Why Daredevil & Spider-Man Need an MCU Team-Up Movie (Daredevil: Born Again) with Erik Barnes

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
So Spider Man and Daredevil are both New York's greatest heroes,
but we need to know which one is the real
MVP of the city. Is the guy that swings through
queens and fights aliens? Or is it the guy who
beats up mobsters and eats thy food in Hell's Kitchen?
More importantly, Eric Barnes, my very special guest for today,

(00:34):
who do you think the average New Yorker roots?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
For? Now?

Speaker 1 (00:38):
I want you to take out We all know that
a classic thing about Spider Man is that j Jonah
Jameson publishes all this slander against him. So take that
out of the game. Let's say let's say it's a
your New Yorker on the street. You're not from New York,
are you?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
I know you're not. No, I've visited a few times,
but I've never I have never lived in New York's
on a.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Percent on a percentage scale, how much of New Yorker
would you say you are being the most New Yorkery.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Thirteen thirteen percent. I grew up in Ohio. I'm I'm
a corn fed boy like you.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, yeah, I'm a five percent New Yorker. Okay, so
we're probably the worst two people in the universe to
answer this question. But you're a New Yorker. Yes, I'm
giving you the label. Right now, every New Yorker on
the subway that's listening to this is getting so mad.
Who do you think you root for? Ignore the j
Jonas slander? You know that's lies. Is it Spider Man
or is it dared To.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Who do I root for? As Aris? You root for both?
It depends on where you live. Because if you're from Queens,
he's repping Queens.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Let's say you're from Brooklyn. You're from Brooklyn, You're You're
You're the neutral territory. I'm the neutral terroriant of this conversation.
Everyone from Brooklyn hates me.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Right now, I'm gonna say Daredevil, and I'll tell you why. Okay,
because the thing, if it is is I think that
it's kind of like there's surface level New York and
then there's deep New York. Right And are you.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Sure you're only thirteen percent in New York? You sound like
a little bit more New York.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well, I've met, I've met, and I've dated a bunch
of previous New York. Okay, Because there's the there are
the people that are like Okay, yeah, Spider Man, he's
for the tourists, right if if if people outside of
New York like it's like, yeah, Spider Man's great and
all that, but you know, when push comes to shove,
I'm gonna want the guy dressed like the devil to

(02:17):
get to get the stuff done. You're fine, let me
read you gotta make it, let me uh let I
can I can re record that thing? No, we're going
with fair enough fair you know, because that's the thing
is like there. It's kind of like how if you
were to if someone outside of New York one was like, well,

(02:40):
where's the original rays? Pizza uh ran, New York will
be like, I don't know, just go to this one.
They'll go to the ray. They'll point them at the
rays that they know, because there's like nine different original rays.
But if someone says who wants someone says I want
the New York experience, where's the best place to get piece,
It's like, okay, you gotta go to blowlah blah blah
blah blah. They'll go to the deeper cut, you know

(03:03):
what I mean?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
And you think Daredevil darl cut, New York's kitchen is
smaller than queen he is, you know. That is the thing,
like when the Hell's Kitchen is like what eight I'm look, look,
I'm a five percent New York right.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Health Kitchen is like what ten blocks? Like, yeah, it's
pretty small. It's really small, really really small, very targeted.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Okay, so Daredevil is the true raised Pizza of New
York superheroes. I'm like that, Oh wait, no, not that
they wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
He wouldn't even put They won't even point him to
the Rays because Rays is already a tainted name. Right.
They'll be like, Okay, there's this one. They'll they'll say, Okay,
there's this hole in the wall spot on one hundred
and tenth Street, and of blah blah blah and so
on and so forth, like you have to go around
the corner and all that. They they use the pants
that they brought in from the old country or something

(03:53):
like that, you know what I mean, the pants that
they brought from the old country. You know, it's like, no, no,
the water in this area makes the know a special flavor,
you know or something.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
See, I think he's stronger than a thirteen percent in
New York.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Everybody.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
I think this sounds like a twenty five percent in
New Yorker talk could be bsing this Uni Well, I
think that's a perfect way to say hello and welcome
to geek History. Lesson everybody. I'm Jason Inman. Unfortunately, Ashley
Victoria Robinson had to make a quick trip to the
Dark Dimension, and we will wish her well with that.
With that, you know, hey, it's it's colden Flucie's that everybody,
it's Colton Flusies it out there and she had to

(04:27):
take a trip to the Dark Dimension to feel better.
So we send her well wishes. But you are stumbled
upon the podcast where we take one character or conversation
and talk.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
A little bit less about it than about an hour.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
I screwed that. See this is why I need to
co host. But I'm glad that I do have a
perfect guest here to talk about Spider Man and Daredavil, because,
as you found, he's twenty five percent in New York.
He's also a comedian.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
I don't think I said twenty five I think I
bum I.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Bumped you up. You bumped me based on that conversation.
I'm sure we have a comedian. We have a writer.
He's an actor. He is also a pro wrestling commentator.
We have the wonderful and lovely Eric Bards.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Eric.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Welcome to get cashlesso man.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
I feel thoroughly welcomed and thank you so much for
having me. We're here.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
You know, why are Some people might be like, why
are you guys attempting to talk about New York. Well,
I hate to tell you, but Daredevil Board again. Have
you heard about the show?

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yes, I have. You know.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
It's a tiny independent show that's on a streaming service
that nobody watches exactly Disney Disney Minus and it is
releasing uh March fourth. I'm actually really excited for it.
I have a buddy worked on it. I'm pretty excited.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
I can't I don't know if I can't say who
it is because because he's not really your friend. No,
I will tell you this. You when you work in television,
unless you are like the top boss of said show,
it becomes a very nebulous minefield about what you can
say about the show.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Oh yeah, we're it.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Where is the you know, corporation might get angry if
you say anything.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, yeah, regardless of platform.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
By the way, yeah, yeah, so I literally wanted to recently,
I wanted to tweet out and congratulate him about the gig,
and he said, I don't know if you can. So
I was like, oh, we can't even tweet about it
that you got a paycheck that said Daredevil.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
But you know we'll fight out later. It's all good.
It's okay. I literally what it's is that? What who
signed the paychecks? Yes, Daredevil, it says Matt Murdoch. No,
not Matt Murdock. It's Daredevil, it says dared Daredevil Colin.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
And then he even goes the Man without Fear and
you're like, oh, that's a that's a little presumptual.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
All right, let's hop into our ten cent origin.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
I wanted to give you guys in case you don't
know who Daredevil and Spider Man are, and I mean,
where have you been living under a race pizza?

Speaker 2 (06:35):
This is who?

Speaker 1 (06:36):
This is how I'm gonna explain this. Daredble and Spider Man.
They have teamed up countless times to protect New York City.
They're both Marvel comic superheroes. Both heroes sort of share
a sense of responsibility. They both have a tragic past,
and they both have a love for New York.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Their dynamic is built.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
On mutual respect, trust, and sort of an understanding about
what it means to be a street level hero. Now
we're gonna talk about a little bit about where they
are in the MCU, and Marvel said, making universe for
as they were already out. Now, if you don't remember
spoils from movies and things that happened like two three
years ago, for God's sake, do you know if you're

(07:12):
listening to this podcast and you haven't watched this stuff,
I'm shocked. I'm shocked. I don't believe you. That's what
I'm gonna say right now. I don't believe you've watched
this stuff.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
You're listening to a podcast called Geek History Lesson. I'm
sure you hopped on to learn new history, but something
tells me you probably have a little bit of a
concept going in.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, okay, So Spider Man No Way Home, there was
a bunch of multiversal shenanigans right at the end of
that movie. Spider Man is now anonymous, he's broke, and
he's back to basics, and his aunt May is dead.
So that's where he is right now. Daredevil is basically
still Daredevil. He's still a lawyer. He's still got a
couple of friends. He might have, you know, had some

(07:52):
fun times with she Hulk on the side, and now
he's somehow gonna be born again. It's gonna be an
interesting scene when they actually show that with his mother.
I just I don't know how that's gonna works. So
they're all grounded, and you know, it kind of makes
sense that they're in the same city and that they
should team up and uh, you know, have a meeting.
So Eric, I want to ask you this, why do

(08:14):
you think Daredevil and Spider Man's friendship work so well
in the comic books, because there are some astounding Daredevil
Spider Man team up stories.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah. I think that they have a great dynamic in
terms of one is light, one is dark, one is
coming of age, and one is like gritty and mature
to the point of being jaded. It's just it's essentially
kind of a older brother younger brother type relationship.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
It's a good way to put it, and seeing.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Daredevil kind of seeing like, Okay, this is what I
used to be in terms of a bit more cheerful
and swashbuckley m nineteen seventies Dared oubl Yeah, yeah, yeah,
and the Mark Wade. The Mark Wade run from a
couple of years back to probably longer than that, because
time is I.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Think that was pretty pandemic.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, you're right, ye, nearly half a decade ago, if
not more like you don't have.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
To remember every run, it's impossible. Yeah, it happened a
while back. They're in hardcovers that we know it was
a well ago. Exactly, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
But it's kind of like it's not too different from
a Superman Batman dynamic in terms of just you know,
because one guy is meant to strike fear and be
fearless and the other is just your literally your friendly
neighborhood spider Man.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
There's also another thing, and I literally just hopped onto
this as you were talking about through those is that
one of them is an officer of the law, like
literally sworn to the State of New York, and the
other one is the most purest, maybe purest form of
a vigilante that has ever been. It's just some kid
who decided to put on a suit and figure stuff out. Yep,
So let's talk about this street level heroes. It's something

(09:50):
we haven't seen in the MCU, right, the MCU not
since Netflix.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Now, yeah, the MCU.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Has been you know, cosmic global, big, explodey skybeams left,
right and center. We have stuff like Thor, we have
stuff like the Avengers, We have stuff like Guardians of
the Galaxy. You know, do you think a street level
storyline in the main and MCU, because that's the thing
that we have to you know, we have three seasons
of a daredable show and I actually really enjoy all

(10:15):
three seasons. Yes, same, But the MCU is not really
a street level franchise because when they made those shows,
they originally were like they're yeah, they're part of the MCU,
even though all we would see was newspaper headlines. Right now,
since they've gotten the you know, the rights to them,
they are fully a part of the MCU. Now, do

(10:36):
you think the MCU needs to switch their focus or
even expand their focus to street level superheroes, like officially
embrace that. You think that'd be a positive or negative?

Speaker 2 (10:47):
I think it's a positive because the thing if that
is is I they superhero movies are seen as a genre.
I can see superheroes becoming more of a medium HM
in terms of well a meetium within a genre. Right
like there are different types of duma, there's different types

(11:07):
of noir movies. There's comedic noir, you know, like The
Big Lebowski and so on and so forth. Superhero movies
can have that type of access in the sense of
big MCU movies for the last twenty years now going
on in twenty years now, like you said, big epics,
big thing, galactical steaks. They're fighting, they're literally fighting aliens,

(11:28):
they're literally fighting in robots and now instead of But
the big challenge with that is like, Okay, how can
we take these godlike problems and all that stuff and
ground them to be believable. Now you have the reverse
in which we have these ground like problems and all
this type of stuff in which we can enhance them
with superheroes, superpowers, see everybody. And that's powerful. And that's

(11:50):
the thing that makes it powerful. That's the thing that
makes it a little bit more different than the that's
that's what makes you know, because the problem with MCU
movies is the latest a Man Looked exactly looked and
sounded and was pretty much just like the latest thor movie.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah and all that, and they've become very homogenized.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Exactly yeah, exactly, And this is a way to kind
of like change things up, force more creativity and create
like I think, different dynamic.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
I think that what you just said, I think that
it is the reason why everybody is so jazzed for
this new dared Level show because that first three seasons
of the Netflix dart Level Show is so distinct. It
has a very specific tone. It is like dark and broody,
and Matt Murdoch is going to sulk in a corner

(12:42):
like nobody else.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, Thor doesn't have to care about rent.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Exactly exactly or even like you know, hiding your secret
identity or your girlfriend or you're you know, like it
is interesting because.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Thor isn't impacted by taxes.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
That's something we should talk about the secret identity of
this all because for basically it's we're in a weird
position right now. And you know, speaking of weird positions,
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an entity. So we got to talk about this. Yes,
we have three Spider Man movies. Okay, in the Marble
sin Men in you know, fun fact, it's funny. I

(13:58):
was having a conversation with Ashley recently and she said
that she was having a conversation with a friend.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
So this is hears say this would not hold up
in court. She said that her Murdoch would tear this apart.
Objection is exactly what he would say.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
She said that she was talking with a friend and
the friend was like, oh, you know, like that Spider
Man two, And my wife actually said which Spider Man two,
And I was like, oh, there are three Spider three
spider Man Two's technically we have three Marvel Cinematic Spider
Man movies, and yeah, he has a secret identity in them,

(14:33):
but kind of like the big thrust of the Marvel
movies secret identities. Really, I mean the first Marvel Cinematic
Universe movie, I Am Ironman Boom, the secret identities out
capt America doesn't have a secret identity, so he sort
of has a secret identity, but not really.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
The secret identity is not Peter Parker because no one
knows who he is. Yeah, yeah, but they know who
Spider Man is. But we have also three seasons of
a Daredevil show where like keeping the secret identity is
one of the the main storylines. It is almost central
to the plot that Matt Murdoch is like, I can't
let anybody find out I'm Daredevil. Yeah, and that's what
makes the relationship with the king pinzol juicies. The Kingdom

(15:10):
knows he's dared level and decides to hold it for
reasons because he's dastardly. But we are at this point
where you know, in the MCU, now Peter Parker is
finally like it took us four movies to get to
where he's actually Spider Man. I like it, though, do
you Okay? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Okay, so I let let's let's just get this out
of the sure, out of the way. Sure, I'll just
throw this out there. I think Tom Holland is is
a really great Peter Parker Spider Man agreed. I think
he's really good. I think that Michael Giachino music is
flipping amazing, although I still, obviously I think the Danny
eelfon the Spider Man theme is still tops, but Michael
Gino really good music. That the music is all. I

(15:50):
listen to it a lot. I'm not a huge fan
of the MCU Spider Man movies primarily, and I think
primarily is because they just feel like Iron Man Junior
movies to me, because his suit is so technological and
I know it's something different, but it's interesting to me.
Like I when the ending of Knowing Home happened, I

(16:12):
very much was like, oh, he's finally Spider Man.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Now. That's why I like it because that's the build up,
is that now we have. But that's the thing is
we've done through those three movies, we got a different perspective, right, okay,
and then towards the very end, now that we are
going to have this Peter Parker that has the newness
of the new familiarity right in terms of okay, he's

(16:36):
the Peter Parker that we've been grown, we've grown into
knowing how this origin starts. But he himself has already
like he can go in different directions with it, as
opposed to okay, since he's new, he has to flob
off a lot, or he has to go through this
trauma and that trauma and all that. But now it's like, oh,
he gets that. He gets the same start as the

(16:57):
original Spider Man, but all of the baggage it's done,
it's already happened. So now we can go forth and
just have the Spider Man. And it's like, well, he
already has the po the the trauma of the lost
aunt and uncle. He already has all the issues with

(17:17):
this what do you and now? But now he's like, okay,
I've lived with money. Now I have to live without money,
and all that type of stuff. He has a bigger
loss at the start, but at the same time he
has the experience of being a hero and he has
saved the world technically, and now he's starting all over
and everyone's going to underestimate him.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Well, let's let's put this out here. You know, the
title of this episode is pretty obvious. You know why
Spider Man and Daredevil deserve an MCU team up movie.
Do you agree with that statement?

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yes or no? I agree?

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Okay, cool, I did too, because, like I will say that.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Like Charlie Cox needs to be on the big screen.
Charlie Cox, on top of all other reasons. I've said
this for multiple podcasts. I think Charlie Cox cast as
Matt Murdoch is as perfect a casting as Hugh Jackman
as Wolverine. Like I do not like it's in one
of those moments happened when actors are just so perfect

(18:11):
for their role it really just lies. But I have
he literally doesn't have a bad scene to me, Like
it's like, I there's not like there are there are
other scenes in the dareduvel TV show.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
That I'm like, I don't know about that, but it's
never one of his scenes, and when he showed up
in Spider Man No Way Home, just as Matt Murdoch.
To me immediately, I was like, yeah, I understand why
they were like, we can't recast this guy. We cannot
there's this nobody like and if we even tried to
find another actor, it would be I would hate to
put that burden on an actor because that actor would

(18:46):
go to fan conventions left, right and center and they'd
be like, well, what do you think about Charlie Cox?
What do you think you know? And that would be
such a burden to put on that new actor. So
I appreciate that they were just like, yeah, get Charlie
Cox in. So all right, let's talk about this.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
One, and.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Let's rewind a little bit. Okay. I am shocked, beyond shocked,
and I assumed it was a rights issue that we
did not see Charlie Cox in a venders in game
for even just one scene.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I think you're right. I think it was a rights issue. Yeah,
because or any of the defenders for that matter, exactly.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
You know, because I said for years and I was
actually surprised as didn't happened when Spider Man and Iron
Man are like chasing one of the Thanos' assistants.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, you know that's what he calls. Don't go forth
my assistance. I can't remember anything. I know.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
They all have weird names like Obsidian Orphan and Blackness
Battie Guy, and like they're not No, it's not dark order.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
That's a wrestling term. It's something like something order. It
does OBSI in order. Yes, that's what it was.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, So like you might as well just say we're
the bad guys. So when they're you know, like chasing
those guys through the streets of New York, I really
expect them. Just like cut to a scene of like
the Four Defenders from Netflix sitting in a diner booth
just being like and to be like should we help,
and then Luke k'e being like, no, na, man, that's
above our.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah yeah, above my pay grade. Yeah we'll just stay
on the street, like literally above my pay grade. Yeah, exactly.
Like I was so and I was like, man, they'll
least do Charlie Cox. They'll least do Charlie Cox.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
It'll probably be a scene of him just watching a
TV but you know what, I will take it. So
I was surprised that we waited until no way Home,
and it is this thing of like, look, let's just
take the rights issues out of it, because I know,
like the Spider movies are sort of controlled by Sony.
Yeah up until this moment, Daredevil is controlled by Netflix.
Now he's not, so we're still gonna have I bet

(20:43):
you there might be some Sony shouldn't nanigast, but like
I know there we're gonna get a Spider Man for it.
They've talked about it. There's some people think that they
might even already have filmed it.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, there's too much money to be made to not
do it.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Well, it's the whole reason why Sony has like never
given up the rights right because it's a it's a no, no, they'll.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Take they'll take droplets of that teet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Sure, I mean I think the only reason why X
Men are finally in the MCU is just for the
simple reason that twenty century Fox went out.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Of business or they got bought out. They got bought
that's literally it.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah, But Spider Man four almost seems like because Marvel's
in this big trend of team up movies and to me,
like doing literally a movie called Spider Man and Daredevil
would be fantastic. I think it would be really rock
and especially with these two actors.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
I think it would be like I I like, I
would make it the fifth Spider Man movie. But yeah,
oh yeah, okay, we're gonna all right, everybody, hold on second,
we have some messages that we have to take. We
have some sponsors that have talked to us by all means,
and I need we need to dig into this. Why
you think Spider Man and Daredevil needs to be Spider
Man five, And we're gonna get to that right for this,

(21:49):
all right, get us with us, and we're back. We're
talking about Spider Man and Daredevil, and I have my
own Spider Man or Daredevil back with me. Eric Barnes,
which one is he? It's up to you to decide.
All right, I'm Foggy Nelson. Let's get let's be honest
with everybody.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, you're You're probably right, You're probably right. The crappy
thing is I'm probably Captain American. So I'm neither one
of these people either Spider Man Daredevil. Yes, I said
I thought it'd be perfect for Spider Man four. You
said you think it should be Spider Man five. Yes, okay,
so let we we know this, like we're two gentlemen

(22:25):
that work in the Hollywood business, international.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Issue gentleman within the curd of arts.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yes, here's your pipe as you smoke, and yes, there
you go, yes in your top hat. So yeah, we
only drink champagne because we're Hollywood elites.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
So us I like a dry sheriff every once in
a while. Oh yes, I have a nice nineteen sixty eight. Yes, yes,
go full Frasier.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
That's where I went. Yeah, that's my only reference to sherry.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Have you tried share? By the way, It's awful, It's terrible.
It is No, I think the fancy to drink the
worst it tastes, and you're fooling yourself otherwise. Well yeah,
and that's the thing, is that that's the con. That's
the con on the rich, right, Yeah? Is that the
fanciest thing I can't think of. It's like that movie
as good as it gets, when he finds out that
the coffee is actually made out of like the turds

(23:14):
of some rodent. I have not thought about as good
as it gets? Just did go google that movie? Everybody? Yeah? Yeah,
just see Jack Nicholson and hold that.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
You know, I'm gonna throw out a fighting man statement here.
You know, you said the fancier gets the worst it gets.
I actually think the best beer is the mid tier beers.
I think the lower beers stuck and the top tier
beer stuck. It's the midwer lower tier beers is water exactly.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, all right, so you said you think it should
be Spider Man five. Okay, because we know what we're again,
we're elites. We know that there's gonna be another We're
gonna you know, there's gonna be another Spider Man trilogy.
There's just no way. It's not good. They've I guarantee,
they've already signed him for it. Of course because those
other movie these the last one made a billion dollars,
they're going to do it billion dollars.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
And also, what is Tom Holland currently doing nothing? Exactly,
Marian Zendia, that's what it is. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
which is fine. If that's if he's actually like soft retired,
that's cool too. But go with God.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
But let's be honest. He doesn't have to work again.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
But no he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
But he's going to do three more Spider Man movies.
I guarantee it.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
So in maybe three more Revengers movies, because he's probably
in every one of them.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
I'm in the camp up they're secretly making one.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Y Oh yeah, yeah, I know, because the rumor is
that everybody think they're shooting at a universal right now
because they've seen him around the studio. I feel like
he's he's a he's a giving me smirks and wings.
I think I feel like Eric is an insider, a
Hollywood elite insider. He knows something here, all right, So
why spider Man five? What do you think needs to
happen in spider Man four? Or why why the thing
of like, let's make the team up movie the middle

(24:47):
of this next shop.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Just because the last movie was technically a team up movie.
It was him with other Spider Man. That's fair, that's fair,
And we need to establish what the new status quo
is with this Peter Parker, Oh okay, so what would
you what do you for your flavor? What do he
needs for to be? What I what would you.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Like it to be?

Speaker 2 (25:05):
What I need Spider Man for to be is to essentially,
like I said, establish the new status quo. Get everyone
else from his orbits. Reactions to this new Spider Man,
because we haven't seen that yet.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
And there's no way, there's no way in heck that
we don't. I mean zendayas Mary Jane is going to
be in all three of these movies too, of course,
but they might give her. They might give him a
different girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
They might, they might do that. They might get away Mike,
get a Gwen Stacey here. J Jonah jameson this time
might be a champion for Spider Man, at least initially,
for all we know.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
So again, talk about perfect casting.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
That JK Simmons. They him make it until that man
passes on. Uh, just let him be JK.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Let him.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
I almost said, let him be himself, let us let him,
Let him be JK.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Simmons, and these let him play Santa Claus at as
many weird movies as he wants.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Let my let my former co worker JK. Simmons. I
was on a farmer's commercial with him. Really, Oh yeah, yeah,
I was dressed like a shrub. You can't recognize me,
but yes, uh, by the way, literally a month later
he won an Oscar and I'm like, oh Jesus.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
By the way, the shrub would be a great villain
for the m C U. So let's make it hashtag
the Shrub.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Hashtag the Shrub. Me please, that's what I'm saying. You've
established the Shrub as an enemy of Ja Joner Jean's
you can't stop me, Spider Man, Shrub, I'm the Shrub.
You know. Here's the que madly getting your way. Here's
the here's the craziest thing. I could see that being
a real villain in for Spider Man. I'm just I'm

(26:42):
getting tangled, Yeah, get tangled in the shrub. How would
he stop you? He throws like he throws. He he
just shakes me off and walks away. He doesn't water you. Yeah, yeah,
you overwatered me, Spider Man. There you Oh no, my

(27:03):
greatest weakest weakness, a landscape driven gy is He's just
he just sheer, just just takes the lecture, cheers, and
I'm shaped like a unicorn afterward, like, ah, now I
look fanciful. This will wake so like was the god
I wish. I wish the Shrub was the villain of

(27:24):
Spider Man. Listen, we're riding amid. That's the beginning scene
of Spider Man. For he he fights off the lowest level.
That's how it opens. It opens when he when he
like takes out Stiltman or some D list level.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
You know you've read a villain, you've read the Brian
Michael Bennis Ultimate Spider Man red one of the greatest
Spider Man runs of all time.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
I think.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, one of the best gags that Brian Michael Bendis
did in that series was that, you know how the
Shocker keeps showing up? Yeah, and they and it's funny
because I actually I actually loved the Choker with his
weird velvet pattern.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Listen, the man must be But in the Polster Shocker
is great.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah, Pulter Schocker is great. But Ultimate's Spider Man. They
made him like once in every arc. They he was
just a guy that had like weird shocker guns and
he had bad sunglasses, and it was the idea that
he kept showing up and then Spider Man would immediately
defeat him in one page and the shock was like, ah,
I'm back in the Shocker, and then like Spider Man
just be like you again, and he'd be like, oh

(28:20):
Jesus and I just got out of jail. And so
he was just the running gag. So I'm totally I
would so I make.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
That yeah, that's that's perfect. But yeah, I think that
the But ultimately I think that this new Spider Man
who know what? And that's the no one knows who
it is. Towards the end of the movie. It's like
all these other Avengers and so forth, are like, I
know who you are, and you know who I am

(28:47):
and all that. How come we don't know this guy?
That's weird? Yeah, right, so here, let me let me
and and maybe he's involved in some form of controversial
thing towards the end of that movie. And that's what
leads into spider Man five, in which Matt Murdoch has
to defend Spider Man in this case and so and

(29:10):
on top of that, Spider Man thinks that Daredevil is
a problem, and then Daredevil's going to be like Spider
Devil is going to fight Spider Man at least until
like act two. While at the same time, Matt Murdoch
is trying to defend this person that he finds out
is like okay, yeah, even if he does. Spider Man
confesses to him, I'm Peter Parker. He looks up Peter

(29:32):
Parker and he's like, he has no back history. All
these years are like there are gaps and all that.
I don't know, you know, there's no record of who
his parents are, there's none of this. Why is this gone?

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Let me ask you this because you know, any comic
fan out there kind of knows that what we're talking
about was, especially because the biggest problem to this, to
me is is the memory wipe of it all of
the years, right, because it's very similar to that story
called Brand New Day that Marvel did where Spider Man
made a deal with the devil they often maligned. Yeah, yeah,

(30:05):
you know, and the rightfully and weirdly, weirdly, the the
initial run right after that, everybody forgot that Spie Peter
Parker was Spider Man because he revealed does that in
any of the world that.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Initial year is not that bad.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Actually, I think it's some pretty good storylines because they
just went back to basics and they just made it
like they were like, we're not gonna deal that nobody
knows him. We're not gonna mention that the world doesn't remember.
We're just gonna tell it's Spider Man and he's fighting
some villains and his secret identities back. That's all we did.
And then and then eventually they got into the whole
thing where he started pulling his mask off and like
the Fantastic Four was, oh I remember now, and they

(30:38):
brought in all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
So so for me, I.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Would say for the MCU, I would just be like,
don't ever mention no way home again, just like so
like to me, just don't mention it. But you gotta
do it with Mary Jane, I know, because to me,
the weird thing is I don't want to see a
bunch of scenes in a movie where he like takes
off his mask and they're like Peter Parker, I remember
that movie.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
It's either I would accept that if only there was
one scene in which, you know, doctor Strange, like it's
like let me Spider Man, let's talk over here, and
he goes, listen, I know what's going on. I ain't
gonna I know who you are and all that. I
just had a revelation and then figured out what has happened.

(31:20):
I ain't gonna. I'm not gonna rat you out. Yeah,
And I'll be like, oh, okay, because that would make
sense to kind of just at least have that type
of tension in that way he has someone to talk
to about, like listen, I and and just.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Strange me, like my magic is out there. I can
tell yeah, you know what. I like that because otherwise, like,
because the way the way these movies are made, because
again we know we're gonna have Spider Mantulergy, we also
know we're going to get an avengerss Really it's gonna happen,
and he's he's gonna be in it. And as we've
seen them film them, they can't have any of the
actors wear a mask more than five seconds.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
So yeah, yeah, send the contract.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Three seconds into the next Avengers movie, he's his mask
is gonna come off because he's not actually wearing a
mask anytime on set. It's all CGI, which is bonkers
to me. It's bonkers to me that they've never made
a Spider Man suit. For I almost curst right there too.
For Tom Olive, it's literally he's literally wearing a mocap suit.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah, And to me, I'd be like, wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
You want to make a Spider Man suit? It looks cool, man,
Every version of Spider Man suit looks cool. I would
love I would love it if they went to a
Halloween shop and bought a Spider Man costume. Because because
some company made it much better than their costume designers.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Did you know?

Speaker 2 (32:33):
It's funny? It is? It is some of those things
where inspired by the CGI mocap.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
You know, there is a guy, uh, there's a gentleman.
I do not know his name. He's an amazing cosplayer
and I always see him at San Diego and he dresses.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Like even better buy from a fan.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, he draw he dresses as comic book accurate from
the X Men Apocalypse.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
And I remember the first time I saw him was
around when Oscar Isaac Apocalypse and X Men Apocalypse, and
it was like night and day where you were like,
this is a dude who probably spent like a thousand
bucks in his garage and look at that, Oh my god.
And this is a movie that probably spent five hundred
thousand dollars in this costume and home guys, you made

(33:18):
every wrong decision.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Tony start building in a cave with scraps. Yeah, so
you're probably right here.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
So I guess I say that because like, yeah, I
don't I don't know those Avenger movies. I would rather
just be like, yeah, doctor Strange's knowledge is and then
we just move on, just move on that Peter Parker
has a secret identity. Most of the Avengers don't know
who he is. Mus move on, all right, but let's
talk about Daredevil Spider Man here. Okay, so you talked
about Spider Man for re establishing the status quo. Okay,

(33:43):
there's a lot of rumors out there and who knows, right,
there's a lot of rumors out there that Spider Man
for might be a sinister six movie. You have a
thumbs up or thumbing it down.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
It die, Let this concept die. They've been trying to
do that for what fifteen years I.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Was gonna say, at least a decade.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, now in one in one Shade or another. They've
been trying to do that with the Raimi Spider Man,
with The Amazing Spider Man. They tried that too, or
at least they they were, like they kept hinting at it,
kept hinting. God, I hate it.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Both of those movies have seen they're ruining it because
there we have these octopus arms for no reason.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Well, that's that's the reason why all the current Sony
ones have you know, been uh, you know, I'm trying
to be diplomatic about of course, of course, that is
the reason Sony ones haven't performed well. Is they're promising
a story instead of giving us a story.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yes, And it's funny because we talked about this recently
on an but Madam Webb was so you know, we
we walk We talked about this another geekssy Lesson. We
were talking about those Sony Spider Man movies. And it's
funny because without Spider Man, by the way, there is
the Spider Man, the Spider Man without Spider Man movies. Yes,
it is funny because I actually do think that most

(35:02):
of them could is exactly what you said could have
worked actually if you just had told.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Us a good story about those characters.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
But the problem is is that all those movies hint
that they're like, well, there might be this Spider guy
out there, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Or using Michael Keaton as the Nick Fury right of
the whole thing, or at least sets the intention not
necessarily a bad instinct, but they don't give us any explanation,
any explanation, or any reason for them to because it
can't have Spider Man. And it'd be different if there
was like some form of Spider Man connection in terms

(35:37):
of well, in this individual story, in this individual's life.
It's all of a sudden and their life is ruined
by Spider Man, you know. And then then it's like, okay,
we're planting seats here as opposed to have you seen
Craven the Hunter?

Speaker 1 (35:52):
I saw the first nine minutes that were on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
There is a scene in which he is there are
I believe he's hallucinating even I'm not even sure if
they were real. A bunch of spiders coming down on
webs in a forest and he is terrified because he's
got to be scared of spiders.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
You see. What why would you even do that?

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Because Spider Man.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
I know, but you know, Craven the Hunter again is
one of the characters Spider Man. Jason, Okay, you thank you.
You are a Holly because Spider Man you are a
Hollywood elite. I understand.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
But but yeah, that's and that's the thing is I
think we need to cool it. Here's what you do.
You make some great Spider Man movies and have these
characters may be introduced within those, Yeah, not ham fisted,
but if naturally a sinister six happens, that's when you
put it together that there lies the problem is they're

(36:48):
trying to and this was the problem in my opinion
with the DC movies for the longest time was oh,
you just want adventures. Yeah, But the reason that adventures
worked is we were able to craft all these different films
that were individual stories of individual characters to make us
care about them. Teaming up Sinator six is even worse

(37:10):
because they're not heroes.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
No, they're all villains. They're all villain And it's hard
to make a protagonist of despicable villain and actually make
you care about them. Yeah, it's hard. Now, Breaking Bad
did it well?

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Better?

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Calls all did it well? But all right, but those
are also television shows.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
There's also television shows that have what accumulatives like one
and hours, Yeah, exactly together all together. Yeah, if not
longer because those are out that's our long drama. But yeah,
in order to fully but I do say, like I said,
like it is the thing where like I for exactly
what the I do think that lot a lot of

(37:46):
those characters could have worked exactly if we didn't have
to be like talking about a spider Man that we
can't talk about it. Yeah, So I want to ask.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
You then, Okay, Eric Barnes, you're a Hollywood elite.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
You will get this call. Don't give me that l
for a myriad of reasons. I don't.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Okay, well, it's just not true Hollywood low boy. Okay,
that's that's the resident Hollywood president.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
In your perfect barely even that.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
I'm Sony Studios. You're no, I'm Sony stud I'm Kevin
Figee right here. I'm an executive right here, and I
say to you, hey, appreciate your work. Thank you, thank you.
I'm a big fan of Star Trek. I don't know
if you know this. I basically made the end of
Avengers in game the exact finale of all good things.
Start Trek T and GIF and great job. Oh, thank you,
thank you, thank you great so much. The next one,

(38:39):
start Trek five to the final fort T year. That's
the one we're gonna rip off. I know if you
know that.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Have you seen there a dancing scene? Uh?

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Sure, that's gonna happen the next one with like wow,
buckle up.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Okay, that's that's the secret. That's the secret. Ending the Thunderbolts.
Florence is going to do a fand Thunderbolts asterisk.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah yeah, oh, don't even give me a started with
that Yeah, that's the crazy Dark Avengers.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, it's gonna be dark as Secret Adventures or something like.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah. Can you imagine advertising a movie that Asterix like
and be like, well again, that's a whole other podcast.
All right, I want to do podcast, man, I've just
I don't.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Maybe I don't understand. Maybe this is why I'm not
a Hollywood elite, because I just don't understand advertising a
movie that Asterix and then thinking that's gonna work that
two weeks before the movie be like, here's the real title, everybody, here's.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
The thing is. I think it'll Uh. I hope it works.
I hope it's good. Hope it works. And I think
the reason why they think it works is because of
the fact they up until recently established a lot of
good will, Like they established a giant audience, and that's
what has happened. And on top of that, sometimes it's
not always the title that that gets people in.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Uh, that's true, that's true.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Do you like Edge of Tomorrow or Lived? I repeat,
I do? Oh which one? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Which one?

Speaker 2 (40:03):
It is? Exactly? I mean to see my point.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
That's also like, but you know, I'll say this, that
title to me didn't affect the movie either way.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
And when they and and when they started. All that
matters is if the movies good.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
And when Edge of Tomorrow is a bland title. Yeah,
it should have been called as a bland title. But yeah, yeah,
but I think Thunderbolts is a good title if you
actually use it right. But anyways, that's a whole another end.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
That's all.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Okay, I'm sorry, we have to take some more. We
have to take another as perfectly fine, but I do
want to find out. I'm gonna give you some time
to think about this, okay, Okay. I want to know
if I gave you all the control in the world
to write this script, I want to know who are
the Spider Man for villain or villains?

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Okay, Okay, we're.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Gonna find this out. Everybody read it for this, all right,
here's the lesson.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
We're back.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
We're talking about Spider Man and Daredevil teaming up.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Daredevil.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
According to our guest Eric Barnes, canno show up until
Spider Man five. Uh he said, so he put it hinted,
he put his foot down.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
He can could he have a cameo? Could he show
Spider Man for he open?

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Can he s open a diner and you know and
like sigh about something that Spider Man's doing.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
I'm gonna, I'm I'm gonna let you know with my uh,
with my shoot from the hip pitch that you that
you were making me do for Spider Man.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
For so spider Man for I've hired you. I'm Kevin
Figge again. Hello, Hi, I love your ball caps. Oh,
thank you, thank you?

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Uh, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I do love them? Yeah, you know? Do you know
that in disguising yourself in the MCU just to wear
a black ball cap and nobody can tell you're there?
Nobody can tell you.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Are you familiar with hymns?

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Mm?

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Are they a sponsor of the Key History lesson? They
are not. They are not. Well, if you listen to
a bunch of different podcasts, mister Figgi, you may not,
you know, do a little bit of research on hymns.
Maybe you don't need the ball caps. Oh interesting, that's
just throwing that out. Well.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
I actually called you because I need to find out
who is you know. I need you to write the
script for Spider Man for if I must. Yes, we're
shooting it right now.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Wow, we're gonna be giving pages that I need to
know who is the Spider Man villain or villains that
are the villain of this movie, and then you don't
even have to be Spider Man vllains.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
You know, we do a lot of crazy things here
in the MCU.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
I'm gonna say, we're gonna do a shock of redemption.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
The shock of redemption was this.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
You wanted to keep this PEG. I did keep this PG,
but just the way you said it, I don't know,
like I will you know for the patrons, I will,
I will tell you what a shock of redemption is. Uh,
in like twenty minutes or however long can hold me
to it. By the way, okay, Uh, he's literally taking

(42:40):
notes writing down Shakra redemption, so you don't forget. But no,
we're gonna have the character of the Shaker. I'm gonna
be gonna be played by.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Oh you're gonna cast them too. I love this.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Oh you know I'm making my job all parking it
out there. I'm gonna I'm gonna say, we need like
a street a street level shocker. I'm gonna say someone, Uh, race,
gender don't matter.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
So am I wrong that we've already seen the Shaker?
Didn't we see him? In or it was hinted that
it was his weapons were there in the no Way
home or Home spider Man Home Away from What the
hell are those movies called Spider Man Home from the
prom Homecoming?

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Sure? Maybe? Oh yeah, this is.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
This is why those subtitles are so damn confusing. No,
or was it scorpious Spider Man? I think we saw
a whole anyways, it doesn't matter anyway, who wasn't who you?

Speaker 2 (43:29):
We're gonna recast them. It doesn't matter who's your shot.
I'm trying to think of someone unproblematic. It's not working well,
gonna be then the Hollow, But well, I don't know.
I think a good antagonist against Spider Man, and possibly
a good chockra would be this is This is very
uncreative casting, and I'm showing my age hair. I'm gonna

(43:51):
say Adrice Elbo even though he was in Thor shut up?
Uh or someone someone akin to that. Uh? Actually actually no, no,
actually I want this person as a shock. I want
Sterling K. Brown. Sterling K. Brown. That's a good choice.

(44:11):
He would make a good would make a great villain shocker.
But he is bankrolled by the Kingpin Wilson Fisk okay.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Oh so it leads to start what I'm saying, So,
so Daredebel could be our scene.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yes, you like this, and that's the deal. And and
that's the thing is that we keep this Spider Man
street level and that'll be the thing that's different from
all the other pret Spider Man.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Can I put a little frosting on your pitch? Is
that okay here, Kevin fi of course you can. You
could do whatever you wanting to me. Let's do let's invert,
or let's let's do it, do a nice little wink
back to the classic everybody thought Spider Man had killed
Norman Osborne. So the ending I think with spider Man
four is that everybody is convinced that Spider Man killed

(44:54):
the Shaker. Yeah, so that is where we get your
earlier pitch. Spider Man is on trial for spider Man five,
and his lawyer is uh mat, yeah, you know, and
we and of course we lean into the all of
it so we can have these classic court room scenes.
But Spider Man is sitting there, yeah, you know, which
I think is something that I wonder.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
To see if you have and if you have somebody
like an up and comer that or you know, someone
that did a breakthrough performance, you know, for the Shaker
role by all means.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Yeah, you know what, And let's let's get even nerdier
in here. You know, I know, we had the Sarcoviia
Chords of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, where like, secret identities
aren't thing. Let's say that the thing that ended that
civil war was that Tony Stark introduced some new piece
of legislation to protect identities. So it's like similar to
this Charles soul Darl Daredevil run that he did, where
it's like we treat because there are so many heroes,
there are so many vigilantes, we can treat. They can

(45:49):
keep their secret identities if they want, in sort of
like so they can be witnesses.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Either that or maybe that could be the crux of
the trials. Like listen, this guy, this guy isn't even
a registered hero exactly.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
He's doing exactly, but we can't get we can't get
rid of the secret identity of this early. I'm sorry, no, no,
that's that's not gonna happ so, Okay, so we we
might have talked about it earlier. Okay, we got the
trial of Spider Man. Spider Man five. Yeah, you know,
we got Daredevil is his lawyer of course doesn't believe him.
So the first act is they got a fight. Then

(46:21):
the second act is they sort of team up, and
then the third act is they go against the real villain.
Did you mention who you think is the real kingmin
is supporting those throughout all of this, Well.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
The main villain, Kingpinnon would be the main villain in
Spider Man five, but he is bank rolling the Shocker
and Spider Man four. Okay, so that's kind of the roofie.
So who are Daredevil and Spider Man gonna punch in
the face? And Spider Man five then and Spider Man five,
it's gonna it's gonna be a knockdown trying out with
Wilson Fisk and let's say Tombstone, like get a couple
of Spidery heavies. Maybe since we are not acknowledging the

(46:52):
Sony verse and all that make it the Rhino, it
just have Rhino kind of be was is not that
he needs it personally, but because he is above fiscal combat.
He just I said, this is to just get Tombstone
and Rhino to kind of be his two his two heavies.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
This is uh, this is Jason here, not Kevin is
Rhino and Craven the Hunter.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Okay, sorry, sorry, Harry. The way you said that, I
was like, is the Rhino in that movie? Yeah? Oh boy,
because Sinister six has to happen. Yes, because Spider Man.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Well, I tell you, we have these octopus limbs just
sitting in the clock and we're not doing anything with them.
It's like somebody should call themselves doctor octopus ters even crazy.
I remember, I mean the Spider Man two.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Chris Cooper.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
I think one of the honestly one of the greatest
living actors living right now, doesn't get enough credit.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Oscar w Uh.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
I just remember there was a scene in The Amazing
Spider Bit Too where he was like talking to the glists.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
See senator that you need to root against is how
Chris Cooper?

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Oh yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Or the perfect Redneck.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
It's Chris Cooper or the cowboy Chris Cooper. But I
just remember he felt bad for him. He was doing
some scene and he was sick, and it was like
and and and and and he was like this.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
He said some line where it was like and this
disease makes me feel like a goblin. And I was like,
oh my god, yeah, it's funny that you mentioned that
talking about rhino. Uh do you mind about spoil something?

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Okay, we have a if you haven't seen Crave in
the Hunter, skip ahead about No.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
I want you to listen to this, you know, because
I don't want you to watch Craven.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Okay, fair enough, go ahead, give me thisaw So the
rhino is some guy, Okay, some guy that just looks
like just ur some guy just not like around around
your dimensions, you you look like around my dimensions around
a mild manner person.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
And he has a tank and like a tube from
that tank into his abdomen, uh zach keeps him from
rhinoing out. So he's bane. Is he bane from is
reverse bane? And as soon as he takes it out,
his hardens and he becomes bigger, and he turns into

(49:04):
essentially the thing, but with a pointy horn. And that's
the right.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
So it's not even like and you're gonna love this reverence.
It's not even like a rock Steady from teenage manin.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
No, it's not even that, because rock Steady is at
least fun. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
So he's just like a blob with a bud not
even a blob weird, He's just some guy.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
And then he becomes then he hulks out with rock
features than a horn, and that's the rhine. I was like,
I got thick skin now. And then as soon as
he puts the you know, the tank and the two
back together, he reverts back to just being a person. Look,
this is the thing where and it's a jackal and
hide thing only crappier.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
You know this as a writer, like there's a there
is a certain point where, And I've noticed this a lot,
especially in terms of franchisees in the last ten years.
Sometimes it is okay to repeat. I understand that there
are so many superheroes.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Sometimes it's okay to just be a dude in a suit, yes,
because I've I say this because the thing that makes
the thing that could have made And I know we
saw the rhino in the Amazing Spider Man two, the
second of the Spider Man twos. Underrated rhinos as far
as you know, and he was just like a MECHXU guy,
but told your body have a good time. Yes, But
like the thing that makes, the thing that would make

(50:17):
that unique is just the character and how you treat
the character. You don't have to like completely reinvent the Wheel.
And what you just described to me is like we
have reinvented the Wheel so much that it there's no
even point to even call him this character the Rhino. No,
there isn't. There wasn't there like that.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
That is the point, Like you've gone so and you
could say that. I think about a lot of the
Sony Spider Man movies as well.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Well, that's the thing is that a lot of the
stuff starts with, well, you see certain things. You're like, oh,
the writer was embarrassed with by the source material because
they decided I want to write a different character. I
didn't just give it that label as opposed to just
taking the character that's already there and enhancing it.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
I'm going to defend a couple of these Sony Verse
writers because I think to get a bum wrap. And
I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Say I'm not going to blame the writers because they
were given a job and there could have been creative
decisions outside of them that they had to They had
to serve many you know this. Yeah, being a professional,
I also have to do this. You have to serve
many masters. It's not It's not like they invented Rhino

(51:20):
or they invented whatever. It is a it is an
established ip that is owned by people nine times bigger
than they are. So they have to do certain things
where they are influenced and asked to do certain.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
I think there were a couple of people signing paychecks
that told them how.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
To do certain things. I can I whole hardly agree.
Maybe they maybe they had a vision of Rhino that
would have been fantastic, but someone upstairs is like, yeah,
we should use it because we need him for the
Sinister Six. But I don't like the how this character goes.
How about this? And there was like nine different drafts
and they settled upon that that could that could easily

(51:57):
be the thing. It's it's a lot of a lot
of the stuff. And I think the issue with Sony
and some of mc U and just movies in general
is that it turns into creativity by committee, and that
can mess things up in terms of like we're going
in so many different directions, we end up direction lists
as opposed to one as opposed to a different collaboration,

(52:18):
which is I have this vision, I have this other vision.
Let's see how these two can actually yep, organic and
that marry and that's where it becomes content and not art. Yes, yes,
all right, So spider Man four and five your your
epic dualogy? Sure do you can?

Speaker 1 (52:35):
I give you what can? I give you my pitch
for what I think the time I was.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
You are the host of the show. It is your show.
People want to hear you.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Okay, I would call it Spider Man and Daredevil colin
New York Nights with a K.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
All right, you know, get a little bit of that
Marvel Night's flavor.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Yeah, yeah, all right, Eric, I'm gonna pitch. I'm gonna
put you under the gun here thet way, okay, right right,
I'm sorry. I know I sound like I'm Jason, but
I'm Kevin Fie. Again. No, I like your two Spider
Man movies. But I have some notes and I have
some adjustments from Disney.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
I welcome them. Okay. So there I like to be
hired as a professional writer, so therefore I welcome said notes. Okay,
I have some notes.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
I have some adjustments, and I would like to hear
how you would adjust Spider Man four or five. With
these adjustments. We have the stockholders say we have to
do this.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
So we have to do this of course. Yeah. First off,
I was talking about you know, dared nors cases becomes
a tax right off?

Speaker 1 (53:33):
There you go there exactly. We can dump it on
HBO Max. Right indeed, we as Zusney, can dump it
on HBO Max if.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Disney chooses to, and if certain regulations get lifted, that
could be reality. Yes, but please please tell me, mister figgie,
what would you ask?

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Don't we don't think there's enough legal drama in the
Daredevil storyline, so and we need to like sell some
more action figure. So how would you adjust if Howard
the Duck was Daredevil's legal.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Assistant, how would I adjust?

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Yeah, Howard the Duck is now Daredevil as now Matt
Murdock's legal assistant in Spider Man. F it just is okay,
we just don't acknowledge it.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
He's just a duck that needs work and he's he
is being discriminated against because he is an outer light
form even though he is legally he is legally within
these United States and deserves a job. He shows some
form of organizational aptitude in front of Matt Murdoch and
Murdoch just look, sentiment says you're hired.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Oh, I like this okay?

Speaker 2 (54:28):
And it's like, really because I look like this, and
he goes, I'm blind. I don't care and then moves on.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Marketing also says we might get some bonus points if
we bring back Leah Thompson as his girlfriend is though
you are you okay with that?

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Leah Thompson as has Howard the Tuck's girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Yeah, because Leja Thompson is Howard the Duck's girlfriend in
the original five.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
If I may, do you really just want to make
a Howard the Duck movie because I can write that
for you too well.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
I mean, you know, Leah is an amazing director now,
she really is.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
She can direct herself. Would you be okay if she
was directing Spider Man five? I would be perfectly fine
with her directing Spider Man Fie. I'm the writer. I
don't care.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Cool okay, Dan, She's gonna be in it, and she's
gonna direct it, and and we're gonna set up the
Howard the Duck movie that you're gonna write.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Okay. Cool affect. I also more work for me A
lot of people, you know, the Zaddi craze is big
out there right now. It is very and you know,
Charlie COB's a fellow ZADDI.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
I know Charlie cox is a big zaddy. He very much, okay,
and people Tom All is a little old for to
activate that right, we can't really get that last of us,
not Mandalorian vibe. Okay, give it another five years. Yes,
So I need a scene in this movie. It's also
been great synergy for the Fantasy four movie. I need
a scene where Spider Man and daredb will have to
babysit Franklin.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Richard's mm hmm okay, to get Pedro Pascal in there
in order to increase the zattiness. Let's say, just in
a passing cat in Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
I want to see spider I want to see Spider
Man and Daredevil as dad sure with a baby.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Are you sure? Are you sure you don't want this
again to be a separate film? No, I'm pretty certain.
I need this go full three men and a baby.
But it's Spider Man, Daredevil and mister Fantastic.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Oh no, actually, let's slought out mister Fantastic. Let's put
cgi the thing in there, and it's three to even better,
three heroes and a baby indeed. Okay, okay, so that's
gonna be after Spider Man.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
It will decrease the zaddiness. Though, Well, let's we'll put.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
A beard on the thing. How about that? C G
I bear fair?

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Okay, all right? Hair on rock is different? Yeah, you know. Also,
Wicked is big.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Now it's huge.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Wicked is big, but you know what Wicked is big?
Mister fig.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
I need a musical number.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
You need a musical number. I need a musical number.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Okay, So I would like to know. I need one
of these guys to sing. So I'd like to know
who do you think is going to sing? Spider Man
or Daredevil? And what kind of a tone of a
musical song will A speak?

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Tom Holland has shown musical prowess and has done choreographed bits.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
I don't pay anything but Marvel. So I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Yeah, yeah, even though I know what Wicked is of course, yes, yes,
well it is it. You just know this based on
the numbers. Yes, all I attend to do bank statements,
bank statements, numbers, podcasts about Spider Man, like do you
want a full fledged musical or just a musical number
within I think just the number I think I think

(57:05):
we just need to then then, uh, what what occurs
is that Spider Man has to chase a particular let's
just say, a low level villain or maybe an unnamed
thug into uh a Broadway show trying to sneak into
the crowd and all that, and he has stumbled upon
like the spotlight ends up on him and all that.

(57:27):
He's breaking up a musical number and has to just
yes and and dance along with it. And then you know,
take certain parts like let's say it's the music Man
or something like that.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Do you think you think it's too on the nose
if we if he literally wanders into the Spider Spider
Man into the Dark, well being that that.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Is a Broadway failure and we will not show. Yeah,
but we marvel. We could bring it back. You could
bring it back. Fix it.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
I mean we fixed Dared Level.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
I mean the way mister f Yes, if I may,
we fix the X Men too. I don't know if
you know this. You did fix the X Men if
I may, and we're going to fix it. The best.
The best way to do Spider Man Turn Off the
Dark in terms of reboot is to be either to
not reference it at all or as a self own

(58:12):
in terms like yeah, we know it didn't quite work, haha, okay,
and if that's how and you know, I'm fine with that, yeah,
because it shows humility within the company and you still
make money and then Marvel could fix Broadway if that
that onus is on you, mister. Oh, I'm just here
to I'm just here to write the script and then
just yes and whatever. I like it, you h you need?

Speaker 1 (58:32):
I like this, I like and you're hired, you know what.
I also I do have.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Creative input, but at the same time, you're the one
signed the checks. Boss. All right, thank you, thank you,
you're hired. Cool.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
I'm also going to hire everybody the Skeeekish List and
podcasts you know where you can listen to every single
place that you get podcasts in your ear holes. And Eric,
this has been a great episode. Thank you for being here.
Where can people find you online?

Speaker 2 (58:54):
That is not terrible? And Eric W. Barnes at Blue
Sky and that's you know. I am also on Instagram
and the bird app, but I don't really post on
there given the current climates of everything that has been happening.
And same with threads, So just find me on Blue Sky. Nice,
that's the best bet for I am.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
I'm at Jason Inman on Blue Sky because for the
first time ever in my entire life, I got my name.
That's the whole, the whole reason fifteen years ago I
was jawin was because I could not get my name anywhere.
So I came up with Jama, which is Jason william Inman.
So I for Blue Skuys the first time ever that
I've ever been Jason Inman on the internet. So it's
back so Jason and on Blue Sky. Yeah, you can

(59:36):
find me other places on Jaman. I'm the same. I
haven't post on Twitter for a long time.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
I'm good. There's no reason too.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
I don't think I'm gonna shut down my account because
I'm worried that they might do something to do.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
It HARKing it. If for no other reason then to
not get it. You served, there, you go, there, you go. Everybody.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
You can find Giekshe Lesson out everywhere at GHL podcast
on uh No, that's on the terrible place Twitter. But
you at Geekshe Lessons where we can find this everybody.
So go follow us on social any for all of
your things, and everybody we're here for the final segment.
What have we learned today? Well, we've learned that Thor
fights gods and Wanda rewrites reality. But Spider Man and

(01:00:10):
Daredevil are out here dodging rent payments and fighting dudes
with crowbars, and that's the kind of relatable content we need. Eric,
what did you learn today on the podcast?

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Uh? God, so much and so little. I learned that
I can be the perfect yes man to Kevin fi You.
I think you proved yourself. I think that's what he's
looking by the way I do. I will say this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
I do know that a couple of streaming execs listen
to this podcast, So I'm just telling you. Eric is
a fantastic writer, and I thank you. I think he
proved himself pretty good in a room. I at least
know where to pivot. All right, all right, thank you
Eric so much again for joining us today on the podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Jason and everybody out there, thank you for joining us
on Key Cash for ust In. Today we'll be back
with another episode and the wonderful Ashley Victoria Robinson. Hopefully
we'll be able to join us. Until then, take care
of yourself and class dismissed,

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