Episode 325 w/ Ja Rule & Irv Gotti

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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just wanted to be to see your point and oh
that's normous baas an catch on. What up is d
J e f N. That's a type of crazy war radio.
Even though it's the wrong show. This is drink Chaps up.
Have you? Let's we have both of these brothers on
the show separately, the alumni, they're both alumnis. Think this

(01:13):
is I think it's job second time getting flowers. I
think he's the first. He was the first one. I
think he was the first one that got flowers sec seconds. Okay,
but let's just let's just get this intro. We got
a call from a powerful conglomerate, Black conglomerate. And they said,
we got something called the Murder Inc. Documentary to Murder

(01:35):
Incis and we said for real, and I'm glessa say, so,
how was it? Because we've seen BT do the rough
Rider documentary, We've seen BT do the uh Dope both
of them dope docs. This is talking about queens. This

(01:58):
is bringing back to the queens. Get the money. So
in case you guys don't know who the funk I'm
talking about, we're talking about one of the greatest producers
of all times, and we're talking about one of the
illest creative people of all times. And everyone is still
fighting his style right now to this day. Yes, if
you singing, motherfucker, yes, yeah, you don't know what the

(02:23):
funk I'm talking about talking about the one only God.
Let's get drunk up. Let me my thing, hello, let

(02:44):
me ask, let me say something. The minute I put
it out on on Twitter, I said, um, I got
earth Gotti and Ja Rule the very first questions that
they bombarded this would they ever do a Murder Inc. Versus?
Which was crazy cause I'm on the way listening to
the Murder In catalog and I'm like, damn. I think

(03:07):
rule kind of segmented when he did the verses with
you with that, Joe, I think he kind of semented
like we ain't nothing funk with like we ain't nothing
like the Murdering Catalog. I mean, what did they say?

(03:29):
You get twenty hits? Yeah? Come on, but against a crew?
I mean I think I think you gotta go more
than twenty if you do a cruise, right, Yeah, you
gotta think you gotta expanded a little bit, right, Okay?
So who would you want to go again? Would you
gotta do like fifty fifty records? Right? Okay? Something? Who

(03:53):
would you think you got against murder inc Against who?
It would have to be bad Boy, which is the
only the only thing comparable compared that's a rocket. Make
sure we leave. I'm saying I can't. I can't go.
I can't. I can't say Dre because the music is different,
right right, you know what I'm saying. It's hard going
against them gangsters records. I'm not gonna lie to you.

(04:13):
Gott you. Listening to the murder In Catalog just now,
I was like, Sam, I totally forgot how much it's countless.
It's just a lot and That's why I said, you know,
the only the only thing would be bad boy. That's it,
because I'm gonna tell you so. I was one of
my favorite records and you're rocking with me. I don't
know if you remember. I went on tour with Cadillac Top.

(04:35):
This is when y'all was on fire and Calillac Cadillac
Top was like the first nigger to come out, and
I was the headliner, and I made Cadillac Talk come
back out because I had love for murders before I would.
It's a hard case. What's he doing? You know what
I'm saying. But over to the side, okay, okay, and

(04:57):
you gotta immediately noticed your watch. That does a always
the perpetual master. That's yes, that is a master. It's
a masterpiece. I don't even really like the jewelry I
wore my rocket fell and chainman. Okay, skip over that watch, sir, Okay,
that is not let's see. I got the ring. It's
like we creticed to watching. It's tri color. It's platform. Listen, listen.

(05:20):
Not too many people, Hey, hey, ruin one No, no, no,
who outside today? Yo? Yo? Holdly nor your man gotta
protect I've seen it yes, that's what he's outside today,
but not seeing he's said, he's streaming that right. Hold on,

(05:40):
this is you can change the face on it. Your
face on that first person. You know you do not
earlier the n f T s earlier explain it. Oh shit,
you know what's so good about this one? Nobody has that.

(06:01):
That is very limited. No, you know what's so dope
about this watch? That's coincides with the murdering story, a documentary,
a shanty. But this I hold hold some talk about

(06:21):
I want to know something as we dig into these stories.
I'm twenty years deep and more with the family and
that you got you sh Grave, don't talk to Let's
tell him. No, I don't know everything, you honest. I'm
just being my eyes side of my Let me see.
Let me read you read Grave. It's very neat. I

(06:47):
can't see it. You see we tried that before we
bring Let me give a good talking back. Let me see.
Let me see you can't get that watch no more that.
Let me get my good glasses out of the bag. Man,
everybody Drew say something love love, Let me see hold
im gonna read it, hold on, get my get my

(07:10):
get up on the old man to expect. Okay, love
the firs. Scription didn't you never seen that? Always? Okay

(07:31):
you see if you see that, Damn, I still can't
see it says is your memory. I think you change
change lives. You change lives. Yeah, that's what it says.
Changed forever forever love and shot um wait yeah, fuck

(07:55):
you that's whatever he changed lives forever love, Ashanti. You
know that was immediately something that I noticed when I
watched the Shanty's um Walk of Fame. I immediately said,

(08:20):
mister Lemnzo, it's not dere what what? And I felt
like you was a hate that kind of kind of
say hate it. I just you're not invited. I'm not
inviting to those things with me and hand like you
know what I'm saying. You got relations like I felt
like me to me looking for the outside of looking in.
That's an inside that's the outside of but outside looking

(08:41):
at it nonetheless, right right, you understand that I don't know.
You probably didn't, but you did. We're talking about but
but I just want because I wanted like I felt,
I never hated no, no anyone out phrase that remove
I am never hate me. You phrase Auntie, uh created

(09:02):
it made history right, right, But we just I don't
see how the eye with her anymore. Let me let
me explain what I meant, right, because the week after that,
I went to DJ College. I always pronounced his name wrong,
and I got to see Jay. I got to see Diddy,
and I got to see Fat Joe, and I got
to see you know, Corey and all these other people

(09:23):
that was behind the scenes of college that probably didn't
necessarily get those big pictures, like you know, you know what,
you know, you know the stuff very then you get
the stars them three pictures. Hold on, we got kaleg
probably called them and asked them to do that. But
when I went to college and called me and I
showed up. But um, when I went back, I was like, damn,
I wanted to see Goddy. I wanted to see you there,

(09:44):
whether you invited or not, to just throw the murder
in behind her. When you know when they put up
like you know, when they put their hands on it,
they I don't even know if that's the thing. I
mean when they do Hollywood ship. I wanted God to
be like this with you, with your with your murder
ain't signed behind. I'm just for peace, and I want
everybody to be in harmony and peace, not not not

(10:08):
to say that we gotta hang out and and you know,
and and create and do things together, but be at pencil.
When it's time for us to come together for things
like this, it can be a movement for the whole.
You know, Faiz, you don't I'm a cancer, but listen,

(10:38):
I'm gonna cancer, okay, but cheerlead. I love hard and
I don't love hard. Got you know what I'm saying. Listen,
we were cheerleader though, right I was cheerleader watching the ceremony.
Here's didn't watching. Here's the thing, here's the thing. We
created something special with you. I didn't watch you. We
created something special even marked act and watched and it's

(11:01):
like they're coming up for all of us and twenty
for a Sean tele twenties past. And because you was
at the ceremony. Listen. When we did the doc, we
tried to get a shant three different times. She turned
it down each each and every time. So what I said,

(11:22):
what I like to say is just the other side
I've We've tried. When we flirted with the idea of
doing the Murder Inc Reunion tour, I love that idea. Yeah,
she turned it down. I'm never working with y'all basically,
So you know when when isn't about the masters. I
watched the Breakface Club. Listen, listen, listen, listen. Let's speak

(11:45):
on the masters. I know that's gonna come up. First
of all, I'm not I'm not like Lucy and Grange
from from from Empire. No, Lucy and Grange owns or
is he runs the universe of some music groups. Oh,
that's when I'm not Lucy. I ain't that you're seeing.

(12:10):
Grange ain't giving nobody back their masters, and he owned
thousands of him. I own the hot Maybe Lucy and
Grange wasn't in the studio what you're making? Those records
I made. I made those Ashanti records. Can you rock
with me? Oh? I made those records, you know what
I'm saying. Like she wrote them, but she wrote them

(12:32):
with the help of me telling her what to write
and all of y'all whoever knows me. I don't lie,
I don't, I don't. I'm not a liar, you know
what I'm saying. But I helped make those records, so
I I owned them. Like hey, me and rud were
talking today, and I'm not gonna say no numbers. But

(12:54):
it's like artists. I never signed my artists to three
sixty deals. I to say, give me some of your
show money or your mentor you could have. You could
because Leo's a three sixty, three sixty. You look up
three sixties. But I never did that. I was I
feel I was always very good to my audists before

(13:16):
all time, just to be fair before all right, but
what I'm saying, no, but listen, let me make this statement.
Artists have a way of getting money. Rule makes a
lot of money he does doing shows. A Shan Tim
makes a lot of money doing shows. So what's left

(13:37):
for the guy who was the record label, who helped
make the records? What how I make money out of this?
Is the masterest? So how am I supposed to feel
when you want to remove that aspect, you really basically
saying you don't want Sunny j J and Angie my
beautiful kids, you don't want them to eat? Is there compromised?

(13:58):
Because we heard when she's that she said that she
asked for the instrumentals back that let's let's definitely address that.
I'm trying to be good at this camera. I'm not
falling for the banana and the tailpipe. I know what
this is, exactly where we're going. She's been performing for

(14:21):
twenty years. She's never asked for her stems. She's asking
for her stems because here's what I suggests happened. She
went in the studio and tried to redo Babe, Baby
Mary Jan you can't do that. You couldn't do that.
That's where we took it from, right. So she probably
went in the studio tried to recreate this and fell

(14:45):
drastically short with people saying that don't sound like what
they did. I need my stems. You know what stems are.
So you want me to give you the stems of
your whole album now after twenties, so you're saying you
need different shows. You want to take my stems, and
now you're gonna be able to remake your album and

(15:06):
you wouldn't be able to get a dollar of that.
I don't, I didn't never. I still eat off of
it because I owned the publish here. Okay, okay, okay,
And let me you know. When she'd be on the
shows and she's like, I'm gonna spits it up and
jazz it up. Is this the camera a shanty? You
cannot sprits it up, You cannot jazz it up. The

(15:27):
minute you put some spritsy and jazz it up, it's
not a cover. So when it's not a cover, now
it has to come back to me to cleare it.
Let me give you an example of shanty. We had
this record with Vita called Justify My Love the Madonna.
We redid that record and we sprints it up. We

(15:49):
Vita spitter verse. Madonna said rejected, No, that's my classic.
We took the verse off and we made that record
identically the same to Lenny Kravitz his ad libs. Ashanti
did the ad libs, but we had to make it identical.
If you change anything, it reverts back to the writers

(16:11):
to clear it. Aw Let me just give you the
answer now, no no, So it's up to you and
whatever bullshit players and musicians. You have to recreate the
magic that we made me chink and all you got

(16:35):
to answer. Lets you want to say, I'm glad because
i just want things, and you know it's it's crazy
because I'm caught in the middle of this ship. Right.
You know what I'm saying. You are not really not really. Honestly,
I'm not what I am about the fault because that's

(16:57):
nothing to fucking do with me, You understanding. But I
think you're like an owner murdering something, right, I'm you know,
don't do that, don't do that. But but you know
that that's that's that's that's not that's not even because

(17:17):
put your artist. The point is this, I'm a different
type of an artist. I see both sides of the argument. Um,
you know, all artists want their masters back. It's just
it's just it's just the new masters. That's just what
artists want. The people you're really entertainment makes you buy

(17:41):
you back all However, the fucking gotta go about your business.
But there is there is a way to get your masters,
you know what I'm saying. It's just like this argument
doesn't have to take place. He's gonna have to buy
it back from this guy named Olivier Chasting. He sounds dangerous.

(18:03):
He's a veryon their Frenchman and he's he's my guy,
and I'm entering to deal with him for a lot
of money. I'm supposed to make some moist to that.
I believe we gotta make some moms. I gonna go
ahead and say it. And I even I ain't even drunk,
but I signed a letter of intent. It's like two

(18:24):
dollars not just the not just the catalog, but to
give me funding for visionary ideas. So what we're looking
at now is I will own my TV, my movies

(18:46):
did I make. I am fully funded with a partner.
I have like a two hundred million line of credit
where I could go out and be who I'm supposed
to be in this motherfucker. So not just it was
a conversation actually I had with Mark Lazie. Mark laze
is a billion and friend. He owns the Milwaukee Bucks.
And I was over his house one day. Is a

(19:06):
beautiful home. Yeah, and I'm sitting here. I'm sitting there
and I was just shooting the ship, to be honest
with you, and I was just telling them all that.
He's like, what's going on, and like, naw, I'm like
dream works, yo, I'm like, you know, you know, being braggadocious.
I'm like, you know, I I direct, I produced, I
make this ship, I write this ship, I do everything.
And when I finished, he looked at me and said, yo,

(19:29):
you said everything but the right thing, and I was like,
what are you talking about? He said, you don't own it,
and then he proceeded to drill in my head you
cannot sell what you don't own. So we was talking
in every two minutes, he would stopped and saying, Yo,
you can't sell what you don't own. He drilled it
in my head. But I was like, yo, TV series, like,

(19:50):
I'm making this TV series with my BT family called
Tracking Queens. It's like thirty million. You know, TV series
is three million in that ten naps. So I said, Joe,
I ain't got the money to do that, and then
he said that it was shipped to me. He said,
getting the money is nothing. He said, there's so many

(20:14):
people out here, hedge funds, rich guys that got billions
of dollars to invest in the entertainment business. He said,
what they don't have, Gotti. You You have all ideas,
the creativity and then know how to make it experience.
He said, all you need is the bread. So we're

(20:35):
gonna get you the bread. Another big guys, Zach Harror
was Zach Carlis used to be the the CEO of
the Universal Music Group. And I like to say this,
this is maybe a tab racist or whatever. Right, but
now I'm not listen. It's good racist though there's nothing

(20:59):
listen Listen said there is nothing better in the world
than having a rich, successful white man blow you up
to another rich, successful white man. It resonates kind of
harder when Zach calls Olivier and like, y'oall god, he

(21:19):
made the universal music group billions. You need to get
behind this small fucker. He's gonna he's gonna be successful,
he's gonna win, and you know, and then incredible things happened,
like two d fifty million dollar deals. Jesus, you also

(21:43):
got the icon. Yeah, so what what is what? Tell
tell us because people are explaying with icon. You just
had to stray kwon console. He just showed me crazy.
I was in l A four he jibs onto something
humongous with these vibe getting these these legendary artists to

(22:03):
perform their legendary albums. Everyone needs to see it everythough,
So tell us about a job. What was the first one?
The first one was you right? Yeah? I think the
first one. Okay, let me let you know we're not
okay yea yea yeah. You know. What's what else? They
got some pre roles. Yeah, these are pre roles. We

(22:25):
gotta ma in stores in California just in case y'all
this you're just crazy wants not Okay, Yeah, yeah, I
forgot you. You give me that got that live residence
to be this is let me get this strong turn us. Okay.

(22:48):
So Icon is my live streaming platform. Okay, dope platform.
Vibes concert Series is uh series I created to be
on the play. It's just sexy. Let's just subscribed to
the people. It's sexy's growning sexy hip hop fly ship.
Not so many people got face tattoos and now it's
just growing sexy hip hop fly ship, you know what

(23:10):
I mean. Like, you know, I wanted to bring back
a nice vibe of us getting dressed up, going out
to spots, then a drinks, artists performing with live band,
you know, the whole, the whole vibe of that. So
that's what Vib's Concerts is. And I did the first one,

(23:30):
you know, sooning and Booty. I did my album paying
his Love, And that's that's what all this is. That's
what it's about. This about artists doing their classic albums,
you know, rendition of their classic albums. And I did
the whole. You do other songs if you can make
it your own. That's what you know. It's called the vibe,
so you can kind of do other things. Raidham did wave.

(23:52):
I just want to face the crush it. They went
way beyond what I thought they was gonna do. You
know what I mean. They was out there having a
good time. You know, once you get in and get
your suit on and know you f you know you
called me. You know, SA think you called me. You
said what should I do that? And I think we agreed.
It was like you and and and they can't do

(24:16):
and destroyed it. What else is in it? You good
found Jeffrey, you will be cared for to tell you
what you taste a little exactly. It's not rest called

(24:37):
so it is something else. It's what they do dads
in you know what they do dads And it's Jeffrey, Yeah, yeah, yes,
it's real, real ship that one. And then in this
smo chance no chance one got it different. Get up here.
You think he's put in there? They we rules, so

(25:02):
it's not it. Don't it don't taste like they're telling me.
It's live haro beauty. The beautiful thing about your relationship.

(25:26):
Right is like most people were like, oh uh, Like
for the verses for instance, right job was there. It's
almost like you was dead by yourself. But even though
God he wasn't dead, your presence was felt like you
made sure that your presence was like, no disrespect to
fat Joe, Right, but I knew what was gonna happen.

(25:46):
It's but so many records, right, it's but so many records.
You're gonna do. This thing is gonna go the whole time.
And let me tell you something. The conversations was ready.
I was ready for whatever. Thank God Joe didn't go there.
But because but let's go, let's be clear. I'm telling

(26:09):
you thank God because it almost felt like people don't
know bo Rue, we made all of these whatever. This
sni is a battle rapper. This is the ship that
I just I don't even talk about it. No more
like this nigger gets busy and I know he's my brother.
I'm gonna know. This nigga is a savage and he's

(26:31):
competitive with a fucking I'm gonna kill you. But that's
how we came up. The way we came up was Joe,
We're gonna kill these motherfuckers It wasn't no playing around
with him. We gotta kill these motherfucker's now. The way
we killed him was with those big gass records. But
like I say to people, we could win another route

(26:53):
with But what happened Nigger I did X, I did Jane.
That's why I'm like, yo, our accomplishments should be definitely
revealed because the niggas who I helped become the biggest
niggas in the world was in our way. That's why
I say Rule three three six is the greatest work

(27:13):
I've ever done. These niggas is in our way, and
these things as nice and not regular. Hope is the
coolest nigga on the planet, excess the grammiest nigga on
the planet. Feel me And look, we sold to three
million with any VICI, but nigga, we wasn't happy. Jay

(27:37):
just did fucking like eight nine million with Hall Knocked Life,
X did two seven in like five Nigga, fuck this
to three million? You understand them. That's why Rule three
three six I love that album so much because of

(28:00):
the simple fact that's the second album. Correct, that's when, Yes,
that's when the murder ring sound was created. We fucking
created that sound out of necessity because we wasn't satisfied
with double triple platinum, three three six, this six. I
can't lie to you. I remember hanging with Job at
that time. That's when we first kind of like Jersey man.

(28:23):
I remember. I remember Job being so angry but so
but so in the moment, knowing who you are, like like,
I've never seen the artists to this day knew who
they were, like I didn't. I didn't know who I
was to two years ago. And Ship, you know what
I'm saying. But you said to me, he was like,
you know, they keep comparing me to X and I'm
gonna do so to make these motherfucker's know that and

(28:47):
my different type of animal. And that's when you can
start coming home with these records. You know, it's on time.
And I was like, look, don't taking ecstasy too, And
I'm not making this because I'm like, I'm that working
for me. We're taking a little feast here and there
now really working like Ship we did. He dropping his emotions,

(29:15):
his emotions and Ship, and I'm trying to do the same.
It's not working out for me here. I had to
stop the media working your whole way hey man, And
I've never said I've never said I'm not gonna stop.
I'm showing that out there, but I never said that.

(29:36):
But what I'm trying to say is, I remember, man,
it was like Holland. Holland had you in one space
and then that next album was like you was and
it was crazy because I believe you had the braise
halfway done. X can't get braids? Yeah when he who was? Yeah?

(29:57):
I love love you X. But you know what I'm saying,
when you look at that album was so brilliant, right
because every aspect to say when when not that? And
with this, remember he had grew his hair and I
thought I was Jimmy motherfucking hendrich Man. You see some
of the pictures and ships that I was taking the

(30:18):
ship out in the Bandanna rap to the back of
my little afro growing out and ship. I was on
some other ship. I was on some I'm if these
things just doing this. I'm gonna be a rock star.
I'm gonna go laughs. Is going into the second album.
Let's do this, let's give let's okay, let me give

(30:39):
y'all one ship. So X is going crazy. I hate it.
Got my motherfucker, says some driving roll fucking think says
Holle Hollo reck in his mind. I'm gonna buy them.
I don't know this is the Scotty. I know, I

(31:03):
know you love Rule, I know you love me. You
staying out of it, I said X. I'm never staying
out of it. Right, Flesh of my flesh, Blood of
my blood. I produced two songs. This is a left
Teddy song. Used to be my dog. You was in

(31:24):
my left Teddy? What kind of hold on? Hold on?
Hold on, This is sorry, this is sorry, Let's keep
it real. Let's just snot Rule. You won't remember now.

(31:46):
I'm I'm gonna gonna fresh. You'll be playing rude once
that thing because I knew who X was talking about,
m M definitely Heroin. So I played a record for
Rule in my truck. Rule. Do you remember your reaction?

(32:08):
I don't. Okay, he was insens I'll never forget the reaction.
He was like, and I asked him, Yo, I'm I'm
pulling the record in my man screen. No leave it
and then true Rule fashion if he wants it. Heck,

(32:31):
and I'm telling you that record hindsight, I think it
pushed Rules create creativity and everything. I'm gonna beat these nigs.
Beat these niggers got to leave it. So I was
gonna pull the record. I was like, Yo, I'm just
gonna pull the record. He said no, he said leave it.

(32:57):
And if y'all know when rules and senses, it scary
when he's a sense. Holy, do you think I'm lying?
I'm not. I played him the record as soon as
the thing and he was in sense because he could
see it and I could just I'm just watching him,
like and I could see the angle building up, and

(33:17):
he's like they wanted they could get it like he was.
He was different. I used to say, like rule, but
that or what I'm saying. I give you that story
because it explains the makeup of Jah Rule, especially during
that time. And it was so crazy for me because

(33:40):
him Jay. I've known Jay first. I met j'all last
of the three, but but he I met y'all last
of the three ja since eight seven. Listen, Jody Matt
who is Joe responsible? So Jody mac cash money click,
this is before OK. He's on two five hustling with

(34:02):
a pack of cracks and the gun. Continue this nigg
is telling me, so I knew I had no faith
in my drama. Who's who's gonna save that for later?
I mean we had listen to listen hand the facts
of the matter. You called me one of the greatest

(34:25):
hip hop produces, the nigga who I made ships Real for.
Look at his album, his first album, two songs, Ship's
Real and It's Time to Build with Jackson John. I
produced no other buyer. I produced no other records. That
guy didn't want to funk with me for whatever reason.

(34:45):
For whatever reason, he didn't believe in me. He did
not believe in me. Yes, So I'm scrambling. I got
a deal with t v T. I need some of
another act. I can't put no trust and faith in
this bitchass nigga. So now I go to Jody. I'm
going too fair. He's hustling broad daylight. I'm staring at

(35:08):
that brow up right. So I'm telling you my fucking struggles.
Jody says, Yo, I could wrap. I immediately said, get
the funk out of him. What ain't here? You spent
a verse? Since I know this, ain't got to know
him in four minutes. Now, you're a rapper, nigga, You're

(35:30):
a hustler, you're a drunk. So then he has a hustler. Dude,
Now I'm in the group. Means the group, I said,
I with the with's the group? He says, Yoe, oh
one of job. I don't know these niggas. He brings
me to him and truth be told. The minute Rule spit,

(35:55):
I was in both feet. I think shortly after that,
Jody goes in jail. He just locked and I just
move on with go. Had a deal with Steve. Gotta leave.
And what people don't know is how I got to

(36:16):
Leo was because of Rule. I got to Leo because
she was jacking. We was jacking the box. Every time
we've seen Matthew Mary, I would order seven to eight,
which was get the fortune. So Leo seen the ship
and wanted to sign Rule. Wow. We on the box box.

(36:41):
You knew they were going to see it, and they
got my savage. Let me tell you how I did that.
Savage attained the one nine? How you numbers? Because how
the box made money? This was a great guy. This
was money. Is the videos only playing like a twenty

(37:04):
block radius and then there was a different one night
on your number. This was I literally had in the
whole country all of one nine hundred numbers. Don't ask
me how I got it, nigga. But and we go
to the studio, so listen. At first we was giving
out the numbers to our family members, friends. Every time

(37:27):
you see that fromership just usual because it cost so
so I'm telling you so it got expensive. So it
was like, we can't keep asking me to do this.
Go to the studio and things said. We go to
the studio, to the studio, you know, you know I killed,
I know I killed. I stayed in that bitch dolo

(37:49):
for three days right track Tony Dorsey Studios. Masterdisk is
the facility that used to be for mastering records. And
if you've ever been to a mastering facility, they treat
you great. What do you want to go in there?

(38:13):
One number work seven to eight? I'm lit. I stayed
in there for three days. We broke the top ten
and that was the TV or t V t ain't
got no wow. I shot two videos for twenty grand.
Here's another fun fact. Brother was bringing us still for

(38:37):
this film stock from the case seven cold Maybe come baby.
Then it comes to he started from man. He literally
in his grand Cherokee. Oh, pop the trump the hatch
and be giving us films to shoot our shore. I

(38:57):
shot two videos from kids at Grandpas. You know, the
bags were paying that money to shoot the So what
he did thought five millimeter footage, man, so we can
shoot our ship. Didn't put it on the box. Leoll
story and they want a job. Le was like, who's

(39:20):
the little guy? It was a huge voice Master Jason.
They was having a meeting. No, the whole staff, this
is this is urban fucking you know, urban tales and ship.
I don't know how true this is, but they said

(39:40):
it was having to me, you know, all of them
in the in the room and they were fun. And
then the video came on and j Master j stood
up and said that little nigga right there, I know
he's going to be a star. And then that Lee, Yeah,
we're gonna get to the know. The first time I
met you was with Leo. That's that's that's crazy. Leo loveson.

(40:04):
Yes he got you that, he got you that watch
when Dimes was sucking dances right now, rapper get started
and started started, Yeah, Leo really love yeah the artists.

(40:26):
You know how he got X he got him a
dog chain It was like he won him a dog
chain and X was like the happiest to get in
the world. I started hearing a little bit. But how
come out of most of us, right, all of us
made money with the all, but out of most of us,
it's only one person who actually has a real discrepancy
with Leon. Damn Yeah, why why why do you think that?

(40:48):
And I'm Leo probably stone or help forge the bullshit
between Damon Jake. But I suppose I was Leo. I
can't do that with you, and yeah, no, he Leo
is a wizard. He's all he had to do was go, Jay,
you're cool with splitting this three ways? That it was

(41:10):
over from that day because James Jake right, and he's
sitting there looking and he's like, I don't really need
I just need me. So all Leo had to do
with drinking Jake. He pulled him glad, you're cool with
this three ways split Baly and that's all he had
to do. I'm not saying that that happened. I'm exaggerating that,

(41:33):
but I think that's what happened, and that's why Dame
will forever hate Leo enough. I was gonna go to
deeper than that I was gonna don't want to think
that's that's the if you're talking Leo, because his truth
be told. When when we first got to def Jam,

(41:55):
everyone loved Leo, Dame two, Dame two, Biggs, Biggs. It
always was the cool nigga Jay. But we all you know,
we'd be on the private jet going to Green Bay
pack of games together. You know. No, and I might
say that lambeau Field is absolutely the frozen tundra that

(42:17):
they say. We left by halftime. There's two calls. I
didn't get a cheesehead. We're trying to get blankets. Nigger,
don't understand. I don't understand. Let me hold one. This
is like a high school stadium. Know what the see
saw a metal bench, no, no back. It's like a

(42:38):
high school stagient. This frozen. It was good, but we left.
We got the funk out of the frozen tundra. Leo
is a huge Green Bay pack of pack. But that's
what it is. It was all based on They started
separating JA and talking to j and drove Dame insane.

(43:02):
I mean, that's fair enough. I went to Dame say
that because Dame always he doesn't act like that's that
he acts like it's like coach of Volte. I believe
he uses the word yeah because he's gonna he's gonna
throw a different scenario in it. But Leo, I don't.
I don't feel Leo as a culture volta. Leo is
just a tough fucking businessman, and if you let him

(43:24):
jerk you, he's gonna jerk you. Like he used to say,
I wouldn't. I would have kept cutting his day making
sixty thousand a yearn give me a bonus. I helped
generate listen DMX May twelve. I believe Rush Hour soundtrack
came out in August. Jay came out in September, and

(43:48):
then the nigga was so greedy we needed another next album?
Did you do it? And we throw it together in
like two weeks. But in that year he probably just
with those albums four on a MILLIONI grows. I think
it makes a noise to that. Goddamn it. As you're

(44:08):
making noise I was making sixty thousand. Didn't give me
a bonus nothing, so didn't John really, And then what
happens is Dave McPherson and Sony he offers me a label.
D he said, He said let's go to dinner. He
went to the shop bar, into the shop bar, and

(44:35):
he says, I don't want you to produce no records.
I wouldn't give you a label. And I was like,
but you know, every EXTRAJ and John they all signed that.
He said, I don't care. We'll start something new and
something fresh, and they offered me to label Dell. Then
I met with Tommy and Tommy was ill, you need
to be with me, Leo, he said, and then this

(45:00):
nigga Leo was trying to do the deal and give
me half. Because was it you who said that time
with Toldo called um called Corey Runey, And that's the
j Lo fiasco that I fucked him relationships seeing Corey
Rooney at Solo House and he wanted to address it.
But we've never got a chance to address. What's he
gonna say that? He didn't say it. He didn't say

(45:21):
it to him. He said it to me, right should
I told said, I told that fat nigger. I said, nigga,
I'm gonna suck you up when I see you, This
Nigga's gonna suck you up. And you ended that. Listen, listen, listen.

(45:47):
That's why the whole j Lo interview happened. He did that,
I hanged the phone up. ELM magazine calls me. I'm
on ten, I'm on three, and didn't. I'm a fuck
up with the story to We don't want to see
you around you. But you know what, with j Lo,

(46:13):
it's all my fault. I like that j Lo. It
was nothing but a great friend, a great thing. She
calls a magazine to get close from me. Bennie Medina
was like, you're gonna be like the Quincy Jones of
Michael Jackson. Understand the two records I did for j
Lo was monster number one all over the world. Yeah,

(46:37):
y'all change your numbers immediately. I only did. I only
did you. I sucked it up, though, but I'm just
giving it. Ain't it ain't Uh, I'm just an idiot.
I was on I was mad high and he just
said I told that fat nig. I said, what are
you talking? I'm gonna fuck you up. I'm on ten

(46:58):
and it's I'm talking as I humped the phone, like
a minute, this is such a such from EL magazine.
I said, what the funk you want? Straight like that?
He said, oh, I'll just I'll just get right to it.
Then he said, I'm just kidding. I'll just get right
to its journalist. Yes, sir, and he said he said,

(47:23):
Jo said the records. I'm really ain't funny. It isn't
about about puppy. I said. Worse, I said, the bitch
is lying. Why would you repaint it on James Champs
because because this is that's who he is at the
same time you get dressed it on drink tamp Mario.

(47:51):
Let's just say this. I'll say this. I was a
fucking moron and the idiot and it's it's easily the
top two regrets of my life. Listen, we gotta get
up this. When when places did she say just don't
bring it's amazing man? And I'm saying I was. I

(48:19):
was sucking, which I was mad about it. You know
what I'm saying. Because it's like because one thing you
don't got nothing, one thing don't got to do with
you other you gotta do. It's like it's like you
want to drive bout nigga, you got to do woke
up on the nigger. You want to hit man. You
can't hit everybody on the block. Let me do get

(48:39):
who I'm after. He didn't drive block drop block. Yeah
you want to blasting him, go get him. You're mad
at him, go get him. But all right, so we
live and we learned. We gotta get past that ship.
You know what I'm saying. I'm glad he's owning it.
He says sorry about it a bunch of times. I

(49:00):
don't even had conversations with Jennifer about it and what
she has said. You know, of course she's not happy
about it. She hates that ship, you know what I'm saying.
She hates a lot of things that went on and
things that transpired. But again, I can't always play the
fucking middleman and this ship. I'm you know, listen, man,
you know I need a new jet. I'm not advancedment

(49:25):
to Jeff. Once he gets here, the starts burning. I
don't want said. Yeah, you know, like I get in
the middle of these situations where it's like I don't
want to r t the situation. It's like, I'm I'm
just saying right here, I'm only in the middle because

(49:47):
of the relationships I share with both parties, you know
what I'm saying. But I'm not actually in the middle
because they have their leg they know, because they have
their own relationship, and so I somehow try to mediate
ship and make everything peaceful. That it doesn't always work
out that way. But what you gotta understand sometimes you

(50:08):
gotta separate church and state. It's fine, It's fine. You're
saying Russian and fucking I'm not you say, but I'm
just saying, you know, two things can exist and be

(50:33):
cordial and be respectful to each other's space and and
and and and and and interviews and things we say
you know about each other without it being uh think
you know what. That's that's all my thing. That's all
I'm saying. I ain't a little bit. No she fucked

(50:53):
up because it's old and you both got over this,
and I want to say, did you do said? I'm over?
And I want what I'm saying. I want to say
everything that you're hearing now it will be on the
murder room. Motherfucker's I'll this is it gets expanded. Okay,

(51:18):
let me ask why you lose right and you want
to beat you? Remember why? Why? So let me ask
what high off heroin? Um? Because there's been rumors. It's
not only a shanty, but it has been rumors for
you with Charlie bolld tomorrow, Like, is that sexually Yes,

(51:38):
there's been rumors. No, never, okay, so never heard. I'm
the when when you just said you didn't mess up
with But was that kind of like did that ever
get involved with the business part of it? Like you
know that that you guys were most mantically involved. Did

(52:01):
that ever, like you know, trickle down to the business
like it helped her? Okay, I'm not trying. I'm not following.
It helped he that y'all was together that I mean happy,
big record, right, I'm so happy. Let me tell you
how happy from me? Yea, hey, yeah, yeah, so happy.

(52:30):
Let me let me explain how the relationship and how
it worked and how it worked dating at this point. Yes, okay,
so we're together back and watches. I imagine you both.
I watched two. I bought a mad ship Okay, Okay, Birke,
it's all that she she she gained, Okay, I don't know. Okay,
so you Switzer stay out of it. Just finished sleeping

(52:52):
together or whatever. Okay, I'm taking the shower. I'm in
the shower. You know, nigga be creative after right, because
it's story. I'll give you I'll give you the quick story.

(53:20):
You can see the full story. I think it a
whole track. In the shower, I'm do do do do
do do do do do do do do? I get
out the shower. I called my nigga Chink. I'm on
the phone. Check y'all. Do dude, dude, we get to

(53:44):
the studio. Chang, dude, cheft it up to beat everything. Okay,
now it's time for you to write. Yo. I want
this ship to be a feel good joint like summertime things.
I'm so happy, baby, I mean with that dutiful record.

(54:07):
That record came about because of our energy. You missed
that energy a little bit. Not anymore when when like
twenty years ago, when we stopped to take fresh out
of it. I actually again, yeah, yeah, you don't go
on her Graham sometime if you absolutely not, come on.
I'm being I'm I'm being listen. I'm being that serious.

(54:32):
And if I'm being that serious, if you take a
look at some of my girlfriends or whatever, Yo, they're banging.
They get they all banging, they banging. But you see
you see Nellie flew out for verses again. And that's
my good friend. I'm good friends with Nellie and all good.

(54:55):
That ain't men because that old back nigger I got stupid.
I'm just keeping it on it. I got I got
some serious stage. You ain't never seen her thirst track. No, no,
I'll see it when like shade room mobile at so
you'll be seeing it, right. And I honestly don't give
one single fuck yo, And I'm telling you the truth.

(55:19):
I'm not like, oh my god, fucking jund look out
good years dr n that been, They're done that And
the chicken sitting next to me, it's I don't want

(55:42):
to say crushing her, but nigger, she's in the twenties
and ridiculously hot, disgusting. I think if I bring any
of my girls through this motherfucker sunny you, like everyone
in the would be like un so not to say,

(56:05):
it's just said, I'm I'm way past that. And it's
like you have a I think, like I know that person.
So the rest of the world doesn't know that person,
but you know, people change, give a fun. I know
that person, and I am cool with where we are
with not speaking, not anything we tried to do. The

(56:27):
murdering ship that was like an olive branch. I ain't
never fucking with that. I ain't doing no murdering ship.
They wanted to shan TBT fucking the producers. They wanted
the Shanti to tell her side of the story. They
tried three separate times. They even as mama, j'all she is.
He's like, I mean, y'all, just we don't want to

(56:49):
not have give her the ability to say her side
of the story. But she's never gonna do that because
she's never gonna say she was in love with me.
She's never gonna say we was taking of her bringing
a dream. Yeah, we would love that and let her
lie to you dodge the question, no, because I don't

(57:16):
dodge r evade. You asked me a question. I answered,
I see this. There was no shame in us being together.
She wasn't responsible for my divorce. I could give you
three of her chicks that was I was being separated
and out the fucking house. She was so the things
that she's concerned with, I'm like, yo, I've told her
back then, you're not the person she wasn't. She wasn't

(57:40):
sucking me to get a record deal. She got a
record deal through a man, Mary o'baysa who was a
mutual friend. He had a sign and she worked for
her deal. When I first met her, I said, Yo,
I'm doing Jackson Joe. I ain't got no time to
do no R and B. But here's what you could do.
Just hang around being the studio. Be a studio rat.
She was in the studio every fucking day. That's how
she got the big pun record because people was calling

(58:02):
me to do records. That's how she got what's love.
This is all positive, positive. This is a put that
girl on. I'm not saying that as braggadocious. It's real.
I put her the funk on and the end rule
by saying, yeah, she's gon ahead, let bon bond get
on always on time. We put her on. So for

(58:22):
her to say, I don't want to do this no more,
I don't respect it. And that ship, that ship like,
I'm a family nigger, right, I'm the youngest of eight kids.
So everything you ever see earth gotty about. I mentioned
my brother his family references, so my thing with murder rank.
When she said I don't want to do this no more,

(58:43):
that ship cut deep nigger, because I put you the
funk on. I named you the princess because I see
you put your your sign up. She didn't do that right,
she did that. I don't want to do it no more?
Really where was this? That? And my maid back and
your mate back? She threw up the gang side and
you may back. She's like stuff. I said, I'm not
doing this so that that doesn't means she's leaving the company.

(59:05):
That means she don't. She don't want to be a
part of this ship no more. That's different, Like, I
don't know, I can't this after the fas came though, Okay,
I mean, come on, like rule says that only and
I'm totally outside and getting that. Yeah, I mean, I

(59:28):
can see how that sounds the average individual. I can see.
I can see that guy he like, how you know what?
I mean that that can scare to have an individual whatever, No, no,
And just to be clear, there's no me. But yeah,
I realized that. I realized. I realized that your songs, gotti,

(59:51):
see you're not living without reading without you just words niggas.
That's the fucking song. But you will get I gotta
loved to go my souland nigga soul mean nigga. But

(01:00:12):
so you you what would you do if you was me?
And you in these words, y'all in love and ship y'all.
Every day we're together, that's the problem. Every day for
like two years, except the day she's with Nelly M.
She got real. I don't even shot fans. Okay, different

(01:00:45):
kind of drink. VT gave me no more. Tune in
to see the rest, tune in the Oh my love.
I I just wanted to know I was never definitely
with him. What I say is one of the saying

(01:01:10):
is is about to have this story and this is
Earth's story? Which is which is the true story and
the story. I don't have the side of the story.
I wasn't there. You know what I'm saying, Your side
of the stories? No, no, No, His side of the

(01:01:31):
story is he did. It was a part of helping
put her on like me and me and grew put
her on. I made the record with that. But rule
being listen, who's the biggest nigger in the world. We
could have got j Lo to be on always on time.
We could have got any fucking huge name to be
on always on time. Goddy fucking let Shohnny doul. But

(01:01:57):
that was the right they was the right choice. I'm
always for my own I'm always for family. And guess
what it happed me on top and I like to
say that this is what we was trying to talk to. Yes,
we always listen SA record, great record. This is why

(01:02:30):
the ship cuts like a scar because we did so much.
We took you. She had two other deals before our deal.
I think she was with like R C A. And
I think Sony that was trying to make her Whitney Houston.
I used none of those records, right, she came with

(01:02:50):
us and not only named the Princess and everything. We
put that sound on her, that murdering sound that that
bomb did do. We put that sound on one of
the biggest rappers in the game at the time, allowed
her to get on his number one record. So a

(01:03:12):
piece of me be like, I funk our relationship, Right,
I could get past that. I get mad girls. I've
never had a problem getting bad chicks. Never, man, keep going,
keep You've never had a problem. Right, I could get

(01:03:36):
past you want to be with Nelly. It sounds like
you didn't get past that. Listen, listen at the time
it happens, any man, it's you. It's the chick you
fucking are in love with is with this nagain. Grandma,

(01:03:57):
you want to you want to hear how I found
out only on drink chat. We saw on the documentary too.
How did you find out, sir? I was at home?
Uh huh. There wasn't no Twitter or Instagram back there
at home. Listen to this ship. This is God wanted
me to find. That was that home NBA package. I
like watching spoils. Wait wait, I mak de Roses playing Rose.

(01:04:24):
Tune into the Chicago game at home in t rebeca fidolo.
Oh my god, what's this commotion going on in the stadium.
We just found out what the commotion is. Nellie has
walked in with the shot teth But you didn't know.

(01:04:48):
You didn't know that. I knew nothing. I was creative.
It's crazy. It's better the stage. That's that's how it.

(01:05:08):
Niggas found out. Honest you said you wasn't a little
hurt earlier. I said in the beginning of this hurt. Okay,
I'm talking you get to the hurt part because I
wanted you see it on NBA All Star Game, Nellie
All Star just lead pass. I'm checking out my nigga

(01:05:29):
de Rose and Nellie is going and he's saying, this
is the announcement. What is the commotion going on in
the stadium. Something is going on. Come back off the commercial.
We found out what's going on. It seems as though
Nellie has walked in with the Shanti. That's how I
found out. No two way nigg That's how I found out.

(01:05:57):
But here's what I'm saying, m and please, this is
the truth. I'm I don't speak all of this truths
when I don't suppose to speak it. Now I'm gonna
be a liar. So just know every word that I
say is a hundred percent. I could have got past that,

(01:06:19):
but I could never get past yoll. I don't want
to do this no more that Curt that cut me
a thousand times harder than her. Fucking Nelly Nigga niggas. Fuck,
I'm a funk. I don't fuck Mad Nigga's girls. I

(01:06:40):
don't think that. I don't think that. Motherfucking calm that
come back, right, ladies, if you've been sucking the best,
that's your whole life. Camma says, you're gonna get a
little common not a chick that you you really love.
And you know, I try to tell everybody with a shanty.

(01:07:01):
It was a difference because I never had no chick
that I could talk to after we fust never maybe
one or two Jesus, you know what I'm saying. But
with a shanty was like everything after Yo, we should
do this, we should do Yo. I'm taking scar Faced
Mary Jane, nigga, take the flow. Take the flow. That's

(01:07:26):
all part of what I'm saying. I'm getting millions of
dollars with my bitch. I didn't want it to stop.
I was like, you did not want it to stop.
I wanted to stop. Think I'm so secure in my

(01:07:47):
gangster they get in securing who the funk I am
in this universe. I could tell you when I'm hurt.
I could tell you when I'm vulnerable or whatever. Nigga,
I'm an open bull. That's why they silence young Malcolm,
because I just keep it real. What's the answer. This
is the answer to that. I don't give a fuck.

(01:08:12):
But I say this to say this, nigga. This is
your family, we made you, this is my nigga, put
you on the ship. This. You can't abandon this. You
can't And you're gonna say you don't want to do this.
I'll never get over that. But so it started after
the game and then but the FETs, the FETs still

(01:08:33):
have to come into account. This is okay. A lot
of people are saying, you know, the nine conviction rate,
So she would she would be saying to me and
like emotional crime, like you they told me you're gonna
go to jail. Just to be clicking. Now, let's just
be clear. This is a this is a good point
as an outside of that's looking in. That's that's the

(01:08:55):
way that I'm pointing y'all out. Listen. They were like
these things going to jail, and I'm quite and I
quite sure that hurt people was telling that this is
a good thing for you. You're the hottest R and
b motherfucker God, he's gonna go to jail and your
free yourself loose flash. Not guilty, bitch, not guilty, bitch,

(01:09:17):
you and your team not guilty, bitch. I told all
you motherfucker's I ain't do it. No one believe me.
There's a lot of things that could have came at
me for well, not a lot, but some things. But
with that, I remember I asked my lawyer, I said,
what exactly is money laundering? Tell me. They said, well,
money launders are drug dealers dealing drugs and then they

(01:09:39):
give you drug proceeds for you to write a check.
So I was. I was a founder of Crime Partners.
Donal Donald going remade Crime part I gave him, I said,
I gave him fifty tho. He didn't give me no money.
I did that to invest in the movie. I said,

(01:09:59):
I didn't just do it. There's other names that did it.
I said, it's that money launder. They said no, I said,
wouldn't tell him they sucked my dick the fast to
my mom, Yes, okay, I said, tell him they get
suck my deck. And I did it for my man
because they offered me a sweet deal. Six months, right,
so six months I'd be back home in a in

(01:10:22):
a heartbeat. But if I plead guilty, now, I'm saying
prem sold drugs and getting the drug proceeds. So pleading
guilty are you're going to plead when all of this
is involved. It's kind of like dry snitching, insane opposite
of Bobby's murder did for his man. It would be
the opposite because people would say you were all roted

(01:10:44):
your own boy. I'm never gonna do that I was
never gonna do it to Preme knowing what he's facing.
So once they explained that casas so, if I plead guilty,
I'm basically saying Prem sold drugs and gave me drug money.
He said, yes, said tell him suck my dick. I'm not,
I said, if they get my man, it ain't gonna
be me helping him. Right now. Speaking of Prame, uh

(01:11:06):
we hear this talks of you making a Preme movie
or Preme Team movie that's already in effects. No, Todd Phillips.
Todd Phillips made the Joker. That's not to hangover nigger.
He's also to hang over guys. So Todd Phillips and
Christian and my brother Nick Cassavetti's and uh, I gotta

(01:11:31):
I got a great crew to do it. And this
with Warner Brothers. Okay, so let's ask. I gotta ask.
There's another guy from Queen's who says he has a
Preme movie, who Benny Bammy the job? Here about nobody
a pre Team Movie's abil what he wants. He was

(01:11:52):
a part of the Supreme team and everything like that.
But it's not gonna be a story that Prime is
involved with so he'll be on his own telling the
story of Premium Prince. But they're not with him, and
they with me, and and my movie is coming out
is gonna be a big movie. Todd Phillips did the joke,

(01:12:13):
Ladies and Gentlemen. He he to Hangover trilogy. He's gross
for Warner Brothers billions of dollars. No, this is a movie.
And then after the movie, the Murdering TV series. Well,
all of the stuff that you see on the documentary
only on VT will bring to life in the rich

(01:12:36):
rich I would pay for and own. So all of
you out there that talk about me and and and saying, oh,
you're doing this for this, you're doing this for that
or whatever like that, nigga ain't knowing me. Man, I
don't know no one that creates their own content directs.

(01:13:01):
Listen right, I got Tales Presents, we made it in America,
the movie we get told about. I'm doing the competition
to find the Storm, blessed and great relationship with BT. Yeah,
BT is my family. But tell Us first started with
Tales and title Tails was always BET the second window.

(01:13:24):
But my deal was with BT on title it was
the second window. You don't come on, come on, you
showing up, baby, showing up on the bottle. Let's do it.
I'm gonna own it. I'm gonna amazing with my guy,

(01:13:46):
Olivier Chaston. Okay, so um yo, just I think it's
time for the flowers, man, because I'll show you skinned
together we have we have flowers for b J two.
Well we thought BJ was being here, but let me
just tell y'all Gotti yeah for them the show separate. Yeah, yeah, man,
you know we love J. But we're gonna give y'all

(01:14:08):
J Floers'll give it. You want to get your second one.
You're the only one who has to know. And Sloop said,
it's like Snoop said, it's better than the ground because
he's getting it from his peers. But we want to

(01:14:30):
We want to tell you because because to family, just
because we friends doesn't take away from your greatness. Man,
the things that y'all have done, the things that y'all
continue to do. We want to sit there salute you
to your face. We don't want something to happen to
you and be like, oh, they were great, then No,
we want to tell you how great you are now
to your face. You know what I mean? Continue success.
We want y'all to motherfucker continue monkey footing and doing

(01:14:52):
this goddamn thing because, uh, we're proud of y'all man
and coming. Wait, let's make a Lloyd for them. I'm
proud of yours. I'll say this. It's a great thing

(01:15:16):
because most rappers, you ain't gonna be like job Rule,
who's still toning in crazy money. You know what I'm saying.
Most rappers are not gonna be. So for you to
pivot to this and create a whole new brands genus, yes,
thank you. Got that makes so let's move. Let's move

(01:15:39):
because we also about murder, inc right, so we gotta
talk about murder against this totality. We've basically covered every
ground when it comes to a Tauanti All right, that's cool, right,
And we understand that you might say where we're wrong,
she might say on the relationship had to take a
part of it, regardless, We've got moving on Lloyd is
something that I'm very confused about because Okay, I have

(01:16:03):
no idea where this left or if it's left, or
you should because everything was great with Lloyd. Okay, everything
was great with Lloyd until he was in the geniunit.
Video Doog told me because it wasn't a big record
for me. I didn't have no problem with Lloyd. I
had absolutely none. He was the little baby bro. And

(01:16:27):
then I see this thing in fucking with fifty and Gil.
You don't remember that the record did nothing. But I've
seen it. You've seen it. It's just certain things. And
that's where that's when the bullshit started with me and him,
Like what you do that? You you screaming? Fuck me? No?

(01:16:48):
How would you take it? Yes? But but what would
have led to him? Even ye, there's nothing nigger if
I told you look at told you to jail where
I'm an idiot and I did that. There's no idiot
stories with Lord I get. I think of my sixty
two Continental. He was like Caddie on Man's busy. Correct, No,

(01:17:09):
it's a sixty old schools school gamously the car that
JFK got killed. Okay, okay, I'm sixty two convertible Continental.
I had. I had that, my man, She'll put like
a It was system for Night Night. He did the interior.
He he said, oh, I gotta note this out doing
decorate interior for you guys? Are we talking about? Night?

(01:17:38):
Was our friends no bullshit, no nothing. He's seeing the
old school and did it. I gave that call the Lord.
There is no story of of of me or anybody
doing anything Lloyd to make him go do that. This
is some good week one another one yea holy ship.

(01:17:59):
So that was okay, okay. So because y'all recently did
do like a murder, ain't getting altogether right. Listen, let
me backtrack. Let's backtrack, let me backtrack, brack right, because listen, man,
I could have been a motherfucking I could have been

(01:18:20):
a bad, bad man. Meaning I'm on the label, y'all.
You got a contract with me. Boy, you want to
break out and go to Inniscope, I mean I'll be
after y'all going through y'all. Tobacco Jimmy has always been great. Okay,
great fucking You want to go to Inniscope, you gotta
dam on the table. I could have easily say, yo,

(01:18:42):
give me a million dollars contract. I ain't do that, ship, nigga.
I ain't say yo, you could go, but I need
to check five hundred thousands something. You just let him go.
Just let niggas go on. Let him sucking a shot.
T go. Niggas don't know that could I could have
been a fucking monster to hub I only recalled it.
What were four albums or whatever like that I had?

(01:19:05):
I think seven, I had like three more to go.
I signed and let her go free, and she with
the conch After that, whenever she went to she was
free to do written entertainment. But Nigga, I could have
been a bad, salty, bitter guy and said, no, bitch,
you got to give me some bread. You gotta stop

(01:19:25):
calling him. You're right, beautiful black the mane you like,
I understand what? Okay? This is why when she wants

(01:19:46):
to recreate and do covers and I'm like, damn man.
I I never was bad to her. Never I treated
as an artist. She got treated fucking great. Everything she wanted.
She didn't want my and Mario to not being deal,
no more than they who brought her to me. I
got him out to deal. I thought we changed subjects.

(01:20:09):
What happened, Let's change a little bit more. We mentioned
unless time you was here. We spoke a little bit
about this. I think we spoke a lot about it
in the series. Do you guys cover any of the
conversations that you guys had with Ja Prince about building
that distribution that will be in the TV series in

(01:20:30):
the Dock in the doc. Yeah, I don't know why
I should have Like that was crazy. This was Michael
Peyton and directed the Dock. When he sees this, you're
gonna him up with that, He's like, I missed that
talking about that because that's the conspiracy that everybody. Honestly,

(01:20:54):
Price would have did my doc if we called him
me and J Prince have a listen. He just he
should have with that because without that, then why do
you need J Prince to just talk about And they
actually let it Shill do interviews right now. Yeah he
I think he did. Yeah he did million dollars from
Proper Game. Yeah, come talk. Yeah, but you trying to

(01:21:19):
get hugged though you got you got bet, you got bet,
got credentioes bro I walk in through this, listen, I
got I got many moons ago, but one time MTV
we that's how we used it. We used yeah he
got an over the doors, yeah, or it up. So

(01:21:41):
I mean it's it's give it a try. And we
heard that you just got nas on the documentary, just
got just got nis queens get the money queen's get
the money making money. Yeah, just got I did. He
got a dock on Supreme Team. He got a dock
on Supreme Tea. Yeah. That so it was like we

(01:22:01):
did each other. It was good ship. It was good ship,
all right. That's beautiful, man, that's beautiful. No one loves
queens more than eyes too. I don't think so. I
think we all love it. We all love queens, but
he loves loves queens. You know, I got to Rock
the Bells concert. Yeah, trying to bring you out on
the low. I don't think I'm in town. I'm trying.

(01:22:33):
I'm trying to bring you out. Yeah, I don't know, man,
you know I always come. You know, this is like
my first time like performing I believe in New York
City in six years or something like that. And it's
you know, it's monumental stage as thank God and drink

(01:22:56):
chance might be there. We are, we are there. Yeah.
I don't know if our wife do squad was going
to do it though, um, but hopefully, you know, I
would say it's it's monumental because remember Rock the Bells
was a big festival that didn't include what he had
nothing to do with it, and he had to fight
to get the name back. Oh yeah, so this is
the first time he's yeah serious or some right there

(01:23:19):
yet Remember there was that Rock the Bells festival before
that was big right right do that and he for
the name. Yeah, so that sounds yeah man, good round man. Yeah.
So rules, Um, what's going on with the movies? You're
still talking about the movies? Man? Yeah, I was still

(01:23:40):
doing just ship. I got some ship coming up. You know,
I was supposed to shoot this film call re View,
and I was supposed I played detective in the film.
But I got I got some other films coming up.
But that film got derailed a little bit because of
COVID and then the director got some some some issues.
But but but this that's that's still you know, I'm

(01:24:01):
still shooting at But then, um, you know, I got
some other action films that I'm that I'm about to shoot.
They you know, they found out that I you know,
I do well overseas. Yeah, and they say yeah, they say,
they say people like me and movies overseas. They like

(01:24:26):
enjoy with what you MANE Stevens to go that would
have to they liked me these joints. No, no, no,
that ain't that they might like that, they might have sneakers.
What's joint as no questions. I was asking that as
I was a wild boy and ok yeah, but but

(01:24:52):
but yeah, I got a bunch of films stuff that
I'm doing, you know, working on it. But you know this,
this is a very fun industry right now, very fun
on top. You should get back out on the road
and look at you try and throw your ship in there. Good.
I got you enough. First album, want icon um you

(01:25:13):
know we we I'm just saying, he with some you
didn't have this. It's a classic. Please spoke. We spoke
about her doing the vibes. You know what I'm saying.
So I've spoken to a lot of artists and it's

(01:25:37):
gonna expand in a lot of ways. Okay, come coming
coming down the far a lot of fun. Okay, So
let's talk about tails for a second. God, Yes, I
had an epiphany. Okay, the rule brought up something. And
I'm always conscious of my brother when he said to me,

(01:25:57):
because I know he loves me, and I just want
to put a disclaimer all the women out there out there.
I don't mean to say bitch, but it's like me
saying nigga for men. I shouldn't say nigga either, but
I'm nig nigga all day. So I don't want you

(01:26:18):
to think when you hear me say bitch so freely,
I'm just a nigga off the block that that's just how.
This just how I told. That's my brother. I'm here right.
So I want to make a disclaimer and I want
to say first and foremost, I love women. For those
that don't know me, I I love women. I was

(01:26:41):
raised my mother. I put high it in God. My mother,
my Nini is everything to me, black woman I was
raised by. I'm the youngest of eight kids. I've got
five sisters, Mona, Angie, Nicki, Tina, Dana, and they all
helped raise me. There's no way I could ever just respect.

(01:27:01):
It's no way. I have nothing but women who I
worship around me. I want them to want them. I
want them to hear that. I want them to understand.
And no, I love women, all all my girlfriends. But
I'm not saying like I'm gonna hatter women. No girlfriends,

(01:27:24):
all my girlfriends that I that my ex girls, my
ex girlfriends, if you talk to them, I'm still cool
with all of them. I don't. I don't have like.
I'm not that guy. I do not hate on my
ex I do not hate on just follow their girls,
just make sure they're doing bad. I don't want any

(01:27:44):
of my exes. If I can help them do better,
I would help them like I got love for all
of them. That's what I'm saying. I the person who
I am is so far from calling women bitches or whatever. Listen,
look at all of the music me and roommate. It's
all for women. It's all for women. And what I'm

(01:28:05):
saying is the reason why that music came out so great.
It's two guys high offction listen, but it's two guys
who have a deep love. You know what I'm saying.

(01:28:25):
There's two guys who have a deep love pass for women.
That's why those guys. Yeah, you see, That's what I'm saying.
I'm like, so please. When Ruth said that I was
in there, I was like, damn, what coming across like
a female hater? Ain't even shine? I posed a question,

(01:28:51):
sunny guy, who about asking you? Just ask you a question.
If someone who you made says they don't want to
do this no more, how would you feel give me
a real answer. Just give it to me. You feel her,

(01:29:13):
it would be her betrayal, disloyal all that ship. When
you get to m damn short with me because if
I don't know you, I don't fuck. There's my questions,
my question, Switzer. Let's go. I want to how long?

(01:29:46):
Because the hurt last cancer ship now definitely can't got
to get over You don't guy, might be hurt yourself.
Oh you got sunny making a sense? She is. Here's
what I said. This thing you don't gonna make sense?
It works both ways, d it works both ways, yo,

(01:30:10):
rule we should do the murder rate the w you
you told we're talking to Live Nation. Live Nation is
when it I never do why it's olive branch. It
works both ways. Olive branch. When it's like, Yo, we
got some money frands, mother fu village. Yeah, I'm so

(01:30:34):
happy wanted that. Yeah. Can you give a great Stevie franchise?
He always got a mini story, mini storties. He can't

(01:30:56):
get it. Guys, listen to Murder Eggs performing in Houston
like a day after the Rockets is playing. So we
decided to go who you know this fucking story? Mother
harder mother. We had like twenty floor seats from Sinacore
all the way day. So Steve my man Steven franchise

(01:31:17):
busting this day, playing the Golden State Warriors before step Carrie.
We put a hunted in seventy thousand that wasn't the
Golden State Warriors, absolutely because the nigga who finished us
was given it was originally the Warriors. Listen, you don't know,

(01:31:39):
I don't remember that, didn't know that. Yeah, I was
fucking tired, nigga, bring seven you back and give us
my nigga, fuck you big, and you know, me and
my brother gamble. So we set it on fifty thousands

(01:32:02):
for fifty racks sucking the rockets. It was minus eve
fifty west. We were gonna be in the building. See
fan just Cat Patino, They're gonna bust these things. So
we did, yeah, five thousand, don't give me ten, give
me twenty five. So we had like a hundred and
seventy five thousand and on this remember this game, so

(01:32:25):
we have so much fun holding I'm calling fucking giving
aw it's calling a zero because you you don't us up.
You take totally thin wheel on three pills and listen listen,

(01:32:45):
hold on, not early, not this is just friendship. But listen,
I would never do this if you were still on
the rockets. Three pills and I'm talking three pills when
they fully set in, not hurly three. You know what

(01:33:10):
it wasn't It was like sweet v joint like this,
and that's why the snig is happily fucking guilty. He's
a rookie. Fucking rookie. I think it was guilt. Was
still in an apro right, so bo. He's having so
much fun. You know how the ball from the game

(01:33:31):
will dribble to you. He came to b J Juel
doing the car and did a spin. Moving later in.
It was like, so he let me set it Tom.
They're doing their job. It got these niggers. The game
is about over, has like eight five. It was under

(01:33:53):
ten seconds, and this is where he fucked us. He
fucks so now, no, you wucked us, nigga, No, don't
remember it. I'm like that nigga fu alone. So now
my nigga continue no monthly and lay a cat cat

(01:34:16):
damn seven. I'm like, cat, we need go, nigga, he said,
I'm letting me go. You gotta get that we gotta
get there. Listen, listen, listen, pull up there, if you
can pull up tape, if you game tape or whatever,
you could show this because he's at the line and
you're doing shoe because while I'm screaming we need to
I'm like, nigga, we gotta hunt it and seven like this.

(01:34:39):
He's a little at the line. He's just shaking his head.
He's shaking his head. But what did my nigga do?
He's sunk? Do both games over? Get fucking over? What
the funk Gilbert to get the ball and she's there

(01:34:59):
there like step Curry forty fund sunking, just the fucking
beat the spread. It was yo, yo, who killed I
can't believe you get this? And after we wanted to
kill he really stuff torching him. I'm like, that's the nigga, nigga,

(01:35:25):
But now it was your phone and you had no
reason but listen the whole games, the wholl arena hundred
seventy five one. This is the whole arena. Now the
rest knew, everyone knew, and Gil's over there rules hacking
um nigga fu nigga thing, doing this fucking birdie and
fucking the way nigga. Nigga talking this nigga like Yo,

(01:35:57):
this nigga ran down there and crushed our soul. I
was calling him to don what's gonna do? You don't
that down finish fish? Do you understand his five seconds left?
There by nine? The game's over you. I would say
that the funniest, the funniest, the funniest NBA tackle story

(01:36:21):
of me. But I was sucking hackling. Uh. I wasn't
really heckling. It was Vince car to play against the Knicks.
This is my brother. We Vince party have a great time.
So they played the Knicks. So I'm rooting from this right.
Charles Oakley got mad as a motherfucker. N Yeah, he
looked at me on the still and said, man, fuck you,

(01:36:43):
I said this give to It wasn't like who was
it Larry Grandmama Johnson. It wasn't. It was wasn't Okle showing.
I'm positive I was sitting right next to you. I
turned around. It was like shaft, look, yeah, brought me

(01:37:05):
big lotely probably have swung at it was so mad.
Was like people loaded. He probably was swung a big
steaming frish man, big shot, make some step shot that's
the legend, legend. I got NBA stories. Yeah, and I

(01:37:31):
not not drink kids out of Kobe Bryant. Bryant similar thing.
Kobe Bryant's playing the Indiana Paces. This is lakes, Reggie Miller.
Reggie was there for the step over. We was there
for the ship. I said, I got NBA like and
then that was that. That was the time for wh
listen before Kobe is and he was moving. Was in

(01:37:55):
stables with that at the legged game room for a
pus these snakes as this. I would never do that.
After Kobe played for me at the Rocket though that
was pre Rocket. Me and rules the only niggas in
they're telling the I get these thicket show that thinking.
When the game was over, he came to me and
rule like nigger because it was Chuck was my brother.
We used to be mean rubber Chuck used to video

(01:38:22):
Man one time were in New York. He said he
played the night before and the one of his hotel
lobbies and ship getting drink it. Now we used to
do too. We're need getting drinks and ship. So I
was getting late. I'm like, all right, nig, I'm making
a move. Nig, I'm making like I got to nixt
to mom, like you're being disrespectful. Good he said. He

(01:38:44):
I said he kept drinking because he said he got
the damn that check was the savage I got. I
got you man, I got it checking with the savage,
checking a savage man. He used to let the NBA niggas, no,
I'm gonna sit on names and protect them my NBA nigga.

(01:39:04):
But he used to let niggas know in private quarters, nigga,
you know, I'll give it to you, like nigga, don't
you what you like? So that provider that he had
man on the court that plays out, he was around.
You were around round niggas and you lett and they're like, yeah, yeah,
you know, you know I know niggas because he's the

(01:39:27):
big big only Yeah. So the niggas younger in the league.
And even like, you know I can give it to you.
Niggas is like, Hi, no, nigga, but you don't. The
biggest compliment that I could pay AI ain't even on
the court. I used to be with this nigger in Philly.

(01:39:50):
This nigger would be out of his mind drunk, her
out of his mind drunk, and the nigga would have
at least a half a million on correct not Philly.
If y'all don't know, Philly is one of the grimiest,
I will kill you cities in America. He'd be by

(01:40:12):
hisself dripped when every piece and you read fucking watches
everything and like this not even that's the biggest problem
with nigga love this nigger. They would. I would be like,
how are you not getting wrong number three, Philly? How

(01:40:34):
are you They gonna kidnap you, nig that's the wrong.
The thing is gonna kidnap you and call someone you
love like we need more money. It's Philly. Niggas is
and no one and I asked him. I was like,
he's like, one time is not loving these niggas, and
these niggas love me. It's the number three. The number

(01:40:54):
three is Philly. Dog that niggas like these things can
it's the number three, Lord of Niggabible. You can't touch
Michael Vicker. You can't touch the Ellen, obviously you cannot.
It's insane. It's time about my brother man. That's my
brother man. You know who got getting that universal love

(01:41:16):
right now? Ranging universal act want any hard in America
right now and nigga's gonna love in any hood in
America right now. I's got that love now too wrong? Crazy,
come on, and you know it's not get Yeah, that's mad.

(01:41:41):
That's not nigga talking about office every summer after this thing.
You play me a mixtape every summer, But that nigga,
it's really about that life too. Yeah yeah yeah. Do
you ever see these NBA nigga's, Like you've seen one
TV thing like Ronald test is fucking it's huge. If

(01:42:06):
I'm twelve Streets tett Yeah, holy mooly guacamole. So yeah,
quick time with Slim? Are you ready ship to get
more than ready? Am I gonna? I don't got to
go and I'm just yeah yeah, there'll be crazy. What

(01:42:30):
does cook Time with Slime? Where done? Good? Yeah? Yeah
so you've done it? Yeah yeah, So just on this one.
So where is just to give you most more choice questions.
I'm gonna get in troubles rules, I'm definitely gonna get

(01:42:54):
in troubles. So h no, you're gonna get in trouble.
It's a So it's basically, we gonna give you more
choice if you pick both of po politically correct, you
take a shot. If you say neither, you should play
a new game. I got a new game for you.
This is you kids to go over like that. Tell
you you know what because you're doing a lot of

(01:43:16):
old things on the show. Yes, West, we make of
old drink. Yes, yes, so everybody should put money in
the pot. Whoever got to get up and go to
the bathroom first? Oh that's hard. I'm playing that game
rights because that's show because I don't know, might been

(01:43:38):
losing to after Ibody using heavy loves that make you go, baby,
make you go, but you never know who's gonna lose.
The old man tests. Yeah, but we're gonna go. What
shot do you want? You want? Because you know you
said we got ye the shot? What kind of what

(01:43:59):
you want y'all? Do? Dude? Dude, you say you didn't? Okay,
glass they got they get them when they start hey, hey,
you know your fucked When they start speaking in love Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(01:44:21):
I'm definitely definitely yeah, you only want to do that.
Yeah at that time, I don't I don't know what
you better whatever. Smooth the way, by the way, I

(01:44:43):
don't know. That's definitely saying. They start speaking Spanish, they
stop saying spirits like, yo, what's it starts speaking spirits?
Think she's kind? He want to tell don't read see
late mean no no, he probably said listen, want to

(01:45:05):
the right right? No, no, no, that's by the way
you got Can you pull your man the shot? Because
being that you did this before, can you pull him
the shot? I don't shot. I'm telling the truth, tell

(01:45:26):
the truth. I gotta take a shot. If you say both, okay,
you ready? If you say no, If you say if,
you'll say neither or both? Right, okay, are you ready?
M Max or jay Z. You don't have to pull
that heavy brother, you don't gotta pull that. That's a
good partner, right, there's yeah, So dmx JZ gonna take

(01:45:52):
a shot of that, because that's both. I would say both.
I would say both to take a shot. That's the
name of the game. I answered all my questions by
the way. I love him though. If I had to
huge one, take your shot, nigger, just take a shot

(01:46:14):
X shot. And he went in that whole. It put
me in the middle of these three competitive things, and
it's just like, but jan would ask me the most, Yeah,

(01:46:37):
you think they make a better than me? Not? No, no,
not not a hold on, hold, hold got it? Do
you think that nig is better? And I used to
be like, yo, oh yeah, it's nice old nice in
different manners. That's what damn That album would have been

(01:46:57):
bloom up arguments over this ship too. This is deep
ship between the three Tupac or Biggie h d J
Collet or DJ Drama, Kali Rockefeller or rough Rider. Take
a shot, Yeah, you love Karen and Dane. Let's take

(01:47:23):
a shot. To take a shot. I'm gonna take the shot.
Take I don't think that shot I want. I can
take the shot to that. Okay, it might be easy.
I think it's going easy. My mom's going after this.
I think Jada kiss or fabulous happy happy man. I

(01:47:50):
don't know what I'm longer and now the shots is
gonna it's taking. I'm gonna take a shot. You don't
do shot shot immediately hit you mean you just I'm

(01:48:10):
gonna tell you what it Okay, the heroin heroin Jenny
kiss a family. Yo, there's a picture out there and
me and the dog before we get into the next qason,
there's a picture out there and me and the dog
on fucking one. If we were in hollow and when

(01:48:32):
my eye and it's a fucking dope best I called
him out there one time. You know, it's a picture
of me and the dog that somebody has. If you
see this, just fucking yo, put the picture on Instagram,
send me the picture, dear me something. I need that picture.
Want that picture. And then somebody has this l picture
of me and this nig. Oh my god, and I

(01:48:54):
recently but what I'm saying, but fairly at it's fairly yeah,
we understand. Not that we're going you say for that. Okay,
scar face or ice cub Face, Damn, I said that

(01:49:16):
too fast, Cuban motherfuckable faces like face I love first
Light of the Days, like one of the best verses ever. Yeah,
like we face he just put into picture him being
on Yo. Yeah, fucking face Premo or Pete Rock Primo

(01:49:42):
or pre Rock push your to your styles, Pete push
you Caress or Rock Cam Rock Caim definitely which Rution
is gonna get for the next vipes him him with you.

(01:50:14):
They said it's nothing they can't do at that point. Okay, man, okay,
this one this one's catches me all the time. Got
you ready, This one catches me all the time. I
don't know if it's gonna catch you n w wait
or boultank clan. Oh god, this catches me all the time.

(01:50:34):
Oh goddamn, that's the shot. Take a shot being a game,
just motherfucker. Okay. We did so much for the East
Coast too, and Risons. We were just talking about him
with after, like because rizz A came to the Bobs concert.
He was taking Torizon was carrying out concept you every

(01:51:00):
time she came out for free Land, and now I
didn't know. I don't know how he was coming. I
heard that Aic was outside and I said, oh, I'm
going to get I went outside personally and get damage
man homies streaming. He was like, yo, okay, I was

(01:51:21):
coming stars something or something. Okay, it's something. I don't
know which one you want to pick on this one.
Because of your loyalty Belly or Boys in the Hood,
Yeah I knew that. Okay, here Marv Deep or MLP

(01:51:46):
and MOBB. You had a strange kind of relationship with
P right because P's book. He kind of pointed out
that Cadillac toss. I don't know if y'all ever directed
directly answer that was a thing about that me and
P had a conversation about that. Was you who told me?
You and me and had a conversation. I had a
conversation with him. He said that kind of time. But

(01:52:11):
you know, um just switching gears. You know, I have it.
You know, talked about doing vibes. I like how you
switched it possible? Now, like, let me let me tell
you something that at my jomp talking to figure out
how do we do that without P. You got Nooyd,
you got yeah, probact his son that could come out.

(01:52:32):
Who's actually spitting rhymes too? That's you know, Yeah, hologram
is ill to the cause money, but that would be
when it cost that much money, I couldn't get it
done and get it done because my thing is that
should will be ill P spitting first with fucking on
staying even though it's a hologram. That's but let me

(01:52:54):
just figure out that is a big idea and down
down a lot. Oh my god, that that album, Oh
my god, that's quite also money about that, that's quite
through that album. That album is one of the best

(01:53:15):
hip hop albums ever over you're talking to the texts
wizard there. I know some dudes that can actually make
that ship happen and not be so expensive. It's the
way to do it. But now now we're talking up,
I'll talk about that. Let's do it. That's the way
to do it. Okay, gets a bugg the funk out.

(01:53:36):
If they see a hologram, that nigga que get the money,
look nig when the holograms, it's I can only imagine
what Coachella did with Pop came out. That motherfucker technology
is a lot fucking more advanced. Now, come on, move

(01:53:57):
real quick pop that Jermain dupri Diddy. I think it's
just that quick man. Did he? Yeah he just went
quick on that Missy or Bust Brown. Are you gonna
explain one? Yeah? Because yeah, because did he? He was
responsible for a whole coast and waving the whole like

(01:54:17):
little nigga. Jad is my nigga, but he's really more.
He has a lot of usher. It's his big ship.
They're gonna go to skating together. Still, that's just seen
them and roll the ship. Jade has a lot of
other ship. But jump, he got cross Chris Cross j

(01:54:40):
d I think put it to me though, who they
didn't do a versus him? And did he and Germane
de Bree, And that's that's a tough one. I don't
know who does Gotty want a producer? Wise, I don't
want no one. I don't want to do versus you

(01:55:01):
want to Scott Storch and I'm different. I always use somebody.
I'm not a producer on my own. It's always only
in the beginning was just dj V. But it's always
IRV Gotti in someone. So that's why. That's why I think, Uh,
people don't give me my producer flowers. They'll give me

(01:55:21):
up but he is the same thing. But you got
your flowers, saw It's like you though. I think a
lot of people, a lot of people, they don't really
even mentioned me as a producer, even though I'm out
produced a lot of these most every one of these names.
A lot of niggas produced. How you produce, Yeah, but

(01:55:43):
they don't say that. Niggas know that, though Drey does that.
But it's just it's known and it's even accepted more
that nigg is produced with niggas nowadays, like Kanye producers
with a lot of people. I'm saying, a lot of
games is produced with other producers coming through good old Ship,

(01:56:11):
Good friendship. That's that's friendship. Beautiful statement. Next questions, Missy
or bust Missy missy okay ye that yeah, Miss Cross
examines miss buster. They got hits, but Missy to me

(01:56:37):
has like bigger hits, timeless, bigger, bigger hits your head,
get your freak on before you're gonna head put you
put your hands in yours. See. I love the babe
with you. That's not only was her lyrics infectious. That

(01:56:59):
fucking beat was infectious. Yeah, it ain't no stud on
that I'm not drinking taking a shot. Was trying to alright,
this one. I don't know where you're gonna go with
this one. Old b bus Markey take a shot. Oh

(01:57:19):
you mother figure heavy man, because they go on, he
can't do that, and you know, and they've opinion great
at what they didn't do that. He was the artist
who did not take rap seriously and funny, oh b whatever.
So that's why I said, you motherfucker because I'm black.

(01:57:40):
Was so close to what they do. They were taking
serious seriously. I think I actually no ODB took it serious.
Started cash that mom, that's just shot. Pick up to Jesus.

(01:58:06):
Never definitely say that shot Okay, oh this is a
good one. This is can't be feeding me this beauty
mixed with heroin and episode y'all food that does because yeah,

(01:58:26):
you real talk? This that great? It's great, It's great.
I was, I was hid, but it took me to dude,
let's doing its job. You after listen, listen, listen, feed
him to heroine. You know, but this one, I don't

(01:58:50):
know who you're gonna go with this because you're really
you're really um connoisseur eighties or nineties hip hop nineties? Damn,
that was too easy. Yea, that was I mean, here's
my hip hop story. Okay, so hip hop started in
the semi three. Oh, by the way, do you know?
Next year is the fifty anniversary of hip hop, anniversary

(01:59:16):
of the greatest form of music in American history, the
home that has held more Niggers than I don't I
can't even I love hip hop Anniversary like with so
much passion, and hopefully me and BT will provide a

(01:59:41):
lot of hip hop worthy content. Can I just say
on that segue? Can I speak about the first movie
I'm making? Okay, the first movie I'm making is Tales Presents.
I want to say the Tales was like movie like,
so it was easy transition. So let me tell you

(02:00:02):
how God works, because this is all God, right, So
let me tell you. So, I said, I want to
do this movie, but I don't own a hundred percent
of Tales via Calm BT and buy a Calm CVS.
So I go to Bob Backash, big shout out, Bob,
if you're watching this, I love you. Bob Backages the

(02:00:25):
shaman and CEO of Viacom CBS. So I go to him.
He's a really good friend. I love you, right, And
I asked him. I said, yo, I want to branch
out Tales two films. I want to make a movie
now under the Viacom CBS umbrella is not just BT,

(02:00:46):
mt V, b h M T. They have the Paramount network,
they have Paramount Plus, they have Showtime, they have CBS right,
they also have Paramount Studios. So when I asked him
I wanted the use of the name Tales and things.
He says, God, he do you got money to do
it yourself? I was front at the time. I didn't,

(02:01:08):
but I said, yeah, just go ahead and make it
and I'll distribute it. Ill distribute. He gives me a
distribution deal on some just love ship and you know.
Later I asked him, why did you do that? He says,
I didn't want you fucking with like anybody, just go
ahead and make the movie. If I if I would
have did the deal at paramount, he says, Now you

(02:01:28):
gotta work for paramount. And there he says, I just
rather you make it, get your vision, your idea off
with no restraints, bring it to me. He said, Not
just make it good. He said, just make it good
and I'll give you. I ain't gonna say, but he's
gonna give me more, way more than I'm gonna make
for it. Wow, you know what I'm saying. So that's

(02:01:49):
how taals Presents we made in America. Big shout out
to Hove because I'm using women in America as the thing.
And it's the story clear it. This is why I
pick up some Kanye J. But this is why I
love Hoove and love you too, Kanye and thing. But

(02:02:11):
he was like, God, do you want to use that?
I said, yeah, now, mind you, I'm gonna use it
in the movie, in the television commercials, online campaign. I'm
using this everywhere you take it. He gave it to
me that's good. It gave it to you, gave it
to you. I love you, Jay, I love you Jane.

(02:02:36):
I love you to it man, you know what I'm saying.
But that's now we all know that record in America
sweet spe Jesus, I'm recking a superint that justin tip
On there too, no Jesus, but y'all, So now, Jake Clear,

(02:03:01):
is the record I wrote. I go to l A,
I write the script and it's a monster music hip
hop music movie. So I made all of the music
for it before and fucking it's gonna be a group
like one of the best theatrical hip hop music experiences.

(02:03:24):
It's dope. How about a soundtrack soundtrack on soundtrack on
soundtrack will coincide right along with it. But the crazy
thing is, I'm sleeping, and you know I'm I'm very
thankful to God right right now, I'm bigging up. Let's

(02:03:46):
give it up. Let's give it up for God because
the crazy ship nor I thought of this next idea
in my sleep. That's definitely coming from God. This is
what I said. I said, who else the fund can
I give it to? If all my fucking really really
great ideas, I swear to God, I'll be knocked out

(02:04:07):
and I'll wake up and I see it all in
a visual dream. So what I see most recently was
I'm having I was having problems casting the lead role
for Tales Presents We Made America, which has got to
be a rapper slash drug dealer because the story, let's
go back to the story. The story and the movie

(02:04:29):
is about drug dealers who start hip hop labels and
become successful. Very touchy subject. It's listen, just a celebration
of what hip hop has done for us. That's what
I wrote the movie, and it is dope. Most people

(02:04:51):
are gonna say, that's the laundry of money that people
were talking about maybe with some other guys. But n
he didn't catch him. It's too late. How it's too late?
My man was slinging. He says it in his rhymes.

(02:05:14):
You know what I'm saying, when my brothers told about
to start a hundred G packs that you know the
great story we cannot live is can I live? I'm
waiting for him in dn D because he's coming home
over five, coming from he's coming from getting to the
bag and we're sitting there waiting for him, and he
comes in and does his jay Z jay Z thing

(02:05:39):
and Rice can I Live? But that's why Reasonable Doubt
is so fucking raw. It's so raw because this nigger
was still a drug dealer while making the album. So
all that ship you hand, the crack of Roman in
the room, nigga, he just finished selling fucking ninety bricks
and fucking Keylo's and cocaine and now he's on his

(02:05:59):
way to the studio with a bag of money. If
that ain't if that ain't really in real, then what
the funk is talk? And we made here's another tad.
Bing was waiting for Nas old. He was waiting for
Nas to get on Can I Live? They no one, no, no,

(02:06:20):
no one now, But listen, we was waiting for Nas
to do the second verse to show up. That's what
started it because you was in the beef a lot, Yeah,
and it be all of that would be in the documentary.

(02:06:41):
So the crazy ship, it's fucking yeah, I was in
the VG. Maybe go back to naas or whatever like that.
But they we're waiting for him. We can't I Live?
And Nas was supposed to be on this bitch You
sure it wasn't that President? No, I'm sure I was there.
I was in the studio and they because that's president

(02:07:01):
sample nos voice right, yes, okay, I don't even place
you in that situation. Did you know he was there?
Recent doubt he's been like I think do hip hop
and on the album, but it's safe to say I
was Jay's like Cassiglia, I was helping maneuver ship. I
just totally stopped what I was doing because with blunt

(02:07:24):
t V T I didn't. I was like, we can't
win with these names. Steve, because I still listen to
get the force, you get the fortunates, but make me
go back to but Steve Godley had the ponytail. Yeah okay, yeah,
hold he had and at every meeting, at every meeting,

(02:07:44):
he will kick his feet shot, put his feet on. Yes,
you're corroborating story. He had the police head, three headcuts, naked, naked,

(02:08:06):
making feet on the temple. Told me don't do a
deal with him, and I still wouldn't have the meeting
wasn't people, you know, it was towards the end. What
he knew, what was gonna TV. Yeah, we gotta go
back to the handybody would have worked that different. Nod
at all no, no, staying moving chronic. He was he

(02:08:36):
could have had it roll. Yeah, that's because he had
rule and Dr Dre came through and could have and
the ningch nails was on their head nine chis. But
before all that he had he bought all the TV
TV teams. That's insane, like that was crazy and that's
what he was making money. And he decided to branch out. Wow,

(02:08:58):
please go back, go back? Can I live? Versus can
I live? Come on? Man? Okay, but he didn't show.
That's the end of the story. He didn't show. And
it was funny my mantone hook original flavor favor Okay.
So Jay rites the first verse. Now when you listen
to the Jay for it's one of his best verses.

(02:09:19):
Show Jay, can I live? First verse? I'll go cool,
but we got technical Come on, you gotta set it
off and help it out. It's sort of no, that's
that's that's Uh. You've been switzerling for way too long.

(02:09:40):
I'm too blunk. You can't give me all this fucking
Hallway hats and fucking wisdom. You're gonna start believing we
get you, Harold man. We're gonna stop talking. He and

(02:10:00):
I liked it. I like the heroines. Oh man, I
can't remember they can't and then we're gonna finish Creek time.
It's not no, it's just just definitely not anything. That's
the first I've been watching. Yeah, I've been watching nigga,

(02:10:22):
watching closely, watching every nigga would be closely but toasted
me pull that up because get you clapped close you know.
He was just he was just real talk. Jay was

(02:10:44):
just completely awesome and different. You gotta understand time to
build rule me and rules in the studio and he's
like he's looking at the So this is the first
time I've seen him doron record, right, mike one of
two on my Dronto album. So he's sitting there. I'm

(02:11:09):
keeping trying to handle a pad, like, yo, you want
to pack. But he's like if you ever seen Jay
do this, He's like looks crazy. He's like this is
exactly how he is. And his face is faced in
the wall and he's right, and I keep going you
want to write and he's like no, And then nigga,

(02:11:31):
he was like, yo, already like five minutes. He did
that ship fast. But he had a subject topic because
that's when he what the nig next niket done. Mean,
I'm like, why had this nick shing on the next
because he was upset, because he was upset that I
had ex closed in the record. You remember back in
those days, whoever closed the record? Right? He was like,

(02:11:52):
guy just so, he's like, you let him close the record?
I said, uh yeah, I like his energy on it.
He brings it up, hitting hell with you my for inches,
I'm gonna grab me niggat someone like my bitches crunty
but clothes dirty, dick, shitty and my knife bloody. I
did too much dirt to turn back. Now, I'm the
reason my little sister smoking crack. Now I feel guilty

(02:12:14):
if I had a heart, but I don't. Yeah, that
thinker was a from hell, that thigging with me because
he was truly a funked up he was. He was
truly a fucked up nigger who looking back there quick
time a slim ain't even one fund up a little
bit answering everything truthful. Okay, let's law la Miami. Well

(02:12:37):
that's easy, l A. I like living in l A Miami,
but let me put it just slamer. Miami is great.
But I don't I wouldn't want to live here because
you get popping a lot of ship in Miami and
just keep it and and keep it real, to keep
it real. If I lived in Miami, I'll be thinking
about we made our album. We made uh last Centation,

(02:13:04):
do it? We made Last Station in Miami. Listen made
las Centation in Miami. We made we made Rule three
three six in l A. Murder Manship Miami. You don't
want to work, la. I would go to the student Yeah,
I see what I'm saying. You understand what I'm saying. La.

(02:13:28):
I would go to the studio. I would come home
and it was like I could work in l A
in Miami is too tropical. I feel like this is
so beautiful that I need to suck my life off. Miami.
So beautiful, you say to yourself, but you get career.

(02:13:55):
Most it was small. It worked in there like okay,
it was the best place. Or gang Star you motherfucker
if you know no, if I have to, I told you, okay,
yeah the BRONC. You're gonna pick Heroin stay back, sucking

(02:14:22):
your your your fucking even Gus Jesus EPMDR Gang Star EPMG. Okay,
now this one I want you to stay here just
for this part your TV raps or um y'r m
TV or rap City. I just want to see b
t rap City. It's joining my documentary whip. Somehow I

(02:14:54):
didn't my own something. That's I calculate that somehow that
that's just correct. Okay, Big Pun or Big Ol, come on, man,

(02:15:21):
really really they both passed away and take a shot.
I'll take a show with you. You're a fucking ship.
I love Big Pun and I love Big Al. Let's
look where I got the right. So you do post

(02:15:41):
questions that you know you got to take a shot. Yes,
that's very true. Piece. This is because they let's go,
let's go. It's good. But this is a producing question.
I don't I'm not MPC two thousand Exile or the
MPC three three most school. Okay, that's old school as

(02:16:03):
but my nigga chick could make that excel. He could
make that bit sing like. There's certain people that I'm
pretty sure a large professor on the S twelve, he's
the crowd for the three thousand. My nigga a little rob.

(02:16:25):
When I say a wizard, this guy was a wizard
with that ship and Chinck with the two thousand excel
with three thousand but three. I see Primo as an
SP twelve guy because he started there. And trust me,
all of those rugged ass beats you could do. Me
as a producer, I could tell when I could tell

(02:16:48):
when a beat is made on the SP twelve hundred.
It just has a certain It has that dirt, has
that grid that pop loves. That's what I'm said. This,
this is a real reducing That's what I'm trying to say.
Hip hop. Oh God, it's the SP twelve hundred. I

(02:17:10):
like to say by two thousand, Nigga, I helped usher
to three thousand, and that's what That's what I'm saying. Like,
you know, like I don't like people listen, you know
it's the travesy that I don't get thing because in
all honesty, Nori like, as a producer, Nigga, I got busy,

(02:17:30):
real listen, real busy, like I got hip hop slash
music busy because you know, hip hop before then was
a lot of samples, a lot of things and how
to manipulated. But fucking my ship was like live instrumentation
and ship like that. Because I was I was, I

(02:17:53):
was blessed with having a little wrong in Chicken seven
and these niggas all played christ temas slim. So we
get back to he's giving great explanations and I got
I got accept supposed bean supposed to Tim Timer for
real O car Oh yeah, damn take a shot think

(02:18:19):
lie for okay, we accept that Rolex or Paddy Roles
is forever so paddocks, they kind of got it. They
kind of you know what picks the paddock that rule
got they stole right there. Listen, they stole from a
p shout us running of France. Wha, he's the president

(02:18:42):
of ap 's be all the apes when no one
else can. She said. But the protect bit, the AP

(02:19:05):
that watch that you got because he has an exact
watch like that. Now, rules is ruses rules Watch screams
fuck you, I'm living, I'm good. I see rules watch.
I said, damn, you're screaming, you're streaming, you're good to you,
you're good, No nor nor did you see to watch?

(02:19:31):
I see said good, Damn, you're screaming. You good. If
you didn't know, you know now it's not that word.
Come out. Protect bit. They bait the the AP stainless
still gold platinum one, the one with that type of band.

(02:19:54):
They beat that. Yeah, they beat that. But ya you're
going Rolex where you going tackle? Rolex Y? I'm a Rolex. Okay,
roll that's okay, cool. But you know what paddick is
rolling your rose gold your paddock rule is immaculated. Listen, no, listen.

(02:20:18):
I've seen a lot of watches. This is a different
level watch because it screams like what y'all don't know
if y'all don't know what rules like right in to
the camera, like rules are, rules are very much the

(02:20:40):
right shirt, the right he puts it together, Nick, I
just got this for full lock Drew. Here we go,
juice in the room. Hey, you're right there to good
dick sporties is I don't give a fuck, just say

(02:21:01):
to your gonna be on a drink chet and from
head to two. Ready, I don't even know how, but
let me just explain show I'm saying with some sneakers.

(02:21:21):
I don't even know what the fucking sneakers are. I
can't I don't know, I don't know what, but guarantee
expensive I'm not me and ruse poll offics is when
it comes in out, yo, disporting goods. It's nigging yo.

(02:21:42):
I'm mad he got to watch that. We're saying, watch
he got It is like the Illis watch. I swear
to you, it's like that. I looked at it and
I know I don't watching stinking got the watch in America.
Yea hey, niggers, don't think you you come trying get
him for that watch. I know you fucking robbing niggas,

(02:22:03):
because glory robbing unless you're ready to die. I's ready
to go ahead. Ny had no point. Lie, I'm dying

(02:22:31):
about Ruth nigga. Good ahead, I'm dying my nigga. Hold
on my nigga. Prince said the ellness slide. He said, y'all,
he princes, we can say y'all. He said the elless
line that I've adopted. He said, if my uncle and

(02:22:51):
print was died, he said, half of me would be dead.
The other half is solely devoted to vege nigga. If
that ain't the most gang, I was like nigga, but Joe,
I want of them. Niggas don't fun with Rule leaving.
Let's leaving a lost say two lives minding yours alright,

(02:23:19):
moving on, Nori, I love Rule? Is that you know?
I love Rule? Podcast on radio radio. I'm a dinnasa
fucking Dinna find you fucking Dinny say yeah, I just

(02:23:51):
love maybe it's I came up through. I was like, oh, Ship,
that's a fun next on drink tain got that's all
I don't but you know what, I'm glad to do

(02:24:16):
that one of my niggas. Let's go. Let's go, okay,
B Street, B Street or Crushbroo Jesus really, yes, that's
a little fun up. I can't drink. I'm already drinking
still the champagne. Just niggas, Crush Russell and Nigga. You

(02:24:41):
damn right, Crush Movies had the radio absolutely Yo, Letten,
Let's say this a little is responsible for building the
greatest rap fucking label ever, creating the Tongue no one.

(02:25:09):
I don't know Tungi. He's a good guy. Tonge is
probably a good guy. But I don't know Tungi. And
for def Jam to have someone that er Gotti doesn't
know running Depth Jam, no disrespect Tongji, but fuck you're

(02:25:30):
the conviction Manten Depth Jam. Who's really the boss? Depth Jam? Is?
I believe fun I'm so drunk. How do I know
this guy? How do I like, come on, you know
his name. I'm really drunk because this guy's name was Jesus.

(02:25:52):
It's the fucking weed. You know, I don't smoke weed.
It's these things have been feeding me, fucking Heroin and
fucking Jeffy's. I had four, had four every time, every
time come baby camp, every time I come to drink chains.

(02:26:14):
They give me fucked up the most side they've ever been.
These niggas is ever niggas, they ever niggas, because I'm
fucked up the most I've ever been. But let me
just ask before we move on, because at one point,
at one point, keen tweaking the phase the greatest sampage.

(02:26:35):
It's the greatest sampaign. God on your ear, fucking can't
do this. God has at one points at one point

(02:26:58):
that that was the industry that was beef, and the
industry was saying that def Jam didn't have you. Oh,
they didn't have Dame, they didn't have Darren joined the president.
You know what I credit. No, he's brand new. I
hope they fucking make me smelling get unfucked up. Okay,

(02:27:22):
yeah it's a silver candle. Yeah, he know you and ething.
This is gonna finish me. Yes, noise's I wanted to
get Hey, no, look I got im. He he's smoking

(02:27:56):
like it's me. He's fucking was saying, look my god, here,
I can't. I can't, I can't, I can't. Let you

(02:28:17):
look at me. I'm gonna got turn in the round.
I can't, I can't look. I'm gonna go. You gotta

(02:28:42):
turn up. And at one point he was saying, I
was going to run that depth game system. And now
even though you say you don't know, to me, I
mean I'm overwearting that. But there was a time. But man,
depth shame. Y'all fucked up because y'all should have gained
someone who watched Russell Simmons, who lived tim blocks for me,

(02:29:04):
watched Russell Simmons have a record label called death Jam,
and what inspired me to have murder rank like y'all
would have got somebody who not and listen, I don't
want the job now, so I know you're gonna hear
this and someone them saying we should have hired got it. Yeah,
you fucked up. You know what I'm saying. Because I

(02:29:24):
love death Jam. It wouldn't have been a job to me.
It would have been thinking, and I truly believe Death
Jam is the best hip hop label that America has
ever fucking seen. Like that was I would always say,

(02:29:44):
I would always say that d MX if y'all didn't
know were signed to Sony Columbia Sony first. I believe
rough House. They didn't know what the funk to do
with my nigga Death Jam. He knew what to do
with my next my favorite regime of death. If I'm wrong,

(02:30:08):
this is my favorite regime. Leo Colmbs, Kevin Les, Russell Simmons,
Judie Green was Mike Kaiser, uh Sam Cresco. Hold naming
he just named. If y'all don't know that you know

(02:30:30):
he didn't he named whatever you know about hip hop?
Understand this the names that he just named a lifers.
It's a difference when like, if the pandemic would have
hit during my tenure at Death Jam, he would have
still been in the office. Like we used to play

(02:30:53):
fucking Monopoly to two o'clock in the morning. He used
to roll dice there. I just get my hair a block.
I listen, not too critique or whatever, But people who
work with Depth Jam say it's like they'd be calling

(02:31:16):
it like Pregotti and post Gotti. You know what I'm saying,
because they were like, yo, you had that much of
an effect on death Cham. But I love death Cham
with every fucking inch. Me. Like when I interview with
Leo and got that job and then got X signed
and got John sign and Jay was already signed, I

(02:31:39):
was like, in career Heaven, I'm working with my brothers
and working with my niggas. I signed depth. Damno, you
told me what you told me, don't celebrate nigga like something. No,
that sounds like exactly something I'm saying. It was that

(02:32:01):
sounds like something exactly I would say. And this is
one six school along and this is one sixty varion,
this wants sixty back, Yes, it's want this is one
s No, this isn't making a transition, is what you
said to me? You said you don't have to work
harder on this label. You did. People said it in
an interview, and I fucking thought listen who said in

(02:32:25):
the interview, And I was like, damn, he's like, don't
celebrate rule said, I'm on deaf jam, right, but the
cop forget the competition within the label, right, it's so intense.
It's falcing you to make your best records. It's falcing
Luda Chris. Think about this. Ludle Chris was selling three million,

(02:32:49):
four million albums. It was kind of afterthought during this
tenure with j X and John Kaso wasn't with him.
Kaso was talking with us with Jay with Rough Friday.
That's it causes to this day he'd be boogie. He's

(02:33:09):
like these nigga's eyes. You know what I'm saying. The
competition like his artists, at all his artists. Now, I'm
not gonna say that I'm drunk. He already has Atlantic
already has problems where people wouldn't leave and talking crazy.
So we're not gonna add fuel to that fire. But yeah,

(02:33:37):
deaf Jam, the rules tell you that. But I first
heard because no rule said in an interview he was
like how he was explaining how a deaf Jam he
got to bring his best because it's so starved to
get attention from from death Jam. You gotta understand the

(02:33:58):
top three niggas is selling five, six, seven, eight nine
million a clip, and you understand who you're gonna get
it on a calendar you didn't get. There's only a
certain amount of projects just dropping it in the in
a twelve monthentt a fourth quarter nigger, So I never
had problems. We was always get the fourth quarters. Tember,

(02:34:20):
the big two summertime nigger. You never had a bottle
of y'all. I always knew September out of the labels
making all the money back catch fire. You catch that one,
you get a big first week. I'm telling you why
September October when you get a big first week, but

(02:34:40):
then what else? You get thanks Giving bump? And then
you get Christmas, Christmas, And that's why we're selling where
the mother was selling. Fucking like. I like to include
records sold outside the US because to me, I don't
understand what's the difference to lay was making it different.

(02:35:01):
You have domestic royalties and you have a cheaper lower
overseas royalties, which is jerking out of everybody because that's
what they're spending on overseas. There's nothing. They're taking everything, videos,
the album, all the ship that they have line items

(02:35:24):
for overseas. They just set it. Overseas sales is the
biggest scab and fucking record label history. Holy ship. Overseas
sales message labels, I mean not fuck the labels. I've
never had a problem, not one of those ad guys. No,

(02:35:47):
I want to be on a major because I want
to sell ten million. I don't know if you could sell.
You want to be on a major too, Keep that
making wait but wait, but it's a difference not You
guys are talking physical sales era versus no digital sales.
And I was the streams and this is a different
new way I'm taking. That was shot shot, That shot

(02:36:08):
sat the take. Here's a shot to only one to yeah,
give me one too. Here's a shot to being independent meanship.
That's that's the way, the way major. Why a lot
of PA, That's what I filed it all. I'm not

(02:36:30):
drink him now. Like everything everything you do, it like
everything I do, can't coming and it will get up. Okay,
I got three more. I'm taking a pit to hold
on one in there. One you don't even know we
made a Balkan use his line, you're Joey. I've drunk

(02:36:55):
his bot. I know when I stopped talking like this,
I'm different. We already got we got three more different
about great town, not more the fresh shot. This should
be easy for you. I don't ways finish. I took
a fresh shot. I'll magic doggy style. Jesus, that's a

(02:37:20):
tough one. He got a shot that he's coasting. Care
I can't take another shots. Let's take a shot of
amatic queens. Get the fucking money, fucking money, get just
two more. Latifa to Latifa, he like, come on, man,

(02:37:47):
that's kind of sun up. You know, I don't make
this man. Take us out of that. Like Latifa's family
NA like myself, but she made them think like you.
But I say the fun the records like family, take
the shot. I love yo. I'll fucking up for my teeth.

(02:38:11):
If I see my teeth. For all you with someone,
I'm snuffing them. I think tep you go hold of
down fail if you guys, hey winter. So if she's
sucking someone up, throwing some kids in that, listen, it's

(02:38:32):
only two and lifts and never quit your light light
details nick family, families for what And she's like, it's
a rocket man, I gotta take a shot. Take a shot.
And that's a woman power this woman proble. You see

(02:38:53):
all of them clips, they're the same ones that told
me the silent smile because if they wanted to sell,
don't take a sounding fish out the fucking this is
a big shot this and this is going to commit

(02:39:15):
to me, man, this is the document the murders team
on the Baby teams Carrol, who's telling you come on
two more? That s oh two cast? How Castle? You

(02:39:35):
didn't want ever, Earl, don't drink? Can now catch us?
Get out? I don't know we had someone, Yeah, right back,
and I happened to ear in finding out this bit.
We're going back the baby. We're going. I want the
people tell you out here this sorry thing that's gonna

(02:39:59):
be like, no, don't shouting, gonna say me out cast
Ugi k Jesus, you keep picking. He keeps picking like

(02:40:23):
out cast is fucking cool and everything right this nigga
old me listen to UK Nigga, Underground Kika and fucking
the Ghetto Boys Resurrection Nigga. That's all we listened to.
And then reasonable doubt when Jane made it okay um

(02:40:47):
so that is Ugi ko get Castle. That's both. Now
I gotta tell the fucking shot, don't you do it?
Let's take a shot, come into the sounna. He had
me right man, got it outside. I'm doing this side

(02:41:08):
and hey, I've never come outside a documentary. But Nori,
we've been moved this documentary. Did no the documentary. So,
but Nori, it's just so hard, this sucking say and
it's rule my right, yes, yes, brother, So with Nori
calls every fucking as of blood. If my body wants

(02:41:34):
to say no, nor how many times you could have
me and shot treat champs together, give me a little
get these SnO shot hip hopping back to know you're
a but you little baby, weeah And it's this one

(02:42:00):
it's easy. This one's easy. The last one loyalty. You
can answer that one to loyalty. That's loyalty. That's hard.
It's how about you? Oh what's fact? I like, did
y'all win against each other? Listen, we're not, We're not

(02:42:23):
David Letterman in you propressively further back because wild um,
I like loyalty. I want to say I would say
respect because respect and you see this goes to you know,

(02:42:51):
back to with this with the slap the whole ship,
because here's what I'm saying about respect. There's no safe
space for disrespect. And that's when people get it fucked up.
Like yeah, you can say what you want to do,
what you want, but I can also react how I want,

(02:43:12):
you know what I'm saying. So there's no safe space
for disrespect. How many times when it was in the
manhatan proper and motherfucker's telling juice and and that way
the right, you know what I'm saying. So so there's
aligned you crossing everything. And so I think respect is
the one I'm gonna go with because you gotta guard

(02:43:34):
that with everything in respect of it. And I'll you
know what I'm saying, I'll fight and die another from
respect my honor. You know what I'm saying. That's loyalty
is coming. Go to be loyal and say, Okay, loyalty
is biggest for me. It's big for me too. But
people I've learned to learn to learn that people are

(02:43:59):
not loyal. You know what I'm saying, People would not go.
But you know what, I'll be telling, motherfucker's all the time.
I love my family, like my immediate family, my brothers
and sisters, my mom, my dad is gone. I love
them so much. I don't really need nobody, So no

(02:44:20):
one could really get me off of my grind right
now because I'm so in tune with life and who
I am what I'm supposed to do. I'm just so
in tune with that. And I could go home and
chill with my mom Nini. I don't really need I

(02:44:42):
don't need nothing. I'm I have a great time with
need have a great fact. We need give his nile
bottom of water. This Nick is talking about just loving
his family and his mother. You know what I mean.

(02:45:02):
But let me let me, let me let me because
we talked about ship. But check it right, because we talked.
We talked about DMX, right. And one thing that happened
when DMX passed away was a lot of people went
to Twitter and they went to uh I believe Instagram
and started to say the accounts of what they thought

(02:45:24):
that happened. And one of the people that they say
they thought that happened that Russian judgment, was you right,
I believe we had Swiss beats sitting in the same
exact chair that just saying that. And I asked him
about that as well, and I said, yo, um, what
was the thing? And it was like, um, what what?
What was exactly what happened there? What? What you got it?
What happened is someone told me what happened, and I

(02:45:46):
stupidly said it right. But you know, I don't really
regret that as much as the other things that I've
done stupidly because X was never a faker in front
of her. So however he passed away, I think he

(02:46:09):
was cool. He would have been cool with his people
and fans and knowing I could be wrong, Oh good.
Yeah it's real, because yeah, that's real because I love
X to my core nigger ever, that's what I know.

(02:46:30):
I love X to my core nigga. Let me tell,
let me, let me stop, my bro. My brother is
a little busy, even drinking a little bit too. I
want to stop, and I want to I just want
to say no because this situation, to me, it was personal.
And I felt that I called got it right after
the whole ship and I said, yo, Gotti said that.

(02:46:51):
But what I realized in that moment is that and
that what I know, you know, he was a second
guess in his not at all said and I know
that you like like like like trust me. I know
it's so deep with us with me, and said I
knew he loved X, warn he loved me. You know

(02:47:12):
what I'm I'm just saying, I'm just some seriously any more,
for me equal. But I'm just saying. I'm just saying
I knew in that moment that he didn't mean what
man came up with it, but I had to explain

(02:47:33):
to him, like, my nigga, it came out very wrong,
my nigga, Like that wasn't the way you want that
to come out and right, And I'm mad, and I'm
mad at the public, folks, because the public don't understand
his his love defection for fact and so it hurts
for me to see all of that, you know, publicly

(02:47:55):
like that, and I'm like, yo, and I was, they
don't understand his love for the dog, and for it
to come out like that was fucked up. And I'm
just glad he hasn't chance to tweeting or something like
that because he manages that because he was managing X
at the time. But did he tweeting and he was

(02:48:16):
tweeting like like updates? Yeah yeah yeah, but I got
you know again, I love X, I know the inner
circle of X. I know everything with X. And I
was that's what I was told. So and did you
wind up going to the funeral or yeah, okay, yeah, okay,
it was just sorry, it was it was just sad.

(02:48:39):
It was just extremely sad day. But it was also
a day that I wasn't totally mad because I know X,
and X is with God and he's in heaven and
no more demons is no more thing, you know. X
told me. He told me like when he was a

(02:49:00):
young boy, his mother put him in a reform school,
which is like a jail, and left him there. Right
in that place, one of his friends, who he thought
was like a big great friend of his, he gave
him a blunt mixed with cocaine, sort of like the

(02:49:21):
Jeffrey that man he's voting up right now. But he
told me he was like, yo, gotty. That's when I
saw the demon And he said the demon is still here,
and he was that was you understand, Like once he

(02:49:41):
says that it's like a real ship and it's I know,
people may laugh or maybe they think little, but he
was like, hell, when I took a puff, I've seen
the demon and he said, the demon has never left me.
That's why I wasn't upset when I heard he passed away.
I was mad because y'all gotta understand. When I've seen

(02:50:01):
d m X, it was like he I loved him
and he loved me. Man. You know when it really
really hit honestly is when I quit Death Jam. When
I quit Death Jam, X found out. So when I
came into DreamWorks or somewhere no, I quit and Leo

(02:50:22):
called me back and I said, he said, what's He said,
what's the matter? I said, Nick, we ain't signed a
d m X. That's what the fun is the matter.
And that's the legendary where he drove up to to
to Yanks with with with with Lee Leock Jael. That's
when he got signed Leo, and Leo came out, Yes,

(02:50:47):
that's that's when. So that's when he did that, and
that's when next I signed. But real talk x X
is like X was like a person who yours to me.
He looked at actions, He looked at actions and wanted
to see and feel something real. When I quit Depth

(02:51:09):
Jam for me, he came back and he was like, yo,
you you quit your job for me? He asked me,
and I was like, yeah, like the thing signing, you
didn't fuck it. I don't want to be I want
I don't want to be anyway. And I can tell
y'all real ship from that day X was with me
a hundred percent like Darren and why I used to say,

(02:51:32):
with certain things you gotta gotta you collect. You don't
even will tell you know. When we did get at
Me Dog, Remember it was a freestyle first. You drink
Champs neant to know that, right, So it was a
freestyle first. So we and Chung King, which was right
next door to to Death Jams one sixty was seventy barrack.

(02:51:56):
So I'm in there and we're making me and Darren
made the hook to get at Me Dog, and Darren
was like, gott you know, you know Earl, he called
him Earl, Earl Simmons. He was like, you know, Early
ain't gonna want to do this, Gotti. He hates doing.
He's gonna be like he did the free style first.
I said, Joe, we need the first single though, we

(02:52:17):
need this record in this perfect got You know, he
won't say no to you, but he wouldn't say no
to me because of when I quit my job. He said, Joe,
he looked at me. He was in my office and
he said, Yoe, you put your job for me, Like
that was the first he walked in the office and

(02:52:38):
someone wants have told him like yo, gott he'd like
quit for you. And he came and he said, Yo,
you put you first question. You put your job for me.
And I was in my office. I said yeah. I said,
if they don't sign you, I don't want to be here.
And I promise you when he's seen that, he's seen
the love, he's seen the sincerity, he's seen the thing,

(02:53:01):
he didn't tell me no for his career. Damn. I
was like, I said, Yo, we knew exes browns. We
said the first verse would be this, second verse, third verse.
We had the verses everything. Because I've been with him
so long. I was just like, he just do these verses.
And I got the hook off of the freestyle. If
you remember the freestyle, He's just get at Meg. What

(02:53:23):
the damn? I said, Yo, that could you don't have
me Dug? You have me Dug and Darren killed in
the niggas want to be killing your niggas went to
rear and he did the hook and that I was
like yo. I was like yo, I didn't know that.
I was like, yo, call uh whatever. Locks because they

(02:53:46):
was hot, if you remember the locks was hotter than next.
I was like cold. One of the locks. He said
she get is the only one to do it that
I could do it. Doesn't call him, she came call
what they called the warlocks. Yeah, you know Walts before
there was they were already the locks. At this point,
did he have it was popping? Okay, you know what

(02:54:08):
I'm saying. So I was like, get one of the
locks and then walked background to the story is god
he would have needed to do And they want to
give me the love the shot to do it, but
it's my brother's love. Yeah, it's it's a rough froud
to record. It's cool though, it's a it's a run

(02:54:28):
froud to record. Hold on. When I look back at
like that, I'm happy they put up. They wanted to
put on their own person. Happy who wanted to do
the right she did, he said, He said, she's the
only one that that's gonna come right now and do it.
He was like grass feet and kids. He said that
got they kind of problems right now because they was hot.

(02:54:52):
He said, he said, just said it's fact. Was she
I don't, but I'm just going about one of their
own Now, were donna go back into some mixtape ship? Okay,
I got We've talked about it both times when you
guys were on I have the A debts. Don't look

(02:55:15):
over it. Look over here, man, I'm drunk. It wasn't
really gonna have murder incorporated. I don't want to talk
seriously about that. Why because it's gonna throw J under
the bus. What happened? What? What's this? What's this? He said?
The murder rings? Super Why did you? I'm gonna mix
tape getting these days? I got these tapes. J J

(02:55:36):
didn't want to do it. Jay, both times. I tried
two times. The first time I didn't just say anyone
talking about it. A lot of talking about Okay, cams
on you talking about this someone, man, but you could
say it without saying it. I don't want Jay to
get mad at me. But it was the same. But
it was a thing though. What burd incorporated as a

(02:55:58):
god was a thing that he wanted to happen. And
it wasn't the thing with J John like lace do this.
It was all me And that's the actual truth. It
was God's vision and dream. He wanted it to happen
for the three of us, and think about it. Crazy

(02:56:18):
gonna do but were told you can't. But there was
mixtape joints. I got at least two joints. We got,
we did joints. It was never in the studio, never
the same time in the studio together, because there's something
that I should have brought these This is something that

(02:56:39):
I knew. They all was fucking ill. And jay I
was like, these niggas is incredible, all three of them.
But you know, when I look back at it playing
one day morning quarterback, of course I'm happy and it

(02:57:04):
went the way then because I would have always been
a third win on that. You even know how fucking
came in and got busy, don't I would like no, no,
I would like to al I'm saying what I'm saying.
I wouldn't. I would have got busy on that album,

(02:57:25):
don't get me wrong, but I wasn't established as an artist.
I would like to respie hold the funk on. I
would all fine, and so it would have always been
looked at as you know, started your growth. You done that.
I would have felt out of very I I would

(02:57:47):
have exploded, but it would always been looked at as
job roun de tales of ex and jobs. This this
nigga can find because I get busy. There was a great.

(02:58:07):
Nobody every stopped, hold on stop. It was that I
had a chance to be me while they were also them.
You know I'm saying, and that was a beautiful thing
for me. So not that you fucking response, it's your time.

(02:58:28):
Excuse Hayes, excuse every wonder for this, for his logics,
everyone isn't justified. For the first time I tried it,
John wasn't as biggest EXJ. You're right. The second time
he's trying time like trying. He was outstting them, he

(02:58:53):
was out setting them. People say, Yo, it was fucking
you know your excuse at that point. Haze is always
all in. Even in the begin the year, though, I
would have know. I knew that that ship would have

(02:59:15):
been my fucking ben smart brother st I was feeling
fuck that I'm gissing you guys, I'm gonna this morning one.
He's talking about growing fun, so I didn't even fun.
My object was to brow the funk up and be
the biggest artists instable all this time, reasoning all this

(02:59:36):
epic glory, all of this epic what we're talking about
has fuel. White Job is a fucking legend. Makes a
little bit there wander ship like saying all of this
fucking neglact, all of this bullshit, all of this. You

(02:59:57):
know what, you know what used to he used to
say to me is screw ain't at me. You don't
know what he's screamed at me. They're not your fucking brothers, Gotti.
That's that's real streaming fucking brothers gotty. I am paying

(03:00:19):
his love intro Why you want to stop Chief from
menturprising crowd? After your line, you ain't got to talk
about all that? Know you know what'll listen really strong

(03:00:44):
and it tells my brother. The realist ship, the realist
ship is that night that we had that comment, that
that argument I made winning doubt you could counting your nigger.
That's the record. I'm moving for you because I want
to let you know. You know what I'm saying, they
can winning down you come on. That makes it look

(03:01:10):
that So this is why this is the love. Y'all
like getting the glimpse of why this ship is like this.
That's why I say. I just say when we U
was driving beat everyone had two guns. It was crazy, right,
Who's I just tell and interviews? Leave you alone? Leave

(03:01:31):
him alone, please, because if you fucking touching my sweater. God,
I'm killing you Nicka. Sorry bet youn't know you sun me,
but that's just real. But Yo, you want to Yo?

(03:01:52):
When I be looking at when Big Guy, I'd be
so like confused and upset. Even when Pop died. Why
sig why would you let this nigga stop to stick
out yo? Knowing that the stick is really niggah, Like

(03:02:13):
why can't we have my two legends here? I would
love to see what the world would look like a
biggian Pop was still alive, Like I really think about this,
don't and it gets me physically like upset, and I'd
be like damn man, Like damn, why would you let

(03:02:34):
this nigga stick is Tupac and this stick is That's
why when I'll be said, like, Yo, Tupac, this thing
was the realist fucking nigga alive. He wasn't just rap
he was would know he was the realist nigga alive.
This nigga blast of that undercup of copsition because that

(03:02:54):
was for somebody up another black man. Don't ever compare.
You ain't too nigga stop, You ain't fucking none of
you niggas just doing that ship y'all pulled out, pulled
the thing and blasted at them niggas because they was
fucking with the nigga Jesus Christ sticking. It's like and
then Pain is one of the ship. What's that Nigga

(03:03:18):
Lamart Hill, he's for works for bt Lamont Hill. Nigga
I recited the whole third verse to Pain and from
the Lamar Hill because he said and kind of like
downplay the disrespected to nigga Pope. I've seen that nigger.
I was like, like Nigga nykt like better to get
my slug on that my clippings, motherfucking gloves on. I

(03:03:42):
ain't skint the blast on these niggas. If they test me,
trust I got my glock cock prayer player. If they
pressed me, busts on mother bumpa fucker's with a bash.
Better ducks. I ain't looking when the blast. I'm a nothing,
drinking him to see and getting high on the lookout
for my enemies. Don't want to die? Tell me why
because it's stress getting made a book before the face

(03:04:05):
with the razor. What can I do or be? What
can I do but be a dog and till him
dead and gone? Can I do for be a dog
and kill I'm dead and gone. I screamed that ship
in Lamar Hill's face. He was like, yo. They kept
trying to stop him in verse something like this out
there and kept fitting it in his face. And he

(03:04:26):
was like, I understand, they don't. Don't just respect Pop
me not Pop. Think about his life. He lived what
he was saying. He lived exactly what the funk he was?
What can I do? Be a dog and tell him
dead and gone? He died in some gag banging ship,

(03:04:46):
nigga crazy? What can I do but be a dog
and till I'm getting debt and gold, keep my brain
on the game and say headstrong, He's sorry. Bastards want
to kill me in my sleep? How only can it be? Said?
He dugging, said he dugging on the street, said he
busted on the street, And I'll be bawling low. Don't

(03:05:07):
let the bitches worry drinking tea, keep thinking bury. I
was born to raise hell the nigga from the Gutta
where the mother. I'm touched. I'm kicking dust up, ready
to bust someone to see, said he mugging me until
they kill me. I'll be living this fucking life. Do
you fail me? Nig You got to feel that new

(03:05:34):
man totally off subject, totally off, it's different. We gotta
totally subject. We can't do it being dug and till
I'm dead and gone'll be best. Just want to kill

(03:05:54):
me in my sleep. So let me ask you, because
at point you and Mike Geronimo did kind of seem
like y'all was gonna be the new Diddy. We're back
on Mike geronatle because we hear watch this. Here's an
answer for you that nigga. Come on, I'm drunk, but
it's really weird and you feel nigga. Fuck you, nigga.

(03:06:19):
You thought I wasn't the one who guess what, I'm
the one, nigga. I'm on the fucking one. You're doing
all the Pete Vocking in Large Professor and Shot Lodge
Professor because I learned how to make beasts from Large
Professor and in Premiere and and it was. But you

(03:06:39):
thought that was the one. Nigga. I'm the one, Nigga.
I'm gonna make the mother fucking hits Nigga that you're
gonna remember forever. You don't remember forever, yo, yo yo.
You know hold on, what happened? I ain't gonna nain't
no names right minds. Turn the norriy candle around. Look

(03:07:01):
at you. I can't. He looks like he's savings, like
he's gonna saved. But listen, listen, motherfucking what the fun
did you? Mike Geranomo, Mike Geronimo and he ran all
of these and I'm like, this ship is so crazy

(03:07:25):
and I understood, Like, no, I don't understand because I
made she real that was I made okay job And
don't understand. Let's playing you, Godi. You wouldn't. I'm not
taking up from Mike. I'm not taking up from So

(03:07:46):
why didn't you move like that? Don't make no that
you That's what it is trying to explain. That's what
it is, says you don't understanding. What's trying to hold on?
Let me plan it to you, let me splin it
to you. The reason why is because Gotty, you were

(03:08:08):
a new producer at the time, and you and you
brought him to where he was at that moment. But
he was from that area and those dudes were bigger
name producers at the time that he wanted to work with.
That's it I don't by so when I say this
ship and I gotta memory, memory like an elephant, nigga,
I don't. I don't forget shit. Shit. You can pull

(03:08:30):
up the fucking Houston Rockets and Golden State Warrior's game
that we was there, and you'll see Contino Cotino on
the line and going like this. You may not see
me because the camera ain't going. It wasn't to the benches, No,
we understand. You understand like it was across the bitch.

(03:08:53):
So you're gonna see the back of my hand, and
it ain't Nicolson's. Nicolson's you see what I'm saying, Chasey's
you see us, you know what I'm saying this, You'll
see the back of my head. You know what I'm saying.
But if you pull up the tape, you're gonna see
Patino going like this at the line. He was shaking
his head because I'm screaming to nigga, the lie is eight.

(03:09:15):
We need both, Nigga, I got one seventy five on
this bitch, and this niggle was like the stick. The
rest was laughing at me. Everyone knew it, but you
know who else knew? Fucking gilber and read it and
they said I'm anna fuck niggai and John was giving
it to the stick of the whole game. John, he

(03:09:37):
gotta one secon five was like twenty five thousand. I
had like fifty thousand. My brother had like twenty five thousand,
but it was one seventy five. Told you're gonna to
tell you another thing too. One time job was from
my video. I did a record, but you you guys
charged me at the asshole. I did a record with y'all.
It definitely charged me, definitely, just took half of the

(03:09:59):
button story. You didn't even put out the video. You definitely, yeah,
I didn't charge him that. I was like, seventy five, Yes,
I didn't charge you. Man. I was like what I'm saying,

(03:10:22):
I don't understand what I'm saying. At the time, you're
charging motherfucker's street hunted two fifties, Like, y'all, you me
a favor, this caount go two fifties long at this
seventy five? Right, but check it so we filled in
the video. If you're in the video, Lennox Lewis comes
to the set, Joh does the same as Hanmer goes

(03:10:44):
up the lex Lewis and goes Tyson, go fuck you up.
I'm like, wait a minute, we were this, we was
we was Tyson, We love I wanted lys at my
video We love Mike Tyson. We don't told you got this.
You don't just fun it from the UK. You don't

(03:11:10):
in the video they said, you chuckle Gilbert to read
this into into it on the video with me and you,
Melis came about and you told him you said you
want okay, Yeah, together we were to get on TV kid.

(03:11:43):
Everyone that doesn't know when I looked this way, it's
four women that's with BT that knows him about it,
that doesn't about to get funked up because sucking nor right.
And I told him when they had the sidebar with
me about silencing young uncle, I told them I'm gonna
be fun, to which they said you need to get

(03:12:07):
a shot at him, to which they said, okay. They
fucking said they knew I was gonna get fucked up.
They said, listen, when you look at us, can we
go as it work? Doesn't work? Yes? Yes, And there's
certain things. There's certain things that I was gonna talk
about them. I see Tshi give me the sipping and

(03:12:30):
I fucking sipped it. So getting getting back to the documentary.
We we, like we said earlier, we established that we've
seen the rough Rider one and we've seen the No
Limit one. How does and you've got Tales going already,
So how does it tells? Season three for my Tales
people is coming on right after the documentary? The documentary.

(03:12:50):
The document is what we call in the business, the
lead end. Okay, so how do how do they approach
the feature? How the feature? Because I want to say,
want to end it? What you you don't know that yet? Okay,
we're seeing real time, real time. Tasha is like, we
don't know, and I'm like, fucking I gave you that info.

(03:13:15):
But this is a little thing going on. This was revealed.
Oh he just swissed glasses and he's a fashion guy.
He's a fashion guy. You don't understand. You don't understand.
I told you, naughty. How does your apparently sparting good

(03:13:38):
pick that fucking get that this will be my great
champ T shirt? And but how do how does because
you already have a great relationship with BT with Tales
I love, how did they how do they approach you
about the documentary and the documentary? In all damn I
don't want to say this, but I'm gonna keep it

(03:13:58):
real because I just keep real. Right. So they called me.
They called me, That's how they called me. After Rough
Frider Is in No Limit did astronomical ratings for BT.
Great documentaries by the way, great. I love those right,

(03:14:20):
So they called me, got even gotta have the Murdering Dot.
It's a huge dock, so they first thing I said, Yo,
I went live nation in my nigga Michael Rupino, could
you get it from them? And and and great to
bet Now, BAT gave me my first look with tales. Listen, listen,

(03:14:46):
I mean blouse, that's not how they sounded. Listen. Let
me let me blow BET for one second, Stephen Helen.
BT gave me my first opportunity. They gave me a
chance to do tales. BT will always always be with me.

(03:15:08):
I forever loved them. They really can't do nothing to
make me stop loving them because they gave me this opportunity. Yes,
it's one on account all BT. I'm cool with that
because I love those motherfucker's. They gave me the ability

(03:15:29):
to do what I'm doing, and you know, full full
like five degrees of separation. Nothing happens for me. Let
me tell you the time of my life I was
in at that point, no one was sucking for anything.
I would have great. I would be like, you would

(03:15:51):
leave me, you know when you killed me. You're like, man,
I killed that. This is gonna be good. It's gonna
be great. And nobody fused with me. Why because I
had that dark cloud over my head for the Feds
in that whole indictment and doing super ugly and doing
super ugly. So now Stephen Hill, I pitched him tales, Yo,

(03:16:18):
We're gonna take great hip hop Breacords and through the
inspiration that will make one to two hour films. I
fucking love it. He gives me to deal yo and
jay Z's executive producer as well. Right, let me let
me explain. Let me this also might have got fired
in a minute. I didn't know it took a twist
like that. It's a twist. It's when. So now he

(03:16:43):
does Tales, but he only signs me to a backdoor pilot.
Backdoor pilot for everybody means he's not committing to ten
episodes or eight episodes, committing to one episode if the
ratings as well, will do more episodes, which is like

(03:17:03):
a white label. It's exactly for music is translation. Okay,
So now I say, damn, I only got one episode.
I need I need Hove. Hove is starting title. I

(03:17:25):
know Hove once content for title that's exclusive you on title.
I call Hove, Yo, I'll give you the second window
of tails. So like after a week or whatever, BT
chooses thing and just give me a little a fraction
of the money. And BT is playing a clean version
for lack of edator corrections. I made a clean and

(03:17:45):
dirty like a record. So once he does that. Now
when in the office me, Jay Z, Stephen Hill, Darryl Walker,
Chris McCormick, Chris brad Go of Indomar Shine, we're in
the office together, and let me tell you just Jay
walking in the office had everyone like giddy and ship.

(03:18:09):
If you ever want to close this deal, try if
Jay just get j Yo. When Jay walks in Yo
that but he is my disclame of how good Jay is?
You want to close the deal? If Jay's in the
room to answers, yes, so I get JA. I say, yo,

(03:18:29):
you want this title, just start and you get the content.
You get it a week to two or three weeks
after it comes out and be good a title. Yo,
that's dope. So in that meeting Stephen Hill, Jay, what
do you want to do? Like it was all about Jay?

(03:18:49):
He said, Jay, what do you want to do? What
do you want to do with this? You know what's
what's going on? They happy to be in a room
with Jay. Jay says, when Gotti is in his creative
ship like this, what we all need to do is
give him whatever he needs and get the funk out
of his way. It's the best alley in the history

(03:19:10):
of So, Jay says this. Stephen, Stephen Hill, and Daryl
Walker turned to me, So, God, what do you want
to do? I said, Yo, we just got one episode.
Daryl Walker. Daryl Walker? He rr I pen d Miller. No,

(03:19:31):
Daryl Miller is my attorney. In my attorney. He's every
black person's attorney. I didn't know that. Yeah, every if
you're a nigger in the entertainment business, Daryl Waver, everyone else. Okay, okay,
So you know when I do this and I'm talking

(03:19:54):
to what the fuck what I'm talking about about? That Walker? Y'all? Okay,
Steve Right, I said, Yo, we only got one episode.
They was like okay, and they basically changed the backdoor
pilot to a full fledged episode deal. But I won

(03:20:15):
the first season of Tales. That's that explained. I just
gave you the reason why you got the big Omi
in there. In all honesty, they made a mistake, beautiful.
You know a lot of people ain't making it. I think, God, like,
here's another thing that I want to get to the audience.

(03:20:36):
I gave my female a thing about bitches and everything
like that. Hopingly you keep it and they see it right.
And then the other thing with me is I'm like
ridiculously spiritual. And you know it's crazy because the trial,
my federal indictment brought me closer to God. But that's

(03:21:02):
a documentary in itself too. Yes, it is because when
I was going to trial, I would I didn't want to.
I didn't wanna asked God to save me because I
thought that would be a bitch ass nigger nigga. I
ain't been talking, you know, I'm like, saved me, Please,

(03:21:24):
God saved me. So I didn't do that. Instead, every
day I listened to Mary J. Blige in my life,
and it brought me to tears every time when she
goes to part of and I know that things will
turn out right. Yes they would, Yes they would. I'll

(03:21:47):
cry if you play that record right now. It's a
I'm gonna cry on that part. And like like when
I went when I see Mary for the first time,
I dropped to my knees and I was like, Yo,
you're my queen forever forever. And I asked that, I said, Yo,
who fucking wrote my life? She said I did, And

(03:22:07):
I was like, damn you just they don't know. There'll
never be anybody over married Jus because when you listen
to my life, it's a spiritual record. She's talking about God.
She's talking about believing in God, and if you believing
God would like so Mary the ultimate for me. She'd

(03:22:38):
been the ultimate, she was ultimate for me before that.
But when I found out she wrote that record, Jesus
Christ like, I was like, I just looked at it
and dropped to my new knees and bowed my head
like she's my queen for real. I love fucking Mary
j Black. I fucking nig up over Mary j bicking

(03:22:59):
a lot of thigs up today. I ain't ain't no,
I ain't top physical fit, but ya listen, I'm letting
you know. I'm going maybe the one another, but I'm

(03:23:20):
cooling with But you committed. You committed. You're not talking
with wood fucking Pream like like yo previously you got
him for protection. I said, nig say some crazy shit
about Pream in front of me. I'm sucking them up.
I said, Its the same mother fucking way, Chris Black.
You want to say nothing before you get up out

(03:23:40):
of here. Let's get it. Hey, you do this ticket like, no,
didn't do you see this ticket classes? This class is
probably like five calling you. That's step up, like stop face.
I never lied, even when I lie, Well, I don't lie.

(03:24:05):
Think I don't anybody. I can't never. I'm not definitely
using to put the promo the other shing I said it.
I never lied this claimer his thoughts is this to

(03:24:32):
use in the views expressed by you got it? It's
basically sold serious show and John about by the way.
I love Switch. I swear to God, this is something

(03:24:53):
I'm telling you. I always in the most I've ever like.
I don't even really feel like this. No me, I
don't go out. It's beennybody by like nine in the
clocks to betnybody shut out. Bye bye. I think I
say I'm up earely working. I think I'm striking that
you take another shot. I'm gonna keep it real. Let's

(03:25:14):
actually look. You gotta look at it and let me
look at him. You gotta drinking shot, okay, saying I'll
do another ship not all h Honestly, man, when you

(03:25:36):
and y'all did what y'all did with murder in't you
know it's gotta be. I want to really give y'all
your flowers, really salute y'all to your face. You know,
I'm used to come up with a murder inc um
and you have to drink Riby Martin. And I just
was like, man, you guys gotta start calming down. And
I started bringing Peenot Guigio to y'all. You know what
I'm saying, introduced us. I'm not giving you the first

(03:25:56):
the first time I've seen Peenot guise when I was
keeping it with more you're talking. You know she was
a peno gran carry two us on film. It's supposed
throw that out there, But let me just see something
y'all keeping y'all up because what y'all did, Like I said,
just be going through your discography me really understanding, like

(03:26:17):
you know that the hints that y'all it's the classic albums,
the hardest that y'all you do and all that, and
I'm just sitting back and I want to really give
your guys that flowers literally and uhgulally and fucking you know,
see your face, because y'all really remarkable people. You did crazy, crazy,

(03:26:39):
crazy things and you have to be siblutely for you
got my flower. Yes, sir, yes, thanks for joining us
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