Unveiling the Unseen: Conversations with Jessiy on Paranormal Experiences

Welcome to another captivating episode of Fringe Beyond Limits! In this episode, we have a special guest, Jessiy Hawthorne!   Jessiy is joining us to delve deep into the realms of the paranormal and supernatural. In today's episode she shares her intriguing journey of encountering shadow figures, poltergeist activity, and physical ghost interactions from a young age.   We kick off the episode with our segment "What Keeps You Up at Night," where the hosts and Jessiy share their thoughts and experiences that make them ponder and question the unknown. From existential fears to lucid dreaming of unfamiliar languages, this segment sets the tone for a fascinating discussion. Jessiy recounts her early encounters with the unexplained, growing up on a property with a rich history, including an old schoolhouse on an Indian burial ground. She explains how these experiences shaped her interest in the supernatural and led her to explore various aspects of the unknown.   We explore the connection between supernatural phenomena and extraterrestrial experiences, discussing the possibility of different beings coexisting in various planes that we cannot see. Jessiy also shares her insights on the importance of grounding and protection, especially for those who delve into the paranormal.   As the conversation unfolds, Jessiy reveals her journey into Reiki healing, how it transformed her life, and the unique experiences she's had while practicing Reiki. She also touches upon the idea of CE5 and her encounters with extraterrestrial beings, providing a fresh perspective on the interconnectedness of the universe.   Tune in to this episode for a riveting exploration of the unseen, as Jessiy and the hosts of Fringe Beyond Limits take you on a journey beyond the ordinary.

Episode Transcript

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Music.

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Welcome to another episode of Fringe Beyond Limits. Hi, guys.
Hi. Hi.
Wow, you guys are off today.
We're off. I'm always off, so I don't have... I'm par for the course.

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So, we have a special guest tonight. Did you guys know this? We sure do. We sure do.
Yeah. All right. Her name is Jessie.
Jessie, say hi to our tens of listeners.
Hi, how's it going?
Well, glad to have you here. Yeah. I'm happy to be here. Hopefully Frank doesn't run you off.

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If I haven't run you two off yet, I doubt I'll run her off. She's much braver than you guys.
I usually question myself right before doing this. Like, do I really want to?
Do I want to deal with him? But then I suck it up.
Do I have the capacity to deal with Frank today?

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The answer is always no. No one has the capacity.
But they still come back for more.
Unfortunately. Yes. So, Jessie, welcome.
We usually start the episode off with something that we like to call what keeps you up at night.

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I'll have one of my other two hosts start off so you get an idea.
I know I'm springing this on you, but it's more fun that way.
So, Bree, Lynette, which one of you two want to go first? I can go. All right.

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So, what is the youngest age at which a person can die of old age?
Thinker. Because if you're curious, like, what's considered old age?
I guess it depends if you ask a 20, like a 5-year-old, a 20-year-old.
A 50-year-old. So. I would say 85.

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So, I'm going to. That's what I think. Yeah. I think it has.
Like 75, 80. 80 now i think it has to
do more with the modality of
death so it's it's how someone
passes so have you
guys done that movie called jack by robin williams
where he has that disease that ages

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him like four or five times faster than normal
so when he's 20 he has a body of an
80 year old oh yeah i have seen it yeah
okay so technically he's 20 years old
but when he finally passes it's of old age so i think it's not an age thing
it's more of how your body and your modality of death interesting well the median

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age is changing and everything nowadays too it used to
be i think like 85 and then
it was 75 and now it's like 72 it's
like the median age that someone's gonna die at and it's that's messed up yeah
right yeah and and i'm at that age at any day now for me any day you said it

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for the last like decade yeah and i'll keep saying it for four more decades.
Until it finally happens.
I'll eventually... Nothing deceives evil ever does.
Yeah, well, that's true. I'll keep on going and, you know, but nothing deceives evil really does.

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You're special i am uh
lynette would you like to go next i feel like my last few ones because these
obviously always happen right before i'm falling abed but falling asleep in
bed so it's you know that lucid dreaming type of time and just this past week

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as i was falling asleep i was
engaging in a conversation or overhearing a conversation in my dream in my head,
but it wasn't English.
It also wasn't a spoken language that I'm familiar with, but it definitely had rhythm.

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It had enunciation and elements to it, and I have no idea what was talked about.
But there was some weird gibberish language just going back and forth between two
things in my head so i don't know i'm crazy
that's all right so so gibberish
keeps you up at night the fact that

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there there was a distinct conversation that i was lucid
dreaming about i don't sleep with the tv on i don't have a radio going
or anything like that so i don't know it was wild i
wish i could have recorded it because it sounded
like a language it sounded like a conversation but it wasn't maybe
like aliens getting in your head can you

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mimic can you mimic what you heard usually i
can mimic i don't know
if i try now because i was even sitting here i was like can i try and
do yeah give it a shot let's see let's
see what comes out this is gonna be a hot mess frank's
a hot mess every day right i i can't

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i can't i'm just gonna start laughing thing next time
I'll take dictation and I'll I'll phonetically write
it down of what I hear so is it audible hearing
or like in your head hearing it's you know that that's a good question because
I sometimes struggle with trying to understand if I'm actually experiencing

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any clairaudience or if it's more of a sentience type of thing so I'm not 100%
sure it's it was very It was very vivid.
Though, and it was articulate. And it was two different tones of voices.
It was like an elderly male type of sound and a younger male type of sound.
But that's all I can really describe. I don't know how to make up the words

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that I heard, but it was wild. Interesting.
Can you make, like, two sounds of what it sounds like?
Like, or be dee foo fa ha, be soo sa ha, la hee ha.
I'm betting money it's light language. I speak light language sometimes when
I'm doing Reiki energy healing.

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Like, as I'm sure you guys know, Chris Fleming's going through a lot of health stuff.
And when i first started sending
him reiki because i have a picture that of him autographed by
him and everything i'm like oh it's perfect so i
was sending him reiki and it just started coming out like the light language

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and it's it's of it's literally of like no known dialect it's like every dialect
together pretty much it's really interesting and there's different tones and
stuff And I wasn't even thinking about it.
It was just boop, just started coming out of me when I was giving him Reiki.
So I'm like, oh, that's like only the second or third time that's ever happened to me.

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I'm going to have to look into that. I did not know that was a thing.
But yeah, it definitely, it had a pattern to it. It had a flow.
And oh, well, that's cool.
See, I'm happy. light language is like the universal language
of love kind of from
what i've understood i have a friend who is like he does arcturian like healing

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and different stuff so i've heard him say it and i've heard one other person
like in person say it and it sounds very similar but just a tad different.
So it has to do with more of an intention of what you're feeling and trying to get across.

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Then like when we were speaking words, it's like sounds. Yes.
Kind of make words, if that makes any sense.
So could that be that someone sent me some, it could be, Or could I be asking
and receiving some sort of response of something?

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Or it could be two or more beings in the room that are having a conversation
and you're picking up on it.
It's like the universal language. Like, you know, over here in America,
we have English and over in Italy, they have Italian.
But universal language is a little bit different. So it's like everything like

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understands light language.
Love it. Yeah. You know, you can have those dreams where at least for me,
I feel like I get a lot of stuff through my dreams.
But, you know, no mouths are moving, but there are conversations being had.
There's feelings being felt.
And I don't know that that makes a lot of sense to me.

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I'm happy I pressed you on that. We just learned about light language.
I'm an encyclopedia of weird ass knowledge, so sorry. You should get that tattooed
somewhere. Absolutely love it.
All right. Well, Lynette, I still think you're weird, but that's okay.
No problem. Yeah. That's why I'm here. Yeah.

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How about you? yeah so what keeps me up at night is actually more of a illogical
fear of mine and that is that,
i'm actually special needs and i don't know it and that's why everybody's nice to me,
that's what keeps me up at night not expecting that yeah frank found us out

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i've heard this So many times from him. Yeah, it's an illogical fear.
Like my wife is a speech pathologist and she works with a lot of special needs children.
And that also would fit the bill as why she married me. You know,
just trying to help even more the community.
And yeah, because in all honesty, there's no reason why anybody should be ever nice to me.

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So the fact that men, oh, because I'm an idiot and a jerk and sometimes a douchebag, you know.
So I mean, like, you know, I'm everything everybody doesn't want to be.
So I, so yeah, for anybody to be nice to me, it's either community service or
I am special needs and don't realize it. And you have to be nice to me.

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Community service. Oh, that's funny. So, yeah. You know how many hours I get
to log at work for volunteering?
This is true. To help you out. Yeah. I started a non-profit. You started a podcast.
A non-profit to make Frank feel better. Yeah.
So, that's what keeps me up. Jesse, I usually am the one that goes last,

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but since you're our guest, I gave that honor to you.
So what keeps you up at night well i'm
trying to think there are times where i wonder
how many different beings are actually in
my room watching me try to sleep like

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if my dad is there or if there's
extraterrestrial beings or fairies or ultra
interdimensional who knows there's a lot of
stuff we don't know about so it's like what if anyone's in here watching me
right now like that would be awkward or ghost or something yeah well i'm definitely

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not gonna be able to sleep tonight thank you well in a past episode something
that kept me up at night was.
You know how we only see one percent of the light spectrum and what we do see
is literally just a light reflecting off of it.
One of the things is was what...

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Aren't we seeing that's actually there? So that kind of falls in line with that.
And see, Jesse and I are twinsies for everyone who doesn't know.
We are, I'm pretty sure we're not biological twins since you are way better looking than I am.
But I think spiritually we are twinsies. Definitely.

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So let me do this. Let me just introduce you here, Jesse.
So for everyone out there that's listening, all of our tens of listeners,
Jesse is an intriguing figure in the paranormal and supernatural community known
for her personal experiences with unexplained phenomenon.
She growing up in Illinois, Jesse encountered shadow figures with glowing red

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eyes, poltergeist activity, and even physical ghost interactions from a young age.
Age these experiences deeply influence her
lifelong passion for investigating the unknown which she
shares through her podcast do you
want to plug that real quick jesse uh yeah so
i'm host on a podcast called late night legends

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it's usually monday well it's
uh mondays at 9 p.m central time we
are live and then also it will
be put like up after it's edited a
week later on like youtube and then it's on spotify and
i think there's like i heart radio and other
places where it's at people watch us on twitch too from

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what i understand i don't have a twitch no no yeah and
then so yeah so that's basically your little intro bio jess one cool thing that
we learned about you is that like you said earlier you are an encyclopedia of
paranormal experience from a You called me a Rolodex.

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A Rolodex. I did call you a Rolodex. That's right.
So, and this goes all the way back to you being very, very, very young.
So what was your first paranormal experience that you can remember having?
First thing was just I have feelings like the yard that I grew up in.

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I never wanted to be outside at like dusk or at nighttime.
And I would definitely never go outside at dark by myself.
But then after being more open and accepting of things that I went through growing up,
i started having memories come back to me

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that i think i blocked out because of like trauma i
remember seeing like a little gray i
guess you could say et in the back
of one of our yards because we had five acres of woods
and there was like a creek and i heard
like rustling around in bushes i think
i was like five and i looked over and saw

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the top part of the head of it
looked like a gray but its skin was a
greenish gray it wasn't just gray gray and
i could see the tops of its eyes and it moved like one way and
then it moved the other way and i just remember feeling this
like gut-wrenching fear and then i don't remember anything i think i ran back

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to the house but i'm not 100 on that i might end up getting regressed one day
because i'm curious but i I also kind of don't want to know what happened after that.
So that's like the first memory of my youngest, I guess the youngest memory,

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I guess you could say that I have. How old were you?
Probably five, maybe six. I know I was pretty young.
My dad died when I was 10. So I know it was...
Like right when they adopted my brother. So I'm adopted and so is my brother.
We're not blood related. Okay.

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They got him when I was four.
So that's why I think I know, I think I was like five-ish, maybe six,
because he was a baby baby at the time when that happened. Okay.
So where did you grow up? It was on a farm type place, right?
It was a technically it was

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an old schoolhouse on an indian burial ground
in a small town called grant park illinois which no not chicago grant park everybody's
like oh the city no more down towards like the kankakee area like in that way
yeah and it was the original like the old school schoolhouses were one room pretty much.

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And that one room was our living room.
And I think the hallway and maybe one of the bedrooms and the rest was like
built on, I don't know what year,
but when my parents bought the house, it had the kitchen, three bedrooms and
one bathroom, and then the living room.

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So it was an old schoolhouse that got built onto on an Indian in Burial Ground,
which I didn't know that until later on in life when I researched the area.
Like I had feelings and kind of had an idea.
And then when I researched the area, it turns out like, oh, OK,
this and then the golf course that was across the street from my house was all

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owned by Native Americans.
I think it was called the Yellowstone Tribe.
Because the area, oh, I can't remember. It was like Yellowstone County,
possibly. I remember hearing that somewhere.
And then the golf course was called Mini Moness Golf Course because that was

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the chief's daughter's name was Mini Moness.
It's probably, phonetically, I might be wrong, but that's how I grew up saying
it was Mini Moness. And then Chief Yellowstone, there's like a big rack with his headstone.
That my mom brought me to. I can't remember what year she brought me to.

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I was, I know I was young, but she brought me there. You had to park your car
and kind of hike into the woods a little bit in this huge boulder had chief
Yellowstone like carved into it.
So that's how I know about that. But yeah, that's pretty much where it was middle of nowhere.
The nearest gas station was probably six to seven miles away.

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Grocery stores, half hour. it was kind
of right on the indiana border as well oh okay so then the uh eastern part of
the state or yeah eastern part of the state all right well i'm happy that you
grew up on the illinois side and not the indiana side yeah i'd be maybe a little
bit too weird there yeah so uh so welcome,

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So having such profound experiences at such a young age, how do those experiences
kind of shape your interest in the supernatural?
Well, at first, I mean, I didn't say anything because my graduating class was like 24 people.
So it was a very, very small town.

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I already got picked on for having dark hair, glasses, darker skin.
I even got picked on because my dad died. So after he passed,
he made fun of me for that.
So I wasn't open about anything that I experienced.
And it's like my mom says that like she thought it was kind of weird that I

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wouldn't go into one of the yards by myself like ever when I wouldn't go outside at nighttime.
She would find me sleeping in my brother's crib at a young age and didn't know why.
And then like after I started remembering things, the way the house was set
up, our bedroom, the windows were higher up.

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So they weren't like normal windows like they were like towards the ceiling
kind of. So seven to eight feet up kind of.
And my bed was against the wall and my brother had his crib,
which was on the other side. And I remember looking out the window and seeing
a shadow figure with red eyes staring in our bedroom.

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And so I would go and sleep in his crib with him because I didn't want to sleep by myself.
And I actually slept with my mom until I was 13 as well. So I would go in my
mom's room and sleep all the time.
And I, oh God, I'm trying to think, like I've had so much stuff happen.
Things here and there would happen, like hearing voices like right next to you,

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but you can't understand anything that's being said.
There was this one time where it sounded like a fight, like a male and female
fighting, but like they were covering their mouths or they were underwater. It was really muffled.
We would get rocks thrown at us from the woods all the time.
And because it's the country, we had a big propane tank. That's how we heated the house.

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And they would ding off of the propane tank or they would get thrown on the driveway.
So for a while, like it was, it negatively impacted my life for a very, very long time.
And no, knowing what I know now, which is why I researched all of this was I'm
like, what's, what is this? Why is this happening?

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I don't, this doesn't make any sense. Like, what is this? Why do I see this
or feel this? Or why is this happening?
After I got older, I realized, oh, I think I had an attachment because I was
very negative, very hateful and violent, especially in my teenage years.
And then I also found out that I have like abilities like psychic empath or

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like, I hate labeling things, but that's the best way to describe it.
So I know I had those abilities when I was younger because I would always just
know things All the time when it came to my classmates or my family or friends
or somebody I liked, you know, like I just knew stuff all the time.
And nobody liked that. That's for sure.

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So was was there like um a moment or a person or a book or a movie or what have
you that made you take pause and say okay maybe i'm not weird i'm not crazy and,
made you look at like hey maybe i have a gift here,
So I did read a lot of books. I spent a lot of time in the library,

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like most of us losers do.
And I had books on UFOs, ghosts, Bigfoot, werewolves, Loch Ness Monster,
anything you could think of. I read all that stuff.
And it was, I guess you could say, reading about haunted stuff in books in high school.

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I was like, oh, okay, so there is stuff out there.
Interesting. Okay. But you know, it was a tiny town. So like,
you know, we didn't have too many books on that stuff. Right.
What made me know that I wasn't nuts was my first fiance.
His name was Bobby. We started dating in, it was my junior year and it was his senior year.

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And we were together until, So from 2004 until 2008 or 2009,
he was experiencing a lot of this stuff, too.
And then two of my other friends that I ended up, I don't even remember how I met them.
It was just probably at Denny's or some crap when you'd go there,

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smoke cigarettes, and drink coffee all night. Until four in the morning, yeah.
Yep. We'd do that, and that's how you would meet people.
There was not i didn't have internet or anything like that
so that was my go-to that was my go-to date ideas in high school it's like hey
let's go to denny's and just smoke you know i i wonder why never that was my

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pickup line your first date with
missy no no no no no we were higher class Then we went to TGI Fridays.
Or Applebee's. Chili's, yeah. Sorry, go ahead. I just wanted to let everyone
know that I was a player back in high school.

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So, yeah, pretty much it was having a couple people that experienced it with
me where I'm like, okay, I'm not nuts.
Or my one friend, I would just, or like when I was dating Bobby,
I just always knew how he felt.
Or something like it was like I knew he loved me before he told me he did like

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it was it's hard to explain like I just I just knew that he did and I remember
bringing it up one day like,
obviously that's not a comfortable conversation, but I was like,
so I've been feeling like, you know, we're, we're going somewhere,
like we're going like towards serious.
Like, I know I really, really like you and I care about you.

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Like, I think I, you know, I think I'm falling in love with you or I think I
love you. I think I said something like that. I can't remember the exact conversation.
And he was like, yeah, like, that's how I feel. How'd you know that?
And I'm just I fucked everything up now.
But no, it's we after that, then, you know, the three those three words were said all the time.

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And then he asked me to marry him in 2007.
I think God, it's been so long. But I mean, obviously, we're not together anymore.
That was like more of a high school sweet, sweetheart type of situation.
But he went through a lot of
the stuff that i did he experienced a lot of the

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stuff that i did so knowing that somebody
else was there and experienced the
same type of stuff i was like i'm not crazy same with like the empathic abilities
that i had like oh so i was right about that or feeling like um i know this
is like a lot of people don't like talking about But I always felt like this

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one girl really, really liked him.
And I kept telling him like, she is going to try to make a move on you and I'm
not okay with it. And I'm not okay with her.
Sure enough, that's what happened. And he's like, I'm sorry,
I didn't listen to you. You were right.
I don't know how you knew, but you were right. So it was like little things
like that here and there.

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Validated myself i guess so i
think that your psychic empathic
abilities may be a little skewed since you agree to
come on this podcast i don't i don't think you read us entirely well at all
oh stop well i met you guys in person and we all were laughing and giggling

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so i'd rather that than And be around people that are like, you're full of shit.
Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I am full of shit.
I was about to say, Frank's full of shit, but he's still like him. Yeah.
I'm glad you brought that up
just because, you know, we've all either had thoughts or had experiences.

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And it isn't until you find somebody to talk to about it who has a similar story
or a similar experience that helps you grow.
Part of the reason I think why we started this podcast in the first place is
we've met a few people. We've had some really interesting conversations.
And the more people we meet, the more like, oh, yeah, I have a story.
I have a story. I have an experience.

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And people don't talk about it unless you give them space to talk about it.
Exactly. That's just like the more people that I would end up being friends with.
And I had a couple of people that thought I was full of shit.
They're like, there's no such thing as ghosts.
Your property's not haunted you're making
it up and i would invite them over and

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then they would be a believer by the time they left so i would like eat those
like people who are like prove it okay so you had a premonition or you had a
feeling or whatever now prove it and that spotlight it just it kills the conversation
and open communication exactly yeah it's like meeting
a comedian and going, tell me a joke.

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Tell me something funny. Yeah. And it's just like, that's not how it works.
It's not how it works. So do you think, Jesse, that a certain location or a
certain type of person may be more susceptible to paranormal activity?
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
A hundred percent. Like my mom still has never experienced anything when we

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lived there and she wanted to.
Like the only thing that she ever experienced was when I got a digital camera
back in 2005 or six and I was taking pictures and all of these orbs were everywhere
and we didn't understand it.
And it's not like it was dust because there were blue ones and red ones and

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there were different faces.
And like, it was crazy. My mom was like fascinated.
Like she would have friends over and be like, Jess, Jess, take pictures. Show them the pictures.
So that's the only thing that she ever experienced there.
And then my brother, actually, he never experienced anything and didn't believe in it.

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And then he pretty much said that one night. And he wished he never said that
because whatever was there proved it to him that it was there.
Same with a couple of our friends that didn't believe me and Bobby about stuff.
They come to the property or we would go to this cemetery that was really fucked up.

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But we would go there and then they believed after that.
So I think because I have abilities, I was a little light bulb for whatever was there.
And it whatever was there enjoyed tormenting me Because it didn't mess with
anybody else in my family.
It was only me And the only time it messed with my younger brother Was when

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he was like I don't believe you exist proved to me that you're real proved to
me that you exist And it proved itself,
My mom never said that she would say like oh, I wish I knew what you were going
through or I wish that I could experience something too because I really want
to and And I don't know why she never has.
So like part of me kind of feels bad. And the other part of me is happy that

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she never experienced anything there.
Well, at least she was supportive and didn't tell you. Yeah.
It's just your imagination or it's just this, just that, that at least I like
hearing that part of your story.
It's, you know, you don't hear a lot of parents who are open to supporting their
kids through it and not just brushing them off.
Yeah. Yeah, and even my stepdad, when he moved into the property.

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His brother one day called the house because I think my mom,
was she working overnights? I can't remember.
But his brother was coming home from work and he had to go past our house to go back to his house.
And so he called the house and was like, hey, was Christine in the yard last

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night, like around eight, nine o'clock?
And my stepdad was like, no, why?
And he was like, weird. I saw a woman in your, in your front yard when I was
driving past the house to go home.
And my stepdad was like, no, you didn't. And he was like, no, I'm serious.
Like I saw a blonde woman standing in the yard, just staring off into space

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when I drove past your house.
And I thought it was odd because Chris works, you know, overnight.
So she would have been at work.
And so if, you know, my stepdad was like, did you have anybody over? I was like, no.
So even my stepdad, who was a fucking skeptic, like he was like,
no, this stuff isn't real.
Since his brother was like, wait a minute, what was that? Then he was like, okay.

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So when people are around you, since you're kind of like this beacon in the
fog, do people like experience more?
Do you say when they're around you or with you or is it still like a case by
case basis? I think it's a case by case because my fiance still hasn't really experienced much.

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But we also haven't really gone, you know, done too much together.
One thing I will I think it depends also to on the person like if it's,
especially when it comes to higher dimensional type beings, they know if you're
going to freak out or not.
And they don't want you to freak out. or they know
that like so if i'm with somebody and they sense that that person might be not

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nice towards me if they experience something then they're not going to try to
get that person to believe except for where i grew up that place loved messing with people and.
So my fiance, the only time that he's even told me that he had a full blown
paranormal experience was when we were out in Massachusetts last year.

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And he even said that he was like, I think I just had my first full blown paranormal experience.
But he's also learned to trust me.
Like when I get this feeling in my stomach, he knows that like something's happening.
And then there's been times where I feel it and I don't say anything.
And then he feels something. thing he's like babe I don't

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know I don't feel good and I'm like oh really there was
this one time where this was when we were
still smoking cigarettes I was outside on the porch having a cigarette and I
saw this bright like brilliant whitish light with like a little bit of blue
just and it was big it was just like chilling in the sky and I was like huh

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interesting if you're Or, you know,
something otherworldly. Could you give me a sign?
And it like, I call it a power up. It got really, really bright.
And then it dimmed back down to the regular size. And I was like,
oh, my God, could you do that again? And it did it again.
And I was just like fascinated. And then Steve comes outside to have a cigarette.

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And I'm like, babe, babe, there's a UFO over there. Look, see it.
See that white light over there? And he's like, yeah.
And then the thing started blinking like it was an airplane.
And he's like, babe, that's a plane. I'm like, it's not a freaking plane.
It literally just communicated with me. He's like, no, that's a plane, babe.
And I'm just like, well, I'm not even going to try. Because he's not going to believe me.

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That is great. So do you think that there is a connection between like supernatural
phenomenon and UFO or extraterrestrial experiences?
Yeah, kind of. I think everything is just in different planes that we just can't see.
Like there is like so i'm part of
like you know all the different communities the ghost community ufo community

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bigfoot community and one
common factor in all of those is like
lights like bright lights and orbs and then
also i also think that like there's been.
Times where extraterrestrial beings
or ultra terrestrial whatever you want to call them have said

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you know like we've communicated with people but we
get confused for as ghosts a lot of the time because nobody
can see us and they think they're talking to like
dave who killed himself here when
it's actually an extraterrestrial being so
like i i think it all kind of is
intertwined a lot of the time we just can't see

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what's there so if we're like they're
unfortunately a lot of the communities like
to bicker and fight over this crap but you know if.
There's ghost hunters and then and you got people that
believe in extraterrestrials and you got bigfoot people it's
like oh there was an orb oh that was a ghost no that
was bigfoot bigfoot's known for orbs no that

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was an extraterrestrial they they're known for orbs like
people will bicker over it and and be like
no i'm right instead of just trying to
come together and be like well maybe it's all of it like it's
really it's really rare to find people that believe that
it could be literally anything or all of it at the same
time you know i've often wondered about

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that you know doing our
paranormal investigations and things like that nature like how
do we know are we just assuming this is like
you said suzy who died in a
carriage accident or or could we be talking to
something something entirely different or are
they the same thing yeah right yeah like

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i have a friend who gets visited by these et called the ponti and they like
they'll turn his figurines around or something like that or leave their three-fingered
handprints and like the dust behind the tv and like if it was a ghost hunter
that lived there, they would think that it was haunted.

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Because he pretty much knows what it is. He knows that it's them.
It's not a ghost or anything.
So he can differentiate between the two.
That's why I know a lot of the stuff that I've experienced was more spiritual.
Instead of ET related. But then lately, after doing more research on Bigfoot stuff.

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Turns out that black eight
foot to 10 feet tall you know beans
with red eyes is seen in the bigfoot community bigfoots are known to throw rocks
at people so i've been like huh i wonder if i experienced bigfoot activity as
well as whatever else was there because originally i you know i'm I'm like, oh, they're demons.

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Well, I know better now. And it was either probably Bigfoot or because it was
a Native American burial ground, like the watchers or protectors of the land.
And, you know, we were on the land and they weren't happy about that.
Which, speaking of that, this is interesting and funny as well.
So the house foreclosed on in 2012. 12th.

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Then I ended up working with the daughter of the people that bought the property.
I was like, oh, okay, what are you guys doing to it?
They decided to make it a two-story and they redid the garage and stuff.
They were doing all this work to it. That was in 2013.

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Driven past there a few times there's literally
nothing's finished so they decided to
cut down this really old beautiful oak tree
that was in the front as well as all these like
privacy shrubs that were there and all these
trees and just my mom took care of the land like
she she loves to plant so she planted stuff and

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we we also did bury some animals pets
that passed there as well but they destroyed
the property like the land it's completely different
now and ironically it's been
over a decade and nobody's living there if you look in the windows there are
literal tools still in there the stairs were never finished the siding was never

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put on like it's like they literally
just up and left wow and it's it's so interesting to me like Like, well,
maybe the land spirits got pissed off at them because they destroyed a bunch of the property,
but they didn't, you know, I mean, they've messed with me, but they didn't try
to get us off the property like that because my mom took care of the land. She planted flowers.

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She, you know, we put in like apple trees. I think we had a pear tree as well
and we didn't tear up anything.
We added to it. So they were like, okay, yeah, they're cool. They can stay.
Unlike whoever owns the property now, the thing's been abandoned for over a frickin' decade. Wow.
That is... I've often wondered, because you hear when people start to do remodeling,

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things tend to flare up. And I've just always wondered...
Why they care so much. And you know. You kind of touched on it.
Maybe they don't care. The livings if you will.
And the spirits do care. But do you have any other theory. As to why that might stir up.
I don't know. I guess I'm just trying to think. If when I leave this world. Am I going to care.

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That someone's deciding to remodel the bathroom. Or you know. I don't know.
Would it be like some type of attachment. attachment
to the place that the spirit may have
well i think for my case with the
property it's 100 what is on the land
because it's an indian burial ground and native americans
were known to have sure elementals or watchers keep an eye on their burial grounds

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and usually they chase people out but and like i was saying well there were
who i don't know who built the schoolhouse there but somebody built the schoolhouse there originally.
And it's just so interesting how the only people that kind of stayed there for
a good amount of time was us.
And I do think it's because we didn't disrespect the land.

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So like, I think nature spirits and native American spirits have that, the,
the whole like, Oh, as long as you know, the land isn't desecrated,
but then you also have like over in Ireland and Scotland, and you have like
the elementals and the fae,
if they cut down a certain tree or are a certain way towards land,

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then there's hauntings in that area.
But then I also have a, like, I think if people, well, okay,
perfect example, Tinker Swiss Cottage.
When they started remodeling that, they got a lot of paranormal activity there.
But it's because Mr. Tinker, he.

(43:42):
Built that house. And so when they started doing stuff to it,
it probably bothered him because it was, that was his baby.
And so that would make sense that more activity would happen.
And it turns out that he just wants to be, I guess you could say,
told what's going on. Like, Hey, you know, Mr.
Tinker, we need to wallpaper this bedroom because the wallpaper is falling off

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And it actually doesn't look that nice.
So it would probably be best if we did that. Is that okay?
You know, and they include him when it comes to the remodeling and the spirits, like they enjoy that.
And then when I, the few times I've been there, like there it's active there,
like it's awesome there, but it's not in a negative way at all.

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Like they enjoy having visitors into their home because that was their, their special place.
And it's being shown, you know, to the world pretty much and to all these different
people in like a respectable manner.
So I think they like to play with people that go there like,
oh, you want, you want some ghost activity? We'll give you some.

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Oh, we got to go there now, Lynette. Yeah, we definitely should. It's awesome.
Where is that? In Rockford. Oh, in Rockford. Okay. No, right in the backyard. Hmm.
So, Jesse, so what is the most intense or frightening experience that you've had?

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And I know there's probably a handful, and I'm sure that there's more of the handful.
It's of different varieties, so I'm sure there's a ghost one,
a demon one, possibly an
extra-terrestrial one I like to hear like your top five you don't have to go

(45:38):
into great detail but like just a synopsis of your top five intense or terrifying
experiences encounters you've had so far oh boy.
Well, probably one of the most, I guess you could say, crazy.
And it was pretty terrifying that this could even happen.

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So five friends and I went to this really old cemetery that just we happened
upon in the woods. And we went there during the day.
And there were, I don't want to say necromancy, but that's kind of what it looked like.
Because there were graves that were dug up. there were altars
made out of headstones with candle wax on them well two

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two of my friends that were not believers me
bobby and them decided to
go to that graveyard just to check
it out and you know back then that was ghost hunting so that
was fun well my one friend who was in training i think for the army or the navy
i can't remember which he was one of the skeptics and he kept trying to figure

(46:47):
out what was following us because we kept hearing crunching leaves that would
stop literally one or two steps after us.
So we would stop and listen and we would hear one or two footsteps after us.
And we're like, what the hell?
And he, we got to the clearing where the cemetery was and he looked over towards

(47:07):
the end and we saw this gigantic,
like eight foot tall, all just being standing
there staring at us and that's when he was
like nope fuck this i'm out so we're like all
right yep we're leaving so we all decided to get out of there well
within two weeks every single one of us almost died in like a car accident seriously

(47:30):
yeah so my marine friend he was on his his you know crotch rocket and he was
driving down one of the main roads out that And just out of nowhere,
there was a pile of pallets in the road.
It was late at night, so nobody was even in front of him. Just like,

(47:51):
poof, pile of pallets. And he wrecked his bike.
My fiance and I, we were leaving our one friend's house, who was with us that
night as well. And he had his own experience.
But we were leaving his house, and we knew the back roads really well,
because we drove around there all the time.
And Bobby had a like 90, 91 Celica, like a manual. And it was raining really, really hard.

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And like, I'm so way back in the day, you know, we, you had those gigantic CD
books that could hold like fricking a thousand CDs. Oh yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. So I had, I had that on my lap, so I'm not paying attention where
we're going and I'm trying to find a CD to put in.
And then I hear Bobby go, oh fuck. and he started slamming on the brakes at

(48:39):
first, but then he sped up and we ended up jumping a ditch because...
There was a T in the section of the road that we were on. But again,
we've been on the, those roads many times.
We know those roads and he, from what he was saying, he didn't even see like
a, the, the sign that said, Hey, stop sign ahead or T, you know,

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intersection ahead. There were no signs.
He thought we were just still going.
And so he had to decide either to slam on the brakes and end up in the ditch
or slam on the gas and fly over it while we flew over it.
And then Then that big ass book that was in my lap hit me in the face and I got a concussion.

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So that happened to us. And then my other friend, same thing.
He was driving somewhere.
And then just in the middle of the road, there was just a pile of wood that
made no sense. So he wrecked his car as well.
So everybody that went to that cemetery that night almost died within two weeks.

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So that i can't explain that like it's fucked up so do you think that it was like an omen or,
do you think it was just a byproduct of
seeing it or a warning i think because the fact that we were all there that

(50:04):
day and that place obviously had some type of ritualistic type stuff going on
and like power it didn't want either like a warning like don't come back,
like i don't know it's just it's a
little too coincidental that every single person that
went almost died in a car accident within two weeks of us going like that's

(50:29):
odd that was definitely one more crazy things and then i've also had tons more
like stuff being thrown at me and moved and i've I've been choked and crazy
shit like that's happened to me as well.
Yeah. All on that property. Wow.
All right. So one thing that you did share with us before is that in your early 20s, you actually died.

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So how has that impacted you? I mean, was it just, you know,
oh, just another day in the life of Jesse, you know?
I damn near but at first it didn't really impact me much I was just like,
originally like I didn't even care I was

(51:19):
just like oh well you know I'm coughing up
blood cool I'm going to the hospital whatever you know I
didn't care but then like later on realizing a
that it probably happened for a reason because I know I I don't know if I went
somewhere or what but my dad that passed when I was 10 he was right next to

(51:41):
me so that was like a a knowing that
he's still around and he still looks after me that was
the first time i knew that so that impacted me
that way and then i think it also opened
me up more like i already had abilities but it's it's hard to explain because

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i blocked it out for the longest time like i was you know drinking all the time
trying to numb everything and it literally that whole year just
like made my life a mess and I was suicidal and all that crazy crap happened.
But the fact that I knew since that happened, I know my dad's still around.

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I think that's probably the positive impact that it had on me was knowing that
he's still there because now like I sense his presence more often.
He comes through at ghost investigations when I don't even ask him to, he just does.
So it's, it was like more of a concrete,
it's concrete that there is something

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else it's not just nothing because when
i did die i was pretty much an atheist so
i i didn't believe in anything and then i died and then my dad was there so
how how is that possible if if my dad was there and there's nothing yeah it
didn't make sense to me so it definitely changed my point of view on things so i was an

(53:10):
atheist and then I turned more into an agnostic and now I have the views of like, like,
you know, everything happens for a reason.
There's definitely universal source, universal, Mm-hmm.
Doesn't control things but like i was saying like

(53:31):
everything happens for a reason like even to the
little minuscule thing like you caught a train and then
you just missed a car accident by like a second you
know like things things are interesting that
way and i've been seeing it more often and so
i i think if i wouldn't have died then i
don't know if i'd still be an atheist or not but i definitely

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know that i wouldn't have been so open to
the fact that there is something else if that
didn't happen if that makes any sense yeah no
it does makes a ton of sense yeah do you
think that he shows up i'm sorry go ahead lynette no i
was just gonna ask how long were you legally dead opposed

(54:14):
opposed to to illegally dead right well
you know you know you being charged for not
dying properly and we're going to sentence you to
two months of community service well i'm
just wondering like i didn't know i didn't know
if there was like a coma or anything like that involved and you were so when
i had the surgery i technically died three times the first two times they brought

(54:38):
me back with the paddles and the third time they called the time of death i
don't remember the how long it was though if it was like two minutes or seven minutes.
I can't remember what my surgeon said, but they did call the time of death.
And then I came back to life and then they finished the surgery.
That's so wild. That's crazy. Cause I'm kind of curious. I'm like,

(54:58):
from when they called a time of death to where like, you basically are, we're alive again.
Like what was going on through their heads when all of a sudden you're just like, Hey, I'm alive.
Like, we're like, like, I wouldn't know.
You know, I'm not sure that's how it happened. I don't think she opened her eyes, looked and goes,
Hey, you guys going gonna finish this or what i want i got i got dinner to make i

(55:21):
have dinner plans in two hours can you finish this up please you never
know i know i was a little more exaggerated but
like i just like i kind of want to know like what their thought process and
like what were they doing were they getting ready to prepare your body and right
whoever like what were they like what was going on during that time they were
checking for parts i wish i knew that i don't even know i just If they had like

(55:45):
cameras on them so you can kind of see like, what did they do during that time?
They were, they were checking for parts. They're making sure.
All right. What can we sell in the black market from this chick?
All right. She's got a liver. She's got a couple of kidneys. They look good.
At that point, I was just probably like, that's why I have that scar.
No, but that is crazy.

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Yeah. So, all right. So you, you almost died that that happened.
So now you're into Reiki, right? You, you mentioned Reiki.
How, how did you decide to, to jump into that?
Because yes, there's a spiritual component, but like, it's like so different

(56:29):
than most of your experiences up to that point. Wouldn't you say?
Kind of. I've actually always been able to heal. I didn't really know there
was a name to it, but people I would be dating, they would have a headache or something,
and then I would just, I don't know, we would be cuddling or something,
and then their headache would go away,

(56:50):
or something would ache, or something like that would always happen. Hold on. Hold on.
I'm going to, I think you got played.
All right. Every single guy plays the impotency card and goes,
oh, I haven't been able to get hard forever.

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See if you can do it. I'm pretty sure that's how that went. I don't think you
healed them from impotency.
I think they were always able to get hard.
No? Did you try that on Missy? All the time. But I really can't get hard.
So, I mean, I am impotent. So.

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Sorry. Sorry. sorry, that's the first thing that popped up when you said you
were cuddling and they're like, oh, I'm broken.
Oh my God. No, it would just be like, we're hanging out, watching a movie and,
they would have like a headache or something like, oh, it was just my head.
I got a migraine right now. I'm just like, oh, I'm sorry.
You know, and you're, you know, put your head on my lap, you know,

(57:52):
let me see if I can help or something like that. And then it would go away.
Or there were times where it would happen and I didn't even say anything.
I just put my hand on their stomach for some reason. I don't know why.
Just intuitively put my hand on their stomach and then like, yeah, that's weird.
My stomach, my stomach feels better. Like, oh, really? Huh.
You know i didn't really think anything of it and then

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in 2019 oh i've
also always been into crystals my mom i got that
from my mom okay in 2019 we
she lives down in like moments and i live up here by schomburg so halfway point
is kind of around like the tinley park area so we were gonna meet up and she

(58:34):
said that she just happened upon this crystal shop that's in tinley that she
didn't know about that she found so she told
me you know what it was called then i found it and she's like
hey yeah meet me here the owner said he's gonna stay
out or stay open late so you can make it and
i'm like oh okay cool crystal shop went there and checked everything out and

(58:57):
then it's called hi-ho gems and it was in tinley park at the time it's in mokina
now but so we met up there and i you know he had a lot of cool stuff that i
was looking at he just looked at me he goes Hey,
have you ever heard of Reiki? I'm like, no.
Why? What's that? And he was like, it's like a universal healing energy.

(59:18):
I was like, oh, really? And he was like, yeah. So we have Reiki shares the first
Wednesday of every month. You know, you should come. I'm like, okay.
Not sure what this is, but we'll check it out. And that's actually how I ended
up meeting several of my best friends now.
And that's how I got led down the path, pretty much. I went to a Reiki share
and I got Reiki and it was like the coolest experience.

(59:43):
Like I got goosebumps everywhere, but in a good way, not in the bad way where
you're like at a haunted location and you get goosebumps and something bad happens. It was the opposite.
Oh my God, like this feels awesome. Like it's like a universal love type of feeling.
And then like my anxiety would feel better or I would sleep better.

(01:00:05):
So it was just like little things like that. And then I was like,
how do I learn how to do this?
And then the owner of the shop, he taught Reiki. So I got my first two certificates from him.
And then my third one, I got from my friend Dave, who owns a shop in West Chicago.
So I got my master's from him. But as soon as I got attuned to level two,

(01:00:28):
I had no depression anymore, no anxiety.
I'm a lot more chill when things would just piss me off all the time.
It's a lot different now. So it's like I'm a different person in a way.
And the way that the universe, I guess you could say, they led me down that

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path is one of those like, Oh, that's a little too many coincidences to be a coincidence.
Like there was a reason for all of that that day. Like my mom just happened
to find it out of nowhere.
And then the owner staying out open late, just so I could be there.
And then asking me if I knew what Reiki was like,

(01:01:10):
I don't know what, why I don't even know why he asked me that question either
just like oh have you heard of reiki like even i don't ask people that i'm like
hey what's up you know in the line of walmart hey have you heard of reiki what's up.
Yeah i i always ask people about reiki you know so i'll be at work and you know

(01:01:33):
i do sales so at the end of every single sales call i'm like hey do you know
about reiki let me uh let me let Let me tell you about it.
And it pretty much never works. I know that's why I'm bad at sales.
So, so with you doing all these different things,

(01:01:54):
you know, from your paranormal investigating to searching for Bigfoot and ETs
and Reiki, and then you're doing a podcast talking about all these different topics.
How do you find yourself being able to stay grounded while doing all this?

(01:02:16):
Well i have my decompression days so usually
actually usually sundays is my decompression day
where i just watch something on you
know like on t well not tv but like peacock or
something like i was literally watching house today you
know like just kind of zone out for a
little bit get because i i'm customer service

(01:02:37):
so i talk to people all the time and there's
days where i just need nothing like just
do nothing relax at home so I
do that and then like when it comes to like the
reiki sound healing stuff it's it is
kind of grounding in its own right like when I do expos and stuff I do get kind

(01:02:58):
of tired every now and then like my energy kind of depletes a little bit so
then I'll try to like just re put up my little bubble I guess you could say
my little Reiki bubble and then I'll feel a little bit better.
I've always been a busy body though as well. Like it's hard for me to just do nothing.

(01:03:18):
And I also wasn't working for four years. I was on disability. I got hurt at work.
So I had four years of literally sitting on my ass doing nothing.
So now like the fact that I'm busy all the time, but it's also following a passion of mine.
So So it's not like it's grueling work that I hate or don't want to do. I enjoy it. Like.

(01:03:41):
October 5th, I'll be at the Rock Island Paracon. And I just got asked if I would
do a sound bath for everybody.
And I was like, okay, sweet. Yeah, I'd love to.
Like my, my car is definitely going to be full, but you know,
it's going to be a very exhausting weekend.
Like this past weekend was like driving, you know, three hours,

(01:04:02):
checking into a hotel, then going and setting up my booth.
And then you know waking up early as hell to go to the expo and then end the
expo and then pack everything back up into my car you know so that's that's
the exhausting part but like the,
everything else having to do with like the paranormal and the reiki and the

(01:04:23):
expos and all that i enjoy it it's a lot of fun and since i'm following my passion
more stuff is is like falling into my lap and i'm getting more opportunity so
it's like i don't know if anyone's I've heard of Bashar,
but one of the things he's always said is, you know, follow your passion and
things will just start falling in place.
And therefore, you'll if you're in the vibration of following your passion and

(01:04:48):
happy and excite excitement for it, then things will just start becoming easier.
And you'll I'm trying to think how to word this right. Right.
You'll be successful in your passion instead of just every day going to work,
hating your life and hating your job.
If you're following your passion, your passion will bring you happiness and

(01:05:09):
excitement. And then that's pretty much the cycle.
Yeah. Yeah. No, that makes sense. So if for those that do need like protection
or grounding, how would you suggest best practices of them going about doing that?
Well, literal grounding, like putting your feet on Mother Earth is always good.

(01:05:31):
Like to go like into a park, lean against a tree and put your feet in the grass
and like imagine green energy coming up from like roots into your body and going
back down into Mother Earth to ground that way.
I always have, I always wear black tourmaline all the time.
So that's one thing that I do. if i ever feel like i have an attachment or something

(01:05:56):
isn't right i rub my feet in black salt,
so like there's a lot of different things i i do have a saint mark saint michael
the archangel medal and a saint benedict medal as well that i wear on my black
tourmaline necklace for protection,
so i do wear that as well and again it

(01:06:17):
all just depends on the person like over
this past weekend and i had someone ask me if i was catholic i'm like i
mean i went to a catholic school but no i'm not and he was
like oh well then why do you have those medals i was like because
if they have protective properties then
why not have them i don't have to be a catholic to want to wear saint michael

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the archangel medal you know like things shouldn't be so black and white same
with like black tourmaline like if you're a catholic you can wear a black tourmaline
to ground yourself Yeah, it's funny.
It's hard for people to understand that things cross-reference.
The Abrahamic religions is Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.

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Islam believes a lot of the same things that Judaism and Christianity believe,
but since people aren't exposed or are willing to learn about other things outside
of their bubble, they don't know that. So St.
Benedict, Archangel Michael are alive in all three of those religions,
no matter how different they may seem to the layman, they're actually not that different.

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Yeah so all right well no that's that's that's good advice so so okay so other
than you dying and not staying dead you zombie,
have there been any paranormal experiences that you have had that made you reconsider

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your beliefs about life death or the afterlife beside you actually dying
that's so weird to say that's so weird to say.
Well i mean like i was saying when i did die like i didn't really care about

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anything and it was agnostic and everything so that was the main one but like when it comes to,
anything else well i like
i guess you could say knowing that there's other life out there
that was that's happened one of the
experiences i had with that was well i've
always seen stuff in the sky and you know people

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like to chalk it up to oh it's not a ufo or it's not this it's probably just
a satellite but i've seen too much stuff to to think otherwise there was when
i first so something else i do is ce5 close encounters of the fifth kind yeah
i was going to bring that up Yeah,
when I first got into that back in like 2020,

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I joined a Facebook group and the person that ran the Facebook group,
I was talking to him a lot and we were just discussing things all the time.
And this one day I...
So one of the things that people say is like you get downloads or whatever.
So like information from Source or the universe or...

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I don't know, Akashic records, whatever you want to call it,
will be put into you and then you can access it at a later time when it's like the timing's right.
So I think I was getting downloads or my abilities were being heightened or
something was happening because
my head hurt so bad and I can't even like explain the type of pain.

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Like it was the top of my head and then the third eye,
like right in the forehead so the crown chakra
and the third eye chakra just it hurts so
bad no lights no sound and
then i was getting like like really really cold as well and my friend was like
i think what's happening is you're getting an upgrade why don't you ask for

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help you know and i'm like okay so i'm sitting in the living room in the dark
by myself wrapped up in a blanket.
And I pretty much was like, so if anybody, if you guys are doing this to me,
could you please let up? I can't function.
I can't live my life right now. I have things I need to do.
I understand you're probably doing something for the betterment of me,

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but please, please, please like ease up a little bit.
And then I felt this, like, I can't even explain I got the good goosebumps and
it felt like this wave of love of an universal love.
Like I never experienced anything like it aside from meeting the Mitchell Hedges crystal skull.

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Like and then I felt like warm, like this warmth around me when I was like freezing
and then my headache went away.
And it was like a euphoric feeling. It's so hard to explain. Yeah.
And so after I asked that, that happened and my head felt better.
I wasn't freezing and I could actually function again.

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So I was like, oh my God, you'll thank you. And so I told my friend that and
he was like, yeah, I sensed that they, you know, came and they helped you out.
So I was like, that's interesting. Okay.
And then I have another friend who lost his hearing when he was like 16 that I met recently.
Like I didn't know him when I was 16 or anything. think he's got how

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old is he i think he's in his 60s now but he
didn't he lost his hearing in high school and
he was in stephen greer's film where he
lost his hearing and he went to a ce5 in
arizona and he was
playing kind of hide and seek with this little red orb all night and he was

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was communicating with it and then he woke up the next day and he could hear
perfectly fine so he got healed and stuff so that's like another thing that
has changed my view when it comes to.
Different beings like i know we're not alone there's no
way we are so that's i guess you could say something
else that's changed my viewpoint on on when

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it comes to extraterrestrial beings or ultra terrestrials
like there's who knows really i mean
i think that there's both like i
know i've been in contact with arcturians which are
very tall blue beans i've seen them
in dreams and felt their presence and
stuff as well that is fascinating so

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in in your opinion do you
or maybe of the entities you've encountered or
experienced or researched you there's so much
hyperbole out there that when first contact
is made public to everyone that everything is going to be terrible and they're
going to conquer our planet or i'm just wondering do you feel that the other

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entities out there are more of a loving nature here to help and support do you
think that there are those out there who want to control and take over what
are your thoughts on that,
That's also kind of a loaded question.
So how I feel, honestly, if there was stuff that were that was going to take
over and kill us, it would have happened already.

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Like a long time. I would think so, too. Yeah. Yeah. So I whatever is going
on right now, it's all to help humanity and to help the planet not harm it.
There are beings that do not have
humanity's best interest and that will
go into a whole different topic of like the cabal if you want to call it that

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like reptilian type beings that technically control things from the the inside
in a way and that stuff is falling away little by little because of everything that's been happening.
So it's like there are beings that aren't exactly that nice,

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but they also cannot interfere with our free will.
So they can plant seeds for people in power and see what happens.
And then there's the other, well, 90% of the beings that I know of,
excuse me, are of a loving nature and they don't want anything bad to happen
because humans are special, like our DNA and what we're able to accomplish and do.

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So they want us to, I guess you could say ascend or become better.
They don't want us to be fighting in this division crap that's going on.
So if anybody has the whole you versus me mentality or, oh, well,
you like this person, well, F you, I'm not talking to you.

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Like that type of mentality, then they're being influenced by the more negative,
like reptilian type of entities, I guess you could say.
So there is a way to kind of tell just by how people act and how they are.
I'm not going to go into detail with that because that will be here all night.

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Yeah, that's a separate interview. review. I like how you kind of explain that
because obviously we do experience divide and polarization on folks but I guess
I never took it a step further to think that maybe those individuals,
doesn't have to be the cabal or on the inside but those who are feeding into
that narrative are also perhaps influenced by the reptilian.

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Anything that is pushing fear is being like.
Because of the negative beings like so you know
there's certain situations in 2020
that was really really really pushing fear and that's
because that was all the negative stuff instead of
trying to bring everybody together and then unfortunately of quite a few people

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kind of because of what happened we're like wait a minute I'm not happy why
am I living this life you know when people People had time to actually look
inside and think about things.
I know several people that have kind of come towards, I guess you could say
towards the light or whatever you want to call it, because of the fact that
they had time to actually think about things.

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And they're like, wait a minute, why am I doing this for work? I hate this.
I hate my life. I hate this.
Why am I continuing to do this? like they were
in a sleep state and they like woke
them up so now they're following a passion and
they're happier so that happened to a lot of people back

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then and i think that that was that was supposed to happen that way but again
like if it has to do with pushing fear that's what these beings feed off of
is fear so like i don't watch tv i refuse to watch tv because of that factor.
I know too many people that are glued to the TV and they are just scared of everything.

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Well, just in general, you can probably talk to friends and put them in a bucket
and instantly know if they're consuming a lot of media.
So very interesting. No, I definitely want to explore more of this conversation
with you maybe in a future episode. I love it.
Yeah, that's great. Thanks, Lynette.

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Frank? Yeah. It looked like you were talking.
No, no. So, I guess I have one final question, and.
I'm going to ask it and give you an example of what I'm kind of asking.
So with you doing Reiki, I'm curious as to your weirdest encounter with someone while doing Reiki.

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So for example, I used to go to Massage Envy for massages.
And there was this one masseuse years ago, and I wish I could find her.
She left. She was awesome.
And she was a bit of an empath herself. self. And I asked her,
you know, what's the weirdest thing she's ever encountered giving massage.
So I was kind of thinking along the lines of like people asking for like happy

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endings and you know, stuff like that.
So, so she said, she told me, she goes, she goes, well, you know,
I do like energy healing. I just know how to.
And so whenever I'm giving someone massage, I'm usually saying a prayer in my head.
So she said this one time this lady came in and she was giving off some really

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just negative, bad vibes.
She said she had a headache. So she was laying down face up and I was rubbing
her temples and massaging the base of her neck.
And it's at the same time in my head, I'm just saying a prayer.
And as we started the massage and I started praying, the lady opened her eyes
and looks at me and says, please stop praying.

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She goes, she said, that scared the shit out of me.
And I never saw that lady again. But so, so yeah, yeah, I can't, I would poop myself.
I would poop myself probably twice if that happened.
So it is an example of like what I'm kind of asking any like weird experiences

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like that ever happen as you're doing energy work on anyone?
I have a lot of validation because I do just know things I'll tend to just know
where somebody needs extra healing I actually I actually gave Ricky to Cindy
Casa I think she's beautiful,

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that was so cool but so that that was just that was just cool on its own but
probably I mean it's it's not weird to me just knowing things like I've had
people ask if I knew like Like, oh, did you know that I had my knee replaced?
Is that why you put your hand there? It's like, no, I didn't know that.

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I just felt like I was drawn to that area.
But probably one of the, the only time I had something really messed up happen was at a Reiki share.
So my, at HiHo Gems in Mokina, he has, my Reiki teacher has Reiki shares every now and then.
And there's like this little group of us, you know, we call ourselves the OGs.

(01:20:41):
You know, we've been around the shop for a long time, but so the Reiki shares
are open to the public so anybody can go to them.
And there was this one time that there was this one lady there.
I was just getting bad vibes like I I don't know what it was.
I was just uncomfortable.
I did not want to go by her or anything. thing.

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And so my one friend was giving her Reiki and I got the urge to go help him.
Like, you should go over there and help him. I'm like, fuck, okay.
So I went over there and started giving her Reiki too and like it was just.
I don't know if she had an attachment or what was going on, but it got attached

(01:21:29):
to me because that night I had like horrible, horrible nightmares,
nightmares that I don't usually have.
And then also I was doing the dishes and I got the sensation to look behind me.
So I looked behind me and I had like some bananas that were kind of like upside

(01:21:53):
down on our toasters. So, you know, they're not really touching anything because
we don't have, you know, one of those little hammock things.
And I watched them flip off of the toaster, like something just like flip them off.
And I was just like, what the hell?
And like, I just I was also like just so freaking depressed and angry and hateful.

(01:22:15):
And I'm just like, okay, this is not me.
What the hell's going on? So I messaged my friend who was also giving this woman Reiki.
And I was like, hey, did you sense anything like with that person?
Because this is what's been going on.
And he was pretty much like, yeah, no, I was not comfortable.

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I don't know what it was, but she just, she made me really, really uncomfortable,
excuse me, uncomfortable.
And I had like nightmares and stuff as well. So I was like, huh, that's interesting.
So needless to say, I saved the shit out of my house.
Well.
Technically it didn't work because, well, I didn't rub my feet in it first.

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Cause I try to do it before I get home.
If I ever feel like that, I had no idea that that something might've attached
itself to me. I just felt like this person was like,
like not who they said they were like a facade. Cause according to this person,
she was a practitioner as well. And I'm just like, Oh God, I hope not.

(01:23:23):
Cause you can't like, you can't be a certain type of person and give Ricky healing.
It's not going to work. All you're going to do is make that other person miserable.
Right. So like, yeah, though this person was like, Oh yeah, I've been doing
Ricky and you know, I do this, I do this.
And like my inner insights were like, Like, you are so full of shit.

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So I'm going to. Yes, go ahead. Sorry. I was going to say, so that's pretty
much like one of the weirdest things that's happened when it comes to doing the Ricky stuff.
And I haven't had anything like that happen ever since. So I double make I double
protect myself now because, you know, me and her were giving my friend Ricky
and it's just like whatever she had attached itself to me.

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And like my friend like i was like
hey you know i felt like you know your hips
have you been having hip issues he's like yeah you know my
hips have been bothering me a lot i'm like okay that's what i felt
and then she's over here like well i felt like your
heart chakra this and this and this and you
know has this happened and he's like no and she's

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like oh well have you had like headaches aches lately
i felt like you've been having headaches and he's like no so
she was like 100 full of shit
and then something attached itself to me that's crazy
concerning you're going to seek healing and you
working with somebody who's a fraud or

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i don't know if fraud's too strong of a word but like someone who's not doing
it right like what sort of distortions can that cause for you yeah I don't know
like I know me well my friend he was okay because he you know after I told him
that he's like okay it felt like like how did he word it like really cold.

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And not like it did. It felt like his energy was being pulled out in a way.
So he, you know, staged himself and everything. And then, like I said,
I staged my whole apartment and myself.
And I wish there was a way for people to know. But unfortunately,
I don't know of a way to know if somebody's full of shit or not. Yeah.
That was the first time that that happened, though. Like somebody saying that

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they're a Reiki practitioner.
And I don't know if like they. Because, I mean, there are entities that use
other people or whatever as like kind of puppets.
So this person probably thought that they were doing healing,
but whatever was attached to them was sucking the energy out instead.

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Yeah. Huh. So I'm going to put you on the spot now for a moment.
So when we when we met each other at that little expo you did do some reiki on me,
all right so tell everyone what you picked up about me and like how big of an

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asshole i mean and be as blunt and as honest as possible i was gonna say i didn't
really pick anything up like Like I wasn't,
the only thing I was drawn to was like your head,
like your crown chakra, third eye chakra were kind of messed up.
And then I can't remember if there was another one or not, but I just felt like

(01:26:42):
I had to concentrate on, you know, your head, your head region with like my
singing bowls and Reiki and everything. That's the main thing that I remember.
All right. All right. Well, that was kind of boring.
We know you're messed up in the head this is true.
That is true but you did you did say you

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felt a lot better i think you said your throat too you had a oh yeah his yeah
his throat chakra i i remember that now yeah yeah yeah she said that was wide
open so yeah real shock yeah yeah so all right you know just kind of was hoping that
you kind of realized that I was the second coming.

(01:27:25):
I was God's gift to women or something, you know, something like that. I guess not.
Whichever makes you sleep at night. You just need to say something to Missy. Yeah. Right.
I'm the second coming. I am the second. Yeah. I always come second.
Oh, geez. Yeah. I'm very, I'm very chivalrous like that.
So kind of you. Yeah. Well, ladies, we just did an hour and a half.

(01:27:48):
I think that was awesome. And Jesse, I'm not sure if you'd be open to this,
but I know the three of us would love to have you on and have a more of a targeted Jesse experience,
you know, instead of the overall Jesse, like, you know, we would love to probably
do like a whole interview on just what the CE5 is and just.

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Extraterrestrials in general so i know lynette is going to be up all night thinking about this so.
So he's watching me right now yeah right
so if you want to like go ahead and like plug like where can people request
your reiki or schedule an appointment with you social media plugs whatever whatever

(01:28:37):
you want to put out there into our little university. I'll go right ahead.
Well, you can find me at the Rock Island Paracon.
That's October 5th of this year, which is in Rock Island, Illinois.
It's from, I believe, 9 a.m. to 7 p.m. I'll be there.
And then the next expo I'm doing is October 26th in Watsika,

(01:29:02):
Illinois, at the Roth House.
So that place is the first documented
possession case so there's going to be like a
big seance that's going to be done as well so I'll
be there doing services I do have
a my business Facebook is totally
tumbled crystals and healing on Facebook or

(01:29:23):
my Facebook that I
use for a lot lot of this stuff actually too is jesse hawthorne
on facebook so j-e-s-s-i-y and
then hawthorne so you can find me on there if
you want to you know have me do like
a sound bath or have me come give reiki session

(01:29:44):
because i don't work out of like a building or anything
depending on how far it is i'll just drive to
your house and give you a session creepy now
noon right now well that's
awesome so yeah if you want to stay
on i'm going to just sign us off and and
play our little creepy song so three lynette

(01:30:07):
is there anything else you guys want to add no i enjoyed this talk and it's
with jesse today was awesome yeah i appreciate having actually yeah no problem
awesome well our tens of listeners thank you for tuning in right you You tune into a podcast, right?
No? Yes. Yeah? Okay. Yeah. I didn't know. That's like more of like a trust your

(01:30:29):
radio kind of thing. Like, thanks for tuning in, you know?
Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks guys for listening. We love you. And I'm Frank.
I'm Brie. And this is Lynette. And you've been listening to Fringe.
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