The Smiley Face Murders: Unmasking a Chilling Conspiracy

Welcome back to another gripping episode of Fringe Beyond Limits! This week, our hosts dive into the eerie and controversial theory of the Smiley Face Murders, a potential serial killer or group of killers targeting young, successful college-aged men across America. From strange disappearances to unexplained drownings and the enigmatic smiley face graffiti found near the bodies, this episode will leave you questioning everything.

Join us as we explore six standout cases, examine the mysterious patterns, and discuss various theories, including the possibility of a cult, an organized crime syndicate, or even rogue law enforcement. Could it be the work of a single individual or a dark web conspiracy? Tune in to hear our thoughts, theories, and some spine-chilling revelations.

Don't miss the chance to weigh in on this perplexing mystery. Send us your thoughts, theories, and what keeps you up at night to Frank, Bre, and Lynette at FringeBeyondLimits.com. Stay safe, stay curious, and stay tuned!

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Music.

(00:37):
Welcome to another episode of Fringe Beyond Limits.
Well, welcome back, everyone. Hey, how's it going? You guys are way too chipper.
We've been drinking. Yeah. Well, that and I have a little exciting news.
Oh, exciting news. I like that. What's your news? So we talked about the lottery

(01:02):
curse last week, right? We did.
A, I survived. Okay.
Because B, I won $10.
So I paid $10 and I won $10. It's more than my $4.
All right, so. So then I reinvested the $10 and lost.
I wanted my cut. Weren't we splitting this three ways?

(01:25):
Well, no, you said the advice of you take your winnings and you reinvest your
winnings, right? Wasn't that the advice?
Or was I only supposed to invest half? I think you were supposed to at least give me my third.
Oh no she spent it already next
time you owe me three dollars and 34 cents no
no no no no i don't round up oh i do i have to because i have to i go from three

(01:46):
inches three point three three three three three three three no it's it's three
inches and then i go hey it's seven and that's how i round up because it's 3.07
check your math that's a big difference in rounding up over there is it Yeah.
I know. I think I'm pretty spot on. Yeah. Yeah.
So how was everyone's week?
It was long because I didn't want to go over to work, but it's okay because

(02:11):
Thursday we had an ice cream social, so I got to eat ice cream and make origami.
Okay. So what's your favorite ice cream flavor? Ooh.
I don't know. Usually my go-to is cookies and cream, but anything with also
like chocolate covered nuts inside of it is really good.

(02:34):
Is that a way of you saying you like...
Yes. Chocolate covered nuts, yes. I think that's what she's saying.
All right, all right. Any kind of nuts?
Like, do they have to be? My favorite is peanuts, almonds.
Those are my two favorites. Okay. The other ones are eh. What about cashews?
No, they're too soft. They're too soft? You like them hard, huh?

(02:56):
Yeah. A long week, but not a soft nut. They're kind of boring.
All right, all right. What kind of nuts does Brian like?
He likes almonds, too, and peanuts. And he likes them chocolate covered as well.
Two peas in a pod yeah i feel as though two in an ice cream cup feels a future episode of,

(03:16):
brianna gets cucked by a black guy is coming oh jeez that's oh lord that's uh
that's anyway all right well that's that's good how is uh how about you lynette
how's uh how's your week i mean my week was awful oh but like i said won the
lotto you did win all whopping 10 bucks which is great Yeah.
Week went by too fast. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. How about you?

(03:40):
Yeah, it was, you know, it was a pretty crappy week.
So, yeah, I have mental health issues. So I was all up in my head all week.
So, yeah, that was me. Yikes. Those are never fun.
Yeah. You know, I call them Eeyore weeks.

(04:01):
A little Eeyore. Eeyore. So, yeah.
But you know what? We're back here, and we're going to be talking about what?
Oh, wait. We do it out. What do we do first? We do an article first, right?
Well, typically, yes. Yeah. Yes, but I had an idea. Oh. I wanted to switch things up. Okay.
Things that keep us up at night. Maybe we open some episodes with just those

(04:26):
weird thoughts or the things that keep you up at night.
I like that. Do you guys have any examples?
I kind of do. Okay. I like it. Because I've been mulling on it for a while. Oh. Okay.
I'm going to hand you, okay, mental, like, visualize this, okay?
Okay. Because obviously we don't have pen and paper here.
Hand you a box of crayons. Mm-hmm. Okay? And I'm going to ask you to draw a

(04:48):
picture of a tree. Mm-hmm.
And a river. Okay. And the sunshine. Okay. Okay?
Got your picture in your head? Got it. Yeah. What color is that tree trunk? Brown.
Mm. And what color is the sun? Yellow. Yellow. Okay. And what color is that river? Blue. Blue.
Doesn't that piss you off? Knowing that the majority of tree trunks are not brown.

(05:14):
They're actually gray. 90% of trees are gray. Really?
The sun is white, light is white, and water is clear.
We've been lied to our entire lives. And it doesn't matter if I hand you a box
of five Crayola crayons, or if I give you the box of 120.
Mind blown. alone so it personally

(05:36):
it does not piss me off why because
i have a horrible color deficiency
well yeah i probably should have thought that through because
you're colorblind he probably would have colored it and not realize it was purple
so the colors i see are different than the colors you see so i have that just

(05:57):
makes me who i am yeah so that does not piss me off so But somebody told you
tree trunks are brown. Right.
Right. Somebody corrected you when you were coloring one day as a kiddo. Agreed.
Agreed. Whoever that person was. Yeah. They're in trouble with my book.
Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, in Lynette's vengeful book of people that must die.

(06:19):
I should write a memoir of just like, yeah.
Yeah. A, things that keep me up and things that take me off.
Yeah. Well, do you have another topic to add?
I do not. You don't? No. Nothing keeps you up at night?
I did just bring that on you, so sorry.
Just my own mental thoughts. Okay, give me one. No, those are personal. Give me one.

(06:41):
Maybe topic. Yeah, topic. Like generalized. Yeah.
You've got to give me time. Like is it work stuff? Oh, it's usually always work stuff.
That's the worst. It's always like that or anything that's like personal going
on in my life that's like freaking me out.
Like will brian's dick ever get bigger

(07:03):
or blacker just the
nuts exactly the second one right there just
the nuts and is that because they'll drag on the ground eventually
turn black and blue pretty much yeah it hurts it hurts well here's one for you
guys that keeps me up in an exhale i might give you two i'll give you one right

(07:23):
now the first one is is that someday could be 10 years 20 years, 100,
150 years from now, but in the near future, there will be that one person,
left alive, the last one to know you.
And when they pass, there'll be zero memory of you ever existing.

(07:44):
And it would be as though you have never existed on this earth.
That's crossed my mind before. Like eventually the people who talk about you
will run out. I avoid thinking about death.
I don't. it gets me too much anxiety and I have panic attacks oh for real oh
wow I have a second twist in my I will I will.

(08:07):
I don't want to say fantasize, because fantasize means there's a positivity behind it.
But I will try to, in my head, mimic what it would be like at the last moments
of my life before I close my eyes for good.
Oh, when I think about stuff like that, I freak out. I even wake up in the middle
of the night, panic attack, screaming. Oh, wow.

(08:29):
That's crazy. I'm sorry. Yeah. I try to avoid those topics.
That stuff will pop in my head just driving down the street.
Oh, when it starts, like...
Certain podcasts I'll listen to and they'll talk about stuff like that.
I would have to either skip the podcast or like put my mind somewhere else because
I start, I can feel the anxiety start building up. Yeah, no. It's not fun.
No, that stuff is always on my brain. You were actually with me the first time

(08:54):
I had a panic attack about that.
Was I? Remember we were at the restaurant, we were talking about the end of
the world. It was 2000. Oh my God. You were like four.
It was a 2012, right? Yeah. No, it wasn't 2012. That was.
Yeah. No, I was younger than that. It's the Mayan calendar. That was 2012.
I don't remember being, because it was Ruby Tuesdays, and it was Ruby Tuesdays there, 2012?

(09:17):
Yeah, it was still there. I don't remember it being that, whatever,
that was the first time I ever really thought about it, and that's when I first had my panic attack.
Oh, yeah, well, that sucks.
And it's gotten worse since. Is it because of me? Yeah, probably me,
because you're the one who brought it up.
Yeah. And you kept going with it. Yeah, I do. I do. I'm like a dog with a bone sometimes, you know?

(09:41):
Yeah, I was like, did you want to squeak in your second one?
Yeah, sure. So another one that, so yeah, we don't know what happens when we
die, but one that keeps me up is that when I do die, I go up to heaven,
and heaven, probably, maybe hell, who knows, but I get to meet God,

(10:02):
and we go through my life and you know he points out the goods and the bads places for improvement,
and at the end he goes well
he goes you know you lived a pretty good life he goes but I made you to be this
person over here this is the person I intended you to be and I wanted you to
be you became this person which isn't bad but it wasn't what I intended him

(10:28):
to be and he looks at me and goes what happened.
That is the question that keeps me up at night. Gosh, that's like God,
spiritual battalion mama guilt all like baked into one pretzel roll there. Pretty much.
Pretty much. Oh, my heart just sank when you said that because like now that's

(10:49):
going to keep me up at night tonight. Great. You're welcome.
You're welcome. Yeah. So.
Who was watching me? Yeah. Right. Right. Where was my guardian angel and why
was he on the spoke break at this time?
You know? So, yeah. Yeah, so those are the two big things.
And there's many more, which, you know, we're not going to bore you guys with anymore about that.
But yeah, so you're welcome if any of you listeners, you know,

(11:12):
stay up at night from those couple topics.
And also, we'd love to hear from you. Why don't you guys send us an email?
Frank at fringebeyondlimits.com. Brianna, two N's, at fringebeyondlimits.com.
Lynette. Two T's. Two Ts at FringeBeyondLimits.com. Let us know what keeps you guys up at night.

(11:33):
Yeah, might be an episode one day. And that's also Brianna with an E, not an I.
B-R-E-A-N-N-A.
Love to hear from you. Please send me something.
He's so lonely. You can just send him pictures, some memes. Yeah,
they don't even have to be graphic. You can just send me a picture of a sunset.

(11:55):
And I'll love it forever. ever. You can send him a picture of her finger and he will like it too.
A hangnail. That too. That's disgusting.
All right. All right. Hey, if you guys send me pictures of your feet,
I'll send you a picture of my feet where I have an amputated toe.
So let me know. Charge extra for that. Yeah. I should. Yeah.

(12:17):
Like 10% more. Yeah. Cause I'm missing 10%. Yeah.
All right. All right. So what is tonight? Tonight's episode, ladies.
So tonight i thought we would talk about the smiley face
murders of the smiley face killer hmm it's
you know when you say smiley face murderer killers
i think of the movie the frightener or

(12:40):
not the terrifier terrifier never heard of
it that's not what i thought you're gonna what would you think no i i don't
watch movies so even if you said it i wouldn't even know have you done a movie
recently no i feel like there was a tv show that one of those TV shows that
they have something different obviously going on a different crime that one
of them was kind of it's a similar yet same

(13:03):
they took the actual Smiley Face murder but they made it episode I can't think
of what it was it wasn't like it was a.
I don't know i can't think of it right now it's gonna bug me thank you
for adding on to the podcast i appreciate it you're welcome no the
terrifier you ever seen terrifier no oh it's like it's it's
a terrifying it's a b movie oh so it's not even
oh it's it's hilarious and they're

(13:25):
coming out with a third one like the first one was like just like
a b movie straight to like bhs
you know but then it got a
little bit of a cult following and it's now
they made a second one which was funny and awesome and
now i can't wait for the third one oh boy oh is that also
going to come out on vhs no i think that one's going to actually come out in

(13:46):
movie theaters it's got a bigger following now oh it's awesome oh
my oh it's so great so anyway smiley face
murderers right yeah all
right so yeah yeah go ahead it's kind of just a theory so we don't know well
yeah i know you kind of go into it but yeah it's borders on the edge of conspiracy
theory but there's also just Just a lot of reoccurring themes that happen that kind of make you go,

(14:15):
hmm, is this really just a conspiracy or is this a valuable, valid theory? Hmm.
Can't wait. Let's dive right in. So let's see. Over the past 20 years,
hundreds of college-aged men across the U.S.
Have died as a result of undermined or accidental drownings.
Undetermined. Oh, I can't read.

(14:36):
Undetermined or accidental drownings. While many believe their deaths are just
that, accidental, retired New York City detectives Kevin Gannon,
Michael Donovan, Anthony Duarte, and Professor of Criminal Justice Dr.
Lee Gilbertson are convinced that most of these drownings are homicides.
In the majority of the cases, the victims were young Caucasian men,

(14:57):
successful students, and athletes who had disappeared after a night out drinking
with friends, and they were ultimately found dead in a body of water.
At some of the sites where the victims' bodies were found, smiley face graffiti had been left behind.
The smiley face murder theory, also known as the smiley face murders,
smiley face killings, and smiley face gang, alleges that at least 45 young men

(15:21):
have been found dead in bodies of water across 11 Midwestern American states
and in 25 different cities between 1997 and 2024.
So let me tell you guys something. 1997 is when I graduated high school. Mm-hmm.
I was, I mean, you could guess I am of Caucasian descent and I was not a successful

(15:44):
student, but I was an athlete and I drank a lot with my friends.
I'm just happy I survived the Smiley Face murder. Yeah, I mean,
you're pretty darn close to that profile. I was so close.
I mean, how would they know if I was a successful student? Do you think they
got my GPA from like high school? I'm like, oh, this guy's stupid. Fuck him. Wow.

(16:05):
Maybe that's just a post-mortem tie that the detectives uncovered.
Okay. They would see your GPA and be like, no, not this guy. He's not related.
He's the frowny face murderer.
The response of law enforcement investigators and other experts have been largely skeptical.
Local police theorized the men simply got too drunk, fell into the water,

(16:28):
and drowned. but Gannon, Donovan, Duarte, and Gilbertson investigated their
deaths as the work of an organized group of serial killers dubbed the Smiley Face Killers.
The team believes the serial killers are highly sophisticated and communicate
with each other on the dark web.
How dark is the dark web? Have you guys ever been on it? Like I've seen,
you know. I've always been curious. I've heard different things about it but never been on it.

(16:52):
Okay, you? I mean, I played around on there and there's like,
I think the biggest thing is Your cookies, your cash, whatever,
isn't tracked, right? So that's the biggest draw to this.
You can search anything and it's not going to necessarily be tied back to you.
But no, I accidentally found myself on there untryingly.

(17:13):
This is actually really dark.
Yeah, it's here all about that. So, gosh, when was this?
Do you remember in the Middle East when there were, was it Al-Qaeda that was
like beheading a whole bunch of reporters and things like that?
I don't even know what I was Googling, but I guarantee you it wasn't to that level of grimness.

(17:34):
And I somehow stumbled across dozens of websites with real photographs of all
these individuals and people.
This party essentially celebrating and videos pictures pictures i like i'm i
can't even talk right now because it was quite traumatizing quite honest you

(17:55):
have that look yeah it was very disturbing and i think i shut it down really
quick but now i'm like where was that like like,
was that just a blip like i i don't know where it was or how i got there wow
it was it was pretty to bed. That's all right. Yeah.
That's crazy. Super dark. Yeah. The first alleged victim appears to go back as early as 1997.

(18:17):
That being the case of Patrick McNeil, a 21 year old Fordham college senior
whose body was found in the East river a month after he left a New York city bar.
The latest alleged victim, Riley strain, a college student at the university
of Missouri, who was visiting Nashville with his fraternity brothers and went
missing on March 8th, 2024. after getting kicked out of Luke Bryan's bar.

(18:40):
His body was found in the West Nashville Cumberland River on March 22, 2024.
The term smiley face became connected to the alleged murders when it was made
public that the police had discovered graffiti depicting a smiley face near
locations where they think the killer dumped the bodies in at least a dozen of the cases.

(19:01):
Gannon wrote a textbook case study of the subject titled Case Studies in Drowning Forensics.
More than a dozen of these cases have been outlined in Gannon and Gilbertson's
book, Case Studies in Drowning Forensics.
But there are six deaths in particular that stand out as potential smiley face murders.
So, in 20 years, right, how many people have died? Is it 45?

(19:26):
45, 47. So, 45 in, that's two a year, right?
Mm-hmm. And is that really enough to think of a syndicate of serial killers?
Well, I think what maybe this didn't include was that these investigators looked

(19:50):
at hundreds of people pass away and found in bodies of water across the country every year.
And I think based on those parameters, like you mentioned, like young white man,
usually athletic, usually drinking, and it's usually after he got kicked out
of a bar or separated from his friend group is when he was found deceased at

(20:14):
a later point in time. So I think...
It's hard when it's across multiple states, right? Like that's how many serial
killers have gotten away with being over state lines because jurisdictions just
don't talk to each other.
So I think they're trying to create some sort of movement or investigation or
involve the FBI by preparing a case to bring attention to it. But I don't know.

(20:36):
So one thing that I would actually be curious into looking at is are the smiley
faces graffiti that are found.
Are they the exact same or are they just a smiley face and it's different for each location?
Yeah. Based on some of the pictures on Google searching, they're not the same

(20:56):
smiley face, which made the theory kind of come about that this might be a network of individuals,
call it a gang, call it a group, whatever.
Or maybe it's just a mere coincidence. So you can Google some of the photos.
Could it be like a cult type thing where they're sacrificing?

(21:19):
I mean, if they have a specific type. If it's about two people a year,
too. Sure. They're doing similar things.
And I also wonder, is it around the same time each year?
Because if it is a cult and it's a sacrificial thing, you would think that the
quote-unquote holidays would fall around the same time of year or maybe same

(21:41):
full moon, like the seventh full moon of the year,
you know, whatever the parameters are.
What the day's, like, I can't think of the word.
My brain's hurting. Words are hard. Yes. Like as in a holiday?
Like what it symbolizes. That's what I was thinking about. Significance or something.

(22:02):
Yeah. And also...
What was I going to say? See, you having your brain fart blew that my way.
You're welcome. And now I have had one.
Well, like going back to your smiley face question. So, you know,
some detractors of this theory say, okay, well, these smiley faces aren't all the same.
But, you know, whether it be a network, there's another theory out there that

(22:26):
it could be different copycats, you know, just trying to put their own stamp marks.
Yeah. My question is, so basically they found these bodies in the water,
but what else is telling them that it's someone doing it?
Because they said they could be just them drunk and found the water.
How did they know? Was there anything physical that they're like, okay, someone did this?

(22:50):
Like you could tell when someone strangles somebody with like marks or whatever,
or that's what I want to know. And also, did they die of drowning or were they
murdered first and then thrown in the water?
Just because if they find water in the lungs, it's obviously a drowning.
But if not, then it wouldn't be. There was a case that I think was last year.
Guy up by us, they found in the water and they thought maybe it had to do with

(23:14):
the Smiley Face murders.
And they found out that he actually was actually drunk and fell into the water and drowned.
So, I mean, it could be like you said, how do they not know? how
do they know that like do we know they actually drowned did
they yeah was it forced right and my
question really about the is it the same smiley face is that if they're going

(23:36):
to use a logo like that they want to be exact and pay homage to whatever their
logo is because they're that special meaning behind it so with it being different
that would lead me to believe unless
they do that on purpose to hide their tracks even more, but still have their,
their symbol, their calling card.

(23:59):
Yeah. You know, that's interesting. So.
All right, well, yeah, we have a few cases to go over here, it looks like.
Let's go, case one, Dakota James.
Now, Dakota sounds like a girl's name.
It's both. Is it both? Is it unisex names? I always thought of it as emails.

(24:19):
Yeah, because I know you got Dakota Johnson, and then there's Dakota that's
on, oh, shoot, I forgot to name the show, and I love that show. Obviously, you don't.
Project Fear. Okay. Yeah. That's a guy? It's a guy. Yeah, okay.
All right, so Dakota James was 23 years old when he went missing in Pittsburgh,

(24:40):
Pennsylvania on January 25th, 2017, around 11.30 p.m.
James was walking back to his apartment after a night out drinking with friends and coworkers.
He never made it home. The last known sighting of the Duquesne University graduate
student was caught on a surveillance camera in the downtown area.
The footage captured James entering a dark alley, and that was the last time he was seen alive.

(25:05):
The following morning, James did not show up for work. His boss informed his
family, who filed a missing persons report 72 hours later.
James' parents later hired a private investigator who organized a massive citywide
search, which led to the discovery of James' body in the Ohio River on March
6, 2017, 40 days after he had disappeared.

(25:26):
The Pittsburgh police theorized James fell into to the river while crossing
a bridge near the city center and drowned.
They believed his body traveled for almost 10 miles and even went through a
dam before its discovery.
James' body, however, has almost no visible damage, which was highly suspicious
because it had traveled through a heavily trafficked river.
A smiley face was found spray-painted on an underpass near where James' body was discovered. So...

(25:54):
This is what I hate about missing persons.
Some law, not laws, but some states, some precincts have this 72 hour or 24
hour, you know, rule. You gotta wait more than a day.
It drives me crazy, especially when it comes to children.
Yeah, and they always say like the first 24 hours is the most.

(26:18):
Most important. Yeah. Yeah. And then yet, but they're like, but you can't report
until after. Right. So what's the point? Yeah. It drives me crazy.
And I'm sorry, no one knows an individual more than the family. Right.
And if you, if you know, a family says this is not like them,
I know it's only been six hours.
Let's start looking, even if it's, you know, a misunderstanding or whatever.

(26:39):
Sure. Who cares? File some paperwork. Exactly. Or they're going to be like,
oh, it's probably a runaway.
It's typical at the age. You don't live with this person day to day.
You wouldn't know. It drives me crazy.
But anyway, I digress. So it said that the body went through a dam.
Now, we have a couple dams near us, and we know how rough that water is,
how there's rocks, branches, sunken branches, and so forth.

(27:04):
That body, having very little visible damage, doesn't sit right with me because
he was found 40 days later.
So there's no water bloating or a body bloating from water, no decay. No animal damage.
I mean, yeah, no fishes nibbling at it, no.

(27:27):
Granted, it is winter, but still, I mean, there'd be levels of frostbite or
whatever, that sort of damage. Right.
It's not cold enough to preserve the body in the water because the water is not frozen, right?
I mean, and even so, if the body is frozen and it's hitting rocks and stuff,
wouldn't things break and scratch even easier? Exactly.
Yeah, so that's weird. and what's even weirder is that the smiley face was found

(27:52):
where they found the body not 10 miles where they think he fell in at.
That's weird. That is a weird one. I do agree.
Huh. All right. We're getting good now. So case number two, Tommy Booth.
Tommy Booth, 24, disappeared on January 19th, 2008 from a bar in Woodland, Pennsylvania.

(28:17):
That night, he had been celebrating a friend's 21st birthday with a group of friends.
Surveillance footage captured Booth entering the bar where the celebration took
place, but there's no video evidence of him leaving.
About two weeks after he went missing, Booth's body was found face down in a creek behind the bar.
His death was ruled a probable drowning, and there was no signs of trauma.

(28:40):
The area had been searched repeatedly in the weeks before his body was discovered,
but no one had seen Booth.
According to former detective Kevin Gannon and Dr. Lee Gilbertson,
when Booth was found, his body was in full rigor mortis, which normally dissipates
within 24 to 36 hours after death.
The finding is inconsistent with the belief that Booth drowned the night he disappeared.

(29:03):
Gannon and Gilbertson also noted the body appeared to have been staged.
Three sticks were strategically placed around the body, and there were shoe
and drag marks in the soil.
A smiley face painted on a wall of the bar under a deck.
Hmm. Did you know rigor mortis went away?
Yes. I didn't know it went away. I thought it was once it starts,

(29:25):
you're stiff as a board, whatever.
That's why I thought forever. No, that's also why during, whatchamacallit,
when the funeral director and all that can put clothes on you and disrobe you
and put you in a casket and put you in a position to be buried for eternally,

(29:48):
they can do that at ease because rigor mortis has gone away.
So it just stiffens the muscles for 36 hours?
Yeah, I think the initial shock
of the body and the enzyme and stuff that get released keep you hard.
Hard but well then okay so

(30:09):
if the body was staged but
it wasn't so they don't necessarily mean positioned they
just mean where he was essentially found the area had been disturbed in a way
that appeared to be staged correct right and and also he could have been positioned
a certain way as well because if he still if it was a fresh kill and rigor mortis hasn't set in yet then,

(30:36):
he could still be staged accordingly and then when he was found he was still in the.
Stage of rigor mortis that's crazy so
where was he for potentially for a week right half
a week right so we have to assume under
the evidence i mean and this is scientific evidence he was
in in rigor mortis that he had to have been abducted for

(30:56):
that week i want to know if they found any
like drugs or alcohol in their systems because with
this story and other story they supposed to basically say like there's
no physical well science damages
at least yeah 21st birthday yeah yeah
but also if it was a week later and he was freshly killed that alcohol would
have left the system i see what you're saying okay no and it's weird that these

(31:19):
so the smiley face was painted it on a wall of the bar under a deck why are
we looking under a deck at the bar.
Weird right maybe that's where he was for the last 48
hours or whatever it was prior to this he was face down
in a creek behind the bar so how far was the creek from

(31:40):
the deck of the bar yeah it's very interesting hmm yeah bizarre yeah i mean
you know we are coming up with even more questions which i'm sure the experts
have thought of as well because i'm dumb so i know people have have thought
about this way before me.
All right, so case number three, Lucas Homan.

(32:02):
On September 29th, 2006, 21-year-old Lucas Homan vanished from La Crosse, Wisconsin.
The day of his disappearance, Homan had been celebrating Oktoberfest with friends.
After a night of bar hopping, Homan headed home at around 10 p.m. with a friend.
Homan and his friend somehow got separated during their walk home,
and his friend ended up at the ER, detoxed with a head injury after being picked up by police.

(32:26):
He told investigators he could not remember anything that happened that night.
Homan did not arrive for a golf outing the next day. Search dogs scoured the
downtown area where Homan was last seen alive.
According to police reports, one dog later hit on an SUV owned by a local band
member who had played a show at the bar the night of Homan's disappearance.

(32:47):
But the canine alert was inconclusive.
Officers did not implicate the band member in Homan's death.
The morning of October 2nd, Homan's body was found not far from the shore of the Mississippi River.
His death was ruled an accidental drowning, and the autopsy report noted acute
alcohol intoxication was a major contributing factor.

(33:08):
According to Gannon, Gilbertson Homan had various injuries on his head, hands, and arms.
They theorized that a mark on his forehead may have been a footprint that was
a result of human being held down.
Homan was that result of Homan being held down.
No, that's a, whatchamacallit.

(33:28):
An error my bad homan was the eighth accidental
drowning case in lacrosse over a nine-year period a
smiley face was found spray painted near where homan's body
was found so have you guys been to
lacrosse wisconsin before i don't think so so if i remember correctly i think
it is on the shores of the mississippi river so it butts up yeah right so i'm

(33:51):
curious where they were walking in comparison to the Mississippi River?
Like, did he live near it?
Did he not? Did he live? Because, I mean, if you've lived there and you're walking
home, you know where you're going.
You're not going to go on a half-mile detour to the river.
So that's one question I have. Another question I have is his friend,

(34:14):
who doesn't remember anything, has similar injuries to Homan.
Woman so was he knocked out by someone and escape or not even escape he just
got knocked out maybe chloroform then hit over the head and the there was two
of them so the guy just took,

(34:35):
the other person instead because he can't he couldn't kill and have his way
with two people you know because he was found what like four days later or was
he drugged the other one yeah the one Maybe they were so drunk,
but sober enough to make it home, but why would you separate from your friend
and then end up in the ER needing a detox?

(34:56):
What if he was roofied or something like that?
Yeah, they could have both been roofied. Maybe they shared a drink. Maybe.
Interesting. What do you guys think is going on here so far?
I mean, we have a handful of more. Still on sacrificial cult, like.

(35:16):
Some type of cult activity. It just mind baffles me that every single time it's
like accidental drowning, but there's a smiley face found by the body.
It's just, my mind keeps thinking about a cult. Okay. Yeah, that is weird.
All right. Case number four, Todd Gebe.

(35:37):
Todd Gebe was 22 years old when he went missing during the early hours of June
12th, 2005 at a bonfire party in an orchard close to his home in Casnovia, Michigan.
He was reported missing later that day by his mother, and a massive manhunt ensued.
The night of his disappearance, Gebe made several calls from his cell phone.

(35:58):
One of them was to a friend who said she heard Gebe say, I'm in a field,
before the call dropped.
Gebe's body was found three weeks later in a lake that had previously been searched.
His death was ruled an undetermined drowning.
Oddly, Geeb's head and shoulders were sticking out of the water as if he had gone for a swim.

(36:21):
Geeb's remains also had very little signs of decomposition, which would have
been present if he had died the day he went missing.
22 days before the recovery of his body, alcohol and antidepressants were found
in Geeb's toxicology screen, but it was reported that Geeb was not suffering
from any form of depression at that time.
His smiley face had been spray painted on a tree near where Guy's body was found

(36:43):
and his smiley face sticker was later placed on his grave site.
Now that's fucked. That's wrong.
I feel like someone just did that just because the whole sticker on the grave site.
That's just crazy. But that kind of goes back to what both of you guys were talking about.
So you were saying that toxicology screening would go away. Right.

(37:05):
But it said 22 days before the recovery.
So they did some type of testing on him before all that happened.
No, no. So I read that wrong. wrong so little signs
of the computations which would have been
present if he had died the died the day he went missing 22 days before the recovery
of his body so he wasn't found 22 never mind he was found 22 days later being

(37:28):
missing yeah so it was it looked like it was the early part of july because
if he went missing the june 12th plus 22 we're looking at like july July 4th,
early July, July 3rd, July 4th.
And it says, then new sentence, alcohol and antidepressants were found in Geeb's toxicology screen.
So maybe the previous people were drugged. Right. And maybe these people were

(37:52):
drugged. Right. Kept alive, kidnapped, whatever.
I mean, yeah, I mean, there are antidepressants that just keep you comatose, right?
Especially if you don't need them. I mean, yeah, if you have no immunity or
tolerance to them, well, not just tolerance, but like, so antidepressants just
kind of fixes whatever imbalance is going on in your brain.

(38:13):
So if it's something to slow down the firing of neurons or, you know,
again, I'm not a doctor to a
normal functioning brain that would keep you sedated and comatose. Right.
You know, that is crazy. And what's crazier is he. He didn't show his,
like they said, his decomposition does not align with those 22 days.

(38:37):
And he was found in a lake. Like, I can understand falling off a bridge in a
river and drowning. Right.
But a lake, typically, you have to walk from shallow to deep,
right? You have to. Right.
Right. So even if you're drunk, you're not going to meander.
I don't know. Like, you're not going to, unless it was intentional.
But that just seems wild, too.

(38:58):
Yeah and it says he how was he found he
was found with his head and shoulders were sticking out so i have a standing
in the water either standing or i think of it like like a bopper you know yeah
position the body or put some weights down make it right yeah like a flotation
device like around his ankles and hips to keep him upright shoulders out of

(39:19):
the water right that's so weird,
and i'm curious i'm curious how like you should be able to tell i thought by,
reports and testing how long the tissue's been dead for no yeah so.
I'm curious if they ran those. But I thought like a body in water sometimes messes up to... It can.

(39:47):
Yeah. It can, but I don't think it's gonna... So I don't think they trust it.
So they probably use it, but they don't probably trust the results.
But I don't think it's gonna skew it to where it shows he died yesterday when it's three weeks later.
You know, I mean, it may mess up the cause of death,
maybe, be but the timeline of

(40:09):
death should stay if anything i think water would
speed up that time so if you're in the water for
10 days it may show as though you died 20 days ago right and you got to remember
this is june july so it's hot yes you got the humidity well also it's in michigan
i don't know casnovia how far up north michigan is but it could also be cool
Cool enough in June to where, you know,

(40:32):
it wasn't too hot and humid.
And then there's bugs. I mean, there's bugs. It's water, right? Bugs are drawn to water.
So, Casanova is just north of Grand Rapids, just east of Muskegon.
So, it's like somewhere around there. Central Michigan?
West Central? Not really. Well, as far as north-south, yes. But it's close to Lake Michigan.

(40:56):
Yeah. In the terms of the size of the state. It's closer to Lake Michigan than anything. Gotcha.
That's so strange. And I looked up the closest lake and it just...
It just looks like a docile little camping, kayaking little lake. So, I don't know.
I mean, what's really weird is that there was a smiley face painted in a tree
in the forest and a sticker placed on his grave.

(41:18):
Yeah. You know, like that. Tree in the forest is weird. Tree, yeah.
Weird. Sticker on the grave site, I think. I don't carve into trees,
but I know like. You don't whittle?
I don't whittle. I like trees. But I'm sure like trying to do a circle or,
you know, like any type of round shape of carving. On the gray tree?
On the gray tree. Brown. Thank you. That's fine.
As soon as you like look at the next tree you're gonna be like oh damn they're gray.

(41:41):
I have like three of them. But like when you see people like carving initials
in trees and stuff like them trying to do rounded shapes with a pocket knife
or a pencil. But was it painted?
Oh did it say painted or carved? It's spray painted. Spray painted.
Oh. Which is even weirder because you have to bring spray paint with you.
Yeah so that was intentional. Yeah. Right. Okay I missed the spray paint part.
It's okay. You weren't listening. just thinking about great

(42:03):
trees just thinking about the tree poor trees like all those
toxins well now the tree has a tattoo yeah tramp stamp
tree that just makes it more appealing to the other trees you know there's hoe
trees all right so in that case number five william hurley a navy veteran 24
year old william hurley went missing after leaving a bruins hockey game in boston in Massachusetts.

(42:29):
On October 8th, 2009, Hurley went to the game with two friends.
Halfway through the game, Hurley called his fiancee, Clara Mahoney,
and said he wanted to leave.
Hurley walked outside while Mahoney drove to the stadium to pick him up.
When she arrived, he was nowhere in sight.

(42:51):
When Mahoney called Hurley to find out where he was waiting,
Mahoney said he answered She
answered the phone, and she heard him ask someone where he was located.
The man said 99 Nashua Street, and Hurley said his cell phone battery was going dead.
Mahoney drove to the address, but Hurley was not there. She called him a second
time, but his cell phone seemed to be out of battery.

(43:12):
Mahoney said she drove around for an hour before returning home,
thinking Hurley got another ride.
And then when she got back, Hurley was still gone.
She then reported Hurley missing, and various searches were conducted.
Six days after his disappearance, Hurley's body was found in the Charles River,
close to where he asked Mahoney to pick him up.
Investigators said there was no sign of foul play and his death was ruled an

(43:35):
undetermined drowning.
Hurley's mother received a
copy of the autopsy report and allowed a physician to analyze the report.
She found that her son had reportedly suffered blunt force trauma to the head,
his eye socket, and behind his left leg.
GHB was also found in the system along with alcohol. Hall. A smiley face was
found painted near the river.

(43:58):
GHB, isn't that the roofie drug?
Amahydroxybutyrate. I had to Google it because I was like, what?
Okay, so it's not that. An illegal drug. It's a party drug.
It's a party drug. Euphoria, relaxation, and sociability is what it's supposed to produce.
So trauma to the head, his eye socket, and behind his left leg.

(44:21):
So it sounds like somebody hit him in the back of the leg to knock him unstable
and then just beat him over the head from how I understand it.
Well when i googled 99 nashua street it's
like under an overpass like it's
it's not a building really it's no
parking lot under so i'm with a median like you've been to downtown chicago

(44:44):
and you're like walking under the the l or whatever the heck the thing's called
that's what the street kind of looks like so was it like by a car like lower
wacker drive yeah that's right yeah well Well, no, I don't even think that.
I think that whoever did it, I mean, that's definitely sounds like he was beaten
and then thrown into the river.

(45:07):
But it sounds like he was, he walked somewhere by where he was supposed to be
picked up at and was confused because he was given this drug.
And when he asked the person who probably killed him where he was,
the guy gave him the address to throw off the scent, right?

(45:31):
So if I got you like two- Or a breadcrumb, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it's a game.
I mean, I've seen Saw, I've seen that.
You did another movie? I thought at the beginning you said you didn't do a movie.
Well, not recently, I saw it years ago. But yeah, the little breadcrumb,
like make you do it kind of thing.
I don't know. This is so fucking strange So.

(45:55):
So we also have drugs involved in this one. Yes, drugs involved.
I think someone gave him this address to throw off the fiance.
So no one would be looking for him in that area, which means that this person
now has free game to do whatever he wants there.
I'm curious why they hid from the mom that there was actually physical damage to the body.

(46:19):
Well, I bet they just assumed it was physical damage of him somehow falling into the river.
But that's very specific the back of the left leg his eye socket his head i
don't know that's just strange again i'm not a doctor you know i've i've stayed
at a holiday and express before,
but you know sorry i was just laughing okay i didn't think it was that funny

(46:44):
but but thank you I appreciate it.
All right. So next case number six, Brian Weltson. And in parentheses, it says close to home.
Yeah. The story is just close to where we live.
Yeah. So on January 1st, 2000, Northern Illinois University junior Brian Weltson
went missing from Chicago, Illinois after a night of celebrating Y2K with his friends.

(47:10):
The 21-year-old finance student rarely partied since he was dedicated to the
university soccer team, but he decided to have a few drinks for the new year.
Wilson's friends said he had only three to four drinks, but by the end of the
night, he seemed very intoxicated.
Oh, so it sounds like drugs to me.

(47:30):
Possibly. Well, if you don't have a tolerance, he says he rarely partied.
So two drinks might make... I know people who don't drink, and one drink makes
them tipsy. We don't know how big this person was. It could be a small guy.
He's a soccer player, so he's... He's in shape. Gotta be in shape,
yeah. So his body can filter through it. He's still gonna be short.
Know i don't know so welton told his friends he wanted to

(47:51):
call it a night and go back to the hotel where they were staying one of
welton's friends nick young stayed behind during stayed
behind during the drive welton started throwing up his friend told him to get
out of the car while he parked various witnesses outside the hotel saw welton
vomiting in the street his friends went up to their room and never saw welton
again when young came back to the hotel around 4 a.m and and realized Welton

(48:15):
was not in the room. He searched the area outside the hotel.
He could not find Welton and reported him missing around 1 p.m.
So his friends just left him?
It sounds like it. Those are some really crappy friends.
Puking and we're just gonna go upstairs? They're so caring. We're just gonna
go get some pizza? Good luck, bud.
So I will tell you that. Guys are stupid. I know where you're going with this.

(48:36):
Guys are stupid. I mean, guys are, we always,
being a 20-year-old male, you have
a sense of indestructibility and
nothing's gonna happen to you so but that
applies to people around you like you don't worry that your bud's gonna yeah
100 the male brain oh we're fucked up yeah let's so do you remember when i got

(49:02):
rear-ended when i worked at i mean i get Which time? I know, I mean, what's his name?
So I was, this is when I had, remember my yellow Chevy hatchback?
Oh, yeah. That little piece of crap.
So I was sitting, it was the day before Thanksgiving. I was sitting at a stoplight.
And there was a, I think it was Hummer coming, coming, driving behind me. You love those Hummers.

(49:32):
Hummers and coming. Okay. Where does this story go? Yeah, he loves his Hummers. Dude, I'm, mm-hmm.
So I'm sitting there and I'm at a stoplight and I look in my rearview mirror
and I see the car coming and I'm like, oh, all right.
And I, this is just my habit. I'm always looking in the rearview mirror.
So I look again and it's getting closer and it's not slowing down.
I look again, it's even closer and I'm like, it's not going to stop.

(49:52):
I watched through impact, never tightened up once. I did not have any.
Because you're used to getting rear-ended? Because it's my favorite.
You got to keep it loose. It's easier for him to enter.
Like noodle, yeah. Yeah, it's easier for him to enter if you're loose.
If you tighten up, it's going to hurt both of you more.
Loosey-goosey. So I watched. So you got plowed by a hummer. I got plowed by a hummer.

(50:18):
And I didn't stiffen up, which means I didn't have any injuries.
I didn't get whiplash i think because my body was how did you make yourself go,
you just played the game limp like the spaghetti noodle
like everybody baby do you ever play that game as a kid no noodle or like no
parents would drive really fast and like take current turns really fast and
you would just nope my parents love me no yeah okay i'll save my parenting stories

(50:43):
for another day that's fine so how did you do that though so again the
back of my brain, that my stupid part of my brain really thinks I'm indestructible
sometimes. So I literally watch through impact.
Insane i'm stupid yes i so we but i kept you alive i mean i wouldn't have died
but like it hit me i mean it totaled you remember you remember seeing my uh

(51:06):
it wasn't a big vehicle no it was not i don't remember that oh yeah so i pulled
off into the fox valley parking lot we called the cops,
and it felt bad even though i'm the one that got hit the lady that hit me she
was looking for her phone first thing she says i'm so sorry i was looking for
my phone and i'm like oh don't say
that to the cop and of course she says i have you on recording ma'am

(51:26):
well no i wasn't going to make a big deal she's already at fault she redunded
me you know i'm not going to make it a bigger deal and she's like that's polite
i was like i can't believe how nice you're being i'm like it happens you know
i'm like you didn't do it on purpose but or did she but the cop the cop's like
are you okay i'm like yeah i'm fine he goes he goes your car is pretty smashed
i'm like i'm like yeah i'm okay.

(51:46):
And it was she was on her way to work she was a
nurse a nick you nurse on her way to work in the the morning so i'm
like oh shit but you know i was fine you
know but yeah just to give you an insight into the male brain
we're fucking stupid ridiculous yeah that's common
sense though so after extensive searches wilson body
was found 77 days later on march 17th it had been washed ashore in the beach

(52:09):
in gary indiana 30 miles south of chicago police said there were no signs of
foul play and his death was ruled an undetermined drowning investigators believed
he could have walked to the edge of Lake Michigan,
a five-minute walk from the hotel, and fallen in.
His blood alcohol concentration was only 0.08%. Police have said if a smiley

(52:31):
face was present in... Oh, they have not said.
They have not said that a smiley face was present near the death site.
Again. But 77 days later, still has blood in his system. In water. Yeah.
I don't... That's why these cases have... That's so fucking...
You know, raise the eyebrows of these investigators are like,
we can't explain these. So are they related?

(52:55):
It's very interesting. This is so strange.
I bet you it's... So what about this?
What if it's not like a gang or a group or a cult or whatever word? What if it is one person?
What if it's like someone who just travels for work and gets that need that

(53:20):
he needs to kill? You say he, though.
Yeah. Do you think it's a he? Yes.
I'm just curious. Sexist. Not at all. If you just look at the stats,
99% of the time it is a white male.
And for a white male, even for a drugged...

(53:42):
And drunk or an inebriated person for you to overcome a 24-year-old Navy vet.
I mean, this person has considerable amounts of training.
But what if a girl was hitting on the gentleman, or a guy, hitting on the gentleman,
I guess, opposing the bar, but roofied them up?

(54:03):
What if she's like 5'8", or I don't know what to say, 5'10",
250 pounds, and she lifts like 500 pounds? Listen, 100%.
And we're going to have someone on the show who squats 350 pounds,
you know, who is of female descent.
It's actually 700. Aren't we all of female descent? Yes, I know.

(54:25):
I was waiting for someone to call me out on that. 700 something.
That was, that was, was that squat or was that like? That was squat.
Okay. Yeah, she said her PR was 800 something.
Okay. Well, again, you're just proving my point even more.
That it could be a woman. Yeah. It can be, but statistics show that it probably isn't.

(54:48):
But sometimes statistics doesn't always go, because with the DC sniper.
I'm going to have to ask her where she was in all these dates now.
Yeah, yeah. The DC sniper, they went through statistics and they thought it
was a white person and it wasn't. Right.
Agreed. I'm not saying it's right. It's not always right. Again,
I'm not saying it's right 100% of the time.
I'm just going based on the statistics. And it also could be a woman that watch

(55:12):
a lot of crime shows. Dun, dun, dun.
I think you guys are giving women- Either way, somebody's got a type.
Way too much Neanderthal genes, no.
Women are way more sophisticated and they're better people than men.
100% hands down. Let's just see if that's in my 23andMe.

(55:32):
Listen, I'm going to go on a limb here and say that women are the better of the two sexes.
Yeah, you say that multiple times. I say that all the time, yes.
So I'm going to go on a limb and say that no, it's a guy, because we're all
fucking just apes. Pretty much. Okay, good.
So here's the last part we got. Now remember Riley Strain, that college student

(55:56):
from the University of Missouri who was visiting Nashville with his fraternity brothers.
Well, in a Metro Nashville Police Department press release, Police Chief John
Drake reported to several news crews that they received a call advising them
that a body was discovered around 7.28 a.m.
On March 22, 2024, when a worker at HOLCIM, what's that?

(56:22):
Acronym companies. Yeah, okay. Removed an object from the Cumberland River on
their property, after which the body surfaced.
The location, about eight miles away from downtown Nashville area where Strain was last seen.
On CCTV, stumbling through the streets of Nashville.
While no official reports have indicated a smiley face was found in connection

(56:43):
with or in approximation to where his body was found.
In a rather odd and eyebrow-raising twist, during the filming of this press
release, one can see a slender, narrow-faced woman in a red hockey jersey and
sunglasses slowly creep her way into frame.
At first, she appears to just want to hear what Chief Drake has to say when

(57:05):
he is expressing his condolences to the family by inching her way into the camera's frame.
But then as you continue to watch her she gets
this peculiar smirk on her face picks up her
phone and appears to text someone real quick before she lifts up her phone to
record the final minutes of this press release and as if this all just sounds

(57:26):
like someone wanting to get their five seconds of frame what was that i see
hmm this woman's phone case covered
in an eye-catching black and yellow pattern of psychedelic smiley faces.
See, it could be a woman. Dun, dun, dun!
So, I just blew out people's ears. Yeah, you hurt my ears. Good.

(57:48):
The audio cleanup might have even just cleaned that up for you because that
was really loud. Maybe, maybe the audio cleanup will clean that up.
So, I still don't think it's a woman, even with that little piece,
but we should find that piece and put it on our website for people to see.
Oh, the CC or the video of the youth chief.
Yeah, I found the link. Did you? That was interesting. Yeah,

(58:10):
that was very interesting. We need to pull that and put it on our.
Her website yep so all right
so some final thoughts here guys what do you
guys think i'll start with brianna my mind
is still going towards a cult or at least a group of people i don't think it's
this one person i think it's multiple whether it's a gang or it's a cult but

(58:33):
i'm just what i'm going for do you think it's people that live in different
areas or do you Do you think it's a group of people that travel together to do these?
Yes and no. The reason why I say that is I think some of them is people living
in different areas, but I think a couple of them going from place to place as
well. So I think it's a mixture.

(58:53):
You know, the last time a woman made a decision on where she wants to eat, she damned the world.
This is why you can't make a decision. Just pick one avenue or the other.
No, I don't have to pick one. You do.
No, I don't. Because I'm asking for your one theory.
Well, suck it up. You get both.
If you would like her to choose one avenue or another, please send us emails

(59:17):
to our websites mentioned at the beginning of the episode. Thank you.
Lynette, what do you think?
So, okay, so maybe this borders on the line of like a cult, but not necessarily like an organization.
I'm thinking, what if it's some sort of website chat group or some sort of one

(59:37):
of those like dark web type of teams like people just...
You know what i'm talking about you're like giving me this plank stare and nobody
knows what you're talking about
right now i'm confused all right picture a whole bunch of people they,
log on to their own individual computers into our chat rooms a thing it's a

(59:58):
thing okay i'm gonna say people log into their chat rooms and on the dark web
and they talk about like how to get away with murder and how to do it and blah
blah blah okay and then individuals take their own individual,
they find their own victim and
they pursue them and then they post about it okay so it's
not really a cult but it's kind of like a group of creepos okay

(01:00:21):
a club a club yeah but there is another theory out there i don't know if i agree
with it but i'll toss it out to you so some people have tossed out the idea
that this is organized crime carried out by the local police departments in
the area, or each respective area.
So the police department, who have been bought and paid for by an organized

(01:00:47):
syndicate, is having them murder these people.
As a way of initiation is the idea that's being tossed around.
Some sort of police brotherhood initiation for something.
Thing so basically this organized crime
group syndicate right is wants to have police officers in their pocket and the

(01:01:15):
one way to do so is to have them do these murders the syndicate has the evidence
that the police officers so they can never go back on their word because they now have
evidence to a murder they performed.
So they own them. Right. But just by being a police officer and working with

(01:01:35):
an organized crime syndicate, you're already guilty.
You don't need any more evidence to put them away. It's that personal jail that you get in when you...
I see it i see the logic there i just i don't think i buy that i still think this is literally,
i'll save up to maybe three people the

(01:01:55):
same two three people just in
a volkswagen bug touring the country like
ted bundy is that what you're getting yeah yeah yeah i would i
would actually say it's more like in a grateful dead
vw or whatever they
call it yeah because just because of the smiley face they're all like on
mushrooms and acid and

(01:02:17):
they trip out and murder people crazy yeah
and then afterwards they go back to the
van and just blow each other maybe but then like if they're all high on some
sort of psychedelic how do they know to pick the exact same type of person or
maybe have police not connected this situation with other victims who who might

(01:02:39):
not be of Caucasian athletic high school age descent.
I mean, maybe, I mean, it's really weird. I will say it is really, really weird.
The fact that these smiley faces are found in obscure areas,
because it's not like from the ones that they did find smiley faces at,
it's not like they were in out in the open.

(01:03:01):
It feels like it's like in a spot where you have to stumble upon it to find
it, you know, under the deck in a tree, And then you put a sticker on the grave.
But I think the tricky part is, is it's where the body is found.
Like if you throw somebody in a river, you don't know necessarily where they're
going to be found, how far down the river or not.

(01:03:21):
Right. So where they go missing to where they're found, it's always,
I shouldn't say always, but you're seeing them where they're found,
not where they went missing.
Right, right, right. That's what I'm saying. So it's staged.
It's a place that, right. but I still think it's just two or three people and
maybe that weird, was it a redheaded woman?

(01:03:43):
Yeah, on the gentleman who passed away just earlier this year.
Yeah. Yeah, with the psychedelic phone case. Yeah.
Yeah, so I mean, like, maybe she's one of the three, you know?
Maybe. Maybe it's a throuple.
Hmm. You know, I don't know. It's really, really weird.
Wow. All right. Any last comments? Any thoughts?

(01:04:05):
To our young male listeners out there, do not go get drunk at a bar and then
separate with your friends thinking you're indestructible, indivisible,
and you can make... Oh, indivisible.
Keep with the buddy system. You meant what I knew.
Buddy system at all times. Stay away from Otter. Okay.
That was my public service announcement. PSA from Lynette.

(01:04:28):
I love it. I would say just stay in groups, you know? Buddy system. Yeah.
And just don't go by yourself.
Stay indoors. Stay at home. Stay at home. Isn't that what Gen Z does these days?
I think so. Yeah, I think so.
I think even I go out more often than them. I go out more often than them. Aren't you a Gen Z?

(01:04:52):
No. What are you? I'm a millennial. Are you? Yeah. What are you?
Millennial. You're a millennial too? Yeah.
I thought you guys were, one of you was Gen Z. Nope, Gen Z is younger than us.
Well, I represent the greatest generation out there. The forgotten ones.
Yep. The latchkey kids. Yep. the play

(01:05:13):
with knives and the x-men be home the generation
don't care when you come home yeah yeah basically we
raised ourselves you know we are a little
child yeah we are feral so well
everyone thank you for sticking around um this definitely was interesting let
us know what you think yeah shoot us an email get on our socials still waiting

(01:05:35):
for that first review on apple yeah just stay in touch he's talking to you dave
dave you can also give us a review on facebook.
Dave matthews loves you okay now you're just getting creepy all right well thank

(01:05:55):
you for listening this was fringe beyond limits.
Music.