October 15, 2025 • 44 mins
Parker Fox hanging out in studio for a long segment, then Florio finishes the opening hour with Vikings/NFL conversation!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Paul Allen, mad producer by my side, and it's
a Wednesday, which means Parker Fox joins nine to noon
out of the gate hold the power trip go for
you today.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And good morning and good morning to you.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
It was.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
It was a beautiful show. Not the most beautiful day outside.
We're getting into that fall weather a little bit. But
we had fun. We actually did a little in NFL
history trivia. We went four and seven, so not a
great record. So remember there, Who invented the shotgun?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Was one of the questions, who invented the shotgun formation?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Shotgun formation? Oh, geez, Bear Bryant, do you know what Nordle?
Do you know what?
Speaker 5 (00:35):
I answer?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I have no idea.
Speaker 6 (00:36):
Okay, I could remember that I was trying to google
it here and then pretend that.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Oh, I'll get it, you'll get it. What else?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Which team went twenty winning seasons? Which team has won
three championships in three different cities?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Twenty winning season? Steelers?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
I think, yes, answer, well that's what we guessed, Yeah, Steelers,
And I think the answer was Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Mother Yeah. What else?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Three cities winning three AFC or NFC championships in three
different cities, that was.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
That was a tough one. Oh geez, well, basically, I mean,
what is it? It's basically it's rams or colts.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
I think the answer.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
I would have gotten met right, Hey, is it Red
Hickey going backwards? By the way, Red Hickey? Red Hickey,
did he invent the shotgun formation?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Ricky?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
It was the team that invented the shotgun Niners? Yes,
it was the Niners. Hickey is the gentleman in particular.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I wonder, I wonder what led to the concept, because
if you look back at football, there was a time
the goal post, uh didn't have just once posts and
it was in the middle of the end zone or
towards the back, so they would use it for picks
and people would get hurt. You would look back at
(01:56):
it and you'd be like, all right, well, when they
invented the thing, who decided to put this potentially lethal
contraption in the middle of the place everybody's trying to score.
It's akin to hockey when it was invented, who decided
the one facing the one hundred mile per hour shots
(02:17):
the goaltender uh huh doesn't wear a mask.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Yeah, it doesn't make much sense.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
How did they come to that conclusion out of the gate.
It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
So apparently, and this is via AI, which is horribly
off sometimes when it comes to sports stuff. Hickey devised
the formation to give his QB. Of course, why a
tittle more time to see over the D line and
pass because of the Colts and their strong pass rush
in a November nineteen sixty game, and a formation was born.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Okay, who invented the pistol formation?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Horrible?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
And why is the pistol formation even a thing? I
just it's one thing that I just never really understand.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Why is it named that?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Well?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
No, it's like, why do you do it?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I mean the quarterbacks in a short shot short shotgun
tailback closer to or or backfield employee closer to quarterback
than if quarterback was under center.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I think I've asked Kevin O'Connell this too, and I'm
sure he answered it, But I I just don't know
what benefits you get out of the pistol formation.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yeah, I if KOC had an answer, I would probably
agree with his answer.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Then go into mind.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
So christ Chris Alt was a Nevada coach in two
thousand and four, popularizing it for mister Kaepernick. Really, that's
that's again Ai subject to the pistol.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
With the pistol, Wow, and it worked.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I mean Colin, you know Colin. For all the controversy
with Colin, Colin was he was a air country quarterback
back in the day, don't you think?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Oh? He certainly was. He was to a Super Bowl.
He was fun to watch. Embarrass anybody who embar is.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
The Green Bay Packers at Lambeau got no problems with them.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I think that was a historical game for quarterback rushing yards.
I believe it was something like that. Well, yours truly
happens to be in quite the good mood today. Here's
why I no, everybody's excited for me, because I rolled
into work thinking mad producer, the producer of nine to
Noon was going to be super sour. You see yesterday
(04:24):
in our league freak long winding draft he got sniped on,
Amen Thompson, Josh Giddy, Miles Turner, and nikol Vucevich. The
hope as I walked into the building this morning was
that the producer was not moody in pear shape. So
I walked into the side studio and we made eye contact,
(04:45):
and then we shook hands as we are wont to
do to start every single day. It's either that or
a hug. I said, all right, and he dropped a
couple of explicitives and he.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Said, actually, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Now, I'm gonna try to outscore everybody with all these
guards and you know who needs amen?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Thomas like that.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Well, I think again, I think it's a compliment because
people are taking the players that I'm identifying, and that
just speaks to how formidable knowledge and I will thinking
about it. Oh, I'm going I'm going high flying this year.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Man.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
It's triples, it's points of the renthrow percentage. I got
guys that can defend. I got five cats, six cat
guys across the board. I'm feeling CON's feeling good about himself.
That's great because I thought you were going to be sour.
I need Vusovich.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Glad you're not predictable.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Wild loss last night, Bonus, back to back with a
travel against a team they rarely beat.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Good morning, Yeah, the wild I thought about the middle
of the second period.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
There they look slow.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Man.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I know it's the beginning of the season. I know
you're on the road. You got a little road trip here,
but there just wasn't the intensity. I talked to Mark
Parrish about it on the Power Trip a little bit,
just kind of his His thoughts of it was, it's
early in the season, guys aren't trying to have these
crazy bumps and bruises. Yet there wasn't as much intensity.
It's a road game, the whole deal. And as you know, Pa,
from the history of the wild Stars kind of matchups,
(06:02):
they've had our number. So that's a tough one. But
I think you bounce back and you go to the
Nation's Capitol next for your next game. But that the
one thing the Wild's got going is is their their
power play.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
That thing is efficient right now.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Mick talking about eleven twenty nine to now, well, they
they had pep in the step, and they had some
bigger behind the effort, and they had the the early
season intensity. When they cut that thing to one, would
like six and a half minutes to go, Parker got excited,
fired up.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Man, No, it's it's a fun time right now.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I was actually one other thing I got to do
yesterday it was really exciting. Was God who Capitol Club
and listened to Tim Conley speak. I know we were
talking wild but jeez. If you know me, I'm a
huge Timberwolves nut. And and to listen to Tim Conley,
kind of our leader and a really kind of forward thinker,
especially with the way he's really introduced some of these
foreign guys. You know, he obviously draft Nicol Jokic. He's
(06:56):
really high on Baron Jay, says that Baron Jay could
be the best.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Defensive player in the league one day.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
So so it's just some really cool stuff listening to
Tom Tim Connley speak.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
When is that day? Yeah? Round flyer here, hang on,
I'm in a draft right now, Parker. I need to know.
I don't know about this year. Have the brakes on
it this year?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
And I know there's a whole lot of minutes with
Rudy Gobert, Naseried and Julius Randall kind of holding down
the front court. But the future is in good hands.
Hopefully we see some you know, flashes from Rob Dillingham
this year, and then you move forward with a guy
like Baron Jay, I think only seventeen, eighteen, nineteen years old.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
There's got to be one of the three. Yeah, one
of those three.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
But he's twenty in just to cover them all death
till twenty to cover. But he's he's young, he's long,
he's athletic, and he's he was in like a second
league in Latvia and just kind of has just sparked.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
So I'm really.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Looking forward to what he could be.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Good night, because the con Artist, yeah, is so well
respected in elite freak Yeah, and in a short amount
of time there. I'm not gonna say the name. You
guys can figure this out if you are so inclined,
which you probably won't be. And I'm not even going
to say exactly the day. I'm just going to say,
(08:09):
within the last two days watching NBA League Pass, yeah,
I caught a nineteen soon to be twenty year old
player off the bench from somebody I'd never heard of him.
The guy balls, really and he's going to play twenty
three plus minutes this year for set Squad. Oh, come on,
and he's a baller and I'd never heard of him. Hey,
Western Conference or Eastern Conference. I'm not like you just
(08:33):
said that. You know, the con Artist is so well respected.
Everybody's Ellis Cat in Chicago. Nope, everybody's everybody's sniping his players.
I woke up this morning thinking about the cons basketball
team so.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
You got to do a little work with this.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
Con No, I'm going to spend the next hour. It
was good talking with you, Pa. Let my Tory Horton
pick a little bit too. I can I ask you
a dumb question. So, whether it's Baron Jay or it's
off the top of my head Zikorski, Yeah, the other cat.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So how do you develop them in the near time?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Well?
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Yeah, the one really nice thing about when that's just Dieowa,
then right like that they're chilling down there exactly. That's
the one thing the NBA has has done a really
good job. And the nice thing about the Wolves is
it's right there right Des Moines is just just down
the road, as we say, up here in the Midwest.
But that's obviously something that that you look at in
terms of these young guys, putting them in Iowa, letting
them kind of rock out in terms I would say,
(09:27):
which means go down there and have success. Yeah, you know,
basketball is such a confident sport, Like when you're shooting jumpers.
I think Rocco is a guy specifically where they want
him to stretch the floor, they want him to shoot
the three. If you're doing that, if you're hesitating you're
not the type of player you need to be, So
being able to go down there and shoot them freely,
get them up at free will is important. But then
Bearing Jay is a guy that I see sticking up
(09:48):
here in Minnesota a little bit more. Obviously, injuries happen,
depth happens. It's eighty two games. But he's very Rudy
Gobert esque. He's obviously, you know, from Europe, just like
Rudy is. But I think there's a lot he can
learn from Rudy in terms of defensively rebounding, affecting shots
and maybe not even blocking shots, of being there to
affect them. I think Baron Jay's a guy that we
see in the Timbrels roster, even if he doesn't play
(10:10):
a lot of minutes, kind of hanging up here with
Rudy Gobert is. There's a physical aspect of this, I
assume as well. Where I mean Baron Jay, you know
what is he six', ten six,' eleven somewhere in. That
neighborhood maybe, HE'S seven i, don't know but at eighteen,
years old when we're talking about, his age there's an
act like a year, from now he could have fifteen
extra pounds, of muscle like learning how to even just
(10:33):
take the hits inside and be a physical presence at,
that age like he may not even be done growing
and so getting the physical aspects of the game.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Down.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Too, well Yeah and tim kindy talked about that yesterday
right where it's like you haven't played at this wasn't
there you were at, The, camp yeah. That's sure he
talked about this where you haven't played AT this, nba,
level right this is the highest level. In sports he,
was IN like, i said like the second League, in
latvia and, it was, you know not the, greatest basketball
but he was able to show. Limpses there And Then
tim connley said they worked him out in a local
(11:03):
gym about a week before the draft and they were
just blown away by, how athletic how explosive. He is
and those are all. Great THINGS but i think, You're,
right nordal what's the next step. In, that well we
got paid. In advance yeah, that's, True, right yeah. No
doubt but it's, gaining weight it's, gaining strength it's being
in the, weight room it's all those. Good things but
then there's also that just there's some of that strength
that just comes, with experience and you know when you're
(11:24):
going to take, the bug you know when you're going,
to cut you know when you're going to euro, a
step you know when you're going to make the. Extra
PASS so i think experience will be big for the
young eighteen year old.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Sweet well As the wolves.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
BENT goes i happened to do a radio interview yesterday
In the sacramento market with a long Time Former sacramento
kings play by, Play Guy. Grand napier we've been friends
for multiple decades and he asked me About, the timberwolves
and as we were talking it out a, little BIT
all i kept coming back to, was, like quote, quality
(11:55):
squad no doubt. About it WHAT? About, okc yeah WHAT?
About okce it just seems they're so far ahead of.
The CROWD am? I?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Wrong no.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
They are they, really are and they showed it yes.
Last year it was Something Where tim conny also spoke on, that,
is yeah you've gotten, there, Twice right you've Gotten This Western,
conference FINALS but i think both of them are four,
To one so it's like, you're close but you're really not.
That close there's there's levels, to this as we discussed
across all professional Leagues And oklahoma city's there at the peak.
(12:26):
Right now, they got, you know that that three headed
Monster In, jalen Williams chet Holmgrim and Shagu just alexander
and to bring that down you got to be. Really
good you got to be either shooting the ball at
a really high rate or something's got to be. Going
right but it's it looks like they're going to be
the cream of the crop again this year.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
WITH the nba beginning next week the.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Regular season the common thread through this part of the
preseason has, been injuries where just the last couple, of
days pretty significant Injuries To kobe white For the Bulls
And jalen brown For.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
The celtics he's not listening.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Three Too because i'm trying to determine whether you're Talking
About donovan klingen or Kal el Ware for miami in
terms of the guy that's gonna get extra minutes and.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
He's balling where's a?
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Stud man?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Any Anything joser thompson is who? It is anything different
you'd like to See With anthony edwards?
Speaker 4 (13:21):
This, SEASON yeah i just want to see his decision
making continue. To improve we all talk about. HIS finishing
i think that's Evident, to aunt he needs to be
a better finisher around. The rim his left hand needs
to be better around, the rim and then sometimes just
go up and dunk, that, Thing man like go finish.
The play you're, Athletic enough you're already. Up THERE so
i think THAT'S where i start with one finishing around,
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the rim, and THEN like, i, mentioned playmaking he's gonna get,
Double teams defenses are going to shrink in.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Around.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Him there there's opportunities for him to be primary ball
handler a little bit, this year depending on what Happens
With rob Dillingham And mike Conley and dante divinceinzo situation.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
At the point Guard and julius Rand And, Julius, randall yes,
that point, THAT point i.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Like, THAT yeah I Think tim connley really does like that.
As WELL but i Do see ant with the ball
in his hands. Starting offense that means the defense. Shrinks
in where are?
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Your?
Speaker 4 (14:08):
SHOOTERS right i think that's something that we're not as
good as. This year We're Missing Nakil. Alexander Walker Terrence.
Shannon jr is going to kind of take over, that
role probably not as good of, a shooter yet, better
athlete but where's your? Decision making, you know are you
dumping it Off? To rudy are you spring it to
the corner to the? Nas reed can you improve in?
THAT aspect i think those are the one and two
(14:28):
Punch For.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
ANTHONY edwards i have a common thread In my twitter
feed in the case for about. A week just cracked
open the tweet machine for nine to, noon today. Hit
notifications FIRST tweet i look at From A. Peter fazino.
Frozemer time. FROZEMER time, I mean i don't know about,
(14:50):
you guys But like frozemer time And This minnesota vikings,
quarterback situations beating your boy down a. Little bit and,
here's why because it's ALWAYS ja. J season IT'S always
jj season and WILL be jj season for yours truly
in us for hopefully quite. Some time has to, Be,
amen yeah it has to, be Okay If carson wentz,
(15:12):
is healthy he gives them a better chance right now
to Beat The. Philadelphia eagles, He, Does, yes Amen at
brosemer is talented. And, SMART now i don't necessarily think
it's going to get To the, brosmer situation but it's
LIKE before i left on the vocal, maintenance days then
through O'Connell yesterday Texting, with nordo getting a Question, from
(15:33):
nordo who's apoplectic in the side studio at eight forty two,
this morning and saying it has To, be wentz. Doesn't,
it yeah it's just it's. Just yeah BUT when, i
left you, were like it has to. Be McCarthy it's
it's this. Whole thing let's just get to The game.
Sunday noon, You know.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
TAYLOR and i will be, there too super. Fire, sweet
yeah it's it's it's gonna be a. Fun ONE but
i think, You're. Right pa as Long As carson wentz
is non, throwing shoulder is healthy enough to go out there,
and play he's the guy you got.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
To play and that's not.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
An indictment it's on, the past the two game no
two game pass performances Of The, michigan kid or Casting,
the Gays the Way of ages.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Twenty two, twenty three, twenty four twenty five and.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
So on what does he go nine for nine and
that last drive to win the?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Football game and you see that as a as a,
head coach and you're not going to play him Against
an eagles team that's lost too straight to The what Broncos.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
AND giants i.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Think O'Connell if they're both healthy and healthy enough.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
To, play yeah and He Uses.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Carson wentz and this is with all due respect to
somebody Of whom i'm, very fond head coach Of The. Minnesota,
vikings likewise for, his family if if that's, the case
then he has to make it, elevator music what he,
sees online what he hears on, the radio what he
hears SEES, on tv what he reads. In print it
has to go in one ear and out, the other
because there will be those in the functioning clickoholic society
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who are going to be casting up or going to
be taking the leap that they don't like, the kid,
You know they just they're they're they're already bored with.
The KID and I think I think kevin takes that. Stuff,
Personally YEAH and I.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Think JJ's got, a good, you know head on his
shoulders when it comes to. That stuff there's a reason
why you win a, national championship you KNOW what, I
mean there's a reason why you get to.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Those levels you have to be pretty.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Mentally tough people, are Saying maybe la against his former,
head coach you know all these, different rumors but if
you ask me, COMPLETELY candid, i say you.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Rock With carson wentz until you can't rock with him.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
No MORE why i.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Just feel like he's.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
THE guy i gotta start with the kids sooner. Or,
later yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Do, You DO but i think he's the guy.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
RIGHT now i Think this vikings team has enough pieces
to go to a special place that you have to
rock with the person that's making. It, work now if that's,
you know YOU'RE throwing jj in for a possession leader
and you're and you're tickling in it a little bit seeeing,
What happens i'd love.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
That aspect but seeing, The, fancy yeah see this talker
beat some brothers, mind down, BECAUSE yes i agree with what,
you're saying but they drafted and raised right the kid
who may have two good ankles.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
For from all for this.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
For, now WELL but i also look at Like A
jordan love situation where you sat for. THREE years i
look at some of these other situations where you had
to kind of pay, your dues you got to, you know,
study DEFENSES and I think jaye's already really good at.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
That stuff but also that there's the.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Ankle injury so if you're not fully healthy and you
throw a young guy out there who's not able to
perform at the best of, his ability that's deteriorating some, mental,
health confidence all that kind.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Of stuff so but if said kid knows his ankle
is healthy enough, to play and you make the decision
to use the, other, guy yeah that here's the heart
and the confidence. More problem, yeah, yeah right that's where
you got to be really tough. As, well okay, three
too and.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
All all Love To.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
CARSON wentz i don't think he has provided, this material
uh standard of greatness over. His time he's done the,
right things and what's up against him here is he's
new to the mix and you need you need a
runway and all of. Those Things but i'm, very appreciative and,
in particular you guys mentioned it nine to nine on
the game. Winning drive. Loved it but but to, that
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end that's the key. For me if, he's healthy. He
plays but the subjective nature of it is that he's
got to. Be healthy and from the, coaches standpoint he's
been not definitive in, many ways but he's been pretty
CLEAR on i need my cat playing full weeks. OF practice.
I need i need that full normal. Lead up he's
only practiced once since what Since the? Chicago, game yep.
(19:29):
That's crazy so he needs, full weeks which means he needs,
full health Which means i'm. All IN it's jj season.
For me but, it's uh, you know it's it's It's
A carson uh for now is really what?
Speaker 5 (19:42):
It is?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
All right, and closing what's what's this waggle thing you
REPOSTED on X Featuring you're Soon To?
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Be, white yeah it's a it's a.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Golf brand they've partnered With with taylor for a couple of,
years NOW and i brought a golf brand on the
ice on the ice that they're coming out with the
hockey Collection And brock Faber And dallas Stars Goalie jake
ottinger are also part of.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
The brand, pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Unique video you can go see IT on I, like
jax but it just kind of shows the personality and
super cool for them to To, include TAYLOR these nhl
stars making all, this brand making all, this money doing.
Their thing oh you know they got? Their bag is
that what the? Kids say that's what? You, say yeah,
it's true getting, Your bag get? Your Bag, no cooper
super cool it's a it's a, golf brand but they're
(20:28):
doing some hockey. Stuff too they're killing it In the
metro and it's fun. To see you've probably seen the.
Hats around all these young kids are Wearing the waggle
hats with the big print in the Front says waggle on.
The side it's kind of the New? Uh aura is
that a word you Use? In PAM when i See
you monday at, ELEVEN am i.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Can't wait Will The minnesota vikings be three and three
or four?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
And two they will be four. AND two.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
I think i just think that there's a lot of
confidence coming off of the. Bye week hopefully you probably
know better when this injury report. Comes Out But blake
cashman should be wearing the. GREEN dot i think he
really helps. Your DEFENSE and i think this team In The,
philadelphia eagles is searching a. Little bit they're trying to
(21:09):
figure out. THEIR identity i believe their identity is giving
the ball to number Twenty Six. Saquon barkley he's the
Person that i'm most, YOU know i think it's most
dangerous On this. Eagles team so if you can stop,
the run you can Beat. The eagles well at.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Ten am we have A segment nordo is going to
lead Called bird seed and it's the anatomy of a
two game losing streak for the champions and we dissect
what coming. Into it we, were, like, okay cool let's figure.
This out but after he puts some, things together they
may have some mounting.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Problems here issues. They do they may have.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Some mounting issues here that they may not be able to,
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Dot Com my florio pft about ten minutes. From now hyperbolic?
Or hyperaccurate these statements hyperbolic. Or hyperaccurate and let's. Begin
Here cleveland Brown Owner jimmy haslam will Fire Coach kevin
(23:04):
stefanski before. Season's end hyperbolic or. Hyper accurate the team
is one in five and averages thirteen point six points.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Per game what do? YOU think, I actually i think
that they. Give him i'm going to say.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
IT'S hyperbolic i think that they are going to part
ways after the season and it's, and frankly in, THE
end I think stefanski should have his pick of the
litter of the next head. Coaching opening and but but
that that can't continue.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
TO persist i don't know where your head's at.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
ON it i don't. SEE him i think out. Of
respect Two time coach Of the year gets to finish.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It hyperbolic. It's not it's not a situation.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Where we just can't Have A kevin stefanski of all
people in the. BUILDING anymore i think he finishes the
year you put.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
That move stefanski and General Manager andrew berry received ballyhooed
contract extensions into, last year so you know THAT'S without
i don't think they were. Free agents so maybe they
put a two on top of, a one maybe a
three on top of. A one stefanski Two time coach Of.
(24:13):
The year, and Strangely As mike tomlin, pointed out and
we'll bring.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
This up With The, Mike florio so you did you
did hear that from?
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Him?
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Yesterday here what The the tomlin audio, Where Well andrew
berry must just be smarter.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Than, EVERYBODY yeah i didn't. HEAR it i. Read it it.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Was terrific he was, Like paraphrasing he, Was, like brah
did you really just trade a quarterback who knows where bones?
Are buried granted, he's forty but knows where bones are
buried to a. Division rival it was, Just CRAZY and
I guess i never really looked at it, that way
but talking.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
To, Me.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Tom andrew berry must be a lot smarter than me,
or us because it doesn't make sense, to me damn
to trade a quarterback that you think enough of to
make your opening day starter to a.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Division opponent it's hurting the.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
That, area well that's going to make for. Some comfortability
In the starbucks line AT. The jw Marriott in indianapolis
for the, scouting combine who Was It jordan schultz and
Was it Ian RAPPAPORT port i think, It, WAS yes.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I got into it In that.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
STARBUCKS line i will see if there's an encore we
agree with. A hyperbolic now a schedule will be required
to go through the, next one so we'll hold off
on that hyperbolic or hyper ACCURATE.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
With.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Jj McCarthy eventually a quarterback and the Wounded returning minnesota
WINS The nfc north hyperbolic or? Hyper accurate why do you.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Put me in? This, spot well you can put them
together and put me in.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
THE spot i think it's hyperbolic at this moment because
even with the WOUNDED returning i would still say through,
two games we don't know what we HAVE. IN jj
i LOVE The nfc player Of the week with the
three consecutive scoring Drives At, soldier field not particularly excited
about taking all those sacks and the issues that persisted
in the In the. Falcons, GAME oh I just i
think it's hyperbolic at, this point but we do need.
(26:13):
To play that's kind of the tough the tough Spot that,
ko's in, all.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Right something i'll wish to chew. For later or maybe
the feast hyperbolic? Or hyperaccurate The The New york jets
hell will be the NFL's first oh to. Seventeen team we. Hyper,
accurate well we'll hit That with florio and Bring in MIKE.
(26:38):
Pft a you Know We Pro football talk dot com
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Speaker 2 (26:43):
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Speaker 1 (26:45):
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now you must have just posted THIS because i looked
at the website twenty.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Minutes ago it.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Wasn't there Tua Tonguea iiloa's wednesday press conference will, be
interesting to say. The least what does that mean in. Good,
morning well, you.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
Know he made some Waves on sunday after their last
second loss To, the chargers where they had erased the
twenty six to, thirteen deficit, came back took, The, lead
charger drove down the field to get. The win he
called out unnamed teammates for not doing little things like
being late or as he, initially said not showing up
for player. Only meetings that created a lot. Of questions
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mike McDaniel addressed It on sunday and, downplayed it but Then, by,
monday McDaniel who apparently hadn't Heard what tua had said
before he commented after. The game he Said that tua
shouldn't have. Done that that's not the place to, do
that to call your teammates out like. That publicly it
sparked media questions for four other players who met with Reporters.
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On monday most of them said basically the same thing with.
Different words we keep. Things internal so today is the
Day that tua and others will meet. With reporters quarterbacks
who Play on sunday typically have their midweek press Conference,
on wednesday and it's going to be a. Topic again
and that's the problem with taking something like That public it,
(28:18):
Raises questions it invites. Follow up what have you done?
Since then have you apologized to? Your teammates who are
the teammates you were? Referring to have things gotten? Any
better why did you? Do it YadA, YadA so and
when you look at, the transcript. It's comical each of
the five people who are Available, on monday right out of,
the gates boom boom boom, boom boom questions about what
to a seid because it's so unusual to have a
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quarterback put players on blast. THAT way i remember twenty
years ago it was a big Deal When peyton manning
after a playoff loss To the, Steelers said i'm trying
to be a good. Teammate here let's just say we
had some issues with, pass protection and that was a.
Big deal this takes it to another level and creates
issues for a team that's currently dysfunctional at one, in
five and it's not going to make things.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Any Better, peyton Manning when Mike vander jack was on
the team on the team called him the, idiot kicker liquor.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Up, kicker, yeah YEAH that's i think.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
He said idiot kicker got. Liquored UP but i don't
know that he got. Liquered up but that was Because
vander jack right in, an interview made comments about whether
in to what extent the cults are in position to
contend for, a, championship, YadA YadA, And yeah peyton didn't.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Like, that well how do you read?
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Into This because mike's right quarterbacks generally do Speak, On
wednesdays so you'll Have a kevin O'Connell press conference, today
here then after that It'll Be carson WENTZ and.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Jj McCarthy how do you read?
Speaker 7 (29:42):
Into that they're, both speaking both, speaking today, podium today.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Podium, today, well.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
Hey they got a decision to make as McCarthy, gets
Healthier as wentz plays, well Enough and i've been meaning
to go back and do a deep dive of the
targets and the catches and The production i'm assuming. Per
Game justin jefferson's getting More From carson wentz than he
GOT from. JJ McCarthy i just wonder what the preferences
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are in the. Locker room it's one thing to have
the coach try to manage the situation and play The
Old denny green one card from nineteen, ninety Eight When
brad johnson broke His leg week two Against. The Rams
randall cunningham. Comes in i'm looking At The sports illustrated
cover born again after that epic game Against the Cowboys
(30:32):
Where randy moss had the all time? Stat line what
was it three one, fifty three? Three touchdowns maybe one
fifty Six That brad johnson will play when he's a
hundred percent and he was never a Hundred percent and
eventually they stop asking. The QUESTION so i feel like
there's going to be a temptation to let this ride
a little bit More With, carson wentz especially going against
one of his, former Teams, the eagles and now he's got
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a bunch of, former teams but that's the team he first.
Played for you're tempted to see what he can do
with two more weeks to. Get ready And If justin
jefferson and others are making it known directly or indirectly
that they kind of like to let, this ride it's gonna,
BE tempting i think for the coaching staff To let
wentz give it, a try and Then if, wentz, STRUGGLES
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okay jj game, day backup ready to go if something. Goes,
WRONG now i haven't seen an, injury report and there
hasn't been one since the. Last game carson got popped,
pretty GOOD and i know there's been a lingering issue about,
his health but it sounds like maybe they're gonna have.
Both available they're gonna have a decision to Make on
sunday or at some Point before sunday as to who
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the number one quarterback is going.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
To be wentz, left shoulder and he incurred that In
The tottenham, hotspur game and he.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
Admitted to me afterwards it was stupid that. He can't
he can't. Do that you got three yards to go
to the, first down you got two guys bearing down.
On you you're usually asking for trouble if you run into.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
That collision with the.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Bad, shoulder now granted it's the. Left shoulder he throws
with his right arm nine, for nine Including putting addison
on the final three catches in the. Game winner, bad
shoulder he goes nine. For nine so there's that now.
With McCarthy first two games before, the Ankle No, jordan
Addison No, christian Darisol and wentz Has had darisaw Mostly
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And Addison Andrew van ginkel one of the two most
important people to. This defense in, My estimation wentz has
not had games, with him so Therefore the vikings have
got gouge in the running game a little bit where
McCarthy had some games with Him And, blake CASHMAN and
I think cashman returns. This week it's it's it's not,
a schism it's not, a chasm but it's, very confusing don't.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
You, Think well and.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
It's a microcosm of the off season deliberations that created
a lot. OF confusion i know that folks involved in
the two Camps Of sam DARNOLD and jj McCarthy weren't
sure What the vikings were going to do about who
their quarterback would be for. Twenty five there was confusion
as to who was even making. The decision do we
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continue to let it ride with. What's working do we
take a step forward ideally and not a step backward
with a young franchise quarterback potentially and let him get,
his reps let the game slow down. For him the
more he, plays now ideally and, in theory the better
he's going to. Be later so that's. The challenge how
far do you want to push the guy who's got,
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THE experience, I Mean carson wentz has nearly ONE hundred
nfl starts now under. His belt how far do you
push that in the name of, winning now while it
also is going to impair and delay the DEVELOPMENT of.
Jj McCarthy that's. The balance and at the end of,
The day i'm going to refer to one of the
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best overall, quarterback coaches, play designers play callers that the
game currently Has in. Kevin O'Connell he'll he'll know what,
to do he'll know the right way to, go here
and he'll know how to manage. This SITUATION so jj
McCarthy doesn't get upset and understands this is. About winning,
And Also carson wentz has a long history. Of injuries
it's not like, YOU know I would, I mean i
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would not wager anything of value on the Idea That
carson wentz would stay healthy for the next twelve games
and not put himself in a POSITION where jj McCarthy's
going to have to Play because wentz.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
IS out i got some speculation, for you speculation in
that it's created by ME and i just thought. ABOUT
it i Believe If daniel jones had been convinced he
would be given a fair chance to win the starting
job here that he would not be a member Of The.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Indianapolis colts what do you think?
Speaker 4 (34:43):
OF that i think.
Speaker 7 (34:43):
THAT'S fair i think. That's fair but see the problem
is when when you're competing with a guy who has yet,
to play there's a lot of organizational pressure given the
fact that you've traded up from number eleven to number
ten to at. This guy and we've seen the other
guys who were taken in that, same range six quarterbacks,
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in all all of them have. Been playing most, of
them if not all, of them have looked. Pretty Good
caleb williams, Is Improving jayden daniels has, Been Great bone
nicks has a team that is forcing its way into
The super. Bowl Window Michael pennix junior is, Looking good
drake may is. Looking good there's a point where, you're,
like hey we got to see what we. Have here
we got to find out what. We have so that was,
the TENSION and I think, JONES personally i think Somebody
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pulled jones aside, and, said look you're gonna have more
than a fair chance to Beat Out, anthony richardson And
the colts had seen Enough of RICHARDSON where I think
jones could take that leap. OF faith i just think
it's in a more awkward Situation in minnesota because you've got.
This guy it's almost like What the, giants Had Where
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russell wilson was in a tougher spot to Succeed With
jackson dart there and that would have been. The CONCERN
so i think you may be. Onto something and, you
know they Really Liked daniel jones to the Point, WHERE
paul i don't know if we've talked, about this but
there was a little smoke out there that, you Know
when jones got bumped up to the active roster late,
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last year they possibly had something in mind. With him
if the Chariot stayed Pumpkin For, sam donald we all
saw what Happened in detroit. Week eighteen if that had
lingered And the vikings had advanced past the, wildcard round
there's A Chance daniel jones would have started in the
division around If the viking somehow could have threaded that
very small Needle of donald not playing well And the
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vikings somehow Beating the.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Rams well that this is anything but organizational turmoil For The. Minnesota,
vikings however speaking of organizational TURMOIL and i saw This
At Pro football Talk dot com.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
This morning, all right So.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
The titans fire Head Coach BRIAN callahan pft as A
piece i saw this morning indicating the recent Decision for
callahan to not call plays he had that taken from
him may have come From Owner Amy. ADAMS strunk, i mean,
if true what do you think about?
Speaker 7 (37:03):
All, that well HERE'S what, i think and this is
the big picture. Of you bad teams. Stay bad dysfunctional
teams do. Dysfunctional things and for the teams that are,
chronically dysfunctional the dysfunction flows from the top of. The
organization whether It's the browns And Owner, jimmy Haslam the
jets And Owner. Woody johnson they don't accidentally. Stay bad
they're making bad decisions because the owner is making, bad
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decisions whether it's who he hires or she or what
it is that he or she does to actually meddle
with the. FOOTBALL operations i think the key is you hire,
good people you let them do, their thing and you
just go be. A fan that's the right way to own,
a team but it's tempting for people who who own
the team and they have the right to. Do it
this is. The problem they have every right to. Do
(37:48):
it the problem for the fans is they have no
recourse when. It happens and look at the Dysfunction. In
tennessee the. Half measures this guy, gets fired then that guy,
gets fired then this guy. Gets fired and there's a
Perception That Amy adams strunk will have someone in the
organization that she regards as the person she's going to.
Listen to that person emerges with. The power it's like
(38:09):
a it's Like a Game of throne style experience where
guys are positioning themselves to be the next one who's
got the keys to. The kingdom so that's not good.
For anyone and the biggest problem for the fans is
there in a damn thing you can do. About it
there's no, recall vote there's no way to fire. An
Owner jed york said that when the forty nine ers
were mired in, you know one coach every, year Dysfunction
(38:29):
From jim Harbaugh to Jim tom Sulla To, chip kelly
he made, the comment you don't dismiss. The owner and that's,
the problem because what can. Fans do the only thing
fans can do is boycott. The product but it's hard
to deprive yourself of something. You love it's going to
take years and years where the fans become completely apathetic
and find something else to do On their Sundays and
Mondays and thursdays and whenever else they play for it
(38:52):
to register on the. Bottom line and, even then you
got to try to lose money because you're getting one
thirty second of all the. Shared revenue so that's. A
PROBLEM and i say this all. The time you have
to pass two tests to drive a car written. And
driven you have to pass zero tests to own and
OPERATE an. Nfl team you just need to show up
with a big enough bag, of money or your name
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has to be in. The will.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
That's it florio, Ho f what did you Make of
Tomlin CHIDING Brown's gm andrew berry Por Trading joe flacco
to a.
Speaker 7 (39:24):
Division, RIVAL well i Understand what, tomlin's saying And also
tomlin would prefer To Play jake Browning On thursday night
And Not, Joe flacco so in a, roundabout way it
did Screw the steelers for this deal to. Go down
but if You're the browns and you've Decided The joe
flacco experience has taken us as far as we want,
it to and we're going to turn this Over To
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dylan gabriel and if that, doesn't Work Shod, or Sanders
If joe flacco is just there to be a veteran,
presence today which they already Have In, deshan watson even
though he's not on the, active roster he's involved and
he can help with, these guys and he's been very
engaged and he's working to try to, get healthy, and
hell he could be on the roster at some point
before the end of. The season but once you decide,
(40:07):
you're done, number one you're unloading, a salary not that it's,
that much but you got draft. Pick value you pick
up an upgrade from brown six to, round five and
the Way the bengals are going is probably going to
be a high round. Five pick, so yeah it. Makes
sense And the browns are a team that is driven
by the, new miracle by, the objective by. The analytics
(40:29):
they're not going, to, think oh we shouldn't trade a
guy in. The division they. Don't care they got to
Play the. Bengals again they. Don't care they. Don't care
they care about, the future and that's been their vibe
for the last, ten years stockpiling, draft picks pushing cap
space from one year to, the next all in the
promise of a future that they continue to find a
way to screw up and bring us back to what
we were talking. About earlier it all flows from the top.
(40:51):
With ownership that's Why the browns kind of accidentally will
have a decent year from time, to time but not
nearly often enough for them to be viewed as a
contender time for?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Two More Does ben johnson Have these bears set to
hit on? All?
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Cylinders?
Speaker 7 (41:07):
Possibly, now look they've won two games they easily could
have lost by the identical score of twenty five to.
Twenty four took a block field goal to Beat, the
raiders and it took, a fumble and it was some.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
LUCK involved.
Speaker 7 (41:22):
I see it's a talking point Out of Chicago Because
troy aikman attributed a touchdown, to luck and ultimately the
end of the game. Was luck it. Was Luck the
commanders was getting ready to put that game away when
the ball scortes Out Of jayden daniels hands and he's
trying to hand it Off to. Jeremy McNichol so there is,
some luck but there's also. Some skill, and execution and wins.
Build confidence and the key is with a new, coaching
(41:42):
staff wins get players to buy in to what the
coach is selling and that. Builds momentum so if you
look at, their schedule they got some winnable games. Coming
up they Come, TO minnesota i think week twelve ish,
For thereabouts but they got some games they can win
between now, and then so they're moving in the Right
direct and even in. Their losses now they got blown
(42:03):
out By, the lions but in that loss Of, the
vikings that's a win that got away. From them so
they're in a position to put, things together and you
know there's a chance that a team of a winning
record is going to end up in the basement OF The.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Nfc, north lastly and speaking, Of winning Softy from seattle joins.
The show Later the seattle sports scene is On fire
man With the mariners And. The hawks how good do
you Think these? Seahawks, ARE.
Speaker 7 (42:31):
Well i think they're. Pretty Good And sam darnold's playing. Pretty,
well now, you know we all still remember what happened in.
Week eighteen mentioned, That Earlier But jackson Smith and jigba
has become one of the best receivers IN. The nfl
they've got, some flaws but they. Keep winning one of
the big flaws is they can't win. At home the
team that retired number twelve for the fans because of
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that home, field advantage they had earthquakes registering On the
richter Scale in seattle during that playoff game when they
beat The Defendings super Bowl champion saints in. Twenty ten
the home field advantage is to put but they're unbeatable on.
The road either they need to play all their games on,
the road or they need to remember When the steelers
went To The super bowl in two thousand and five
(43:11):
and they'd won three, road games they decided to wear
white even though they were the. Home team Maybe the
seahawks just need to wear white. At home.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
The best, Thank, You mike call, You Soon Seapaul, Mike
Florio Pro football talk. Dot com how about how about
a little bird seed around the corner birds as In
The super Bowl Champion. Philadelphia eagles you know there's a
little squawking about private Meetings With saquon Barkley And jalen
HURTS And, aj BROWN And aj, BROWN says i don't
know what you're. Talking about and scribes, are, like Yeah
(43:40):
but Saquon and jalen just said that you were in,
This MEETING so i mean it's starting to get a
little goofy within The Bird. Seed covenant but is That
it There's No, brandon graham captain of the team to
jump up and squelch and or crush whatever's happening behind.
The scenes perhaps that's because there is more that meets
(44:04):
the metaphorical eye when it comes to the champs on
a two game Bender bird seed analyzing all, of that
It's Paul Allen, mad producer by my side, and it's
a Wednesday, which means Parker Fox joins nine to noon
out of the gate hold the power trip go for
you today.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And good morning and good morning to you.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
It was.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
It was a beautiful show. Not the most beautiful day outside.
We're getting into that fall weather a little bit. But
we had fun. We actually did a little in NFL
history trivia. We went four and seven, so not a
great record. So remember there, Who invented the shotgun?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Was one of the questions, who invented the shotgun formation?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Shotgun formation? Oh, geez, Bear Bryant, do you know what Nordle?
Do you know what?
Speaker 5 (00:35):
I answer?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I have no idea.
Speaker 6 (00:36):
Okay, I could remember that I was trying to google
it here and then pretend that.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Oh, I'll get it, you'll get it. What else?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Which team went twenty winning seasons? Which team has won
three championships in three different cities?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Twenty winning season? Steelers?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
I think, yes, answer, well that's what we guessed, Yeah, Steelers,
And I think the answer was Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Mother Yeah. What else?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Three cities winning three AFC or NFC championships in three
different cities, that was.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
That was a tough one. Oh geez, well, basically, I mean,
what is it? It's basically it's rams or colts.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
I think the answer.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
I would have gotten met right, Hey, is it Red
Hickey going backwards? By the way, Red Hickey? Red Hickey,
did he invent the shotgun formation?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Ricky?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
It was the team that invented the shotgun Niners? Yes,
it was the Niners. Hickey is the gentleman in particular.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I wonder, I wonder what led to the concept, because
if you look back at football, there was a time
the goal post, uh didn't have just once posts and
it was in the middle of the end zone or
towards the back, so they would use it for picks
and people would get hurt. You would look back at
(01:56):
it and you'd be like, all right, well, when they
invented the thing, who decided to put this potentially lethal
contraption in the middle of the place everybody's trying to score.
It's akin to hockey when it was invented, who decided
the one facing the one hundred mile per hour shots
(02:17):
the goaltender uh huh doesn't wear a mask.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Yeah, it doesn't make much sense.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
How did they come to that conclusion out of the gate.
It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
So apparently, and this is via AI, which is horribly
off sometimes when it comes to sports stuff. Hickey devised
the formation to give his QB. Of course, why a
tittle more time to see over the D line and
pass because of the Colts and their strong pass rush
in a November nineteen sixty game, and a formation was born.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Okay, who invented the pistol formation?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Horrible?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
And why is the pistol formation even a thing? I
just it's one thing that I just never really understand.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Why is it named that?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Well?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
No, it's like, why do you do it?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I mean the quarterbacks in a short shot short shotgun
tailback closer to or or backfield employee closer to quarterback
than if quarterback was under center.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I think I've asked Kevin O'Connell this too, and I'm
sure he answered it, But I I just don't know
what benefits you get out of the pistol formation.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yeah, I if KOC had an answer, I would probably
agree with his answer.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Then go into mind.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
So christ Chris Alt was a Nevada coach in two
thousand and four, popularizing it for mister Kaepernick. Really, that's
that's again Ai subject to the pistol.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
With the pistol, Wow, and it worked.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I mean Colin, you know Colin. For all the controversy
with Colin, Colin was he was a air country quarterback
back in the day, don't you think?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Oh? He certainly was. He was to a Super Bowl.
He was fun to watch. Embarrass anybody who embar is.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
The Green Bay Packers at Lambeau got no problems with them.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I think that was a historical game for quarterback rushing yards.
I believe it was something like that. Well, yours truly
happens to be in quite the good mood today. Here's
why I no, everybody's excited for me, because I rolled
into work thinking mad producer, the producer of nine to
Noon was going to be super sour. You see yesterday
(04:24):
in our league freak long winding draft he got sniped on,
Amen Thompson, Josh Giddy, Miles Turner, and nikol Vucevich. The
hope as I walked into the building this morning was
that the producer was not moody in pear shape. So
I walked into the side studio and we made eye contact,
(04:45):
and then we shook hands as we are wont to
do to start every single day. It's either that or
a hug. I said, all right, and he dropped a
couple of explicitives and he.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Said, actually, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Now, I'm gonna try to outscore everybody with all these
guards and you know who needs amen?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Thomas like that.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Well, I think again, I think it's a compliment because
people are taking the players that I'm identifying, and that
just speaks to how formidable knowledge and I will thinking
about it. Oh, I'm going I'm going high flying this year.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Man.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
It's triples, it's points of the renthrow percentage. I got
guys that can defend. I got five cats, six cat
guys across the board. I'm feeling CON's feeling good about himself.
That's great because I thought you were going to be sour.
I need Vusovich.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Glad you're not predictable.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Wild loss last night, Bonus, back to back with a
travel against a team they rarely beat.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Good morning, Yeah, the wild I thought about the middle
of the second period.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
There they look slow.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Man.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I know it's the beginning of the season. I know
you're on the road. You got a little road trip here,
but there just wasn't the intensity. I talked to Mark
Parrish about it on the Power Trip a little bit,
just kind of his His thoughts of it was, it's
early in the season, guys aren't trying to have these
crazy bumps and bruises. Yet there wasn't as much intensity.
It's a road game, the whole deal. And as you know, Pa,
from the history of the wild Stars kind of matchups,
(06:02):
they've had our number. So that's a tough one. But
I think you bounce back and you go to the
Nation's Capitol next for your next game. But that the
one thing the Wild's got going is is their their
power play.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
That thing is efficient right now.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Mick talking about eleven twenty nine to now, well, they
they had pep in the step, and they had some
bigger behind the effort, and they had the the early
season intensity. When they cut that thing to one, would
like six and a half minutes to go, Parker got excited,
fired up.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Man, No, it's it's a fun time right now.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I was actually one other thing I got to do
yesterday it was really exciting. Was God who Capitol Club
and listened to Tim Conley speak. I know we were
talking wild but jeez. If you know me, I'm a
huge Timberwolves nut. And and to listen to Tim Conley,
kind of our leader and a really kind of forward thinker,
especially with the way he's really introduced some of these
foreign guys. You know, he obviously draft Nicol Jokic. He's
(06:56):
really high on Baron Jay, says that Baron Jay could
be the best.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Defensive player in the league one day.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
So so it's just some really cool stuff listening to
Tom Tim Connley speak.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
When is that day? Yeah? Round flyer here, hang on,
I'm in a draft right now, Parker. I need to know.
I don't know about this year. Have the brakes on
it this year?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
And I know there's a whole lot of minutes with
Rudy Gobert, Naseried and Julius Randall kind of holding down
the front court. But the future is in good hands.
Hopefully we see some you know, flashes from Rob Dillingham
this year, and then you move forward with a guy
like Baron Jay, I think only seventeen, eighteen, nineteen years old.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
There's got to be one of the three. Yeah, one
of those three.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
But he's twenty in just to cover them all death
till twenty to cover. But he's he's young, he's long,
he's athletic, and he's he was in like a second
league in Latvia and just kind of has just sparked.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
So I'm really.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Looking forward to what he could be.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Good night, because the con Artist, yeah, is so well
respected in elite freak Yeah, and in a short amount
of time there. I'm not gonna say the name. You
guys can figure this out if you are so inclined,
which you probably won't be. And I'm not even going
to say exactly the day. I'm just going to say,
(08:09):
within the last two days watching NBA League Pass, yeah,
I caught a nineteen soon to be twenty year old
player off the bench from somebody I'd never heard of him.
The guy balls, really and he's going to play twenty
three plus minutes this year for set Squad. Oh, come on,
and he's a baller and I'd never heard of him. Hey,
Western Conference or Eastern Conference. I'm not like you just
(08:33):
said that. You know, the con Artist is so well respected.
Everybody's Ellis Cat in Chicago. Nope, everybody's everybody's sniping his players.
I woke up this morning thinking about the cons basketball
team so.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
You got to do a little work with this.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
Con No, I'm going to spend the next hour. It
was good talking with you, Pa. Let my Tory Horton
pick a little bit too. I can I ask you
a dumb question. So, whether it's Baron Jay or it's
off the top of my head Zikorski, Yeah, the other cat.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So how do you develop them in the near time?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Well?
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Yeah, the one really nice thing about when that's just Dieowa,
then right like that they're chilling down there exactly. That's
the one thing the NBA has has done a really
good job. And the nice thing about the Wolves is
it's right there right Des Moines is just just down
the road, as we say, up here in the Midwest.
But that's obviously something that that you look at in
terms of these young guys, putting them in Iowa, letting
them kind of rock out in terms I would say,
(09:27):
which means go down there and have success. Yeah, you know,
basketball is such a confident sport, Like when you're shooting jumpers.
I think Rocco is a guy specifically where they want
him to stretch the floor, they want him to shoot
the three. If you're doing that, if you're hesitating you're
not the type of player you need to be, So
being able to go down there and shoot them freely,
get them up at free will is important. But then
Bearing Jay is a guy that I see sticking up
(09:48):
here in Minnesota a little bit more. Obviously, injuries happen,
depth happens. It's eighty two games. But he's very Rudy
Gobert esque. He's obviously, you know, from Europe, just like
Rudy is. But I think there's a lot he can
learn from Rudy in terms of defensively rebounding, affecting shots
and maybe not even blocking shots, of being there to
affect them. I think Baron Jay's a guy that we
see in the Timbrels roster, even if he doesn't play
(10:10):
a lot of minutes, kind of hanging up here with
Rudy Gobert is. There's a physical aspect of this, I
assume as well. Where I mean Baron Jay, you know
what is he six', ten six,' eleven somewhere in. That
neighborhood maybe, HE'S seven i, don't know but at eighteen,
years old when we're talking about, his age there's an
act like a year, from now he could have fifteen
extra pounds, of muscle like learning how to even just
(10:33):
take the hits inside and be a physical presence at,
that age like he may not even be done growing
and so getting the physical aspects of the game.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Down.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Too, well Yeah and tim kindy talked about that yesterday
right where it's like you haven't played at this wasn't
there you were at, The, camp yeah. That's sure he
talked about this where you haven't played AT this, nba,
level right this is the highest level. In sports he,
was IN like, i said like the second League, in
latvia and, it was, you know not the, greatest basketball
but he was able to show. Limpses there And Then
tim connley said they worked him out in a local
(11:03):
gym about a week before the draft and they were
just blown away by, how athletic how explosive. He is
and those are all. Great THINGS but i think, You're,
right nordal what's the next step. In, that well we
got paid. In advance yeah, that's, True, right yeah. No
doubt but it's, gaining weight it's, gaining strength it's being
in the, weight room it's all those. Good things but
then there's also that just there's some of that strength
that just comes, with experience and you know when you're
(11:24):
going to take, the bug you know when you're going,
to cut you know when you're going to euro, a
step you know when you're going to make the. Extra
PASS so i think experience will be big for the
young eighteen year old.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Sweet well As the wolves.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
BENT goes i happened to do a radio interview yesterday
In the sacramento market with a long Time Former sacramento
kings play by, Play Guy. Grand napier we've been friends
for multiple decades and he asked me About, the timberwolves
and as we were talking it out a, little BIT
all i kept coming back to, was, like quote, quality
(11:55):
squad no doubt. About it WHAT? About, okc yeah WHAT?
About okce it just seems they're so far ahead of.
The CROWD am? I?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Wrong no.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
They are they, really are and they showed it yes.
Last year it was Something Where tim conny also spoke on, that,
is yeah you've gotten, there, Twice right you've Gotten This Western,
conference FINALS but i think both of them are four,
To one so it's like, you're close but you're really not.
That close there's there's levels, to this as we discussed
across all professional Leagues And oklahoma city's there at the peak.
(12:26):
Right now, they got, you know that that three headed
Monster In, jalen Williams chet Holmgrim and Shagu just alexander
and to bring that down you got to be. Really
good you got to be either shooting the ball at
a really high rate or something's got to be. Going
right but it's it looks like they're going to be
the cream of the crop again this year.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
WITH the nba beginning next week the.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Regular season the common thread through this part of the
preseason has, been injuries where just the last couple, of
days pretty significant Injuries To kobe white For the Bulls
And jalen brown For.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
The celtics he's not listening.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Three Too because i'm trying to determine whether you're Talking
About donovan klingen or Kal el Ware for miami in
terms of the guy that's gonna get extra minutes and.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
He's balling where's a?
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Stud man?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Any Anything joser thompson is who? It is anything different
you'd like to See With anthony edwards?
Speaker 4 (13:21):
This, SEASON yeah i just want to see his decision
making continue. To improve we all talk about. HIS finishing
i think that's Evident, to aunt he needs to be
a better finisher around. The rim his left hand needs
to be better around, the rim and then sometimes just
go up and dunk, that, Thing man like go finish.
The play you're, Athletic enough you're already. Up THERE so
i think THAT'S where i start with one finishing around,
(13:42):
the rim, and THEN like, i, mentioned playmaking he's gonna get,
Double teams defenses are going to shrink in.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Around.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Him there there's opportunities for him to be primary ball
handler a little bit, this year depending on what Happens
With rob Dillingham And mike Conley and dante divinceinzo situation.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
At the point Guard and julius Rand And, Julius, randall yes,
that point, THAT point i.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Like, THAT yeah I Think tim connley really does like that.
As WELL but i Do see ant with the ball
in his hands. Starting offense that means the defense. Shrinks
in where are?
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Your?
Speaker 4 (14:08):
SHOOTERS right i think that's something that we're not as
good as. This year We're Missing Nakil. Alexander Walker Terrence.
Shannon jr is going to kind of take over, that
role probably not as good of, a shooter yet, better
athlete but where's your? Decision making, you know are you
dumping it Off? To rudy are you spring it to
the corner to the? Nas reed can you improve in?
THAT aspect i think those are the one and two
(14:28):
Punch For.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
ANTHONY edwards i have a common thread In my twitter
feed in the case for about. A week just cracked
open the tweet machine for nine to, noon today. Hit
notifications FIRST tweet i look at From A. Peter fazino.
Frozemer time. FROZEMER time, I mean i don't know about,
(14:50):
you guys But like frozemer time And This minnesota vikings,
quarterback situations beating your boy down a. Little bit and,
here's why because it's ALWAYS ja. J season IT'S always
jj season and WILL be jj season for yours truly
in us for hopefully quite. Some time has to, Be,
amen yeah it has to, be Okay If carson wentz,
(15:12):
is healthy he gives them a better chance right now
to Beat The. Philadelphia eagles, He, Does, yes Amen at
brosemer is talented. And, SMART now i don't necessarily think
it's going to get To the, brosmer situation but it's
LIKE before i left on the vocal, maintenance days then
through O'Connell yesterday Texting, with nordo getting a Question, from
(15:33):
nordo who's apoplectic in the side studio at eight forty two,
this morning and saying it has To, be wentz. Doesn't,
it yeah it's just it's. Just yeah BUT when, i
left you, were like it has to. Be McCarthy it's
it's this. Whole thing let's just get to The game.
Sunday noon, You know.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
TAYLOR and i will be, there too super. Fire, sweet
yeah it's it's it's gonna be a. Fun ONE but
i think, You're. Right pa as Long As carson wentz
is non, throwing shoulder is healthy enough to go out there,
and play he's the guy you got.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
To play and that's not.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
An indictment it's on, the past the two game no
two game pass performances Of The, michigan kid or Casting,
the Gays the Way of ages.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Twenty two, twenty three, twenty four twenty five and.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
So on what does he go nine for nine and
that last drive to win the?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Football game and you see that as a as a,
head coach and you're not going to play him Against
an eagles team that's lost too straight to The what Broncos.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
AND giants i.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Think O'Connell if they're both healthy and healthy enough.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
To, play yeah and He Uses.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Carson wentz and this is with all due respect to
somebody Of whom i'm, very fond head coach Of The. Minnesota,
vikings likewise for, his family if if that's, the case
then he has to make it, elevator music what he,
sees online what he hears on, the radio what he
hears SEES, on tv what he reads. In print it
has to go in one ear and out, the other
because there will be those in the functioning clickoholic society
(16:59):
who are going to be casting up or going to
be taking the leap that they don't like, the kid,
You know they just they're they're they're already bored with.
The KID and I think I think kevin takes that. Stuff,
Personally YEAH and I.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Think JJ's got, a good, you know head on his
shoulders when it comes to. That stuff there's a reason
why you win a, national championship you KNOW what, I
mean there's a reason why you get to.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Those levels you have to be pretty.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Mentally tough people, are Saying maybe la against his former,
head coach you know all these, different rumors but if
you ask me, COMPLETELY candid, i say you.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Rock With carson wentz until you can't rock with him.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
No MORE why i.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Just feel like he's.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
THE guy i gotta start with the kids sooner. Or,
later yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Do, You DO but i think he's the guy.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
RIGHT now i Think this vikings team has enough pieces
to go to a special place that you have to
rock with the person that's making. It, work now if that's,
you know YOU'RE throwing jj in for a possession leader
and you're and you're tickling in it a little bit seeeing,
What happens i'd love.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
That aspect but seeing, The, fancy yeah see this talker
beat some brothers, mind down, BECAUSE yes i agree with what,
you're saying but they drafted and raised right the kid
who may have two good ankles.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
For from all for this.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
For, now WELL but i also look at Like A
jordan love situation where you sat for. THREE years i
look at some of these other situations where you had
to kind of pay, your dues you got to, you know,
study DEFENSES and I think jaye's already really good at.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
That stuff but also that there's the.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Ankle injury so if you're not fully healthy and you
throw a young guy out there who's not able to
perform at the best of, his ability that's deteriorating some, mental,
health confidence all that kind.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Of stuff so but if said kid knows his ankle
is healthy enough, to play and you make the decision
to use the, other, guy yeah that here's the heart
and the confidence. More problem, yeah, yeah right that's where
you got to be really tough. As, well okay, three
too and.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
All all Love To.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
CARSON wentz i don't think he has provided, this material
uh standard of greatness over. His time he's done the,
right things and what's up against him here is he's
new to the mix and you need you need a
runway and all of. Those Things but i'm, very appreciative and,
in particular you guys mentioned it nine to nine on
the game. Winning drive. Loved it but but to, that
(19:09):
end that's the key. For me if, he's healthy. He
plays but the subjective nature of it is that he's
got to. Be healthy and from the, coaches standpoint he's
been not definitive in, many ways but he's been pretty
CLEAR on i need my cat playing full weeks. OF practice.
I need i need that full normal. Lead up he's
only practiced once since what Since the? Chicago, game yep.
(19:29):
That's crazy so he needs, full weeks which means he needs,
full health Which means i'm. All IN it's jj season.
For me but, it's uh, you know it's it's It's
A carson uh for now is really what?
Speaker 5 (19:42):
It is?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
All right, and closing what's what's this waggle thing you
REPOSTED on X Featuring you're Soon To?
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Be, white yeah it's a it's a.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Golf brand they've partnered With with taylor for a couple of,
years NOW and i brought a golf brand on the
ice on the ice that they're coming out with the
hockey Collection And brock Faber And dallas Stars Goalie jake
ottinger are also part of.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
The brand, pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Unique video you can go see IT on I, like
jax but it just kind of shows the personality and
super cool for them to To, include TAYLOR these nhl
stars making all, this brand making all, this money doing.
Their thing oh you know they got? Their bag is
that what the? Kids say that's what? You, say yeah,
it's true getting, Your bag get? Your Bag, no cooper
super cool it's a it's a, golf brand but they're
(20:28):
doing some hockey. Stuff too they're killing it In the
metro and it's fun. To see you've probably seen the.
Hats around all these young kids are Wearing the waggle
hats with the big print in the Front says waggle on.
The side it's kind of the New? Uh aura is
that a word you Use? In PAM when i See
you monday at, ELEVEN am i.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Can't wait Will The minnesota vikings be three and three
or four?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
And two they will be four. AND two.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
I think i just think that there's a lot of
confidence coming off of the. Bye week hopefully you probably
know better when this injury report. Comes Out But blake
cashman should be wearing the. GREEN dot i think he
really helps. Your DEFENSE and i think this team In The,
philadelphia eagles is searching a. Little bit they're trying to
(21:09):
figure out. THEIR identity i believe their identity is giving
the ball to number Twenty Six. Saquon barkley he's the
Person that i'm most, YOU know i think it's most
dangerous On this. Eagles team so if you can stop,
the run you can Beat. The eagles well at.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Ten am we have A segment nordo is going to
lead Called bird seed and it's the anatomy of a
two game losing streak for the champions and we dissect
what coming. Into it we, were, like, okay cool let's figure.
This out but after he puts some, things together they
may have some mounting.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Problems here issues. They do they may have.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Some mounting issues here that they may not be able to,
get around like. Last year that's. Ten o'clock appreciate, Your
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Here cleveland Brown Owner jimmy haslam will Fire Coach kevin
(23:04):
stefanski before. Season's end hyperbolic or. Hyper accurate the team
is one in five and averages thirteen point six points.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Per game what do? YOU think, I actually i think
that they. Give him i'm going to say.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
IT'S hyperbolic i think that they are going to part
ways after the season and it's, and frankly in, THE
end I think stefanski should have his pick of the
litter of the next head. Coaching opening and but but
that that can't continue.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
TO persist i don't know where your head's at.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
ON it i don't. SEE him i think out. Of
respect Two time coach Of the year gets to finish.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It hyperbolic. It's not it's not a situation.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Where we just can't Have A kevin stefanski of all
people in the. BUILDING anymore i think he finishes the
year you put.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
That move stefanski and General Manager andrew berry received ballyhooed
contract extensions into, last year so you know THAT'S without
i don't think they were. Free agents so maybe they
put a two on top of, a one maybe a
three on top of. A one stefanski Two time coach Of.
(24:13):
The year, and Strangely As mike tomlin, pointed out and
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Speaker 2 (24:17):
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Speaker 7 (24:19):
Him?
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Yesterday here what The the tomlin audio, Where Well andrew
berry must just be smarter.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Than, EVERYBODY yeah i didn't. HEAR it i. Read it it.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Was terrific he was, Like paraphrasing he, Was, like brah
did you really just trade a quarterback who knows where bones?
Are buried granted, he's forty but knows where bones are
buried to a. Division rival it was, Just CRAZY and
I guess i never really looked at it, that way
but talking.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
To, Me.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Tom andrew berry must be a lot smarter than me,
or us because it doesn't make sense, to me damn
to trade a quarterback that you think enough of to
make your opening day starter to a.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Division opponent it's hurting the.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
That, area well that's going to make for. Some comfortability
In the starbucks line AT. The jw Marriott in indianapolis
for the, scouting combine who Was It jordan schultz and
Was it Ian RAPPAPORT port i think, It, WAS yes.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I got into it In that.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
STARBUCKS line i will see if there's an encore we
agree with. A hyperbolic now a schedule will be required
to go through the, next one so we'll hold off
on that hyperbolic or hyper ACCURATE.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
With.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Jj McCarthy eventually a quarterback and the Wounded returning minnesota
WINS The nfc north hyperbolic or? Hyper accurate why do you.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Put me in? This, spot well you can put them
together and put me in.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
THE spot i think it's hyperbolic at this moment because
even with the WOUNDED returning i would still say through,
two games we don't know what we HAVE. IN jj
i LOVE The nfc player Of the week with the
three consecutive scoring Drives At, soldier field not particularly excited
about taking all those sacks and the issues that persisted
in the In the. Falcons, GAME oh I just i
think it's hyperbolic at, this point but we do need.
(26:13):
To play that's kind of the tough the tough Spot that,
ko's in, all.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Right something i'll wish to chew. For later or maybe
the feast hyperbolic? Or hyperaccurate The The New york jets
hell will be the NFL's first oh to. Seventeen team we. Hyper,
accurate well we'll hit That with florio and Bring in MIKE.
(26:38):
Pft a you Know We Pro football talk dot com
each And, every wednesday nine, to noon and.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
It's Next, hey paul how are you?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Pretty Good, Mike Florio Pro football Talk, dot Com NBC's
football Night. In america author of books that Do include
Father of Mine And The Newest. Big shield learn More
at profootballtalk dot com and at profootballtalk. Dot com, right
now you must have just posted THIS because i looked
at the website twenty.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Minutes ago it.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Wasn't there Tua Tonguea iiloa's wednesday press conference will, be
interesting to say. The least what does that mean in. Good,
morning well, you.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
Know he made some Waves on sunday after their last
second loss To, the chargers where they had erased the
twenty six to, thirteen deficit, came back took, The, lead
charger drove down the field to get. The win he
called out unnamed teammates for not doing little things like
being late or as he, initially said not showing up
for player. Only meetings that created a lot. Of questions
(27:35):
mike McDaniel addressed It on sunday and, downplayed it but Then, by,
monday McDaniel who apparently hadn't Heard what tua had said
before he commented after. The game he Said that tua
shouldn't have. Done that that's not the place to, do
that to call your teammates out like. That publicly it
sparked media questions for four other players who met with Reporters.
(27:57):
On monday most of them said basically the same thing with.
Different words we keep. Things internal so today is the
Day that tua and others will meet. With reporters quarterbacks
who Play on sunday typically have their midweek press Conference,
on wednesday and it's going to be a. Topic again
and that's the problem with taking something like That public it,
(28:18):
Raises questions it invites. Follow up what have you done?
Since then have you apologized to? Your teammates who are
the teammates you were? Referring to have things gotten? Any
better why did you? Do it YadA, YadA so and
when you look at, the transcript. It's comical each of
the five people who are Available, on monday right out of,
the gates boom boom boom, boom boom questions about what
to a seid because it's so unusual to have a
(28:41):
quarterback put players on blast. THAT way i remember twenty
years ago it was a big Deal When peyton manning
after a playoff loss To the, Steelers said i'm trying
to be a good. Teammate here let's just say we
had some issues with, pass protection and that was a.
Big deal this takes it to another level and creates
issues for a team that's currently dysfunctional at one, in
five and it's not going to make things.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Any Better, peyton Manning when Mike vander jack was on
the team on the team called him the, idiot kicker liquor.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Up, kicker, yeah YEAH that's i think.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
He said idiot kicker got. Liquored UP but i don't
know that he got. Liquered up but that was Because
vander jack right in, an interview made comments about whether
in to what extent the cults are in position to
contend for, a, championship, YadA YadA, And yeah peyton didn't.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Like, that well how do you read?
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Into This because mike's right quarterbacks generally do Speak, On
wednesdays so you'll Have a kevin O'Connell press conference, today
here then after that It'll Be carson WENTZ and.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Jj McCarthy how do you read?
Speaker 7 (29:42):
Into that they're, both speaking both, speaking today, podium today.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Podium, today, well.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
Hey they got a decision to make as McCarthy, gets
Healthier as wentz plays, well Enough and i've been meaning
to go back and do a deep dive of the
targets and the catches and The production i'm assuming. Per
Game justin jefferson's getting More From carson wentz than he
GOT from. JJ McCarthy i just wonder what the preferences
(30:11):
are in the. Locker room it's one thing to have
the coach try to manage the situation and play The
Old denny green one card from nineteen, ninety Eight When
brad johnson broke His leg week two Against. The Rams
randall cunningham. Comes in i'm looking At The sports illustrated
cover born again after that epic game Against the Cowboys
(30:32):
Where randy moss had the all time? Stat line what
was it three one, fifty three? Three touchdowns maybe one
fifty Six That brad johnson will play when he's a
hundred percent and he was never a Hundred percent and
eventually they stop asking. The QUESTION so i feel like
there's going to be a temptation to let this ride
a little bit More With, carson wentz especially going against
one of his, former Teams, the eagles and now he's got
(30:53):
a bunch of, former teams but that's the team he first.
Played for you're tempted to see what he can do
with two more weeks to. Get ready And If justin
jefferson and others are making it known directly or indirectly
that they kind of like to let, this ride it's gonna,
BE tempting i think for the coaching staff To let
wentz give it, a try and Then if, wentz, STRUGGLES
(31:14):
okay jj game, day backup ready to go if something. Goes,
WRONG now i haven't seen an, injury report and there
hasn't been one since the. Last game carson got popped,
pretty GOOD and i know there's been a lingering issue about,
his health but it sounds like maybe they're gonna have.
Both available they're gonna have a decision to Make on
sunday or at some Point before sunday as to who
(31:35):
the number one quarterback is going.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
To be wentz, left shoulder and he incurred that In
The tottenham, hotspur game and he.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
Admitted to me afterwards it was stupid that. He can't
he can't. Do that you got three yards to go
to the, first down you got two guys bearing down.
On you you're usually asking for trouble if you run into.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
That collision with the.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Bad, shoulder now granted it's the. Left shoulder he throws
with his right arm nine, for nine Including putting addison
on the final three catches in the. Game winner, bad
shoulder he goes nine. For nine so there's that now.
With McCarthy first two games before, the Ankle No, jordan
Addison No, christian Darisol and wentz Has had darisaw Mostly
(32:19):
And Addison Andrew van ginkel one of the two most
important people to. This defense in, My estimation wentz has
not had games, with him so Therefore the vikings have
got gouge in the running game a little bit where
McCarthy had some games with Him And, blake CASHMAN and
I think cashman returns. This week it's it's it's not,
a schism it's not, a chasm but it's, very confusing don't.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
You, Think well and.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
It's a microcosm of the off season deliberations that created
a lot. OF confusion i know that folks involved in
the two Camps Of sam DARNOLD and jj McCarthy weren't
sure What the vikings were going to do about who
their quarterback would be for. Twenty five there was confusion
as to who was even making. The decision do we
(33:05):
continue to let it ride with. What's working do we
take a step forward ideally and not a step backward
with a young franchise quarterback potentially and let him get,
his reps let the game slow down. For him the
more he, plays now ideally and, in theory the better
he's going to. Be later so that's. The challenge how
far do you want to push the guy who's got,
(33:27):
THE experience, I Mean carson wentz has nearly ONE hundred
nfl starts now under. His belt how far do you
push that in the name of, winning now while it
also is going to impair and delay the DEVELOPMENT of.
Jj McCarthy that's. The balance and at the end of,
The day i'm going to refer to one of the
(33:49):
best overall, quarterback coaches, play designers play callers that the
game currently Has in. Kevin O'Connell he'll he'll know what,
to do he'll know the right way to, go here
and he'll know how to manage. This SITUATION so jj
McCarthy doesn't get upset and understands this is. About winning,
And Also carson wentz has a long history. Of injuries
it's not like, YOU know I would, I mean i
(34:10):
would not wager anything of value on the Idea That
carson wentz would stay healthy for the next twelve games
and not put himself in a POSITION where jj McCarthy's
going to have to Play because wentz.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
IS out i got some speculation, for you speculation in
that it's created by ME and i just thought. ABOUT
it i Believe If daniel jones had been convinced he
would be given a fair chance to win the starting
job here that he would not be a member Of The.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Indianapolis colts what do you think?
Speaker 4 (34:43):
OF that i think.
Speaker 7 (34:43):
THAT'S fair i think. That's fair but see the problem
is when when you're competing with a guy who has yet,
to play there's a lot of organizational pressure given the
fact that you've traded up from number eleven to number
ten to at. This guy and we've seen the other
guys who were taken in that, same range six quarterbacks,
(35:04):
in all all of them have. Been playing most, of
them if not all, of them have looked. Pretty Good
caleb williams, Is Improving jayden daniels has, Been Great bone
nicks has a team that is forcing its way into
The super. Bowl Window Michael pennix junior is, Looking good
drake may is. Looking good there's a point where, you're,
like hey we got to see what we. Have here
we got to find out what. We have so that was,
the TENSION and I think, JONES personally i think Somebody
(35:27):
pulled jones aside, and, said look you're gonna have more
than a fair chance to Beat Out, anthony richardson And
the colts had seen Enough of RICHARDSON where I think
jones could take that leap. OF faith i just think
it's in a more awkward Situation in minnesota because you've got.
This guy it's almost like What the, giants Had Where
(35:49):
russell wilson was in a tougher spot to Succeed With
jackson dart there and that would have been. The CONCERN
so i think you may be. Onto something and, you
know they Really Liked daniel jones to the Point, WHERE
paul i don't know if we've talked, about this but
there was a little smoke out there that, you Know
when jones got bumped up to the active roster late,
(36:11):
last year they possibly had something in mind. With him
if the Chariot stayed Pumpkin For, sam donald we all
saw what Happened in detroit. Week eighteen if that had
lingered And the vikings had advanced past the, wildcard round
there's A Chance daniel jones would have started in the
division around If the viking somehow could have threaded that
very small Needle of donald not playing well And the
(36:32):
vikings somehow Beating the.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Rams well that this is anything but organizational turmoil For The. Minnesota,
vikings however speaking of organizational TURMOIL and i saw This
At Pro football Talk dot com.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
This morning, all right So.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
The titans fire Head Coach BRIAN callahan pft as A
piece i saw this morning indicating the recent Decision for
callahan to not call plays he had that taken from
him may have come From Owner Amy. ADAMS strunk, i mean,
if true what do you think about?
Speaker 7 (37:03):
All, that well HERE'S what, i think and this is
the big picture. Of you bad teams. Stay bad dysfunctional
teams do. Dysfunctional things and for the teams that are,
chronically dysfunctional the dysfunction flows from the top of. The
organization whether It's the browns And Owner, jimmy Haslam the
jets And Owner. Woody johnson they don't accidentally. Stay bad
they're making bad decisions because the owner is making, bad
(37:26):
decisions whether it's who he hires or she or what
it is that he or she does to actually meddle
with the. FOOTBALL operations i think the key is you hire,
good people you let them do, their thing and you
just go be. A fan that's the right way to own,
a team but it's tempting for people who who own
the team and they have the right to. Do it
this is. The problem they have every right to. Do
(37:48):
it the problem for the fans is they have no
recourse when. It happens and look at the Dysfunction. In
tennessee the. Half measures this guy, gets fired then that guy,
gets fired then this guy. Gets fired and there's a
Perception That Amy adams strunk will have someone in the
organization that she regards as the person she's going to.
Listen to that person emerges with. The power it's like
(38:09):
a it's Like a Game of throne style experience where
guys are positioning themselves to be the next one who's
got the keys to. The kingdom so that's not good.
For anyone and the biggest problem for the fans is
there in a damn thing you can do. About it
there's no, recall vote there's no way to fire. An
Owner jed york said that when the forty nine ers
were mired in, you know one coach every, year Dysfunction
(38:29):
From jim Harbaugh to Jim tom Sulla To, chip kelly
he made, the comment you don't dismiss. The owner and that's,
the problem because what can. Fans do the only thing
fans can do is boycott. The product but it's hard
to deprive yourself of something. You love it's going to
take years and years where the fans become completely apathetic
and find something else to do On their Sundays and
Mondays and thursdays and whenever else they play for it
(38:52):
to register on the. Bottom line and, even then you
got to try to lose money because you're getting one
thirty second of all the. Shared revenue so that's. A
PROBLEM and i say this all. The time you have
to pass two tests to drive a car written. And
driven you have to pass zero tests to own and
OPERATE an. Nfl team you just need to show up
with a big enough bag, of money or your name
(39:12):
has to be in. The will.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
That's it florio, Ho f what did you Make of
Tomlin CHIDING Brown's gm andrew berry Por Trading joe flacco
to a.
Speaker 7 (39:24):
Division, RIVAL well i Understand what, tomlin's saying And also
tomlin would prefer To Play jake Browning On thursday night
And Not, Joe flacco so in a, roundabout way it
did Screw the steelers for this deal to. Go down
but if You're the browns and you've Decided The joe
flacco experience has taken us as far as we want,
it to and we're going to turn this Over To
(39:46):
dylan gabriel and if that, doesn't Work Shod, or Sanders
If joe flacco is just there to be a veteran,
presence today which they already Have In, deshan watson even
though he's not on the, active roster he's involved and
he can help with, these guys and he's been very
engaged and he's working to try to, get healthy, and
hell he could be on the roster at some point
before the end of. The season but once you decide,
(40:07):
you're done, number one you're unloading, a salary not that it's,
that much but you got draft. Pick value you pick
up an upgrade from brown six to, round five and
the Way the bengals are going is probably going to
be a high round. Five pick, so yeah it. Makes
sense And the browns are a team that is driven
by the, new miracle by, the objective by. The analytics
(40:29):
they're not going, to, think oh we shouldn't trade a
guy in. The division they. Don't care they got to
Play the. Bengals again they. Don't care they. Don't care
they care about, the future and that's been their vibe
for the last, ten years stockpiling, draft picks pushing cap
space from one year to, the next all in the
promise of a future that they continue to find a
way to screw up and bring us back to what
we were talking. About earlier it all flows from the top.
(40:51):
With ownership that's Why the browns kind of accidentally will
have a decent year from time, to time but not
nearly often enough for them to be viewed as a
contender time for?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Two More Does ben johnson Have these bears set to
hit on? All?
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Cylinders?
Speaker 7 (41:07):
Possibly, now look they've won two games they easily could
have lost by the identical score of twenty five to.
Twenty four took a block field goal to Beat, the
raiders and it took, a fumble and it was some.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
LUCK involved.
Speaker 7 (41:22):
I see it's a talking point Out of Chicago Because
troy aikman attributed a touchdown, to luck and ultimately the
end of the game. Was luck it. Was Luck the
commanders was getting ready to put that game away when
the ball scortes Out Of jayden daniels hands and he's
trying to hand it Off to. Jeremy McNichol so there is,
some luck but there's also. Some skill, and execution and wins.
Build confidence and the key is with a new, coaching
(41:42):
staff wins get players to buy in to what the
coach is selling and that. Builds momentum so if you
look at, their schedule they got some winnable games. Coming
up they Come, TO minnesota i think week twelve ish,
For thereabouts but they got some games they can win
between now, and then so they're moving in the Right
direct and even in. Their losses now they got blown
(42:03):
out By, the lions but in that loss Of, the
vikings that's a win that got away. From them so
they're in a position to put, things together and you
know there's a chance that a team of a winning
record is going to end up in the basement OF The.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Nfc, north lastly and speaking, Of winning Softy from seattle joins.
The show Later the seattle sports scene is On fire
man With the mariners And. The hawks how good do
you Think these? Seahawks, ARE.
Speaker 7 (42:31):
Well i think they're. Pretty Good And sam darnold's playing. Pretty,
well now, you know we all still remember what happened in.
Week eighteen mentioned, That Earlier But jackson Smith and jigba
has become one of the best receivers IN. The nfl
they've got, some flaws but they. Keep winning one of
the big flaws is they can't win. At home the
team that retired number twelve for the fans because of
(42:51):
that home, field advantage they had earthquakes registering On the
richter Scale in seattle during that playoff game when they
beat The Defendings super Bowl champion saints in. Twenty ten
the home field advantage is to put but they're unbeatable on.
The road either they need to play all their games on,
the road or they need to remember When the steelers
went To The super bowl in two thousand and five
(43:11):
and they'd won three, road games they decided to wear
white even though they were the. Home team Maybe the
seahawks just need to wear white. At home.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
The best, Thank, You mike call, You Soon Seapaul, Mike
Florio Pro football talk. Dot com how about how about
a little bird seed around the corner birds as In
The super Bowl Champion. Philadelphia eagles you know there's a
little squawking about private Meetings With saquon Barkley And jalen
HURTS And, aj BROWN And aj, BROWN says i don't
know what you're. Talking about and scribes, are, like Yeah
(43:40):
but Saquon and jalen just said that you were in,
This MEETING so i mean it's starting to get a
little goofy within The Bird. Seed covenant but is That
it There's No, brandon graham captain of the team to
jump up and squelch and or crush whatever's happening behind.
The scenes perhaps that's because there is more that meets
(44:04):
the metaphorical eye when it comes to the champs on
a two game Bender bird seed analyzing all, of that
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