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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Morning.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
It's nine o'clock and I'm Paul Allen, your Minnesota Wild.
You know there are no l's in the name Winnipeg Jets,
but definitely one in the word wild.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hanson at the offensive boul line muscled at right wing wall.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Ryan Hartman takes a look for the while to the
left point Rossie in.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
The wheelhouse of favor a risk shot.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Hell about the same as looks this guy.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Damn the man, Dan the Man is on the fan
at eleven o'clock today.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
He's the box for these guys. Share it with five
of the play clock. Takes the ball back and looking
throwing into.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
This rotate Brown He's talk baby head fine he touchdown.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Detroit Lions come to Saint Brown. Twenty seven yards of
the Lions strike first.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Dan Miller played by play voice for the Detroit Lions,
the foes, the adversaries, the opponents for your Minnesota Vikings.
Sunday at noon, FM one one hundred point three kfam
and a quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings. It's JJ season
again and mad producers excited. First and ten from the
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twenty seven of the Bears, McCarthy out of the shotgun.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Let's have gone it picked up McCarthy looks the Jones Tuck.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Showtime and the Minnesota Vikings have taken on one point lead.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Tin Cheat tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Jan Hassen gets the feast Friday, and it's all good
in the hood this Wednesday. And good morning, Parker Fox,
as I stopped by the nine to noon Stable, Good
morning young man.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Good morning Yea. So here we go for you and Nordo.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
It's called hyperbolic or hyper accurate, and here they are.
The Kansas City Chiefs have emerged as Super Bowl favorites
at four and a half to one. The Kansas City
Chiefs Super all favorites to win it four and after
one and absolutely are the best team in the NFL. Parker,
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you're the guest go first.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
I mean Patrick Mahomes is playing at an unbelievable level
right now. I'm lucky to have him on my fantasy team, obviously,
and I think that's right. We've seen a couple early
good teams, but I really like this Chiefs team.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
So Parker Fox says, the Chiefs absolutely being the best
team in the NFL is a hyper accurate statement.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Hyper accurate. What about Matt Producer, They got the best
defense in the division.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
They got Rashi Rice back, They're figuring out how to
run it a little bit more. They are back. They
are after the weird start. They are the best team
in the NFL. They should be considered despite a tough
division and a tougher conference. Really, they are the best
team in the NFL right now. Hyperbolic or hyper accurate.
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Green Bay absolutely is the best in the NFC and
actually is a great bet to win the Super Bowl
at seven to one.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Hyperbolic, I like this Lions team. Hyperbolic, Mica or Hollick.
I like the Lions team. I really do. I think
they have so many weapons on the offensive side of
the football. They got a deep threat in Jamison Williams.
They have mister steady and mister consistent. And I'm on raw,
you had a great tight end in the porta Jared
Goffs playing at a high rate, Montgomery and Gibbs in
the backfield. Like, that's a great offense behind a really
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good offensive line as well. So give me the Lions there.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
You can't talk that way and take it seriously, is Sureger?
Speaker 4 (03:41):
The Green Bay Packers are the best team in the
NFC right now. The Green Bay Packers are absolutely the
best team in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
They got the.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
QB when the brights are when the lights are bright,
playing as well as any quarterback in the NFL. The
defense is absolutely shutting people down save for that cow
Boys game, hence the weird tie in the record, and
they're the team that has figured out how to truly
shut down that Kiddies offense. I'll be a week one
As of this particular moment, they are the best team
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in the NFC, and I would never do it because
I mean, I respect myself as a Vikings fan. Seven
to one, some people can probably place a wager seven
to one on that awful, ugly colored franchise, the Green
and Gold, that they are to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Why don't you put your pants back here?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I'm here as Parker, you identified the Motor City Kiddies
as the best in the NFC. Here's some what I
think is interesting minutia for you. This Lion's offense, the
fan has learned they do everything from all angles.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
That's about the only way to put it.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Ben Johnson or new offensive coordinator guy whose name is
eluding me, so I'll just call him Jim Bob Cooter
like they have this receiver Isaac Tesla, Yeah, rookie from Arkansas.
Third rounder John Morton, the New Age. John Morton has
three catches this year, two or for touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Why don't you put your pants back on slappy?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
There?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Left tackle Taylor Decker, tenth year Ohio State has two
receiving touchdowns in his career.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Why don't you put your pants back on slappy now?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Pinay Seoul their right tackle. How about this?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Piney Soul has played a has played seven. There have
been seventy five possible regular season games since he entered
the NFL five years ago.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
First round pick from Oregon, he's played seventy four.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
So like one of the best offensive linemen in the
NFL period.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
That's cool, all right, man?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So you have one reception in your career that's a
nine yard first down versus the Vikings in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
That's super special.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So but I mean you must get banged up a
little bit, right, I mean, like, like all all offensive
linemen get banged up every so often. He's played seventy
four of seventy five regular season games.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Yeah, I mean, even if he did get banged up,
you know, Dan Skipper sitting right there to come in
and play for him.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Dan not too bad either, huh, Dan Skipper, you say
they're extra offensive lineman. He has two receptions in his career.
He's an offensive lineman. Two receptions in his career, and
he scored a touchdown in twenty twenty four versus the
Buffalo Bills. In fact, old Ben Johnson, coach of the Bears,
as the kids would say, he was in his bag
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in twenty twenty four. You got the Dan Skipper touchdown.
You also that same year last year had a passing
touchdown from am and Ross Saint Brown to Jared Goff
in a game against Seattle.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Just clowning on people.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I mean, this game should be on Halloween and like
Jamiir Gibbs should wear some type of some type of
slasher costume. He has seven touchdowns this year. He has
nine touchdowns in his last four versus Minnesota. He scored
twenty touchdowns last year, sixteen rushing for receiving, and in
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the most typed and arguably the biggest regular season game
in the history of the NFL. That finale last year
went for one thirty nine and four touchdowns in the
big moment Man he is so so good, Hannah. They're
punter jack box. He's had zero punts blocked in three
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hundred and sixteen punts since he came into the.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
NFL, that includes the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So it's time for the Minnesota Vikings to block a
punt this weekend, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 5 (07:53):
I would say that. And you can't forget about the
Lions defense as well. Over the last five six games,
seven three to four sacks, So they're getting They're getting
to the quarterback the way the Vikings offensive line has looked,
that's going to find JJ in some difficult places.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I assume Aiden Hutchinson, Oh fantastic, there's four interceptions in
his career. Does he really four interceptions and he has
six sacks and four forced fumbles this year?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Doesn't he have a defensive touchdown or two as well?
I'm quite positive I doubt it. I don't think.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I don't believe he has any touchdowns. I think zero
touchdowns for Aiden Hutchinson, but that can be fact checked.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Yeah, zero touchdowns, but making plays all over the field.
Nine and a half sacks this first year, eleven and
a half his second year. I already have to six
this year. Hyperbolic or hyper accurate for P. Fox and E.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Nord's with games at Detroit and Baltimore, the Baltimore game
being here at Detroit Baltimore here after that, the Minnesota
Vikings absolutely are sitting on a four game losing streak.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Hyperbolic or hyper accurate? Boys, Nor do you want to
start with this one? Well, here's what I'll say. Is
JJ season. Well, first of all, it's JJ season and
that's what matters. Well, I mean, winning games matters, but
JJ season, indeed, I think that's hyperbolic at this stage.
When the Ravens, when the Ravens with Lamar Jackson come
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to town in a couple of weeks, they are going
to have They're going to have their swerve, They're going
to have their groove back, particularly with King Henry and
having Lamar back in there and what he can do.
We've seen the Vikings defense against mobile QBS ain't gonna
be pretty at times, There's no doubt about it. However,
that defense is atrocious VA and while they slowly get healthy,
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the one name that everyone has kind of forgotten about,
and part of it is because it's very difficult to pronounce.
I believe it's Mattabuque, him being gone one for the year.
We can try and get healthy in the secondary.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
We can do some things.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
They have Kyle Hamilton, we can talk about not drafting
him all day and distract ourselves with those sorts of things.
That defense has been absolutely awful all season long, and
it's not on pace to get better.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Pa. So this Kiddi's one is going to be difficult.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I still think even at this stage, down and out
underdogs that we are, I still think it's super hyperbolic
to just dagger us. We could we could lose both,
But I think it's a little hyperbolic to daggerous on
a losing streak like that, or is.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
It hyper accurate off two consecutive losses? And now they
go to ford Field nine point dogs, then they come
home for the Ravens. Depending on what happens in the
Lions game, they quite possibly could be underdogs at US
Bank Stadium the Peabox.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Yeah, I'm gonna take the high road and go hyperbolic.
Although I don't love this week. I think it's a
difficult one. On the road Ford Field, JJ's first game back.
Who knows what the defense is gonna throw out there.
But I do think we come back home. JJ gets
underneath his belt, he comes home to US Bank Stadium,
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and he gets us a win. Like like Noro said,
this has been a terrible Ravens defense looking at some
of their numbers, giving up forty one, forty one, thirty eight,
thirty seven, forty four.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I mean, if you.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
Can't score the football against them, it's going to be difficult. Yeah,
But if we can score the football against him, I
think Lamar is obviously going to march down the field
and score the ball. It's going to be a shootout.
But I get the Vikes by a field goal.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I mean, at this stage we can play the hyperbolic,
hyper accurate game. Is it hyperbolic or hyper accurate that
JJ will absolutely play the final ten games of the
season in totality?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
That's the thing. What, Well, now you're starting to get personal.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Why not even take the field for the next two games.
I can't sit here and go absolutely, they're going to
get there. The field is going to be waxed with
the Minnesota Vikings over the next couple of weeks, and
we're going to endure trials of the hilt for the
remainder of twenty twenty five. I just can't think it's
not in my DNA. We could be king Henry, bring
it on two weeks.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Uh, you and your fiance Taylor Heisi. Where will you
guys be watching the ford Field game or listening to
it on k F A M. Wearing your super special
matching number nine.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Ers. I'm gonna get out of this super special nine.
I got this one on this morning. A nine plus
eighteen equals six one. Yeah, you know you like that one?
Speaker 5 (12:27):
I probably, I probably will pull out the JJ jersey
and Uh, I think it's going to be a couch
game for me right in the living room.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Turn on the uh when you wear the game? Warn
brosmer that's maroon, have one. I gotta where's the nine?
That would be a good commo. Yeah, that would be
a good combo.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Now we gotta now, we gotta turn her out and
uh and get another jersey, another Vikings quarterback jersey. We
haven't really discussed yet. We don't have to go to that.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yet, but nonetheless we don't. We will.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
We will be watching from the couch on Sunday, listening
to to.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yours truly.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Hyperbolic or hype we're accurate, and we have time for
two more. JJ McCarthy will finish the season with more
interceptions than touchdowns. He currently has two touchdowns and three interceptions.
What you got, Pete Fox, Oh, that's hyperbolic. Come on,
he's gonna he's gonna find his footing. No pun intended
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there at the ankle, But I truly believe that this
offensive line is going to get healthier.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
They're going to be able to protect him a little better.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
KOs is going to recognize the struggles that the offensive
line has had. Maybe you bring in an extra tight end,
Maybe you utilize CJ. Ham a little bit more in
the past.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Saw and O'Neill return this game, Yes, and that helps
a lot.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
That's a night and day different when you have two
solid tackles, I think JJ. I don't know what it is,
but I think more touchdowns than interceptions. Book it.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
It's hyperbolic. Come on, now, it's not going to be
it's not going to be gaudy. You know, Aaron Rodgers
forty and seven is a ratio. That's that's that's not
the case. There's gonna be mistakes, there's going to be
inadequacies and moments of stupid as he finds his way.
You mentioned Josh Allen yesterday. There will be struggles. There
will be struggles, there will be good moments. I do
believe in totality, regardless of how the record the record
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plays out, I think we're going to see more positive
moments from JJ McCarthy than we will negative. Given the
health of the offensive line, little commitment to the run
wouldn't hurt. I believe that it will be to the positive.
More touchdowns than interceptions for McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
The Minnesota Wild to close, Thank you, Saint Paul. Hyperbolic
or hyper accurate. The Minnesota Wild absolutely will make the
playoffs this year.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Hyperbolic, damn easy, hyperbolic in the right. They're actually bad.
And I said it from the beginning. What do you
mean they keep getting these moral victories. Yeah, we'll forget
about moral victories. Those don't exist. I said it from
the beginning. If you give a player seventeen million dollars
and you're not able to put other players around him,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
And I'm I'm new I'm hockey newbie, right like I'm
getting some time. Man just got the money like a
month and a half. But is it not the same
roster from last year? Is it not basically the same guys?
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Yeah we got Tarasenko. No, yeah, that helps a lot.
He's he's got some dust on him.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
But nonetheless, I don't know. I don't love this. I
don't love this wild roster construction. I think it's it's
it doesn't it's not advantageous to winning hockey games. We
saw it last year, even in the playoffs, like facing
off against Vegas, that top line, If that top line
didn't produce and score two, three, possibly four goals a game,
you weren't even standing a chance to win a playoff series.
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So I don't even think we get there this year.
So I'm going hyperbolic.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Thank you, Saint Paul, Welcome to your home for Wild
Hockey the Fan. I think it's I think it's hyperbolic
that they'll actually that they'll absolutely make the playoffs. Some
of the things Parker said is dead on and and
I'm already getting I'm getting text messages from my puck
head buddies already asking is John Hines on the hot
seat here? Goaltending hasn't been good enough? Blue line in
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front of him, have hung the netminders out? To dry
when you have your yurcheck situation not really advancing.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
And Faber.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
I love that he got a goal last night, but
Faber hasn't been the Faber that we know and love.
Carill with some bad turnovers at times, and the health
with Storm and Zuki.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Where's this offense coming from?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Man?
Speaker 4 (16:20):
And they had to grind their way just to take
the lead, only to concede it again and losing a
shootout last night. Your known commodities are not at the
level they need to be. The young cats are not
progressing at least through this stretch. That's incredibly worries some
and they're digging themselves a hole to the point where
you start playing those statistical games where if your X
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Y Z out of the playoff mix comes Thanksgiving ish
early December ish, you're building effectively a mountain that you
need to climb over to find your way into the playoffs.
So getting healthy, but a lot of things need, a
lot of things need to change.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
For the better.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Other than that, Miss Lincoln, how was the play?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Love that one?
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Well, Noda, I want to ask you too about the
favorite situation. Yeah, it was good to see him score one,
but it looks like and I don't know how much
wild you've had on the TV, but it looks like
they've completely shifted brock Favors kind of role this year
into more of just like a defensive type of defenseman.
He's not on the power play as much. They've kind
of left that to Zeve Bullyam.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
So Taylor says he's not pinching enough.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Yeah, that's exactly right, Taylor. This is all Taylor's words,
part of the hesitating it. But nonetheless, it looks like
a completely new role from brock Favor this year.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah, and it's it's not working thus far.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
So and you mentioned you mentioned Zeve where you get
a little bit of that offensive punch. You love him
with the man advantage, but you don't necessarily love him
defensively five v.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Five. So yeah, they got some stuff to figure out
over there.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
That's hyperbolic, the hyper accurate. We'll do it again about
an hour from now, somewhere around there. Nordo will pose
some scenarios for yours truly, But when we return bikes
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in the show. Not a lot of JJ related talkers
during this one here just because during the eleven AM hour,
I'm going to kind of just lay out some things.
I know we're three and four. I know it's negative.
We're focusing on the veteran and his arm falling off,
and now we're moving forward with the kids and we're
getting healthy. In all of those things, there are some
things to be really excited about about JJ McCarthy twenty
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twenty five, Take two, So stay.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Tune in for that during the eleven am hour.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I have some news for you if you'd like some
breaking news PA via Vikings dot com. The Minnesota Vikings
at the quarterback spot, not about JJ, but that quarterback room,
the Vikings have bolstered depth. This is from Craig peters Hey, Craig,
the Minnesota Vikings bolster depth quarterback by signing John.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
To their practice squad.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
The thirty year old Wolford appeared in seven NFL games,
made four starts from twenty to twenty two, including one
star with the La Rams in twenty twenty when Vikings
head coach k Kevin O'Connell was his offensive coordinator. I
think he even started a playoff game and maybe Goff
had to come in, but they actually beat the Seahawks
with John Wolford.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
But to that end, that is the connection.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Clearly Kevin O'Connell knowing John Wolford from his Rams days,
so you can put all the rest of the names
to bed. John Wolford appears to be the veteran quarterback
infusion into that room.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
If if you want the kids JJ McCarthy and Max
Brosmer to be one two for the Minnesota Vikings one
and one a starter and QB two, then this signing
further signifies that's what the plan is moving forward. The
familiarity with the head coach clearly is in play here
for somebody who supposedly is very smart. So we welcome
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John to the Covenant and we look forward to seeing
him out of the practice field today.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Bites, Bites, brought to you by Thousand Hills PA. I'll
just lay it out for you with players returning to
practice today, and there's a lot of names, a lot
of doors you can open on this one. Which player
are you most excited about potentially returning to full strength
as we get closer and closer to the Ford Field
game on Sunday in Detroit.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Well, I think that'd be an easy one for yours truly,
for those of you who listened to nine to Noon
or know me. It would be the gink. The gink.
The gink is on fire. We don't need anybody else.
Just let everybody out here burn. I don't burn Vikes bites.
I want to hit you.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
It's kind of Nordo's numbers style here courtesy of Zone
Coverage Zone coverage dot Com, thanks to Tom and everybody.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I want to hit you with the number twenty three.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
So game script, game flow, winning games, losing games, each
one like a snowflake, incredibly unique and different, specifically as
it pertains to running the ball. I want to hit
you now with three seasons and seven games of Kevin
O'Connell's offense, Kevin O'Connell's teams as it relates to the
number twenty three, the number twenty three, it's now Michael Jordan,
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not Lebron James. It is rushing attempts in a game
for your Vikings offense. So we're going to start back
in twenty twenty two, when the Vikings ran the ball
fewer than twenty three times in a game, they were
three and four. Fast forwarding to twenty twenty three. Now
twenty twenty two, they win thirteen games, host a playoff game.
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We know, but despite that, again three and four with
fewer than twenty three rushes in a game. To twenty
twenty three, the Vikings were two and seven when they
ran the ball fewer than twenty three times to twenty
twenty four. Last year, I mean they won fourteen. However,
they were one and three when they rushed the ball
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for fewer than twenty three times. And so far this
year PA, they are three and one when they run
the ball twenty three or more. They are zero and
three when they run the ball fewer than twenty three
times in a game. My question to you would be simply,
am I oversimplifying that? Or is there something to the
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idea that again never going to be fifty to fifty?
That's not necessarily what the idea of balance is about.
But there does, indeed have to be a greater focus
in establishing the run, finding ways to get consistent, efficient
production out of Jordan Mason and Aaron Jones moving forward,
not just to help the QB, but to help the
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team win games. Based on three seasons and seven games
of evidence to that point.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
My qualifiers would be in the games where they're running
fewer than twenty three, what's the score early in the
fourth quarter, how far are they behind, Like in games
that you get down I don't know, ten, fourteen, seventeen,
something like that and you got to throw to get back.
I think that would factor into it. With this year,
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what would factor into it the sixteen different offensive line
combinations they've used, plus Jones being hurt. Other side of it,
the meshing of the run in the pass, specifically the
meshing of it inside the twenty still very much at
times appears to be a work in progress. So the
coach is going to throw before he's going to run
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six out of ten times, six point two out of
ten times. Maybe that's how his DNA is wired. And
the best players are generally the wide receivers in Justin
Jefferson and Jordan Addison. Now a lot of that statistical
equity would involve veteran quarterbacks like Kirk Cousins and Sam Darnold,
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So that plays in do it too when you have
inexperienced quarterbacks or like Wentz as a veteran, but he
hadn't started many games in the last two three four years,
so the you know, the the inexperience with the new
role here would play opposite of Cousins or Darnold once
they got up to speed. Now with McCarthy, you know
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that that's we're talking about a third start here. So
the best way to take heat off a new quarterback,
specifically a twenty two year old quarterback, is to establish
a formidable running game. Another opportunity is in front of
them Sunday at noon on KFA N Bikes Bikes.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Some consternation regarding new faces on the Minnesota Vikings this year,
specifically Jonathan Allen and Javon Hargrave.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Ooh, well, feedback there?
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Uh the you mentioned yesterday Pa Whin we're at TCO
that there's there's something the tide is turning for a
former member of the Crimson Tide, Nathan Allen, specifically with
Javon Hargrave. You were talking with Parker last segment. You're
lauding Taylor Decker as you should, You're lauding pinay sewell
as you should. But the middle of this, the middle
of this offensive line not necessarily all pro laden. And
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I'm just curious if this is a good weekend in
your mindset, whether it's figuring out how to beat Christian Mahogany,
who can be beaten. And we saw the Buccaneers, albeit
in a primetime loss prior to the buy against the Lions,
they found some success there and frustrated Golf at times,
and then Gibbs gets loose for seventy eight and I
guess it didn't matter. But all the same, whether it's Ratledge, Graham,
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Glasgow working his way into center, they have had on
the interior, not the injuries that the Vikings have, but
they've had the uncertainty on the interior of that line
in twenty twenty five. Is this potentially one of those
games where you say, if not now when for a
Javon Hargrave bust out performance.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I think that's a little highbolic because they're ten left,
so that there are plenty of opportunities to fly in
the face of something that I guess I just assumed
was going to take place into the season, that Javon
Hargrave was going to be a three down guy, that
he was going to be play three downs in series
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more than he has. So Mahogany is making his ninth
start this weekend, and he's a lot better. He's a
lot better and a lot bigger than I thought he was.
Couldn't really remember him second year, Boston College, six round
pick Glasgow. As the game gets longer, Glasgow gets more beatable.
Tenth year from Michigan. Still he's still, you know, a
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rough and tumble offensive lineman.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
He's tough, but as.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
The game gets as the game continues, that could be
a spot that you could take advantage of. And Tate
Rattledge is having a good rookie season, second round pick
from Georgia. And and when you have when you play
next see from a hogany playing next to Decker and
ratledg'e playing next to Pinay Seoul. That really takes heat
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off those two youngsters because of the way they can
craft things. Uh, the the Lions, they they don't run
between the tackles a lot. They don't do it a ton.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
It's more short yards with Montgomery, right, Yeah, it's it's
when when the Lions.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
When I watched the Lions run between the tackles, it's
basically because Dan Campbell was driving home after a home
game and he heard some roube from from Westland, Michigan
complaining they don't run between the tackles enough. I always
love that one. So he's like, I'm just gonna do it.
Let's just do it twice, all right. Even though everything
we do between the hash marks and the numbers makes
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us money, everything we do outside the numbers makes everybody money.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, Gibbs to the boundary we got.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
We got Michael from Westland just constantly complaining on Lions
Fan Line week after week. We don't run between the tackles.
So David just go ahead and do it.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Come on, Nick and Nova, Welcome to Lions fan Line.
Final vike by for you is whether it's the defensive
coordinator we heard from Kevin O'Connell yesterday with us he
will be addressing the media as well, but whether it's
whether it's with Brian Flores in what he's looking at
post Chargers into the Lions game. Wes Phillips potentially getting
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to hear from a Carson Wentz if that comes through
and he hops on a mic. What is it that
is intriguing you from their perspective as we talk about
turning the page, is there something specifically you want to
hear from the Vikings coaching staff that they're turning the
page on as we move.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Forward to the kiddies game.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Well, the I want to see Andrew van Genkol go
full fall fall with practices this week because that means
he absolutely will play. So that means if you have
those two, you have Cashman purportedly Hargrave and John Nathan
Allen plus plus Byron Murphy Junior and Isaiah Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
You and Jalen Redmond.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Those are the most key players that you have for
your defense. So like the Vikings had a majority of
their key players against the Lions at Fordfield in the
final game of the season last year before the playoff
loss to the La Rams. And Jared Goff. You know,
Jared Goff has torn up the Minnesota Vikings all of
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his career. In fact, the Vikings have given up two
perfect passer ratings in the history of the team. One
took place a couple of weeks ago to Jalen Hurts.
The other Jared Goff on Thursday Night Football when he
was with the La Rams. And in his two games
against the Vikings last year, Jared Goff completed eighty four
percent of his passes. That's unbelievable. So, I mean, it's
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not like the longest stuff in the world. Chains move,
chains move, chains move. Then all of a sudden, because
you have Alex from Ann Arbor complaining that they never
throw deep to Jamison Williams. I always love that one.
Dan Campbell, here's an Alliance fan line. So he'll just,
you know, haphazardly throw one deep to Williams incomplete second
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and ten. Then they go back and do what they do,
that short stuff to lo Porta rock. Right, I'm and
Ross Saint Brown, Khalif Raymond here and there and Jamison
Williams on slants.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Well, let me ask you this then, So we look
at the Phillies games one and six in the red
zone is unacceptable, but the QB gets a perfect passer rating.
Could you look at that similarly in that Kiddies game
a year ago and say the four in the red
zone O three in gold to go situations.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
What a disaster that was inside the twenty that night.
That's bad. That was the last game of the year.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
That was the yeah, the finale in primetime, number one
seed on the line. My point is is we were
awful in the red zone. You remember Darnold and missing
guys open and all that.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I would contend Darnold was awful in the red zone.
The other ten were fine.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Okay perfect, But to that end, one of six in
red zone against the Eagles, perfect passer rating for Jalen Hurts.
Now you have what you mentioned, Jared Goff, and that
kiddies offense lighten it up in primetime while we go
impotent in the red zone, which is a bigger factor
in each of those games. The fact that we were
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never able to stop the kiddies similarly to not stopping
Jalen Hurts or is it indeed in the end, we
were at the doorstep and we wouldn't walk in the latter.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
The Lions were ripe for the beating that day.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
And if you don't believe me, then ask the Washington
Commanders two weeks later who killed them. Yeah, the Lions
were there for the taking in that final regular season
game and the quarterback missed five touchdown passes and that's fact.
That's the only way to look at it. So they
were there for the beating. That was last year. This
is different now. They're five and two, three and zero
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at home, they lost to the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
It was kind of lopsided. You even though they only
lost by.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Thirteen and I they still don't believe they're as good
as they were last year in the regular season when
they when they were when they were going great guns.
But they're still very good, and they're off of buy
and they get their safeties back, and they got Dan
Skipper now playing his third game. All is good in
their neighborhood. And we will see if everything is good
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with Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk dot com p
f T p f T Radio next via nine to
noon at FM one hundred point three k f A
n Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk dot Com and author
of several books, including Father of Mine and Big Shield,
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which is a fiction piece about gambling and sports, and
Mike joh gambling and football that is. And Mike joins us.
Now see you know, since since you conceived and or
wrote Big Shield, all right, I mean, I'm sure there's
more here, Mike, but we've had John Tay Porter and
the Toronto Raptors show a Otani and the interpreter, a
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bunch of college sports gambling allegations, and of late this
massive NBA meets FBI related kerfuffle. I mean, you time
that one up about as well as one can.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
And good morning, well, good morning, and look I have
sensed ever since the moment the US Supreme Court in
May of twenty eighteen opened the floodgates for state by
state legalized sports betting programs. I was concerned that there
would be a scandal, and the question is when does
it arrive for the NFL and how many lessons can
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the NFL learn vicariously before it has to deal with
its own reckoning. And that was the benefit of last
week's developments, the Terrorosier situation, which became the biggest story
in all of sports when you tie it with the
really specific and bizarre allegations of rig poker games where
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Portland Trailblazer's coach Chauncey Billips was a so called face
card used to attract fish to the game where they
were then swindled out of their cash. That I think
fueled it to a higher level because at its core,
ter Rozier no different from what happened with Johntay Porter.
And actually Big Shield has a storyline involving a fictional
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basketball player in a pro basketball league that is not
the NBA that does the same stuff that Terry Rozier did.
Now there's more to it, there's more details to it,
and there's more wrinkles to it. He leaves a game
pursuant to a plan that was in place with his
mob handler, and then he gets freaked out because the
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doctor looks at him weird. SOO he goes back in
the game and the monster has to sweat out whether
or not he's going to hit his overs, and he
almost does, and then that sparks another reaction and more
storylines and etc. But that's in there too. There's a
baseball player who's in the book a basketball player, and
the main character a football player who's corrupted by gambling
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and the connection to the mob. So I tried to
write it as a cautionary tale so that maybe people
within the NFL power structure or the teams or even
the players, And the reality is nobody really reads anymore.
But I'm hoping that it gets the message out as
to what can happen, both for the leagues and for
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the players, because I think what happens is no matter
how much we have, there's always that temptation to make
a quick score. There's always a llure of easy money.
And one of the messages that I try to send
in Big Shield is there is no such thing as
easy money. There's always a cost, there's always a consequence,
and there's always a chance you're going to regret it.
And I try to lay out one word at a
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time over the course of some four hundred pages, how
it really is a fallacy to think that it's a
victimless crime, that you know the sportsbooks have inside information.
What's wrong with giving the betters a little bit of
the inside information? What could go wrong? Well, we try
to show what can go wrong, and we're seeing it
play out in real time. So I got lucky. I
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guess that this happened last week. But I'd rather these
things not happen. And from the NFL's perspective, I'd rather
they wake up and address the things that need to
be addressed. And it's very simple. Number one, you need
to restrict the amount of inside information that exists. I
think that is number one, and that requires an overhaul
of the injury report policy. And then you have to
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restrict the flow of inside information outside the building. And
of course, the NFL had its moment last week which
is still unresolved and has been quickly forgotten, that Ravens
glitch in their practice report for Lamar Jackson. That shows
how competitive edge trying to keep the opponent in the
dark is to who they're going to face, creates the
kind of inside information that could then be misused and
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abused and lead to a Terry Rosier Johntay Porter type
of the situation.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Now and that was beautiful laid out his book, Big Shield.
By the way, you can learn more about it and
or purchase it at Pro Football Talk dot com. Good
place to start.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Ninety nine cents for the book. That really is one
of the dumbest business decisions I have ever made in
a career. Chock full of them, so that would be
number one dumbest.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
So you have all the stories at PFT raiders open
practice window for Aidan O'Connell Broncos thirty six sacks. Then
you scroll down below latest news and rumors. There it
is Big Shield. My Florio's latest book is available and
you can shield and you can order it there. It's
called Big Shield.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Now and anything that happened last week give you any
impulse to pick up the free signed copy I sent
to you and start reading it.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yes, absolutely, now, Crash, And what triggered me is, I've
worked in horse racing for more than half my life
and your dad was a bookie, all right, and you
have quite the fertile mind that nobody could could concoct
X ray glasses and untack lenses, special tables revealing cards,
secret mark cards, the shoe, the where the cards come
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out of. That that was Jerry Jerry rigged.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
They they ordered this shoot to read the cards and
the information was conveyed electronically to an off site operator
who then texted it back to a guy at the
table as to who had the good hands.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Unreal, no matter how fertile your mind is.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
And and again, I mean I I've, in a roundabout
way kind of been in that game more than half
my life.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I've never heard of anything like that. Had you no how?
Speaker 3 (39:40):
And I wish I'd thought of it. You know, when
I when I see a movie or read a book,
I have two reactions, either this sucks or I wish
I'd thought of it. Rarely is there something that actually
happens that makes me say, man, I wish I'd thought
of that.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
How How upset do you believe the people who laid
in the games are the ones who allegedly got stuck
via the cheating, Upset.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Enough to say something to someone that sparked a federal investigation,
because you know the risks when you get lured into
these mob rigged poker games and you lose money. You
got two choices, shut your mouth forever or open your
mouth and risk the consequences. So they were mad enough
to open their mouths and risk the consequences because you
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know there's going to be some people. I don't know
that they're going to end up in witness protection or whatever,
but I would say that the mob families who were
rattled off by name, and it wasn't just the mob,
it was Lakos and Ostra. I was mentioned multiple times
last week. Whoever blew the whistle? And they're going to
know who the fish were. Those folks I think would
have some degree of looking over their shoulder for the
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rest of their lives.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Right right, That's exactly what I was thinking to the
lesson at hand, and then the week that will be
begin name tomorrow evening. Uh, maybe McCarthy is the one
and Brosemer the backup the rest of the way. And
I know Wolford just was signed to the practice squad,
but maybe that's what they're going to do here.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
And you say Wolford or Woeful or are there is
there a difference.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
No John Wolford Wolfle, John Wolffle, no Danny Werf.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
He did, he did, He did play, and he did
start a playoff game for the Rams.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
He did.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
He has that on his resume, just like Tyler Huntley's
a pro bowler. I mean, look, all due respect to
John Wolford, are there really no better options? And the
reality is there aren't. There aren't enough good quarterbacks to
go around. One of the lines from Big Shield that
the main character's agent likes to use is there aren't
enough bad quarterbacks to go around. The realities aren't enough
quarterbacks to go around. And this is where you are.
When guys start getting injured. They need somebody with experience
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on that roster, and that's the guy they got.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
So nine point dogs to the Lions, who are off
a by all right, uh, and the Vikings offensive line
gets healthy for the most part. For our fist, Ben
Ginkel's return is eminent and nine point dogs. Do you
do you think the Vikings get killed?
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Yes? Wide, Well they got killed last year with a
much better team in Detroit, and the stakes were higher,
but the opportunity was much greater. This is a Vikings
team that is not what it was last year, going
into face a Lions team that, despite a glitch Week one,
and then they lost again to the Kansas City Chiefs.
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But man, they look every bit as good as they
were last year, and they're starting to realize this whole
two running back thing. Come on, jami Gibs, David and Montgomery.
All due respect to David Montgomery, Jamiir Gibbs is the
guy and they're gonna possibly be leaning into even more
into him being the next in the line of Billy
Simms Barry Sanders. And they just need to unleash this guy.
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So they're coming off their bye week. They're arrested, they
get Briant branch Back. He's got an extra chip on
his shoulder, even though it's his own damn fault he
got suspended. You take that and you turn it into motivation.
I just think this does not set up well for
the Vikings lunch. JJ McCarthy comes out and is somebody
we've never seen, or at least the guy we saw
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in the fourth quarter of the Bears game from start
to finish. Even then, even then, the best I think
you can reasonably hope for is to cover the spread.
I don't envision a scenario where the Vikings can find
a way to win the game. And I'm not just
saying that as an emotional hedge or to try to
provide some bulletin board material. They know what they're facing.
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The best outcome on Sunday is to not get killed
and then try to build on it from there.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Best outcome Sunday is to win the game.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Well, I think the best realistic outcome is to not
get killed and hope to build on it from there.
I mean, the best outcome is for you to go
down and buy a mega million's ticket today.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
And win it.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
All right, Ye I don't buy them, but I would
like that f T is Green Bay perhaps the best
team in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
I don't think they're the best team in the NFL.
I think right now the best team in the NFL
is the Indianapolis Colt And I think you could argue
that the Packers are the best team in the NFC,
but they they get a chance to prove it coming
up against the Eagles. I believe Philly goes to Green
Bay on a Monday night coming up, so we're going
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to see some of this wash out. The Packers will
play the Lions again. They've already beaten the Lions once.
It is so funny how the Packers start off to
and oh and it's like, man, oh, they're special. One
of their guys says, hey, we could go undefeated, and
then reality sets in with a loss and then a tie,
and we've just kind of forgotten about them. But the
way they overpowered the Steelers on Sunday night, and that
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crowd in Pittsburgh, it was the first time I've ever
been to a Steelers game in my entire life where
the crowd was flat. It felt like a neutral site game.
We were outside the stadium taking a podcast, and from
the reactions that we could hear coming over the big
wall of the stadium, you couldn't tell whether it was
a good play for the Steelers, are a good play
for the Packers. That's so many Packers fans were there.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Two to go.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Has the Patriots has Has Drake may become a top
five ish quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
A top five, top top five is a tough one.
I mean, there was that whole Kirk Hurbstreet trying to
put Justin Herbert in the top five last week, which
you know, you tell on yourself as being a part
time NFL guy if you even suggest that the top
five is hard to crack into. Top ten, right, best
guy from the class of twenty four, Yes, you force
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your way into the top five, not by becoming the
quarterback of a playoff team, but by winning in the
postseason and getting your team to the higher levels of
the playoff tree. That's how you develop the kind of
vibe that makes people say this guy is in that
upper crust of all quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Would you prefer Drake May over bow Knicks, Yes, yeah, yeah,
I would too. I mean with with Peyton, you know,
with Peyton's offensive mind and just the way he's done
things for decades. You know, I think Nis is at
an advantage there compared to and Brable's really good at
what he does the one five in a row and
Drake May during that winning streak eleven touchdowns, just one interception.
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But yeah, I think that the Peyton factor helps Nix
more than May's situation helps him.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Do you and I think Peyton would have taken May
if he could have gotten him. I think some of
that comparison to Drew Brees, and you find a quarterback
that you can basically attach yourself with a hip two
for an extended period of time. For as long as
Peyton's going to be there, bo Nick's likely to be
the quarterback unless he just face plants. But it's going
to take time because look, if Peyton had gotten Drew
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Brees as a rookie, it would have taken some time
to get Drew Brees to where he was when Peyton
got Breeze after he was five years into his NFL
career and he landed in New Orleans. So they're on
the right track in Denver and they're one of the
best teams in the NFL right now. But between the two,
I'd take May and I think Peyton in a quiet moment,
would admit that right now, May is the better overall
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quarterback than Nicks. And just look at it this way,
you flip the two. If you flip Nicks and and May,
what are the Broncos and what are the Patriots? I
think the Broncos end up being a lot better and
I think the Patriots end up being a little bit worse.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Now, now, this last question is a little dated, but
it took place after we chatted last week. What what
did you think of Jets owner Woody Johnson publicly ripping
quarterback Justin Fields the way he did.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
Well, if I said what I really thought, I'd get
you fined by the FCC. I'll just say this, In
all the years that I've been following and covering the NFL,
I've never seen an owner call out a player. And
I think it wasn't as jarring in the first instance
because he did it in so nonchalantly. And you know,
the big story from the week before that was to
a Tonga Bai Lowland the heat of the moment after
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a game, calling out not by name, the fact that
there were multiple teammates that weren't showing up for player
only meetings or showing up late, and that was all
my I can't believe he did that. I mean, this
is a cold blood of assault on Justin Fields, gratuitous, unnecessary,
and just. It shows that the bad teams are bad
for a reason. The bad team are bad and they
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stay bad because the dysfunction comes from the top. And
Woody Johnson gave us all a look at who he is,
what he is, and why his team is typically so bad.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
I appreciate you, Michael, enjoy the weekend. We'll call you
next week.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
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Speaker 2 (00:00):
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You know there are no l's in the name Winnipeg Jets,
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Speaker 3 (00:17):
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
The wheelhouse of favor a risk shot.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Hell about the same as looks this guy.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Damn the man, Dan the Man is on the fan
at eleven o'clock today.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
He's the box for these guys. Share it with five
of the play clock. Takes the ball back and looking
throwing into.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
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Speaker 2 (01:30):
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in the hood this Wednesday. And good morning, Parker Fox,
as I stopped by the nine to noon Stable, Good
morning young man.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Good morning Yea. So here we go for you and Nordo.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
It's called hyperbolic or hyper accurate, and here they are.
The Kansas City Chiefs have emerged as Super Bowl favorites
at four and a half to one. The Kansas City
Chiefs Super all favorites to win it four and after
one and absolutely are the best team in the NFL. Parker,
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you're the guest go first.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
I mean Patrick Mahomes is playing at an unbelievable level
right now. I'm lucky to have him on my fantasy team, obviously,
and I think that's right. We've seen a couple early
good teams, but I really like this Chiefs team.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
So Parker Fox says, the Chiefs absolutely being the best
team in the NFL is a hyper accurate statement.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Hyper accurate. What about Matt Producer, They got the best
defense in the division.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
They got Rashi Rice back, They're figuring out how to
run it a little bit more. They are back. They
are after the weird start. They are the best team
in the NFL. They should be considered despite a tough
division and a tougher conference. Really, they are the best
team in the NFL right now. Hyperbolic or hyper accurate.
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Green Bay absolutely is the best in the NFC and
actually is a great bet to win the Super Bowl
at seven to one.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Hyperbolic, I like this Lions team. Hyperbolic, Mica or Hollick.
I like the Lions team. I really do. I think
they have so many weapons on the offensive side of
the football. They got a deep threat in Jamison Williams.
They have mister steady and mister consistent. And I'm on raw,
you had a great tight end in the porta Jared
Goffs playing at a high rate, Montgomery and Gibbs in
the backfield. Like, that's a great offense behind a really
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good offensive line as well. So give me the Lions there.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
You can't talk that way and take it seriously, is Sureger?
Speaker 4 (03:41):
The Green Bay Packers are the best team in the
NFC right now. The Green Bay Packers are absolutely the
best team in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
They got the.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
QB when the brights are when the lights are bright,
playing as well as any quarterback in the NFL. The
defense is absolutely shutting people down save for that cow
Boys game, hence the weird tie in the record, and
they're the team that has figured out how to truly
shut down that Kiddies offense. I'll be a week one
As of this particular moment, they are the best team
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in the NFC, and I would never do it because
I mean, I respect myself as a Vikings fan. Seven
to one, some people can probably place a wager seven
to one on that awful, ugly colored franchise, the Green
and Gold, that they are to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Why don't you put your pants back here?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I'm here as Parker, you identified the Motor City Kiddies
as the best in the NFC. Here's some what I
think is interesting minutia for you. This Lion's offense, the
fan has learned they do everything from all angles.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
That's about the only way to put it.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Ben Johnson or new offensive coordinator guy whose name is
eluding me, so I'll just call him Jim Bob Cooter
like they have this receiver Isaac Tesla, Yeah, rookie from Arkansas.
Third rounder John Morton, the New Age. John Morton has
three catches this year, two or for touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Why don't you put your pants back on slappy?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
There?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Left tackle Taylor Decker, tenth year Ohio State has two
receiving touchdowns in his career.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Why don't you put your pants back on slappy now?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Pinay Seoul their right tackle. How about this?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Piney Soul has played a has played seven. There have
been seventy five possible regular season games since he entered
the NFL five years ago.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
First round pick from Oregon, he's played seventy four.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
So like one of the best offensive linemen in the
NFL period.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
That's cool, all right, man?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So you have one reception in your career that's a
nine yard first down versus the Vikings in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
That's super special.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So but I mean you must get banged up a
little bit, right, I mean, like, like all all offensive
linemen get banged up every so often. He's played seventy
four of seventy five regular season games.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Yeah, I mean, even if he did get banged up,
you know, Dan Skipper sitting right there to come in
and play for him.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Dan not too bad either, huh, Dan Skipper, you say
they're extra offensive lineman. He has two receptions in his career.
He's an offensive lineman. Two receptions in his career, and
he scored a touchdown in twenty twenty four versus the
Buffalo Bills. In fact, old Ben Johnson, coach of the Bears,
as the kids would say, he was in his bag
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in twenty twenty four. You got the Dan Skipper touchdown.
You also that same year last year had a passing
touchdown from am and Ross Saint Brown to Jared Goff
in a game against Seattle.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Just clowning on people.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I mean, this game should be on Halloween and like
Jamiir Gibbs should wear some type of some type of
slasher costume. He has seven touchdowns this year. He has
nine touchdowns in his last four versus Minnesota. He scored
twenty touchdowns last year, sixteen rushing for receiving, and in
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the most typed and arguably the biggest regular season game
in the history of the NFL. That finale last year
went for one thirty nine and four touchdowns in the
big moment Man he is so so good, Hannah. They're
punter jack box. He's had zero punts blocked in three
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hundred and sixteen punts since he came into the.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
NFL, that includes the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So it's time for the Minnesota Vikings to block a
punt this weekend, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 5 (07:53):
I would say that. And you can't forget about the
Lions defense as well. Over the last five six games,
seven three to four sacks, So they're getting They're getting
to the quarterback the way the Vikings offensive line has looked,
that's going to find JJ in some difficult places.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I assume Aiden Hutchinson, Oh fantastic, there's four interceptions in
his career. Does he really four interceptions and he has
six sacks and four forced fumbles this year?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Doesn't he have a defensive touchdown or two as well?
I'm quite positive I doubt it. I don't think.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I don't believe he has any touchdowns. I think zero
touchdowns for Aiden Hutchinson, but that can be fact checked.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Yeah, zero touchdowns, but making plays all over the field.
Nine and a half sacks this first year, eleven and
a half his second year. I already have to six
this year. Hyperbolic or hyper accurate for P. Fox and E.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Nord's with games at Detroit and Baltimore, the Baltimore game
being here at Detroit Baltimore here after that, the Minnesota
Vikings absolutely are sitting on a four game losing streak.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Hyperbolic or hyper accurate? Boys, Nor do you want to
start with this one? Well, here's what I'll say. Is
JJ season. Well, first of all, it's JJ season and
that's what matters. Well, I mean, winning games matters, but
JJ season, indeed, I think that's hyperbolic at this stage.
When the Ravens, when the Ravens with Lamar Jackson come
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to town in a couple of weeks, they are going
to have They're going to have their swerve, They're going
to have their groove back, particularly with King Henry and
having Lamar back in there and what he can do.
We've seen the Vikings defense against mobile QBS ain't gonna
be pretty at times, There's no doubt about it. However,
that defense is atrocious VA and while they slowly get healthy,
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the one name that everyone has kind of forgotten about,
and part of it is because it's very difficult to pronounce.
I believe it's Mattabuque, him being gone one for the year.
We can try and get healthy in the secondary.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
We can do some things.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
They have Kyle Hamilton, we can talk about not drafting
him all day and distract ourselves with those sorts of things.
That defense has been absolutely awful all season long, and
it's not on pace to get better.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Pa. So this Kiddi's one is going to be difficult.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I still think even at this stage, down and out
underdogs that we are, I still think it's super hyperbolic
to just dagger us. We could we could lose both,
But I think it's a little hyperbolic to daggerous on
a losing streak like that, or is.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
It hyper accurate off two consecutive losses? And now they
go to ford Field nine point dogs, then they come
home for the Ravens. Depending on what happens in the
Lions game, they quite possibly could be underdogs at US
Bank Stadium the Peabox.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Yeah, I'm gonna take the high road and go hyperbolic.
Although I don't love this week. I think it's a
difficult one. On the road Ford Field, JJ's first game back.
Who knows what the defense is gonna throw out there.
But I do think we come back home. JJ gets
underneath his belt, he comes home to US Bank Stadium,
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and he gets us a win. Like like Noro said,
this has been a terrible Ravens defense looking at some
of their numbers, giving up forty one, forty one, thirty eight,
thirty seven, forty four.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I mean, if you.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
Can't score the football against them, it's going to be difficult. Yeah,
But if we can score the football against him, I
think Lamar is obviously going to march down the field
and score the ball. It's going to be a shootout.
But I get the Vikes by a field goal.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I mean, at this stage we can play the hyperbolic,
hyper accurate game. Is it hyperbolic or hyper accurate that
JJ will absolutely play the final ten games of the
season in totality?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
That's the thing. What, Well, now you're starting to get personal.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Why not even take the field for the next two games.
I can't sit here and go absolutely, they're going to
get there. The field is going to be waxed with
the Minnesota Vikings over the next couple of weeks, and
we're going to endure trials of the hilt for the
remainder of twenty twenty five. I just can't think it's
not in my DNA. We could be king Henry, bring
it on two weeks.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Uh, you and your fiance Taylor Heisi. Where will you
guys be watching the ford Field game or listening to
it on k F A M. Wearing your super special
matching number nine.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Ers. I'm gonna get out of this super special nine.
I got this one on this morning. A nine plus
eighteen equals six one. Yeah, you know you like that one?
Speaker 5 (12:27):
I probably, I probably will pull out the JJ jersey
and Uh, I think it's going to be a couch
game for me right in the living room.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Turn on the uh when you wear the game? Warn
brosmer that's maroon, have one. I gotta where's the nine?
That would be a good commo. Yeah, that would be
a good combo.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Now we gotta now, we gotta turn her out and
uh and get another jersey, another Vikings quarterback jersey. We
haven't really discussed yet. We don't have to go to that.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yet, but nonetheless we don't. We will.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
We will be watching from the couch on Sunday, listening
to to.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yours truly.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Hyperbolic or hype we're accurate, and we have time for
two more. JJ McCarthy will finish the season with more
interceptions than touchdowns. He currently has two touchdowns and three interceptions.
What you got, Pete Fox, Oh, that's hyperbolic. Come on,
he's gonna he's gonna find his footing. No pun intended
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there at the ankle, But I truly believe that this
offensive line is going to get healthier.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
They're going to be able to protect him a little better.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
KOs is going to recognize the struggles that the offensive
line has had. Maybe you bring in an extra tight end,
Maybe you utilize CJ. Ham a little bit more in
the past.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Saw and O'Neill return this game, Yes, and that helps
a lot.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
That's a night and day different when you have two
solid tackles, I think JJ. I don't know what it is,
but I think more touchdowns than interceptions. Book it.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
It's hyperbolic. Come on, now, it's not going to be
it's not going to be gaudy. You know, Aaron Rodgers
forty and seven is a ratio. That's that's that's not
the case. There's gonna be mistakes, there's going to be
inadequacies and moments of stupid as he finds his way.
You mentioned Josh Allen yesterday. There will be struggles. There
will be struggles, there will be good moments. I do
believe in totality, regardless of how the record the record
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plays out, I think we're going to see more positive
moments from JJ McCarthy than we will negative. Given the
health of the offensive line, little commitment to the run
wouldn't hurt. I believe that it will be to the positive.
More touchdowns than interceptions for McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
The Minnesota Wild to close, Thank you, Saint Paul. Hyperbolic
or hyper accurate. The Minnesota Wild absolutely will make the
playoffs this year.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Hyperbolic, damn easy, hyperbolic in the right. They're actually bad.
And I said it from the beginning. What do you
mean they keep getting these moral victories. Yeah, we'll forget
about moral victories. Those don't exist. I said it from
the beginning. If you give a player seventeen million dollars
and you're not able to put other players around him,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
And I'm I'm new I'm hockey newbie, right like I'm
getting some time. Man just got the money like a
month and a half. But is it not the same
roster from last year? Is it not basically the same guys?
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Yeah we got Tarasenko. No, yeah, that helps a lot.
He's he's got some dust on him.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
But nonetheless, I don't know. I don't love this. I
don't love this wild roster construction. I think it's it's
it doesn't it's not advantageous to winning hockey games. We
saw it last year, even in the playoffs, like facing
off against Vegas, that top line, If that top line
didn't produce and score two, three, possibly four goals a game,
you weren't even standing a chance to win a playoff series.
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So I don't even think we get there this year.
So I'm going hyperbolic.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Thank you, Saint Paul, Welcome to your home for Wild
Hockey the Fan. I think it's I think it's hyperbolic
that they'll actually that they'll absolutely make the playoffs. Some
of the things Parker said is dead on and and
I'm already getting I'm getting text messages from my puck
head buddies already asking is John Hines on the hot
seat here? Goaltending hasn't been good enough? Blue line in
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front of him, have hung the netminders out? To dry
when you have your yurcheck situation not really advancing.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
And Faber.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
I love that he got a goal last night, but
Faber hasn't been the Faber that we know and love.
Carill with some bad turnovers at times, and the health
with Storm and Zuki.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Where's this offense coming from?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Man?
Speaker 4 (16:20):
And they had to grind their way just to take
the lead, only to concede it again and losing a
shootout last night. Your known commodities are not at the
level they need to be. The young cats are not
progressing at least through this stretch. That's incredibly worries some
and they're digging themselves a hole to the point where
you start playing those statistical games where if your X
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Y Z out of the playoff mix comes Thanksgiving ish
early December ish, you're building effectively a mountain that you
need to climb over to find your way into the playoffs.
So getting healthy, but a lot of things need, a
lot of things need to change.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
For the better.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Other than that, Miss Lincoln, how was the play?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Love that one?
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Well, Noda, I want to ask you too about the
favorite situation. Yeah, it was good to see him score one,
but it looks like and I don't know how much
wild you've had on the TV, but it looks like
they've completely shifted brock Favors kind of role this year
into more of just like a defensive type of defenseman.
He's not on the power play as much. They've kind
of left that to Zeve Bullyam.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
So Taylor says he's not pinching enough.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Yeah, that's exactly right, Taylor. This is all Taylor's words,
part of the hesitating it. But nonetheless, it looks like
a completely new role from brock Favor this year.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah, and it's it's not working thus far.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
So and you mentioned you mentioned Zeve where you get
a little bit of that offensive punch. You love him
with the man advantage, but you don't necessarily love him
defensively five v.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Five. So yeah, they got some stuff to figure out
over there.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
That's hyperbolic, the hyper accurate. We'll do it again about
an hour from now, somewhere around there. Nordo will pose
some scenarios for yours truly, But when we return bikes
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two minutes from now and alas much more during the
next eight segments nine to Noon, which begins with Bikes Bites.
That follows a short pause and something we called the
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in the show. Not a lot of JJ related talkers
during this one here just because during the eleven AM hour,
I'm going to kind of just lay out some things.
I know we're three and four. I know it's negative.
We're focusing on the veteran and his arm falling off,
and now we're moving forward with the kids and we're
getting healthy. In all of those things, there are some
things to be really excited about about JJ McCarthy twenty
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twenty five, Take two, So stay.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Tune in for that during the eleven am hour.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I have some news for you if you'd like some
breaking news PA via Vikings dot com. The Minnesota Vikings
at the quarterback spot, not about JJ, but that quarterback room,
the Vikings have bolstered depth. This is from Craig peters Hey, Craig,
the Minnesota Vikings bolster depth quarterback by signing John.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
To their practice squad.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
The thirty year old Wolford appeared in seven NFL games,
made four starts from twenty to twenty two, including one
star with the La Rams in twenty twenty when Vikings
head coach k Kevin O'Connell was his offensive coordinator. I
think he even started a playoff game and maybe Goff
had to come in, but they actually beat the Seahawks
with John Wolford.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
But to that end, that is the connection.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Clearly Kevin O'Connell knowing John Wolford from his Rams days,
so you can put all the rest of the names
to bed. John Wolford appears to be the veteran quarterback
infusion into that room.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
If if you want the kids JJ McCarthy and Max
Brosmer to be one two for the Minnesota Vikings one
and one a starter and QB two, then this signing
further signifies that's what the plan is moving forward. The
familiarity with the head coach clearly is in play here
for somebody who supposedly is very smart. So we welcome
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John to the Covenant and we look forward to seeing
him out of the practice field today.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Bites, Bites, brought to you by Thousand Hills PA. I'll
just lay it out for you with players returning to
practice today, and there's a lot of names, a lot
of doors you can open on this one. Which player
are you most excited about potentially returning to full strength
as we get closer and closer to the Ford Field
game on Sunday in Detroit.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Well, I think that'd be an easy one for yours truly,
for those of you who listened to nine to Noon
or know me. It would be the gink. The gink.
The gink is on fire. We don't need anybody else.
Just let everybody out here burn. I don't burn Vikes bites.
I want to hit you.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
It's kind of Nordo's numbers style here courtesy of Zone
Coverage Zone coverage dot Com, thanks to Tom and everybody.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I want to hit you with the number twenty three.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
So game script, game flow, winning games, losing games, each
one like a snowflake, incredibly unique and different, specifically as
it pertains to running the ball. I want to hit
you now with three seasons and seven games of Kevin
O'Connell's offense, Kevin O'Connell's teams as it relates to the
number twenty three, the number twenty three, it's now Michael Jordan,
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not Lebron James. It is rushing attempts in a game
for your Vikings offense. So we're going to start back
in twenty twenty two, when the Vikings ran the ball
fewer than twenty three times in a game, they were
three and four. Fast forwarding to twenty twenty three. Now
twenty twenty two, they win thirteen games, host a playoff game.
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We know, but despite that, again three and four with
fewer than twenty three rushes in a game. To twenty
twenty three, the Vikings were two and seven when they
ran the ball fewer than twenty three times to twenty
twenty four. Last year, I mean they won fourteen. However,
they were one and three when they rushed the ball
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for fewer than twenty three times. And so far this
year PA, they are three and one when they run
the ball twenty three or more. They are zero and
three when they run the ball fewer than twenty three
times in a game. My question to you would be simply,
am I oversimplifying that? Or is there something to the
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idea that again never going to be fifty to fifty?
That's not necessarily what the idea of balance is about.
But there does, indeed have to be a greater focus
in establishing the run, finding ways to get consistent, efficient
production out of Jordan Mason and Aaron Jones moving forward,
not just to help the QB, but to help the
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team win games. Based on three seasons and seven games
of evidence to that point.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
My qualifiers would be in the games where they're running
fewer than twenty three, what's the score early in the
fourth quarter, how far are they behind, Like in games
that you get down I don't know, ten, fourteen, seventeen,
something like that and you got to throw to get back.
I think that would factor into it. With this year,
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what would factor into it the sixteen different offensive line
combinations they've used, plus Jones being hurt. Other side of it,
the meshing of the run in the pass, specifically the
meshing of it inside the twenty still very much at
times appears to be a work in progress. So the
coach is going to throw before he's going to run
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six out of ten times, six point two out of
ten times. Maybe that's how his DNA is wired. And
the best players are generally the wide receivers in Justin
Jefferson and Jordan Addison. Now a lot of that statistical
equity would involve veteran quarterbacks like Kirk Cousins and Sam Darnold,
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So that plays in do it too when you have
inexperienced quarterbacks or like Wentz as a veteran, but he
hadn't started many games in the last two three four years,
so the you know, the the inexperience with the new
role here would play opposite of Cousins or Darnold once
they got up to speed. Now with McCarthy, you know
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that that's we're talking about a third start here. So
the best way to take heat off a new quarterback,
specifically a twenty two year old quarterback, is to establish
a formidable running game. Another opportunity is in front of
them Sunday at noon on KFA N Bikes Bikes.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Some consternation regarding new faces on the Minnesota Vikings this year,
specifically Jonathan Allen and Javon Hargrave.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Ooh, well, feedback there?
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Uh the you mentioned yesterday Pa Whin we're at TCO
that there's there's something the tide is turning for a
former member of the Crimson Tide, Nathan Allen, specifically with
Javon Hargrave. You were talking with Parker last segment. You're
lauding Taylor Decker as you should, You're lauding pinay sewell
as you should. But the middle of this, the middle
of this offensive line not necessarily all pro laden. And
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I'm just curious if this is a good weekend in
your mindset, whether it's figuring out how to beat Christian Mahogany,
who can be beaten. And we saw the Buccaneers, albeit
in a primetime loss prior to the buy against the Lions,
they found some success there and frustrated Golf at times,
and then Gibbs gets loose for seventy eight and I
guess it didn't matter. But all the same, whether it's Ratledge, Graham,
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Glasgow working his way into center, they have had on
the interior, not the injuries that the Vikings have, but
they've had the uncertainty on the interior of that line
in twenty twenty five. Is this potentially one of those
games where you say, if not now when for a
Javon Hargrave bust out performance.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I think that's a little highbolic because they're ten left,
so that there are plenty of opportunities to fly in
the face of something that I guess I just assumed
was going to take place into the season, that Javon
Hargrave was going to be a three down guy, that
he was going to be play three downs in series
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more than he has. So Mahogany is making his ninth
start this weekend, and he's a lot better. He's a
lot better and a lot bigger than I thought he was.
Couldn't really remember him second year, Boston College, six round
pick Glasgow. As the game gets longer, Glasgow gets more beatable.
Tenth year from Michigan. Still he's still, you know, a
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rough and tumble offensive lineman.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
He's tough, but as.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
The game gets as the game continues, that could be
a spot that you could take advantage of. And Tate
Rattledge is having a good rookie season, second round pick
from Georgia. And and when you have when you play
next see from a hogany playing next to Decker and
ratledg'e playing next to Pinay Seoul. That really takes heat
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off those two youngsters because of the way they can
craft things. Uh, the the Lions, they they don't run
between the tackles a lot. They don't do it a ton.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
It's more short yards with Montgomery, right, Yeah, it's it's
when when the Lions.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
When I watched the Lions run between the tackles, it's
basically because Dan Campbell was driving home after a home
game and he heard some roube from from Westland, Michigan
complaining they don't run between the tackles enough. I always
love that one. So he's like, I'm just gonna do it.
Let's just do it twice, all right. Even though everything
we do between the hash marks and the numbers makes
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us money, everything we do outside the numbers makes everybody money.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, Gibbs to the boundary we got.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
We got Michael from Westland just constantly complaining on Lions
Fan Line week after week. We don't run between the tackles.
So David just go ahead and do it.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Come on, Nick and Nova, Welcome to Lions fan Line.
Final vike by for you is whether it's the defensive
coordinator we heard from Kevin O'Connell yesterday with us he
will be addressing the media as well, but whether it's
whether it's with Brian Flores in what he's looking at
post Chargers into the Lions game. Wes Phillips potentially getting
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to hear from a Carson Wentz if that comes through
and he hops on a mic. What is it that
is intriguing you from their perspective as we talk about
turning the page, is there something specifically you want to
hear from the Vikings coaching staff that they're turning the
page on as we move.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Forward to the kiddies game.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Well, the I want to see Andrew van Genkol go
full fall fall with practices this week because that means
he absolutely will play. So that means if you have
those two, you have Cashman purportedly Hargrave and John Nathan
Allen plus plus Byron Murphy Junior and Isaiah Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
You and Jalen Redmond.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Those are the most key players that you have for
your defense. So like the Vikings had a majority of
their key players against the Lions at Fordfield in the
final game of the season last year before the playoff
loss to the La Rams. And Jared Goff. You know,
Jared Goff has torn up the Minnesota Vikings all of
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his career. In fact, the Vikings have given up two
perfect passer ratings in the history of the team. One
took place a couple of weeks ago to Jalen Hurts.
The other Jared Goff on Thursday Night Football when he
was with the La Rams. And in his two games
against the Vikings last year, Jared Goff completed eighty four
percent of his passes. That's unbelievable. So, I mean, it's
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not like the longest stuff in the world. Chains move,
chains move, chains move. Then all of a sudden, because
you have Alex from Ann Arbor complaining that they never
throw deep to Jamison Williams. I always love that one.
Dan Campbell, here's an Alliance fan line. So he'll just,
you know, haphazardly throw one deep to Williams incomplete second
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and ten. Then they go back and do what they do,
that short stuff to lo Porta rock. Right, I'm and
Ross Saint Brown, Khalif Raymond here and there and Jamison
Williams on slants.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Well, let me ask you this then, So we look
at the Phillies games one and six in the red
zone is unacceptable, but the QB gets a perfect passer rating.
Could you look at that similarly in that Kiddies game
a year ago and say the four in the red
zone O three in gold to go situations.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
What a disaster that was inside the twenty that night.
That's bad. That was the last game of the year.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
That was the yeah, the finale in primetime, number one
seed on the line. My point is is we were
awful in the red zone. You remember Darnold and missing
guys open and all that.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I would contend Darnold was awful in the red zone.
The other ten were fine.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Okay perfect, But to that end, one of six in
red zone against the Eagles, perfect passer rating for Jalen Hurts.
Now you have what you mentioned, Jared Goff, and that
kiddies offense lighten it up in primetime while we go
impotent in the red zone, which is a bigger factor
in each of those games. The fact that we were
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never able to stop the kiddies similarly to not stopping
Jalen Hurts or is it indeed in the end, we
were at the doorstep and we wouldn't walk in the latter.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
The Lions were ripe for the beating that day.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
And if you don't believe me, then ask the Washington
Commanders two weeks later who killed them. Yeah, the Lions
were there for the taking in that final regular season
game and the quarterback missed five touchdown passes and that's fact.
That's the only way to look at it. So they
were there for the beating. That was last year. This
is different now. They're five and two, three and zero
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at home, they lost to the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
It was kind of lopsided. You even though they only
lost by.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Thirteen and I they still don't believe they're as good
as they were last year in the regular season when
they when they were when they were going great guns.
But they're still very good, and they're off of buy
and they get their safeties back, and they got Dan
Skipper now playing his third game. All is good in
their neighborhood. And we will see if everything is good
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with Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk dot com p
f T p f T Radio next via nine to
noon at FM one hundred point three k f A
n Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk dot Com and author
of several books, including Father of Mine and Big Shield,
(33:38):
which is a fiction piece about gambling and sports, and
Mike joh gambling and football that is. And Mike joins us.
Now see you know, since since you conceived and or
wrote Big Shield, all right, I mean, I'm sure there's
more here, Mike, but we've had John Tay Porter and
the Toronto Raptors show a Otani and the interpreter, a
(34:01):
bunch of college sports gambling allegations, and of late this
massive NBA meets FBI related kerfuffle. I mean, you time
that one up about as well as one can.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
And good morning, well, good morning, and look I have
sensed ever since the moment the US Supreme Court in
May of twenty eighteen opened the floodgates for state by
state legalized sports betting programs. I was concerned that there
would be a scandal, and the question is when does
it arrive for the NFL and how many lessons can
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the NFL learn vicariously before it has to deal with
its own reckoning. And that was the benefit of last
week's developments, the Terrorosier situation, which became the biggest story
in all of sports when you tie it with the
really specific and bizarre allegations of rig poker games where
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Portland Trailblazer's coach Chauncey Billips was a so called face
card used to attract fish to the game where they
were then swindled out of their cash. That I think
fueled it to a higher level because at its core,
ter Rozier no different from what happened with Johntay Porter.
And actually Big Shield has a storyline involving a fictional
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basketball player in a pro basketball league that is not
the NBA that does the same stuff that Terry Rozier did.
Now there's more to it, there's more details to it,
and there's more wrinkles to it. He leaves a game
pursuant to a plan that was in place with his
mob handler, and then he gets freaked out because the
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doctor looks at him weird. SOO he goes back in
the game and the monster has to sweat out whether
or not he's going to hit his overs, and he
almost does, and then that sparks another reaction and more
storylines and etc. But that's in there too. There's a
baseball player who's in the book a basketball player, and
the main character a football player who's corrupted by gambling
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and the connection to the mob. So I tried to
write it as a cautionary tale so that maybe people
within the NFL power structure or the teams or even
the players, And the reality is nobody really reads anymore.
But I'm hoping that it gets the message out as
to what can happen, both for the leagues and for
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the players, because I think what happens is no matter
how much we have, there's always that temptation to make
a quick score. There's always a llure of easy money.
And one of the messages that I try to send
in Big Shield is there is no such thing as
easy money. There's always a cost, there's always a consequence,
and there's always a chance you're going to regret it.
And I try to lay out one word at a
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time over the course of some four hundred pages, how
it really is a fallacy to think that it's a
victimless crime, that you know the sportsbooks have inside information.
What's wrong with giving the betters a little bit of
the inside information? What could go wrong? Well, we try
to show what can go wrong, and we're seeing it
play out in real time. So I got lucky. I
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guess that this happened last week. But I'd rather these
things not happen. And from the NFL's perspective, I'd rather
they wake up and address the things that need to
be addressed. And it's very simple. Number one, you need
to restrict the amount of inside information that exists. I
think that is number one, and that requires an overhaul
of the injury report policy. And then you have to
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restrict the flow of inside information outside the building. And
of course, the NFL had its moment last week which
is still unresolved and has been quickly forgotten, that Ravens
glitch in their practice report for Lamar Jackson. That shows
how competitive edge trying to keep the opponent in the
dark is to who they're going to face, creates the
kind of inside information that could then be misused and
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abused and lead to a Terry Rosier Johntay Porter type
of the situation.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Now and that was beautiful laid out his book, Big Shield.
By the way, you can learn more about it and
or purchase it at Pro Football Talk dot com. Good
place to start.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Ninety nine cents for the book. That really is one
of the dumbest business decisions I have ever made in
a career. Chock full of them, so that would be
number one dumbest.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
So you have all the stories at PFT raiders open
practice window for Aidan O'Connell Broncos thirty six sacks. Then
you scroll down below latest news and rumors. There it
is Big Shield. My Florio's latest book is available and
you can shield and you can order it there. It's
called Big Shield.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Now and anything that happened last week give you any
impulse to pick up the free signed copy I sent
to you and start reading it.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yes, absolutely, now, Crash, And what triggered me is, I've
worked in horse racing for more than half my life
and your dad was a bookie, all right, and you
have quite the fertile mind that nobody could could concoct
X ray glasses and untack lenses, special tables revealing cards,
secret mark cards, the shoe, the where the cards come
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out of. That that was Jerry Jerry rigged.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
They they ordered this shoot to read the cards and
the information was conveyed electronically to an off site operator
who then texted it back to a guy at the
table as to who had the good hands.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Unreal, no matter how fertile your mind is.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
And and again, I mean I I've, in a roundabout
way kind of been in that game more than half
my life.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I've never heard of anything like that. Had you no how?
Speaker 3 (39:40):
And I wish I'd thought of it. You know, when
I when I see a movie or read a book,
I have two reactions, either this sucks or I wish
I'd thought of it. Rarely is there something that actually
happens that makes me say, man, I wish I'd thought
of that.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
How How upset do you believe the people who laid
in the games are the ones who allegedly got stuck
via the cheating, Upset.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Enough to say something to someone that sparked a federal investigation,
because you know the risks when you get lured into
these mob rigged poker games and you lose money. You
got two choices, shut your mouth forever or open your
mouth and risk the consequences. So they were mad enough
to open their mouths and risk the consequences because you
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know there's going to be some people. I don't know
that they're going to end up in witness protection or whatever,
but I would say that the mob families who were
rattled off by name, and it wasn't just the mob,
it was Lakos and Ostra. I was mentioned multiple times
last week. Whoever blew the whistle? And they're going to
know who the fish were. Those folks I think would
have some degree of looking over their shoulder for the
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rest of their lives.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Right right, That's exactly what I was thinking to the
lesson at hand, and then the week that will be
begin name tomorrow evening. Uh, maybe McCarthy is the one
and Brosemer the backup the rest of the way. And
I know Wolford just was signed to the practice squad,
but maybe that's what they're going to do here.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
And you say Wolford or Woeful or are there is
there a difference.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
No John Wolford Wolfle, John Wolffle, no Danny Werf.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
He did, he did, He did play, and he did
start a playoff game for the Rams.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
He did.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
He has that on his resume, just like Tyler Huntley's
a pro bowler. I mean, look, all due respect to
John Wolford, are there really no better options? And the
reality is there aren't. There aren't enough good quarterbacks to
go around. One of the lines from Big Shield that
the main character's agent likes to use is there aren't
enough bad quarterbacks to go around. The realities aren't enough
quarterbacks to go around. And this is where you are.
When guys start getting injured. They need somebody with experience
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on that roster, and that's the guy they got.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
So nine point dogs to the Lions, who are off
a by all right, uh, and the Vikings offensive line
gets healthy for the most part. For our fist, Ben
Ginkel's return is eminent and nine point dogs. Do you
do you think the Vikings get killed?
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Yes? Wide, Well they got killed last year with a
much better team in Detroit, and the stakes were higher,
but the opportunity was much greater. This is a Vikings
team that is not what it was last year, going
into face a Lions team that, despite a glitch Week one,
and then they lost again to the Kansas City Chiefs.
(42:25):
But man, they look every bit as good as they
were last year, and they're starting to realize this whole
two running back thing. Come on, jami Gibs, David and Montgomery.
All due respect to David Montgomery, Jamiir Gibbs is the
guy and they're gonna possibly be leaning into even more
into him being the next in the line of Billy
Simms Barry Sanders. And they just need to unleash this guy.
(42:45):
So they're coming off their bye week. They're arrested, they
get Briant branch Back. He's got an extra chip on
his shoulder, even though it's his own damn fault he
got suspended. You take that and you turn it into motivation.
I just think this does not set up well for
the Vikings lunch. JJ McCarthy comes out and is somebody
we've never seen, or at least the guy we saw
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in the fourth quarter of the Bears game from start
to finish. Even then, even then, the best I think
you can reasonably hope for is to cover the spread.
I don't envision a scenario where the Vikings can find
a way to win the game. And I'm not just
saying that as an emotional hedge or to try to
provide some bulletin board material. They know what they're facing.
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The best outcome on Sunday is to not get killed
and then try to build on it from there.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Best outcome Sunday is to win the game.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Well, I think the best realistic outcome is to not
get killed and hope to build on it from there.
I mean, the best outcome is for you to go
down and buy a mega million's ticket today.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
And win it.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
All right, Ye I don't buy them, but I would
like that f T is Green Bay perhaps the best
team in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
I don't think they're the best team in the NFL.
I think right now the best team in the NFL
is the Indianapolis Colt And I think you could argue
that the Packers are the best team in the NFC,
but they they get a chance to prove it coming
up against the Eagles. I believe Philly goes to Green
Bay on a Monday night coming up, so we're going
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to see some of this wash out. The Packers will
play the Lions again. They've already beaten the Lions once.
It is so funny how the Packers start off to
and oh and it's like, man, oh, they're special. One
of their guys says, hey, we could go undefeated, and
then reality sets in with a loss and then a tie,
and we've just kind of forgotten about them. But the
way they overpowered the Steelers on Sunday night, and that
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crowd in Pittsburgh, it was the first time I've ever
been to a Steelers game in my entire life where
the crowd was flat. It felt like a neutral site game.
We were outside the stadium taking a podcast, and from
the reactions that we could hear coming over the big
wall of the stadium, you couldn't tell whether it was
a good play for the Steelers, are a good play
for the Packers. That's so many Packers fans were there.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Two to go.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Has the Patriots has Has Drake may become a top
five ish quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
A top five, top top five is a tough one.
I mean, there was that whole Kirk Hurbstreet trying to
put Justin Herbert in the top five last week, which
you know, you tell on yourself as being a part
time NFL guy if you even suggest that the top
five is hard to crack into. Top ten, right, best
guy from the class of twenty four, Yes, you force
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your way into the top five, not by becoming the
quarterback of a playoff team, but by winning in the
postseason and getting your team to the higher levels of
the playoff tree. That's how you develop the kind of
vibe that makes people say this guy is in that
upper crust of all quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Would you prefer Drake May over bow Knicks, Yes, yeah, yeah,
I would too. I mean with with Peyton, you know,
with Peyton's offensive mind and just the way he's done
things for decades. You know, I think Nis is at
an advantage there compared to and Brable's really good at
what he does the one five in a row and
Drake May during that winning streak eleven touchdowns, just one interception.
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But yeah, I think that the Peyton factor helps Nix
more than May's situation helps him.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Do you and I think Peyton would have taken May
if he could have gotten him. I think some of
that comparison to Drew Brees, and you find a quarterback
that you can basically attach yourself with a hip two
for an extended period of time. For as long as
Peyton's going to be there, bo Nick's likely to be
the quarterback unless he just face plants. But it's going
to take time because look, if Peyton had gotten Drew
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Brees as a rookie, it would have taken some time
to get Drew Brees to where he was when Peyton
got Breeze after he was five years into his NFL
career and he landed in New Orleans. So they're on
the right track in Denver and they're one of the
best teams in the NFL right now. But between the two,
I'd take May and I think Peyton in a quiet moment,
would admit that right now, May is the better overall
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quarterback than Nicks. And just look at it this way,
you flip the two. If you flip Nicks and and May,
what are the Broncos and what are the Patriots? I
think the Broncos end up being a lot better and
I think the Patriots end up being a little bit worse.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Now, now, this last question is a little dated, but
it took place after we chatted last week. What what
did you think of Jets owner Woody Johnson publicly ripping
quarterback Justin Fields the way he did.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
Well, if I said what I really thought, I'd get
you fined by the FCC. I'll just say this, In
all the years that I've been following and covering the NFL,
I've never seen an owner call out a player. And
I think it wasn't as jarring in the first instance
because he did it in so nonchalantly. And you know,
the big story from the week before that was to
a Tonga Bai Lowland the heat of the moment after
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a game, calling out not by name, the fact that
there were multiple teammates that weren't showing up for player
only meetings or showing up late, and that was all
my I can't believe he did that. I mean, this
is a cold blood of assault on Justin Fields, gratuitous, unnecessary,
and just. It shows that the bad teams are bad
for a reason. The bad team are bad and they
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stay bad because the dysfunction comes from the top. And
Woody Johnson gave us all a look at who he is,
what he is, and why his team is typically so bad.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
I appreciate you, Michael, enjoy the weekend. We'll call you
next week.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Bye bye, My Florio ProFootball talk dot com. It's a
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