Will Mission Impossible the Final Reckoning be the Final Installment? with DJ Wooldridge

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Good morning agents, Your mission should you choose to accept?
That is the deep dive into the history, impact and
future of one of the most iconic action franchises of
all time, Mission Impossible. As always, Should you get lost
in a sea of incredible stunts, complex plots, or Tom
Cruise's death, wish will be here to guide you through
every twist and turn. This podcast was self destruct in
five seconds. Oh, I guess it's a dode. Are good,

(00:38):
We're clear, You're all safe for everybody, you know. Hey, DJ,
Well you know now that we're on a mission to
talk about Mission Impossible.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
We're choosing to accept that.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
We are choosing. We have been given the choice, we
have chosen to accept. Let's look, we got to get
this out of the ballpark right now because I think
a lot of fans that like talk about Mission Impossible.
I it's inter always hear what everybody thinks is the
favorite one? Yeah, so what is your favorite one of
the it's eight films that we haven't seen the most.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
You haven't seen the eighth one year.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
I'm not counting Final Reckoning, a title that I do
not like.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Thend Yeah, it's fine. I think what makes it interesting
about finding somebody's favorite is that in I don't know
about you, but in my estimation, there's not a bad one.
I agree, Yeah, I have a least favorite. What's your
least favorite? My least favorite is the third one. Here's
the Thing, Here's the thing. It's got the best villain. Okay,
you don't like J. J Abram's directing. I don't like

(01:31):
the way he directs instert of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
My least favorite one is number two of the John
Wu one.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I like John Wu. It's and here's the and here's
the here's the tricky thing. Here's the thing though, and
it's something I forgot.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
You're you're a silent Christmas fan or whatever that movie
that you'll get in.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
But what's what's interesting is as much as solid, like
dependably solid as the Macquarie era has been, one of
the things we've lost from it is that kind of
almost anthology feel of what's this director going to do
with it, what's this rector are going to do with it?
And so as much as an outlier as John Wouwiz
and I totally get people not liking it, I don't.

(02:07):
I don't mind if my mission ipossible movie is a
little insane. I'm okay with that.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
We can talk about that because there is very interesting enough.
There is a clear divide in the Mission Impossible franchise,
and it's so interesting because we can talk about this. Okay,
So what is your favorite?

Speaker 2 (02:20):
What you think? Maybe it's Fallout?

Speaker 1 (02:23):
I agree, I have my favorite is Fallout Lot. It's
interesting that I almost feel this for you know, to
compare this to another franchise that Mission Impossible. Fallout is
sort of the gold Finger of the franchise. And what
I mean is like Goldfinger is it's either when people
talk about James Bond, they either go like it's either
Goldfinger or it's Casino Ral, like those are the two
or sometimes sky Fall sneaks in there. But like what

(02:44):
most people consider to be like the two, like perfect
Ones or Goldfinger and Casina Ral. And I kind of
think that Fallout like there are other ones that like
I like Three. I think three has a lot of fun,
isn't that. I think five has a lot of really
good stuff in it. I even think there's some really
good stuff dead Reckon and I think it's pretty solid,
you know, for you know, like we're not talking a
bill about Mike. It's might be hair too long, my

(03:06):
hair to long.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Although I will say that was the same. I appreciate
that it understood like, well, if it's going to be
two parter, we at least need to give you closure.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yah.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Was the first time I saw like something that was
divided in half that I actually felt like, no, that
was a movie.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
It was a full idea. We can get it up.
So okay. So so it's we're Fallout boys.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, there you go. Yah. Yeah, No, I think I
like I like Fallout, like you said, because I think
it's the perfect combination of some of the best stunts.
It also has the bathroom fight I think is one
of the best fights.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Henry cavillcock in his arms. Yeah, it looks like it
was a good.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
It was a good because I think it was like
an accident like he did it because it's like his
cuffs were kind of stuck.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
And then director rightly was like, that's.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Do that do it again?

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, that's the good.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
All right. Everybody, you have chosen a mission to accept
to listen to Geek History Lesson. I am Jason Inman.
Welcome to the podcast where we talk about one subject
in a little bit less than an hour and today
we're going to talk about Mission Impossible space specifically Used Impossible,
the Final Reckoning, which we have not seen at the
time this recording, but that big old movie of Tom Cruise.
You know, it's very funny.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
You know.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
By the way, should introduce my very special guest, DJ
wilrichil the Only Stupid Answers Podcast, good friend of the podcast,
sometimes enemy of the IMF.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
I hear uh you know once a movie. Okay, Ethan,
you've been portrayed by everybody. Again, We're back.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Here talking about Mission Impossible because it's just like Christmas,
you know, about once every couple of years, our good
old uncle Tom Cruise says, what if I kill myself
on camera? And we're all like, I would pay money
to see that. He's like a death defying Santa Claus
for us.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
All. Yeah, it's what if Jackass was one of the
most popular famous people in the planet.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, it really is, and it's so interesting. We talked
about this a little bit earlier that again there is
a clear divide in the Mission Impossible franchise of all
these various things. But okay, so we got to talk
about this because Mission Impossible I find unlike some other
movie franchise. Unlike James Bond, I'm like, is kind of divisive.

(05:02):
I find it's either I find that people are either
all in and you and me are like all in
for it because of this. I'm in it because I
love how bombastic these movies are there. They're spectacle. They're
part of what I miss about a style of movie
making that has kind of gone away in the last
thirty years, of filmmakers, especially action filmmakers, basically saying, how

(05:25):
can we do the most the pun is not intended
impossible thing on camera? Yeah, and see if we can
get it in the lens no CGI, Like we can
enhance it with CGI, but like, let's do the biggest
thing we can actually film and put on camera. But
there are a bunch of other people, and partly it
might be because of the star of the franchise and
also because we're eight movies in now. There are other

(05:48):
people that are just like, eh, I don't care about
the mission impossible movies. Yeah, why do you think there
is that divide?

Speaker 2 (05:54):
I know with my wife, my wife refuses to watch
them because she's like, I don't like Tom Cruise.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
My wife is the same thing, understand all movies they're got.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, but also I'm very cooked there. I understand what
you're saying. They're very good. I also like, yeah, the
the I think you're you're right. They target a very
specific type of audience of dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're
not wrong, and we and we kind of you're you're
right to the degree, not that we should only uh
make that it's you're right, because it's for us. It's

(06:26):
an example of the type of dad movie that we
don't make anymore.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
And I think, but I think clear and present danger,
Hunt for the Red October.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
I don't know why I just named two Jack Ryan movies.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well, because yeah, these are very Jack Ryan movies though, well,
and you I would while it's based off a TV series,
so this actually wouldn't be as egregious as like maybe
making an Amazon James Bond show.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
But by the way, I'm just gonna say this, the
original Mission Impossible TV show.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Solid have ne ever my dad told me about. I've
never seen.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
So so it is dated because it's from the sixties
and seventies, right, and then they did a reboot in
the eighties. But I think the original show. I don't
quote me if I'm right, we're again, we're lovers and
you're not experts.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
It.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I think it ran for like seven to eight years.
It ran for a long time. Leonardnimoy was on it,
a lot of other great characters, Peter Graves. But it's
funny when when I was working on the Star Trek
Section thirty one TV show, I would watch a Mission
Impossible a day. It's just like kind of like inspiration
because it's also sort of a spy show. They hold
up because they all are about like just every episode

(07:30):
is about like simple cool spycraft. Every episode sort of
had what these movies have. Every episode would have the okay,
we've got to put on a mask and pretend to
be a Buenos Aires dictator. But then the funny, the
coolest thing, the neat thing that has kind of been
lost by these movies is that the television show would
always open with Peter Graves getting the mission and how

(07:51):
he got the mission, you know, the Hello Agents was
always like sometimes he would go to a phone booth.
The phone booth would like open up and there would
be a secret come apartment, and then there would be
a video screen. One time he walked into a salvage yard.
He got into a car, he pressed the button on
the dash, and the dash opened up and gave him them.
So it was always it was always the.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Gag, really perfunctory. Now it's like a folder that smokes
when he throws it away.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Or it's just like in the first movie, it's just like,
here's a tiny cassette on the movie.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Well, then I want Airplane, the one that I think
captures that spirit the best, which and I actually was
really I think you could make an argument that this
is the best one is the first one, because that's
the one that takes the premise I think the most
seriously as a spy movie. But uh, and I think
it's an also example when you talk about this being
a dad movie. Also, like we've also lost mom movies.

(08:39):
We've also lost you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
We've watched rom coms.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, these like these four quadrant we've we've in this area.
So specifically, not that Mission Impossible is not a four
quadrant bockbuster. It's obviously designed to be that. I think
another interesting thing about it as a movie lover is
they make them wrong and yet they're still really good.
They're like, here's the stunts we wanted.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
They start shooting them before there is even a script. Yeah,
here's the same film stuff. Film is stunt and that
they're like, how do we backwards engineer this to make
it outvy the worst way to do it, I would
it's insane works, it's insane. Yeah, every you're like you
can see the threads sometimes.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, But I think it's a testament to specifically this
is more specifically the I think the Macquarie era that
landed on this, because I think you're right. I think
the kind of the bifurcation point is the Dubai stunt
and four that's where like these are what these movies
are now.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, I was gonna say so it's interesting so in
mission impossible, you know, and these and they have sort
of become like the James Bond franchise to me where
I can watch even to the one I like the
least and still get enjoyment from it. Like I can
watch every single one of these and I will get
a piece of enjoyment from it no matter what. I
But yes, I think it's ghost protocol on is the bifurcation.

(09:49):
So it's one, two, three, it's when they stop using
the numbers because Chris McCrory did the rewrite on the
script of four four. So even though that's a brad
Bird film, technically part of the macquari are the McQuary ara,
yes and like, but also the McQuary era. It brings
in this thing where like from four on it was
like every movie is anchored around a big stunt and one, two,

(10:11):
three do not have it. They have stunts.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
They have stunt well because two you have the rock climbing.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Uh. The three is the jump off the building and
also the bridge.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah yeah, but you're right there.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
And then one is the CIA knocklist, then hanging from
the to get the maplist.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, a sequence one really rips. That's really good.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, the channel sequence is actually really good.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
It's really good. But Palma baby. But you remember, I'm
sure you remember this when the four Ghost Protocol they
marketed it off. The stunt they did they filmed? Did
they film in an imax?

Speaker 1 (10:46):
I know it was one of the first ones because
you know when Ghost Protocol came out, do you remember
what the little teaser scene in front.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Of Ghost Protocols and Dark Knight Rise? It was dark,
it was and it was why and that's the reason
I saw it. I'm like, I gotta see you Bane.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
I got Chris Nolan changed the bang voice specifically because
of Mission Impossible ghost product. It was a good job.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
I don't dislike that Bane as much as other people,
but that was yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
But yeah, it was Yeah. Because we have the Berskalifah,
there is the hanging off of the aircraft carrier or
the plane in the rogue nation. There is, I mean,
Faulla has a whole bunch of them, so I don't
know which one you single out. I mean the bass jump.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Of the bass jump, and then uh, the one that
gets helicopter won. Even to this day, I'm like, this
isn't this? I was, I was.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
I actually watched that sequence right before you came over
to record this. That that kind of put Mission and
Postle back in my brain and I literally was just like,
holy cow, Like I cannot believe he was hanging outside
of this helicopter.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
It is irresponsible. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
And then of course Doug reckoning is the the jump
off the cliff.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, although I.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Think I will tell you, I actually think the car
chase through Rome and Died is so much better.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
It is really good. It's good because they're handcuffed, right,
that's one where they're hand cut the dry and then
this one, I think the big one. And it's so
funny because this this is a good example of what
we're talking about. It's he's like fighting on a biplane
or something and it's like a biplane why And it's like.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Whatever, come on, I haven't even seen this movie, but
think about it, like I've actually this is ever since
I've seen that by a plane, I've been so excited
because you know, we should talk about the dead Reckoning, right,
is all about AI. It's about fighting AI and the entity.
And when you're fighting an entity, what's the only thing
you can do to fight an entity? Will you either
have to be as crazy as Tom Cruise or you
have to go analog?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, that's what's I was like, how do you even
justify a by plane in this movie so they can't
track him? All?

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Right?

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, oh yeah that tracks that track.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
So I think we're going to see a lot of
that in this next one, where like he is using
like analog technology a good.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Instinct that's actually really good especially for what this fan frame.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
They'll be like no computers, but again, Like, so.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
We're talking about it on the stunt stuff, and the
stunts are great. The movies work like like we talk
about dead reckoning like it it functions, and especially now
it movies in it's kind of crazy that a lot
of the you know, we joked about a little bit that,
but the you're being betrayed by the IMF like yeah,
every movie man, Like that's why does he even work
for these?

Speaker 1 (13:08):
We should talk about this real quick. I just want
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Speaker 2 (13:21):
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Speaker 1 (13:22):
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Speaker 1 (13:47):
Oh wow, yep, yeah, yeah, So you can check it
out patroon dot com slash all. Anyways, Uh, it's funny.
I want to talk about like there's an interesting somebody
said this on and we're talking about that they don't
really make movies like this anymore, like, and I think
it's because, like when you look at Mission Impossible one,
it is such a movie of nineteen ninety five, and
it is that era of like I said, I mentioned
all these Jet Clear and Present Danger Patriot games and

(14:10):
you know, all these Jack Ryan movies, and somebody once
said that they were like Mission Impossible is one of
the only movie series we still have right now that
still does that genre of the nineties where it is
like government officials in offices arguing about the end of

(14:30):
the world. And for ten years that was like you know,
that post Cold War nostalgia. It was like every action
movie was just like, oh my god, the Russians have
the Suitcase movie.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
And we're trying I mean, people there's that movie, the
Romie Malock movie. I think it's called Mi Amateur. You're
trying to do that and you're like, no, man, what
are you doing?

Speaker 1 (14:48):
The Accountant is kind of that too. I would say,
I can't believe there's an Accountant too sequel.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
What the hell is I can't believe there's Acountant two?
And I can't believe. There's part of me that's like,
I kind of want to see it. I kind of
want to watch it.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
I'm going to throw that out there. I saw the
account number one and it was.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
It's fine, it's a fine, it's a fine.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
So we got to talk about this because you know,
we're into the final Reckoning, this movie eight and they
intentionally this was supposed to be Dead Reckoning Part two.
Dead Reckoning one didn't do so well?

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Now, oh did it not? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Well, because here's so, here's the thing. There's a lot
of people out there, especially if you go to all
the fan sites, and they're very much like Dead Reckoning
is a bomb. Now. I think it costs more money
to make than it actually made. Supposedly, there is a
rumor that apparently the budget of both of these, like

(15:42):
seven and eight, is like somewhere north of four hundred million.
So they spent together together. So they spent like two
point fifty each on each movie. And I don't think
and they're even saying that this one it might be
in the higher now here's the kicker. These movies were
filmed together. They paused the second one because of stuff,
but the first one, Dead Reckoning, was filmed during COVID.

(16:03):
It was shut down during COVID, and then they kept
trying to go back and shoot stuff and it kept
getting shut down by COVID. Like the clip, the audio
clip where Tom Cruise yells at the crew member about
COVID restrictions is Dead Reckoning. That is that movie. It
was when they were filming the stuff in Rome. So like,
I don't know if we can essentially hold that against

(16:24):
this movie, because like, but these movies are not cheap
to make. They're really not cheap to make. I guarantee
you old Tom himself is probably getting twenty million off
the top on plus producing of us anyways, but we're
eight movies in Tom Cruise is over sixty. I would
be shocked if Christian McCory comes back to do another one,

(16:47):
you know, I mean, well, who knows. I wouldn't have
ever said that he was going to do four and
here he is, and I don't mind that, to be honest, you, yes,
we talked about it was an anthology, but like, what
do you think here, DJ, let's talk about this again.
They're calling it the Final Reckoning. Is I hate that title? Yeah, yeah,
because it's I think it's manipulative to be like to

(17:08):
try to get people in to be like, oh, this
is gonna.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Be the comic creator and where we were like, oh,
the they're gonna die. It is the final issue. I've
fallen for this trick before.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
There's like a there's just a million I think better titles,
and I actually think most of them have pretty good titles,
Like I like Rognation, I like Fallout, I like I've
liked all of the subtitles, and I'm pretty picky on subtitles. No,
I'm thor of Dark World to come talk to me.
That was terrible anyways, not a great quantum Mania. Get
out of here. Anyways. What do you think the odds are?
Let's talk about this the finality of the Final Reckoning.

(17:38):
With having haven't seen the movie, I see no scenario
where this is the final Mission Impossible movie.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
It kind of depends right one. They tried to do
this before with four. They tried to tee up Jeremy
Renner is like he's our new guy, which they tried
to do. They tried to do that with Born too,
and it's like, I like Jeremy Renner, he's not.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
So apparently, so there's some stories about that. Yes, So
because ghost protocol for Mission Possible four was right around
the era of Tom Cruise jumping on the couch on Oprah,
that famous viral clip that kind of was the downturn
of his career. And when they made Mission Impossible four,

(18:16):
apparently one of the stipulations of them giving Tom Cruise
the money to make that movie was they were like,
this is the movie where you hand it off. So
they did that. As they were making the movie, they
cast Jeremy Renter Born Legacy. The Jerry render Borne Legacy
movie came out bombed and a movie bombed. So that

(18:38):
was step number one. The second nail in that coffin
was that they were having problems on set. They brought
in Christopher McCrory to rewrite the script. Christian McCory, and
this might explain what christ mcreys directed to Mad Mission
poss Movies. Christop McCory, who's a brilliant writer I think,
came on the movie and basically said, what are you doing?
You can't replace Tom Cruise, and then rewrote the ending

(19:01):
of the movie to not have the handoff happen. So
it is Christopher mcruory that is the number two of
like why the franchise didn't get handed off?

Speaker 2 (19:11):
And so it just kind of it depends on a
couple of things. One what the will dead Reckoning do well? Two?
What does well even mean right now? Like I don't
know about you. I've had trouble figuring out like what
are what are studios even looking for? What do they expect?

Speaker 1 (19:23):
I know, especially when like Ryan Cougler Centers comes out
opens the ninety million, and they were like articles where
people were like this is a failure and I'm like,
and what what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Like Sinners are so good? By the way, Sinners is
one of that movies all good. But so it depends
on even what their expectations are. And then it kind
of also depends on not more what Tom Cruise wants
than what McQuary wants. I think there's a you know,
there's a version of a of a Mission Impossible with
Tom Cruise without.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Mcquarie one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
I think there's no way I could see a world
where this is the last Tom Cruise one where he's like, guys,
I want to do other things. I could see it.
I don't see a world where this is the last
Tom Cruise one and we don't get another Reefresh five
ten years from now.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, like here's the new young version. IP is too big. Yeah,
and we should also acknowledge the IP.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Is big because of Tom Cruise and speaking oldbody talks
about the show anymore.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, and speaking of yeah, even though it's on Pluto
TV all the time. Okay, but speaking of Tom Cruse,
he's telling us that we have to take an a
break right now. So well, we're gonna listen to mister
Cruise mission. We will accept that mission. Then we'll be
right back. All right, we're back gh O, talking about Mission.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Impossible, mister Tomathy Cruise.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Mister Tomasy Cruise said, what is his real name. It's
not Cruise. His real name is Tom. It's Tom's Cruise.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Is a good one. Cruise is a we've heard about
like Michael Keaton wanted to be like, I'm going to
go buy my actual name, which is Michael Douglas something
like that. No, you're Michael Keaton. Man, I hate to
break it to you.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah, you know, I will say this, Uh, Tom Cruise Mapither, Yeah,
it's a good call. That's the right to say. So
Cruises his middle Well, yeah, Tom, Tom Mappither is his
real name, Tom Cruise better. I will say this.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
You know.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
We like to dunk on this guy a lot. I
think a lot of society. Does I actually think he's
a good actor. I really do. I think he's a
really good actor.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
He's very talented. He's he's a superstar for a reason.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
He's the last movie star.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Some people would say, and I think it's a We
were just talking about the quarry of it all. A
lot of specifically action stars have their pet collaborator. Yeah,
like The Rock famously has has a director that he
likes to work with. It's a testament to cruises chat whatever. Yeah.
But the difference between that and those movies and the
the McQuary not just the McQuary one, who's I just

(21:40):
flew out of my brain. The director that did Maverick
and did oblivion.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Oh it's Joseph something Kazinski. Yeah, yeah, he's He's a
very when it comes to movies. Tom Cruise is a
very savvy guy. He's a very smart guy. Uh And
and so the fact that that relationship that like you again,
some of these actions starts that have their pet collaborators,
You're like, I don't see this guy having a career

(22:05):
without the rock or whatever.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
No, but Corey, you could make other movie.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
McRory would one hundred percent make other movies. It's funny.
I used to always say, before Tom Cruise entered this big,
bombastic stunt era of Mission Impossible, I used to say
that I always thought for an actor, and I think
this is a skill that a lot of actors don't have,
because this is what he has a good script picker.
I think he knows it when he reads a good script,

(22:29):
and I think he knows it when he reads a
bad script, and a lot of actors don't don't because
that's what you'll see actors. And really, and he's made
a couple. Look, it's impossible not to make stinkers in
this business just because it's just specially if you're an actor.
It's the Roll of Dice. But like, I find whatever
his spider sense is about movies, it's really good.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, because you've seen a lot of like not to
pick on anybody, but you've seen a lot of like
Marvel actors to try and branch out, and it's like
that's the wrong decision.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Chris Pratt has a such a bad picker.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Tom Holland and Uncharted, I'm like Tom, but like yeah,
so and I think it's an underrated Uh but you're right.
I think it's an underrated skill that Tom Cruise.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Happy it is and it but I also think that
that is the thing about like that, that is that
special sauce that makes Mission Impossible like special. Like there
are all these Empire podcasts does these bonus episodes, and
a couple of them been behind the paywalls, but after
every McCrory Mission Impossible movie, they have done like a
four hour podcast like breaking down the Mission Impossible movies,

(23:26):
and they are fascinating if you if you're ever interested
in like the nuts and bolts of making a Mission
impostle movie. Christoph McCrory goes through everything that's it's it's astounding.
Some of it is like really boring, and some of
it is fascinating because in Christopher McCrory, I think Tom
Cruise found a partner that is willing to be like, no,
we're gonna we're not gonna write a movie. We're just

(23:48):
gonna fly a helicropter across the Swiss Alps until we
find the right rock out cropping. For Henry Cavill and
Tom Cruise, I have a fist fight.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
All yeah, it's and it's the it's so weird to
have collaborators like that. They're like, no, we're just gonna
trust our instincts and then have those instincts. Yeah, that's right,
you're right, that's good. Yeah, good call.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Well it's yeah. So like you know, it's funny, like
I we talking about this final reckoning, I agree with you.
I think look, I'm gonna say something a little slight
spoilers here for mister James Bond No Time to Die,
a movie that came out two or three years ago.
So if you don't want to know any spoilers about that,
turn the podcast for like a couple of minutes. Here
I would have said, there is no scenario where they

(24:28):
kill Ethan hunt Tom Cruise in a Mission Impossible movie,
But now that we've seen James Bond die on screen,
I don't know. I think all bets are off. I
think what they'll do again, we have not seen the movie.
I don't know any spoilers for them. I've actually intentionally
stayed away from a lot of this because I want
to I like, I Mission Impossible movies for me are
like one of the last movies that I'm just like this,

(24:48):
I know the right, Yeah, this is gonna take Yeah,
take my hand, let's go on the roll with this.
You're gonna give me something.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
I like.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
James Bond is kind of the same way. But I
think I think that they might kill him in the
story of the movie, and then so the characters like
Benji and whatnot think he's dead, and then I think
we might get like a little scene snippet where like
you see him walking off into the sunset where you're like,

(25:14):
oh my god, he could come back, but like the
characters think he's dead.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
I think that's the right instinct to the degree that
sorry slight spoilers for John Wick four. Oh boy, Yes,
it came out a year ago. Also very good, but
I was kind of surprised, like no wink, no little
like that.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Well, well, and you know that, you know that's bs
because we have john Wick five coming out in two years,
which I kind of think is a mistake.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
I agree. I think john Wick four is like no
leave on the high note, Yep, you did agree leave now.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
I agree. I actually think the better instincts for that
franchise is kind of what they're doing with Ballerina. I
think that world is interesting enough that I think you
can drop some other characters in there and expand.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
We're gonna make a k movie. I'll watch that, yeah,
I mean to me.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
To me, I'm very much like, I'm like, you know what,
I I don't mind you making john Wick five, but like,
let's let's let's leave him dead for a little bit.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Well especially, and I think this circles back to the
Mission Impossible thing. You know, Keanu Reeves, Tom Cruise. These
are actors that we kind of talked about, like, oh,
they never age, they're starting to Yeah, you're able to tell.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Well, there is a certain point where you know, again,
the hallmark of the Mission Impossible franchise is the Tom
Cruise sprinting full out sequence. In fact, I've seen for
final wrecking. They have this video. Have you seen this
of him running across the bridge by Parliament? No, so,
so there's a one minute video. I'm just gonna act
this out for DJ, just because I kind of saw

(26:30):
it and I there was a moment where I was like,
I don't know if you guys should have released this.
So there's a there's a shot in these trailers of
him like you can see Big pans down. It's Big
Ben and a pound pans down to him and you
fall him across the bridge sprinting Hall flat out. He's
like Holland man. And before they do it, like it's
Christom McCorry like, yeah, we're here failing on this bridge.

(26:51):
I can't play to shut it down. And they cut
to Tom and they're like all right, and Tom's like
I'm going to go on this line. He's like I'm
gonna fall in this line. And then you just see
Christo McCory go, don't miss him through the camera truck.
Don't you miss him in this shot. And then they
swing back to Tom Cruise and I'm gonna do this
action for DJ. Tom Cruise like Lane's over. He looks
down on the ground and he just like rams his

(27:12):
arms as fast as he can and just like for
like thirty seconds and then they say action and he
goes and I almost was like, you look like a
crazy person.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
I mean, like when it comes to doing this stuff again,
to go back to the fallout stunt with the helicopter,
like that's insane, Like helicopters are legit dangerous.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
I mean the burs Khalifa. Yeah, every time, like you know, well, okay,
let's talk up. We've been talking about the stunts. It
is impossible to talk about etion I possible without talking
about the stunts. And it is interesting that this movie
franchise started as yeah, like you talked about like it's
very anthology, and then it has become what is the
big stunt?

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (27:49):
I think I know the answer to this one. But
what do you have a favorite? Let's talk about this
what objectively? Take yourself out of it, because we'll talk
about favorite in just a second. Objectively, what do you
think is the best in this franchise?

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Truthfully? I mean I'm tempted to say that it is
the Bersh Khalif, and that's the high they've been chasing
the whole time.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
I agree, you can't beat it you can't. But here
you know. The reason why I say this is because
I'm not a huge fan of four. I like four.
Four Four is the movie. Four is the mission to
Possible movie. I think mainly the reason why I don't
like it is because four is the movie where like
every piece of their technology just doesn't work or doesn't
have batteries, Like I feel like they spend the entire
movie being like just hitting the flashlight to be like Quirk,

(28:30):
and I don't really I want to see them do
cool stuff with cool gadgets. And the mistake I think
four is that that birs Khalaf of sequence is so
anxiety and deucing. It's so beautiful, it's so well shot,
and it happens one hour into the movie, and then
the climax of that movie is in a parking ground.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
It's parking with a guy that like, this guy's not
going to beat.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
No cruise, Yeah, yeah, with an insurance sales.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
So like they they yes, and I agree, And that
was like one of the I thought the genius things
about Roge Nation was apparently, you know, him hanging outside
the plane. Apparently that was supposed to happen at the
one hour mark of that movie. And then Chris rher
McCory was like, as soon as they put it in
one of the first trailers, he was like, no, no, no, no,
they just blew our you know, they just blew our
our stunt. Make it the opening off, make it the

(29:17):
open And I always thought that was the smartest thing
ever because it was like, oh, just watch it up front.
Then you can just enjoy the movie. You can just
go on the movie. And I think that was a
that was a mistake of Dead Reckoning because that's the
big climax of the movie, is him jumping off that
mountain and we saw it and it takes three hours
to get there.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yea, I have a question for you.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, I go for it.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Man. When we talk about so, let's say Tom Cruise
is like, I'm so tired I'm gonna do I'm going
to go die in space in this movie, and then
that'll be that what is there an air apparent? Jeremy REYNNERD,
What now is there? Like if you're rebooting it, is
there somebody? God?

Speaker 1 (29:54):
No, you know, honestly, I've said this for a while
just because I know they're buds and I like this actor.
I would say, hand it off to Glenn Powell. Oh sure,
And you know what I would say, if you're going
to continue this movie. Let's say, let's say Tom Cruise
is like, okay, I am an older gentleman. He is,
he's in his sixties. Yeah, he could probably apply for AARPS, which.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Only matters to the stuff he's doing is insane, which
is fine. He's not doing chamber draw.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
I'm also not saying anybody in their sexies can't do
these movies. But like anyways, most of the James Bonds
retired in their fifties, Like Daniel Craig retired at fifty two,
Roger Moore rehired at fifty six. I think Sean McCart
connery retired when he was like forty nine. You know,
there's just there's an age like we don't have sixty
year old professional athletes, right, So I think, I honestly think,

(30:45):
make Glenn Powell the new agent and make Tom Cruise
like the m like he is the.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Supervisor beyond situation. Yes he's Yeah, I think that's a
good this this instinct thing.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
So we can still have both and you know what
you and you want, and you could still have to
Cruise do a stunt in a movie.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Do you think we kill off the previous guy because
somebody like Tom Cruise doesn't want to be them? Because
to me, that's the instinct. You don't need to kill
them off to do another thing. You can still have
him around, kick on around, give them advice.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
You know, it's interesting because I don't know, and I
was talking about this because we're really in this era.
I'm gonna ask, have you noticed we're in this weird era?
And maybe it's because, Look, I don't want to I
love movies, I love television, but I've been noticing this
trend and maybe it's because we I don't want to
assume you're a millennial, right, yeah, Okay, we're millennials, right,

(31:32):
eat it gen Z and gen alfah. Yeah, we're old people,
but we're not boomers. Stop mistaking us for that. We're
not a Gen X or silent generate, whatever you want
call whatever. I've noticed that movies, especially movie franchises, are
aging up, and that there's part of me that we're that.
You know, again, I could throw out conspiracy theories where
I'm just like, well, is that because movies and television

(31:53):
are dying? I don't know. I don't know, and we
won't know until for like another thirty four years. And
I only say this because you know, weilled off iron Man,
but we gave iron Man a daughter. Yep, we killed
off James Bond. We gave James Bond a daughter. Superman
has a family in the comics. He's married and has
a kid. Batman has a kid. There's all these franchises,

(32:14):
John Wick, we killed the guy off, right, Like, there's
we're we're killing the mainstays of franchises right, So, like,
I don't know, because there is this era of like
we're sort of making these franchises retire.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah, but I think you're also pointing on interesting thing.
There's this utter fear of the unwillingness to let go.
It pasts things on like and I think maybe it's
a cute for us again, as you know people that
in the comic reader in us that it's like yet
when part of we got some great comics, when when
like the eighties when comics decided to age up, but

(32:53):
it lost so much of its accessibility it did and
so and and for me, you know, when I go
to see like a go s Buster's movie and they
put poor Bill Murray back into costume. It's like, this
is his hat, this is this makes me sad seeing
Harrison Ford back in the indie uniform, Like, no, this
bums me out. Man, do something new, dude.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
I will tell you when I saw, you know, I
saw Nana Jones and Dialodestine in theaters just because I
was like, well, if I'm gonna watch this, even with
crystals home, I was like, I'm gonna watch in theaters,
I'm gonna go. And I remember when that movie opened,
and I think Harrison Ford is in his eighties and
and you know, he's sitting in this small, tiny apartment
in his tidy whities. And I'm not saying that, you know,

(33:33):
a person in your eighties can't wear tidy whites wherever
you want, you know, live where you want. But Indiana
Jones being this paragon of like adventure and and and
sweating in jungles and wearing khakis. And I saw that
and I was like, I don't really want to see
that in an Indiana Jones movie.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Wouldn't Isn't there something to go back to this Indiana
Jones point? Isn't there something? Wouldn't there be something profound?
For a younger generation to see and not that Indiana
Jones is beholden to our generation, you know, because I know,
I think those movies first came out at least a
couple of them before I was even born.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Uh first one's like eighty two.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah. So but seeing that Indy pass it on to
the short, to you exactly, to whoever the next generation
is going back to this Mission Impossible thing. I think
it's a little different with Tom Cruise and Mission Impossible
because again that right now, that franchise is so synonymous
with him. But I think this idea of passing it along,

(34:31):
you know what, really kind of like cool presient moment
when the movie that people don't think about a lot.
I think it's called The Rundown, which was The Rocks first,
I remember John Williamcott, which actually is pretty good. Right well,
I think you don't think you're right. I think you're right.
But the thing that stood out to me because it
actually ended up being because I didn't see when it
came out. I saw it a little bit later and
it ended up being pretty prescient is there's a scene

(34:53):
where the Rock's walking into the club and he passes
Arnold Swarzenegger and Ronald Swarzenegger's like enjoy it and this
idea and there so there's I remember Art will be
in that movie briefly, it's just they walk by each
other and he tells the Rock enjoy it, like like
enjoy the club. But we know it's an I enjoy
it well. Last year it's this passing of the torch.
There's something profound about there, and I think maybe we
could and without having you could argue. I hear people arguing, like,

(35:17):
but this isn't that what they're doing with Ghostbuster that
for life? I would argue, no, no, but but like
you know, you know what you know. I think the
real argument of that is is that it is this thing.
And this is the other thing that we've they've started
doing in big budget franchises is that like whoever the
next person is has to be a family member, like yeah,
like carry like carry Kuon is Ethan's like or Egon's

(35:39):
daughter and get that baby stuff out of it.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yes, I'm very much. I'm very much like I think
it's stronger to like find like you you said, Batman
beyond Yeah, like Terry McGinnis, even though I don't I
don't buy that one, just the episode that says he's related.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
No, it's not the worst. But I agree with you
that I don't like that. I like it better that
it's a new person like that one related.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
And I think that's the reason why I love the
name that James the James Bond franchise is because about
every ten years we get a new guy and we
just keep making James Bond movie.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
He's different mechanism, but similar to Doctor Who here, and
to the degree that when my wife I was like,
maybe you should check out Doctor Who, my gateway for
her was Matt Smith the eleventh. The eleventh Doctor's introduction
typically the new the new generation, I would argue, got
I hope I pronounced that right. He's great. His introduction

(36:28):
is not the best, the clean I try to go one, yes, sorry,
I apologize.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
He's great.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
He's great. His introduction not the cleanest like eleventh. Like
like eleven, it's like, no, this tells you everything you
need to know. His introduction is like, oh, actually you
need to know a few more things.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
You need to know almost all of David Tennant's history
to get it, to.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Get what's happening here. But and like you said, so
like you could. So many people started with Daniel Craigs
James Bond and they could do that. So many people
started with Pierres Broston's James Bond, and you could do that.
We do that.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
We don't do that anymore.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Allow stuff to pass on and move and evolve and
stuff like that. So like i'd like to see personally,
I don't know that. Do we need to find somebody
that's as as insane as Tom Cruise for Mission Impossible?
I don't know, but maybe try I don't know. See
you see, yeah, let's see, let's see.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Well everybody, we got to take a real quick break.
But after this we're going to talk about what could be,
what what we would like to see the Mission Impossible
franchise do. After this, I'm going to give DJ a
big blank check and we're going to see what he
will do with the Mission Possle franchise. Read it for this,
all right, g Jo, we are back talking about Mission Impossible. DJ.

(37:43):
Your new mission, should you choose to accept it, is
to take this check for a million dollars. Thank you
so much, goodbye, Sorry, give you in your kneeling foots
the under the table. That's a Mission I possible thing anyways,
Uh no, I am paramount.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
I we just made the final reckoning. We're just assuming
it was a hit, so we're definitely gonna do whatever
Mission Impossible nine is. You know, we don't know if
we're going to bring Tom back or not. But I'm
giving you a blank check. So if you just want
to make another Tom mission impost movie, you totally can.

(38:19):
What would that be, I'd love to hear it, or
would you like to reboot it? Or do you have
like a legacy character. Basically, what I'm saying is I
want Mission Impossible nine. I don't care what Mission Impossible
nine is. Doesn't even have to be Mission Impossible nine.
I want another Mission Impossible, not I want another Mission
apostile movie. You have a blank check to do whatever
you want. Where would you take the franchise?

Speaker 2 (38:39):
I think my instinct I do wish more franchises did this.
There's this instinct to always go bigger, and I think
that's a mistake because eventually you just can't. I think
it's something Sustainability is a thing we should be concerned
about across the border. A lot of things, but in
a creative sense. I actually would. My instinct were probably
to go back to the First Impossible.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Oh you mean angry men in office buildings talking about
nuclear weapons.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
But yeah again, but like keep it, go back to
like the back to basics. Yeah, And what I would
probably do is steal a lot from that movie. It's
funny watching it as somebody that didn't watch the show.
I'm like, I would imagine people that watched him love
the show will be so mad at this movie because
they take the good guy from the show and they
make him the back.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Oh yeah, they make him the back.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
People people were furious. Of course, they were furious.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
You can't do that. Now, you can't cause you're gonnat
yell that on the middle. They're so afraid of that,
you know.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
The first Mission Impossible movie was the first movie that
Tom Cruise ever produced, right, interesting, So he had a
partner I think her name is Paula Wagner, and that
is the first that was his foray. Going forward from
that movie, he is the producer on every movie he
ever does. And the only reason why he picked Mission Impossible,
why he bought up those rights and took it to Paramount,

(39:52):
was because he was a fan of the TV show.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah, and again he the man has good instincts. Whatever
you how do you feel about him? He's got good instincts.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Somebody wants to jump off a mountain, that's that's when
those are not good.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
How did they How have they not reached out to
Johnny Knoxville to do a stunt in one of those
movies like he do one of them. He could be
one of the guys.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
You know what I would you know, my bad picture
for that would be is like, yeah, you get Johnny Knoxville.
You show him in the trailer, so everybody that knows
who he is is like, oh my god, are they
going to do a check?

Speaker 2 (40:19):
I think?

Speaker 1 (40:20):
And then you get to the scene in the movie
he's just standing there and then suddenly he gets just
hit by a bus and killed. So he's not part
of a stunt at all at all.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
No, so, and I probably I probably wouldn't make him
the bad guy because John Knoxville, No, no, no, no,
going back to like kind of aping one, I probably
put Tom Cruise, Tom Cruise as not not as the
bad guy, because I think we're in a different era
now where it's a little harder one. I me as
a fans like I don't want to see you can
be the bad guy I am, but put him in
the mental role that John Voight was in that movie.

(40:51):
And and and I think another mistake we tend to
make is we, especially in the fan communities, like who
should play whatever, We reach out to like name people
or specifically somebody with the right hair color or facial
hair up. But I think I think your best bet
is probably to find a relative unknown who can embody

(41:14):
what who's gained, because I think the secret because at
the end of the day, John Wick movies are also
big stump movies. It's just a different type of stunt.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Work, more gun play.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
But yeah, you're right, And I think what makes Tom
Cruise and Keanu Reeves so pivotal in those movies is
their gameness. They are willing to put the work in.
They're not just showing them on set. They are working
hard to make that stuff happen. And so I think
you need to find a young a young actor that
has that same instinct, in that same ethos that is

(41:45):
and is willing to that gameness. But then I would
also take the stunts back to because even the British
Cleveland one with as big as it is. What makes
it work is the tension up. The glove's not working
and now he's one handed. All that stuff, the getting
the knocklist, that's that's all just a classic Hitchcock ten mcguffin.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Mcguffins, Yeah, yeah, And so I mean three is And
this is the part of the thing that does annoy
me about three is Three is a complete mcguffin. We
never figure out what the rabbits footing.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yayah, that part I don't dislike.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
It's the big but it's always like nuclear weapons that
we don't understand, or a program that we don't understand,
or ai entity that we don't understand.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Phillipsy more Huffan Man, it's a bummer that they could
not bring him back. There's this one villain that keep
bringing back and like, this should be Phillipsy more Hoffman
if he.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Was still a love making Sean Harris, yes, or but
in my mind, I'm like a solid lane.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
The Phillip seymore Hoffman still love it. This would be
his character. You know, it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
It's funny because some people have made this remark before,
and it's kind of funny where it's interesting. You can
look at the Mission Apostle movies and it is sort
of the mc courier, and maybe this is a McCrory
tick that like in the first three movies he's kind
of perfect. Yeah, like he kind of he screws up,
but he doesn't screw up that often. He's pretty like

(42:57):
perfect in a lot of ways. And then four going on,
it becomes about Ethan tries something, the glove fails, and
then it becomes about him just being like, I'll make
it work, you know. Like the entire seque with the
helicopter sequents, which is I actually think is my favorite
stunt of the entire franchise is a helicopter is every

(43:17):
part of it is him being like, how do I
get in this helicopter? I don't know? Oh god, the
guys got shot. I guess I'll learn how I don't
really know how to fly a helicopter. Or how do
I get into the other helicopter. I guess I'll crash.
Like it's him. It's like just him getting exasper you know,
more and more.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
It's a good instinct. It's a good It's one of
what makes Indiana Jones worth those first Indian Jones works
where he says like, I'm just making this up as like.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Yeah, him driving off the mountain where he's like, I
guess I have to jump off this mountain. It's the
only way I'm getting down exactly.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
And so you need to find an actor. And I
don't know that I can think one off the top
of either. I think you'd have to cast for it.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
I'm just going Glen Powell. I don't know if he
has the same the real the reality of the thing
is that I just don't think we exist in an
entertainment industry anymore that creates Tom Cruises.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
I think you're right, which I think is why you
kind of need to make one. You need to find
that person that you're like, are you I'm not saying
I'm goingna make you jump off this mountain, but are
you game for that?

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Are you game for it?

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah? To put in and not just show up in
the tie, but you're gonna have to do the work
in the training three months?

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Six months?

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Wasn't there a whole sequence? And I think I'm mixing
On my movies. There's one where like Tom Cruise is
underwater and ask to like hold his breath it's renation,
you know what I mean. Yeah, that's the stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
That's what we were talking about this a little bit
before off Mike is that that's one of the stunts
that I think is ruined by CGI because he's actually
in a water tank, so he's actually holding his breath
for that long. But because the background is entirely digital,
I think it takes away from the stock.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
It makes you feel it less.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
There is a there's a new one of those in
Final Reckoning, and I don't know what it is. It's
the shot where like you see him in the suit
in the water is rising.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Well because the it's in a submarine right to established.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
The last I assume he's going to submarine. I would
love to give my pitch for where I think and
again I go to I just like Clem Powe, I
don't Yeah, but I think, you know, let's leave the
job to casting directors. There's an actor out there, could
be could be a woman as well, and to armist
let's go, let's let's let's do it. I think it'd
be interesting to see the next mission. Apostle movie is

(45:09):
the brand new person. There's no Tom Cruise right, and
so we get this adventure of this person some mcguffin
traveling across the world. They have to do a big
stunt at them. Second they do the big stunt to
grab the thing, the code of the nuclear weapons or
whatever the hell you want it to be. As soon
as they grab it, here comes another person in the movie.

(45:30):
And this is the last five minutes of the movie.
It comes the other person in the movie, and it's
Tom Cruisy than Hunt. It's an older give him a
little bit of gray in his hair and he's like
and he's like, you're the bad guy. No, you're the
bad guy. End of movie. Movie two. I'm pitching you.
Three movies is we got Ethan Hunt. But it's Older
Ethan Hunt, and it's we learned that it's a parallel

(45:53):
adventure to the movie that we just watch. And then
the movie ends at the exact same spot of the
previous movie in and then we see like five more
minutes and then the third movie is two people team up.
So it's Old Ethan Hunt. It's our Batman Beyond mentioned
Impossible movie, and it is the here is the franchise.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Now, my friend, here's what I like about that one.
I imagine I started picturing him more as Tom Cruise
and Collateral. We've always thought that was a good look
for Tom Cruise. And also I like the idea to
kind of play on my idea for Mission Impossible one.
You have a character that thinks Tom Cruise is the villain,
Like so now we're kind of echoing Mission Impossible one.
But the revealer is actually no, there was a reason

(46:30):
the whole time. And also, what is a more insurmountable
foe in the Mission Impossible franchise than Ethan Hot Like
can you imagine, like that's the guy you have to
take down. It's like, well, I'm screwed, is what they.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Well, that's my I haven't seen the movie yet, but
you know, we talked about John Wick. You know there's
that Ballerina spinoff which is and a dharmas I believe,
and you see John Wick is in the trailers. Yeah,
so I don't know this movie. I don't know anything
about this movie. I'm gonna bet just off that trailer.
Yeah and correct me if I'm wrong, Please do j

(47:01):
If you remember, I think watched the trailers for it.
So I watched the trailer. It's just her shooting guns
and then there's one scene where she talks to Keanu Reeves.
So john Wick is in that movie somewhere. My prediction
is that whole movie is that she is trying to
do something and then she learns that there is a
boogeyman out there that is also doing the same thing

(47:21):
or fighting her, and then she's gonna come around the
corner and it's count of reefs.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Yeah, because you could you to that point, like, could you.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Actually think it's a prequel before the john Wick movies?

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Could you imagine like watching a movie and they're like, yeah,
the antagonist, the person you're rooting for, they have to
beat john Wick. It's like, what they're not? That's not
gonna work? Have you seen the other ones?

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Now here's the last couple little last things I want
to talk about. We live in a new world now
where Amazon owns James Bond. Okay, Paramount owns Mission Impossible.
But Paramount's in a big kind of merger. Paramount My,
We don't know a couple of years, Paramount might not exist,

(48:01):
Paramount might go to Skynounce, Paramount might sell off Mission Impossible.
Is it stupid? I don't know if he would do this?
Is it stupid for them to finally be like, well, guys,
let's do the James Bond meets Ethan Hunt movie.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Uh No, I mean I think at this point nothing's
off the table.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
I don't want to see that movie is paramount. Also,
I'm intrigued by it.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Fast and Furious, Universal Universal Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Mount's Star Trek, Mission Impossible, and Sonic Now and then Transformers.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Okay, No, I was gonna say Mission Impossible and Transformers, like,
I don't want to see that movie. I don't care
about that movie. No, I don't think anything's off the
table at this point. Like I'm at the point now.
I don't know if you've had these conversations with people
were like, could we get it like a DC Marvel movie,
They're like, yeah, I mean I think I think we could.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
It's to your thing. That it's to your thing. That
like now that we're at the point where it's gonna
be harder and harder to go bigger doing stuff like that,
Like that's the only reason why we're getting a vent
doomsday where they showed that video where they were like, oh,
here's seventy nine people, and you know there's more than people.
Because I'm saying I'm calling this right now. The only
reason that movie exists is because they want to make

(49:10):
a shot that has Chris Evans, Robert Downey Junior, Chris Hemsworth,
Toby Maguire spider Man, and Hugh Jackman Wolverine in the
same shot.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
I am sure you were in a similar boat to
me that. When I was leaving Endgame, I'm like, they're
going to do Secret Wars.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Yeah, I know they're going to do Yeah, They're going
to do.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
One where everybody comes back. Because that's the that's the
only thing that allows you to do. You'd start doing
multiverse stuff, and little did I know that it would
be as a mess as it was.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
I could see them doing like Multiverse DC Marvel movies
because I think what they I think of how they'll
do it is they'll license out of character to another company.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Is mission impossible? Who you would want to see James
Bond crossover?

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Not really, but I don't it Just like the weird
thing about it is that again, James Bond, James Bond.
Because it's been around for over fifty years, and because
there's twenty five movies and most of them these successes,
is just this juggernaut franchise that you can't ignore. But
Mission Impossible has almost accomplished the same thing with less movies.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Let me ask you this, do you think Mission Impossible
could do a James Bond where it's like, here's a
new Ethan Hunter venture with a different actor.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Oh, you know what, I'd be down for that. I'd
be down for that. I would be okay with that.
Would you be okay with that?

Speaker 2 (50:25):
You know? I think it'd be easier to just do
I would rather just having brand new age have a
new guy, especially since that the way he's not in.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
The tell that show that is a branded care do
they em?

Speaker 2 (50:32):
That's the thing? It's like, so we had the guy
from the granted he end up being filmed, but it
helps was from the TV TV show and he hands
it off to Tom hands it off, He hands it
off to Tom Cruise. Just do that. That's that's built
into your thing. You could just do that. Now I'm
trying to think of who I would like to see
James bond with, and for some reason, for the reason,
I'm like, you could connect it to Sherlock Holmes icons.

(50:53):
You could say, maybe he's related to Holmes.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
I'll say this, I would you know the Batman movie
that would get me excited. Batman Metererlock Holmes and it
travels back to the nineteenth century England and Meteoralt Holmes.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
I'm in Batan Zorro two on the nose.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
I'm in for it.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Okay, I'm for it. I'm in for it.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
You know. Uh, speaking of things that are on the nose,
you know it's time for plugs here, DJ, will you
please let let the listeners know where they can find
your podcast. Any cool exciting things you got coming up? Yeah,
that is your mission that you have to accept.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Right accept it. You can find me at Only Stupid Answers.
I've been doing some cool stuff over my personal channel.
DJ Talks Trash And if you missed the kickstart from
a comic danger Boy, the pre order store is open now.
You can go to Danger Boycomic dot com b O
I right b O I b O Y. Get you
there too? Oh good smart move.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Yeah, that was a smart mission you showed to do it.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Thank you, thank you. Uh.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
And then what I'm spelling there?

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, and then you then you click on the little
pre order store button. It'll take you right there and
you can still still grab it while you can, so
don't miss out.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Nice. Uh well, dude, thank you so much for joining us,
and everybody out there listening, thank you for joining us.
You can check us out geeksh lesson dot com or
geek cash lesson and all the social media. Is that matter?
Come follow me on threads at job on jw I
I in and you know if it's still in the air,
gold give a give a click to CBS is Watson Yeah,
which also should tie into Mission Impossible. They're made by
the same company. Just come over check it out. You

(52:09):
might recognize a couple other some of the writers in
that credits. Come on, check it out. Keep me employed.
I'm working on season two. I want to be working
on season three.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
That's your mission shooe. She's accepted. But I'm very excited.
I have not seen the final marketing. I'm gonna go
see it in imax a couple of weeks whenever the
hell comes out. I'm very excited for I. Mission Ipossible
is one of the last movies that really gets me
jazz to go to the movies and I find that
this is just me getting old. I find that's a rarity.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Now, you know.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
I was excited to go see Centers. I was excited
to go see Ballot to Wallace Island, which is a
movie that I'm gonna keep protomoniing. I was written by
this British guy named Tim Key. It's freaking genius. One
of the best things I've seen in years. So there
you go.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Check it out.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Have you seen ballas balls elant? No, you should go
see it only. Okay, that's your mission, she choose. Accepted
to see independent movies.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Yes, please everybody at home. Oh no, no, no, just yeah,
please do that all right? Cool?

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Thank you everybody for listening. Gee cusher Lesson. I'm Jason Inman.
Thank you again, DJ for joining us.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
And please everybody, uh, don't go jump off mountains. Leave
that for Tim Brus

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