Episode 352 w/ George Clinton

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every now and then. You know, when we do our job.
If and um we get blessed, this is this is
probably this is beyond blessed. This is an icon, a legend,
a tycoon. If you're born in the nineties, you're probably
your parents probably smashed to his music. You're probably born

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off of his music. And in the eighties, your mom's
probably got smashed to his music. Let's just say all
the way to that. If you're a hip hop ear
the oldest man. When this man walks in the room,
he pulls a dust off his feet and brush off
his shoulders. Because I kid you not, from everybody from

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ice Cube to Doctor Dre to Snoop to whoever, you
actually heard this man's records and thought it was their records,
and then when you went back and heard they said,
holy shit, that was the fuck. That was the That's right.
This man is, like I said, the icon of icons.

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He birthed all of us, all of us at hip hop,
we owe him. We gotta say salute. And his catalog
is so crazy. Like when we put the playlist together,
it just kept calling and going and going, and you
youngest is out there thinking, y'all a one hit in
case y'all don't know who I'm talking about, we joke

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out the one the only started out claim, so how
is everything? How's everything? Man? I like you guys, right,
that's right. I'm doing good. I'm glad to see we
had some kind of fact. No, man, I'm glad to

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be still hanging out with you guys. Ye. Man, I'm
gonna be honest man to um. You know, at first,
when we started this show, we would just interview our friends,
you know, people that you know, I'm a hip hop artists,
just people that you know. And then we started to
you know, and a few people that we look up to,
all the people that we've never met. And when I
go through your disography, when I go through your your

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life story, it's just like, wow, man, you you are
really really a legend, legend and you out here still smiling,
still touring. Man, I've been blessing this shit. I started.
I started back pre motown here. I started back in
the do wop days, when you you know, you made
they made records for your dance up closely grind and shit,

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you like the fire and you like that. Ye No,
it was this slow basement with the links up that
was the fifties. So I started, you know, back then
at Frankie Lyman and all of that, you know, and
we've moved into the motown. They have temptations with my
Ales and Smoking Robinson, all those those my adles. By

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the time when you had a hit record sixty seven,
they were peaking. Motown was peaking that Jackson that just
came to the label, you know what I'm saying. And
we figured we missed that, so we got one hit
record out in fifty sixty seven, and you're located wearing Jersey.
I was in Jersey at the time, Nework, okay, but

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you were born in Arth Carolina, Carolina okay, and went
to Playing Field of Newark. I was worked in playing Field,
I was. I did hit. Oh yeah. So in the
process of the dudes, you know that was playing out.
Jane Brown say cut your due off. So that ship
was playing out. Afros was coming in. So we got
to hit record just in time with a record called
I Want to Testify. Yeah, that was and like I said,

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we was into the motown thing, but it was peaking.
It was as soon as we got to hit it
that time. It was compared you to the Temptations. Yeah,
we were you know, we weren't tall enough. We were
so you know, we was cool, but wasn't that cool.
But we got that hit record, and like I said,
it was changing. Rolling Stone Beetles and European was coming

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in to the country doing the same music that my
mother and father liked, you know, the blues, the twisting
shout from the Ousley Brothers music from the mid fifties
and stuff forties. They were doing that. So we realized
that we had to change. We had to change our
style rate. When we got a hit record and we

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flipped it into the what Jimmy Hendrix was doing with
the psychedelic you know, the acid. We dropped our share
of ascids. We got fucked up and the next thing,
you know, we was in that. We had to get
to our player. We were just listening to a few
minutes ago Eddie Hazel did the record Maggot Brain. So

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we were a psychedelic rock band black It's like an
underground music. We knew we wasn't trying to get forty
five everyday, hit record forty five every months. Dell me mushrooms.
I said, it was lsd yah. Mushroom was like mushrooms
the height of like the Vietnam War, the height of

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the Vietnam War. That that whole movement was about stopping
that water, you know, the hippies and everybody that was
tripping and looking for you know, that far out place.
Well we did that. We were lame as hell, but
we did that and went crazy with it, you know,
because we thought we was cool. We did had the
best asset. You know, we freaked out and like I said,

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we had best get to our player and keyboard player
in the world, Bernie Warrell keyboard player, classical trained Eddie
Hazel who was like the next Jimmy Hendricks. And then
we had I'll dual singing group Billy Bass was all
of them was under sixteen. Wow wow on the band.
Our band was like our little brothers. We were like
twenty nineteen and twenty and they were like fifteen and sixteen.

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So we had a hell of a band that nobody
else could keep up with. You know, we were doing
psychedelic music with the black Man. We went back to
played Apollo Theater and you know, we had changed from
the suits. They knew us with suits, and we came
back there with dark cheeks and diapers and nothing. We
was wearing anything. They got anything need for the handle

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and like I said, were tripping, so we was extra cool.
So did that come from tripping or was the wardrobe?
We probably probably would have did it anyway, but we
were down for whatever it took to make it. But
just so happened when we made it. The kids was
in charge, the hippies was in charge of everything. You know,
that was where you got your education and that and

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we got pretty much educated on the road because we
played a lot of colleges and ship But let me
ask you something, right, hip hop started to emerge and
you started to see like the first people of hip
hop they started. It felt like they were membericking you. Well,
you know what you feel. We got it, African member, Yes,
we got If you know one of our albums called

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Uncle James. If you look at the back of the album,
it's got all our fans from each city from the
fan club on Africa. Bimbada name is the first name
of album. Oh he was like fourteen and fifteen years old. Okay,
this was this was I mean, holy shit, I didn't

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know Zulu Nation and all of that was like the
first thing that you know that we saw. You know
of that and we got familiar with the real early
in the game. Didn't know what it was gonna be.
We had a friend from the Bronx. They used to
sell T shirts for us. He was sixteen and he
used to be had a boombox on his back and
he played flashlights and he was selling the flashlights and

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he was rapping to the music. This was doing the
intermission between Boots sets and outset. He would sell so
many flashlights from rapping like everybody lightd it and it
was it was already happening in the Bronx in Brooklyn,
and and we didn't know and they kind of hiped

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us to it. And from then on we watch Public
Enemy Rock Kim was my favorite rape from Dave one. Wow,
I mean all the way through, you know. Um. I
watched him do his thing and the whole hip hop
thing was it was like p funk continued. We said, people,
p fonk was the DNA for hip hop, you know.

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And I got a friend over that, Mark Bass. He
produced them and him's first seven albums. Oh Wow, I
produced Yo, I produced him. He produced my son right
back when they first started Wow, you know. So I
watched all of it, drede them when we came out
to LA. They used our name Uncle Jams Army, that

(09:55):
was the name of the club him in battle Cat
and all. But they was DJ. They hadn't even had
NWA yet. So we watched them go from there. They
world class, world class, Yeah yeah, yeah, watched them, the
whole LA dream Team and all of that. We was
raped in with them providing beats. I mean, I made

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an album called Sample. Some of disc and sample some
of that because I saw it coming and there was
getting in so much trouble trying to sample and not
get caught up. Had it we made it available. It's
still did work. I mean the record companies beat us
book anyway, but we made it available. We knew that
we had to be a part of this because this

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was the day a phone. It just changed names and
so we became part of that and we stayed with Again,
we did one of our records tweaking with us regul
when they first started. Now you did one of the
like me and Earn thought we were smart at one time,
and we had did we sold one show, but we

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sold it three times right like meaning we had a
prescription base, we had it on YouTube and then we
had it on three distributions. Show. But I'm looking and
I'm like the Parliament and the fer it but the
same goddamn I was Not only that his band was

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the same people too. The same people that played in
Bootsie's band was the same people that played I was
like yo, he sold the same band and the girl
roof the Bride to fucking stein Parlette was the same
people again. Boots he played bans on this, he played

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a berner, he played on him. We all were the
It was sixty was the first sixty people. I'm like Holly,
sixty people we went when we went out on tour
with the Mother, just sixty people in the same sixty
played on everybody else's record. You just be the lead
this time when we back you up, you be the
league next time we back you up. Let me let

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me look at the people right now. Ain't nothing new
under the sun? I mean we do. We We really
like foot Tank because they got the content they got.
When when I when actually, that's exactly what I thought
of the first thing I thought of when I when
I when I said that, I said, damn got that
got everybody everybody with each other, because that was my

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next question. When you what the bands wasn't on the
same record label? No, no, no, we was on all
the labels. Matter is genius a matter of fact. That's
what got us in trouble because they looked around and
we had somebody on every label, and they thought we

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would eventually start our own label and call everybody back
to the label and you be the motown. We didn't
want to do that. Everybody was doing all right, where
you were. We had a bunch of young kids behind us,
my son and all the other bands that was ready
to be on our Roger Troutman. A lot of people
don't know we did more Bounced to the House. Wow,

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that's a that's a p funk record. At the same time,
Knee Deep one Nation on them. We did Roger. He
was rogering the human body, you know. And when he
came up with Roger album, that was the beginning of
separating the record companies were so scared we was gonna
become Motown again because you know, Motown took over the
dance floor. They owned ship right, and that was the

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first black ownership. Yeah, and they did it so seriously
in the industry. Was never trying to let that happen again. Damn,
this is so much history. You know, I ain't gonna lie.
They started drinking. I was. They started trying to split
us up Club Solder and with a lemon Yeah, all
the ship. So how do they go about splitting you
guys up? Like what were they getting? Everybody's here, they

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get they come between you and your friends, right, that's
how did they separate you? If they Then he said
he ain't getting paid, you ain't getting paid, you ain't
getting paid faster, and they'd be in control of the payment,
right So it ended up if they work getting in
between you, you end up having a problem getting your
people together. Right now, we're going through that trying to
make reacquaint ourself with all our friends to make sure

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they get paid. I'm working with Ben Trump right now,
you know, trying to get the whole industry thing for
you know, black musicians and all musicians. Really, I don't
know if you've seen it, but Chuck d had filed
the lawsuit against Universal and he actually won its whole
like actually like because these contracts that were they were
saying that was being signed back then wasn't legal. They're

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not they you know, they they trying to say that
they you signed for life, perfect to it throughout the universe,
thene of that stuff thought. But you have to be
able to do it from a civil rights standpoint, the
law standpoint. If you didn't do it in time, you
got you know, grown out of time. They got all
those legal things they can we go with your lawyers,

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right so, and you have to worry about your lawder
getting paid off on under the table and all that.
So we've been doing this, fighting this for like thirty
five forty years. Now we got it pretty much under control.
We're getting our copyrights back because say Ben Trumpet is
our lawyer, along with some expert music lawyers, and we're
getting ready to get the news gonna break in a minute.

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You ain't gonna believe the stuff that you hear. You know,
songs like Humpty Dance, the Humpty Dance and all that
was out when they were a singing group, before they
ever rapped, when Tupac was dancing, they were you know,
we were playing with them. And the song they did
Humpty Dances, um Let's play House on a Parliament record

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and yeah, Let's play House and it has been sampled
so many times. And one of the things that happened,
my son, you know, came up with some of the lyrics,
so he was one of the writers along with Bootsy
and Juny. They somebody in the record. Come no, I
don't even want to call the names now, but you

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will know you can tell them to me. You're here
it in a minute. You're here in a minute. Change
from my son's name to my name, because there was
already stealing my stuff from a forward signature that they
said that outside that he because if it's under your
name and they could they could play already did that.
So they changed it from his name to my name

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and then took it. And this has been thirty five
forty years as so many samples of that song that
right now is getting meant to be one of the
biggest cases in the world. Like I said, Ben Crump,
and it's gonna be a civil rights thing because it's,
um you talk about truly come about to a history,

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something you're supposed to be able to pass down to
your generations generation, generational, generational, and it's planned like that.
Everybody had to agree to do it, you know. You
know what I'm saying. All the the record companies had
to agree. Oh yeah, you sample mind, I won't charge you.
I stamp for yours, you don't. And the artists get charged, now,

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don't you say an artists And they took money from
the artists. I mean, I tried to get snooped. We
was gonna have a um what's it called. We had
a royalthy statement party. You come to the party and
bring your royalty statement. Go to this party, bring your
roalthy statement and we compare royalty statement ship. I was

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you know, I talked too much, you know, so I
said it out loud before, you know, before we did it.
And of course they started locking their the hip hoppers,
they got them locked them, you know in the beginning,
started making them sign contracts where they couldn't do nothing
about it. But that's the way we was planning and
still gonna do it. I was gonna be part of
the movie and everything else. Got to go to the

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royalty statement party. Bring your roalty statement. We come here
what you got, paid what you got, and it don't jail.
I don't think get like three words. He's of my life,
so I think I'm gonna be I don't think they
let me in the worried the statement party. But that's crazy. Yeah,
but that was some of the things you had to
do to try to make sure you stay tight with
all the other musicians, because whatever happened where they looked

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like they did it or not, it most like they
didn't do it, or if they did it, they did
it out on you know, and they were in trouble,
you know, like me and him. He had this argument
on the show where he always always compared what do
we like more major record label or being independent. He
always picks independent. I always picked major. But when I
hear stories like that, it always make me safe. That
mean it's got to be independent now days because the Internet. Yeah,

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you know, you don't even need them for nothing but
to promote you or something. And the way they get
these followers and things on the Internet, you don't need
them for that. Some of the biggest artists they got
out there now is from the one that's got millions
of followers on the internet. They make their record on
their laptop. No, I mean the labels really didn't played themselves,
except for the one that's got old catalogs and people

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don't know how to get them back. You can get
them back. They have copyright recaptures after five years, get
them back. But we're so such a threat to that,
right because you get it back. That's that's like a
one hundred million dollars maybe more. It's like two billion dollars.
Talking about all of the all of the hip hop,

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you know, say Dre's whole catalogs, Yes, I mean the
Chronic Yeah, that was almost like the mothership just wrapped
over every record stoops first, Yeah, that's what I mean,
Like I said, Um, I did Tupac stuff live. I
seld we was we was, we was working out, you know,
to listener to the music, I was like, how much
money does doctor Dre all them? Like? That's why I was,

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wouldn't you know labels like he's just one of them? Yes,
you know, but the same with the East Coast. I
love to say, public enemy rock him, Eric boy, I mean,
all you know what's crazy about that? Let me let
me vouch for them and saying I'm pretty sure that
they said make sure college, make sure he makes sure

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he gets paid. I'm pretty sure they're saying Stop and
Dre both said that. I went on the Grammys with them,
you know one time, and I say that right on
the stage, make sure that you know these writers get paid.
But it's out of the and you know, you scared
this hell. They're gonna ground you once you start speaking
up for some of your lawyer, your manager gonna tell
you stay out of that. Now. That's overhead now, but

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eventually eventually it's gonna come out. Mean doing that time,
I was a crackhead, so I wouldn't no attention, right,
you know, I was doing what we all did you
know forever treating chemical stuff that was going on. Most
when you get in this business, you go through that
and it takes you minute to get out of it.
I ain't sorry, but ship, you know, I just maintained

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my myself and when I did get a chance to
get out, got out, started getting the copyrights back. But
I had several all. I mean, I made sure that
I kept all the relationships with everybody that I worked with,
pretty cool with almost everybody, because I knew the ship
that it was doing wasn't them. You know, It's true,

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you know what I'm saying. And eventually the record companies.
It's not even the people that work at the record
companies now because they weren't even all they were based,
you know, but the company have that money, you know what,
Like I'm saying, and I was necessary. It's in the billions.
Because almost every major hip hop artists, you know, along
with the artists that I produced, like the Red Chili Peppers,

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you know, all that we never got paid for any
of that on that big side of that. I mean,
like I said, well, I got something to look forward
to rate now because I'm having fun. I still do
it right, We're still in the run. I got my
grandkids on the road in the band. Band members got
their kids in there on the road with us. So

(22:09):
we're still doing it. And I can sit up and
talk shit because you know, I get money now, and
if I get the money now, I know what to
do it. If I got it back then, I might
not have been it fun, been too much fun, you know.
But so I can always always look at it, like
I say, on the bright side of the thing, I

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try to always do that. Fault is the easiest thing
in the world to find, you know, that's easy, you know,
And so that's why it's so easy to make. You know,
hip hop music. You did somebody, he beat up on somebody,
Find somebody that can talk positive about somebody good and
get that same vibe. It's too I mean, rock Him

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is one of the ones that I know you can
didn't member the record he did Friends with Jody Walley.
He could compliment you asked to death. It's so serious.
That's hard to That's all because you know, the hip
hop is based on beating the beating MC chuck MC.
That's the concept. You know. You learn to do that

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with a battle. I mean, we call it playing a dozens,
And I was in school. That was if somebody dropped
the glass of your mama, you know what I mean.
You got expert at that, you know, and so but
to be able to do that same vibe on the
positive side, but you got to have some dialogue in
your ass. And like I say, rock him. He could

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do that and the akill your ass on this side
at all. Yeah, nobody wanted with him. No, But let
me ask you. So one time I had the pleasure
of me and James Brown, right we were walking on
the Red cost incredible. He was this is this is
parrales um. He got his BMI a water or something,
so he had two speakers and it was me and
justin timber Lake. How they put us together. I did

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not think that went together at all. Right, but I'm
walking and I can see James Brown had his like
nephew with him or something. So I was like, oh shit,
James Brown and his nephew wants to lean over and
said to him, you know that's snry, that's a rapper.
And James Brown turned and looked at me and said,
keep sampling my ship. Yeah. We were too like kind

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of like far away to like smack five like we're
on the So I did nothing, but he was right there.
I was right David's walking. Yeah. I could tell. His
nephew was like God, said James Brown. You know I
hype is a motherfucker. I'm like James Brown. And then
his nephew over way, he just turned it. He said, hey,
keep sampling my ship down. Do you gotta feel like that? Always?

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Like I said, we turn yall? Yeah? Really was I Actually,
like I said, I didn't wait for him. I made
a record called sample some of the disc and some
of that Wow. So you know, early on I made
sure that you couldn't. I moved the drums out the way.
I moved the worms out the way. I isolated different things,
different variations, and we five versions of that. Eric Herman

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lived by that nausea too. I mean, we made sure
we was connected to it. That's the thing with me.
I'm down with the next new generation. You want to
get on your nerve, the new music that get on
your nerve when you think it ain't music, I'm down
with them. Soon as I hear somebody to get that vibe,
everybody's agreeing that they ain't shit. I want to know

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what they're doing because that's the next music. You don't
get that vibe and that you got. They don't pay
you no attention at all when you had ship. But
when you get somebody down, everybody agree that you ain't
was supposed to be happening. I'm like I said what
they say on your When Cardi B came out, my
family can tell you I was on not for what

(25:46):
she was saying. I just know that vibe it was.
I can tell everybody was doing she ain't. Who has
he done? Who is? I want to who is she?
Because you can tell you don't get that series of
agreement you shouldn't do this or this ain't because it
ain't that important to most people if you ain't that,
but they're gonna be the next one. And that's who

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I always picked the right ones that I always I
got a good record on. Knocked up myself on the
shoulder for picking who's next. I mean on their first
Tool three records, I was what's what's the name of Rihanna?
She did sos? I was all over that record, and
my grandkids tell me, man, there that record has been

(26:29):
out just the second time around, But the second time
around they blew up and she didn't stop. I mean
those umbrellas, but I knew because her vibe on that
first record, it had that Moretown theory on it. And
but it tells me more than it's the person that
anybody that picked certain things, you can tell them they're

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not just picking this because they they had some thought
behind it. Now they had some work behind it. The
ones that worked, like with friends, he worked all day
every day. You're giving us a French story right now,
I can. Yeah, let's go, let's go. I mean the
Prince have you up seven in the morning, just seven
at night when you're on this tour. He pay you worth,

(27:14):
He pay you for everybody in Bean and tell you
he pay you good. But your head's gonna work. You
on call, you on call when the show is over.
If you want to go to a party, you're gonna
because he owned that whole day twenty four hours. Say
you say that Prince was like they comparing him to
like Tom Brady, Like even after the show is over,

(27:34):
Prince still want to Praca, you're gonna do a party
on practice or something. He called me up to this.
Everybody got a call that he called you to this
house and want to talk. He used to call me
to his house. You know, he wants to talk, he
wants to pick my brain. But the old house a
mini in Minnapolis, Minniapolis. We was on Paistey Park, Okay,
I was on Paistey Park. So he want to talk,

(27:57):
all right, I mean, I mean, you know, you know
he and doctor ducted us into the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame. Wow, Prince did. But he was he
used to, like I said, get his money worth. He
had me up to this house and bend in my
ear about why it was. And so I was telling
him everything, and then I realized he was getting too mad.

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He was getting slave on his face and read the
protested women that you might get away with that ship.
I ain't gonna be able to get away that I'm
too old. They know I know better than that, you know.
And he'd be wanting me to go with him to
the radio station and curse amount to him. I'm not
going with you, you know, you know, telling things and

(28:41):
then I see him doing it. But I've always had
his back. He always had mine, you know. But he
was one of those workaholics, just like I said. Again
and tall Beyonce them when they was Destiny child. They
worked all day long, every day and anybody that put
that kind of work in Michael results. Do you want
to see results when you can do that? You met

(29:04):
Michael as well, Michael Michael. Them they came to Motown
doing I want to test about that was Jackson Fire. Yeah, yo, ship.
We were probably the reason they was win what they
was winning those that because we were the first black
group that was looking like that. Besides sliding them came
out right behind my song slicing them, which is my

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my boy. You know what I'm saying. They came to
Jackson when they first came to Detroit, they were straight
Parliament fu del you know. Matter of fact, it did
one of my songs called I bet you you know
Wow now we we I made sure whoever the new
thing is, you know, I'm down with him. I wanted

(29:48):
the outcast, Dungeon family, goodym mob, organized nors, whatever you
want to call them. I was there when they always won,
like Parliament funka Deli. I was working with Dallas, Austin
and Dark. You know, everybody that becomes along that's doing
something I try to be a part of or whatever
it is they're doing. Because it's it's gonna be the

(30:08):
new ship, you know, and then they get on your nerves.
You can tell the ones they get on your nerves,
you'd be like, you'd be like, damn that. But then
the ship is work. It's the new kids. That's the
version of it. You just have to be able to
move yourself out of the way. Okay, that's what And
then it becomes damn, it's pretty good, and what are
you getting out of it? Does it reinspire you to

(30:30):
reinspire you and put you up on what's going on? Joe?
Joe ass gonna be old and out of it, because
that's real. That's what you're supposed to be. You're supposed
to be old. Let the next one take over. But
some of us don't want to leave, you know. But
if you don't want to leave, to stay out of
the way, you know, get down with whatever they're doing.
I mean, you're a good example, Eminem, he merged no

(30:55):
matter what rap style comes in, he's still all up
in their face and you can't get room. And he's
gonna be like that because he's enthused about hip hop.
He means that shit right. And so when you like that,
you can say oh you old school, old school, my ass.
He'll take your cadence and whoop your hands, you know whatever.

(31:17):
Could You're gonna have a different cadences, a new generation.
But and you figure out what what's the theme? What
they're talking about that? I mean, you get a few
that's well on. I mean, and that mate, Kendrick is
my boy. You know what I'm saying. He can talk
about shit. Ain't nobody's gonna be able to get away with.
He'd have made that room for himself. Yeah, that's when

(31:37):
you find that exceptional new one. You know, he's a
few raid in there that talks about shit and real
shit that it may not be realpused to even want
admitted let them talk about to make a record. So
when I find those kinds of people, I'll pay attention
to them and find out what story of what where

(31:57):
I can sneak into that, you know, and we did
to Pimple Butterfly. I thought I was talking to somebody
old as me. That's how much he had paid attention.
I guess to his parents, who was peep on fans
from you know, from what he was saying. But he
knew not only that he had theories for what's happening now,

(32:18):
you know, so everyone's while you get a new good
one that just blow your brains out, and you have
to like really give them that space to what they're doing.
You know, you realize you raised generations like two or
three they raised me. Yeah, I know, I'm believe me.
I'm in touch with most of them, you know, but

(32:42):
they have kids most of the time end up friends
with their kids, their kids being oh my dad said,
blah blah blah. Yeah, we was doing and what you're doing,
you know, because it's gonna be something fresh and like
a half hour band as our grandkids and kids of
mine and the other members and the banders. It's ever.

(33:05):
I mean, I have to setting my ass down and
direct shit. But they carried the hype and I just
organized the show. What's your favorite place to perform? Back?
What's your favorite city or state or country? It changes,
it changes, yeah, you know it was for a long time.
It was ansters to him, you know, but now everywhere

(33:31):
you can get you know, legal weed anywhere. That change
sometimes of change, but lots of places. We got all
our fans. We have all kind of fans my age,
people that knew it from that young kids. It's on TikTok,
you know, we get them. Also have to look we
don't have a set list until I won't out to

(33:52):
look at the audience because I have to see who came.
That's you know, DJ in the moment, at the moment
after like that out of town. We could come to
play the same town on different side of the town,
and different sets of people will come because you know,
we know who not to play the loud rock and
road and get somebody a heart attack, you know, or

(34:13):
we know not to borce somebody to death by playing
you know, so nothing type stuff. So we have to
really look at the audience, you know. And going to
casinos it is a new problem for us because now
people that don't usually go to casinos when we play
that they come, you know, and usually you have to
have a casino type older crowd before. But yeah, now

(34:37):
anybody that come there and they be ready to party.
And then so you got to like whoa how many
of who came? You know what I'm saying, who we
got the most of? So after cater to, after cages
to whoever to be dominant, you know, and then we
got you know, like Atomic Dog for instance, that's then
been through all the generations, all the hip hop has

(34:57):
doesn't use it the song itself ever go anywhere. Yeah,
we just did a new version of it with the
Q Dogs. You know what I'm saying. This is coming out. Yeah, yeah,
you know what I'm saying. We just did a video,
and I mean it's gonna blow people in mind, the
new mix of it, the new version of it. Right,

(35:18):
did the same song two years ago with the um
what they call the the cartoon what is that, trolls,
the trolls. Yeah, yeah, the troll did that with the
troll on the Trolls movie. And so Tommy Dog ain't
going nowhere, like I said, and it's coming back so
hard when you see this Q Dog verse never anywhere.

(35:41):
Let me ask you a person like like my friend
Louis View was right there, right, he got the red
shirt arm. He wants to do a record with you,
He connects with you, and he wants to remake your record.
How does he go about that? He has to he
has label cover anybody's cover. Okay, you can cover anybody's Yeah, cover.
Are you doing this different thing? Yeah? Sapling and covering

(36:02):
is different things. Okay, the sapling you get permission and
all it coming. You can cover and do it your
way with it. Without permission, you just have to pay
the publisher, right, you know that's the original writer of
the record. And that's what I'm saying. The writer get paid.
But you can cover anybody's record, right, Did you realize that, like,
you know, watching your stories? I watched so many documentaries.

(36:24):
Did Was there anybody like? All right? Cool? I got
jerked in the hip hop? Right, so I wanted to
like give the knowledge to the next younger brother, right? Um?
Was there nobody there like at that time to tell
y'all about these contracts and tell y'all about publishing, not
from the R and B side of it, really, No,
it was always everybody was always they did it to me.

(36:47):
I'm gonna do it to the next one. You know,
that's the one they get getting most people in it.
You know what I'm saying. It was done to me,
so I'm gonna get the next one. And they kind
of set you up and help you do that. If
you don't pay attention, they'll help you mess up with
somebody and then blackmail your ass with it. You know,
since you have to be careful of that No. That

(37:07):
was my thing is. I came up through Joe Bett,
and I made him my mind. I'm gonna do whatever
it take to make it so. I ain't really trying
to bust nobody. I knew a lot of stuff I
was doing in the beginning that they were lying into.
But my thing is just getting out there. I'll stringing
this shit up later. That's the way most people feel
about this shit. They'll do it even if they know

(37:28):
they're doing something wrong. That's exactly what I did. You know,
to get there free, you're doning for free. Better to
say you ain't gonna gets you ain't gonna get paid
for first. That's really what I said, and I was.
It was all fun. I brought it. I saw my
first day for five thousand dollars. I knew us five
thousand dollars, and I signed happen. Oh yeah, I've done it.
I've done that part. I've done that lots of time.
No one but my thing. Once I get in there,

(37:50):
I know how to work my way right to blah
blah blood. But then there's something that just planed out,
set you up with The paperworkers are wrong and and
they changed My was actually changed. She went back into
that changed the documents. Put it like, Noah, not one time,
but he's four or five times. I got copies of them,

(38:10):
so many copies of the change documents. You know, I
paint too, Like I took some of the documents and
put it on the painting. That's all. I was doing
my best to keep this into the public's eye. Wow,
for as long as I could, you know what I'm saying.
So I took a lot of the documents and put
it on the art. That stuff he had. Judge said
that even though Judge did say that the paperwork was alted,

(38:33):
was it was alted? It was alted in anything that
comes out of this paper is null and void. We
got those kind of papers. Wow, My way was looking
at me too. Don't make sure you don't say too no. No,
I got we got we got it, we got it,
we got it, we got so but it's cool now

(38:54):
I'm free to telling now I don't bit got suited
for writing the book about it. Wow, you know what
I'm saying. Then who sued the whole Yeah, yeah, you
can get the miss in the book and they got
the book out. Brothers bo like George, Ain't that punking
kind of hard on you. I say I was harder
when I started. I'll be hard when I get through

(39:17):
damn solo silo. So before we get into this game
and we played all the times called quick time, um
yeah yeah, let me ask this question to be given
the flowers for people that's been living under a rock.
Described to people what the mothership is. Oh, the mothership

(39:42):
is out of mythological vehicle that brought us here from
the planet. Serious, I like serious called the dog store,
the dog the dog gun people African, when our myth
is that it came in brought the funk here. Game

(40:03):
you know the plant? How to dance, how to dance
underwater and not get wet? How to be able to
dance between the molecules of water with that thing such
a rhythm that you can get out of the way
within water, who between the molecular structure of you know things.

(40:24):
That's the rhythm it takes to survive in this world.
To be able to get in and out of the
bullshit you have to live through. You got to be
able to swim through You could you could do in
order to survive here. You can swim through the water
and not get wet. That's the rhythm it take to
survive in this world. So the Mothership was that cycho

(40:47):
alpha disco bato by arcwa douloop. That was that formula
that you needed to survive. Plus it was the vehicle
to take you back to where you come from and
keep the party jumping. So are we in the mother
ship all the time. You just have to become aware

(41:08):
of it. Yes, it's always there. I wanted to don't
work until you got to open your eyes and feel that,
Oh shit, it's been this way all the time. So
do I gotta take masculine? I mean, it's everything is evolving.
Now you can do shrooms as legal now, Yeah, you
can do a haltful of scroos. I gotta dude you

(41:30):
who gave me the shroo? I mean? But there's lots
of way dancing, religion, chanting, managing. There's so many rhythms
that takes you there. You have to find out which
one works for you. Okay, some people can do it
from just gift them camp. Some people, you know, some
people are just inspired with the word, you know, and

(41:54):
they may not may not even live like that, but
then it comes through you. You ain't got nothing to
do with it. Right clear, your body has the drugs
in it already, all the dophins, dopamines, no legend, all
that stuff if you knew how to get it. But
when your kid got y y'all, mister George GLD, we

(42:16):
don't know, if you know. Our show is about giving
people flowers. Our show is about making our legends feel proud,
making our legends know that they legends. So many times
in this game, when you got ten, twenty thirty years
in this game, they want to say that your old school.
They want to say that your washed up. They want
to say that they kick you out. And we don't
believe that over here. Now, we believe when you twenty
thirty years in the game, you just getting, see you

(42:38):
just get We want to give you your flowers to
your face, to your face. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
those are flowers. This is this is this is your flowers. Man.
You know what I mean? They last forever, just from
the drink chats, you know what I mean. God, damn,
make some noise it up. What's snoop set? It's like

(43:02):
it's real roses that are gold plated. Okay, I'm looking
for Yeah, snoop set it's like it's like a Grammy,
but it's from your people. You know what I mean.
You want a lifetime Grammy, didn't you? Huh? You have
lifetime achievement. Lifetime achievement. Jesus. We've been nominated so many

(43:24):
times for the you know, the samples and things, but
they haven't let that as a concept become real yet.
It'll be pretty soon, you know, because there's so many
So if a record gets nominated you as if they
sampled you, you're nominated automatical sometimes and sometimes if you
if you pay attention to it to be nominated, But

(43:45):
you have to be up on it yourself, right, because
you'd be a writer on the record. Yeah, you'd be
right on it. Yeah you know. Wait, okay, continue, just
feet that you're spoking blunts? No, no, no, what these are?
These are? Um you og og hit papers. Okay, say

(44:05):
you out here, duchess. You look crazy doing it? Yeah
yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that's still yeah. I
still smoke that shit. Yeah, I'm I'm anging as motherfucker,
and I know what's wrong for me too. Yeah but
look this looked apart, so I'm still cool. Okay, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(44:28):
I ain't gonna lie what it looked like. Gosher Vegas,
remember the old school Gorsh Vegas, but the Greenhire Vegas. Yeah, okay,
black in mouse. Okay, we want to get someone to
come in. Yeah, you want to get someone from your
crew to take shot family, one of your grand shot game.
It's a shot game. So you come on, right. The
New York had on you look like he ready anyway,

(44:50):
he was practicing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh you're gonna take yeah, yeah,
you can grab that chair to grab a street chair.
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. Now what's your name? Big though
thirteen and that's that's he's the hype man in the band. Okay, alright, cool,
well you're gonna be the hype man right now? Are

(45:13):
we ready? Give him a shot glass? Mister lead, give
m a shot glass? There you go, you gotta go. Yeah,
before you start, what are you drinking? Something? White? Right?
The watermelon? Okay? You mean I want regular? Yeah, I'm regular?
Okay now so all right, so hold on, hold on, yeah, yeah, no, no, no,

(45:33):
you ain't gonna bull he a long it's a long game.
Yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah, but you gotta keep
that one. Now, you gotta keep that one. You set
yourself up man a right, so sure, so we drink
with you? Did we drink with you? Though? Yeah? You
back there is good enough? Yeah yeah, yeah yeah but okay,
so um, by the way, let me just say this

(45:55):
minute interview, like I'm really in the presence of a
legend man, really as you came and considers you know
what I mean, appreciate I really like you know, in
this game, there's so many people who just you know,
they don't take the time out and just say I
appreciate you, you know what I mean, And I just
wanted to just do that before we get into this game.

(46:16):
I appreciate you. But I'm about to kill your hype
man to get that out of the way. So when
he when he drunk late, okay you're ready, yeah, okay,
So it's on you. So if you pick both, if
you be political and you pick both, then he drinks.

(46:36):
If you pick are we giving you two two names,
two names or two things? If you pick one, nobody drinks.
But if you say both, are neither, which would be
the politically correct answer, we think you're gonna say both
a lot because we could tell you a politically great bribe.
So it's not gonna work out for him. We're gonna
make it. Are you ready? You're ready? DMX or two pop.

(47:01):
You're right boo that was season. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie.
I can feel your spirit and go like go like
go like yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Going to the
logo next time, Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, she got you. Okay, Oh,

(47:26):
this is a good one too, odb or bus markey wow,
odb Okay, Okay, this one is good. I kind of
know where you're gonna go. Motile or Epic Records booth

(47:48):
most I mean it's but epic then cleaned up lately,
I mean some good Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you
why it was so great. You got to see a
smile when he said they cleaned up lady, like that
was the sh a long time they got. They got

(48:12):
slive Michael and all that, lady. Okay, you're ready. We
went there Rolling Stones or the Beatles, Damn Beetles, God
damn and you knew them both and the Beatles. The Beatles,
I mean they're like they're like all we're on the

(48:33):
charge of me. Beatles is like movetown in my life.
You know another thing that I paid close attention to
their history. They were it. Okay, them and Jimmy and
Riggs Okay, slid Stone okay, all right, then you take
over out to this one. I thought, say this one. Okay,
Michael Jackson or Prince both, let's go score hy Man. Okay, no,

(49:03):
but just say both for the hell of it. No,
but you know, it's crazy. You're probably one of the
only five guests because we've ever had that has Michael
Jackson and Prince stories. Like some of the times, a
person might have a print story, some of them might

(49:24):
have a Michael Jackson story. Mainly none of them have
a Michael Jackson, Prince, Tupac and Biggie story. Nobody's had
a Beatles story. I don't think we've ever talked about
the bleeders. Who's the Bleatles? You know what I'm talking about?
The black Beetles, Nigga. I'm just around. I'm gonna throw
some extra ones in there, Okay, cool, start out or devoid?

(49:45):
A funk starts out or devoted? Which one of you
alters certain certain os? Right? Both? Okay? Shit already, my
brother I expected sloan to each other. This is true?
All right, Okay, we got ready ahead, Marvin Gaye or

(50:08):
Stevie Wonder. Jesus, we're going there, y'all gonna have the
thing bottle in the Hello, Okay, we might start playing
your band right after this. Sly Stone or Booty Collins.

(50:32):
Oh damn slash Stone slast he picked. Okay, let me
let me add to that. Booty Collars or Jimmy Hendricks Jimmen. Okay, Hey,
Mini'm gonna I'm gonna say over Booster there. Hey Mini,

(50:52):
all right, but you'll pick some harm. You're being honest.
Red Man, I'm at the man. Oh shit, both my
boy I shout out, man met the man, both of them.
Oh this is a good one. Rick James or James Brown.

(51:16):
James Brown, I'm about to take a shot. He picked
because yeah programmed, Yeah yeah, Now, m damn, my mom
was gonna get into a speech. But let me kill
out the next one again, rock him or Big Daddy
King rock him. Okay, you're liking this right now, You're like,

(51:37):
all right, that's cool. Okay. If Weana or Beyonce, I'm
gonna stop saying this question. For the record, we are
not putting black women against each other anymore. Both we drink,
but it did work. You're doing it in the next one.
You see the next one that Lauren Hill or Missy

(51:59):
damn both my liver anymore? And what's your name? By
the way, thirteen you said, am I bad? We're gonna
take thirteen these? I think we already? Yeah, we had
thirteen right now? All right? Doing that, that's why, and

(52:22):
that's why we talked slowing down. Okay, you ready. It's
a good one. It's a good one. Snoop Dog or
ice Cube man both yo, get drunk? Yo. You know
what's crazy though. I like the way he's saying both.
He's just saying a mass move he smooth. Look, yeah,

(52:47):
I got the next one. Outcast or ug k all right, No, everybody,
buddy relaxed outcasts o U g k oh you said outcast? Yeah? Okay?
Public enemy? Who public enemy or n WA the enemy

(53:08):
or n W botes. Yeah, I ain't gonna I'm gonna
take a shot to both for that. Even if you
were the picked one. Yeah, I would have picked one.
I would have picked one. And they like brothers almost
like public Enemy of NWA like coach Q left n WA.
He went right, that's right, okay, House Party Legends, House

(53:31):
party or harm Nights. He was in house just when
I grew up love you know that's my era, the
half a Dashville they was win we used to wear

(53:54):
in high school? Was that the last Moe Red Fox
was in? Yeah? Yeah, but so I can come to
homem and and that one, so um you're going home
them nice? Yeah? Okay, I skipped the one you want
to the New House part of I haven't watched it.
I haven't watched it Lebron's Hot Lense Okay, yeah, I

(54:17):
ain't seen it. Yeah, and I heard they really filmed
it at Lebron House. I heard I think production if not, yeah,
I think so. Yeah, I think he almost so. Yeah,
that was really agreed. All right, doctor Dre or Eric Serman.

(54:42):
That's what we got, Erica about to do, new Erica
about to do all at least your keys Erica. Okay,
I want to ask what I don't want to ask.
I want me to ask which the comedian about Erica's instance? Man,
Now you asked, you just brought up y'all drunk, you

(55:05):
brought it up. So you have you ever heard of
Eric about us instance instance or something like that? Yeah,
I'm smelted, but I was scared to ask as a
merry man. I don't think I can come to the
house with Eric about to do instance. I'm just being honest.

(55:27):
I don't know how to have that conversation. I want
to support. I want to support a collector's item. If
you bought it as merchen, I guess you can't open it.
You can't open it. But at some point I'm gonna
take a ship and I'll be like, let me like, yeah,

(55:48):
I had to ask my bad Okay, this is a
good one. And he Murphy or Richard Pryde, it's a
good one both the way. So I look, we definitely
passed thirteen. Now I got it all over here, I
got it all right. Oh shit, oh shit, I don't

(56:09):
m hm, holy shit. You got the next one. He
was responsible for me. Now you get it. Farrell or
Kanye real podcast or radio radio Today or radio ever ever,

(56:35):
whatever you want ain't enough radio. I mean radio, Okay,
I expect that analog or digital analog. I can't replace that.
That sound, yeah, that you sound? Yeah, yeah, you go.
Whitney Houston or Aretha Franklin, Ratha okay, Apporcino or Robert Jenniro.

(57:05):
Oh shit, both got that was it. That's it. We
got the last, last one, last last one. We got
one that got one more. It was the last one.
Everyone thinks this last question is a trick question. Me
and FM don't think it. We think it's the only
time you should say both, right, the only time, but

(57:27):
most of the time if we should say both as
the last question, it's called loyalty or respect. Respect? You
want to explain both? Yeah, okay, Why why he just

(57:49):
preferred without? I don't know, but it just seemed like
a couple more ground, right, I respect. That got to
be loyal. The gotta be loyal. You gotta cool. Yeah,
we cool. I must still take a shot to that anyway,

(58:12):
And that is the end of the oh my solo wait,
so that we could get back to see at one time,
the word funk was a bad word. It was it
was curse word. Right, Yeah, you got your ass whip
for saying fun funk. Yeah, I mean lots of words
like that. I mean, think of um, I mean bitch

(58:39):
a female dog, right, I mean, but it's been taking
so far out that I don't think nobody even know
that the connotation being that, right, you know, it's like
the Tommy gold dogs coming the dogs. That's one of
my pet peeves that dogs with POPI man's best friend.

(58:59):
When you want to give somebody an example, how badge
treat them treating him like a dog, or the vibe
you put on somebody say bitch. You know it's like
so intense I'm doing them a Broadway play right about
that concept about dogs? How many time we got were
good good? You can take bathroom breaks, do whatever we want.

(59:23):
This is a story US Custom Coast Guard dope dog
nickname bust him. Like most dope sniffing dogs, he's got
a habit train to have the habit pick up the
tracks of the traffickers and track them like a rabbit
up the coastline. K nine Control Substance Retriever Receiver of

(59:45):
the Golden Nose Award for leading him to the cash,
cashing in on the stash. Now he's in line for
his issue of the booty. Never do he do a
line in the line of duty. He's a dope dohole,
are you? It's Custom Coast Guard dope dog, keenss of smell,
tracking the tail tale trails of cardtail dope boots, big

(01:00:07):
dope never Graham o Z kilo too low key, gotta
be tons of p blow bells of lumbo while other
dogs are sniffing one another's tail. He can track the
profit from a dope sell straight to the stink account
big banks banking online, the dirty money not stinking. As
the wind blows, he followed his nose. Old mac uncle

(01:00:32):
had some drugs ciaio, and with those drugs he bought
some arms cia I own. There was a bang bang
here in the snorts north there here bang their snort
banging snorts everywhere. Old mac uncle starts a war ci
ai oh, and the war on drugs. It's hell on
a dope dog nose. It smells where the nose goes

(01:00:54):
when the does close and the dealer want to hide
the dope in the booty in the twat didn't they
squat and make the dogs sniff. They bow the foul
as they fart in his face. Damn for a shitty
half A Graham undercovered knarc with a bark, took a
bite out of crime. Posing as a CNI dog. He

(01:01:16):
bit the blind man with the cane mate of corp.
As sure as the dope boats float, the meatia goes comatose.
Unrelated over the counter. Overdose now become drug related aiding
the embedded by a lot of apprehension and indifference. The
bigger the headache, the bigger the pill. Y'all can take
your medicine now because you're gonna be ill. When I

(01:01:39):
tell you the deal on dope. There's more profit in
pretending that we're stopping it than selling it. M you
coming who control of fame, coming the world the pill.

(01:02:00):
To be honest, that sh was so crazy. I didn't
know whether the clapp I say amen at one point.
Oh shit, that was the play. But the whole thing
is about dogs and their relation to drugs. You know,
some dogs they used to test chemicals on for perfume,

(01:02:24):
some dogs they use for drugs snipping and you don't
have to get the dogs. I have it go up
your nose, you get nah. And that's what that's the
whole thing. We saw him doing it at this college
when he was training the dogs, and that's when I
really damn. And so I've been yeah and like you said,

(01:02:46):
every time, and they have to go through that shit
cold turkey. Yeah. Now, one thing that's amazing, right is
I'm looking at a good friend of ours in front
of the show DJ College, DJ Collins. I think he
just announced that he celebrated his fourteenth album. Sure, we
don't want to doubt it, but right so I think

(01:03:07):
and he's he's opening um a Snipe store and um
South Beast. So so he's announcing his fourteenth album. So
I'm searching. And again he blew my fucking mind, y'all
throughout nineteen albums in nineteen seventy. Oh yeah, over nineteen years.

(01:03:31):
And no, no, no, DMX was crazy in the seventies
or the seventies nineteen, I know that's crazy. Yeah, I
mean it's more than that problem because we was doing
and we were doing what to called industrial music, which
is like punk rock m they because a new wave

(01:03:52):
and was that in England? Like was that England? And
here we did a lot of those that a lot
of people just now founding out about. You know. It
was like the Chili Peppers, but a little heavier, a
little harder really, and they were sampling records they were
doing like hip hop, sampling it with rock and roll
band playing with it, you know, with a heavy metal

(01:04:14):
like that was a concept that was it something like
like oh my god, those my boy yea, yeah, me
to a lot with them too. Nobody not get along
with you, just just so you know, huh, there's there's
no one in this world that don't get along with you.
Oh no, that's the thing we made sure. I tell
the band that you get along with whoever the fuck

(01:04:36):
is on the show, whether we close in the opening,
you know, because that's everybody want to work with you.
That's an easy one, you know what I mean, you
just I figure out would at some of them you
have to stay out of their way. The ultimate network,
you know, some of them. Really, what should be even
say out because something people I don't think I don't
me right, Um, I'm forty five, right, Um. Somebody gets

(01:04:57):
said to me old man. Somebody get said to me young, right,
but to me for my generation, everyone salutes you everyone. No,
that's what I'm saying. That's that's gets saluted. You just
can't held some people's way concern. What do you mean
you stay out of some people with I mean, some
people just have their thing that they do. They don't
want to conform to being friends with nobody none of that.

(01:05:17):
Like Patty the Bell gets out here in the same seat,
and Patty the Bell said it was one artist that
she couldn't stand. Not I read the franklin. I don't
read the franklin. She was just saying that there was
one artist that she couldn't stand and it was a
younger artist. It was a younger artist, and and she
just like avoided her. And oh yeah, not like you
can avoid some people that could keep keep. You have

(01:05:38):
to void some people. You gotta be able to read people.
That's what it did. You go and they end up
liking you too, because they know they ain't got new
no problem with you, you know. But you said Patty,
I saw Patty thing. I used to do Patty and
knownans both. I used to do their hair really when
they were like Patty LaBelle and the Blue Bell, that's

(01:06:00):
what they were called. I sold my heart to the
junk Man in nineteen fifty nine, sixty sixty, nineteen sixty.
I used to do their head, patting head, little waves
in the head. No, I didn't know his head as
late as the ninety seven I did in Paris just
for Sills is literally had my body right now. Yeah.

(01:06:22):
I used to do but we didn't have a barber shop.
We did stars here. Everybody came through Jersey, So not
just Plainfield or fifteen miles from Plainfield. I mean everybody
came through New York. In New York, worked in New
York at Playboys on Seventh Avenue, one hundred twenty fifth Street,
So you did all kind of stars here. I mean then,

(01:06:43):
I mean Dionne. You know her husband Bill Elliott, the drummer,
used to do his heir. I mean all kind of star.
I can Dame drop all day when he comes to
the head taking a shot just cause I got my shot.
I'm taking a shot just because we're taking a hair shot.
You know, listen, I ain't gonna lie, don't. I don't
like I think since Patti of the Bell has been here,
I don't think I've ever had chills like this. And

(01:07:04):
I got like deeper chills because I'm learning shit that
I like. I thought I knew everything about you, and
it's like, I don't like it just keeps growing and
growing and you didn't talk. I'll be thinking of shit
that I feeling. Got stuff. I mean for these kind
of shows. Shit. But let me ask, let me let

(01:07:24):
me do a left field question. I got it's just
left field question. Um, how about a little Richard you
ever met a little Richard? Le met a little Richard
at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame myself, Eddie
in the OJS. Who else? Wait? Wait talking about hold on?

(01:07:45):
Hold on, hold on, guys, Oh god, hold let me
just let me just tell you the frost just now.
I just said, did you haven't met Richard? It's like, yeah,
the hold of who the fuck? Ain't like that? Because
I remember that was one of the first places that
I've met him and talked to him. I knew him

(01:08:05):
over the years, but we was on something Cleveland, right
in Cleveland, and they were just getting it together. A
couple of years after they got together and we had
to go. Then I gave some kind of one of
my costumes or something myself, him, Eddie, and there's somebody
else I just can't remember who it was, but another

(01:08:27):
one of the older guys from that era. Oh yeah, yeah,
a little Richard. That was. That was little Richard jereddy
Lewis Elvis Presley that I started the group. And you're
telling me you did a show with Elvis. No, No,
I didn't do the show with Elvis, but I tried.

(01:08:48):
I tried to write songs from him. What's your take
on Elvis. You know, there's all this mixtapes. Some people
would be like, he stole our ship. No, I mean,
did you want people to do your ship? You want
people to cover your records. I mean that's what song
writing this for. You want somebody else to do it.
Then he might have did it too soon. He got
more publicity than you. But that's the game you're in,
you know. Yeah, I mean, here's just it was just

(01:09:10):
what was happening. And a lot of pop stations wouldn't
play R and B versions of it, but they play
the Patty um Elvis is was pat Boom. He did
a lot of our stung at the same time, the
black artist would have him out. Now that hurts you feeling.
Wait wait I'm saying I mean that's really wouldn't it

(01:09:32):
be just straight racist at that point? All this is racist?
I mean, homes Over sounds like, I mean, the whole
systems is that. I mean, we're still trying to evolve
out that. But everything has been that trying to you know,
even and I come on out of it and evolve

(01:09:54):
into we're fighting for them. But yeah, that's what it was.
I mean that, but you know, it was just it's normal.
Then it's normal then, but it's not as bad as
it was. Then. As soon as you got to hit
the record, the pop stations can find somebody to do
it and they play theirs. Now that that really going
to you said, as soon as you had to hit record,

(01:10:15):
the pop stations will get but they wouldn't. Somebody would
could cover, and they played their version first because that
was the way they knew could work in that And
and let me just let say the act that's what
Elvis was doing. But yeah, I mean that they were
the first d like when some of the first song, Yeah,
that's what he was doing. Wow, be done in New York.

(01:10:38):
Murray the Kay who was out of Brooklyn. He used
to have shows with everybody on it and be RMB
things black and white and pop and everything. Before the
stations broke themselves up into playing R and B pop,
everybody's tried to get their own niche that's when it's
separated into the real hard thing where you have to

(01:10:59):
cross over to get to the pop station and get
a hit regular. But still was in the hood only
you know, you had to go through that until the
underground stations, which was the FM stations at the time,
what WAYM was the main AM was and FM was
nobody was on FM but sucking up our whole childhood

(01:11:21):
right now. I mean just like jazz was jazz, gospel, rock,
heavy I mean not heavy mail, but rock underground, not
you ever just pop rock. They couldn't get on the
on the on the underground station. They were the only
ones that liked Fmcuse FM is bigger FM, bigger thing.

(01:11:41):
Big AM was the hood you right a Crosstown the
station change on you as soon as you get across town.
And another and then seventies, I mean FM started to
become BLS. Prob was one of the first in New
York to start becoming playing regular which is the first

(01:12:03):
I think had the hip hop show. Yeah, I mean
w w r L was the other stations the magic
it played. It was the pop version. But when BLS
come out, it was the peg station and plus they
sounded better. It was in stereo. AM wasn't in stereo,
you know, wow, you AM was just two speakers playing
the same thing. So was it just because AM was

(01:12:25):
always just first and then FM was the new thing
that was Both AM stations had an FM station. They
had both of them, but nobody just listened to them.
Nobody had no stereo radio since it was what they
were listening one. It wasn't ready for FM. Ye, I
mean they would big a station, but you didn't get
that that stereo with the music travelical right, And that

(01:12:47):
became popular when Jimmy Hendricks came out, the Beatles came
out and all those people that started playing with it,
mixing it like mixing it like then when you started
hitting ship running around, and then film became saw it
becoming popular in the seventies. Wow, I mean groups like
James Brown. To us, it was always AM. It was

(01:13:09):
straight a M. You know, that's why I was such
good dance music. You know James Brown's song we should
call him two for nineteen seven because it was that tight,
you know, real tight dance music. You know you didn't
want to You couldn't listen to the album of that,
not even it's hard to do that. Our first records
you get on your nerve all that banging, But when
FM come in you can get the colors of the

(01:13:30):
stereo and stuff. Then you actually appreciate it. Let me
let me ask you real quick, is there something to
the idea that They said that a lot of music
popped off in the seventies, late sixties, in early seventies
because of the soldiers coming back from Vietnam. What they
were listening, that's what That's what we played too. When
we did Maggot Brain Free your Mind. You asked for

(01:13:52):
following America, he's just young. Those were the songs that
the soldiers came back sin that helped them through through
through the people we were playing to the war. I mean,
we was getting that from the rocks groups, you know
who from Europe who was talking about that stuff. So
we peeped that and we were able to do it.
America said jump provocative type concept like biological speculation, you know,

(01:14:18):
stuff like that. I was saying stuff that I knew
it was political or social. You're not not trying to
be no preacher. I always avoided that. You know, people
want to. We did it just to bring it up
to make you think it was like more like what
is because we say some absurd things that I wasn't into,
but just I know that people are into. But we

(01:14:41):
do it just because for the shot value. Just so
what if this was the case. But there's somebody that's
saying this, so we would mirror what the street is saying.
That's what art do. Aren't usually mirror what the society
is talking about what they're doing, And you ain't the artist.
It's just this is what we see, this is what

(01:15:01):
we're reported them. That's hip hop came along and it
was doing the same thing with the same concept of
playing the dozens. It's that it doesn't into news. That's
what I mean. Even say in WA I was I
was sold on New York Rep. I wasn't Compton. I wasn't.
But I wasn't even into the West Coast being you know,

(01:15:24):
hardcore gangster rep. That didn't to me. It was like that.
But they was into you being hard hook Yeah, but
they headed out of you. They had grass in the
front yard and both parents home. Yeah, I'm from the
church with concrete everything. He had to be in the
projects to be that kind of so vividly to me,
that's what that changed. The truth. They was telling the

(01:15:46):
news of what was going on, and I thought, Compton,
I'm like that, say, no, ghetto, this isn't a cute
to me. I'm New York and the projects on frist
Street and New Ork Fort Green projects in Brook. Yeah,
that was hard, hard copy square more but sure enough
that it was like was popping off. And to me,
I was beginning to be more afraid of being there,

(01:16:10):
you know, because I ain't no more than somebody shooting
at you and too scared to you know, just just
shoot them. And that's the way it was. They weren't
nobody wouldn't verstly being gangsters. That was just what was happening.
And New York it was almost over by the time
it was happening that that police are tell you, man,
don't make don't blow my job. Man, come on to

(01:16:32):
take that. I know, you get lost your job and
problemlah blah, you know, but they get your break. It
was hard as hell in la you wouldn't get no breaks.
Yeah right, but um so let me ask you. You
went you went fishing one time in the Bahamas and
you saw aliens. I'm going fishing lots of time. Nobody

(01:16:53):
ain't seen the aliens has seen U. Well, ufo, how
how to put it me? Neither? I mean right now
it's the government is saying this crest. I'm so convinced
of that. I'm okay with the crazies down any day
now I'm ready for that to jump off. That would

(01:17:15):
not surprise me. But I'm saying, what happened. He's time
about boots. And I was riding in Toronto and we
saw like a laser been dead the middle of the day,
nice right laser in the daylight. That's a weird look,
that's thing right. Yes, we saw it hit the ground
by them, a couple of blocks in front of us.

(01:17:36):
We got there, didn't see. I said, what was that?
He said, I don't know. So we drove another three minutes.
The same thing came down through. Now we're off the highway.
We're on us a secondary street. Come right down through
the trees, two blocks in front of us. We see
it right out of the sky and right through the
trees and hit when he hit the ground and looked
like electricity splatting is popping. Okay, we see that landing

(01:18:00):
on the same side of the street we were on.
Next one landing in the same block. Now in the
same on the other side of the street. And I
reached to the radio, you know, to turn down to look.
And then the third one hit the car on the
passenger side. It beat it up like you know, like
mercury and or thermometer, you know what they look and

(01:18:27):
just dribble over the side of the car. Yes, Now,
this is only like three minutes from where we just
seen the lazer. I mean when it looked like a
laser when we hit the car. Our attention for like years,
I didn't think about this for years, was on the

(01:18:47):
fact that the street lights were going down. They were
demon they were demmon. They you know, it was like
the street lights was home and they were going off.
The car lights was doing. That was demming. You could
see way down two blocks in front of the lights
going out and boots you driving say what is it?
I don't get the funk out of here. We get

(01:19:12):
three blocks and this and looked the left. You can
see street lights on and it looked like traffic was moving.
We get to the house, parks in the driveway and
don't say shit. We said that for like three minutes
and my daughter walks out, Wow, y'all look like y'all

(01:19:33):
seen the ghost. And he said, she said, you know,
give me a hug. I'm going to bed now. Remember
I told you the weirdest thing about seeing it the
first time, that was in daylight. Right, this is only
like five minutes away from when that Now it's dark.
Now it's dark and she's going to bed. I mean

(01:19:53):
it's seven o'clock. We didn't not think about that for
at least ten years. You gotta duct it. We did
not think about the fact that that time discrepancy from
the first time he saw it to the street lights
going out to we're going to be I had the
car boots. I'm on the road years later and said,
when I thought about it like that, I said, what

(01:20:14):
what time did we get to Toronto? He said ten
or so in the morning. I said, great, Um, when
we saw the light the first time that it was daylight?
I said it was daylight, right? He said, yeah, it
was daylight. It was weird. That's what made it weird.
That was in daylight. There's only three blocks from there
to where the light hit the car. I say, why

(01:20:38):
was the street lights going out? And why? And why
was was Rolla going to bed at seven and night?
Is it? Man? Fuck you? What happened to that time?
We never thought about that? Just classic abduction story. And
I gotta ask was there any rugs involved? No? No.

(01:21:03):
The thing is we had just come from Detroit from
the studio had to come to custom because you know
Detroit and um Canada, right yea yeah, customer a format,
so we had to come to custom. We ain't come
through the custom and no drugs yet the fact I
had to go look for something. After that, You're like,
that should sucked up so much. I respect that. That's

(01:21:25):
that's that, and that was Oh yeah that I believed
in that. Anyway, I'm gonna start trek freak to all
of that. I'm believing any you believe in ghost to, right,
you believe in aliens. I believe in ghost to and
I believe I mean one of them ships, one of
them sits. I mean I'm interested. I'm interested in it.
Wow man. Yeah, But like I said, so, you know,

(01:21:48):
remember the time you was fishing and you saw aliens
and Bahamas. I remembers nor I seen the story where
you're describing where you was fishing. You've been seeing eliots
a lot. He hadn't seen the aliens though he's seen
he's seen like that situation. Well, they didn't get to
see who was doing. He didn't see Homie and that

(01:22:10):
believe that he believed that ship. Hell yeah. So right
now with the government saying all this stuff. They're saying
that must be wild after you've seen something like that
in the past. I'm just waiting. Didn't convince of that ship.
You know, you know Puerto Rico, they say got the
biggest alien shit going on. I'm not lot they got.
They got a one coming out the water. They got

(01:22:32):
a big thing. No, bro is not real, man, he
is you when you get too drunk. Maybe maybe No, No,
I want to actually want to go. I couldn't even

(01:22:52):
I was trying to go through a bunch of the
records as sampled sampled you guys, und records they sampled you.
Is that it's like it's more by now twenty six
or twenty seven. But let's just say some of some
of the songs in hip hop and this is just
some This doesn't even scratch the surface. Me myself an idea.

(01:23:14):
I saw two versions of it. Dre Day Dre Who
am I snooped? Come on, come on, tentent dre Day
Dre day tent. I mean I'm probably the worst one day.
That was not good. No, it was better than your rendition. Okay,
we'll get back to that. How to Survive in South

(01:23:36):
Central ice Qua Classic gold Digger EPMD, Stranded on Death Road,
dre Funking lesson x Clan. You got Strata Compton, which
I said earlier n W, which is crazy. I know
you got sold Eric B and rock Him. We had
twelve songs in the on that album straight of a

(01:23:59):
couple of the movie be oh in the movie twelve,
A couple more, A couple more you got, uh, I said,
I know you got sold very being rock Camp, Blue Cheese,
Umc's Static by Jay Rue, the Damager Teacher, Teacher Slick Rick.
And I mean I could keep going, to be honest,

(01:24:19):
you keep going, keep going. No, No, I stopped. I stopped.
I was writing them all. I was like, this is
I was going through records that I love, and I
was like, oh man, oh man. I started writing him
that that that is um And I mean, and he's
recorded records with Cube and Poking. I'm sure there's a
lot more than that. But him Brown, we did a
lot together. You did. We did In a matter of fact,
we did an album together, Chilling Up the Pee. It

(01:24:42):
was like when they last one, were you close with shock? Yeah?
And it's crazy because he him he was in Tampa
and you live in Tallahassee. Now we did a lot
of stuff together him, him and Pee Wee did stuff
on our records too. He was really tired. You know.
It sucks the same one they were. They were crapping,
they had a singing group. He said, And you remember

(01:25:04):
the name of that man? No, I don't. I don't.
I do remember that pop was standing stuff? Yeah, yeah,
I do remember. Was he a good jazzer? Huh? Was
he a good jazzer? Part that area? Yeah, the flytop
it's gonna be Yeah, Well, what was your take since
you knew him from back then to till later on?

(01:25:25):
It was intelligent dude, that and I mean, and they
had such good, good material as Digital Underground, you know
that it was. It was created, very creative, and he
was right for the time, whatever that time was. He
was the one that that that thing came through and

(01:25:45):
whatever it was. He had to write temptful for whatever
it was, you know, because I just tell them, men,
be careful, man, he's police. They gonna get you there.
You can't just shoot him in the booty and get
away from after he shot, though you got out of it.
I'd be looking over my shoulders now own. And that's

(01:26:06):
when he got in trout with the girl and you
know everything. It was just scary but m and it
had it fast too, because people it seems like a
long time, but it all happened pretty fast, you know.
But that era, I didn't trust nothing, you know, the
government or what was going on, because I know they
was trying to get rid of hip hop was more

(01:26:26):
of a danger getting along, you know, like if East
Coast and West Coast would have got together, that was
a dangerous thing for the country. The authority was concerned,
and I thought a lot of people are gonna get
played with that one. I was really worried about. Are
you with East Coast? What I mean, that wasn't a concept.
It wasn't a thing, you know. To me, everybody's got

(01:26:49):
to be together, right And the thing about you is
your music is so bright and so so universal. I
don't think I think you're one of those guys that
people think you're from out of the planet. Oh you
know what, my man used to my band, just trying
to get me to be a preacher. But that was

(01:27:10):
the asset that was I read a few books that
had some positive ship in it, and that ship, what
did you replease do you remember. I mean I look
at them now, they were just like shit you get
on a magic store something you know that had that
positive everybody uses it. Every organization was used as certain prisons,

(01:27:35):
and and they worked any real but nobody really like affirmations.
And but I was on ascid and I believe it,
and and to me it actually worked now that I see,
I avoided a lot of shit, but not being upset
that shit because the actually I was able to like

(01:27:56):
write that's I ain't got nothing in any about me.
I mean, I knew how to skate around it, and
I pick out the best size of shit, and somebody
I can always fund the positive side of it and
the rest of it. I don't need that ship. If
I ain't got to it, don't bother me that they
do it. I just stay have that part, and I
get the part that I need special musician. You can't

(01:28:17):
do the wrong. If you're great, I want to music
to the other bullshit. I ain't got to sleep with you.
So the ego and all of that, you're like, as
long as you bread as time as you can play half.
You need an ego to do this business. You absolutely
needn't to be an artist and any of you just
have to know how to rule that motherfuck and manage
it and you go. It'll work without you if you
don't let it. The egos the only thing that gives

(01:28:38):
you the confidence to the forward to go out in
front of people. Yeah, you just have to. I'm a ham,
you know. Put as simple as that. I'm a ham,
So I know how. I'll take pictures all day. I
can show off like a muff on stage, but I
know better than that ship believing that I'm all that.
When I feel like I need to say that, I
go in the bathroom. You're a bad the fucker you.

(01:29:00):
This isn't flushed the toilet. That ship when you come out,
when you come out, there's gonna be somethuther tell you
ain't shit, you know, and you got to deal with it.
Give you your feelings hurt right? Nah? Nah? You know

(01:29:26):
you know what. Like I said, you know, when we
locked this interview down, I just kept researching you, research you.
And the one thing that I noticed is artists throughout
the years sometimes they smile get demo and they don't.
They don't they smile, doesn't seem the same. One thing
about you is your smile got brighter man when pandemic

(01:29:47):
came down. You know, I've been like the Payton. I've
been doing that for you know, Douln for a long time.
The pandemic came out, we need nothing to do. My
way bought me a bunch of canvases I got I
didn't in the house, and I started painting. I've been
doing so good with selling art lately. I mean, that's
your art, right, We just did that a few minutes

(01:30:08):
ago for you. I'm taking that home, Jonah, Jonah, how
are you jacking all of us? But that's what that's
that's what I mean. And that's like I didn't even
repeat that. I thought that was like somebody writing graffiti,
because you know he was doing graffiti. You know, you know,
we racist and shit. So like I thought, it's a
Spanish guy just here, just wrong, it was. It wasn't

(01:30:31):
a Spanish guy as well. Oh that guy right there
all right, he's around him in Miami. He painted up
so you're told him to do this and he just
did it. He been he was doing down. So this
is the funk is we got full fact art bullies
Jonah myself and just got to do an album covers

(01:30:53):
over to Lord bullies. We've been doing this since art
Basils started around and were right, she had us down here.
You were coming here before when we was a tourist trap. Yeah,
because that's when we was. I I should have a
boot right over in the marina because because this was
this was a dirt back That's why the graffiti rights
were out here, because the cops was in coming. Was

(01:31:14):
one of the first one that had us down there
doing that. Because Alice's still running, running, running out of here.
Now I come back, then look at the whole city.
Is graffiti outed out with duck tourists. Yeah, yeah, art bullies.
But so that's one of the things too that stood
out to me about these albums that you were putting out.

(01:31:35):
It was a black superhero kind of themes theme. Like
it was like and I think I remember you hearing
hearing you say something, say something about those obviously the
seventies at least when I go on research, and I think,
I mean he said, you know, the artists might die,
but the character would never die. Characters never, never one
of my characters. Never the Mickey Mouse and all that

(01:31:58):
be round forever. Yeah, but you realize that's out here.
You won't even realize that. Yeah, yeah, that's where I
look at it. I try to do my characters like that,
like play a Tommy Dog. We gotta we gotta thing
that with the Q Dogs that's coming out. There's coming
at any minute now is the que Dogs version of

(01:32:18):
a Tommy Dog. That's gonna blown by the dog. And
I mean, for real, for real, you're gonna I mean,
you're gonna see some political I mean, the QUS be
stomping on it. But we keep the characters alive, you
know that. But but but but let me just reivate
what I'm trying to say. It was the black superhero
characters that we had never seen, but you see a

(01:32:40):
lot of them now. Yeah, now you know I mean
since Wander Conda Conda, Yes, since that that came out,
and that all these Hancock, let's just start all of that.
Reggie Hutton, we was working with him when he first
got out of college. He's been playing on doing pe
funk and now Eddie Murphy is getting ready to do me.
He's playing me weird college wait wait wait wait wait

(01:33:01):
wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
me right now in this coming out all over the thing.
And okay, so Eddie Murphy playing played me in the
new and one coming out. Chris Kleifand is playing me
right now. They got the one called Spinning Gold, which
is about Castle Blanca. You know, Donna Summer's Kiss in

(01:33:24):
Parliament and all that. The Neil Bogard that'll be out
in two or three weeks Spinning Gold, and that's that's
wizards playing myself. He did a pretty good job. I
saw that. Why and once you're smoking weed back then
smoking we I mean I did WoT life. Now we
went smoking weed back because I'm wondering where this wiz

(01:33:48):
go to smoke? Now we were doing, we were doing.
It was cool. Then it was the Bogle bottles, you know,
running the neck with the change. Wait, I'm time, I've
never heard this one time on up you have bottles
around already know about it. I mean that was the
Hollywood that hold on. You had necklaces full of class
with little bottles. Didn't even it wasn't even legal. It

(01:34:13):
was never heard a necklace for the coal gate Cuban links. Yes,
that's like that, you know, And then you know it
got so wild and pretty soon, didn't everybody doing lines
and that became later on. It was. It was so

(01:34:33):
it started out nettle spoons and ship you know, and
then people went crazy and started over doing because no
one knew what cocaine was. Back then you knew what
you didn't. Marijuana was not in the hood. D some
people did, people with money did. And then I feel
like the people around they were like there was some
money thing. They moved their hands like this. It was like, yeah,

(01:34:55):
it was like upper society was doing it. Yeah, you know,
like you see no classical people when they look, yeah,
that was money thing. Yeah. When they made it where
it get in the streets and when they hit to
the hood, the hood fucked it up. Had to cook
it cook put water hood with Old Bay on that

(01:35:17):
ship the hood them but the Old Bay and barbecue sauce.
I had a robe on with a box of bacon
soda on it. That was That was the like the emblem.
You know, I don't know what I was angling. You
got me because you because I hadn't had a Newport.

(01:35:39):
I diamond out Newport the whole box of bacon. You win,
you winning. It was about it's called getting fucked up
and when you when you get fucked up, you do
fucked up ship, And that's all it was. Everybody was

(01:36:01):
out there who could get fucked up? And who could
do it? Dude? You know whatever the styling is. Yeah,
it was looking back at it was stupid, but I
got out of it coming. I'm gonna tell you my
one of my first not one of my first, was
just one of the first times I realized that Hollywood
is different from New York. Was, Um, I had a
packet of cigarettes, and I from a pack of cigarettes.

(01:36:25):
I went to a Hollywood uh uh, just a Hollywood party,
right networking thing. Yeah, this is a Hollywood party and
I had a packet of cigarette. I put a pack
of cigarettes and a white dude came into me and said, hey, man,
I give you an eight ball for that. Yeah, he said,
theready what I've seen that, But he wanted a whole cigarette.

(01:36:48):
He wanted a cigarette battle of money. Yeah, yeah, and
he wanted the whole eight more. Goddamn, we're looking good.
Come on, let's over some toploers in there. Got work, brother,
you know, we flyout him in from perud it's the
row planks, oh man, peru just but we just flamm
in from listening America, the role Peru. I like Perui
and a week and did he did run and he

(01:37:12):
just he just comes to here the role Bluss and
wrestle pigeons here mingo pigeons. And that's our brother Boris
right there, beats in the hood. He's a producer. Boys
came in with that guy Dad. So so what is
your favorite part of the game. Is it to make
the record or perform the record? Wow? Probably performing it?

(01:37:37):
But when when I get a chance to make it
under the conditions, I like to make it in I
enjoyed the hell out of that because lie to crazy,
try kind of crazy shit a different ways. So I
like making it too, but I like performing it. Yes,
that once you know we get on the stages, that's

(01:37:58):
second heaven for me. But but you said you prefer
analog over digital, right, But now, with all the things
you could do with digital when you are recording, is
there anything about digital you love that you could manipulate
and do all these different sounds easier than you could
with analog. Well, yeah, you didn't do a lot of stuff,
just faster and stuff like that. I mean yeah, and

(01:38:19):
then the editing stuff that you can do, I mean,
you just gotta cut t look at the scope and
do it. That's that's not even fair. We had to,
like and you literally had to cut tape, tape, little
pieces of tape with We had tape all around a
beat everywhere. And if you put it upside down and
put it back in the room, it's backwards. For a second,

(01:38:42):
do you take it out and turn it over? We
had tape, We had to cut up everything. Now you
just look at the scope and the engineer I got
now he don't even have You don't have to listen
at it. He can give me an ed all for
a word just about the scope respect. So that's that's
the easy. But the feeling of him right now, the
analog feeling up two inch skate, there's a whole nother thing.

(01:39:06):
And it's heavy as a motherfucker. Yeah, even especially when
they sampled it, if they sampled it off a record
as opposed to the tape, Yeah, that's shit. It's hot.
I mean when you listen back you sample something like
listening to a run DMC, that was some hot shit.
I mean you know that damn the bottom on it.
And if they put an eight or eight on that,

(01:39:28):
it ain't the same as nowadays they do. It still
feel good. It's a whole other thing. Did you ever
hear there's um a quote h DJ Quick? I think
he was on ty Lib's and Quick said something about
he felt that recording analog and on and on tape
that the because of the magnetism that's one on there,
that it's it's capturing the energy in the room. I

(01:39:51):
believe so, yeah, and I and I believe that. Yeah,
there's a there's a thing they actually you can actually
record the sound of an EMP studio. We just record
the which is ecstatic, that's just the studio, and put
that on a track and have a track of just
that empty studio in there, and record the drums somewhere

(01:40:13):
else for them. When you mix it, mix them together,
it sound like the drummers is played at this studio
in a certain studio. Certain studio studios have their own
you know, ambient sound. Just putting mics up in the
studio and record the studio niked studio, and then go
and put anybody anywhere else. It's cheating you. I recorded

(01:40:36):
this a united sound because the studio have a sound
of its own, right, I mean, And it worked almost
I can tell any record. I can't tell any record,
but I can pretty much get when somebody was recorded
at this studio. I just know that vibe, you know,
the ambience, and you could be like this record that
record plan. Yeah. I used to be able to do that. Yeah,

(01:40:57):
record plant was easy. Yeah yeah, yeah I lost that ship. Yeah,
because I think everything is digital. Yeah, that's the digital Yeah. Yeah.
I used to be like, this is hit Factory, this
is Criteria. We mixed Stomic Dog and Criteria Criteria here
in Miami. I say, you know that's how you know
you're legend that before factory. Yeah yeah, it was Criteria that. Yeah,

(01:41:22):
we recorded when you it was Criterias. Let thank you
for making me feel old. I respect you were the
same name. Two wow, a little Nantes bgs that during
that time. So the bjs were recording there, yeahs just
living there. I mean they live out here, were living
in that studio at the time. They didn't have their

(01:41:44):
own place then Betty Right, Oh, they were literally living there. Yeah,
Betty Right was right. Yeah, husband, wow, Yeah, this is
Criteria is like it's in It's it's not like in
the hood street. Oh no, no, it's it's never been

(01:42:05):
I don't think that's ever been a nice area. It's
been an industrial area. It was. Yeah, it was deep
back there. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, back then I could
imagine it's a little class here. Yeah. That was. That's
when Miami vice was out, yea cocaine everything that was. Yeah,
that was that was That was that time. The eighties
was crazy and that like that time. I said, you

(01:42:28):
still have the little necklace. No, your necklace got bigger
than I used to live into Sheridan Poy Ambassador. I
think it might call it in a commonial now pull
you bake downtown. Yeah, yeah, it's still that. I used
to live there. Uh huh. George Bush Senior used to live.
He was a CIA director and even CIA. Yeah, he

(01:42:52):
he used to living in Now he was living with
the I forget what I'm talking to y'all. We don't live.
Yeah know we never had to, Joge, we seen your story, Jesus. No, no, yeah,
we used to live. I used to live there and
go fishing from there. All of them. I didn't even know. George,

(01:43:13):
You're listmust have been seven and eight. I bought a
seventy seven just so you know. So I was there
with y'all. My mind. Hold. Yeah, that's when the Maam
and Marina was right at the park there. Yeah. Yeah,
you really like like fishing, like Boots and the everytime

(01:43:35):
we get a hit record. We was down there and
we go over to Beminy. We take the boat over
to Beminy. Aliens huh and see aliens? See aliens. You
heard about the Beminy. What is it the in the
water they got the stones you heard about that they
got these stones that they say they think it's like
part of Atlantis or something. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
oh yeah, talk about yeah, yeah, yeah, we're talking about

(01:43:59):
Matt Randall. Nah. I mean, I ain't gonnat. I want
to see some aliens in bening Me. I want to
go again, like I love Bahamas. Bahama is a beautiful place. Yeah,
it's a beautiful place. Y'a'll been going to the Bahamas
for years. I ain't too much conk konk fritis. I'll
be eating conferences of coming out of my ears. And

(01:44:22):
the first day I got a chance to get some
some soul food. They gave me a Bahama mama a
drink and now it was hot and I thought it
was you know, kool laid okay, and it's hot outside,
you gonna feel that. I thought they had taken two
times a yellow sunshine. That ship had your head, I

(01:44:46):
mean everything, and that we was at I dinner with
the president I was president of. They said we got
one because I was like, take me home, y'all. Don't
think I'm gonna make it. But here now loud to
everybody to table, I think we got one. They had
to take me home. I missed dinner with all the
good president of All right, cool, and you said yellow message?

(01:45:11):
Was that yellow? But no, that was LSD twenty five
D twenty five. I took you know, it's real twenty
five surgic death, allumie, what like sergic def thalamie. That's

(01:45:32):
a hell of science. Oh, I didn't really listen, real thing.
It was just a nigga named LSD. They named that
doing that. And we was in Boston at the time.
That did Timothy Leary Bobby Brown sampled you too, right?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did live things with them. Okay, yeah,

(01:45:56):
they went on too with us. They first too, he
knowing Bobby Brown book, he fried chicken with cocaine. I
can dig it. I think I think that story was
messed up. Brot said it. He admitted he changed the story. No, no,
he said he didn't say purposely cooked. No, he thought

(01:46:19):
it was. I never said it was on purpose, no, no,
but I just said he fried cocaine. No, no, he
thought it was flower though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh
I never I know that. But it's the way we've
always said the story. He's like, oh yeah, yeah, let's go,
let's go, let's go. Yeah, let's let's You ain't never
fried no chicken. You ain't never fried no chicken with cocaine. No, no, no,

(01:46:40):
but I've seen it done. Never seen you just seen
it done. I've seen. But I'm saying we would. We
were at the time, like I said, we were in
the Boston area when Timothy learing them discovered the LSD thing,
when that that whole thing, when the FBI was searching
for him doing the seventies. Yes, we were in Boston

(01:47:01):
during that time because when that was in the university, right,
the university. Yeah, matter of fact, that's what we got
the answer from those same kids when you could actually
they pay you sixty dollars to take it and watch
it for four hours because they were express you've never
seen a movie. It was doing that with LSD. Yeah,

(01:47:22):
that's what that's what it was at and we was
we had just gotten into Boston like that. No, that
was sixty eight. That's right, sixty eight. Oh my god,
and so led Zeppelin and in those groups came through
the sixty eight that was the really the psychedelicy and
they got put onto it here right, wow, that changed music.

(01:47:43):
That was my experience with acid and that whole time
LSDA asked the same thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah right, they
and cousins. A matter of fact, the guy came to
miammy what was one of the other professors, and he
had to show here the Yeah, the show remember Flipper, Yeah,
the dolphin. The guy that did that had that show

(01:48:08):
that was that was an undercover show for the scientists. Wait,
the show was undercovered? Was undercover? That show was a
cover for them doing dolphin studies on with them LD No, No,
the the same guy that did the LSD in New York.
Guys came here and had that show Flippers, and it
was covered checking on the end of that. The Flipper

(01:48:33):
was a cover for them studying dolphins and using them
in the until they started using them in the government
during the war. Oh, because they were doing the bomb thing.
That's when he quit. That's when he let them lose.
Spit right down to the separate tim I mean the sequarium. Yeah. Wow,
didn't get a dolphins, Alice d huh might as well.
I'm sure they did. Yeah, they probably did. The dude

(01:48:55):
named John C. Lily. Check him out, John C. Lily.
And that's how Flippery Flipper started talking about makes sense
up Flipper came out of the water. That was just
a cover that all that stuff that crazy. The real
story was he was training the dolphins to put the
bombs on them, right, and he let them loose. That

(01:49:18):
was the big scandal. Why he found out that the
government was doing that. He turned them loose. Now Atomic
Atomic Dog UM took out Billy Jean number one, Michael Jackson,
Billy anybody listening In case people don't know, Billy Jean
is not my lover. It's not the girl says that

(01:49:40):
I am the one. Yeah, but it's not my son.
You took that shit out, Yeah, Tommy dog. But you
know at the time that UM was that MTV. Yeah,
it couldn't. They wouldn't put it on MTV. It wouldn't
put yours on him, right, but they got the the
gene on that that was he was pop lockers when

(01:50:03):
got you know? And then Prince got on there every
time after that, right, and then you you came and
took it and had the number one position yet without MTV,
without MTV. Wait, that's that's that's what I need. Yeah,
you didn't need MTV. Oh no, we didn't need I mean,

(01:50:23):
it's still and the record company told us it's not
going pop. Did Michael coolly and be like, it's beef nigga? No? Mean, yes,
the toy. I was doing the radio show with the toy.
He called up and say, what is this hair doing?
What is this hair doing? You know? Because that's what

(01:50:45):
I just got, the colored braids? And right he had
heard about it, he said, I mean with George Clinton,
you know black, what is his hair doing? I heard
about it? Right? Oh my god? And what made you
say I'm taking the hair off? I'm eighty years old, goddamn,

(01:51:08):
ain't no matter that Just start phone out by itself.
Do you see yourself as a rock star that you are?
I know, you know I know that I am, But
I don't like to like I said, look at it
like that. I got plenty of times to do that later.

(01:51:28):
You know, when you started looking at it, you can
get satisfied. I mean, not the egotistical. I mean just
actually paying attention to I know. I mean I can't
know what I've done. I know all of the history,
but you know, you know you started dwelling that seasons
to get lazy right now. I mean, I don't like
to get like I ain't done eighty years old. I
need an excuse to stay down. And if I start

(01:51:49):
doing that, you know, I mean, everyone's want bench on
YouTube and look at some of these shows. My wife
doing a lot of the filming and stuff. So I
actually have to look at them a lot lately. But
you can get off into that and shit, I ain't
moving another job, but I don't want to. I want
to something to provoke me and let me TRYA has

(01:52:10):
to do it again, you know, And that's what we're doing.
We actually having fun doing tours now with the especially
with the new the younger band. Have to keep ship's family.
That's what's family amazing. That's the other thing you get
to transferred to ship to them for them to keep
doing it. That is generational wealth. What you're doing. Yeah,

(01:52:30):
that's what I'm trying to make sure it is recognized.
Like I said with Ben Crump, Ben ahead of our
foundation of protect your legacy. That's what we're doing for
all other artists, showing how to protect their legacy. And
there is a thing called family, you know wealth. I mean,
if you do it from that point, they can't use

(01:52:52):
that legal term that is past um, statue of limitation
and all that legal term that you can't. I'm gonna
get your shit right. You can, Yeah, you can, you can,
you should and you should right and so and and
um and the thing is to do it, do it
and you know not, ain't mad and now about it.

(01:53:14):
Just do it right. And that's what's happening right now.
That's an inspiration for me actually fighting and getting the
copyration back. While I'm painting. I had all that, all
that shit on the internet. People love that kind of
content and they're seeing you on the internet. I'm in
the guarden. My wives got a garden. I'm out there

(01:53:35):
picking potatoes and shit. People love that kind of shit
to see the old fuck out there doing. Let you know.
Let so I had all that with the old songs
that I got back that they never heard. I'll be
playing when I came in and her jump playing that
that old shit. I was like, damn, I worked the

(01:53:56):
record that's be put year, just gonna do. People don't
even know about when they hear him now, like when
did that come out? It came out, you just missed it.
But they're still here. So I like participating in the
all the social media shit. You know, that's just like
going to the radio station. So you fuck with TikTok
im fuck with all of them. I'm fok with TikTok

(01:54:18):
I fuck with all of them there. I can't see
you know what I'm sucking the ain't trying to get
commercial with him. I like to play with him because
it's just the kitty shit. The old motherfucker's getting there
trying to make money. Yeah, no, you gotta um you
fu with Twitter? Yeah right, Twitter the most it's negative
best place in them. I don't I don't actually get
on I don't get on Twitter, and Facebook is when

(01:54:40):
I don't get No, No, don't get on that fund
See Instagram, you gotta show you a picture. I don't
really like it. Yeah, Facebook, you gotta show you a picture.
I don't really like yeah, Instagram much just going there
and talk shit. I got no haircut. I'm just saying,
I'm just on the bathroom. I'm like, what's up on
the fucking no no no on Twitter? Twitter? And then
someone be on here like you, Kamala, ain't brush your
hair and he's like, what a minute you just told

(01:55:01):
about the vice president? Like how are you talking about
the vice president? God damn it? And then you just
get in. I don't have no conversation, no politics, no
politics for you. I watch them all deep, but I
don't I don't get out here and talk about him. Yes,
you know, because that's that's another kind of thing right now,
because Joe I watched the hell of him. Because Joe Biden,
I'm not sure if he here all there, he's my boy,

(01:55:21):
he your boy eman. Camel ain't nothing, ain't I'm gonna
great choice, you know, I don't even like you're like
no other there's no other choices now, that's right, right,
I'm gonna just say one thing. The other day, they
walked Joe Biden out and he just can't walk against you.
He see, No, you gotta gott another you know it now,

(01:55:45):
there's a lot of things like you saw Joe Joe
Biden's wife kiss coming out. I don't know that. I
don't know if that's favor real. That ship was weird. Yeah,
kind of partners to happen about. I'm used to. I'm
used to French Italian They're gonna help me kill you.

(01:56:06):
But they're neither French nor Italian. They're not French. People
do that. They ain't no, bis no, I ain't gonna.
I did, I'll kill you not. I've been places where
I've seen two men kiss and then and then they're
like like the Italians, will will do wherever you go.
There's things that people do that's so different getting lost.

(01:56:28):
I mean, did you try to eat some beef in India? Oh? Yeah,
that's as bad as you dog here. You know, so
just depending on where you at, you know, and after
world it's like, damn, I guess they eat everything. That's yeah,
I guess the Washington DC this because everybody's talking actually

(01:56:50):
to you know, get over that at certain things because
we've been so programmed. But I realized, if you starting
and hungly, you do all that. You absolutely you know,
some people think they're starving before they starving right, Oh
enough yet ship, We're not done yet. Hold all right,

(01:57:13):
jus my wife calling me right now. Okay, this is
this is this is something to be touched on earlier.
But I got this in my notes. When you did
flash lights, they actually be performed with flashing lights, and
the concerts, the people, yeah, the people, Oh my god, yeah,
because this is this looks like thousand lightning because because

(01:57:35):
now when hip hop say, put up a light up,
they put up a light up. So you're telling me
you would be this flashlights. Let me get your props.
Let me just get your guys. You know how when
you say put your phones upright, put your lighters upright.
Put so you're a record people. They gotta remember flash
legs like eighteen pounds back then, and they had D

(01:57:58):
batteries and kill a nigga a couple of D batteries,
so literally, you hit a nigga with bio the savers
to that, I mean, and they had the springs. That
was eighteen It was a lightsabers, lifesavers that Star Wars
came out right when we put Mothership out. Star Wars
came out the same year, a couple of months later,

(01:58:19):
and you start performing this. These motherfuckers out there with flashlights,
flashlight coliseums and the stadiums. Ninety thousand people and ship. Wow,
ninety thousand people. You said you saw ninety thousand Afric
Chicago Soldiers Field, there was seventy five thousand half frus.

(01:58:40):
Come on, we got humble artists and humble artists three,
let's all make but no, we got a humble artist today.
We have to humble. Think that twenty thousand. Oh you
got ten thousands doing ninety thousands. Yeah, you got ninety
thousand people in aut with flashlights with killed me. They

(01:59:00):
brought a flashlight. It's basically like holding the dof We
sold him to eighteen pounds. We sold him we had,
I mean wed. That was merch. That was very holy
shit merch. Oh my god. Oh matter of fact, the
merchant you know Prince movie. Um, I would have got
on the club Billy Billy Sparks things. So that was

(01:59:23):
the guy that sold the space, sold the flash like
Billy Sparks flashlights that it was following a flashlights. He
was the one that was doing the merch that time
before he got with Prince. We have a Prince band
was with us on. You know, merch people went to
work for him. This is so crazy. Did you speak
the day I sold? You know? Did I sold? Just

(01:59:45):
recently got back the hold. Yeah, we're working at it. Okay,
are you spoke to the god? They a matter of fact,
they were one of the first ones. That's that when
they sampled, that was the beginning. They say that, right,
Tommy Boy paid us them, Digital Man them in digit
on the ground because because digital only was on Tommy,
then tom Me too. Those are the two that paid

(02:00:06):
us the first time that they were sampled. We didn't
know what people were doing using rec We know how
you supposed to get paid and what the label paid you.
But then Daylight got screwed on their royal. They got
screwed later on. It was a good thing we both
got and the dot paid us the first time. But
by the time they got screwed, we both got screwed together.

(02:00:27):
I'm saying it was due for everybody, So yeah, they
knew it was able to pay you. The hip hop artists.
It was all new in that situation. Nobody knew how
to pay. But and then they actually but they charged
the artists. They told him they was paying us. They
were taking out of their royalties. Told them that they
gave it to us. That's why I told Snoop, that's
why they didn't get student the royalty statement party. If

(02:00:47):
they took it out of the royalty, they didn't give
it to me. It should be on my royalty. So
you see what I'm saying. Yeah, no, she shouldn't be
taken out of the artist's royalty. They did well. I mean,
it's all the publish not just the publishing. The fact
that you sampled the record, right, that's another thing. Now
your master have another master in it. It's not the publishing,

(02:01:09):
but it's the publishing. It's part of the writing credit
and the ownership of the master the record itself. The
writers get their part of them, but the person that
sang the song or played. But you see, this is
why people like you and a lot of people need
to learn more about this because it's so complicated. I
had a lawyer one time that he told me that

(02:01:30):
the people that created the mathematical equation for publishing were
rocket scientists, And I don't know if he was joking.
They're the same one that did the same one that
did um share cropping. You know what the farm Land. Right,
it's the same theory as that ship, which is all
they loan you some money and you never pay them back.

(02:01:51):
Everything that you give them is against some advanced shit
you know, which you'll never see back. And you and
of course you're a fortune to get lawyers to play
with him on that. You will always be Now you
can get it back because of the thirty five years,
and they'll still beat you. If you don't know what
you do, go ahead and do it. But you can
get on YouTube now and if all that shit, all

(02:02:13):
that information is there. But like I said, we're doing
a thing called protect our Legacy, and we're gonna have
announced every year. We're gonna announce it. We're gonna announce
every year whose song is due back to him? Because
every year fire, somebody's song is due back to them
or album. We're gonna find out fire. What about the

(02:02:36):
pieces of the songs, like you're saying, the right samples
up the song? Yeah, all of that, all of that
come back. Like I think that needs to be simplified
for people. Oh yeah, dude, because they need to tell you.
They need to tell you when it's done, you know,
like the copyright place to tell you somebody just use
your song, they just sound they stick can do that,
but they don't want to do that. They're gonna do

(02:02:56):
it once he make it a um um rights thing,
which is what's gonna be. You know that's gonna happen
and everybody because there's a lot of hip hop money
out there that I think we need more sampling and
hip hop because I think that was they scared to
do it because they got suits. I made hip hop
that gave the soul to hip hop. Yeah it was,

(02:03:17):
and when you took it out, it changed hip hop. Yeah,
it's scared. When they got scared to sample stuff that
changed everything. And in fact, that's scared effect that many
people make vinyl records too, as I'm doing. Ain't many
records or scratch. We got to start making records just
so you can scratch them. I'm gonna tell you the
first time I actually besides me, you know um question

(02:03:42):
in my contract, The first time I ever and it
was what wasn't called the order. It's first time I
ever see my record label. It was something going on
that was wasn't right was. I looked at it and
they spent eight hundred thousand overseas budget. Back then, we
didn't have an Instagram, we didn't have a Twitter. Eight

(02:04:04):
hundred thousand, that's what they told me. They told me
they spent eight hundred thousand because they made my record
go number one in Europe and everywhere else. So they
said that they spent this the marketing budget, the marketing budget,
that that's where they always So back then I knew
this something was wrong about this. I was like, wait
a minute, his death jam, this is timmy Boy, this

(02:04:28):
is timming Boy. Yeah, yeah, so um well, it wasn't him,
it was the Penalty At the time, let's just say
it was. It was one of them. It was doomed
together when they was together, Penalty and Time Boy. And
I was asking them. I was like, can you show
me proof that you spent this money in Amsterdam? He
showed me this money, he spent this money in Japan

(02:04:50):
and such such. Back then we didn't have an Instagram,
so whenever they showed me it was sufficient proof. Today yeah,
and you couldn't. It's no, couldn't argue the proof. It's
the only way they could have been spending that money there,
but we couldn't. So that's the one thing I will
give to social media Instagram, TikTok is. They can't do
that no more. They can't say to me, Yo, I

(02:05:10):
just spent one hundred and fifty thousand in Japan and Tokyo,
and I got somebody in Tokyo that I could hit
on Instagram or Twitter and say, did you see that poster?
You know what I mean? And that's the one that's
the one thing. So um. That was the one time
that I actually started to see like, holy shit, these
people are I don't want to say lying, but let

(02:05:30):
me just be honest. They were lying. They were lying.
There was not no other way to say it. And
I'll never recoup that album. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard
to recoup. Let mean, you can't even recoup. You can
go bankrupt and they still tell you you're unstill, oh yeah,
bankrupt supposed to wipe that shit out right, yes, right,

(02:05:52):
But if you paying attention, they still charge you ten
years later you're unrecoup I mean, is it far fet
to say if you look at the history of record
labels in the music industry, it's a racket. It was
always a racket. It was always a racket. It's actually
better now, I mean, it's actually because corporate America got involved.
In the beginning, it was cracket. It was underworld ship, right,

(02:06:16):
And using the word master was even fun up to
using the word master master the master record. No, no,
using the word master for the for the master that
was even like a master record, that the first the original,
the original record. No, no, no, you're taking that somewhere. Yeah,

(02:06:38):
it's master master. You're right, you're right, you're right, my fault, right,
you're right, it's going too far, my bad movies, my
bass alcohol. But I think we're reaping. The industry is
reaping the I don't want to see the benefit. It's
reaping the history of what it was. It was always

(02:07:00):
a racket, it was. It was the world racket. They
called a cash cow. It was so you know street
you know, you made the records on the street, you
and they sold them. You got some of you so
them to the stores. It was a hustle, you know.
And they just made it, learn to make it civilized
and a business. And it's getting to be that, believe me,
because you look around and see yall they talk about

(02:07:21):
billionaires were you weren't even a thousand there my day
a millionaire was out of the reach. But now you're
talking about billionaires, So it's going somewhere. The artists aren't
becoming billionaires, are not in the music side of it,
whether they're doing. They becoming billionaires not necessarily just off
the music, off of the entire thing around them. They

(02:07:43):
whole brand, like Marianna Beyonce Jay, they had to branch out.
I'm just saying, no, you have to branch out. They
get it, but it gives you the opportunity to brand,
you know, the opportunity is that. I'm just saying that
that infrastructure that started the music industry still comes from
that shady place and it's still shaking it off today. Yeah.
But like I said that thirty five years of getting

(02:08:04):
your master's back or getting your copyrights back, that's a
Johnny step. That mean that means you can actually go
in there and get your thing and you can get
paid for the licensing of that from now on. They
didn't have that before. You didn't get it back, you
said forever into perpetuity and all that kind of shit.

(02:08:26):
Now you can actually get it back, but you got
to know how to work it. What was publishing when
you first started, like it was publishing already established. Yeah,
I mean Joe Bett was the best, biggest publishing in
the world. That Motown. All those songs that came through Motown,
they were like the biggest. Columbia was the second, you know,

(02:08:47):
screen Gym the second biggest worldwide published. They didn't movies
and soundtracks, so there was always a structure there for
pop music, classical music and stuff us that rock and
roll was like hip hop. It was a street thing.
For people that don't understand. Rock and roll wasn't a

(02:09:07):
white genre originally, not at first, not at first, but
Richie invented that ship right because people know, people think
of rock and roll. I think of these like heavy
metal bands or something. No, no, no, no, no, that's
that's rock. The rock and roll now, I mean, Jered
y Lewis was my favorite when it comes to rock
and roll version of that white version of that. Elvis

(02:09:28):
was cool because he made it, and you gotta get
people prop that made it worked for him. But jeredy Lewis,
he came to the pollo. Thie didn't turn it out.
You know, he focused like damn this mom. You know
he was he was that he had a real vibe
in this that he was a crazy motherfucking called himself

(02:09:49):
with the killer. I mean, he's he had a hell
of a story, you know. But he was all of
that rock and roll thing for me from the fifties,
you know, and then you got a lot of went
after that, the pop side of it. Like I said,
it's gonna be the Beatles once they got Really that's
how people get asking me a Beatles story for you, huh,
A Beatles story from you? All the Beatles, like I said,

(02:10:11):
that was just just like John Lennon Paul No, No,
I've never met him, because I said, I mean I
met George Harrison. I met him. You know. They all
were their own entity and whatever that was that took
rock and roll to another. But they weren't even rock

(02:10:33):
and roll originally, but they were basically they weren't until
the George Martin started producing them and putting all those
classical strings and things behind them. Then they became something
other than a rock and roll. Their first records, they
records without all the strings and things. It's basically rock
and roll, simple rock and roll at that when they

(02:10:53):
were suited up there, they were rock and roll though
they was there. But but then George Jorge Martin actually
performed put simping stuff there. Over their music, they became
more eclectic, very e classic, I mean to the point
of almost jazz, because the classic it was symphony, you
know what I'm saying. But it was still rock and roll,
and they had all the elements of what rock starring

(02:11:15):
was and they had different styles of real good music.
Whenever somebody else did their songs, it really when Aretha
would do Yesterday, Ray Charles would do Yesterday, their song
was conducive to serious R and B singers, right and
you can their song worked very well. But they were

(02:11:36):
the ones that just gave it all that class and
it was something to shoot for. And that's what we did.
We did not want to be a regular band. We
wanted to be a thing, an extraordinary band. We call
it polo Funkadelic, mint thing. We could be anything we
wanted to. We have to get morph into whatever you want.

(02:11:56):
Nobody wouldn't say that, ain't your bad. You were on genre.
We didn't want to be in a bad You wanted
to be like Sunrin just do music and people say
that that's weird. But when you do get one, let's
be like, oh, it stands by itself like a Tommy dog.
There's nothing. We couldn't even do another Tommy doll. Nobody
can't you know, that's that's never gonna happen. I was

(02:12:17):
just one of those stories, you know, where I walked in.
I thought that, you know, highs hell. I thought they
were recording without me, and ran into the studio, told
everybody let me sing, and they had to tape on backwards.
So I sang to the tape this backwards. It's like, oh,
and once I did it, it was too late. They

(02:12:38):
had to finish it that way. They had to put
the rest of the instruments on. So no, that was
in Detroit. So when you heard it that way, would
you say, yeah, this is gat That's why I'm talking
so long. This is a story on famous dogs. I'm
trying to figure out what kids. Then I'm trying and
I don't force my way in the studio, so everybody's

(02:12:59):
like like they're looking right there. I'm looking right through
the glass. They all looking at me, and I'm trying
to figure out what fucking kids and ain't got no key,
so I'm trying to kill time. This is the story
of famous dogs. I'm sure you're trying to sort the
from sorry, but this is the main my head with
the clap, I mean, all of that was just ad

(02:13:22):
lived into what wasn't gonna gonna Well, I must I
feel like that, moll must I chase the cat nothing
mother dog and me ain't told as fuck that's not
committing to a key. And then do the dog kids?
Did I realize, damn this making sense to the dog catcher?
And I saw everybody start laughing. And once you know

(02:13:44):
I drove you, you're seeing people laughing your ego arow,
you didn't drove you. I got this mother hippi yo yippy.

(02:14:04):
Why that's an incredible that is the real. Because everybody's
looking at it. They told me we're waiting on you
because we we we know we got to wreck it
on backwards. But now they have to go back in
and put the drums on it. Gall invented something brand new,
brand new, brand new. Wow do you I know we

(02:14:30):
spoke about this earlier and I think he he uh.
I asked you and I'm gonna just reiterate it in
a different way. But didn't know how much important you
are to this culture. I don't know that I taking away. No, No,
but I believe me. I do know. That's why I was, like,

(02:14:52):
we've been I can say that kind of stuff. You
need somebody like that to say that culturally, U civil
rights in that. Otherwise we're just talking shit. You know,
we're just kicking it and talking shit. But to say
it like that, you need somebody to put it on
that kind of light that. I mean. I was at

(02:15:13):
the college today, I was, what is the coach? They
just being Crump college. They just changed the name of
quot Ben Crumb. We're out here, yeah, and it's and Nehew, right,
his nephew is a nephew is here. His nephew is here. Oh,
where's it that? Whe's the college that Saint Thomas? Yeah,
Saint Thomas. Okay, so that's what That's what I'm doing,

(02:15:34):
not to to that's fine, to live up to that
kind of shit. That's them. You know, I'm too lazy
to do. I don't know. Don't try to preach. I
can talk shit all day. No, but you know what,
but you know what, um our culture um part of
the reason. And I'm sorry to get so deep right
part of shit? How about another one? I thought I
just drink one shit together, buddy. So but part of

(02:15:58):
that reason, Um, I watched recently, I think Dave Chappelle
and these people go back to Ghana, right, and they went,
you want to use the bathroom? Okay? Oh but um
they went back to Ghana and then they start saying
all this, these things, and what you don't realize is

(02:16:18):
that a lot of us they started to think that
we started in this country as slaves. They didn't realize
that we were kings and queens. And this is this
place in Ghana is teaching right. So I saw this
say that, and I say, damn, you know what if
we don't notice, if we don't know that we didn't
started as slaves, we started as kings and queens. If

(02:16:39):
we don't know this, um, others won't know that neither.
So I say that to say this, I just want
you to know, like as a hip hopper, I've made
my career through hip hop. Um, I've made my life.
I was able to save people through it, Pop. But

(02:17:00):
if it wasn't for you, and it wasn't for people
prior to me recognizing who you are, then I don't
think a lot of us will be here today. Wow.
And that's it's girl shit like I knew. I knew exactly,
but you know, I was studying you for months because

(02:17:22):
it's once once we started and I was like damn,
damn and damn. I never stopped saying damn. Every time
I'll discovered something, something new, and I was just like wow.
And it's like the thing about it is, we want
to give you your flowers. We want to continue to
salute you and to tell you you know you're doing great,
and to tell you that you're fighting a great fight

(02:17:45):
because we're not worried about it. If anybody else does
or don't be worried about it if we do it
due and this is the reason why we have to
do this, and we have to look at you face
to face, man and man out of eye, and look
at your beautiful family and say, we appreciate you. You
appreciate what you do. We appreciate you continue to do it.
You appreciate your smile getting brighter. You're a smile getting

(02:18:07):
brighter because because so many I've been through what you
you've been through, so and so many people have been
through what you you've been through, and you know what
they become. They become bitter people, and you ain't better.
You're sitting here with a smile this whole time, and
this whole that I when I say this whole time,
I don't mean this whole time here. I mean this

(02:18:28):
whole time in life. And I watched you with your
recent performance. I don't know. I think it was in
New Orleans, I'm not I'm not sure. And you had
on a red shirt and I'm just in a red
suit and you sitting there and I'm just looking. I'm
like that man, smile got brighter, it got better, and
my weapon I learned that ship worked a long time ago.

(02:18:50):
I got a permanent crease. No but to me, let me,
let me just say, it's an outside of that's looking in.
I'm just saying, you know, that's what I strive to be.
You know, like as as at a time, I'm gonna
be honest with you. You know, I've been doing rap
for twenty five years, but it's been time where I
got on stage and I just did not want to
be there. Like I gave a horrible show. I did

(02:19:12):
not participate with the people. The people start putting out
their phones and I was just like I just did
not want to be there because I didn't have the
same amount of love that I had when I first
started get jaded. Of course, of the transition, the transition
that went from YO, look at me, motherfucker, to now
it's like I just feeling you because I want to

(02:19:34):
show my girlfriend, or I'm just feeling you because I
want to show my homeboy. Yeah, you started analyzing it
and figuring out what people do. Ye always danger, I
used to tell people in the audience, They've been looking
at us trying to analyze what all these niggas doing
up here. You can't even count us. You can't analyst

(02:19:56):
because we're doing everything to be unanalyzed. Were doing this
on purpose. You can't even count us. So you pay
money to come to see the show. Y'all enjoy this show,
and you know, and because the people leaving up there,
they'll come to the show coming in. Man, this ain't
gonna be shit. I mean there's certain attitude, certain people

(02:20:18):
normal not even thinking about it. This I'm going you know,
but this ain't gonna But if you call them out
on it, hey, you can analyze. You wanted you're gonna
miss the show. Once they realize that, then they lay oh,
try to pay attention to this motherfucker, and then they
end up Damn, they here with us. When we get
ready to leave, they're in the parking lot because most
people thinking about let me get to the parking lot

(02:20:40):
before the other people get there so I can get
out there, don't get stuck in the traffic. We make
them stay till the last minute trying to figure out
what the book else they gonna do. God, I call
them out on it. That way you can actually be
loosening up to have fun as opposed to trying to
analyze what the days about to that? Did you pay
money to see this show? Getting baid s like that?

(02:21:02):
Then the good time a good time. In that way,
we all end up having to be even at the
same time and to talk a lot. Damn. You know
you ever heard of versus versus versus versus? Yeah, I
don't know who to do it with. He wou want smoke.

(02:21:26):
It sounds like you want smoke. You're like, who who
want it? That's what I interpreted it. He can do it,
he can do it against himself. He looked at me,
like what against We started to do that? We started
to do that? Well, who swiss beast? Called. You know,
we talked. We talked with them. We wanted to dude

(02:21:46):
people Parliament funka deli and versus George Clinton and the
people that sampled us, the people me and the people
that sampled us against Parliament funk and everything would be wow.
I wasn't ready anybody I could, I could do that

(02:22:09):
with and get them in it. So that way to be.
But we guys, playing list set up? Can we get
his playing playlist? That's want to do five seconds of
his first fifteen records of his playlist police. I just
wanted to let you know you're smoking. Everybody money's on you,
just in case anybody wanted to versus, Well, my money's listen.
While we set that up, I'll be revistive. I didn't

(02:22:31):
ask you this, so I'm que and American. I want
to know any Latin Cuban scoan. So there was influences.
That was the number one R and B song in
New York, New Jersey in eighteen fifty six, Take You

(02:22:57):
Gotta Set Up and in the B side of it
with your Come You that was the B side of it.
That was the B side of B side of the
nineteen fifty six Wow our cast right outcast sample this,
our cast, sample this, A lot of people sample this

(02:23:17):
wasn't just outcast her that. I'm just no no okay,
don qute dog. You got the snoop dog record right there.

(02:23:46):
I'll take a shout. You want a shot, He'll take
a shot. Qute dog. Shot that you get the stupe.

(02:24:11):
Let me get you a shot. Turn up, turned up
and be getting my shot. Get it down, turn it up.
You gotta get my shot. Shot too, yo yo, cleared up.
We gotta get him my shot real quick. He got
you deserved this one, and give me your shot. I
got I didn't shot on all right, let's go king
all right, father, let me get a shot. We finished

(02:24:40):
the Mama water Baby, take them on. We finished it.
The Corona Corona virmus. This is this. Don't look chilled
at all? Ready? You ready to excellent? Who that was? Terry? Look?

(02:25:06):
I knew? Yeah? Bragle love Yeah, next work, gonna'll be
wilding out in this movie. Can we have a little fun?
We have a little fun. Oh remember the celebration, George,
celebrate you and he gonna sooke India, y'all versus I

(02:25:27):
got my money on George, what's your In my mind,
the reason why y'all kind of funck is y'all got
an ugly funk face shot. We didn't want one shot.

(02:26:09):
Let's go. I was like, I was, you want my majuana, bro,
you want some majuana, bro, I'm seen in your faced. Dude, dude,
come oh, come on man, God damn ya. I didn't
think he was gonna do that. Look, she got you too.

(02:26:33):
You got too. You know you gotta do too. You
gotta do black and white. It don't matter if you
black solo at the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, cheers, cheers, cheers. Yeah,
you do that with him first. I'm white, I'm white,
I'm white. What's that? Mama wanna from the Midican Republic?

(02:26:54):
They make that in the kitchen and kids do No, No,
that's nothing. You got nothing over there? What damn what
do Yeah? Yeah? Mh damn god, damn it. Oh shit, No,

(02:27:20):
he got no no yeah hers who who he can't follow?
It's a little follow my drink. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You
know we got to do version of Tommy Dog coming
out right, Yes, dog, we already know we established staff.
Real video is done. Oh my god, oh god, oh

(02:27:44):
here we go. Oh that everybody that's that day I
saw right there. No, that's underground version and did you
under us? Oh there's a remake. It's a rebig thing. No,
I'm cool happening. I'm just hearing DAYL I saw my yo.
But when did you don't came out to Sam on

(02:28:06):
this too, to box Sam with the did you goes? Oh, yeah,
what's do what you like? Calls assens, I realize do
what you like? Yeah. That was one of the longest
hip hop records ever. It was so dope, need deep clean,

(02:28:26):
long man. One more to do, one more and this
one more shot, one more shots. It's direction. Hey, you
ain't been saying don't do that? Just lives you shot

(02:28:48):
at the man? There he goes, I'm doing sad. Yeah. Yeah,
look cheers, not cheerous, serious, appreciate you and keeping so much. Okay, okay,

(02:29:17):
thank you citizens of the universe. Recording. Ain't experien to
clean to hearing me, hadn't on the mother I am
the Mothership connected getting down and three D and you're
like bang your boys and so like contic you need nobody.
Ain't nobody who needing the boy down? You have shot act.

(02:29:40):
I'm ready hold on it. Listen, I'm gonna take this
shot with you and not you gonna ask you two
more questions to be gonna wrap it up. But hold on, hold,
let's do it together. Look, I always asked peas raising up,
raising up with Joan, Okay, I always gets that makes

(02:30:03):
me know. I always ask people it's beautiful, damn our bully,
our bully. So mister George, right, mister George Clint and
so my grandkids. Grand mister, I ain't gone. I look

(02:30:27):
up to you, so I gotta I gotta address you
as such. But I always ask people in the midst
of making history, do you know you making history? Oh yeah,
you knew? Oh yeah, I'm not hearing that. I mean
a lot of shit just because I can, I do it,
and then knowing that sooner or later somebody's gonna peep it.

(02:30:49):
So a lot of stuff it's playing in there now.
I got the platform and I know that. But you're saying,
when you did we did this crazy music, you knew
I just gonna lie. I knew that. Yeah, if the
Motown and what they've done in music and Beatles and
what they've done, I knew that. Getting me a spaceship,

(02:31:11):
get me up and that I was gonna make a
serious imprint. I knew that, you know, it just couldn't
be commercial straight commerce had to do it the way
I do it, and and it was. We were able
to do it that way and actually have a reason
for doing it, being able to explain our point of view.
We had to do our own pr so we can

(02:31:32):
put our interpretation on what we were doing. We couldn't
leave it up to the radio station on the media
to do it. We would do it and set it ourselves.
On the album covers, we talked about the people on fans,
so we pretty much colored and directed what people thought
about us. You know, over the years we know that

(02:31:53):
that's important. That's why I say TikTok, and I know
how to get on there and get in with who's
ever run and ship and be down with them and
you be accepted as that. So basically you say you
knew your legacy. Yeah, I was planning now, but you
couldn't understand where it was gonna No, I didn't know
where when you was gonna fall? Will I be here?
Not right? I knew that I set up plans. I

(02:32:15):
mean the copyright, the paperwork for the lawsuits. I left
them all over this country with different people. That's gonna
be able to bring them out influentially, influentially like the style, yeah,
oh yeah, nature. He's so outside of the box, like
I think, I don't know. Don't quote me on this,
but I feel like going back from Africa Bombada and

(02:32:38):
moving on Andre three thousand. When he started dressing the
way he was dressing, it was all linked balls. Whenever
I find somebody that's actually you free people people in
us and do it, I'm gonna get with them so
they get They get it by being hanging with me.
I get if I've been hanging with them, right, you
know pretty they all tell the same story. It's cool, dude,

(02:32:59):
he's right when they when Kendrick believe me, I knew
my grandkids told me and like this show. When they
told me we would love granddad, granddad. Do this show
that you you like doing this show? Granddaughter? They keep

(02:33:23):
me up. It makes she's going there with Kendrick. She said,
oh you like him, you like him? He talked like
and when he came it was I always got some
one that got a little smaller. Grandkids they got me
up on all of the hip Hop, the Trap, the

(02:33:45):
Atlanta Cruise, all the new people, the Megoes and everybody,
all of them. I stay up on it coast. They
let them influence me and tell me who's doing what.
And they had me on TikTok doing you know, oh
I know it did this is hey. I knew just
the kid. I knew the kids doing that. And you

(02:34:06):
can see the old folks getting in there now trying
to you know that that's the new place to hang out. Yeah,
you know, and so yeah, I get with whoever's happening.
That works for me, just like it works for them.
They called me to be on that record, I called
them back. That's my only thing by doing one with you?
You doing with me? Right? Kenrid did the record with

(02:34:28):
me and you know, and he didn't realize that I
could put that to use like he could. I got
him doing videos with me, getting all the way down
when when I did it when him was you know,
I was a feature. I was in there with him,
but I got more out of it than he did.
Is it fair to call that equity and legacy? Yeah, definitely,

(02:34:49):
equity and legacy. I mean there is equity and legacy.
You keep that legacy going and the family together so
they be able to I didn't be friends with each other.
All of that. You's got to be managed before it happened,
because if you don't do it before it happened, if
you ain't got a wheel and all that shit together,

(02:35:10):
you can leave everybody but the instincts of trying to
get over. But I'm not even talking about financially or
even like like you know, like in the way you're talking.
I'm talking about in the way that the artists are
working with you. Oh yeah, it's equity and legacy like
these artists. Nah, they love you. You're acting who you are.
Oh yes, it's why they are. I mean, there nothing

(02:35:31):
they can't ask me. They can call me and say
you do this, and I'm down for doing it. I
can see you a positive reason for me doing it
even if we ain't got talking about money, because first thing,
most people, how much you wanta get, we can figure
out somebody you got a shot. I'm gonna be on
all that all I got to if I'll be seeing

(02:35:52):
I'm gonna get mine. You just let me just reiterate
what you mean to us, like there is no matter,
there's no The thing is when artists from our generation
or generation prior to us or after us. It's an honor. Yeah,
it's an honor. No, No, it's really is I No, No,

(02:36:14):
it's really is an honor. It's not someone someone you know.
You know, I don't know if you know I cloud around.
I play around just the only time it was one
of them. I'm not playing around? Is it's an honor
to be in your presence for um our generation to
sit back and say, because you know, just just me

(02:36:34):
playing the records and just sitting around and me looking
at certain people who's younger than thirty reaction and saying,
that's Snoop Doggs record, Like, no, it's not, it's a
that's dr J record. No funny when you're when you're
like your great grandkids and say, oh you're playing snod
how you playing? You know it's money. You don't even

(02:36:58):
have to defend. You like learned that learning. Why do
you let me keep thinking? Why you let me keep
thinking of beautiful people? No? Because you know, hey not
and you snow how you sitting back and most people,
you know, they think that record again with him when

(02:37:20):
he took over death death okay, And you don't have
to read. They have to read the spam. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that whole thing. I went back and redid it. But
you know, for him and hey, when you ready for
me to come in, you know, call me him most
cube Qube did the last album with me, him and

(02:37:40):
Kim ricks on the same song. Wow. Well you know
we want you to know why because your legends, legend,
your icons, icon, you're tycoon's tycoon. You're a person that
has to be you know, saluted every single which way
of it. So excited man, um, I couldn't believe you

(02:38:03):
know what I mean? Like when I get people like
you and Paddy LaBelle like like it's it's like it's
it's chills in my body because everybody else too, I
kind of get flowers to at some point I compete
it with them in music. So it's like, ah, but
I ain't compete with you. I ain't compete with you.
Cannot compete and I cannot compete dispect you. No, I

(02:38:24):
cannot compete with him. I cannot compete. And what I'm
saying is everybody you know, uh deserves day flowers. And
I'm telling you you deserve a garden man. You know
what I mean? You deserve a garden I loved. Give
me some more of that greene. You got some hold

(02:38:48):
on you talking like keep on man, drink okay, but
na for real? Um. You know when me and if

(02:39:12):
Um we got together and we was like, man, we
really want to make sure our legends is appreciated. Our
legends are I don't know what. We just wanted to
celebrate the cool. We want to celebrate it. Oh, Man
to call me, No, Man, definitely, We're gonna call you again,

(02:39:33):
call me again because we want you. We want you
to do your own podcast. Goddamn y yeah, yeah, And
we want you to know you are a beacon. I
want you to know we got your back. You know,
me just digging into your story and me knowing your story,

(02:39:53):
but me thinking I knew your story, and then me
you know when we when we booked you, just just
digging in. It's just like wow, It's kind of crazy
because your story is my story. It's just thirty years later.
For how the fuck do we and you have the
same story thirty years later? That means the same system
was in effect from then. The record hasn't changed, you

(02:40:14):
know what I'm saying. So when I'm sitting there because
because to be honest with you, I'm not supposed to
identify with your story your your story. My story is
supposed to be better than yours because and then when
we have the same exact story, it's just like fuck,
this system might not change unless we say it. You
have to say it you get into existence. Yes, so

(02:40:36):
I want to say to you, you know, face to face,
man and man, we appreciate you. We got your back.
Whenever you want to come and talk some shit. This
ain't no other podcast on all the platform in the world.
You can smoke some weed, you bring your grandchildren, you
bring the whole band. Welcome. We're gonnacome because you're gonna

(02:41:04):
get that new copy of Atomic that absolutely, but truly
and honestly, truly and honestly we want you to understand
those flowers and the green flowers as well. But we
want you to understand that you are beacon in our community.
And in case we don't, we talk about you so
gracefully when you're not around. Let's talk about you so

(02:41:27):
gracefully when you are around. Appreciate you, appreciate slut And
if you're ever having a bad day or if you're
ever having an awkward day, or if you're having an
off day, just look at yourself in the mirror and say,
hip hop wouldn't be hip hop without me. Absolutely, remember

(02:41:52):
remember that that was hard? Did I kill that? Yeah? No, no, no, no,
no no no. But by the way, because I'm in
it with a joke, but I'm not joking. Honestly, that
was not a joke at all. When I really listened
to your catalogue and its entirety. And I don't use
big words, but just bear with me. Entirety is a

(02:42:12):
big word for me. I'm listening to your catalogue, entire team,
I'm thinking, oh shit, this motherfucker gave birth to the
West Coast. And then quickly reminded me there's no all
of hip hop, not just the West Coast mother Flipper.
We were talking about Flipper earlier, right, So it actually
started on the East Coast. Yeah, it really did. Yeah,

(02:42:34):
I mean were there with it. Like I said, Sam,
start bothering them. It was real early, early, early, early
early hip hop at seventy eight, when we could see
the influence from their dress. Cold. But I just want
you to know how much you appreciate it. We want
you to know that's what we do over here and
every day of your life. Just in case you ever

(02:42:57):
like I said it again, but I'm gonna say it
just to reiterate what I said. If you ever having
a bad day, you just look at yourself in the
mirror and say, a hot nigga right now sampled me.
They needed me to move forward. Yeah, I'll do it.
As long as I'm in the bathroom. We're gonna take

(02:43:19):
a bit. It's only two times I had goosebumps. It's
him in. Drink Champs is a Drink Champs LLC production
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(02:43:41):
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