Eerie Explorations & Rock Rhythms: A Paranormal Journey with Karen & David

On today's episode of Fringe Beyond Limits, Frank, Bre, and Lynette are joined by two special guests Karen and David Schock. Chicago-based Karen and Ivan Russia, make up the two-piece, post-punk, goth, industrial band known as BELLHEAD. David, a man with decades of experience in the music industry, is machinery behind the band’s success. 

In this episode, we explore Karen and David’s dual passions of creative music and exhilarating experiences as paranormal investigators, marrying their love of all things dark and spooky.

Karen and David share their spine-chilling encounters from their most memorable ghost hunts. Listen to their tales about the notoriously haunted St. Louis, Civil War cemetery in New Orleans and the video evidence they captured at the Edinburg Manor in Iowa. Pay attention to the hair-raising tale at the Franklin Castle in Cleveland, as Karen and David recount their experiences and share why they will never go back.

Together we discuss our thoughts on some cryptids like Mothman and Bigfoot, debating theories that range from ancient hominids to biblical Nephilim. The conversation also touches on the intriguing connections between paranormal phenomena and ancient history, with fascinating insights into Karen’s background in archaeology and her experiences in Egypt.

As the discussion unfolds, we learn about Bellhead's musical journey, their inspirations, and upcoming projects. The band’s blend of rock, punk, and industrial sounds, combined with their DIY ethos, make for an engaging narrative that intertwines with their love for the paranormal.

Don't miss this captivating episode filled with spooky stories, musical insights, and a glimpse into the lives of two individuals who beautifully merge their artistic and investigative passions.

Stay tuned until the end for exciting plans and potential collaborations that promise more thrilling adventures on the horizon!

Episode Transcript

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Music.

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Welcome back to another episode of Fringe Beyond Limits.
Hi, guys. Hey, Frank. Hey, Brie. How's it going? Hi.
So, how was your guys' week? It's just bad week. Works. Fun.
Eh. Just eh. Eh. I swear to God, you, I don't know how you, do you have an internal monologue?

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No. Some people don't. Some people really don't.
Jesus Christ. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. what i can't think of
stuff no you can't think did the
hamster fall off the wheel it did actually did
it get it the fuck back on oh jesus yeah
i hate you it's too much effort yeah god all
right so all right so we have a special

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people slash person i
mean like would a couple be considered it singular speakers or
would it be like two separate
people right two separate
people okay all right well we have on this week david and karen guys welcome

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how are you hi great thanks for having us happy to be here awesome so we started
a little thing i'm sure since you guys.
Unfortunately have listened before and still agree to
come on i don't understand why gluttons for
punishment but we usually start off with like a an article
and we started doing something a little bit differently we started talking about

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things that keep you up at night so i would love to hear something that keeps
you either both up at night or individually up at night oh wow Wow.
That's a question no one's asked me before. Well, there might be more.
Now it's going to keep me up all night.

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How to answer this question. How to answer this question and still go to sleep
in about two and a half hours. Right. Good luck.
Do you want to go? Do you have anything? I mean, I can tell you that I'm middle-aged.
I know I look like I'm 27, but I'm middle-aged.
And so I'm to the point where I worry about retirement. all my thoughts,

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care of and i'm not a young man so that's always on my i'm on my brain that's
what keeps me up at night okay all right and you do look like you're 26 actually
like a 26 year old mr belvedere yeah.
Karen does that keep you up at night as well yeah i mean i think that's that's

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a similar that's a similar thought
like two nights ago i couldn't sleep because i was trying to figure
out how i would ever be able to afford a house in this economy
so that was that was great um
i'm also terrified of spiders that could keep
me up so all right like are
you afraid that they're gonna crawl on you when you're sleeping or just

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in general you know when i
was much younger i would say like 20 years ago or so i
i was sleeping in an
old farmhouse kind of in southern illinois and
i woke up in the middle of the night and i felt two pairs
of eight legs crawl up my legs and they

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were brown recluses no and ever since then i have been terrified terrified they
didn't blame me thank god but like that was was it never again and it's like
spiders too so i totally understand is and not just any spider like the mac
daddy of spiders yeah right right
like this is gonna this is gonna fuck you up i'm definitely not gonna be able

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to sleep tonight thank you okay so you have something you'll you'll talk about this next week.
So i'm gonna have to go in on a limb and say if i wake
up and i feel something crawling up my leg i just
sit there and pretend like nothing's happening because i am waiting for
it to get to the promised land you're just hoping it's messy i don't care who
it is i mean listen if i wake up and somebody is servicing me i don't open my

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eyes i don't care who it is i'm just getting serviced okay am i the only one
yeah you're the only one i think i think you are all right yeah not even dave,
i don't sleep that's my i'm one of those weird four hours a night sleepers and
that's that's what i do all right all right well so so am i i only sleep maybe

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six hours i'm with you there,
so maybe we'll just stay awake together and hold each other there you go i mean
that's an option you guys can
cuddle on the couch awesome all right rochambeau for a big spoon little,
dave's big spoon okay i think that's
frank's preferred too we're gonna have to arm wrestle

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this all right so you guys
are married you guys live in chicago yes and you guys are also paranormal investigators
we we are i guess we are yeah we kind of put a list like i guess we've done
done a lot of stuff yeah all right what what stuff have you guys done in and out of the bedroom.

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You don't need to answer that you know i i think you know the one of the things
that really you know it's it's nice to have shared interests right if you're
with your partners and i think the paranormal is one thing that we We,
you know, we both early on knew that we were both interested in,

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and then we, we have a good kind of, you know, we, we, we're excited about one
thing and then we, then we kind of keep compiling on it.
So we, we kind of pull each other into these things and, and build each other up.
And then we ended up just, we started going to a lot of locations and doing

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ghost investigations. Investigations. And then we've we've kind of been keeping on doing that.
And then, you know, in addition to investigating, we also just go to weird that
not even necessarily paranormal.
But, you know, we went to Point Pleasant, West Virginia, to the alleged sighting
of Mothman, to the Mothman Museum. We went to the International Paranormal Museum

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in this little tiny town in Kentucky.
We've done a few Bigfoot sightings kind of things.
So we're kind of all into the weird unknown, if that makes sense. Love it. Absolutely.
Oh, yeah. Karen actually has a degree in archaeology.

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I mean, she digs old bones, so there's her bedroom joke.
She's kind of got that already in her background. And I've always had an interest
in the paranormal and the occult.
So I do a lot of history reading as well, Civil War.
So a lot of the sites we go to actually has a lot of that attached to it.
So has this just been an interest that you guys have had both separately and

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together, or did you guys kind of come across this interest while you guys were together?
I think we're both sensitive in different ways, and we kind of complement each
other as far as that goes.
Karen is always speaking to people, and I'm more empathetic as far as I can feel the rooms.
I'm more of an energy person myself, if that makes any sense.

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So we kind of complement each other very well.
And I think before we were together, you know, like I said, being being a former
archaeologist, like I was into the history of things and definitely was fascinated
by, you know, paranormal and occult stuff before we were together.
Absolutely. So then it was just kind of like, you know, early on when we were
dating, it's like, oh, you you like this weird stuff and I can talk about things

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and you're not going to you still want to go out on another date.
We have these conversations.
So that kind of that was nice. Keeper. I mean, the book I just finished last
week was on Sumerian gods in Mesopotamia. Like, who reads that?
Like, that's what I was just reading about. So it just adds to the knowledge base.
Oh, yeah. We were at Salem, too. Did you have that? You have that in Weston?

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So, all right. So that's awesome. So I think the three of us,
I think I have dove a little bit deeper into the all-around array of cryptids,
occult, Sumerian, whatever history.
And that is all awesome to me.
So what is, if you had to pick one genre to research for the rest of your days, what would that be?

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Oh gosh. It's all fun. It's hard hitting questions.
No, it's hard. It's hard. I mean, thank you for noticing.
I was, you know, I've always been very, very into ancient Egyptian history,
ancient Egyptian mythology, things like that.

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I've been to Egypt before I dug in Egypt and that was kind of always my love,
but I think I'm, I'm just fascinated by,
by history in general and then you know learning again
kind of my archaeology and my historian aspect of it
is just you know you go somewhere and you learn the history and
and also you know when it comes to paranormal and supernatural it's i also also

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like to debunk things you know like i'm a big fan of like all right you guys
are full of shit and this is why you're full of shit you You know,
so I don't think I'm ever going to pick one area to focus on. Okay.
You know, I definitely prefer, you know, I think older.

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Like, I'm not, I don't, I would not be excited to go and do an investigation
in something in the 70s and 80s. Because I was, you know, I was alive then.
And I think that's kind of weird, like, to know that there's been dark history, like, in my lifetime.
Time so i always tend to be like let's go to civil war

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sites let's go to late 1800s early 1900s
and things like that i don't know you especially when you
start looking at all of these places um and you
go into like the the asylums in the institutions and you're like they were torturing
people until 1997 and i'm like wow that's that's pretty fucked up yeah like

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cognitive dissonance has to kick in exactly yeah yeah yeah yeah well in in In Ireland.
I think birth control was illegal until 97.
So, I mean, just to kind of like put time frame into stuff that's happened around
the world, it's just fucking crazy.

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Right, exactly. So, I did not know that you had a background in archaeology and that you have...
Done sites like that. So you've been to Egypt. I have. Yeah.
I've, that was probably my most exciting thing I've been to.
Yes. I, I have a degree in, in archeology and I was, I was a professional archeologist

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for, for quite a few years.
That is awesome. It was, it was great.
It was, it was, it was amazing when it was. And then, you know,
the, the problem is for, for all of the, you know, the budding archeologists
that follow your podcast,
the problem is, is that there's no, there's no money and there still is no money.

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And it's very seasonal, very temporary.
You know, when your gig is done, your gigs done, you don't get insurance,
you don't get time off, you don't get retirement.
And, you know, even I still kind of have my finger on the pulse and,
and, you know, I get the, you know, the ads for jobs still through my,
through my email, even though I haven't done it for so long.

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And like, just recently, you know, there was like, you know,
it's something in on the East coast and they're like, it's going to be three
months work and pay is 1450 an hour.
And you have to have a master's degree and five years experience.
And that's what it is. And the only way that you can really have a career in
this is if you You go the academic route, you stay in school,

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you get your PhD, you apply for federal grants.
And that's a long, that's a long con, you know.
So, yeah, I did a lot of archaeology through the Midwest, through the Southeast.
And then, yeah, I did a couple weeks in Egypt in the early 2000s,

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which was pretty amazing.
And then, you know, while I was over there, obviously got to go and see all
the, you know, see all the fantastic and amazing things there, too.
So I'm going to, I'm going to have to ask. Are you going to ask what I want to ask?
Probably not. So you should probably go first. Oh, I'm curious if you ever took
anything home from a dig.

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Maybe not a lot. Allegedly. Have you ever allegedly? No, no,
I can, I can, I can say, I can say that I, you know, without hesitation.
No, I never. Okay. The only thing
that I took from Egypt, which actually I found out later was illegal.
So hopefully the, you know, Egyptian government isn't listening to your podcast. They all do.

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Like that it's an immediate you know you turn
that stuff over sure well that's good to know because everywhere i
travel i usually collect a little bit of sand or dirt she collects
bodies i don't collect bodies but yeah allegedly now
here and there so so okay so my question was since you are a professional archaeologist

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did you get to see the the the pyramids in giza as As well as the Sphinx by chance?
Yeah, I went into the Great Pyramid. So when I went over there, they were still open.
Oh, wow. So I got to go into the Great Pyramid. And then you couldn't go close

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up to the Sphinx. But I was there for the Sphinx.
I also went into the Red Pyramid in Saqqara.
The Stepped Pyramid. And a number of the tombs in the Valley of the Cakes. Thank you.
It was one of the last couple of years of being able to go into the Great Pyramid

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before they closed it off.
All right. I am 100% so jealous. One. Two, follow-up question.
The erosion on the Sphinx, wind or water?
There's only one correct answer. No, there's not, though. There so is.
There's not, though. Because the Sphinx was much, much, much older than everybody

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says it is. And then it's been recarved multiple times.
And the bottom part actually shows signs of water erosion.
But the top part clearly was altered multiple times by man.
Yes, that's the answer I was looking for.
You shouldn't whisper. I know, I'm sorry. That was the answer I was looking for.

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I'm so excited. but according to ancient alien historians
there's a whole nother story there yeah you know so i don't follow too much
about the ancient aliens but i am infatuated with egyptian ancient egypt so
so that's why i was because there's because the striations on the bottom of the

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Sphinx look to me so much like water erosion that you find on like cliffs of
like England and Ireland.
Like they match up so, so similar.
So, and water, as we know, wasn't there till before the Younger Dryas period
of what, 10,000 BC? Yeah.

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Yeah. So anyway, that's the geekiness in me coming out.
Stay tuned for Egypt part two podcast. Yes. Stay tuned for Egypt by Frank.
And office conspiracy theories. Yeah. So I am so jealous and I,
you have no idea how jealous I am.

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No idea. So have you been following, I know Robert Edward Grant has been publishing
videos and doing a few seminars and stuff.
Have you been following any of the new stuff that he's been sharing regarding the pyramids?
I have not. No, no.
So he recently... I tend to get, yeah, like a lot of the Egyptian stuff,

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I see it and then I'm just like, bleh.
But no i i have not i have not heard anything
of what he's uncovered so that's i would be interested so yeah he's been talking
about i'm gonna mess this up but the room the what is the main room is it the
king's chamber is the king's chamber thank you i was drawing blank thank you

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but he was talking about the carvings and the stuff that's on the wall and he was drawing
connections to alien life form and everything like that so it's it's fascinating
i not enough time to kind of talk through it but i would love to talk through
it at one point right but he's just got some new stuff that he's been sharing
and it's been making a few waves,
yeah i think it's it you know as as a scientist right you have to like you can't always use,

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aliens as the answer or the
paranormal as the answer although you're missing me shake my head my husband
is is glaring at me with angry eyes right now and like shaking his head and
he's like that's exactly how you it you know dave and i are on the same page
karen you and frank are on the same page.

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But no, you do bring up a good point. Just got to balance the two.
I kind of... It's a little bit of both. I line up with more of Graham Hancock's
version, that there's a lost chapter of human civilization.
That, due to most likely what happened during the Younger Dryas,
where probably it was common impact into the ice shelves in North America that

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resulted in this great flood,
that every single ancient civilization writes
about you know that tells me that
they all forget that the floods and everything everyone talks
about it at some point right and not and and it's not just the floods in in
the all the the culture's history but if you go if you go across the planet

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there are similarities in art
and architecture like the the pyramid is a very Very similar shape for,
you know, if you look at, you know, South American architecture,
if you go to, you know, Cambodia, there are there are pyramids and there are
sacred spaces and there are obelisks.

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And, you know, obviously there had to have been a connection that spanned the entire globe.
I mean, yeah, you would just assume. And yes, but the floods are everywhere.
Every every history has has a flood.
Right, right. And that, to me, that tells that something did happen,

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opposed to everyone just had the same story, because not everyone,
according to current history, was connected that way.
Yeah, no, I agree. See, Karen and I know what we're talking about,
guys. Just some of the time.
This was not how I was expecting. I was thinking the same thing.

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Yeah, me neither. Me neither.
I was ready to talk about ghosts. We're going to talk about ghosts.
Yeah. We're going to talk about my band, and then that's going to be great.
Yeah. Let's talk about the floods. Let's do it.
Yeah, no, 100%. And I'm sorry, Lynette and Dave, it's not aliens.
Don't forget, Brie, you have no proof that it's not. You and Succalacus.

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The pyramids could be energy sources is what it is. Well, of course.
By shortwave radio, that's how they did it. Right. I mean, the pyramids,
I think, were definitely more like an energy factory, like a large battery.
Because there was never any sarcophagi found in any pyramid. Am I correct, Karen?

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Well, no, you're not correct. Okay. I'm okay being wrong. I'm okay,
guys. I love it when you're wrong.
But I will say that the pyramids, you know, as compared to the other tombs and
the other chambers were quite different than other burials in ancient Egypt.

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Sure. But then also, like, we don't even have the technology today to move some
of those stones that they were able to move supposedly 3,500 years ago.
Right. you know so i mean i mean i would
love to find out how they did it probably with like i
personally think so this is going to be me

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going on off my tangent now i think it had to do something
with sound energy so that's what they're doing more research now that it's all
tonal like you can reach certain frequencies that will levitate a little bit
can move the stone because the stone's porous and there's a lot coming out now
as far as that portion of it goes yeah so i have this theory that time travel is.

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Possible and it has to do with more sound frequency than
anything else and the reason i
came up with that is that you know when you guys hear a song from you know your
past you can get transported back and you could taste what you're tasting smell
the same smells have those same feelings which is in essence a time travel and

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i think that that kind of holds the key these vibration these sound
vibrations can take us we just need to figure out how so i have like my own
little personal and mind you i have i am an idiot yes i am as stupid as can
be and these are my thoughts
so i could be 100 wrong but that's just my own personal theories would you guys

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like to comment on that i mean motley crew takes me straight back to mad dog
2020 and party balls listen Listen,
Celine Dion gives me erections like you wouldn't believe.
No, I'm just joking. Canadian erections are no good, though. No, no, no.
Nothing good ever came from my erections, so I get it. Pun intended? Pun intended.

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Well, yeah, this is awesome. So let me get back to Dave. Dave,
how do you pronounce your last name?
It's Shock. Shock. Karen, how do we pronounce your last name?
We're married you can just call you shock as well shocks the shocks okay okay good so,

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so you guys are into both ghosts and cryptids what are you what do you think
mothman you guys brought mothman you guys been to the mothman museum you've
been to point pleasant obviously obviously, right?
Yep. What is your theories on Mothman?
That's a hard one to start with, actually, of all the cryptids. No, it's...

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You know what? There wasn't many sightings, you know?
And they really have only claimed that Mothman has come around maybe once or
twice. And so it's... It is...
I like to believe in the myth of the Mothman.
You know, it was a tragic, tragic thing that happened in Point Pleasant with,

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you know, the bridge breaking and so many people dying and what a terrible thing.
But just like so many small town Americana, that is their entire revenue.
And, you know, I've never seen Mothman, so I, you know, I can't say if he existed or not, but.

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You know, a lot of times with all these cryptids, it's like,
man, there's so many blurry photos with all the technology we have.
Like, why are they all blurry? Right. They're all blurry photos.
All blurry photos. That's what I never understand, too. I was like, they're always blurry.
But we've talked about this before. We have. And it still mind baffles me.
Yeah. But like, mind baffles you? Yes. Okay.

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English has to be your second language. It's my only language.
I don't think. All right. So, yeah.
So, we've talked about this. So like, yeah, the blurry picture,
everyone's like, oh, it's blurry.
It's got to be, you know, duh, duh, duh, duh. But then when there's like a clear
picture of some sort of like UFO or whatever, it's like, oh,
it is too clear. It's got to be fake.
I feel like no matter which way we go, no one's going to be satisfied with the

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evidence that's obtained.
Right. It's all down to personal experience and you can't convey personal experience
to make somebody else to believe it.
So I hear you. I mean, we, we actually travel a ton all across the country,
but if you take someone from Chicago,
that's never seen an actual forest, like the Hills in West Virginia or up and

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down in Tennessee, like those are so dense and so dark and deep.
And that's a whole nother experience. Like there can be things in there that
you would never imagine.
I'm sure there's parts of the forest that they've never actually checked out to be honest with you.
Yeah and that's a great segue into bigfoot just
because i believe that a creature

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like a bigfoot not only is possible
it probably does exist and one of the biggest pushbacks i get when i talk to
someone it's like oh well we've never found a body and i'm like yeah you're
right we haven't but we know bears exist have we ever come across a dead carcass
of a bear before like how maybe Maybe, maybe they collect their own.

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You never know. Well, that, or just, you know, they just decompose and they're
scavengers in the forest that just, you know, eat up the meat as is just like
with like a bear carcass, you know?
Especially if they, if their community is smaller than a bear's, you know, community.
So, you know, there's reason to believe why we've never come across a dead Bigfoot,
but I definitely think they believe in, or I believe that they exist just because

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there's way too many sightings and different types and the possibility of something
that big with such a small number still exist is so possible.
Cause like you said, Dave, it's so deep and treacherous. It's right.
It's steep, it's cliffy, it's, yeah, it's just like the bottom of the ocean.
Like, we don't know, we've not found every single thing down there either.

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That shit terrifies me.
That's what he knew. That's right, he found something else.
Not watch The Meg 3, that's for sure. The Meg, I love it.
Those were good movies. Stupid movies, but good movies. Hey,
Lynette, have we ever done a movie before? No.

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We can't talk about movies with Lynette. She doesn't watch TV at all.
I know, right? I mean, it's not true, but it's still very limited.
I would say every once in a while I find something she watched. Every once in a while.
So let me get your guys' beliefs on Bigfoot. What do you think it is?
Because there's so many different theories on what it can be.

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What do you guys think it is?
I mean, I've actually started to take my studies and reading interest towards the Nephilim.
So it seems to be a lot of conversation going that way, that they either are
Nephilim or descendants of Nephilim.
And that's why I kind of brought up, maybe they collected their own,
maybe they actually had their own burial system, much like humans do.
That could be one of the reasons why we've never seen them.

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Also, you know, they are in dense forests where they could have caves or an
underground city, which that
sounds crazy, but who knows what type of civilization they might have.
That's kind of where I'm taking my readings towards and my studies,
I guess, as I said, it's all Nephilim.
So when you say Nephilim, do you mean like the biblical Nephilim from pre-flood era?

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Correct. Okay. So, so let me ask you this.
Where, what do you think the Nephilim were then? Do you think they were really
fallen angels or angels?
Yeah. So that's what, that's what it seems like. Again, there's all these,
all these histories that point towards that.
Everyone's got the flood story. Everyone seems to have enough of them story.

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Again, I'm just kind of, kind of steering myself that direction,
but, but it's intrigued me as a possibility is what a lot of these may be.
Yeah, and I think I don't go that route.
So where I kind of lean is, there was a time where there was more than one.

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Human type primate in the earth you know
right like and that yeah that could have been
a flood but they you know the the i believe you
know the homo sapiens and the neanderthals were were very
you know very close in the same time and could you know
honestly could a a bigfoot type thing be be a hominid that just never evolved

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the same way that homo sapiens did yeah no i i i kind My belief system kind of meshes those two.
That is such a season one X-Files answer.
Believe it or not, I never watched the X-Files until about six years ago, seven years ago.

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Yeah. Isn't that weird? Just a little bit. Sorry. I'm a bloomer.
Well, I mean, I got laid in high school.
Yeah, I don't believe that. I'm just joking. No, I didn't. I didn't.
And never since. And never since. My wife is still a virgin, so.

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Oh, she's going to hate that. So do you consider like Yeti and Bigfoot and I
don't know, all these other names. Sasquatch.
Sasquatch all to be the same or what are your guys' thoughts with that?
I would think so because they're just different regions.
Just different races of the same hominid species. That's what I would think. Categorize as, yeah.

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Karen, Dave? I would agree to that. Just, it's all regional then. Hmm.
I really think that Yeti, I'm not even sure if I would classify them as Hamadid.
I would kind of classify them as their own entity.
I don't know. I mean, we've never found one, so we really don't know.
I mean, but I mean, there are so many stories that you talk about the,

(32:19):
in Nepal, in the mountains there, you even talk about.
American natives, you know, they have their own stories of Bigfoot and dealing
with them and having wars with them.
If I remember correctly, I think you guys, Dave, you should be able to speak on that.
Weren't there like Native American stories about having wars?
I want to say again, I want to say, yes, that there were, that there were wars against taller people.

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So I don't want to, you know, I don't want to say nephalism again,
but there was, there was some type of battle.
Yeah, no, you could, no, I mean, you could definitely say nephalism and,
and, and say say what your belief system is
i've you know no one should have any issues with that you know no
so i think the the native americans
are just you know riddled with yeah skinwalkers and thunderbirds and in dogman

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and you know even like the the ancient anasazi in arizona like there's so many
rumors about you know they were aliens and you know with the hopi they thought that there was
super natural as well so i mean i'm
sure that there's some sort of man
we sprayed all fields don't we yeah we do we talk we like

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a lot of a lot of weird stuff no this is great this is exactly the conversations
that like lynette and i have all the time so this is awesome yes this is like
a normal there's others out there like us yes we're all nerds together oh a
hundred and thousand 1000%. Yes. I love it.
So yeah. So, oh God, there's so many things running through my head right now

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because I was totally thrown off guard with this. I love it.
So with you guys, so what are some of your favorite hotspots?
I know you guys mentioned the mothman, like you guys also do paranormal investigating.
So let's kind of like circle back to that for a minute.
What were some of your favorite hotspots that you guys have been to and what
was some of the best evidence that you guys have either personally experienced

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or caught on audio or video.
We actually have had some pretty cool personal.
Good. Pick one. You start.
Yeah. So I think one of the earlier ones that we did together,
which is where found out that dead people like to talk to me.

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We were at the, it was the St. Louis civil war battle.
Round, right? The Civil War Cemetery in New Orleans.
And this was the major battle where they had the National Cemetery,
where the Lafitte, the pirate, came in and was also assisting with everything.

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But it's literally these tiny little limestone.
Graves you know akin to akin to what arlington national cemetery
looks like right just like a sea of 30 000
ancient old uniform rape
sites yeah yeah and that's and that's it and so we're just walking down and

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i have you know we have some readers you know i have i i have you know one on
my phone that i like to use that quite you know famous famous people use and
you know walking Walking down, I'm always like,
you know, asking for names, asking who they are. And it was Alexander.
And in a sea of 30,000 graves, I turned to my left and Alexander was at my feet.

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And it was like, holy shit. Like, that's, you know. That's awesome.
I love those synchronicities. Right, yeah.
Yeah. And we go to New Orleans at least once a year.
We try for more. And we always go to the cemeteries that are open to the public, right?
You can't, you can no longer go to the big cemeteries because of so much vandalism.

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Now you have to go in a group, but we'll go to some of the, the neighborhood ones.
And they're still just as beautiful and fascinating.
And, you know, we were going down
rows and people were just shouting their names off at me left and right.
And it was just, it was nonstop. And like, there was one, it was like,
it kept saying alley, alley.
And I'm like, I'm not in an alley. what are you talking about like i'm

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i'm not i'm not in a street i'm not an alley and dave like
yelled he's like did you just say alley and i'm like yeah and
he's like oh he's right here and i'm like oh my god that's like that's crazy
so that's you know i get a lot of names in a lot of a lot of cemeteries but
i don't know you could talk about i mean last year we did we actually did a
true investigation in uh edinburgh manor which is in iowa and i only bring it up because.

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Because you get used to cold spots and you get used to the feeling of a room.
But in this location, which was an old mental hospital, I believe.
It was a mental hospital. It was a poor house.
It was an orphanage. It was used up until recently as well.
So when they shut it down, they shut it down with people's stuff still in it. It was crazy.

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But as we were investigating, it's cold and it's dark. But I just happened to turn a corner.
Every hair on my body. and i mean every one of
them stood straight up it was the craziest feel i'd never
felt that much electricity all once and then you're like
what is even going on here anymore because that's just intense and that was
where we caught the shadows on the wall shadows on a video we use a lot of we

(37:39):
like to use that like the cats led play balls yeah so when they went at the
spirits and they light up and they move we caught video of them moving them
around and that was pretty fantastic.
Wow. What else? We did the Franklin Castle in Cleveland.
We kind of did that place. We didn't get anywhere close to it.
Fuck that place. Really?
Wait, which place? I missed it. I'm sorry. Franklin Castle. Franklin Castle in Cleveland.

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In Cleveland. It's a private residence and you can't go in it.
Okay. We saw it on your favorite ghost hunters show.
Was it Ghost Adventures? I know because you're the number you're the number
one fan and you're the president of the fan club and so we saw it on on his

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show not only do i shit on a picture of his face i'll then come on it too i
don't i'm not i'm not afraid.
But it is it is it's it is known to be very active and very violent and it's
private so we can't go in but we were in cleveland and so karen was actually

(38:46):
parked in the car so i hopped out real
quick and I only made it across the street and it was just so intense.
You couldn't move any, any closer to it. Like he didn't want to.
So that was my experience. Like just trying to take pictures of the outside
of the building. Karen had a totally different experience.
Still like parking the car, getting on the car where I believe I turned around and she yells out, ow.

(39:11):
And I'm like, what? She's like, something pulled my hair and on her reader, I believe it said,
pull, pull pull yeah and i think it was like full hair yeah
and like that between me and her like we're done we're not
going anywhere but they're already that active across the street
like we don't have to get into this no i i for sure got it i got my hair pulled
i got pushed and then i felt like i was gonna pass out like it was like the

(39:35):
the black was coming into my eye and i was gonna he was still across she wasn't
even close to it that's crazy i will say the one thing the one thing we,
do not go and try to
find dark places again like
like like your your favorite tv show right i

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am i'm not gonna be like bro i'm gonna take down a demon tonight and and honestly
like i believe that you know you go in with your intentions and you feel those
intentions so if you go in with a good heart and a good mind you are likely
going to have a decent experience You're not going to have negative,
but sometimes there are places that are just dark and we, you know,

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we know we, we were not prepared for that.
So we didn't continue on that, that adventure. And then we did.
I don't know if you guys are all in Chicago or around Chicago, but close to Norwich.
Yeah. Yeah. A little monument park that the redundant memorial,
a monument park, which it has stones for orphans for the victims of Chicago fire.

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Yeah. The read, the read Dunning was a hospital and then it was a orphanage. It was a poor house.
Again, it was one of these multi-use things, but it's, it was around since the Chicago fire.
So it had victims of the Chicago fire. It had massive civil war.
Or there's nine plaques, I believe.
Yeah, there's nine plaques. And they said that there's like 30,000 people there as well.

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So it's an old potter's field, essentially. Yeah. But I ran,
I literally ran an EMF meter everywhere.
Over every ounce of that place. I ran EBP the whole time.
I got nothing. I didn't feel anything. Got nothing. Nothing at all.
Karen, however, came across the girls' orphanage plaque.

(41:25):
Yeah. And the boys' orphanage plaque. Where of course she started to have a conversation.
So, you know, of course they're giving her name. She's talking to them, whatever.
And we're finally getting ready to leave. It's like, okay, you know,
goodbye. We had a great time.
And I believe the message she got was, I really liked this or something to the effect of it.
She had like an Avengers button pin. Actually, like a pin. Pin to her bag.

(41:48):
Fall straight to the ground.
And at that point, well, if you like it that much, that's yours.
So, of course, you got to pick it up and leave it there. Yeah.
Because that's just too, it's just too strange.
Oh, that's fucking cool. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah.
And then we've, you know, we've also. We get horrors everywhere.
Yeah, we get a lot of photo and video evidence too, right? Right.

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Because it's also like, again, you can say that these things come up on your
phone and you experience these things, but it's different when you actually
like, here's a thing, you know?
And so we, we did one of the, one of the ghost tours in Chicago.
I think it was a history one or whatever, but it was, you know, it was a lot of fun.
And so, you know, they talked about the, the fire at one of the Chicago, the Chicago theaters.

(42:34):
Right. And basically, a lamp got caught.
I mean, it killed everybody in the theater. It was packed.
And the problem was in the back, in the alleyway, the door was...
They blocked the fire door.
Right. They blocked the fire door because it was pull and not push.
And so everybody got slammed up against the door.
And if you didn't die from the gas asphyxiation, you got trampled to death.

(42:57):
And it was crazy. crazy and so I
so for people that maybe not know it's like when you
talk about or you talk about photos like basically you stand in one
spot and you just repeat you just shoot photos right and
you don't look at them and so I was standing and I was
looking down the alley and I was kind of looking at the at the back door where
you know this this awful tragedy happened and I'm just hitting stuff and hitting

(43:19):
stuff and we leave and then I you know we get in the bus and then I looked down
and I'm like holy shit like you can see there's actually a still of the photos where an orb appears,
it goes down the door and then kind of down the alley and then disappears. Right.
But it's clearly like, I'm fast repeating. I'm not moving. The light's not changing.

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You know, it was... We had the same thing with the Bell Witch Caves.
Yeah. A lot of orbs in the Bell Witch Caves.
Yeah, that is my bucket list, is the Bell Witch.
That's a lot of actually exploring. Like, you have to get down on your knees,
and you get wet, and you're climbing through rocks for sure.
I think you're referring to my bedroom right now.

(44:05):
They rebuilt the house, or they moved the house. so that the house they have
standing is not the actual house right from the stories yeah but it's still
pretty fascinating you get a real feel of living in a farmhouse at the time
wow yeah that's that's definitely on my on my on my list wow you guys have had
have had some crazy fucking,

(44:25):
stories together that's amazing you had a great one at the old
joliet prison which is worth doing if you can get out there for
oh that's fine one of the spring tours they can do it like
they can lead you you can do it yourself but that's exploration at its
best yeah joliet but but they have an old
church on site there take the old jail chapel
yeah jail chapel you know she's she starts talking to people i'm

(44:45):
like i'm gonna go explore over here and duck behind this fence and
maybe talk under this fence and be in places i should be and she starts talking
to this one and what what and i was and i was like i was at the door of the
old chapel and literally it comes across my phone it says no priest and i'm
like jesus oh man okay yeah no priest here you know oh.

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So we've hit, we've hit a lot of like Midwest stuff. Yeah.
We were, we were really hoping to hit some more this year.
You wanted to be able to say ax murder. Yeah. We were hoping to go to,
to the ax murder house and then the squirrel cage gel in Omaha.
But the, you know, with my, you being a touring musician, we just,
I'm playing so many shows that we're not going to be able to do a fall, a fun fall paranormal.

(45:31):
Well, let me know what your schedule looks like. Because I personally,
I think you guys do too, Brie and Lynette, want to go back to Villisca.
I'd go back, yeah. I've been there twice. I've been there one time with Lynette, one time with Brie.
And I would love to go back a third time because it's pretty unique.
And you guys are welcome to come with us. That would be great.

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Yeah. And it's very, I said it's very close to the Omaha Squirrel Cage Jail Prison.
And then there's also a sanatorium on
the missouri side that has some that has
some dark history is that the glore glore hospital
yes that is it it is glore yeah in
st joseph missouri yep yeah yeah yeah

(46:14):
yeah no i mean the whole town of st joe's is
yeah no we can do the trifecta
that that's i'm good with that i usually call that a blonde
on brunette and redhead but we can do our own that's fine
uh so yeah so actually this is probably a good segue to go into that karen is

(46:36):
one of two members of the musical band out of chicago called bellhead how would
you describe your music karen yeah we.
I guess you can label us as post-punk for people that may have no idea what that means.

(46:57):
You know, we fall into a rock kind of category.
We've been described as a more electronic white stripes.
We've been described as, you know, a little less heavy Jesus and Mary chain.
You know, so we have a lot of, it's very much in the rock vein.
But we have hints of punk of industrial of

(47:21):
goth we we blend genres
very well yeah you do but but the the fun
thing about us is that we're you know a we're two piece
but we both play bass we both play
bass live and we both sing and that's it and we have backing tracks
there's no guitar ever will be
will be in our band ever ever ever so everything

(47:42):
you hear is essentially two bases and stuff we
make on our computer and we replicate
that live and our and our shows are enjoyable you know
we we tour relentlessly all over the
united states on our own we also open for
bands you know we've opened for goth bands
like clan of zymox i'm i'm going to

(48:03):
be opening for 80s 80s band
gene loves jezebel and we've opened for
new metal band like power man 5000 and flaw
so we you know we really kind of spin and
sway between all all the genres but what's
what's super cool is that i kind of
get to blend my love of the

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dark and spooky with the rock and roll and
we are part of a really cool
event in august on the third yes and.
If you can can't give the details because i don't know
everything so i was just you're gonna go up and play and
i'm like all right you know because i'm already i
follow all this stuff so there's actually a paranormal convention happening in

(48:47):
madison on the third and they call it the para rock
the annex it might be the inaugural event but.
They've got like dave schrader from the holzer files they're showing
up to be like the main speaker they've got people from what
is it 28 days haunted like the netflix show so there's
gonna be like tarot readers it's an actual convention and at night they're gonna
have bands play yeah and i know like there's for sure gonna be like there's

(49:10):
reiki people they're they're supposed to do like an actual like get in a bus
and go to a paranormal site and do investigations too like i want to be dave schrader so you're.
I'm acquaintances with Dave Schrader. I wouldn't say I'm friends.

(49:31):
Yeah. So I've met him several times and I'm sure I haven't seen him in years,
but I'm sure when I do, we're going to give each other a big hug and,
and, and say hi. If he remembers you.
Oh, please. What color was your hair the last time he saw me?
I don't recognize you without me.
Oh, please. I am so memorable.
I don't know. I mean, he's got a fist for radio for sure.

(49:54):
Oh, dude. I say that all the time. I agree. agree my wife always i've been trying
to figure this out my wife always asked me to put a bag over my head right before
sexy time i don't understand why you know but i thought you said she was a virgin
well i mean she's a virgin but the bag on his head so it happens because,
i'm so short i'm so

(50:16):
short i have not penetrated the hymen yet hands tantric
studies you do yeah yeah right so i
am trying to plan on going to para rock
on august 3rd so if
i do i would love to introduce you guys
if you're a big fan of his oh yeah

(50:36):
i would love to yeah awesome like what tv shows like we don't watch tv shows
we would just watch youtube and paranormal shows yeah and then that's what we
do yeah everyone's everyone's like TV have you watched you know the dragon whatever
show dragon like I'm like no I'm like but we're but we're almost current with with Oak Island.

(50:58):
God damn those assholes that they
can this is like on 10
years we love it and where I am hooked and
I am committed I am gonna follow them
until the day they die or find gold
in that damn hole that they've been digging for 10 damn years
for not being a paranormal show like that is the

(51:19):
perfect show for the two of us because because the archaeologist in
her like she always like talks about the digs and what they're doing and they go
into this like i'm about the history of the the medieval
times the knights and these studies and the numerology and the templars like
that's that's my jam right there yeah no that is a perfect show for you guys
to just dive into and just hate each other and the show exactly we have I've

(51:43):
made a drinking game out of it. So that works too. Yeah.
I love it. There's a lot, a lot of drinking games on discovery or history.
Well, I, there is, and I'm not sure if you've noticed in our little link,
I've been drinking this whole time.
Fantastic. Yeah. So, but yeah, I, I, I am trying to be there.

(52:05):
So, so tell me more about this.
So Dave, I'm, I'm assuming you do a lot of their promoting or what is your role?
I've actually, it's funny. I've, I've been in the music industry now for probably 30 years.
Oh, wow. But I have done everything there is to do except for being a musician.
Okay. From A&R to label, ran a label, to management, to tour management,

(52:31):
to DJ, to all that stuff, to handle media and press.
So I just kind of throw my expertise that way.
I'm the guy behind the guy, the face behind the face. I'm just a talent.
I feel the same way, Karen. I'm just a talent here.
You know Dave does not give himself as much credit
as as he should he he was you

(52:55):
know co-owner of a pretty successful independent record label
and like the goth industrial kind of genre he's put on massive festivals you
know he's tj'd big clubs in Chicago you know he's he's booked huge shows he's
booked small shows you know and he's you know really done a lot and it's and it's nice

(53:15):
you know it's we're really you know the band you know we're we're we're three
you know there's there's i've been my bandmate me and then dave you know he
does booking and promoting and gets us interviews and and although i landed
this podcast so yeah thanks for doing your damn job.

(53:36):
But it's nice because we are 100% DIY.
We do everything on our own. So there's no smoke and mirrors.
We don't have label backing. We don't have a booking team. We don't have an A&R team.
And just because between the three of us have done this for so long that we're

(53:56):
able to do this and do it successfully.
And, you know, we've, Bellhead's been scouted a few times,
you know, by, by smaller labels asking, you know, asking for interest,
you know, we've, we've been offered, you know, a couple of things and we've
actually turned them down because it's like, well, this is what I can already do.

(54:17):
And these are already in my metrics. And what are you going to give me that I can't do myself?
And, and, you know, generally they, they can't answer that question.
And it's like, I'm I'm not going to give up 30%. Exactly.
You know, when, when you have a Facebook page with 400 followers,
like I can do that on my own. Thanks.

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But, but we would not be successful with, without Dave's knowledge and experience
as kind of, you know, the, the, the Oz,
the wizard of Oz behind the curtain helping us along.
Well, that's awesome. That's awesome. I think...

(55:27):
A guy for eight to 10 days because, and I have a husband who books that tour
for me, you know, and it's just
to get me out of the house and read comic books and eat pizza for a week.
Yeah. But, but, but, you know, Dave also does come with us too.
So, you know, he's doing this, you know, we're, we're playing this weekend.
We're going to be out of town, you know, Friday the 19th, we're,
we're in Nashville, we're in St.

(55:48):
Louis, but then at the end of August, we're going, we're doing a run of six days.
We're going out to Colorado and Albuquerque and Dave's going to be with us for that.
So it's nice. You know, he does come with us for, for quite a few of the shows too.
New Orleans. Yeah. And then, and then we were, we're doing a festival goth goth
post-punk industrial festival in New Orleans in October and.

(56:11):
Dark city fest and dave will come with us for that
and then we built an extra day i'm like i'm not going down in new
orleans to not get joined yeah i gotta
go visit my cemeteries and either you know eat them
crawfish which the last time we're there like we've i've
done all the tours there is to do northlands i in and out
i could give you the full tours word for word the way they give but so

(56:32):
i reached out to people like i wanted to find actually a paranormal group
and and actually do do ghost hunting
yeah we got the contact like go to
this guy call this guy talk to this guy so we ended up
in a group that took us to a voodoo
princess's house oh shit
well their house yeah but it they took us

(56:52):
like two courtyards back to where the slaves quarters were
and it was phenomenal yeah so and
they they brought out all the toys so we had never used what's the
stick figure oh the sls we've never
used one until then it's phenomenal yeah so we we
focused on this little garden had full activity the
cat's balls we had it would touch full conversations

(57:14):
but yeah and then we actually got to see with the stick figure
which which was great yeah that's awesome
so yeah hopefully when we go to new orleans we'll do some do some
more stuff play a rock show and then do some yeah well i.
Mean and my bandmate will sit there and roll his eyes
oh he's not into it he is
not he is he is just a bump bump on

(57:36):
the log what's the actual lyric that he wrote in the song but you you feel the
spirit the spirit doesn't move yeah yeah it's like you know yeah wait say that.
Again doesn't move me what's the actual lyric don't ask what my lyrics that
she feels the spirit but the spirit doesn't move me.

(57:58):
Asking me how my songs go i don't know
right i mean come on she only sings
them she doesn't know them i i
haven't actually said we i had practice earlier today with him and we were getting
ready you know pack it up and get ready for the shows this weekend and i brought
out new orleans and he's like he's like i don't know i may just stay in the
hotel the whole day that you guys are going to be in new orleans and at least

(58:20):
i'll have peace and quiet and you guys can go do whatever you want And I'm like, fine.
That's awesome. Well, I mean, just to back up for a moment, just you guys talking
about, you know, Dave booking the hotels where he.
You, Karen and Ivan stay in the hotel together for, you know, a few days alone.

(58:41):
That whole story. That's the first thing that you. Yeah, no,
because I can, I can relate to that.
I can relate to that because it, it, it speaks to the strength and trust that
you guys have in your relationship, which I think is a must in every relationship,
whether it be husband and wife, friend and friend, because my wife does the same thing.
Most of the people i go ghost hunting with i find are to be women and i stay

(59:06):
overnight with them i stay in hotel rooms with them i mean and don't get me
wrong i am not much to look at like i get it but i do prey on the desperate
and a lot of these women are desperate so.
Oh please i i've seen both of your husbands all
right you guys are desperate for it no but

(59:27):
i mean but again that that speaks to you know your
relationship and how strong and and how
much it's built on trust that you don't
even bat an eye either way of being
in these you know you know
to the outside person to the layman be
compromising positions when they really aren't you

(59:49):
know and that just talks to you i'll tell you this
like 25 year old me thought the rock star
lifestyle is completely different as as
the 52 year old me because now it's all just spreadsheets text emails text here's
more tears shows accounting yes it's it's all math it is not it is not sex drugs

(01:00:09):
and rock and roll it is spreadsheets i don't know about anybody else but all
I think about is sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
I try incorporating that into my stays with these ladies and they don't buy it at all.
Nope. We take the drugs before the show. We take all the aspirin before the
show to make it through the day.

(01:00:30):
Agreed. Nowadays, you're right. I do a lot of Advil. As long as it's not Tylenol PM. Fresh Advil.
Oh, yeah, Tylenol. I'm really excited. I booked my knee
cortisone shots for a week before we start the
colorado tour yeah i'm ready to go yeah well
my brianna brought up tylenol pm here's a funny story you guys may or may not

(01:00:52):
appreciate so it was awesome i wish i was there her when she got married her
husband invited me to his bachelor party so it was a it was 2020 it was october
of 2020 so right in the middle of covid.
So we were able to find a golf course that was open.
So we golfed and then afterwards we were going to go to, where did we go at the dinner?

(01:01:16):
Gibson's. Gibson's. We went to Gibson's in Rosemont. You were excited about
how big those stakes were. Yeah. I love big stakes.
And then we went to Heavenly Bodies in Elk Grove Village. That was like one of the few.
I know. I know. I'm assuming you know what that is. I know. How is that even
still open? Oh, it was. It's not anymore.
Actually, they closed down, I think. did it really yeah yeah

(01:01:37):
oh so so heavenly i
take i usually take about six to
seven ibuprofens just to feel better yeah and i stopped at a liquor store i
grabbed a 12 pack of beer and a handle of jack and i we go back to the hotel
we got a hotel room and i proceeded to take six ibuprofen,

(01:02:02):
and I then I took it with beer and then I started to drink like a monster and I felt the entire night.
I felt like I, somebody fucking drugged me.
Like I was at heavenly bodies fighting to stay awake.
And so it was horrible. So I finally called it a night at midnight.

(01:02:23):
And for the next month, I felt so depressed because I was a rock star.
I was the guy that can go 48 hours partying. and
i'm like i got old overnight i
was so depressed till one day i was
at work and i'm like i got a and i remembered i still have my bag from the bachelor
party in the back of my car because i'm a slob as well and i went to go grab

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it and on the bottle i see pm i took six ibuprofen pm.
Then drink like a monster for the next six hours and finally passed out.
So then I look at myself. I'm a fucking rock star. I roofied myself and then
drink a lot for six hours and finally passed out. That is rock star status.

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It was more funny, too, because the I can I can one up you right there. Oh, please do.
Please do. I was at a bachelor party with a bunch of my friends.
And it was my, yeah, it was when the clown drugged us.
Oh. And then I got clowned. A clown? You got drugged by a clown? Was it John Wayne Gacy?

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Drugged by a stripper clown. Oh my God. Maybe it makes it better. That was me.
The guy who does our music videos, John Weaver.
So if I'm going to go down in flames talking about clown strippers, I'm going to call it.
So it was me, John Weaver was getting married. His wife knew we were taking him to a strip club.
My husband knew we were going to a strip club Ivan was

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with us and so there's a big group of us and we go
to one of the strip clubs in the Chicagoland area and
we roll in I mean and they like they're like that's our mark and we know that's
our mark because clearly we rolled in we had money we had booze it was just
it was it was bad and and that night we specifically picked

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this strip club because there was a clown stripper that was,
that was going to be there and.
Would, would put, you know, one of those, one of those things that you,
you, you blow and it like extends and then it curls back in.
It's called the penis. You're like a children's toy.

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It's not a kazoo, but it's like a kazoo where it's curled up and then you blow
it and then it extends out and And it usually has a little tassel at the end
of it and then it curls back up.
Well, she blew that, extended that out, but didn't use her mouth. Oh.
I love it. Was it her butthole?
It was not her butthole. Oh, even better. Yes. Her ear?

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But things got real fuzzy and we don't remember most of that night.
One of the guys left early the next day he's like I got roofied I got drugged
that was our friend drag and for our drag to say that somebody drugged him it's
gotta be it had to have been pretty extensive but but there but there it there

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was like a blackout night and and I had.
Like eye fever shivers aches so we all said that we got we got clown flu.

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But yeah that's one of the many nights where i'm
like husband there was a clown there's a stripper we call that too i'm sorry
i feel dirty that's amazing i will ever hear it sort of tops that I'll send
you some photos of the stripper photos.

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There's not any stripper photos, but there's actually a video of me falling
out of the sunroof of a car with an air horn.
I don't know. It was fantastic.
It sounds like a good time. I really think that the eight of us need to go out

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on the town because this could be amazing.
Amazing. terrible idea but all
in oh so wow that
took a that took a real left turn it was the best turn
ever so i so with i don't even know where to go from there i love it you made

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him speechless it doesn't happen very often guys so since since ivan your your
bandmate isn't big on the
paranormal how much how much of the paranormal does influence though your music and inspire,
songs or lyrics.

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I'm sorry you guys cut out there i couldn't hear you guys so there are tornado
warnings in the area i was getting alerts on my phone this whole time so there
is a possibility they might have had a power outage yeah it looks like they're
gonna try to get back on so all right but yeah there's just Stripper clowns.
Stripper clowns. Yeah, but stripper clowns, that sounds fantastic.

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I didn't know there was such a thing. I know Frank's going to be for Halloween
this year. Yeah, I'm going to be a stripper clown.
You got to practice with that kazoo thing. I know. Do I use my pee hole for that?
Your pee hole? I don't know. Can you blow from it? You may use your butthole
instead. Because you blow out of it anyways.
I could do something with it. I don't know if I could blow air.

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I could pee out of it. Is that the same thing? No.
So they left the Zoom. Yeah, we probably give them like another five minutes.
So we're going to just have to fill the stead air with what?
I want to go to New Orleans. What would you do in New Orleans?

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Every little thing about Ghost and Paranormal possible.
But you'd probably have to leave Brian home, huh? Yeah, I would.
Would he even go to that city?
Yeah, he would. because i mean it's like the whole
place is haunted infested with as
long as there's no dolls there is that it it's the doll situation yep all right

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i mean that's fine so are do you think we should find a replica of robert doll
and put it in your bedroom can we please yes Yes,
they're coming back on. Are we back?
You can fix that in post, right? Oh, yeah. That's not even going to get fixed.
Don't worry about it, guys. That's not a big deal.

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We're professionals here. You actually had a great question,
though. I don't know if Karen heard what you were asking her. Oh, the songs. Yeah.
Yes. Yes. A lot of our songs are.
Yeah. Ivan likes to say he likes singing about unreliable narrators.
And he likes people to figure out the story on their own.

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Like the last survivor of a shipwreck. Yeah. What are they, the hero?
Did they cause it? Or you have to question that.
Yeah. And then we have a song called Frankenstein. And it's actually written. For me. It's.
So we have a song called Frankenstein. That's not about the monster.

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That's about the doctor. And we have, you know, a lot of our songs are very,
very much influenced by kind of dark and mysterious and, you know, even like unicorn.
One of the Baba Yaga, you know, that we bring. Yes, to tie them all together.
Unicorn Bones does sing about topless dancers and Baba Yagas and necromancers.

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You know, we do. And I would say it actually funny enough, Ivan does basically
98% of the lyric writing.
So for somebody that's not really big into supernatural stuff.
He's really can write quite a bit about it.
Yeah no that's amazing like so i

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so since we've talked initially i have
gone back let's do a few more songs of yours and i
do like them that's not i don't bs
i don't lie i don't you know blow smoke
up people's asses but the one song that i keep going back
and back to is that one valentine song i really really
love the lyrics to that song that thank

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you yeah that for some reason and like
it just it just hits me just right
and yeah i what was
the name of i'm so bad with names of songs i'm sorry no i mean that's valentine
oh it's just valentine oh so there we go i i hit it out of the park in the first
try i love it so does gold star yeah so is ivy just a cold

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-cut skeptic of the paranormal period or does
he have some sort of belief system that just whatever we do doesn't fit into
it i haven't really talked too much about it okay i guess i know what we're
going to talk about on the tour on tour this weekend i mean his biggest influence
is probably the creature from the black lagoon nice that's his jam yeah so he doesn't sing.

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About the creature but that's always there yeah okay
awesome so as we
kind of like wind down here what are some of your upcoming projects either
both with the band and just personally in investigations
that you guys have going on yes so we have quite a few shows coming up hopefully

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we're not i know my internet's pretty spotty right now so this weekend on the
19th we're playing in Nashville on the 20th. We're in Cape Girardeau, Missouri.
We're doing the Para Rock. I said, we're doing a full tour.
We're going to have about 35 shows this year, which is pretty crazy for an independent band.

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And everybody can find all of our information, all the socials.
We're on Facebook, Instagram, Spotify.
If you just look up Bellhead, bellheadband.com will get you anywhere you need to go.
We just recorded an album. It's probably not going to come out until next year,
but we have new songs we wrote.
And with that, we'll do a video, another music video as well.

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And then personally, what's on our short bucket list of where we want to,
where you want to go, husband?
I think it was Valencia doing that, the triangle, doing the Valencia Axe Murder
House and the triangle that you talked about.
The Villisca Axe Murder House? Villisca. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yes. That's my accent. Yeah.

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Chicago accent? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's, no.
And absolutely. And like I said, we do look forward to going back there.
So, you know, if the stars align just right, you guys are welcome to come along.
It's not a big deal. One of our short bucket lists actually was Brushy Mountain
Penitentiary, which we didn't explore it.

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Like we're driving in Tennessee. Karen's like, turn the car now.
Like, what are you talking about? She said, turn the car. She saw like a 12
inch sign that said penitentiary that way.
So I turned the car as quick. of the can drove 30
miles up the hills to come to
brushy mountain which if you don't know brushy mountain is
famous because it's a prison with only three walls yes because

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the fourth wall is just a giant mountain yes so i've always wanted to explore
it and i we didn't explore it but i got out took pictures and i saw it like
that was that was a tree for sure and i think we obviously want it i mean everybody
wants to go to penhurst right oh yeah that would be cool so it's funny that
you You bring up Brushy Mountain because,
so where I work, I manage the Northeast and Southeast,

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portion of the country sales reps.
And one of my sales reps is in Tennessee and she brought up Brushy Mountain
to me. And if she's listening, Angie, you rock.
And she brought it up. So it's just so funny that I was just talking about her
or with her this week about Brushy and then you guys bring it up on the podcast.

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That's awesome. a sign it's a sign that we have to go and
she's invited to come with ladies just fyi so
when we go she's coming with so shut your face shut your
face so and then so yeah so brushy mountain yeah we you know what we should
just plan that all together soon that would be awesome yeah again you two karen

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and dave are welcome to as well if the stars align wherever you want to go we'll
go We'll go, let's do it. Love it.
Yeah, 100%. And I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I love making friends.
Dave and I are gonna scoot. Then they're gonna meet you in person and be like,
oh, shit. They're gonna meet me in person and be like, I didn't realize how
big of a fucker you are. Yeah.
You know, like I've described myself, which I- Oh, I didn't know you meant physically.

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I just meant like your personality.
I fucking hate you guys. You guys are dry humping my last nerve.
You said that earlier today. Yeah, right, because you guys are.
Sorry we hurt your feeling. I don't have a feeling. Just one.
Just your only feeling. My penis? God, keep, stop.

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Anyway, where were we? I forgot where we were. You're talking about spooning.
Are we wrapping up already?
There's tornadoes rolling through. Put a bag on it. put a bag on it so yeah
dave and garrett let's stay in touch because i do i am trying to go to the the
pair rock and i would love to meet both of you in person and if my two co-hosts

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ever you know decide on what the fuck they're doing they can come along too,
amen love it well definitely we need to we
need to talk more i said there there's lots of lots
of things that you and i need to converse about yes i agree
for hours so oh yeah 100 we need
to to meet halfway at a bar and a restaurant and have
dinner and drinks and just chit chat for hours i

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would love that done yeah all in
awesome yeah so i'm gonna we're gonna sign off
here if you two want to just stay on for a couple more minutes after we sign
off and we'll just kind of close out with each other sounds good all right awesome
lynette brie anything else you guys want to add this has just been fantastic
i love that we covered so much yeah it was definitely Definitely interesting

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episode today. I love it. It was cool. And I hope we can do another one soon.
Yeah, it was cool. All the ones of listeners, please check out Bellhead.
They do have really, really good music. And follow them and check out our Facebook,
or not our Facebook, our website.
We'll have them up on our guest page and all the spots where they can be reached at.
So for that, thank you for listening in to another episode of Fringe Beyond Limits.

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Music.