that.
I don't know if it's I don't know if they
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takes years after to roll that out. It's a big thing.
I read a really really interesting article. I think I
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what state the guy was working for, but it was
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do it right so that we actually get rid of
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illegal weed and organized crime and all that stuff. But also, um,
don't hurt the alcohol lobby. Like this guy had so
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it was a really great article. Check it out. I
don't remember what it was called. I'm pretty sure it
was The New Yorker, No recollection of the year. Go wait,
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I just left. So we're talking today, not about weed
or the New Yorker or anything like that, even Jerry's lunch, Chuck.
We're talking about Ferrari's one of the most beautiful cars,
car lines, one of the greatest automotive manufacturers of all time. Yeah,
it's funny dudes like you and I. Obviously there's one
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Ferrari to us, although I have grown to appreciate other
Ferraris over the years, like the Ferres Bueller Ferrari and
some of those older cool ones. But for guys like us,
the Magnum p I Ferrari is the Ferrari to indel Ferraris.
Is that like the Yes, I think I don't even remember.
I just call it the Magnum. That's all you need
to call it. One of the greatest looking cars in
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the history of cars. And I'm not even a sports
car guy, right, No, I'm not either, but that is
probably the greatest car ever made. It's dope, yea. So
Magnum could rock that thing, and if you watch him
get in and out of it, it's pretty funny. Just
that alone is like, Wow, it's a really well made car.
Well yeah, and you also like it's Tom Sell like
nine tall, Yeah, he kind of is. And are his
shorts that small? But that that Ferrari that I think
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it's a Yes, it was, um, Yes, his shorts were
very small. Um a lot of thigh On that show,
it was like a clown car basically when he'd get
out of it. Yeah, you know, Higgins would come after
and wreck. Man, what a show. But that's not the
Ferrari that we're talking about today, and I want to say, so,
there's some numbers that are in here. I went and
looked up the real numbers. These are way way, way low.
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But as far as value of the car, yeah, if
you want to get fascinated, everybody, even if you're not
into Ferraris, just type in some of the names of
the Ferraris that we're going to throw out there today
in the years and you will find an entire world
out there of breathtaking lee rich people who buy Greek
tycoons half a million dollar cars, you know, Yeah, I
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mean people value different things. Obviously. I've never been a
guy that that thought, like a seventy five thousand dollar car.
I've probably just thought why would somebody spend that kind
of money. But some people, you know, they love their car,
so that's their jam. You know. That's kind of what
this episode is for. It's a car episode from two
guys who are not car guys, So dig in and
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prepared to be outraged a moment after a moment. I've
got my kind of SUV that my brother thinks is
a minivan. It's a crossover. Is that what they're called now?
A crossover is like a car and suv. Yours is
a minivan in an suv crossover. Yeah, I drive a
Honda Pilot now, everybody, and the Pilot underwent a change
(05:40):
from looking like a four runner type of suv a
couple of years ago. I think then they kind of
shrunk it and squatted it to where it sort of
looks like their minivan, put a clown nose on the front.
I try to get a minivan and try to get
the Honda Odyssey and him, and it was like, no,
we're not getting a minivan. Well I saw it just
yesterday and I can tell you it's a fine looking
car ship and you're like, totally normal. Drive again. First
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time I've ever had leather seats under my butt? That
is so nice. Here at forty seven years old, and
you're just like, fart, that's how you fired in a
leather seat classy like well, Plus, it doesn't absorb like
those class seats a little stinky. Oh they do, they do,
and like it accumulates over time, you know what I mean.
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That's why if you're ever gonna buy a a used car, everybody,
which frankly, I think you always should smell the seat. No,
just do yourself a solid and splurge on the leather
because you can wipe those off, right, But I do.
Everyone take hard. It's still I'm true to my roots.
I have my pickup truck because it's paid for and
I still use it for hauling nice garbage. That's that's
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my side job, is it. I didn't know that. Yeah,
that's cool. Good trash. Good to know. Do you have
a card? I know, you just flag me down. I'll
just drive around yelling out the window. It's a good idea.
You don't need a card. Why waste money on this? Exactly?
So we're talking Ferraris today, and we're talking specifically a
two year period in the nineteen seventies when not one,
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but two Ferraris made the news for being buried kind
of not Yeah, if you if you want to um terrify,
horrify a Ferrari enthusiast talk about burying their their favorite car. Yeah,
especially how they did it the second way. All right,
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should we start out with the first one? Yes? Alright,
Spring and Beverly Hills very lovely, I imagine, yeah, you know,
I mean it's always lovely out there in Beverly Hills. Yeah,
that's the slogan they put on the T shirts. That's right.
There was a socialite named and she was married to well,
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the story is a little convoluted, but she was the
widow of a Texas oil tycoon named Mike West. And
these are this is the bare bones beginning. She was
married to this guy. He died and she had a
car that she loved, a Ferrari America American nineteen. And
her wish was to be buried in this thing. And
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we'll go ahead and leap to the end and say
that did happen, And now we'll fill it in with
all the exciting details. Yeah, so this this lady, Sandra West,
She actually was born and raised in Beverly Hills. Her
parents owned a clothing store, and so she was like
middle class um, but she was a looker and she
started dating like hunky stars like Elvis. She was hot
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to Trot and Sinatra. I think that's actually fair to say.
She was a fun loving person, but also a very
um lonely person, as we will see. So she she
um starts dating around and she ends up dating a
guy named Saul West. Yeah, a little weird how this
all happened. So Saul West was a tech this oil tycoon,
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and um, he was actually he was actually well he
wasn't away, but he was actually a younger the younger
brother of I Quest. So Sandra West when she meets Saul,
she doesn't know that I Quests exist, and she's not
super happy with Saul. Apparently he ran around on her
and everything. Um, and she was like, wait a minute,
you haven't a brother, and he's an older brother and
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we all know what that means. And he's the true
heir to the family fortune. Where is he do you say?
And Saul was like, oh, he's just a washed up loser.
He loves drugs and drinking. And the parents they they're
sick of them, so they sent him down to Mexico
to live with his bodyguard. Yeah, that's where you got
to clean up. That's another episode right there. We need
to go. I looked into Ike West. There's not a
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lot about him online. Yeah, I wonder, I mean, we're
Is it disparaging to say that she was a gold digger. No,
yes it is. She undertook and carried out a project successfully,
which is very rich guy. Right, But here's the thing,
Like she could have married Saul West. He was rich.
It's not like he didn't have access to the family fortune.
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He was the one of the I think two brothers
who was in the good graces of the family. Yeah,
so it's not like he didn't have an allowance, right.
She apparently wasn't really happy with Saul West, so she
went after I quest and it wasn't like just you know,
picking the lowest hanging fruit, like she had to work
for this, and she did. She like took this dude
who was down and out in Mexico, living with his
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body gone down and out in Beverly Hills. No, that
was Nicknulty, Yes, because his family kicked him out of
the US to go live in Mexico and just basically
do whatever you're gonna do. God knows what this guy
did in Mexico. Yeah, but she went down there, like
you said, um, cleaned him up, I guess, got him
off drugs. And he must have thought, you know, this
is this is great. This lady came all the way
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down here, My brother's girlfriend came all the way down
here right to take care of me. Well, she definitely did,
and he turned over a new leaf. He said, you
know what, I'm I'm gonna come back to the United States.
And I want to take the reins of this company
that is rightfully mine and this is my wife and
or my wife to be. I'm gonna ask her to
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marry me. And they got married. Yeah, so she cleans
the dude up. They get married, and then first thing
is she's like, okay, now we're moving to Beverly Hills,
and I want a Ferrari And he bought her Ferrari,
bought her the nineteen sixty four Ferrari America three thirty
good car. And um, I looked and it's it was
the Ferrari three thirty S n what chuck five zero
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five five? And I was like, what is S? And
I can't see it? Yes, so I looked. There are
so few of those made Ferraris, like these vintage Ferraris
that they'll actually put the serial number after it. And
the serial number is usually a very small number. It's
not like one of these ones that they ran out
of numbers, so they started using letters. It's like four
five numbers usually, right, like my Honda Pilot. When they
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gave it to me, they were like, here's her Honda
pilot serial number right eight zero nine slash a J two. Right.
He just checked your wats in the middle of it. Yeah,
I was like, that's the one I want. So they
will actually like they they if you look, they'll look,
they'll add the serial number after the name of like
this specific car is what they're talking about. And they
can do that because this particular Ferrari America, the nineteen
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sixty four that she had, was one of just fifty
ever made. So it was a hot car right out
of the gate. All right. So they're in Beverly Hills.
He has health problems because he had that history of
abusing his body. Um, he had some rapid weight fluctuations,
which is never great for your health, and he ended
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up dying. Uh, in Las Vegas at the Flamingo Hotel.
What a way to go under what is labeled here
is mysterious circumstances. It's all it's labeled anywhere. I can't
find anything out about it. I wonder how many people
have died at the Flamingo Hotel under mysterious circumstances over
the years whose family successfully covered it up. So that's
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a couple of shmows like us years and years later,
forty fifty years later, can't find out what happened. Right,
So how long were they married? Do you know when
what year they got married? So I believe in nineteen Okay,
so they were married a short four years. But nevertheless,
Sandrow West became heiress to that. Yeah, she got Ike's
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claim to the to the company. His share went to
her after he died. Right, And that's the thing, like
you can you know, you can say what you will
about you know, her setting her sights on the true
heir him um living pretty fast, but they appeared to
very much love each other. He left her his share
of the family fortune. She took his last name. Um.
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She said that she when she filled out a will,
she wanted to be buried in Texas next to her husband,
not in Beverly Hills, where she was born and raised
and spent most of her life. So they were like
an actual real couple. Um. So I have the impression
that when he died, like there was something missing for
sure in her life, especially considering that she is round
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known as a fairly um, a lonely person. Yeah, it
was like me and Emily. I married her for her
dowry as the daughter of a Central Ohio um auto
glass magnate. Right, but it's real you know that's right,
So well maybe we should take what were you about
to say? He's laughing at Auto Glass Magnate. That's what
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he does, Seneco glass. Everybody plug in father and lass company.
Nice job. You need someone to come out and you
had a tree fall on your window. Rick will take
care of you. That's nice. That is nice. Uh. Which
he's gonna be at our Cleveland show by the way,
which is great. He should be. It's like right there, yeah, um,
all right, maybe we should take a break because I
see the words Ingelbert humper Dink in front of me.
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We'll come back and reveal the secret right after this?
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What secret? Well, she dated Inclbert humperdnk Okay yeah, after
like West died, right, she basically made the scene. She
became a Hollywood socialite. Yes. And I went to see
him in concert when I was a little kid. Yeah.
It was one of those like I always say my
first concert was cheap trick because that was the first
one that I paid to go see. But my parents,
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as much as they didn't like music, they weirdly took
me to see Kenney Rogers uh Inclbert Humper Dink and
I think Bobby Goldsboro. Those are the three shows that
I have some faint recollection of being in the b
Those are some good early shows. And my mom saw Elvis.
I didn't go, but yeah, I think you told me
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that on that very last tour. I think that was
in the grace Land episode. Probably so so us Angelbert
Humperdink is one of the people she dated. She she
made a name for herself dressing up as the Texas
Rodeo Queen, wearing like fringe e stuff with Ryan stones
and a cowboy hat. She went out to Rodeo Drive
and we should we should say that she was like
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a genuine, legitimate died in the wool car enthusiast. Not
only did she have that America three thirty, she also
had a GTS. Uh no, I'm sorry at three g
T and a Dino. Is it a Dino? Do you know?
I think it's probably Dino, Okay, and a Dino. She
had three Ferraris plus also a Stuts Blackhawk. If it
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is so, Elvis like that car a lot. Actually it's
a It looks like a luxury land yacht married a
muscle car and that's what came out. You should look
at Elvis it's a neat, neat car, but apparently it
got like eight miles to the gallon. Well that's also
why I Alvis loved it, like two and a half tons.
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I don't want an efficient car, and and that's pretty good.
Uh So, you know she would do crazy things like well,
I mean, this isn't super crazy, but she would bop
around town in that Ferrari and like go to the
uh Chasen's and Beverly Hills in order of Burger to
go and speed out of there in a Ferrari in
her rodeo outfit. So she was sort of well known
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in town. Is a bit of an eccentric And by
that I think we mean she like pills a lot. Well, sure,
it's the seventies, so uh yeah, so she lived fast,
but she had fun. I guess it's the way to
put it right. The fast died young. She did die young.
So in her America, she got into a car wreck
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and sustained some injuries and she seemed to be on
the men she was getting better, but she from what
I understand, she was given a nurse and a doctor
to oversee her the drugs that she was taking as
a result of the car wreck while she was mending um.
And then one night I guess she had taken too
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much or else she got her hands on some mother
drugs and she overdosed, apparently on codeine and barbiturous from
what I saw, very sad. However, this is where the
story gets a little strange. That that was in seventy
seven when she passed, and in nineteen two, five years previous,
she actually thought ahead of time and said, I want
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to be buried next to my husband. See in my
late night gown by Porter Loring. It was I guess,
just the the go to mortuary mortician, hot mortician in
San Antonio. Uh, and I want to be buried in
my ferrari with and this is a quote with a
seat slanted comfortably. Yeah. She didn't want to be sitting
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straight up right for eternity, of course not. So here's
the thing for her will to be carried out. It
fell to her brother in law slash ex boyfriend, Saul West.
Saul was not very amused by the prospect of having
to do this. I'm sure he was like, are you
kidding me? So? Um? After all this, Yeah, because not
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only is it bearing a ferrari, the other ferrars got
auctioned off for ridiculous amounts of money. Some of her
jewelry after her death was auctioned off for things when
I think one of them is like three fifty grand
in nineteen seventy seven dollars for one of her rings.
Another one's like a hundred and fifty grand for another ring,
and her ferraris were auctioned off. So her state was
being liquidated. The idea of burying one of these cars
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with her, who I would guess he probably didn't like
very much. Um, that was bad enough, but on top
of it, this funeral was going to cost about fifteen
thousand dollars in nineteen seventy seven dollars. So he went
to a judge and said, this lady was wacko. There's
no way I should have to do this, judge now.
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And the judge is like, all right, wait, we're gonna
put a hold on all this. Let's put Ms His
west on Ice in a mausoleum literally, and uh, we're
going to start all this out. So they did. Yeah,
So her position, Dr Raymond Weston Um had to testify
and says, well, she was a bizarre woman for sure.
Um and he described her as a psychotic with a
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tendency towards paranoia and hallucination. But the judge was like,
you know, it really doesn't matter. If these were her wishes,
then it's legally we have to carry them out. So
the final ruling came down that yes, we are going
to bury this woman in her ferrari, right, and by we,
I mean you saw the judge was not so sol
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did it. He hired Porter loring as um as Sandra
had had stipulated, and um they shipped the Ferrari out
from Beverly Hills, UH to be outfitted with Sandra, who
was wearing her lace nighty, put into the car and
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then put into a casket, an enormous giant casket, and
then um taken by train out to the graveyard where
a crane was waiting to the ferrari was in a casket. Yeah,
they put the whole thing in a casket. Well I
guess that makes sense, Sure it does. It's a big
old casket, was it? The didn't Elon must send up?
Oh no, of course that was a tesla right. It
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was like, wait a minute, wasn't there a ferrari in space? No,
it's a test Yeah, that would have not make it
any sense whatsoever. And it makes you wonder, like, who
really is Starman? Which of his enemies was unlucky enough
to be shot alive into space to die out there
while the whole world was watching, you know? And that's
because he's got a touch of super villain to him,
you think, Yeah, we're just all very fortunate that he's
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not super villain because would be in big trouble if
he want keeps it all in check. Sure, so the
story very sadly sort of ended, although she got her wish,
she didn't she didn't have like a lot of friends,
like apparently the people that attended her funeral were her
attorneys and nurses and doctors and stuff like that. Uh.
So it was sort of a sad ending to this
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lady's wacky life to be buried in a nineteen ft long,
ten ft wide, nine ft deep grave in her Ferrari right,
which they filled with cement around so nobody could try
to get or that nightgown. But she got her wish,
her wish came true. Yeah, so happy ending, Sure, sad
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ending happy uh And apparently now there it is still
visited by people. Where is it san Antonio. People will
go by and see where this Ferrari is buried. Yes,
you to San Antonio? Did you go by there? I didn't,
And I knew about this, but I didn't realize she
was in San Antonio. We would have totally gone. It
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sounds like something that you guys will put on your list. Well,
it's on the list now. I'll tell you that. Should
we take a break? No, should we barrel into the
second one? Then take a break? Yeah? All right, we
stay in California because that's where this kind of crazy
stuff happens. Well, we have to go back to California
because we were just in San Antonio. Good point. Watching
the three hundred spectators watched Sandra West get buried. It
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was really weird, that's right. So we go to south
central Los Angeles, the West Athens part, and I didn't
know where West Athens was until I looked it up
nine Street roughly. Uh, it's sort of by the one
ten right, Yeah, it's kind of like east of Hawthorne. Um,
I have no idea what you're talking about. I just
made up that one tin thing. I looked it up
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to though. I was like, because I had seen it
referred to the South Central, but then everything else said
west Athens and I'm like, what is that? So I
looked and then we're Beverly Hills in Hollywood are and
that's it, right, pretty pretty much in Venice the water,
but it is it's like in the south part of
South Central, the southwest part of South Central. I think
that seems about right near. Yes, okay, alright, so we're oriented,
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and uh, there's a staff reporter from the l A
Times named Priscilla Paynton who's going to figure in because
she kind of covered the story and it is in depth,
and well, this story is a little weird. We're going
to tell you the story, but the story is not
quite accurate, but we're gonna We're gonna go and tell
it as it was originally written, which is what people
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thought it was for decades and decades. That's right. So
there were some kids digging around in the dirt in
their neighborhood, which is what kids are or to do.
This probably a little horseplay. I'm sure one kid was
probably self conscious. There was a lot of kids stuff
going on, lots of kids stuff, and they were digging
around and they felt something not too deep that felt
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hard and said this. You know, I guess they probably
brushed the dirt away and said, this looks like like
maybe the roof of a car. That's a weird thing
to find at nineteen Street, but it's kind of a
weird thing to find anywhere buried underground, you know. Yeah,
So they got a cop involved pretty quickly, which was,
you know, a great thing for these kids to do.
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I wouldn't have done that. I would have gotten shovel
and seeing what was going on. Oh yeah, oh sure.
So okay, well these kids were a little a little
more do gooder than you, apparently, right, So they flagged
down a cop and then the next thing you know,
there's two detectives on the scene, Detective Joe Sabbaths and
Detective Dennis Carroll, who would become forever known around as
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precinct as Lenny Carroll because Priscilla Painter Painting called him
that accidentally. She put down that was his name in
the story. Oh if only Joe had become Carl, yeah,
Carl and Lenney, that would have been so wonderful. So
Dennis Carroll and Joe Sabbath were working this thing when
Priscilla Painting comes out and she's watching this, this whole
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thing goes going down and this is what she's seeing.
She sees all of a sudden, now there's a there's
an earth mover. There's a whole bunch of sheriff's deputies
with shovels, also earth movers, but different kinds, you know.
And they're digging around this car and they're they're getting
more and more dirt off of it. And um, Sabbath
and Carol see that there's a car under there, but
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it's covered in like rugs and plastic. And somebody tried
to kind of intomb the car, mummify it, I guess,
is how one of the guys from gelop Nick put it.
And what it was was a Dino to six gts
and this also had a serial number, oh seven eight
six too, and uh, they kind of duck through the car.
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They eventually got it out. They dug through the trunk.
There was no one buried in it. No, no drugs.
Are big suitcases of cash or something you might expect
to find in a buried ferrari. Yeah, you like, who
would just bury a ferrari? This became an actual, like
huge question. Well, they ran the plates and found pretty
quickly that it had been stolen, that it was listed
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as stolen, and so they started digging into it, right
literally they did. That was that's a good catch. So
um they found that back in vour this eight in
four the car had been hearted stolen by the original owner,
a man named Rosando Cruise. And Rosando Cruise and his
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wife had gone to dinner at the Brown Derby on Wilshire,
um for their anniversary. Yeah. Well we should point out though,
as originally reported, they said that it was in surprisingly
good condition. Okay, this is Priscilla Paynton saying that in
the Los Angeles time. Kind of an important uh key
little clue here, right Okay, So, um, at the brown
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Derby Rosando Cruise and his wife for celebrating their um,
their anniversary. And he had just bought her recently a car,
I think for her birthday or something like that. Um,
and he was doing pretty well. Apparently he was a
plumber by trade. I would guess he owned his own company. Um.
But he had bought his wife a Ferrari that at
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the time had cost about twenty two thousand dollars is
how much I had sent him back, which is well
over seventy thousand dollars in two thousand seventeen. Yeah, okay.
So he when they got there, he had noticed that
the valet was looking a little too anxious to get
the keys from him, and he's like, I'm not letting
these guys get Ferrest Bueller my car. His wife was like,
(28:12):
what does that mean. He's like, just give it a
decade or so and you'll see. So he decided to
just go parking himself on on Wilshire Boulevard much safer. Yeah,
good idea. And so when he came back, the car
was gone. That's right, the car was gone. Um. There
were no leads as to who took it. Uh, as
(28:33):
far as the detectives were concerned, and Farmer's Insurance group said,
you know what, we're gonna pay. We're gonna pay this
thing off at a loss of that uh dollar dollar
dollar dollars to the legal owner, um, which at this
point was the was the Bank of America, very very
(28:55):
big point as well. Okay, so so basically the what
you just said, the shot of it is they said, okay,
we looked into it. The car was stolen. It's gone. Uh,
Farmer's Insurance, you need to pay the owner of the car,
which is the bank, and it's all just done. This
is four years prior, right, So when the car turns up, um,
like you said Priscilla Paynton, Well you want to take
(29:18):
a break. Nice cliffhanger. Okay. I took nice cliffhanger as
(29:43):
a yes. You meant yes, right, yes, okay, good, Well
we're back so um like you said, Priscilla Payton had said,
the car seemed in surprisingly good condition. She patented a
good picture, she did, but un incorrect picture, that's right.
So basically she set off this huge frenzy among Ferrari enthusiasts.
(30:05):
A Dino Dino had been discovered underground, had been written
off by an insurance company, and it was in surprisingly
good condition. That meant that they could probably get a
pretty good deal on it. And everybody wanted it. And
everybody started lighting up the switchboard at Farmers Insurance. Yeah,
and I get the idea that not only could they
get this Ferrari and and do whatever little restoration it needed,
(30:28):
but there's also just the story behind it made it
kind of a cool thing. Yeah, this was the car
buried in south central Los Angeles. Yeah, and I look
at it now. This made national news it also is
Sandra wests burial made national news and that had just
been several months before. Um, so the you know, the
two were compared. It was buried Ferrari fever in the US.
(30:49):
And how close that was very close? Interesting, I mean
different years. But she was buried in May, and this
happened I think in um like the following year or
like less than a year later. Okay, all right, So
the car actually was not in good shape at all,
to say the least, they were, And boy, I love this.
(31:11):
This is why it's a Ferrari. Twenty one layers of paint,
fourteen layers of primary, seven layers of paint. Um they were.
It was in bad shape. The paint was freckled. It
was had white spots all over it. Rust. Of course,
you can't bury a Ferrari and cover it with rugs
and expect it to you know, that'll take care of it.
(31:32):
So rust it eaten through it through the body. Um.
The leather interior was in bad shape. What did the
thieves do with some towels? So they were smart enough
to stuff towels into the intake to keep dirt and
worms and stuff from getting into the engine. But they
neglected to do that in the exhaust pipe. They had
(31:52):
put some towels in between the window cracks, I think
dangle the towels over the outside, but then didn't roll
the windows all the way up. So they weren't doing
a very good job. But in their defense, they had
to bury Ferrari in the middle of Los Angeles. How
(32:13):
did this How did this not get noticed? I don't know.
But the cops when they canvass the area, the neighbors
were like, we have no idea. The residents of the
house were renters and they'd only lived there for three months.
They had no idea. So they the cops just basically
were like, well, it's a stolen car that was already
written off. It's a it's a done case. We're not
(32:33):
gonna break our backs trying to find out what happened here.
It's pretty obvious what happened here, So they sent it
off to Farmers. That's right in very bad shape. And
even pulling this thing out of the dirt, obviously the
engine compartment got crushed, uh, all scratched up and gouge.
The windshield was smashed, which Rick Sen a Bogan it's
(32:54):
in cod could have picked you right up, looks you're
right up in an afternoon. Actually probably not, because imagined
it for one shield like that is pretty hard to
come by. Um sorry, Rick, but uh, the idea that
someone could restore this thing was not true seemingly. Yeah,
(33:15):
and well, like Farmers was getting such um so many
calls and we're having to deal with the public on
such like a large scale that they decided to just
put it on display. So anybody who called in inquiring
about it, they said, well, here's the address. You can
actually go bid on it if you want it, and um,
people did, but they didn't really make too many serious bids.
(33:36):
They mostly just stripped the car as best they could.
Somebody took the dipstick. Even this Gelopnick article said, I
wonder if that was just let me get a piece
of this saying, or if it was like I can't
find a dipstick for mine, maybe both you know, or
eBay doesn't exist yet, but it will someday. I'm gonna
sell this thing for a million bucks. Yeah. So this
(33:56):
was a couple of weeks on display in Pasadena. Where
As this article says, everything that was not bolted down
was kind of nicked from it. I can't believe they
just didn't have security or something. Yeah, I don't. I
guess they weren't doing a very good time. I mean
it was a junk Ferrari so but still, I mean
they were taking bids on it. They didn't. It wasn't like,
you know, come come take what you want and say, Oh,
(34:19):
it's not like a starving artist sale at a hotel
conference room or something, you know. Alright, So the long
and short of it is, in the end, they did
take some bids after it had been scrapped and gouged
by onlookers. Right, So here's here's where the legend kind
of picks up again. Right, You've got this car that
(34:39):
has like a legendary status already, but it's also totally
tragic if you are a Ferrari enthusiast. This is a sad,
sad story. Um. But it's purchased by somebody, some unknown
person actually, like a mechanic I think who owned his
own garage in Burbank, tried to start it and like
(35:00):
for for something. For some time, there were some dispatches
coming out of this restoration project because the public apparently
knew that this guy had actually gotten it to start,
but then the engine just collapsed and it didn't look
very good. Right, Yeah, what do you pay? But like
between five and nine grand. Yeah, it's pretty good deal,
(35:20):
but it was in pretty bad shape. Right. So after that,
the Ferrari just kind of disappears for a little while.
And then somehow the Ferrari enthusiasts public could confirm that
the thing had been resurrected, it had been licensed, it
had been restored to its former beauty. They had a
(35:40):
new plate called dug Up, right, But then it just
is gone. It's not listed on any of the Ferrari
registries or the Dino registries or anything like that. It's
just they know it's out there, but they don't know
where it is. It just becomes like this phantom, which
makes it even cooler. And that's where the story ended. Originally,
(36:02):
there were there were a couple of Gelopnick articles and
it's a good website, It really is a great website.
And there was one Gelopnic writer in particular who was like,
that was a pretty good article, but I want to
know more about. His name was Mike Spinelli, and he
did a follow up he dig he dug in even
further to this legend. He wanted to find that Ferrari,
and he actually ultimately was successful. But what he turned up, Chuck,
(36:26):
was an even bigger twist to this story than digging
up a Ferrari in the middle of south central Los Angeles.
That's right. He ultimately found Dennis Carroll, that one of
the original lead detectives Lenny and Carl he was, and
he learned the true story, which was kids did not
find this thing playing in the dirt. That didn't happen
(36:46):
at all. It was actually discovered because of a tip
from a c I right, and if you've seen the wire,
you know what that stands for. It's a confidential informant.
He was a heroin addict and I want to say
he assume was guy for some reason. Yeah, it could
go either way. Yeah, I just hear a confidential informant
heroin addicted. I think, dude, not fair, ladies, I'm sorry, right, Yeah,
(37:08):
she'll leave us out of that circle. Uh. So he
and his partner had made Uh Lenny had had made
up that story about the kids finding it. I guess
because it was a police matter. It was a confidential informant,
so they had to cook up this fake story. They
I don't know if they had to, but they they
wanted to sniff painting off the case. Um so so
(37:31):
they Yeah, they just protected their source and said it
was kids playing, and that became how this car was
found for decades, that was the story. Any anyone you
heard that story from, unless you were probably the wife
of Joe Sabas or the wife of Dennis Carroll, they
would say they would start with some kids were playing
(37:52):
in a yard and found this car. Totally made up, right,
So that's twist number one that they found. Twist number
two is actually the fact that this was all a
set up job to begin with by the own Did
we say he was a plumber, Yeah, the plumber. Uh basically,
I mean what could he not afford it? So he
decided to have it professionally stolen to get an insurance claim.
(38:16):
That's my impression, that's what he did. We don't know
the reason behind it, I think for my interpretation, and
it's up for interpretation because he was never charged with
this crime. Oh really Yeah, it was written off as
a loss right which we all pay for it. Let's
be honest, right, Um, the the this is my this
(38:37):
is the Josh Clark interpretation of this crime. Rosando Cruz
very much loved his life his wife, so he bought
her a Ferrari that he couldn't afford. But did I
say he very much loved his wife, he didn't want
to tell her that he needed the ferrari back. He
arranged for it to be stolen and maybe make some
money on the side as well, and then he would
(39:00):
pretend to be mad that the ferrari was stolen, and
all of his problems would be solved, right, which is
why he cooked up the story about being wary of
the valet parkers. So this is why I need to
park it on Wilshire and that's where it was arranged,
pre arranged to be taken. And he he kind of
thought like, oh, you're gonna like strip it for parks
(39:20):
and then drive it into a ravine, Yes, which makes
sense in a weird way. Right, then you could fence
the parts so you get some extra money, and then
he would pay them out of the insurance claim. That's
not how it went down. He didn't say bury this
thing in south central l A right without stripping it
of basically any parts. I think they took the the
Ferrari logo off of the back of the car. But
(39:43):
everything else was points to the idea that the thieves
were gonna did Mike D's first necklace, but they they
every all of the way that the car was buried
points to the idea that the thieves were gonna come
back for it some day. There was an attempt to
preserve it. Let me throw some rugs on this, and
not only are we getting paid for steal on the Ferrari,
(40:03):
but we're going to dig it up and drive it
out of the whole one. Yeah yeah, wow, because it's
got all wheel drive probably that's pretty amazing. So um,
from what I understand, Rosander Cruiz was never charged with
this crime, even though the cops knew. Good for him,
I guess, um. But and that was just my interpretation.
I don't mean to cast any shade on him, but
just from my research. If that's not the case, my apologies,
(40:26):
But that that is what it looks like to me.
Here's the thing. He didn't get the check. The Bank
of America got this well. Yeah, so if that was
the point, he didn't think it through very well well,
but he was out from under those payments at least, right.
That's why I think he did it. He didn't have
to pay that like seven hundred dollars a month. I
can't imagine, though, I mean, like I think about it.
Just think about buying an eighty thousand dollar car. It's
(40:49):
a lot of dough dough, it's a lot chuck. But
now that car would be worth about three hundred thousand dollars.
Well it's still around though, right, yes it is. Sorry,
there's still more to the story. Yeah, guy named Brad
Howard actually owns this car that was buried and trashed underground,
which is a pretty amazing into this story is that
(41:10):
this thing is actually restored to its former glory and
still owned by a guy. Yeah, and the guy Mike
Spinelli makes this point that, um, when the Ferrari was found,
it was in pretty bad shape, despite what Priscilla Paynton
said in the article, But it could have been in way, way,
way worse shape. And the reason why it wasn't in
(41:33):
in worse shape than it was was because those years
seventy between ninety six seven and most of night there
was a huge drought in southern California, the same drought
that actually created skateboarding. Because nobody could fill up their pools.
So skaters started skating the Z Town Dogtown z boys.
(41:56):
There you go. They they started skape warding because of
this drought. That same drought preserved this car a little
bit underground, more than it would have been had it
rained a lot. Right, And that's the end of that chapter,
Paul Harvey style. So you got anything else? No? I mean,
(42:17):
I wonder if this has happened again, maybe we'll do
a whole suite on buried cars. I would love to
know that. Yeah, if somebody, if you know that there's
especially if somebody buried another Ferrari, let us know. We'll
add it and make it a hat trick. Please. Uh.
In the meantime, you can go look up buried Ferrari's
all over the internet and on gelot Nick in particular,
who did a great job of digging this story up.
(42:38):
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nice and easy and relaxing the Commonwealth in the district
we didn't go to We didn't go to a state. No,
we didn't, did we. Yeah, you know those porschemos in
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um in DC can't even they don't even have representation. Yeah,
but they can buy weed. Really, I didn't know that.
I don't know if it's I don't know if they
have shops, but I know that DC is one of
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takes years after to roll that out. It's a big thing.
I read a really really interesting article. I think I
(02:13):
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recreational right. And I can't remember who it profiled or
what state the guy was working for, but it was
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this in, go figure out how to do this, and like,
do it right so that we actually get rid of
(02:35):
illegal weed and organized crime and all that stuff. But also, um,
don't hurt the alcohol lobby. Like this guy had so
many interesting air or balls juggling in the air that
it was a really great article. Check it out. I
don't remember what it was called. I'm pretty sure it
was The New Yorker, No recollection of the year. Go wait,
(02:57):
I just left. So we're talking today, not about weed
or the New Yorker or anything like that, even Jerry's lunch, Chuck.
We're talking about Ferrari's one of the most beautiful cars,
car lines, one of the greatest automotive manufacturers of all time. Yeah,
it's funny dudes like you and I. Obviously there's one
(03:21):
Ferrari to us, although I have grown to appreciate other
Ferraris over the years, like the Ferres Bueller Ferrari and
some of those older cool ones. But for guys like us,
the Magnum p I Ferrari is the Ferrari to indel Ferraris.
Is that like the Yes, I think I don't even remember.
I just call it the Magnum. That's all you need
to call it. One of the greatest looking cars in
(03:42):
the history of cars. And I'm not even a sports
car guy, right, No, I'm not either, but that is
probably the greatest car ever made. It's dope, yea. So
Magnum could rock that thing, and if you watch him
get in and out of it, it's pretty funny. Just
that alone is like, Wow, it's a really well made car.
Well yeah, and you also like it's Tom Sell like
nine tall, Yeah, he kind of is. And are his
shorts that small? But that that Ferrari that I think
(04:05):
it's a Yes, it was, um, Yes, his shorts were
very small. Um a lot of thigh On that show,
it was like a clown car basically when he'd get
out of it. Yeah, you know, Higgins would come after
and wreck. Man, what a show. But that's not the
Ferrari that we're talking about today, and I want to say, so,
there's some numbers that are in here. I went and
looked up the real numbers. These are way way, way low.
(04:30):
But as far as value of the car, yeah, if
you want to get fascinated, everybody, even if you're not
into Ferraris, just type in some of the names of
the Ferraris that we're going to throw out there today
in the years and you will find an entire world
out there of breathtaking lee rich people who buy Greek
tycoons half a million dollar cars, you know, Yeah, I
(04:54):
mean people value different things. Obviously. I've never been a
guy that that thought, like a seventy five thousand dollar car.
I've probably just thought why would somebody spend that kind
of money. But some people, you know, they love their car,
so that's their jam. You know. That's kind of what
this episode is for. It's a car episode from two
guys who are not car guys, So dig in and
(05:17):
prepared to be outraged a moment after a moment. I've
got my kind of SUV that my brother thinks is
a minivan. It's a crossover. Is that what they're called now?
A crossover is like a car and suv. Yours is
a minivan in an suv crossover. Yeah, I drive a
Honda Pilot now, everybody, and the Pilot underwent a change
(05:40):
from looking like a four runner type of suv a
couple of years ago. I think then they kind of
shrunk it and squatted it to where it sort of
looks like their minivan, put a clown nose on the front.
I try to get a minivan and try to get
the Honda Odyssey and him, and it was like, no,
we're not getting a minivan. Well I saw it just
yesterday and I can tell you it's a fine looking
car ship and you're like, totally normal. Drive again. First
(06:03):
time I've ever had leather seats under my butt? That
is so nice. Here at forty seven years old, and
you're just like, fart, that's how you fired in a
leather seat classy like well, Plus, it doesn't absorb like
those class seats a little stinky. Oh they do, they do,
and like it accumulates over time, you know what I mean.
(06:24):
That's why if you're ever gonna buy a a used car, everybody,
which frankly, I think you always should smell the seat. No,
just do yourself a solid and splurge on the leather
because you can wipe those off, right, But I do.
Everyone take hard. It's still I'm true to my roots.
I have my pickup truck because it's paid for and
I still use it for hauling nice garbage. That's that's
(06:46):
my side job, is it. I didn't know that. Yeah,
that's cool. Good trash. Good to know. Do you have
a card? I know, you just flag me down. I'll
just drive around yelling out the window. It's a good idea.
You don't need a card. Why waste money on this? Exactly?
So we're talking Ferraris today, and we're talking specifically a
two year period in the nineteen seventies when not one,
(07:09):
but two Ferraris made the news for being buried kind
of not Yeah, if you if you want to um terrify,
horrify a Ferrari enthusiast talk about burying their their favorite car. Yeah,
especially how they did it the second way. All right,
(07:30):
should we start out with the first one? Yes? Alright,
Spring and Beverly Hills very lovely, I imagine, yeah, you know,
I mean it's always lovely out there in Beverly Hills. Yeah,
that's the slogan they put on the T shirts. That's right.
There was a socialite named and she was married to well,
(07:51):
the story is a little convoluted, but she was the
widow of a Texas oil tycoon named Mike West. And
these are this is the bare bones beginning. She was
married to this guy. He died and she had a
car that she loved, a Ferrari America American nineteen. And
her wish was to be buried in this thing. And
(08:15):
we'll go ahead and leap to the end and say
that did happen, And now we'll fill it in with
all the exciting details. Yeah, so this this lady, Sandra West,
She actually was born and raised in Beverly Hills. Her
parents owned a clothing store, and so she was like
middle class um, but she was a looker and she
started dating like hunky stars like Elvis. She was hot
(08:37):
to Trot and Sinatra. I think that's actually fair to say.
She was a fun loving person, but also a very
um lonely person, as we will see. So she she
um starts dating around and she ends up dating a
guy named Saul West. Yeah, a little weird how this
all happened. So Saul West was a tech this oil tycoon,
(09:01):
and um, he was actually he was actually well he
wasn't away, but he was actually a younger the younger
brother of I Quest. So Sandra West when she meets Saul,
she doesn't know that I Quests exist, and she's not
super happy with Saul. Apparently he ran around on her
and everything. Um, and she was like, wait a minute,
you haven't a brother, and he's an older brother and
(09:22):
we all know what that means. And he's the true
heir to the family fortune. Where is he do you say?
And Saul was like, oh, he's just a washed up loser.
He loves drugs and drinking. And the parents they they're
sick of them, so they sent him down to Mexico
to live with his bodyguard. Yeah, that's where you got
to clean up. That's another episode right there. We need
to go. I looked into Ike West. There's not a
(09:43):
lot about him online. Yeah, I wonder, I mean, we're
Is it disparaging to say that she was a gold digger. No,
yes it is. She undertook and carried out a project successfully,
which is very rich guy. Right, But here's the thing,
Like she could have married Saul West. He was rich.
It's not like he didn't have access to the family fortune.
(10:05):
He was the one of the I think two brothers
who was in the good graces of the family. Yeah,
so it's not like he didn't have an allowance, right.
She apparently wasn't really happy with Saul West, so she
went after I quest and it wasn't like just you know,
picking the lowest hanging fruit, like she had to work
for this, and she did. She like took this dude
who was down and out in Mexico, living with his
(10:26):
body gone down and out in Beverly Hills. No, that
was Nicknulty, Yes, because his family kicked him out of
the US to go live in Mexico and just basically
do whatever you're gonna do. God knows what this guy
did in Mexico. Yeah, but she went down there, like
you said, um, cleaned him up, I guess, got him
off drugs. And he must have thought, you know, this
is this is great. This lady came all the way
(10:47):
down here, My brother's girlfriend came all the way down
here right to take care of me. Well, she definitely did,
and he turned over a new leaf. He said, you
know what, I'm I'm gonna come back to the United States.
And I want to take the reins of this company
that is rightfully mine and this is my wife and
or my wife to be. I'm gonna ask her to
(11:08):
marry me. And they got married. Yeah, so she cleans
the dude up. They get married, and then first thing
is she's like, okay, now we're moving to Beverly Hills,
and I want a Ferrari And he bought her Ferrari,
bought her the nineteen sixty four Ferrari America three thirty
good car. And um, I looked and it's it was
the Ferrari three thirty S n what chuck five zero
(11:30):
five five? And I was like, what is S? And
I can't see it? Yes, so I looked. There are
so few of those made Ferraris, like these vintage Ferraris
that they'll actually put the serial number after it. And
the serial number is usually a very small number. It's
not like one of these ones that they ran out
of numbers, so they started using letters. It's like four
five numbers usually, right, like my Honda Pilot. When they
(11:53):
gave it to me, they were like, here's her Honda
pilot serial number right eight zero nine slash a J two. Right.
He just checked your wats in the middle of it. Yeah,
I was like, that's the one I want. So they
will actually like they they if you look, they'll look,
they'll add the serial number after the name of like
this specific car is what they're talking about. And they
can do that because this particular Ferrari America, the nineteen
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sixty four that she had, was one of just fifty
ever made. So it was a hot car right out
of the gate. All right. So they're in Beverly Hills.
He has health problems because he had that history of
abusing his body. Um, he had some rapid weight fluctuations,
which is never great for your health, and he ended
(12:34):
up dying. Uh, in Las Vegas at the Flamingo Hotel.
What a way to go under what is labeled here
is mysterious circumstances. It's all it's labeled anywhere. I can't
find anything out about it. I wonder how many people
have died at the Flamingo Hotel under mysterious circumstances over
the years whose family successfully covered it up. So that's
(12:54):
a couple of shmows like us years and years later,
forty fifty years later, can't find out what happened. Right,
So how long were they married? Do you know when
what year they got married? So I believe in nineteen Okay,
so they were married a short four years. But nevertheless,
Sandrow West became heiress to that. Yeah, she got Ike's
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claim to the to the company. His share went to
her after he died. Right, And that's the thing, like
you can you know, you can say what you will
about you know, her setting her sights on the true
heir him um living pretty fast, but they appeared to
very much love each other. He left her his share
of the family fortune. She took his last name. Um.
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She said that she when she filled out a will,
she wanted to be buried in Texas next to her husband,
not in Beverly Hills, where she was born and raised
and spent most of her life. So they were like
an actual real couple. Um. So I have the impression
that when he died, like there was something missing for
sure in her life, especially considering that she is round
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known as a fairly um, a lonely person. Yeah, it
was like me and Emily. I married her for her
dowry as the daughter of a Central Ohio um auto
glass magnate. Right, but it's real you know that's right,
So well maybe we should take what were you about
to say? He's laughing at Auto Glass Magnate. That's what
(14:22):
he does, Seneco glass. Everybody plug in father and lass company.
Nice job. You need someone to come out and you
had a tree fall on your window. Rick will take
care of you. That's nice. That is nice. Uh. Which
he's gonna be at our Cleveland show by the way,
which is great. He should be. It's like right there, yeah, um,
all right, maybe we should take a break because I
see the words Ingelbert humper Dink in front of me.
(14:44):
We'll come back and reveal the secret right after this?
(15:09):
What secret? Well, she dated Inclbert humperdnk Okay yeah, after
like West died, right, she basically made the scene. She
became a Hollywood socialite. Yes. And I went to see
him in concert when I was a little kid. Yeah.
It was one of those like I always say my
first concert was cheap trick because that was the first
one that I paid to go see. But my parents,
(15:32):
as much as they didn't like music, they weirdly took
me to see Kenney Rogers uh Inclbert Humper Dink and
I think Bobby Goldsboro. Those are the three shows that
I have some faint recollection of being in the b
Those are some good early shows. And my mom saw Elvis.
I didn't go, but yeah, I think you told me
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that on that very last tour. I think that was
in the grace Land episode. Probably so so us Angelbert
Humperdink is one of the people she dated. She she
made a name for herself dressing up as the Texas
Rodeo Queen, wearing like fringe e stuff with Ryan stones
and a cowboy hat. She went out to Rodeo Drive
and we should we should say that she was like
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a genuine, legitimate died in the wool car enthusiast. Not
only did she have that America three thirty, she also
had a GTS. Uh no, I'm sorry at three g
T and a Dino. Is it a Dino? Do you know?
I think it's probably Dino, Okay, and a Dino. She
had three Ferraris plus also a Stuts Blackhawk. If it
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is so, Elvis like that car a lot. Actually it's
a It looks like a luxury land yacht married a
muscle car and that's what came out. You should look
at Elvis it's a neat, neat car, but apparently it
got like eight miles to the gallon. Well that's also
why I Alvis loved it, like two and a half tons.
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I don't want an efficient car, and and that's pretty good.
Uh So, you know she would do crazy things like well,
I mean, this isn't super crazy, but she would bop
around town in that Ferrari and like go to the
uh Chasen's and Beverly Hills in order of Burger to
go and speed out of there in a Ferrari in
her rodeo outfit. So she was sort of well known
(17:20):
in town. Is a bit of an eccentric And by
that I think we mean she like pills a lot. Well, sure,
it's the seventies, so uh yeah, so she lived fast,
but she had fun. I guess it's the way to
put it right. The fast died young. She did die young.
So in her America, she got into a car wreck
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and sustained some injuries and she seemed to be on
the men she was getting better, but she from what
I understand, she was given a nurse and a doctor
to oversee her the drugs that she was taking as
a result of the car wreck while she was mending um.
And then one night I guess she had taken too
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much or else she got her hands on some mother
drugs and she overdosed, apparently on codeine and barbiturous from
what I saw, very sad. However, this is where the
story gets a little strange. That that was in seventy
seven when she passed, and in nineteen two, five years previous,
she actually thought ahead of time and said, I want
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to be buried next to my husband. See in my
late night gown by Porter Loring. It was I guess,
just the the go to mortuary mortician, hot mortician in
San Antonio. Uh, and I want to be buried in
my ferrari with and this is a quote with a
seat slanted comfortably. Yeah. She didn't want to be sitting
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straight up right for eternity, of course not. So here's
the thing for her will to be carried out. It
fell to her brother in law slash ex boyfriend, Saul West.
Saul was not very amused by the prospect of having
to do this. I'm sure he was like, are you
kidding me? So? Um? After all this, Yeah, because not
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only is it bearing a ferrari, the other ferrars got
auctioned off for ridiculous amounts of money. Some of her
jewelry after her death was auctioned off for things when
I think one of them is like three fifty grand
in nineteen seventy seven dollars for one of her rings.
Another one's like a hundred and fifty grand for another ring,
and her ferraris were auctioned off. So her state was
being liquidated. The idea of burying one of these cars
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with her, who I would guess he probably didn't like
very much. Um, that was bad enough, but on top
of it, this funeral was going to cost about fifteen
thousand dollars in nineteen seventy seven dollars. So he went
to a judge and said, this lady was wacko. There's
no way I should have to do this, judge now.
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And the judge is like, all right, wait, we're gonna
put a hold on all this. Let's put Ms His
west on Ice in a mausoleum literally, and uh, we're
going to start all this out. So they did. Yeah,
So her position, Dr Raymond Weston Um had to testify
and says, well, she was a bizarre woman for sure.
Um and he described her as a psychotic with a
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tendency towards paranoia and hallucination. But the judge was like,
you know, it really doesn't matter. If these were her wishes,
then it's legally we have to carry them out. So
the final ruling came down that yes, we are going
to bury this woman in her ferrari, right, and by we,
I mean you saw the judge was not so sol
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did it. He hired Porter loring as um as Sandra
had had stipulated, and um they shipped the Ferrari out
from Beverly Hills, UH to be outfitted with Sandra, who
was wearing her lace nighty, put into the car and
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then put into a casket, an enormous giant casket, and
then um taken by train out to the graveyard where
a crane was waiting to the ferrari was in a casket. Yeah,
they put the whole thing in a casket. Well I
guess that makes sense, Sure it does. It's a big
old casket, was it? The didn't Elon must send up?
Oh no, of course that was a tesla right. It
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was like, wait a minute, wasn't there a ferrari in space? No,
it's a test Yeah, that would have not make it
any sense whatsoever. And it makes you wonder, like, who
really is Starman? Which of his enemies was unlucky enough
to be shot alive into space to die out there
while the whole world was watching, you know? And that's
because he's got a touch of super villain to him,
you think, Yeah, we're just all very fortunate that he's
(21:42):
not super villain because would be in big trouble if
he want keeps it all in check. Sure, so the
story very sadly sort of ended, although she got her wish,
she didn't she didn't have like a lot of friends,
like apparently the people that attended her funeral were her
attorneys and nurses and doctors and stuff like that. Uh.
So it was sort of a sad ending to this
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lady's wacky life to be buried in a nineteen ft long,
ten ft wide, nine ft deep grave in her Ferrari right,
which they filled with cement around so nobody could try
to get or that nightgown. But she got her wish,
her wish came true. Yeah, so happy ending, Sure, sad
(22:24):
ending happy uh And apparently now there it is still
visited by people. Where is it san Antonio. People will
go by and see where this Ferrari is buried. Yes,
you to San Antonio? Did you go by there? I didn't,
And I knew about this, but I didn't realize she
was in San Antonio. We would have totally gone. It
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sounds like something that you guys will put on your list. Well,
it's on the list now. I'll tell you that. Should
we take a break? No, should we barrel into the
second one? Then take a break? Yeah? All right, we
stay in California because that's where this kind of crazy
stuff happens. Well, we have to go back to California
because we were just in San Antonio. Good point. Watching
the three hundred spectators watched Sandra West get buried. It
(23:06):
was really weird, that's right. So we go to south
central Los Angeles, the West Athens part, and I didn't
know where West Athens was until I looked it up
nine Street roughly. Uh, it's sort of by the one
ten right, Yeah, it's kind of like east of Hawthorne. Um,
I have no idea what you're talking about. I just
made up that one tin thing. I looked it up
(23:29):
to though. I was like, because I had seen it
referred to the South Central, but then everything else said
west Athens and I'm like, what is that? So I
looked and then we're Beverly Hills in Hollywood are and
that's it, right, pretty pretty much in Venice the water,
but it is it's like in the south part of
South Central, the southwest part of South Central. I think
that seems about right near. Yes, okay, alright, so we're oriented,
(23:54):
and uh, there's a staff reporter from the l A
Times named Priscilla Paynton who's going to figure in because
she kind of covered the story and it is in depth,
and well, this story is a little weird. We're going
to tell you the story, but the story is not
quite accurate, but we're gonna We're gonna go and tell
it as it was originally written, which is what people
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thought it was for decades and decades. That's right. So
there were some kids digging around in the dirt in
their neighborhood, which is what kids are or to do.
This probably a little horseplay. I'm sure one kid was
probably self conscious. There was a lot of kids stuff
going on, lots of kids stuff, and they were digging
around and they felt something not too deep that felt
(24:37):
hard and said this. You know, I guess they probably
brushed the dirt away and said, this looks like like
maybe the roof of a car. That's a weird thing
to find at nineteen Street, but it's kind of a
weird thing to find anywhere buried underground, you know. Yeah,
So they got a cop involved pretty quickly, which was,
you know, a great thing for these kids to do.
(24:58):
I wouldn't have done that. I would have gotten shovel
and seeing what was going on. Oh yeah, oh sure.
So okay, well these kids were a little a little
more do gooder than you, apparently, right, So they flagged
down a cop and then the next thing you know,
there's two detectives on the scene, Detective Joe Sabbaths and
Detective Dennis Carroll, who would become forever known around as
(25:18):
precinct as Lenny Carroll because Priscilla Painter Painting called him
that accidentally. She put down that was his name in
the story. Oh if only Joe had become Carl, yeah,
Carl and Lenney, that would have been so wonderful. So
Dennis Carroll and Joe Sabbath were working this thing when
Priscilla Painting comes out and she's watching this, this whole
(25:39):
thing goes going down and this is what she's seeing.
She sees all of a sudden, now there's a there's
an earth mover. There's a whole bunch of sheriff's deputies
with shovels, also earth movers, but different kinds, you know.
And they're digging around this car and they're they're getting
more and more dirt off of it. And um, Sabbath
and Carol see that there's a car under there, but
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it's covered in like rugs and plastic. And somebody tried
to kind of intomb the car, mummify it, I guess,
is how one of the guys from gelop Nick put it.
And what it was was a Dino to six gts
and this also had a serial number, oh seven eight
six too, and uh, they kind of duck through the car.
(26:23):
They eventually got it out. They dug through the trunk.
There was no one buried in it. No, no drugs.
Are big suitcases of cash or something you might expect
to find in a buried ferrari. Yeah, you like, who
would just bury a ferrari? This became an actual, like
huge question. Well, they ran the plates and found pretty
quickly that it had been stolen, that it was listed
(26:43):
as stolen, and so they started digging into it, right
literally they did. That was that's a good catch. So
um they found that back in vour this eight in
four the car had been hearted stolen by the original owner,
a man named Rosando Cruise. And Rosando Cruise and his
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wife had gone to dinner at the Brown Derby on Wilshire,
um for their anniversary. Yeah. Well we should point out though,
as originally reported, they said that it was in surprisingly
good condition. Okay, this is Priscilla Paynton saying that in
the Los Angeles time. Kind of an important uh key
little clue here, right Okay, So, um, at the brown
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Derby Rosando Cruise and his wife for celebrating their um,
their anniversary. And he had just bought her recently a car,
I think for her birthday or something like that. Um,
and he was doing pretty well. Apparently he was a
plumber by trade. I would guess he owned his own company. Um.
But he had bought his wife a Ferrari that at
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the time had cost about twenty two thousand dollars is
how much I had sent him back, which is well
over seventy thousand dollars in two thousand seventeen. Yeah, okay.
So he when they got there, he had noticed that
the valet was looking a little too anxious to get
the keys from him, and he's like, I'm not letting
these guys get Ferrest Bueller my car. His wife was like,
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what does that mean. He's like, just give it a
decade or so and you'll see. So he decided to
just go parking himself on on Wilshire Boulevard much safer. Yeah,
good idea. And so when he came back, the car
was gone. That's right, the car was gone. Um. There
were no leads as to who took it. Uh, as
(28:33):
far as the detectives were concerned, and Farmer's Insurance group said,
you know what, we're gonna pay. We're gonna pay this
thing off at a loss of that uh dollar dollar
dollar dollars to the legal owner, um, which at this
point was the was the Bank of America, very very
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big point as well. Okay, so so basically the what
you just said, the shot of it is they said, okay,
we looked into it. The car was stolen. It's gone. Uh,
Farmer's Insurance, you need to pay the owner of the car,
which is the bank, and it's all just done. This
is four years prior, right, So when the car turns up, um,
like you said Priscilla Paynton, Well you want to take
(29:18):
a break. Nice cliffhanger. Okay. I took nice cliffhanger as
(29:43):
a yes. You meant yes, right, yes, okay, good, Well
we're back so um like you said, Priscilla Payton had said,
the car seemed in surprisingly good condition. She patented a
good picture, she did, but un incorrect picture, that's right.
So basically she set off this huge frenzy among Ferrari enthusiasts.
(30:05):
A Dino Dino had been discovered underground, had been written
off by an insurance company, and it was in surprisingly
good condition. That meant that they could probably get a
pretty good deal on it. And everybody wanted it. And
everybody started lighting up the switchboard at Farmers Insurance. Yeah,
and I get the idea that not only could they
get this Ferrari and and do whatever little restoration it needed,
(30:28):
but there's also just the story behind it made it
kind of a cool thing. Yeah, this was the car
buried in south central Los Angeles. Yeah, and I look
at it now. This made national news it also is
Sandra wests burial made national news and that had just
been several months before. Um, so the you know, the
two were compared. It was buried Ferrari fever in the US.
(30:49):
And how close that was very close? Interesting, I mean
different years. But she was buried in May, and this
happened I think in um like the following year or
like less than a year later. Okay, all right, So
the car actually was not in good shape at all,
to say the least, they were, And boy, I love this.
(31:11):
This is why it's a Ferrari. Twenty one layers of paint,
fourteen layers of primary, seven layers of paint. Um they were.
It was in bad shape. The paint was freckled. It
was had white spots all over it. Rust. Of course,
you can't bury a Ferrari and cover it with rugs
and expect it to you know, that'll take care of it.
(31:32):
So rust it eaten through it through the body. Um.
The leather interior was in bad shape. What did the
thieves do with some towels? So they were smart enough
to stuff towels into the intake to keep dirt and
worms and stuff from getting into the engine. But they
neglected to do that in the exhaust pipe. They had
(31:52):
put some towels in between the window cracks, I think
dangle the towels over the outside, but then didn't roll
the windows all the way up. So they weren't doing
a very good job. But in their defense, they had
to bury Ferrari in the middle of Los Angeles. How
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did this How did this not get noticed? I don't know.
But the cops when they canvass the area, the neighbors
were like, we have no idea. The residents of the
house were renters and they'd only lived there for three months.
They had no idea. So they the cops just basically
were like, well, it's a stolen car that was already
written off. It's a it's a done case. We're not
(32:33):
gonna break our backs trying to find out what happened here.
It's pretty obvious what happened here, So they sent it
off to Farmers. That's right in very bad shape. And
even pulling this thing out of the dirt, obviously the
engine compartment got crushed, uh, all scratched up and gouge.
The windshield was smashed, which Rick Sen a Bogan it's
(32:54):
in cod could have picked you right up, looks you're
right up in an afternoon. Actually probably not, because imagined
it for one shield like that is pretty hard to
come by. Um sorry, Rick, but uh, the idea that
someone could restore this thing was not true seemingly. Yeah,
(33:15):
and well, like Farmers was getting such um so many
calls and we're having to deal with the public on
such like a large scale that they decided to just
put it on display. So anybody who called in inquiring
about it, they said, well, here's the address. You can
actually go bid on it if you want it, and um,
people did, but they didn't really make too many serious bids.
(33:36):
They mostly just stripped the car as best they could.
Somebody took the dipstick. Even this Gelopnick article said, I
wonder if that was just let me get a piece
of this saying, or if it was like I can't
find a dipstick for mine, maybe both you know, or
eBay doesn't exist yet, but it will someday. I'm gonna
sell this thing for a million bucks. Yeah. So this
(33:56):
was a couple of weeks on display in Pasadena. Where
As this article says, everything that was not bolted down
was kind of nicked from it. I can't believe they
just didn't have security or something. Yeah, I don't. I
guess they weren't doing a very good time. I mean
it was a junk Ferrari so but still, I mean
they were taking bids on it. They didn't. It wasn't like,
you know, come come take what you want and say, Oh,
(34:19):
it's not like a starving artist sale at a hotel
conference room or something, you know. Alright, So the long
and short of it is, in the end, they did
take some bids after it had been scrapped and gouged
by onlookers. Right, So here's here's where the legend kind
of picks up again. Right, You've got this car that
(34:39):
has like a legendary status already, but it's also totally
tragic if you are a Ferrari enthusiast. This is a sad,
sad story. Um. But it's purchased by somebody, some unknown
person actually, like a mechanic I think who owned his
own garage in Burbank, tried to start it and like
(35:00):
for for something. For some time, there were some dispatches
coming out of this restoration project because the public apparently
knew that this guy had actually gotten it to start,
but then the engine just collapsed and it didn't look
very good. Right, Yeah, what do you pay? But like
between five and nine grand. Yeah, it's pretty good deal,
(35:20):
but it was in pretty bad shape. Right. So after that,
the Ferrari just kind of disappears for a little while.
And then somehow the Ferrari enthusiasts public could confirm that
the thing had been resurrected, it had been licensed, it
had been restored to its former beauty. They had a
(35:40):
new plate called dug Up, right, But then it just
is gone. It's not listed on any of the Ferrari
registries or the Dino registries or anything like that. It's
just they know it's out there, but they don't know
where it is. It just becomes like this phantom, which
makes it even cooler. And that's where the story ended. Originally,
(36:02):
there were there were a couple of Gelopnick articles and
it's a good website, It really is a great website.
And there was one Gelopnic writer in particular who was like,
that was a pretty good article, but I want to
know more about. His name was Mike Spinelli, and he
did a follow up he dig he dug in even
further to this legend. He wanted to find that Ferrari,
and he actually ultimately was successful. But what he turned up, Chuck,
(36:26):
was an even bigger twist to this story than digging
up a Ferrari in the middle of south central Los Angeles.
That's right. He ultimately found Dennis Carroll, that one of
the original lead detectives Lenny and Carl he was, and
he learned the true story, which was kids did not
find this thing playing in the dirt. That didn't happen
(36:46):
at all. It was actually discovered because of a tip
from a c I right, and if you've seen the wire,
you know what that stands for. It's a confidential informant.
He was a heroin addict and I want to say
he assume was guy for some reason. Yeah, it could
go either way. Yeah, I just hear a confidential informant
heroin addicted. I think, dude, not fair, ladies, I'm sorry, right, Yeah,
(37:08):
she'll leave us out of that circle. Uh. So he
and his partner had made Uh Lenny had had made
up that story about the kids finding it. I guess
because it was a police matter. It was a confidential informant,
so they had to cook up this fake story. They
I don't know if they had to, but they they
wanted to sniff painting off the case. Um so so
(37:31):
they Yeah, they just protected their source and said it
was kids playing, and that became how this car was
found for decades, that was the story. Any anyone you
heard that story from, unless you were probably the wife
of Joe Sabas or the wife of Dennis Carroll, they
would say they would start with some kids were playing
(37:52):
in a yard and found this car. Totally made up, right,
So that's twist number one that they found. Twist number
two is actually the fact that this was all a
set up job to begin with by the own Did
we say he was a plumber, Yeah, the plumber. Uh basically,
I mean what could he not afford it? So he
decided to have it professionally stolen to get an insurance claim.
(38:16):
That's my impression, that's what he did. We don't know
the reason behind it, I think for my interpretation, and
it's up for interpretation because he was never charged with
this crime. Oh really Yeah, it was written off as
a loss right which we all pay for it. Let's
be honest, right, Um, the the this is my this
(38:37):
is the Josh Clark interpretation of this crime. Rosando Cruz
very much loved his life his wife, so he bought
her a Ferrari that he couldn't afford. But did I
say he very much loved his wife, he didn't want
to tell her that he needed the ferrari back. He
arranged for it to be stolen and maybe make some
money on the side as well, and then he would
(39:00):
pretend to be mad that the ferrari was stolen, and
all of his problems would be solved, right, which is
why he cooked up the story about being wary of
the valet parkers. So this is why I need to
park it on Wilshire and that's where it was arranged,
pre arranged to be taken. And he he kind of
thought like, oh, you're gonna like strip it for parks
(39:20):
and then drive it into a ravine, Yes, which makes
sense in a weird way. Right, then you could fence
the parts so you get some extra money, and then
he would pay them out of the insurance claim. That's
not how it went down. He didn't say bury this
thing in south central l A right without stripping it
of basically any parts. I think they took the the
Ferrari logo off of the back of the car. But
(39:43):
everything else was points to the idea that the thieves
were gonna did Mike D's first necklace, but they they
every all of the way that the car was buried
points to the idea that the thieves were gonna come
back for it some day. There was an attempt to
preserve it. Let me throw some rugs on this, and
not only are we getting paid for steal on the Ferrari,
(40:03):
but we're going to dig it up and drive it
out of the whole one. Yeah yeah, wow, because it's
got all wheel drive probably that's pretty amazing. So um,
from what I understand, Rosander Cruiz was never charged with
this crime, even though the cops knew. Good for him,
I guess, um. But and that was just my interpretation.
I don't mean to cast any shade on him, but
just from my research. If that's not the case, my apologies,
(40:26):
But that that is what it looks like to me.
Here's the thing. He didn't get the check. The Bank
of America got this well. Yeah, so if that was
the point, he didn't think it through very well well,
but he was out from under those payments at least, right.
That's why I think he did it. He didn't have
to pay that like seven hundred dollars a month. I
can't imagine, though, I mean, like I think about it.
Just think about buying an eighty thousand dollar car. It's
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a lot of dough dough, it's a lot chuck. But
now that car would be worth about three hundred thousand dollars.
Well it's still around though, right, yes it is. Sorry,
there's still more to the story. Yeah, guy named Brad
Howard actually owns this car that was buried and trashed underground,
which is a pretty amazing into this story is that
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this thing is actually restored to its former glory and
still owned by a guy. Yeah, and the guy Mike
Spinelli makes this point that, um, when the Ferrari was found,
it was in pretty bad shape, despite what Priscilla Paynton
said in the article, But it could have been in way, way,
way worse shape. And the reason why it wasn't in
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in worse shape than it was was because those years
seventy between ninety six seven and most of night there
was a huge drought in southern California, the same drought
that actually created skateboarding. Because nobody could fill up their pools.
So skaters started skating the Z Town Dogtown z boys.
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There you go. They they started skape warding because of
this drought. That same drought preserved this car a little
bit underground, more than it would have been had it
rained a lot. Right, And that's the end of that chapter,
Paul Harvey style. So you got anything else? No? I mean,
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I wonder if this has happened again, maybe we'll do
a whole suite on buried cars. I would love to
know that. Yeah, if somebody, if you know that there's
especially if somebody buried another Ferrari, let us know. We'll
add it and make it a hat trick. Please. Uh.
In the meantime, you can go look up buried Ferrari's
all over the internet and on gelot Nick in particular,
who did a great job of digging this story up.
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That was unintentional. Uh. And since I said it was unintentional,
it's time for listener mail. I'm gonna call this another
teacher rights and we always like to feature teachers in
their classes. Hey guys, longtime listener, first time writer. Just
listen to How the Sun Works episode again and wanted
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to thank you for selecting it as a stuff you
should know. Select did you do that? I did? Oh?
Why did you do that to it? I don't know.
I just thought it should be out there again because
it's a legendarily one of our most troublesome shows. She
said it brought back, brought back awesome memories. Though. How
the Sun Works was my very first episode that I
listened to, and it's the one that made me decide
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to continue listening. How about to give you a second chance?
And she's like, are these guys for real? I think
it was your disclaimer that you were not professionals, wanted corrections,
and that you're continuing remarks for that we're badly screwing
this up, and it made me want to keep listening.
For the record, I thought you were charming, relatable and
delightfully human and wanted to hear more every time I
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listened to the show. And here you mentioned the awful
sun podcast, and where I right in and tell you
that that's the one that actually started my eight year
and counting love affair. How about that? That's something Like
many others who have been listening, your show has become
very special to me, not only because it helped me
through many long card trips and intensive home projects. But
because I've listened, there's some very formative years in my life.
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I started listening as a teenager, and I feel like
y'll are friends who have been with me through high school, college,
in my early married years. And now I am a teacher.
I teach seventh and eighth grade math, science, language, arts,
and social studies, and I feel like I'm constantly telling
my students facts and tidbits that I learned that week
from your show. And now I am middle aged and no,
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I'm retired, now I'm dead. Uh, seriously, it never fails. Guys,
Thanks again for all you do. Looking forward to many
more years to come. That's from Hannah Barton and uh
Ms Barton or Mrs. I don't know which. It's probably
Miss Barton's class, right, yeah, Miss Barton and your class. Hello,
thank you for listening. Oh boy, thank you for giving
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us a a second chance after that being your first episode. Yeah,
that was a great email, Miss Barton, thank you very
much for writing it. Good luck to you and your class.
It's gonna be a great year next year. That's right. Uh,
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