Freddy vs. Jason: Who Owned the 80s?

It’s the ultimate 1980s horror showdown! In this episode, we're joined by Justin from Pop Culture Reflections Podcast as we pit Freddy Krueger and Jason Voorhees against each other — not in the ring, but in the decade that made them legends. From Elm Street to Camp Crystal Lake, we’re diving into their most iconic kills, their cultural impact, and the pure nightmare fuel that defined ‘80s slasher cinema. Who ruled the decade of terror — the dream stalker or the silent slayer?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Welcome back to Children of the Eighties. I am one
of your hosts, Jim, and I am joined by the
lady who doesn't really care for my hockey mask, but
she wears the same hat and sweater every single day,
and even when it's hot outside she wears it.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
It's my co host, Lindsey.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
You know what happened.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
I think we've been married, maybe about four months, and
I woke up in the night and you were over
me with that hockey mask.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Do you remember that?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
That's when you quit liking it?

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Were you a little worried? Well, I've got some news
for you. It's not just the two of us for
this episode.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Oh wait, hold on, let me give my pants on.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
We're we're we're having a special Halloween episode. So we've
invited a guest and I've got some guest intro music
here that I want to play and then I'll introduce them.
What do you think do it? It's our buddy Justin
from the Pop Culture Reflections podcast, coming back welcome back, Justin.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Love the music. Wait, let me go put my pants on. Okay, okay,
I'm back. I'm so happy to be here, especially considering
the topic. And I love talking to the two of you,
two my favorite people. So I'm back and loving it.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Thank you, Well, you're great to talk to. We enjoy
having you and and so we're glad to welcome you back.
At least I am. I don't know she's over there
all quiet time.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
I am very happy to have you back. I'm feeling
personally a little out of my element because I love Halloween,
but I don't like scary Halloween. So I know today
we're talking about some might argue scary Halloween movies, so
I feel I feel like I'm not worthy to be here.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
So therefore I'm a little quiet.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, I'm gonna ask Justin, Justin, are these movies scary
to you? Or were they scary to you?

Speaker 5 (02:38):
Oh? Boy?

Speaker 4 (02:39):
So maybe first viewing when I seen because I think
of for the franchises we're covering, I think the very
first one I saw of any of them was Freddy's Revenge,
Part two of a Nightmare on Elm Street.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
That one to me at seven.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Year old seven years old or whatever I was was
a little was a little scared. Yes, now, as I
worked my way through the franchise, even as a kid
of you know, eight, nine, ten, I didn't think it
was as scary at that point, And obviously as an adult,
I don't find it that scary. But I could see
where if you're not big in the horror and not
big into gore and stuff like that, some of this

(03:16):
can be a little on the scary side. Absolutely, especially
if you look at some early Friday the thirteenth, I
think those can be a little bit more terrifying. But
one of the things I want to say real quick
is Lindsay is totally qualified. Because you want to talk
about two franchises that are eighties icons, these two right
here might be two of the best.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah. So for sure, for our listening audience today, we
are doing an episode called Freddie Versus Jason, and we're
gonna talk a little bit about all of the movies
that filmed in the eighties. We're gonna talk about some
of the similarities and differences between the franchises, between the characters,
and we're just gonna have a lot of fun here.
But I have to say that when I was young,

(04:00):
I probably saw Friday the Thirteenth, Part two actually justin
I've never seen the original, not in okay, not in full.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Wait but wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. Friday
the thirteenth. We watched the original together.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
No we did, not the.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
One where it ends up being the mom Yes, we
watched that together.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
No we didn't.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Okay, I mean, sorry about this little lover spat we're
having here in front of you.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
But I saw the second one probably in nineteen eighty
two ish, maybe early eighty three, so I was about
nine eight or nine, and it scared the tar out
of me, but I loved it. And then Part three
came out in eighty three, and I saw that because
that was in three D. So we've rented it and
got the three D glasses and the popcorn and everything

(04:52):
else and watched that in eighty three. And I can
just say that the Friday the thirteenth scared the tar
out of me. The the Nightmare on Elm Streets not
so much. But yeah, that was kind of my introduction
to it.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
So here's the funny thing. I was gonna say the opposite. Really,
I never felt like Friday the thirteenth was all that
scary now, suspenseful maybe, but not scary.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Freddy on the other hand, he terrified me.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well, this is sweater alone, was just a crime.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
This is gonna make for an interesting episode. Then if
we're already on opposite sides, and then you know, I
think I know where Justin stands on this. But we'll
get into a little bit of that later. But Justin
just thoughts overall on both franchises, Nightmare on Elm Street
and Friday the Thirteenth, And you could talk about them,
you know, all decades, but when we really dive into

(05:59):
the meat of it, we're just gonna stay in the eighties.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Yeah, And I think that the core of this both
of these series is the installments in the eighties. I
think what came in the nineties. A lot of people,
even fans of the series, have mixed feelings on those
installments that came in the nineties and then after. But
that's a different conversation for a different day. But I
think the meat and potatoes of these franchises all happened

(06:23):
in the eighties. Now, there's probably plenty of better guests
you could have brought on to talk about horror that
kind of specialize in horror, because obviously I love horror,
It's my favorite film franchise, but I specialize more in
all kinds of you know, aspects of pop culture.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
Pop culture.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
But having said that, my perspective, I've said this story before,
I literally grew up on these two franchises. So for
you guys to ask me to come talk about these
is such an honor for me because of growing up
with them.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
Like you had kids growing up.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
On g I, Joe and he Man and all that,
and trust me, I was into that too as a kid.
But in reality, I grew up on these two franchises,
and I think that's why I became such a big
hard nerd was because of Freddie and Jason and everything
they meant to me from the ages of seven and
up as I kind of delved into all of these installments.

(07:13):
Because let's keep in mind, I was born in eighty one,
so I was pretty young when these movies kind of
hit their run. You know, obviously, Friday the thirteenth start
in nineteen eighty, so I was pretty young. So it
took a little bit later into the decade for me
to start watching these on video and on television when
my mom would allow me.

Speaker 5 (07:31):
But once I did, like, I was all in.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Like there were kids that, like, you know that maybe
Superman or Batman or he Man was their superhero. Freaking
Freddy and Jason were my superheroes. Whatever that might say
about me, but it was what I grew up when
I loved it.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
All right.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Well, I'm feeling a little old here because I said
I watched it in eighty two and that Men's Justin
was one, and I am watching a movie about Jason.
But are we ready to dive?

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
This is a podcast that looks back on the decade
of the nineteen eighties. We talk about things that were
important to us as children and what we look back
on with fond memories as adults. Ultimately, this is a
nostalgia podcast.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
All right. So I'm gonna go through some stats here,
and if you guys have anything to say, just stop
me and jump right in. All right, So Friday the
Thirteenth twelve films overall eight in the nineteen eighties. Jason
appeared in seven of them, but Justin can tell you
really he only appeared in six, Didney Justin?

Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yeah? Now you could have a technicality here and say
that he even was featured in a way in Part
five which he was not the main antagonist, and technically
little Jason showed up in the first one. So if
you want to be technical, Jason technically appears in all
eight of the eighties and well all of the Friday

(09:08):
the Thirteenth films if you want to get technical.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yes, but as the main character, as the homicidal maniac,
he's really only in six of them, Craby, though for
a long time we thought that he was in seven
of them, until it was revealed at the end of
five that it wasn't actually Jason.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
M all right.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
There was a Friday the Thirteenth, the TV series that
aired from nineteen eighty seven to nineteen eighty ten. There
is an upcoming series called Crystal Lake that I think
is it gonna air on Netflix?

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, that thing has been in limbo for a long time,
but I do know they finally went into filming, and
I think I saw somewhere that filming has now wrapped,
so it's actually finally filmed, I believe. But as far
as where it's gonna broadcast, I thought originally it was
going to be Peacock, but I don't know if that's changed.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Oh it maybe it maybe Peacock, Yeah, there was also
did you all know that there was a Nintendo Entertainment
System game called Friday the Thirteenth, Of course, where you are.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
A People can't see this because it's an audio podcast, obviously,
but I have a mask dedicated to the nes F
the Thirteenth game right back there.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
I loved it so much.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Nightmare on Elm Street nine films overall five in the eighties,
also had a television series called Fredday's Nightmares from nineteen
eighty eight to nineteen eighty ten, and also had an
ANYS game that came out in nineteen ninety as well.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Any thoughts on that.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
I remember both of those Nintendo games, and I don't
think I owned them, so obviously, I guess I was
playing them at a cousin's house.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
But I've played both of them at least one.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
I played the Friday the Thirteenth one quite a bit.
I was enamored by that stupid game, even though it
didn't make a whole lot of sense. But the Nightmare
on Elm Street one, I remember playing it a couple times,
but it hasn't stayed with me. I don't remember any
of the game play during it or anything, but the
Friday the Thirteenth one really has stayed with me.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
It was such a fun game.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, I don't remember playing Nightmare on Elm Street at all.
We probably rented when you could rent video games, We
probably rented Friday the Thirteenth. But I remember it well
or fairly well for as long ago as it.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Was forgotten that you could rent video games.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, did you get those at Blockbuster at some little
mom and pop store?

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Well, back then it was the mom and pop store,
but eventually you could get them at Blockbuster. Some of
the similarities of each franchise multiple movies Unkillable Characters started
in the eighties but went beyond. Both have had reboots,
both had a five subtitle, and there was also a

(12:04):
Freddie versus Jason movie. Any thoughts on any of that? Uh?

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Can I start with just unpack a little bit? Not
I'm not gonna get into it too much, But you
talked about the TV series, so of both of these franchises,
For one, I remember because I haven't gone back to
watch either of those series since probably when I was
a kid, when I watched some of them. But I
remember not liking the Friday the Thirteenth series because it
was nothing like the franchise. It took itself very serious.

(12:34):
It almost reminded me of the anthology TV series like
The Hitchhiker I think it was called.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
It was kind of similar to that vibe.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
When it comes to The Freddie's Nightmares, I kind of
liked that one a little bit more because it was
very campy, and I remember Freddie would like be at
the beginning of it, almost like Tales from the Crypt.
He was like the crypt Keeper, but for that show,
and I remember that even like the first episode of
that series was almost like a telling the backstory of
Fred Krueger, which I thought was really cool that they

(13:03):
brought that into the TV series and incorporated it, where
Friday thirteenth was nothing to do with Jason Vorhees or
any of that lore. So I never cared for that series,
but again not rewatching either one of them in a while.
But they will say I remember liking The Freddy's Nightmares
just because of how campy it was.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
So in the eighties we didn't have cable, so our
local channel thirty six or forty six around Halloween, especially
Friday the thirteenth. They would play it all the time,
but because it was regular TV, they cut out any
questionable parts. So I probably was oblivious to some of

(13:48):
the more suggestive parts of the movies, or maybe the
gory parts of the movies because that was always cut out.
So I probably grew up watching it thinking it was
a much tamer movie than it was, even though Justin
would argue that I'm sure they're both tame.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
In a way.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah. Yeah, So I watched both series two, at least
parts of both series. It came on I think after
our local news maybe late at night on a Friday
night or a Saturday night, and it wasn't on like
ABCNBC or CBS. It was on like our local just
like Saint Louis station. And so yeah, I watched both

(14:27):
of them, and I agree with you Justin, like Friday
the thirteenth was very much like a Hitchhiker anthology film.
I kind of related it to kind of like a
Twilight Zone, you know, in a zone almost, whereas the
Freddy series did have Freddy almost as like the host,
or at least introducing the episode and then coming back
through commercial breaks and then at the end doing kind
of his Freddy thing, so Freddy, Yeah, where he just

(14:51):
kind of cracks jokes and you know that kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Can we can we talk a minute about the actual
film Freddie Versus Jason, because I know it's not eighties yea, yeah,
And I'm not gonna go I'm not gonna go into
the film much, but I'm gonna tie this into the
whole love I had of these two franchises in the
eighties and early nineties. So I remember when I was
a kid seeing Jason Goes to Hell, right, and again

(15:17):
that was in the nineties, but I remember at the
end of that movie when Jason's essentially did goes to
Hell and his mask is laying on the ground and
we get Freddy's glove coming out of the ground and
pulling it down the hell laughing the whole time because
at that point New Line Cinema finally owned the rights
to the Friday Thirteenth franchise at that point going forward,

(15:37):
enabling them to do that. And I remember as a kid,
I don't remember what magazines I would get or whatever,
but I remember seeing like rumors about we're gonna get
Freddie Versus Jason, We're gonna get a movie with both
of them in So I was so excited, and then
it never happened. It never happened until finally, all the
way into like two thousand and three, I believe, is
when Freddie Versus Jason finally came out, and I know

(15:59):
that whole production was in limbo for a while and
there was writing, you know, writers issues and stuff. But no, again,
this is not a conversation for today. That film is
what it is, whether or not I like it as
much as the rest of the franchise. What I did
love about it, even at that age at twenty two,
you know, being a little bit removed from my love

(16:20):
and nostalgia of the of the series in the eighties.
I loved seeing the characters of Freddie, Freddie's and Jason
calming together, battling it out almost Wwe style at the
end of that movie. So I had a lot of
fun with it. So again, I know, we're probably not
gonna talk a lot about that, So I at least
wanted to bring that up because for me, as a
childhood fan, it was such a big deal.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
So Freddy Versus Jason, that was a movie that was
a movie. Yes, it came out in the nineties, No, two.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Thousand and three. Yeah, so I was done with the
franchise by probably ninety two or ninety three, both of them,
because they just got stupid. But when that came around,
I was a little bit excited. And they didn't go
to the movies to see it, but I probably rented
it from Netflix and watched it just because, like you said,
it was the two characters in the same movie.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Did they join forces or were they going against each other?

Speaker 4 (17:14):
Well, essentially Freddie who had kind of lost his powers
at that point, everybody kind of forgot about him. He
essentially used Jason to kind of kill for him and
to bring them back to him to be able to
haunt their nightmares again or to gain his power back
through Jason, and then they end up fighting each other,
which is like I said, it was a lot of fun.

(17:35):
And back to what Jim said, I was actually their
opening night. That's how excited I was. Again, it let
me down a little bit in some ways, but the
just the action of those two going against each other
was a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
It was like finally seeing Hogan and Andre you know,
right fight in the center of the Ring or Hogan
and Flair. Right, that's that's probably more apropos than Hogan
and Andre. All right, well, let's get to the categories,
and this will only be for movies in the nineteen eighties.

(18:11):
Which individual film had the best popcorn meter was a
question that I asked. Now, I didn't expect either of
you two to look that up, but I'm gonna provide
that the original Friday the thirteenth had sixty percent. But
as we discussed, Jason wasn't really the main character in it,
even though, as Justin points out, technically he was in it.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Justin, do you have a.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Guess at which episode had the highest popcorn meter from
the critics.

Speaker 5 (18:38):
In just the Friday series.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Or both just the Friday series.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
I'm gonna guess, now the popcorn is that audience or
is that the critics?

Speaker 2 (18:48):
That's the critics.

Speaker 5 (18:50):
I'm probably gonna say it's the original.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Well, it is the original, But besides the original, which
do you think is.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
Well besides that one?

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Okay, so I would probably say of the rest of them,
I would probably say.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
It was probably four part four me.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
That's what I said. Six, Uh, it is six, believe
it or not. Briday thirteenth Part six Jason Lives was
the highest one.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
So six was filmed in Georgia.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Not only was six filmed in Georgia, but the camp
was Camp Routledge, which was a camp not too far
from where I grew up, and it's where it was
where the kids at my church went to church camp
every summer, and it was Camp Routledge, but it was

(19:46):
whatever it was called in the movie.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Was it still Camp Crystal Lake in six? I think? So? Okay?

Speaker 1 (19:55):
So yeah, so Camp Rutledge was Camp Crystal Lake. So
that's how I knew that it was six, because six
was always stuck out in my mind a little bit
more because that had a personal touch.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
Interesting well, and I will I will say real quick,
just on the personal part. Six Jason Lives is my
favorite of the franchise.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
So I'm happy to hear that.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Wow it is.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yeah, it's it's that in part two or probably my
two favorites for two different reasons. But yeah, I Jason
Lives was the one that as a kid hooked me
to this series. It's why I fell in love with
the series. Even though I I think.

Speaker 5 (20:30):
I told the story before.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
I believe it was the final chapter was the first
one I saw, because I remember Corey Feldman and I
was like big into Corey Felderman at that that age
because the Goonies and all that and Gremlins. So I
think that was the first one I saw. And then
right after that, I saw Jason Lives and I was hooked.
And that's when I'm like, okay, mom, I got to
rent all the rest of these uh in that in
this franchise.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
Uh and and just bingjam because I loved it too cool?

Speaker 3 (20:54):
All right, So.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
It probably this probably isn't difficult. Which Nightmare on Elm
Street had the highest popcorn meter?

Speaker 5 (21:05):
Now? Is this all of them? Including the original? We
can pick for many of them.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, anything in the eighties.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
I think it's the original probably has the highest.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah. The original actually has eighty four percent on the
popcorn Wow. So the critics loved it, Okay, So just
a little rundown. So Friday at Thirteenth Part two forty
nine percent and Nightmare Part two only thirty three percent.
Part thre's forty two for Friday and sixty eight for Nightmare.

(21:38):
So I guess Nightmare kind of made a comeback there.
I was Dream Warriors Part four. They're flip flop flopping again.
Because Friday's at fifty two, the Nightmares at forty three,
Part five, you can see it kind of start to
go down. Friday's at twenty six, Nightmares at thirty one,
but part six, like I said, fifty four, and then

(21:59):
part seven and eight, we're thirty seven and twenty six percent, respectively. Now,
if we go to the Tomato meter, or as we
like to call it on here because we're from the South,
justin the Mader meter, Phitch individual film out of the
what is it? Twelve films? So eight thirteen films, eight

(22:21):
for Friday, five for Nightmare. Which do you think the
fans liked the best?

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (22:30):
I would probably say Dream Warriors, that'd be my guess.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
So that for those of you that aren't familiar, that
would be Nightmare on Elm Street Part three, Linz.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
I hate to just piggyback off Justin, but I really
have no idea, Okay, So can I just go?

Speaker 3 (22:50):
I feel like I feel like Justin knows.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
You can just piggyback off Justin and I can tell
you both that you're both absolutely wrong. The original Nightmare
on Elm Street comes in with a ninety four percent
on the tomato meter. So, uh, here's what I'll say.
I agree with that, Like I thought the original Nightmare

(23:13):
on Elm Street was just so well done in such
a crazy story. It was different than your Halloween or
your Friday the thirteenth, and so it was just done
so differently that it was It was actually a really
good movie, not just entertaining. And I think that all

(23:35):
of these movies for the most part, are entertaining, but
Nightmare on Elm Street was actually good.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Thoughts.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I think it is a
great film. Like I love almost all the movies in
both of these franchises because again I have a lot
of nostylgia for them. They're a lot of fun, they
get really creative, they do a lot of things that
just stand out from there from the pack. But having
said all that, objectively, although I Friday the Thirteenth is

(24:03):
my favorite franchise of all time in any genre, but
objectively I would say probably Nightmare one the original is
probably the best made film as far as you know,
the screenplay, the direction, the cinematography, maybe even the score
like all that, and for that for that matter, even
like the performances are pretty strong all around as well,

(24:25):
so I'm not surprised by that, although I know a
lot of audiences like some of the other installments as well.
So maybe ninety four whatever you said, that percent is
actually higher than I expected, But it definitely is. It
deserves all the love it gets because I think it
really is a great movie.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, I agree Lynn's thoughts.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, I can see that when this first came out
that just the novelty of the monster coming in your
dreams to get you. You can only stay awake for
so long, and we're always kind of dreams can have
a sort of a creepy element to it anyways. And

(25:07):
then so now to give like a face to the
boogeyman in your dreams, I can see why that would
definitely have caught the audience's attention back in the day.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
I would agree. So The Nightmare actually has the two
highest audience scores, the original at ninety four percent, and
then like you guys said, Part three is the next
highest out of all the movies at sixty eight percent

(25:38):
on the Tomato meter. So Nightmare Part four is actually
next at fifty six percent, tied with Friday Part six
also at fifty six I'm not going to go through
all of them, but I am gonna say that Friday
the thirteenth I was a little surprise because I thought

(26:01):
Part three was iconic because that's when he first dons
the hockey mask. And I just thought that was iconic.
That actually came in at just fourteen percent for Rotten Tomatoes.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
So now, remind me, before the hockey mask, what was
on his face justin it.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Was just it was a like almost like a potato
sack with a little whole for the one eye.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah, freakier than the hockey mask. To me, probably should
have just stuck with that because that's weird.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
I but I've said this before though, I think without
the hockey mask, I don't know that this series had
the legs that it did. I I there's, yeah, there's
something iconic about that from a marketing standpoint, from a
pop culture standpoint, that had he had they kept the sack,
I'm gonna I'm gonna go out on a limb here.

(26:51):
I think if they kept the sack, I don't know
that it makes it past the third installment. And this
is coming from a guy that loves Part two. I
think Jason in Part two is freaking all. Like what
Jim said, He's terrifying. He might be the most terrifying
Jason of all of them, just the way he moves
his the act, the way the actor moves his body
and all that. Some of the jump scares are fantastic,

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but there is something really creepy about that sack. But
I don't think this series has legs. If they would
have kept that look and not had the iconic hockey.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Mask, I agree. I agree, the hockey mask made it iconic,
made the character iconic, and without that, I don't think
you've got it. The lowest score is Friday the Thirteenth
Part eight at eleven percent. We'll get into We'll get
into a little bit more of that stuff right now.
So I think the next category I think we just

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kind of covered with the rotten tomatoes. But the best
debut film, which to me, is Nightmare Versus Friday the
Thirteenth Part two, Although if you guys want to make
the argument for Friday the Thirteenth, that's fine. Jason's only
really in it at the end. But if you went
Nightmare Versus Friday the Thirteenth, Part two, which one you
go in?

Speaker 4 (28:06):
So you're talking the First Nightmare versus Friday thirteenth Part two. Yes,
m I'm going Friday thirteenth Part two all the way.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
I if you were putting Friday thirteenth the original up
with Missus Vorhee says the killer versus the First Nightmare film,
the first Nightmare film takes it by far.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
It's a landslide.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
But I have so much love for Part two of
Friday thirteenth, and the jump scares not to mention Ginny
played by Emmy Steele is one of my favorite Final
Girls of all time. She's so intelligent in the way
she manipulates Jason mentally, is so creative and so cool,
and I think it became the template for what the
series would be going forward for Final Girls. That as

(28:50):
much as I think the First Nightmare film is great,
just my heart, I gotta go with Friday Part two.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
I just love it so much.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
I'm going with Nightmare on Elm Street.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
I kind of thought that, and I'm torn because everything
Justin said is true, you know, and it's so good.
But maybe because there were more Friday the thirteenths after
that that I saw before I ever saw Nightmare on
Elm Street. Nightmare on Elm Street was just so different.

(29:22):
In Friday the Thirteenth was kind of the same formula
over and over and over again. I would lean towards
Nightmare on Elm Street for the first one.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
I get.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Okay, So next category, best subtitle name for the sequels,
and I will run them down for you. So we've
got Freddy's Revenge for part two, Dream Warriors for part three,
the Dream Master for part four, the Dream Child for

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part five. For Friday the Thirteenth, we've got the Final
Chapter which was part four, a New Beginning which was
part four, Jason Lives is part six, the New Blood
is part seven, and Jason Takes Manhattan is party.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Where'd they get that from?

Speaker 1 (30:09):
The Muppets Take Manhattan's ridiculous?

Speaker 2 (30:14):
It was it had fallen off the cliff by then.
But Justin may disagree with that, but uh yeah, Part
eight was wild. So if you're going with a name
for any of those sequels, Lindsey, where do you go
I like.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
To I like Dream Warriors or Jason Lives.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Okay, do you want to think about that while we
go to Justin? Or do you want to pick.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Going with Jason Lives?

Speaker 2 (30:44):
All right, Justin?

Speaker 4 (30:47):
This is hard for me because, Yeah, Dream Warriors is
a great subtitle, it really is. I love it so
rock and roll too. Jason Lives is awesome because I
love the like paying homage to the Frankenstein thing and
that movie as well, which is really cool. Another reason
why I love it so much. So that's cool. I
think the new Blood is a kind of a cool
name as well. But I love the subtitle Jason Takes Manhattan.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
It just rolls off the tongue. I love it so much.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Plus I have such a soft spot for that movie,
Like everybody hates Part eight. Everybody picks on Part eight. Oh,
he's not in Manhattan very long. Oh, most of the
city shots are done in Vancouver. Oh it's Jason on
a boat. I don't care. It's so ridiculous, it's so amazing,

(31:34):
it's so neon, it's so colorful. When I talk about
pop culture, there is no more pop culture film in
any of these franchises to me than Jason Takes Manhattan.
Just the scenes of him on the subway and in
Times Square kicking the boombox. Listen, that movie's so freaking awesome.

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Jason Takes Manhattan's the subtitle for me.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
I love it all right.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
You guys both alluded to it earlier. My favorite name
for this is dream Warriors. I think that's a cool name.
Plus there's a song called dream Warriors by Dockin. I
had a feeling that's what you were going to go with,
and you know that song went with the movie, and
so it was just kind of perfect. But both of
your picks are fine. I don't have a problem with

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either one of them. I can't like blast you for it,
because it's not like it was a stupid pick. If
you had picked the dream Child, I may have said
that was a stupid.

Speaker 5 (32:31):
Pick, terrible, terrible son and a terrible movie. But we'll
get there, all right.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
So next category, scariest origin story.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Got burned a live child killer?

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Or you've got drowned boy come back to life as
a grown man.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Oh, the burned a live child killer.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
It just freaks me out and is melted cheese face.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
It's freaky, all right.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
Justin another one I'm a little torn on because I
think back to that original one and you get that
iconic jump scare of little Jason coming out of the
water to pull Adrian King's character into the water. Was
so freaky and such a great jump scare that kind
of reminds me of the Jump Scare and Carrie, and
I think probably without Carrie wouldn't have happened. But it's

(33:27):
so good that it makes me want to pick that,
but I can't. I agree with with Lindsey, the not
just the origin story of Freddy, but the way that
it leads to the idea of this demon, you know,
haunting your nightmares and killing you in your sleep is
so terrifying and so effective and so creative.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
I have to go with it.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yep, uh, yeah, I agree, And I do agree with
you that you know, in the original you think it's
over because she has defeated missus Vorhees and she's just
laying in the boat after sleeping all night, you know,
waiting for the police to show up, and all of
a sudden, drowned boy Jason just comes jumping out of

(34:11):
the water and grabs around her neck and pulls her
into the water. Absolutely terrifying even for somebody who's never
seen it. Yeah, I think I haven't seen it. They
replay it at the beginning of part two, all right,
So yeah, I'm gonna go with Burned a Life child
Killer too. Right, because he was obviously he was a

(34:32):
real life child killer who couldn't be caught by the police,
but the parents knew who he was, so they decided
to become vigilantes and hunt him down and burn him alive.
Which honestly, there was a child killer here and the
police couldn't get him. I'd probably lead the pitchforks too
with the people in the neighborhood. All right, So best

(34:56):
next category, best setting Camp Crystal Lake versus Elm Street justin,
I'll let you go first.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
All right.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
Like, the one thing I guess you could defend for
Nightmare on Elm Street is the whole tagline every town
housing Elm Street, So there's relatability there, but there is
no freaking way I can't go with the camp.

Speaker 5 (35:17):
I oh yeah, love the setting of a camp.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
And you know, you think about the imitators that spawned
from from this, from this series with other camp horror flicks,
because they realized how good the aesthetic was of a
camp around lakes, around water. It just really works for
a stalker coming after people.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
So it's the camp.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
There's just something about that isolated, camp, rustic setting that
that's just creepy, all, just in and of itself.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
It's creepy.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, So I'm gonna third this. And being out in
the woods to me is kind of freaky anyway. And
I mean, listen, we all got to fall asleep. But
Elm Street didn't really do it for me as far
as a setting. But man, you know, just having camp
counselors out there telling the tall Tale of Jason, right,

(36:17):
none of them believed it, and then the next thing
you know, he's there, and sometimes the different cabins and
all kinds of stuff. It's just it works perfectly for that.
So to me, it works better for the jump scares,
even though the you know, in a dream you can
do pretty much anything, but just the thought of being
in a cabin in the woods alone with no phones,

(36:39):
right and you know, a guy in a hockey mask
coming after you, it's it's horrifying, all right. So next
category we're gonna do. It's called the box office body count.
And so who raked in the most dollars throughout the
nineteen eighties? So if you just had to guess justin

(37:03):
which Friday the thirteenth made the most money?

Speaker 4 (37:10):
All right, Now, I know this is not the original
because I know what these franchises, the more they get
into it, the more money they seem to make until
they hit, you know, a point where it kind of
goes downhill with most things.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
But I would probably.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Say it's either three or four I think, and I
know it is a tricky because it's never the one
you think it is. I'm gonna say I'm gonna say
it's Part four because I think it came off of
the success of Part three, so a lot of people
flock to the theater, and then by five, I think it

(37:42):
went downhill big time. But I might be wrong, but
I'm gonna say it's the dream Master.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Oh for for Nightmare, Yes, okay, lindsay for Nightmare.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
I'm gonna say it never gets better than the first one, right,
because it's such a novelty in the beginning, it.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Is it is, but I think a lot of people
didn't know about it in the beginning, and that's why
it didn't make as much money.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Justin is right.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
It is Part four for Nightmare. It made about four
and a half million dollars more than Part three. So
Nightmare forty nine point three Part four forty nine point
three Part three forty four point eight, Part two thirty
the original twenty five and a half, and Part five

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was twenty two point one, So it was it was
the lowest.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
It dropped from.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
I think after part four people were kind of sick
of it.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
All right.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
So a total, though, of those five movies of one
hundred and seventy one million. So before we go on
to talk about which Friday made the most money, and
again we're not counting the original, I want to ask
you not counting the original Friday. So we've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,

(39:09):
we've got seven Fridays versus five Nightmares? Who made more money?
Which franchise made more money?

Speaker 1 (39:18):
I mean, I think just because Friday had more, I'm
gonna say it made more justin do you agree or disagree?

Speaker 4 (39:28):
No, I think I think it's probably close. But I
think Friday, just based on volume because they had more installments,
I'm gonna say they probably edged it out.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
You pull it was actually Nightmare Wow by eight million
dollars one hundred and seventy one total to one hundred
and sixty three million for the Fridays. Now again, if
you throw in the original Friday the thirteenth then you
guys are right. The sheer volume of it, you know,
takes it over. So which which Friday the thirteenth brought

(40:03):
in the most money? Which Friday the thirteenth? Six? Part
six Jason Lives justin.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
I feel like Part five didn't do I think maybe
Part five did better than it should have, because again
I think it came off the success of Part four.
And then I think Jason Lives probably suffered a bit
because of the reception to Part five. So I think
I think I'm gonna go similar to I did with
what I did with my logic with Nightmare. I think
I'm gonna go Part four. But I have a feeling

(40:41):
in this case I'm wrong. But I'm gonna say the
final chapter.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
You are wrong, and Lindsey is also wrong. It's actually
Part three.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
Oh okay.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Part three brought in thirty four and a half million,
Part four thirty three million, and you're right. Part five
is the next highest, higher than Part two at twenty
one point nine million. Now, I will say that Part
five did get my money. It was the first one
in the theater to get my money, and then maybe

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the last one until Jason goes to Hell to get
my money in the theater. But yeah, Part three at
thirty four and a half million, which is ironic because
that's the one that had the lowest audience score. M
all right, so who had the most victims during the

(41:40):
nineteen eighties.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
I'm gonna say Jason because he just went around just
hacking at people.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Yeah, I can't see that it's not Jason. I mean
there was in a lot of these installments. There was
literally fodder just for him to kill, characters that had
no purpose other than just play victim to him.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
Saw, it's gotta be Jason.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Has Freddy.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Freddy was a little more difficult because he had to
wait for him to go to sleep.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah, and yes, it is. It is Jason. You're both right.
It's not even close. Not counting Part five because that
wasn't Jason eighty six four for Freddie forty five, not
counting the nineteen children while he was still alive, because
that didn't happen on film. All right, this is a

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tough one. Best weapon a glove of knives or a machete,
even though we know Jason didn't always only use the machete,
but that was his main.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
So Freddy's glove still to this day freaks me out.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
That's all you got.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
I mean, what else is there, Freddy? Even now at
forty six years old, Freddie Glove of Knives still freaks
me out.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
There was that better?

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, you added much more color there.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
Justin uh So, although I think you could probably consider
the machete or even the acts he would use at times,
or many the other things maybe to be a.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
More effective tool for killing.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
I think I gotta edge it out with the glove
just because of creativity. He created it himself. He built
the glove himself. It's freaky looking. You just slide it
against metal to freak you out, like yeah, just to
play around. Then again, because he was a dream demon,
it went along with that, just to get inside your
head and to creep you out. So I think for

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that I have to give it to Freddy.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah, I agree. I also give it to the glove.
And I think you bring up a good point there.
Freddy was more psychologically scary because he would mess with
your head, right, He'd play games with you. I'll call
you on the telephone, you know, scrape the knives against
something metal. So yeah, for sure, I'm going also with

(44:10):
the Glove of Knives, Okay, which one of the characters
racked up the highest body count in any single film,
not altogether, but any single film.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Which character Jason?

Speaker 4 (44:31):
Yeah, I think it's probably closer in single film, but
I'm probably still gonna lean towards Jason, even if it's
by only a couple.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Okay, you guys are both correct.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
It is Jason.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Do you want to guess what episode he got the most,
and I'll let you know.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
He got eighteen eighteen Part three.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go. What did you say, lindsay?

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Part three?

Speaker 5 (45:07):
Three?

Speaker 4 (45:09):
Yeah, that's what I'm kind of leaning towards. But man, hell,
why I'm over thinking. I'm gonna go part four?

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Okay, see, I would have also went three or four. Uh,
but I know the answer, and it's actually six and
eight where he got eighteen in each movie unless in
part eight you want to count the twenty nine students
on a ship when he sink it. But I'm not
counting that, all right. Next category, second to last, the

(45:42):
pent ultimate category, fashion slash costume. Do you like the
sweater in Fedora or the coveralls in hockey mask?

Speaker 3 (45:59):
So that's why, And that Fedora that was ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
I was in fifth grade in class with the girl
that had a Freddy sweater that she wore every other
day to school.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
I always felt bad for her, have a feeling she
didn't get to say. So in that I gotta go
with Jason's outfit, I too.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Will go with the hockey mask and the coveralls. I
think the Freddy and the sweater and the fedora, I.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Mean that is kind of genius.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
But yeah, you know, the sweater and the fedora is freaky,
especially when you add the glove of knives with it,
and you probably saw more people dressed on Halloween as
Freddie than you did as Jason. Right, But the hockey mask,
to me is just so iconic, and like you said justin,
I believe it's the only reason why the franchise kept going.
If he doesn't don that hockey mask in part three,

(46:54):
then he then it doesn't make it. And I've got
a question for you after you after you answer.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
Yeah, well, much like you guys, I think the hockey
mask kind of seals the deal here. But I will
also say that Jason takes on a couple different looks
throughout the series, because obviously he had the coveralls in
part seven eight and even goes to hell. But if
you remember in part six, it's actually my favorite look

(47:24):
of his. He not only obviously has the hockey mask,
but if you remember in that one, he has like
a button shirt. He has got like, I don't know,
like a gray pair of like khaki pants. But the
best part about that movie is the tool belt. Do
you remember he wore the tool Oh.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
My gosh, I had forgotten about that. I've only seen
part six. I think one's justin so.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
That that tool and it's the it's the only one
that he also wears a pair of like leather work
gloves as well. What I love so much about it
is not only that it looks different than the rest
of them, but it's almost like, here's the Jason who.
By the way, it's the first time we get the
back from dead Jason, to which I adore. But it
it's the idea that he looks like he's going to work,

(48:03):
and I don't know, I just love the like the
hot the Halloween costume that I wear when I'm Jason,
that's the one.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
It's Jason lives.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
I got the belt, I got the gloves, I got
the machete, all that because I love the look of
Jason going to work.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Jason go I like that.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
So I gotta ask you because we know that he
dons the hockey mask in part three, and we know
that he had like the potato sack or burlap sack
or whatever it was in part two, and it was
kind of tight around the neck, right, if I'm not mistaken,
like with some kind of twine or something. Correct, what
was he wearing at the beginning of part three? Was
he still did he still have that burlap sack and

(48:47):
it got ripped off, and that's why he done the
hockey mask. I don't remember. It's been so long.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
From what I remember, I don't think he's wearing anything
on his head. I think they just kind of disguise
that you can't see his face until he finally and
he gets that hockey mask. Well, no, it does take
a while because Shelley, the character of Shelley's the one
that brings the hockey mask with him, and that's when
he gets it. But I think all the way up

(49:12):
to that point, they disguise his face where the camera
never kind of looks above like Sternham level. So I
think that's kind of how they work around that.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Okay, yeah, because I remember when he donned the hockey
mask and I was like, whoa, it was just so cool.

Speaker 5 (49:30):
To quote Jim Ross business picked up.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
All right. Final category before we get to our final judgment,
who would you least want after you?

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Hmm by This is a tough one because Jason Vorhees
is a force.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
This guy's after me.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
I'm in trouble, like because he's already proved, especially when
he becomes supernatural.

Speaker 5 (50:05):
You can't outrun him. He's gonna find you.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
But what I will say about Jason, for the most part,
if you stay the hell away from Crystal Lake, okay.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
But then I guess an.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Argument could be made that if you're not one of
the Elm Street children, or if you're not one of
the children that were friends that got brought into a
nightmare and all that stuff, the essentially you might be
okay too.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
But if we just look at it, like I get popped.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
Into one of these situations without me having a choice,
I'm probably gonna say I want to stay the hell
away from Freddie because I think the fact, like Lindsay said,
you have to sleep and unless you have the power
to control those dreams and stop Freddie. You're kind of
at his mercy. You become, you know, very vulnerable, very quickly,

(50:54):
where with Jason, hopefully you're fast. You can run, you
can get a car, you can drive away and get
out of there. But with Freddie there's no escape. If
he controls your nightmares, you're in trouble.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
And that's kind of what I was thinking. You know, Okay,
I'll stay away from Jason. I just won't go to
summer camp. But at some point, no matter what I do,
and no matter how many pepsis I drink, I'm gonna
doze off at some point, and that's where Freddy's gonna

(51:25):
get me.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Yeah, I'm thinking the exact same thing. I'm right there
with you guys. You got to go to sleep, you know,
And like Justin said, if you can't control those dreams,
then you can't control those dreams. And with Jason, I
just feel like the woods is a big place. You know,

(51:48):
you see him taking out your friend in the cabin.
You're in the woods and you just take off, like.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
But they always trip.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
I know, they always trip because the woods is full
of roots and stuff. But you know, I I have
an accurate It doesn't ever not start. It's not a
Volkswagen Beetle that doesn't start in the eighties. So I
think I'm gonna be okay. So yeah, I'd least like
Freddy after me. All right, So it's final judgment time.

(52:18):
Who was the winner? Who was the king of horror
going into the nineties? Make your case. Just don't give
me a a it was Jason or it was Freddy.
Make your case for it like that.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Uh, Justin could do that, you don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
I'm pretty sure to do that.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
I'm not going to do that.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Okay, ask the question again, what what's the question? Because
now I'm nervous. I'm you won't like my answer. No,
your third grade again. No, your answer is your answer.
There is no right or wrong. Okay, all right, this
is just each one of us question who is the winner?
Who was the king of horror going into the nineties.
I think Jason is more like classic horror, which there's

(53:07):
something to be said for that, like the Boogeyman in
the dark kind of a thing. But I'm gonna go
with Freddy because I feel like Freddie was the total
package and we had never seen a Freddie before.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
And that like he was broke the mold.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
It was unlike anything that us kids had ever seen
and more than what we could have ever have dreamed up.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Yeah, no pun intendment. So I've got to go with Freddie.
There was that long enough for.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
You, no comment, justin.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
Can I go a couple of minutes?

Speaker 2 (53:48):
You know what, I'm gonna go before you because I
feel like You're gonna be more eloquent than I am
and have more reasons than I do. So normally I
let the guests go first, but I'll go before you
just be I think you're gonna wrap it up the best.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
Okay, I am going it is.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
This one's a tough one for me because everything Lindsay
said is true. We had never seen anything like Freddie.
Freddie had a personality right, Freddie was full of jokes,
but I felt like at the end of the eighties
Freddie had become a joke. I am wearing a Red

(54:28):
Camp Crystal Lake Counselor T shirt for a reason, and
that reason is because that man with his coveralls in
the hockey mask and.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Then later on with his tool belt going to work
was so dang.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Frightening to me as a kid, even as I got
up to be like thirteen fourteen, it was still frightening
to me. Jason scared the tar out of me. To me,
he didn't talk right, He had no personality. He was
just a large, strong, agile, fast, killing machine. He didn't

(55:13):
have to use the machete. He could use a harpoon
because in three D that harpoon's coming right action, and
Jason is the winner for me, justin take it away.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
All right, all right, thank you.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
I'm I'm gonna try not to go too long, because
I could go pretty long here, because there's a lot
of things I want to say about both of these
fantastic Yeah, no, no, all right, thank you. These are
two fantastic horror characters, and you guys both made such
great points. I want to start with something Lindsay said.
I love that you brought up to Jason's a lot
like the Universal Monsters, because he really is. And I

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love that so much about his character because during the
decade of Excess that that wasn't necessarily common ground anymore.

Speaker 5 (56:02):
Universal Monsters was old school.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
They no one cared anymore, but they but they utilized it,
and they leaned in on that a little bit, especially
when I look at Jason lives when I said about
how the whole Frankenstein's Monster thing was brought into which
was so cool. The stalking thing was very reminiscent of
a Frankenstein's Monster, and I love that so much about it.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
So there's that great point.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
Then you guys both talked about the creativity of this
character of Freddy Krueger was like nothing ever in horror
up to this point. Sure was there creative horror villains
and characters in the seventies and early ages, absolutely, but
there was nothing ever quite like Freddy Krueger, and quite honestly,
there hasn't been one since, maybe one of the most

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creative and innovative horror and antagonist and villains of all time.
And then Jim made a great point until Freddy became
a joke, which, let us face it, he became a
Jason didn't do that. So I want to talk about
something outside of the movies. In addition to what these

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characters were on screen, they became pop culture icons. Freddy
Krueger and Robert Englin as Freddy Krueger became a bonafide
rock star Injury Master. This guy was rapping with the
Fat Boys, Okay, this guy was on MTV. This guy

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was hosting a TV show that was made in his honor.
This guy was all over the place. He was no
longer a horror villain. He was a rock star. Let's
face it, there was Halloween costumes with this guy. He
was all over the place. And then again, like you
said on screen, in character, he became a joke. He

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was no longer scary. He's throwing out one liners that
are bad, not even funny anymore. And then that series
kind of went out on a whimper. So let's look
at Jason, also an icon. The hockey mask. Jason takes Manhattan.
He's in the big city. He's looking up at a

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billboard that has a hockey mask. They're plying around with
that as he looks at the camera. He's got all
that going for him. On top of all that. In
nineteen eighty nine, Jason Voorh's is on the Arcinio Hall
Show in full character, no dialogue.

Speaker 5 (58:32):
He just sits down and.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
Urcineo takes care of the rest and Caine Hodder stays
in character the whole time. This guy, in his own way,
with saying no words at all, becomes an icon of
pop culture as well. So you got two iconic pop
culture characters in horror in the nineteen eighties, which one
is the King of horror. As we exit the eighties,

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I gotta go Jason as well. So Freddie on screen
and in character, I feel like the dream Master was
his peak MTV time, the Freddie Nightmares comes out, and
then dream Child comes out and is not great, and
Freddie is a joke at this point and people have
had their fill of him.

Speaker 5 (59:18):
And even though.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
Jason with Jason takes Manhattan kind of we know it's
past its prime, they're both coming to their end. They're
both gonna have their final installments in a lot of ways,
before reboots and everything. I still feel at the end
of the eighties, Jason comes out in a much better light.
I think he's still more iconic. Between the universal Monster thing,

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between the fact that Jim said he's still scary and
all that stuff, I think he takes it.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
He's the King.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
He killed more, he stalked more, he went on quite
a journey as a character, and as innovatives as Freddie
was as a character, I think Jason takes it. And
on top of all that, I love Jason for he said,
can't help it. He's my favorite character of all time,
my boy Jason.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Very well sad.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Yeah, I love the fact that you said that Freddie
was a rock star because he really was.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Like we would go to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Fright Fest at six Flags, and there was always a
Freddie there, Right, wasn't always a Jason, there wasn't always
a Michael Myers there, but there was always a Freddie there.
So he was a rock star for a while. And
I think if it stops at either Dream Warriors or
Dream Maaster, I think Freddie maybe wins this category for me.

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But yeah, he did come with the bad one liners.
It was almost like he had been watching, you know,
Arnold Schwarzenegger movies and thought he could one up Arnold
with his one liners. And yeah, it just kind of
became a joke. And that's why. And honestly, if I'm
being one hundred percent honest, even to me, and I
know that you love it, but to me, Jason Goes

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to Manhattan was a joke. But he still didn't talk,
and he was still scary, and Freddy was no longer
scary to me anymore. So that's why I went with them.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
So Freddy just went a couple of movies too long?

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Yeah, just yeah, well yes for the eighties, just one
movie too long. But yeah, then he had what did
he have? Just one more? Was it? The Final Nightmare
was part six?

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
Or well, well, well we have Freddy, we have Freddy's Dead,
which to me is the worst one.

Speaker 5 (01:01:34):
I absolutely hate it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
Robert England is awful and it the one liners are terrible,
the makeup is awful. Freddy's Dead is an abomination. But
they do have the the movie Wes Craven's New Nightmare.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
Which is really good.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's a great movie, but that's not really
Freddy Krueger. It's more of like this dream Demon in
like the Guys of Freddy Krueger. So it's a completely
different character. It's more meta. It's a great story. But yeah,
like you said, when it comes to dream Child and
Freddy's Dead, just it's the death of the character in
a lot of ways. And I think that's why New

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New Nightmare worked because it was a completely different spin.
Plus I didn't even really talk about Wes Craven the
Master of Horror, which is a big reason why the
first one's so great. But when Wes Craven comes back
in and does this brand new story using kind of
like the lineage of the characters in this series.

Speaker 5 (01:02:26):
It really worked out well, Yeah, I would.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Agree with that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
What about Jason? Did they help because he had more movies?
He did?

Speaker 5 (01:02:36):
Well? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
After they sent him the hell Jason came back and
he went to Space Baby, and it's a great.

Speaker 5 (01:02:43):
Movie that people hate.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Jason X. Jason X is amazing. It's so campy, it's
so bad.

Speaker 5 (01:02:51):
It's so weird, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
It's from two thousand and one. It's like nothing else.
It is so freaking good. I would rather watch Jason
X than The Dream Child or Freddy's Dead any day.

Speaker 5 (01:03:03):
Jason X is awesome, very underrated.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Went to outer Space.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
He sure did, and he becomes Uber Jason, which is
a whole nother thing.

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
You gotta see it to understand. It is amazing. It's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
I'm so confused.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
It's amazing in the so bad it's good territory. Plus
being a guy who loves the Alien series and is
kind of big into sci fi, it incorporates some of that.
It's so much fun. I love it so much. I
think I'm gonna go and watch Jason X after.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
I gotta know, did you like the reboot with Jared Padilaki.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
So I will say this because we haven't touched on that,
And again, I know this is outside of what you
guys do with the eighties, But when you you made
the comparison of both films having their their reboots or
their remakes or whatever you want to call them. The
Friday the thirteenth, two thousand and nine reboot, if you will,
because I think it's more of a reboot than a remake,

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because that thing does some different things.

Speaker 5 (01:04:06):
I actually respect that movie.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
There's a lot of things I don't like about it,
but there's a lot of things I really do like.
For example, Derek Meers, who plays Jason, is incredible. Like
you want to talk about a force. He might be
the most intimidating Jason I've ever seen. He's so sudden
in that movie. His movements, the way he comes right
at the characters, the way they incorporate him using all

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these different weapons is so is so great because it
brings up all the things that the character did throughout
the series. They pay homage to the Sack in the
beginning he gets the mask, the hockey mask right away.
It's an inspired reboot that I think has a lot
of merit. The Nightmare on Elm Street reboot in a
lot of ways his trash. It's not a good movie.

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Jackie Earlhley is a great actor, He's not great as
Freddy Krueger.

Speaker 5 (01:04:55):
It just is what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
I'm sorry, No one's quite Robert England. He doesn't have
the charm, I think charisma that was needed for the character.
There's things the movie does that's interesting, like they do
these micro dreams things where I like that they play
around the idea that if you don't sleep, eventually your
mind's gonna start to slip in and out of consciousness
even when you're awake, and they play around with that,
and the way they do it in the movie looks

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really cool. But for the film in total, it's not
a great movie. And I think that's a big reason
why the Nightmare on Elm Street series has kind of
been dead since then. You could say the same with
Friday the Thirteenth. I don't know why we haven't gotten
a proper film. Eventually, as you said, a TV show
seems to be coming. I have reservations about what it's

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gonna be like though, I think it's gonna take itself
too serious.

Speaker 5 (01:05:43):
But in a nutshell, I know I went.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
Kind of long on this, but yeah, I think of
the two, I really respect a lot of what they
did with the Friday the Thirteenth reboot, But the Nightmroure
on Elm Street remake, if I never see it again
in the rest of my life, that's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
All right, There you have it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Well, folks, we woult to know what you think. Who
was the king of horror going into the nineties? Who
was your favorite? You know, who was more iconic? Was
it the hockey mask? Was it the fedora in the sweater?
Was there a particular movie that you liked more than
the others? So to me, Nightmare the Original Nightmare is
the best movie on this list. But if I'm picking

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a Friday the thirteenth, I'm probably going Part four, the
final chapter. But you know, I could be arguing into
part three as well, So that's where I'm going. So, Lindsey,
final thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
I think I'm ready.

Speaker 5 (01:06:40):
Let's go watch Jason next.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
No, let's go watch Jason Lives.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Jason Lives. Okay, Okay, yep, I can see that. I
may have given the theater my money for that one too.
I know I gave it for part five for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
So let's do Jason Lives and Dream Warriors.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Okay, okay, Patricia Arcuatt's first movie, Dream Warriors.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
He's a great double feature.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
By the way, Dream Warriors and Jason Lives. Absolutely, that
might be our Halloween night.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
There you go?

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
All right, well, justin why don't you plug your show?
What do you got coming up? So this is gonna
air the Wednesday before Halloween, so you'll have an episode
that the next day, Thursday. So what do you got
coming up?

Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
So thanks again for having me. It's always a blast
talking you guys. I was so happy to come back.
And as you can tell, I love Friday the thirteenth
to night Mere on Elm Street so much. I could
go on for hours and hours and hours, but I won't. Instead,
why don't you go check out Pop Culture Reflections? And yes,
I do have a finally in October because my October
has not been based on Halloween or horror because I've

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not so much stuff in advance, but I am doing
a Halloween specific episode that will drop on that Thursday,
and it's gonna be all about retro Halloween variety topics,
all about like candy and trick or treating and and
and a horror themed or I should see Halloween theme
songs kind of like you guys did, and then horror

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movies and stuff like that. So it's a little bit
of a popoury Halloween episode that's coming up, so be
on the lookout for that. And then in November, I
got a lot of stuff coming. I got some interviews
coming with some people. I got some movie reviews as always,
I got another great pro wrestling show coming up. And
I am very excited to say that in when I

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talked about interviews, I am interviewing a band that I
really love. And having the opportunity to sit sit down
with a band artist that you really enjoy is something
I never thought I was gonna be able to do
on my show. So that's coming up and the near future,
so I'm really looking forward to that. And so yeah,
please go check it out. And also the network I'm
part of, You Run Podcast Network, such great shows on there.

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Go check them out at you run podcast dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
All right, awesome, Yeah, go check it out. Great show.
Love it if you like pop culture. Justin's always got
something for you, see, whether it's movies, music, television, you know,
just pote puri, fun stuff, like he said for Halloween,
always good stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:09:11):
Well, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
You can find us on all the socials Jim what's
our hand at Children of Underscore Eighties.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
You can also email us at Children of the nineteen
Eighties at gmail dot com, although I do have to
say that only besides Justin, only one other person has
ever emailed us, so I don't see that happening. But
we do get hit up on Twitter and Facebook and
Instagram a lot, so that's always fun. So until next time,
I'm Jim

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
And I'm Lindsey, and we are Children of the Eighties.