2030 Lizzy Borden House.

Jery and Tracy discuss the Lizzy Borden murder case and trial and talk to actress Chanel Ryan about her paranormal experiences during her over night stay in the Lizzy Borden house.

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Sus Amanda from Massachusetts and you're listening to the who
the hard stories do come in? Some one is count fall. Wait.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Well, first of all, that little girl's math is wrong
because she only used nine teen hits to the mom
and only eleven to the dad, so they don't even
equal up to forty.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
Well, I don't know, but she just is creepy to me.
I can't even stand it. I'm gonna have that song
on my dang head all night.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
So anyway, this is episode thirty five Hill Billy Horror Stories.
My name is Jerity. Yeah, I had to think about it.
That's how long the day it's been. And I'm joined
by my lovely co host Tracy.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
Hey, guys, how are you?

Speaker 3 (03:22):
And spoiler alert.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
It's coos a bach here.

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Yeah that's not right.

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Do with what I was saying though, But seventy degrees
yesterday and literally it's forty two today and it sucks balls.

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So do you think that people tuned in to listen
to us instead of the Weather Channel?

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I know, I just felt like saying it's been irking
me all day.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
So anyways, what I was starting to say for I
was so rudely interrupted is spoiler alert two people get killed.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
So oh, way to end the story there, bade.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
I think I think most people probably already know that.
So let's jump right into this because this actually is
a fascinating story. And we started off with a little
intro from Amanda de Grosse and she's from Massachusetts. And
she's the one that actually suggested that we do this
story a while back, and right after about the time
that she suggested, like the very next day, I had

(04:18):
an actress by the name of Chanelle Ryan reach out
to me and tell us that she liked the show,
and she had mentioned that she spent the night oddly enough,
at the Lizzie Borden House. So I thought, well, I
got two people telling me this, and Chanelle had agreed
at that time to come on as a guest, So
I thought, well, we need to set this up and
get into it. And the more I got into it,

(04:39):
the more actually fascinating this story is. And I think
I probably took more pages of notes on this one
than any show we've done, if that tells you anything.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Yeah, So she's brave for staying in that house, I think.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
So let's talk a little bit about that. As we
get to the end of the story that we're going
to tell, we actually have an interview with her, Chanelle Ryan.
She was voted sexiest woman in the World by Mixim magazine.
She's been on The Howard Stern Show, She's been on
The Late Late Show with James Gordon, several movies too,
many to even mention right now, but we talk about
it in our interview, and she's an absolute sweetheart. And

(05:14):
anybody who is a famous actress that actually likes our
show is definitely knows the way to our heart and
how to get onto the show.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Absolutely, she is really very sweet and I appreciate her
giving us her time because I know she's very, very busy.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, she's definitely busy, that's for sure. So let's jump
into the actual story of Lizzy Bordon. And oddly enough,
we're not really going to talk about the ghost in
the house. We'll do that with Chanelle, but as far
as what we're going to do, we're just going to
talk about the crime itself and the trial, and we'll
let Chanelle talk about some of the ghosts that went
on are their experiences with ghosts that she had at

(05:52):
that night when she spent the night. So let's go
to August fourth, eighteen ninety two, Fall River, Massachusetts. A
house was at ninety two Second Street. Seventy two year
old Andrew Borden and sixty five year old Abbey Borden
lived there with their daughter Emma, who was forty one,
and with Lizzie, who was thirty two years old at

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the time. Now Andrew Borden was worth a lot of money.
They estimated anywhere from two hundred and fifty to five
hundred thousand dollars, which in eighteen ninety two was worth
about nine million dollars today. So he had a lot
of money.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
Wow, that is a lot from back then.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
But he also had a lot of enemies. And part
of the reason is how he came about his money.
He made a lot of his money off of investing
in textiles and banks. He actually owned a couple of banks,
was a couple of chairmen that some banks. But he
was also an undertaker and he would take mortgages out
on people's houses when they would pay for funerals, and

(06:48):
then if they didn't pay for the funeral, then he
would take their homes. What a dick. Yeah, So he
he didn't have a lot of friends in a neighborhood.
I guess he was also a tightwad. He was extremely
tight with his money. He lived in town in this little,
very modest house, which really pissed Lizzie and her sister
off because all of the real rich people in town

(07:10):
lived up on the hill. That's where that was like
where the established place was, and they wanted to live there.
He didn't. He wanted to live right there amongst all
the factories and the business district, and you could see
how that that kind of could have been a problem.
And Lizzie made it clear, abundantly clear to him that
she did not like living there, which I don't really

(07:32):
understand how even at this day and age, you've got
a forty one year old daughter and a thirty two
year old daughter.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Living away get out the house.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
So that's that's kind of the background on who they are.
So what happened was on August fourth, eighteen ninety two.
There's going to be a thousand different stories as to
what happened, but Lizzie screamed that somebody had killed her dad,
and every thing kind of took place from that point.

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So that's that's the one thing that people know for
sure happened. After that, it's up to anybody's guess as
to what happened. So you keep in mind that Emma,
the forty one year old, she didn't like living there either,
but she also couldn't stand Abby, the stepmom. Abby was
Andrew's second wife. She married Andrew when Abby was fourteen.

(08:23):
Lizzie was three at the time, so Lizzie really didn't
know any different. Abby didn't know.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
You know.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
It was the classic you're not my mom syndrome.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Yeah, Plus her sister was so much older than her,
so they really didn't even have well, I guess couldn't
get a close bond because of their age.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
They actually did have a pretty close bond.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
Oh they did.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Yeah, they actually did have a close bond. But you know, Abby,
Abby was the kind of person that she was like
a sweetheart. Most people would tell you that she was
a great, you know person, a big hearted woman that
would do anything for anybody. But unfortunately she had two
people that hated her, and both of them lived at
that house as her stepdaughters. So the only friend and
that Abbey really had in the house was the maid,

(09:01):
Bridget Sullivan. Bridget worked for him for I believe it
was three years, so she had been there for the
whole time. And on the morning of August fourth, Bridget
fixed breakfast everybody. This is what we do. No, she
fixed breakfast for everybody in the household. The people who
set down to breakfast was Abby and Andrew, but they

(09:22):
also had a visitor who had spent the night the
night before, and his name was John Morse. Now, John
Morse was Andrew's brother in law. He was the brother
of his first wife, Sarah. Oh okay, okay, So he
came and spent the night. There's a lot of confusion
as to why he really came in or what kind
of connections there were. There's obviously some kind of meeting
that took place. Now, John Morse left at around eight

(09:45):
forty five to visit a relative across the street. Andrew
left at around ten am to go down and get
a haircut in a shave. Now, he stopped by the
bank and a few businesses to collect some rent along
the way. This is how they were able to police
to to establish a timeline on one All this stuff
had now Bridget the maid was told by Abby sometime

(10:05):
during this to go clean the downstairs windows inside and out. Okay,
Now that comes into play a little bit later. Now,
Lizzie had come downstairs after the other people had had
already eaten, and she was eating, you know, a little
bit of breakfast. She was reading a magazine and she
said at approximately nine am, someone knocked on the door
and gave Abby a message as someone was sick, and

(10:28):
she told Lizzie that she was going to go out
and while she was out she would pick up dinner. Okay,
So to keep in mind, it was around nine o'clock
ten forty five, Andrew Borden returned home. Bridget the maid
let him in, almost said Bridget the midget, that's a
foreign star. Oh, so Bridget let him in. He went

(10:53):
to the sitting room, and Bridget went upstairs around eleven o'clock.
So what we've got now is we've got at Abbey
Borden leaving the house supposedly at nine am, or that's
what according to Lizzie. And then the father came back
under at ten forty five and then went to the
sitting room, and Bridget went upstairs at eleven. So now

(11:15):
there's nobody down there with him. At the time, Lizzie
supposedly was in the barn looking for some lead to
make a sinker. I don't know what for. Some people
say she was to make a sinker. Some people said
she was looking for an iron for a screen, which
this is all stuff. I guess it was relevant back then,
but I don't know what she would be making lead

(11:35):
for a sinker for unless she was going fishing or something.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
Yeah, that's what I'm.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
So, she said she heard a weird sound. She ran
to the house. She found her father dead. He had
received eleven blows to the head with a very sharp
heavy object.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
Oh god, that's horrible.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Some of the blows cut his nose. One of them
even cut his.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
Eye in half, like his actual eyeball, his eyeball.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Doctor Bowen, who at one time was a Civil war
doctor who so he had seen a lot. He came
in to look at the body and he said he
was sickened by the sight, that's how bad it was.
So he went into the kitchen where Lizzie was, and
she was sitting and she was being comforted by Alice
Russell and Miss Churchill who was the next door neighbor.
And now Alice Russell you'll find out later he is

(12:19):
actually a really good friend to Lizzie. That's who she
confided in all the time. And like I said, miss
Churchill just happened to live next door. So Lizzie asked
Bridget if she'd go upstairs to see if Miss Boorden
was home. Bridget said she didn't want to go by herself,
so miss Churchill offered to go with her. They got
to the seventh step and they could look over to

(12:40):
their left and see into the door, and they could
see Abby laying on the floor. Now Abby had received
nineteen blows, all but one hit her in the head,
and the one that didn't hit her in the head
hit her in the neck. She died approximately nine thirty am,
an hour and a half before mister Bordon died.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Now the first question is why is it such a
violent crime or was this just out of plain hatred
or was this a planned attempt to make it look
like that a maniac had kind of you know, broke
in and did it, and you know, not that it
was planned by any means. So keep in mind back
in a little small town in eighteen nineties, the police

(13:25):
weren't really accustomed to.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Dealing with such Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, So the crime scene was not handled in a
way the crime scene made the OJ trial look like,
you know, yeah, I think of beauty compared to what
this was. So they had didn't quarantine the place offer
or according to place off, and they had people coming
in and taking souvenirs and stealing stuff that actually could

(13:51):
have been evidence.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
While the bodies were in the house still, Yeah, what
a bunch of sickos.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
So there were several hatchets in the cellar. One had
fresh had a freshly broken handle on it and had blood,
so they, you know, said this must be the thing,
even though it was never proven that that was the
actual murder weapon. And there'll be a couple of reasons
while we'll get into that. But witnesses saw Bridget the

(14:21):
maid outside cleaning the windows. The front and the back
doors were locked, but someone could have gotten in through
the cellar door because it was unlocked. So you got
witnesses now that saw Bridget outside, so that kind of
gives her an alibi. Emma, the sister was out of
town during all this, so that left her. Yeah, that

(14:43):
left Lizzie in the house, so she became the main suspect.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
While was Bridget locked out of the house. I mean,
why were the doors locked if she was outside doing windows?

Speaker 3 (14:52):
I have no idea, Kay, go ahead, Probably the same
reason y'all keep the doors locked when you're inside and
there's nothing going on outside, you know. Yeah, all I
know is I get stuck out in the rain a.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
Lot trying to search, Like I know, but I ain't playing.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
So the officer that was in charge was named Officer Fleet,
like Andy Griffith was the Fleet and the band with
the beat. Yeah, see another Andy Griffith's reference. So this
Officer Fleet, he asked Lizzie about her mom, and Lizzie
kind of went off a little bit and made it

(15:28):
clear that she was not her mom, she was her stepmom,
that her mom died when she was two, and Fleet
took that as being indicative of her guilt, and that
was one of the main reasons that they used to
try to bring her to trial and make her a
true suspect.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
I mean, that would be the last thing I would
think that would pop out of my mouth through all
of that, that excuse me, that's.

Speaker 5 (15:50):
Not my mom.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Well, so here's where the things start getting kined of tricky.
There were four or five witnesses to say they saw
a man in the Borden's yard or right after the
crime at around eleven am. Now, after police had Lizzie
as a suspect, they weren't really interested in looking for
any of the suspects. They were convinced that's who she had.
And you know, let's be honest, there was a panic

(16:14):
in this small town thing, and there was a murderer
on the loose, and it was a whole lot easier
for them to calm the panic down by them pretty
much saying, oh, we've got somebody. And not only we
got somebody, but it was an inside deal, so there's
not some guy running around, and that made people feel better.
But let's go back to the man outside. At least
four couples with nothing to gain saw a horse and

(16:37):
buggy parked in front of the house from nine am
to eleven am. Doctor Handy, who was just a guy
that just happened to be walking around, but he was
a medical doctor, said he saw a very pale faced
man walking back and forth in front of the house,
very kind of eerily walking back and forth, kind of pacing. Now,

(16:58):
Lizzie said that had come to the house a few
times and had had some arguments with her dad, and
that he was supposed to be there earlier that day.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
Oh so like a business dude. Maybe right.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Well, you'll find out it's a little more detailed as
we get into it. The night before the murder, Luzzy
did a bunch of stuff that kind of implicated her
and made her look bad. I don't know if she
thought she was trying to make herself look good or
what her tying was. But the night before the murder,
Lizzie told Alice Russell, that's the young lady that was
their comforter, and I said, she confided in that her

(17:34):
father had an enemy, that the house had been broken into,
and she feared that the milk might be poisoned. That's
very specific. Well, yeah, and she even slept with one
eye open because she was afraid that the house would
be burned down around her.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
So that would get tiresome.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, I would think. So that sounds more like a
Metallica song. Oh yeah, but and please don't sing.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
I just I'm not going to sing. I promise, guys.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
But the day before the murder, Lizzie went into a
pharmacy to buy prussic acid, supposedly to clean a silskin cape.
And this is like the second story with the prussic acid,
because if you remember when we did the Aardelle, Yeah, god,
that sounds familiar. The guy committed suicide, the one guard
from the hospital, Yeah, committed suicide by drinking pressic acid.

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And so she said that's what she wanted to force
clean a silkin cape. They denied her the forgetting it
because she didn't have a prescription for it. Apparently you
had to have prescription for it. When they asked her
about it. The police asked her, she just flat up said, oh,
I didn't go with her to buy any acid. Well,
they had evidence from testimony that she did. Actually he's

(18:46):
not role. So August tenth, eighteen ninety two, before warrant
could be issued in the state of Massachusetts, they had
to do an inquest. An inquest basically was to turn
whether there was actually a crime committed and who likely commited.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
I understand that is the dumbest thing I ever heard.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
But it's also to try to make sure that the
person that there. It's not so much that there was
a crime committed, because there was a crime committed, but
they were trying to make sure that this person they
think this person committed to crime before they went with
a warrant. So at the inquest, she was aggressively questioned
and her story kept changing. One point in time, she

(19:28):
said that when her father came in, she was outside
and I heard her noise, and then she came in
and found her dad died. Her dad dead. She found her.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
She was just nervous.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Well. But then then she said at one point in
time that she was upstairs when it happened when her father,
when her father came in came into the house, she
was upstairs. And then she said that she was in
the kitchen ironing some sheets, like I don't know who
the hell.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
Iron true to hell? Irons? Whatever?

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Go ahead, Sorry, well, clans people probably did. Oh gosh,
you want to look good when you go out in
public with your dress whites.

Speaker 5 (20:07):
Oh that's not good. That's terrible that she I don't know.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
She does not make no sense because number one, if
she was upstairs when the dad was downstairs getting murdered,
well her apparently her mom was already dead, wasn't she
She didn't see her body laying there?

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yes, not, but she said, and then she said, at
one point in time she was on the steps. One
of the things that she said was that when her
dad came in, she came down there and took his
boots off and put his slippers on. But in the
crime scene photo, he's still got his boots on.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
Oh he does.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, So you know, it's like I said, it just
kept changing, He kept changing, and they had pictures of that,
so yeah, but the most daming testimony came from Alice Russell,
who was her friend, because Alice said two days after
that had red paint on it and put it in
the stove and burned it. Wow, red paint.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
Yeah, come on girl.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
So that was enough to have her arrested. So she
spent nine months in jail and then a month in
jail during the trial. But her trial started June fifth,
eighteen ninety three. Press flooded from all over the place.
This really was equivalent to the OJ file or OJ trial.
They had people from all over the world coming in

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to do press on this thing. She had three defense attorneys,
obviously the best money could buy, because they had money.
The prosecution focused on Lizzie's inconsistent statements and that the
prussic acid. But both of those were excluded from the trial.
Why well, mainly because, well, first of all, on the

(21:49):
inconsistent statements because her attorney wasn't there during the inquisition
or the inquest. Yeah, so they said since he wasn't
there to be able to answer ask questions on her behalf,
they couldn't use that. And then the prussic acid. This
is going to sound extremely stupid. The Prussic acid because
they said it was a different way of killing entirely
that would have been poisoning, and this was done with

(22:10):
an axe. And because because of the fact that it
was a different style of our method of killing, and
because it wouldn't relevant because it was the day before,
not the day of the murders. That's why they threw
that out. I think those judges may have been the
same officials from the Kentucky North Carolina game. That's what
I think.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
I think we should investigate that.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Now. The other funny thing that goes in with this
whole Prussic acid thing is they also did, and this
is kind of a neat thing to find out, they
also did an autopsy on their stomachs and they couldn't
find any poison. And the odd thing about this is

(22:54):
and Chanel mentions this a little bit. The autopsies were
done on the kitchen table in the dining room. Oh nice,
So that's that's where they did it. At The other
interesting thing that come out of this they cut the
heads off of Abby and Andrew Borden. Why because they
brought the skulls to the trial so they could show

(23:19):
the damage to the skulls, and then after the trial
they actually buried This is kind of ironic. They actually
buried the heads at the foot of the grave.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Okay, I have a question, and it's probably gonna sound
really stupid. So was there anything on the skull? Did
they take the meat off?

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yeah? All the meat was gone. It was just a skull.

Speaker 5 (23:40):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
I guess they probably h h holmestead and put some
put it in some asset or something.

Speaker 5 (23:46):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
So they actually had these, but they were showing this
and and they could use the hatchet that they had.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
Yeah, I mean, I guess I can see that.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
And see that was the other thing like when the
police first came there and they didn't even take any
of the hatchets. They noticed there were hatchets, and they
didn't take any of them as thinking it was a murder. Well,
they went back later and got the hatchet.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
But why did they put the head at the foot?

Speaker 3 (24:11):
They said they put the heads. They buried the heads
at the foot of the grave. I thought that was ironic.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
I don't know. That sounds pretty messed up back in
those days. I don't know about that, all right, So.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Let's get back to the trial, the dress burning, how
do you get out of that? Well, she had two
witnesses that said that there was paint on a dress,
that they had seen paint on a dress. Now, while
all of a sudden she decided that two days later
and it needed to be burned. Who knows.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
Yeah, she didn't make very good decisions for sure.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
And like I said, the whole Prussic acid deal, we know,
the jury was on men. And now that comes into
play because you're sitting looking at at an attractive woman
killed her her dad and her step mom, and you
got a jury of twelve men who basically couldn't imagine
their daughter doing such a thing. And then the bloodstained

(25:08):
acts was supposedly cow's blood on it, is what they said.
So they somehow, some way, somehow they knew it was
cow's blood. So she was acquitted of all charges for
lack of evidence. I mean, they really didn't have any
real proof tying her to it. Ten months she spent

(25:30):
in jail and now she's free. But people, people are
very hateful, and just like oj gets treated today, she
was treated the same way. I mean, little kids would
sit outside of her door and sing that song. It
was a game to them, and that's kind of how

(25:51):
she was known. Now, several people from all over the
world would send it in letters to the city, basically saying, hey,
if you pay us the money and hire us, what
comes off his crime. But the most interesting letter it
came from a man claiming to be Andrew Borden's illegitimate son. Now,

(26:12):
I think this is the most interesting of all of
but you're going to see how many twists and turns
this thing takes. According to the letter, William Borden said
that he wanted a recognition from his father, and he
demanded five thousand dollars, to which Andrew refused. He also
said that the Bordons were not killed by any members
of the immediate family members because he did it. That's
what it said in this letter. What yep. Now, According

(26:36):
to author Arnold Brown, Abby Borden couldn't stand the fact
that there was an illegitimate son out there, and it
caused all kinds of animosity between William, which was the
illegitimate son her and Andrew. Now he also said that
William had scheduled a meeting with Andrew the day of

(26:56):
the murders, which is the same thing Lizzie.

Speaker 5 (26:59):
Said, isn't that white pasty was it?

Speaker 3 (27:01):
It's very possible because he fits the description. But he
also fits the description of somebody else, which we'll get into.
But Brown said that he believes that Lizzie had a
hand in the murders, and that Lizzie told him that
the cellar door would be unlocked. Because remember we covered
that the doors were locked, but the cellar was unlocked. Now,
the only safe room in the whole house during this

(27:22):
time would have been Lizzie's room, which guess where Lizzie
was when supposed to this happened upstairs. Now, he came in,
came in up the steps. This is what this author
Brown seems to think happened. So he thinks he came
up to steps, he killed Miss Bourdon, and then when
Andrew came home, he killed him as well, and took

(27:44):
Andrew's will with him. Well, why would he take a
will with him? That's kind of an odd thing. Well,
Lizzie knew that her father was leaving the bulk of
her future and fortune to Abby, and she was kind
of pissed off about that she was going to be
getting nothing. You got a thirty two year old woman
with no job, no husband living at home. What's going

(28:05):
to happen if her father, who was already seventy two
years old, dies, Abby gets everything and then she's kind
of out and you know, with both of her parents
dead and no will her and her sister would inherit everything,
So you know, now, Brown bases this on a very
interesting account by Henry Hawthorne. Now Harry Hawthorne actually wrote

(28:28):
a diary and these things were discovered at a later time.
But a few years after the murders. Henry says that
he went to work for a farmer. He was a
little boy at the time, like ten eleven years old.
He went to work for a farmer by the name
of William Borden, and he said that he later as
he got older, he married the daughter of Ella Egan,

(28:51):
and Ell Egan was a witness in this case, so
of the whole Lizzie Bordon case. Now, in a detailed
conversation he had with his mother in law, which was
Ellen Egan's mother, she said that she had mentioned that
she was scared of someone coming by, someone coming on
the outside door. So she was walking by the house

(29:12):
that day of the murders and somebody came out the
side door and scared her. And he was carrying a
large cloth bag. And keep in mind, that's kind of
what people were saying, that they saw the guy out there.
All these witnesses saying they saw somebody out there. So
that reminded Henry of the fact that when he worked

(29:35):
for William a long time before that, he would talk
to his hatchet like he would be chopping wood and stuff,
and he would just stop and have conversations with his hatchet.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Like Tom Hanks and Wilson.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Pretty much pretty much. And the other thing is, oddly enough,
he carried that hatchet everywhere he went in a cloth bag.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
So he recalled one conversation that he overheard. He heard
that William Borden talking to his hatchets say, you know
my father and that fat sow he was married when
that he should have married my mother. Of course you
know them, you were there when they died. Now this
is what the little boy wrote in the diary years later. Now,
William Borden died in nineteen oh one, so not too

(30:18):
too long after all this took place. Yeah, now we
got different accounts. Historian George quickly he thinks that someone
was hired to kill Abby and Andrew. He believed that Lizzie,
Emma and John Morris. You remember John Morris, that was
your uncle. He believes that John found out that there
was a will, and that he was somehow affected by

(30:41):
the will. And he believed that the girls acted, or
they actually asked John if they could get rid of Abby,
and John hired a guy named William Davis to kill Abbey. Now,
William Davis was a guy who's the chop wood. His
dad was a butcher, and so they, you know, and
here owned some what do you call it slaughterhouses, and

(31:05):
this guy, this guy was a butcher and his dad
was a butcher, and he worked for his dad there,
so he knew the family very well, so it wouldn't
have been odd for him to come into the house.
And most people found that John Morris was very suspicious
to begin with. First of all, he couldn't remember what
they had for breakfast that morning when he was questioned.

(31:25):
But somehow, some way, he knew the name of the
trolley car. He knew the conductor's name, and the name
of six Irish priests that he was traveling to on
the way to Saint Mary's Church. So it's kind of
too perfect. He had a perfect alibi the way too
planned out. So normally, on the day of that the
murders happened, a farmer from Swansea would bring eggs to

(31:50):
the house, but for some reason, Morse went to him
and picked up the eggs and saved him a trip.
That's what he told him, I'm saving you a trip.
But he told the family that he went there because
the farmer was sick and he couldn't make it out
to the house. But how would John Morse know that
the farmer was sick. Yeah, he just randomly went out
there and or just had a feeling or you know,

(32:10):
So that's kind of the first thing. So quickly also
thinks that William Davis strangled Abby and then he went
downstairs because Andrew came home early, he strangled him too,
and then mutilated both of the bodies so it would
look like, you know, they wanted it to be natural causes,
but they were afraid that if you'd seen they were strangled,

(32:34):
it would be you know, construed to something else, so
they decided to just butcher it just make it look
like a complete catastrophe.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
I cannot imagine somebody sitting there and just repeatedly hitting
somebody in the head with a sharp axe.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
And you also got witnesses that said that there was
a man standing in the north yard shortly after the
murders and he leaned slightly to the left. Now that
could mean some type of an affliction or something like that.
And if you look at William Davis who died in
nineteen hundred, the cause of death was a tumor to
his neck and brain which could have caused him to
be off balance and linked to the left. So now

(33:09):
you got two different people that were seeing out there.
That could be two totally different people. Witnesses saw two
different guys out there apparently. So now the Sunday after
the murder, John Morris went to the post office and
he was seen by a police officer, so he went
in after him. And what John was doing was he
had mailed a letter to William Davis and it said

(33:33):
without haste at the bottom of the letter, which basically means,
you know, hurry to get his tongue. And they assumed
that probably what happens. He probably paid William Davis half
of the money to do the killings, and he was
sending to the other half after they were done. Now,
some believe there was more than one murderer, and there's

(33:53):
lots of inside help. That's kind of the direction that
people went. Pamela Raskin, who's a historian, she believes that
John Morrise killed Abby Abbey before he ever left the house,
you know, with his fantastic alibi, and then someone else
came in and killed Andrew. Some think that Bridget the
maid could have actually done it.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
Now she was out washing windows.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Well, she was out washing windows, but she also had
access to water so she could clean up and everything.
So I mean, I'm just saying she could have cleaned
herself up and been out there. She could have committed
to murder and then been outside. Nobody knows when she
was outside, if that was before or after.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
I don't buy that, but it's too much blood and
guts to well.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
The other the other story that involves her was the
fact that you know, it was hot outside supposedly, and
she was she didn't feel good that day and she
was told to clean the windows inside. Now when she
didn't feel good, and she could just taken the abuse
out on Abbey. Okay, That's just one of the many
different things.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
Number one, I just don't believe that because, like I said,
that was a heck of a lot of swinging of
an axe. And the last thing thing you want to
do is go clean windows. You're exhausted, you're tired, your
arms are tired, you don't feel like scrubbing the windows.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
So I don't think Bridget did it.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
True story Lynn Rebello, he's a historian. He thinks that
Bridget knew what was going on, but she didn't contribute
any way, shape or for him. There's another kind of inferred,
but not straight out said that incest could have played
a pardon this. It was strongly hinted that John Morris

(35:25):
and Andrew Borden were also having ancestual affairs with Abby,
I mean, not Abby, I'm sorry with Lizzie. So could
it have been a situation where she just cracked and
just decided, you know, because you see sometimes these people
just they go into a state where they just don't
even know what they're doing. They're just.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Off.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
I have no idea. I'm sure you would have been
really helpful during this inquest. Now, one of the other
things that came up is ms Churchill. Remember her, She's
the one that went upstairs.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
And now she made a comment at the trial that
she said she saw something in that house that morning
that she would never repeat even if they cut her
tongue out, which makes sense they cut her tongue out.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
You definitely care what it was.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
I don't know. She never told anybody. I took it
to her grave. Lizzie and her sister. After all this
was done, they sold the house and they moved guess
where on the hill? Up on the hill, and Lizzie
had the house named Maple Grove, that's what she named it.
Now there's a Evan Hunter, he's a crime story writer.

(36:39):
He was talking about that over the mantle, she had
carved something that said, at home in my own country.
And he took that as when you read the that
came from an Irish poem, and when a Scottish poem,
I'm sorry, And when you read that whole poem out,
it almost leads you to believe believe that for her

(37:01):
to take that saying it basically means you're just you're
finally at home, you feel at home. Yeah, And he
thinks that it's very possible that she was harboring a
dark secret, and that dark secret was that she was
a lesbian. Well, I know you laugh, but here's some

(37:25):
other As he starts digging into it, here's what he
found out.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
I did not you know you were going in that
direction whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
At the turn of a century, a man brought charges
against his wife for lesbianism, and he listed Lizzie as
a correspondent. That actually, that's you will hear sometimes people
as negative slang that we would never use. They will
call lesbian, sometimes Leslie's. Sometimes they'll call them Lizzie's. And

(37:54):
Lizzie's is where this came from. So he had listened
to her as that, and it was dismissed because the
judge said it was a frivolous June third, nineteen oh five,
there was an a I guess you could say she
was an actress, but she was kind of in a
lot of musicals. Her name was Nance O'Neill, and she

(38:14):
was a good friend of Lizzie's and she came to
a party. Well, for whatever reason, I told you her
and em over together for a long time. You gotta
keep in mind this was, you know, almost ten years
after the trial, and her sister is still living together.
Her sister left and never saw Lizzie again. She consulted
a reverend. She told the reverend that she had seen
things that she did not feel comfortable discussing, and the

(38:39):
reverend said, based on what she told him, that she
should just not be a part of it because it
wouldn't the kind of things good Christians should be around.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
What Lisdsey's sister said that.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
That's what Lizzie's sister said. So Lizzie's sisters left, I
don't know. You ask a lot of questions really aren't
pertinent to the count. You would to know what color
dress Lizzie Byrne or any of that. Maybe what kind
of acts was it? You know, did it come from
Harbor Freight or was it something from Lowe's or anything
else you'd like to know. Went So the sister moves out,

(39:14):
and the main reason was supposedly she was having an
affair with this nance O'Neil. So what does all this
have to do with a crime that was committed thirteen
years before that? With some believe that you know, the
boarders lived in a very cramped up house. There there
was a bunch of them women at the house. You
had the maid, you had mister and miss Bordon, two

(39:34):
of the daughters. They're always running into each other, running
over top of each other, passing each other on the stairs.
There was very cramped, and you know, the day of
the murders, you had supposedly Emma's out of town, so
you got Andrew or the mom. Abby had left to
go do something. It wasn't going to be back for

(39:55):
a while. And then you got Andrew left and he
wasn't gonna be back for a while. So a lot
of people tend to assume that the maid and Lizzie
actually were having relations, and maybe what had happened was,
you know, it was a hot day. Abby had left,
maybe realized that her dress was a little too hot,

(40:17):
came back to change her clothes, and she caught the
girls in bed together. She obviously, this being that time period,
would have probably went off and called her every name
in the book and you know, this is unacceptable and
this is ungodlike and all this which would have caused
her to then probably kill Abby. Now they think if

(40:37):
this happened, there was a situation with a candlestick to
where mister Mustard and then no, seriously, there was a
situation where there was a candlestick that was out of
place downstairs that mister Borden had mentioned, And they think
what could have happened was she got pissed off at Abby.

(41:01):
Since Abby turned, she grabbed the candlestick, hit her in
the head, probably killed her, rushed downstairs. She put the
candlestick where it didn't belong, and it was laying like downstairs. Well,
when mister Borden comes home, he's like, well, the candlestick.
What's this candlestick doing here? And they're like, don't worry
about it, it's you know, we'll take it back upstairs.
And he's like, no, I'll take it upstairs. And then
as he went to go upstairs, she just took care

(41:22):
of him too.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
I don't know about this whole damn story. It's been
all over the place, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
It's all over the place, And so that's kind of
that's kind of the story. Nobody really knows what happened.
Nobody ever followed up on it. I would hate to
either garner a guess as to what happened, but if
I got a feeling, probably everybody was tied into this
one way, shape or form. But I think Lizzie probably

(41:50):
did know that you know, she wasn't going to be
getting any fortune. I think that that William Borden, the illegitimate,
probably did show up. There was too many people send
him outside with his bag and he was talking to
his axe, so he was a nut job to begin with.
And that's my guess. That's what I think probably happened.
I think they probably orchestrated the whole thing, and her

(42:11):
uncle was probably in on it too, and you know,
they all split the money and moved on the hill,
and it is what it is.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
I don't know, I think.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
I mean, of course, any murders terrible, but with this
being as horrific as it was to play out like
it did, just that's mind bottling to me.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
And she ended up when she ended up dying, she
left a lot of money to charities, and she even
left an endowment to constantly keep taking care of her
father's grave for years after she was gone. So cool,
I mean, I guess, yes, that's a pretty close goes.

Speaker 5 (42:44):
I don't know, that's that's that is the most bizarre
thing ever.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
So anyway, that is our story on Lizzie Borden. So
you can make your own decision and you'll be probably
just as right as anybody else, and nobody seems to know.
One hundred years later, I'm all about happiness. I like
to spreads here. I know, Hey, ask me a question.
I'm just kidding. Okay, So now we're going to get

(43:09):
a chance for you guys to listen to the interview
with Chanel and hopefully enjoy her. This young lady. I'm
telling you, I can't express enough how happy we were
because she is actually a bona fide star and she
basically just approached us and said, hey, I love the show.
What you'll hear say a couple of times during the interview,
And like I said, I didn't have to go through

(43:29):
publishers or press agents or anything to talk to her.
She reached out to us. And we greatly appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (43:36):
Yes, we do very much.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
So take a listen and we'll be back in just
a second. All right, guys, welcome back to Hillbilly Horror Stories,
and Tracy and I are joined by probably one of
the most versatile actresses that you're ever going to come
across on the silver screen and probably magazines and calendars.
And you'll see what I'm talking about as we get

(43:58):
into this interview. Please welcome miss Chanelle, Ryan Chanell, thank
you for coming on board, Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
I'm psyched to be here. Your show is great, and
as we've discussed, I'm a huge fan of the paranormal.
So yay.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Well, let's talk a little bit about you to get started,
and then we'll tell everybody why you're going to be here.
I mentioned it you re versatile, and the reason I
say that is because you are not only fantastic and
comedic roles, but especially here in the last several years,
you have really made a big splash in the horror genre,

(44:33):
which I know a lot of our fans are going
to be into. Can you tell us a little bit
about what you like as far as being an actress.
Do you prefer comedy? Do you prefer horror? Do you
like everybody to say, just just kind of give me
some insight.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
You know, comedy is my first love, but horror is
so much fun to make, and within the horror genre,
I really get offered all these amazing roles, and you know,
as an actress, I'm a little bit more I'm nowhere
near where I want to be, but I'm you know,
a little bit more established in the indie horror scene,

(45:08):
specifically in the horror genre. And you know, when you're
starting out, you take what's offered to you and you
you know, you make the best of it. And so
you know, there's so many horror films made because the
fans are just insatiable. So I just kept booking a
lot of horror films and you know, some of them

(45:29):
really took off and others developed cult followings. And here
I am talking to you. Yeah, you know, within the
horror genre, just the type of roles that I get
offered and the type of characters I get to play
are so much fun. And they just know you're living

(45:51):
in these crazy, high stress situations and going through things
that you probably are not going to go through and
other types of films. So for that reason, I love
the horror genre. And not to mention the fans for
the horror genre are the absolute best.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Yeah, they can be kind of manic. I would say,
we're actually getting ready to set up later this year
at Scarfest in Lexington. It's kind of like Comic Con
but for horror freaks. And you know, we've been there
the last couple of years, not set up, but this
will be our first year setting up, but we've been
there as fans and it's just amazing how many people,
over fifteen thousand people will pack through.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
There's packed.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Well my first experience, really, that's not true. I've done
appearances at Chiller Theater before, which is for the East Coast,
Chiller Theater is definitely the largest, like horror autograph convention
type thing, and you know there's some pop culture thrown
in there, but it's predominantly horror. And then for the

(46:51):
Midwest it's Texas Fright Mare and my first really big
experience with the horror fans, I had a film called
Circus of the Dead and we premiered it at Texas
Fright Maare. I want to say it was two Mays ago,
so just about almost two years ago, and I didn't

(47:12):
really know what to expect. I've done a lot of
these different appearances at different conventions and the fans were
always nice. But within the horror genre, you would expect
the fans would maybe be a little bit weird. They
are the nicest, warmest people, They are so supportive. They
just it was really great to be really embraced by
a genre and I was just blown away by just

(47:35):
the great reception that we goten we premiered Circus of
the Dead there and so it screened on Friday night
and then again Saturday night, and I'm telling you, the
theater was salammed. People were sitting, all the seats were filled,
people were sitting on the floor in the front of
the theater, standing up along the walls, sitting in the aisles.

(47:55):
People were, you know, pouring out of the theater. Everyone
was chanting, we want the cl It was pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
I gotta say, well that sounds I mean, I mean,
what a good way to promote your movie there. I
mean that can have been you know, that's just great
and having all those fans show up like that, and man,
that's what I think for people.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Who are in an indie horror film. I mean, what
a great way to market and get publicity for your
film by having it at one of these really high
profile conventions where you know, the websites alone get a
ton of traffic, all the fans go through the site,
There's tons of press there. So it's really a great

(48:38):
venue to premiere your film.

Speaker 5 (48:41):
Well, good for you all.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
That's amazing and we definitely know how big Texas is
when it comes to this because Texas is our biggest state.
Uh yeah, even though we're even though we're from here.
When we look at the every time we look at
the ratings of the show for the top ten cities
are almost always in Texas.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Well, I feel like the biggest I mean, it sounds
like you guys are saying the same thing to the
biggest what's the word concentration of? I think horror filmmakers
that I'm aware of as well, at least in the
indie scene as well as fans, are definitely in Texas.
I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Well, we talked to We've got a good friend by
the name of Katie Stewart from Louisville, and she actually
she's into the indie horror scene. She's she was actually
in a movie with a mutual friend of yours, al
snow over Time, and and you know, so I've got
to see kind of her take on how this this

(49:36):
indie horror films have been taken off lately. So it's
kind of cool to meet somebody else that that's made
a splash. Can we talk about a couple of other
movies you were in, Uh, touch on a little bit
about Haunting of Alice, and Bad Kids Go to Hell
h The.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Haunting of Alice D. It's funny Al was in that
as well. I did two films with Alice, with al
snow Dorothy and The Witches of Oz and then The
Haunting of Alstee. I am friends with Jess Or Jessica Sonenborn.
She is the writer, director, and one of the producers

(50:12):
as well as the actress in Alice D. And I
came on board the project when they were basically already cast.
And I want to say it was a couple of
weeks before they were filming and we were talking and
I was just really impressed by what she had put together.
And she said, Hey, you know, do you want to
come out and play Caine Hadter's evil sidekick? And I

(50:34):
was like sure, And so it filmed in Rhode Island
and the whole thing takes place in this amazing, huge
Victorian mansion right on the beach in Rhode Island. Yeah,
so they were able. Jess really does things. She really
it's impressive what she's able to do with a small budget,

(50:56):
Like she really knows how to successfully maximize funds and
make the best movie possible on the least amount of money.
So they housed basically the whole crew in the house,
and you know, I could have stayed in a hotel
or in the house. I like, I want to stay
in the house. And just the sense of being there

(51:18):
was really cool. And it snowed, which was also amazing.
I haven't seen snow. I'm originally from the East Coast,
but I haven't seen snow on the beach since I
was little, So it was really I woke up I
think the second day of filming, and there was I
was in the second story room, our third story, second story,

(51:39):
and I look out the window and on the roof
there's snow, and the whole beach is covered in snow.
It was pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (51:43):
I think I've ever seen that ever.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
It was really amazing. And then what else did you ask?
So bad kids go to Hell? It's interesting. I met
the So it's originally based on a best selling comic
book or graphic novel, and the writers are Matthew Spradlin
and Basa or Barry Warnick, and I originally met them.

(52:12):
I was doing an appearance in Toronto at wizard World,
which is another one of these autograph conventions, and they
came up to me and I remember Baza said, he's,
you know, screaming from like a across the showroom floor.
You're a Miss Glayson. And I was like, okay, crazy,
Like I don't know who Miss Gleason is, but sure.

(52:36):
And so they came up and were talking to me
and they basically said, you know, we've written this comic
book and we're getting ready to do a film based
on the comic book, and we have a character. She's
the cheerleading coach slash history teacher, and her name is
Miss Glayson and you look just like what we envisioned
from her, and you know, we're interested in having you

(52:57):
play her. And I was like, oh cool. And long
story short, we hung out a little bit in Canada.
I was actually hosting a club and they came out
and we had a really good time, and then we
kept in touch by email. And I want to say,
was it six months later or so? I got an
email basically saying, Hey, we're moving forward with this. We're

(53:18):
in the casting stages. You know we're interested in you
for this role. Can you put it on tape so
we can see your take on it? And I was
like absolutely, And long story short, I put it on
tape tape, and it was pretty cool because within like
a couple of minutes, the casting person got back to me. Uh,
one of the producers got back to me and the

(53:40):
director and they were always like that, you know, that
was amazing, and obviously I got the role because you know,
here I am and yeah, I don't know what else
to tell you. We filmed it in Texas, in Dallas
and Austin, and it seems like every time I film
in Texas, they want to wait till like late late June,
in early July or August when it's really hot. Yeah,

(54:04):
So I just remember that was my first experience really
with the summer heat in Texas, and it was one
of those things where you get out of the car
to the location and it's like, ooh, yes, like one
hundred and ten degree heat in the committee, and then
as soon as you get inside the air conditioning, it's
just freezing. Yeah. That was a lot of fun to

(54:26):
film and such a great character. So I'm really thankful
to have been part of that, and that has a
really nice fan base as well. People seem to really
like that film.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Well, we can't talk about that without parlaying into another
cheerleading question, because I may be one of the few
people out there that absolutely love the movie Basketball. It's
an odie, but a goodie. But I'm you know, Parker
and Stone who do South Park. For those of you
unfamiliar with the movie, it's I mean, that had to
be almost twenty years ago, and back when South Park

(55:01):
was really big. They came out with this movie. They
wrote it, they starred in it, and I just thought
it was absolutely hilarious. It was one of those goofy
kind of movies that you know, in line with the
other Zucker films, and I just loved it. But a
lot of people may not remember it, but you were
actually a cheerleader in that movie, am I correct?

Speaker 2 (55:19):
I was. You know, it's interesting, that's one of the
first things I did. I was a teenager. I was
just a kid, and we worked on that for I
was one of the fell and cheerleaders, which are there
was two main teams, the beers and the Felons, and
I was one of the fell and cheerleaders. And we
worked on that for more than a month. And it's

(55:42):
amazing how what happens in the editing. I think you
see me for you know, briefly, but yeah, Trey and
Parker were really great guys. They actually Trey Parker and
Matt Stone. They actually threw a really fun rat party
in Venice. Thanks guys. And oddly enough, if you I

(56:03):
remember the displays that were in the theaters, it was
it would feature the sort of the garage door with
the basketball hoop and then below it on the bottom.
I was on all the displays, and I have one
of them at home because we actually stole it from
the theater and brought it home with us. I was,
you know, I'm not very large, but I'm in the
bottom left corner. I believe in my little leather cheerleading't

(56:27):
get up. And instead of palm poms, we had sort
of those leather tasseled witch.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
Has.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
We're all like kind of motorcycle oriented and really down
and dirty and greedy.

Speaker 5 (56:39):
Oh how fun it was.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Yeah, it was a fun, fun one to work on.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
Envy your life. It sounds amazing.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Some aspects of it are.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Yes, would you do you mind if I brag on
you for a few minutes, because go ahead, I want
to express to our fans how lucky we are to
have you on the show. But I also want to
want to talk about how great of a person you are,
because I talked about how approachable you are. And the
reason I say that is for the for the fans

(57:12):
out here who don't know exactly who you are. Some
of them will know you as soon as they see you.
They might not know you by name, but I mean,
you've been on the Howard Stern Show, You've been on
the Late Late Show with James Cordon, and did a
bit on there with John stainmos that my wife is
so envious.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Man, did touch everyone's wife and girlfriend is envious with me?

Speaker 5 (57:30):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Did you touch irenus with me as well?

Speaker 5 (57:33):
Well good they should be. Did you get to touch
John's hair?

Speaker 2 (57:37):
I got to touch his hair, face, his arms. Oh my,
incredibly nice guy, very professional what he does.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
All right, calm down over there. So anyways, So, I
mean she's worked with stars like Kevin Pollack, Bill Murray,
Christopher Lloyd, James Kahn, Shawn Aston. I mean I could
probably name thirty more that every out there and knows
who they are, and you know, not to mention that.
And I'm going to get off the subject. When I
talked about how versatile she is, I mean, she's had

(58:07):
her own swimsuit calendar. That's one awards. She's been, you know,
voted in magazines on four different continents as one of
the sexiest women in the world. She's been in Esquire, GQ, Maxim, Playboy,
a whole bunch of other magazines. And I say that
because she reached out to me, said she liked the podcast.

(58:28):
She's been on all these huge shows, and she had
no problem coming on the show. I didn't have to
go through a bunch of publicists or rank things. I
talked to her personally, and she couldn't be nicer. I
would have had no clue that she is as big
time as what she is based on how she comes across,
because she comes across as just a sincere, regular person.

(58:49):
And I appreciate that. I know these fans appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Yes, well that I think you afford me too much,
but thank you. I'll take it. My head's going to
be so large and won't be able to stay out
of the door.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
That's okay. I want you to touch on one other
thing that really isn't relate to any of this, and
we're going to get into the paranormal. But I understand
you're a huge animal activist and actually give some proceeds
to help that call. So I want you to give
a chance to speak about that. I am.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
It's funny, we're you know, it's if I could clone myself.
I have some items on eBay right now, but we're
getting ready to list a ton and from any of
my online sales or the different autograph appearances I'm doing.
I know I'm booked for one in the UK coming
up in Coventry in the fall, but I diverge so
I donate my proceeds to help animals in need. I

(59:38):
am an avid animal rescuer and you know rights activists.
My house is a revolving door for rescues, and I
do I'll say it now, but I generally every interview
that I do, I really like to end it with
a just to plead to everyone be kind to animals.
We're we're their voices and we're responsible for them. And

(59:59):
you know that so many people don't understand how important
it is to spay and neuter your pets. I think
they don't understand that one unnutered pet how many babies
that it can be responsible for, and then those babies
have babies and those babies have babies, and we have
such a population problem with these homeless, unwanted animals that

(01:00:23):
end up in shelters or starving on the streets or abused,
and you know we need to take responsibility and really
fix that. So fix your damn pets people, especially you
guys out there. It's amazing to me how many men,
and I know the men in my family are the
same way. I think they're somehow doing a disservice specifically

(01:00:43):
to their mail pets by fixing them, which is the
craziest thing possible. Like, by fixing your animals, they live longer,
healthier lives. They're less likely to try to run away
or break out of the yard or too through the
leash because you know they're in heat and they can
smell feenes. They are less likely if you have male cats,

(01:01:03):
to spray in your house or to be aggressive. So
just do it, people, Fix your pets. And then my
last plea on this is, if you're looking to get
a pet, go to your local shelter or rescue. There's
so many wonderful animals that need homes. Adopts. Don't shop
and be part of the solution, not the problem.

Speaker 5 (01:01:22):
Named man's system.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Yeah, we just took We just took the neighbor's dog
because we got tired of him walking around, so we
just took him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Oh good, Yeah, I'm glad to hear that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
So let's let's talk paranormal. The reason that that we
talked initially is because you told me that you had
an opportunity through through a friend of yours, to go
on a couple of adventures, and one of them was
the Lizzie Borden House. And we decided based on the

(01:01:54):
fact that I told you this just a day or
two before a fan we got up in the mass
Chusets area. She said, Hey, I think you should do
one on Lizzie Bordonhouse. And I really hadn't thought about it.
That's I'd look at that more as a true crime genre,
and we don't really do a whole lot of true crime,
but there are some other stuff that's happened in the
house afterwards, and I thought, you know what, but if

(01:02:16):
I talked to you and her and within a day
or two and you both mentioned this, it must be
meant to be. So tell me a little bit about
what happened when you were at the boarding house that was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
A really crazy, amazing experience. I was I was trying
to think where I was coming from. I think I
just finished actually doing an appearance at Chiller Theater. So
it was late October the beginning of November, and from
there I came into New York and I was staying
in this amazing apartment above the moment in New York City,

(01:02:48):
this killer House apartment, and my friend Lucky or Mike
Lukowski's name, he is a paranormal investigator, and so he
was coming over and we were going to hang out,
and we were basically like, Okay, we can hang out
in this kick ass apartment and you know, slide out
on the wood floors, look at the view and order food,

(01:03:09):
or we can get in the car and it was
rainy and stormy, and we can drive into Boston and
spend the night in the Lizzy Bordon House. Because he
happens to be friends. You know, her name is Escaping
me the girl. And I apologize if you're listening and
hear this, because I've met her, the girl who owns
the house. But I was like, hell, yeah, let's go
stay at the Bardon House. So we get in the car.

(01:03:32):
We arrived there it's about ten pm. It's stormy and rainy,
and oddly enough, there's a police car park in the
parking lot across the street. Not sure why, but they're there.
So we unload our stuff and the most popular room
in the house is the guest room, which is where
Missus Borden was murdered. And that is the only room

(01:03:53):
that's rented out, and so the people who rented the
room are already in there asleep. And then the who
owns the place, I guess when the rooms are rented,
she sleeps downstairs in the second parlor. So her and
her friend were down there, and so my friend Lucky
Hi Lucky for listening, had given me some info on

(01:04:14):
the house. And to my knowledge, there are nine spirits
that still reside there. Joseph the x Cohn, who was
killed in the basement. I guess the police came and
shot him down there. And I might be off on
some of my facts, but this is what I know,
so if I'm wrong, forgive me. So the spirit of
Missus Borden, mister Borden, the cat who I don't remember

(01:04:37):
the name, but that's what I was most interested in,
the maid, the butler, Lizzie, from what I understand, visits sometime,
but she really didn't like the house and so she's
not there all the time. And then there were two
kids who lived next door, and there I guess there
was a well that they shared with the Bordon family,

(01:04:58):
and the mother drowned the two kids in the well,
and the kids used to come upstairs and play in
one of the rooms in the attic. So we get
into the house and the first thing we do is,
you know, we're we get into a tour of the
house and we're walking around and you know, Lucky's showing
me everything and I'm just very open. And he'd already

(01:05:19):
told me ahead of time, you know, you have nothing
to be worried about. If there's anything evil, it's going
to come after me, not you, So I was like, okay, cool.
So basically we're going from room to room and he said,
you know, this is Missus Borden's favorite room. So I
basically was like, you know, hi, Missus Borden, thank you
so much for having us. Your house is beautiful, and

(01:05:40):
was just sort of talking to whoever he said would
be who liked to hang out in certain areas as
we walked but my biggest thing is I really wanted
to make contact with the cat. So everywhere we walked
throughout the house, I was like, here, kitty, kitty kitty. Here, kitty,
kitty kitty. So we put all of our suitcases and
stuff upstairs in the attic because that's where we were

(01:06:02):
going to be staying. And I'll get to more of
that in a minute. And so then we go we
head downstairs to the basement. That's where we were going
to start our investigation. And so if I'm if you
guys want to interrupt and interject, please do.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
I'm just letting you go.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
If not, I'll continue talking. So we go down to
the basement and there are sort of like stools that
you would sit on in a work, you know, the
wooden top with the metal legs type of thing. Yes,
and so, and he had told me ahead of time
we were going to start our investigation in the basement.
So the first thing we do is put all of
our suitcases and luggage upstairs because we're going to be

(01:06:40):
staying in the attic and I'll get to more of
that later. So we head down to the basement and
it's dark and rainy, and there are these work stools.
So I sit on one of the workstools, and I
should actually fill you in a little bit. So my
friend had said, you know, it's really good if you
wear long, jangly earrings because the spirit's like to move
your earrings around your hair and things like that. So

(01:07:01):
I wore long dangly earrings. And so I'm sitting on
the workstool and I'm very open, so you know, basically,
I sit down and I say hey, and let me
first say this first. So Joseph the x Con his
spirit supposedly resides in the basement, so I, you know,
was like, hey, Joseph, what's up. Nice to meet you.

(01:07:23):
It would be really cool if you could come out
and say hi. You know, we just left a badass
apartment in Manhattan to come and stay here, so come
and say hello to us. And then my friend Lucky
is very antagonistic and he's yelling at it's saying all
this all this stuff kind of good cop, bad cop.
And so we're sitting there and then all of a sudden,

(01:07:44):
it's very cold around me and something is sort of
pushing my back forward, so I'm kind of rocking back
and forth, like my legs are being pushed out and
the upper part of my body is being pushed forward,
and I know I sound crazy and I'm not doing anything,
and my hair is kind of moving around in my earrings,
and so Lucky starts to ask questions and I don't

(01:08:05):
remember what Morris code is. Is it one for yes
and two for no or vice versa? Yeah, you guys,
well whatever it is. So we starts to ask him questions.
Is this Joseph And he's tapping I should know this.
It was whatever it was one or two, and so
we were asking him all kinds of questions and he's
replying by tapping on the underside of the stool. It

(01:08:26):
was absolutely crazy. And then it's very cold around me.
So we asked him, you know, are you hugging her?
And he's saying, you know, no, I'm not hugging her.
And you know, I said, ask him, is the cat here?
I want to know if the cat's here, and he's like, no,
you know, the cat's not down here. And so we
kind of went back and forth asking Joseph questions and
that went on, I don't know for twenty minutes. And

(01:08:48):
the other thing that was pretty crazy about it is.
You know, you're sitting there, and for anyone that's experienced this,
the room is obviously dark, but you can see like
the different spirit It's like they move in the corner.
It's like these dark flashes that go really quickly in
the corners. And unless you've experienced it, you think I'm crazy.
But if you've experienced it, you know what I'm talking about.

(01:09:12):
So from there we basically walked through the rest of
the house. We so mister Borden was killed downstairs in
the main parlor, and everyone that was killed that happened
from behind. So all the psychics and investigators that have
talked with the spirits and have asked them who killed you,
none of them know because none of them saw their

(01:09:32):
killer's face. So there's no concrete evidence that let Lizzie
actually killed her parents. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't.
The other thing that's really interesting and incredibly morbid. You know,
this was obviously back in a while ago, but they
used to do autopsies on the dining room table, back
in the old days. So all the bodies that were

(01:09:54):
killed there, they autopsied them on the dining room table.
How crazy is that? Yeah, they and they have a
new dining room table, so it's not the same one,
but it's still creepy. So from you know, we walked
around the house. From here, we went upstairs into the
guests you couldn't go into the guest room, into Missus
Borden's favorite room, and I'm saying hi to her. This

(01:10:15):
is on the second floor. So then we head up
into the attic, and as most attics are, you know,
it's sort of like the full size door that you
kind of pull down and lock. So we get into
the attic. And so once you walk upstairs, straight ahead
is the maid's room. To the left is the bathroom.
You head to the right and there's sort of like

(01:10:37):
a little parlor in between all the rooms, and there's
a couch, and I believe there was a bible. I
know there were some old books. Then on the right
of that is the butler's quarters, and then on the
far side is the room where the two kids used
to play. So I'm not a scaredy cat, but at
the same time, it's a little creepy. It's late at night,

(01:10:59):
and you got a wonder who would pay to stay?
And you know what I mean, who was going to pay?
Because it's not it's not an inexpensive place to stay.
You know, it's pricey, and so you got to wonder
who would pay to stay here? And are we saved?
And I know you're thinking, but hold on, you guys
are staying there. But anyway, so my friend Lucky says,
you know, I'm going to take a shower or he

(01:11:20):
sets up all of his equipment and so we post
up in the room across all the way across the
hall from the bathroom, and that's the room where the
two kids used to play. And he says, are you
okay here by yourself for a while while I take
a shower. I'm like, yeah, I'm fine. And I wasn't
aware that the kids were there, or I would have
brought them a ball or something, because he'd told me

(01:11:41):
a lot of times, you bring them a ball and
they move it around the room. So long story short,
he's in the shower, I'm laying on the bed and
I'm calling the cat and I'm saying hi to the kids,
and all of a sudden, I feel something very warm
and heavy on my belly. And then you know when
a cat like makes biscuits on you, so that it's

(01:12:03):
like this, I felt like something was making biscuits on
my chest. It was absolutely crazy, and I'm just talking
to the cat, assuming that's what it is. And so
that went on for probably five minutes, and then as
soon as my friend Lucky came out of the shower,
it disappeared. And then a few minutes later I felt
it again, like to the right of me, it was
very warm. So he set up his equipment and the

(01:12:28):
same thing. You can see all the and it's different
than shadows that move from the light reflecting it. When
you see spirits in the corners, it's like these dark
flashes like I can't explain it. And as she witnessed
it with your own eyes. So fast forward. I'm laying
on the bed and he had told me, you know,
the kids like to hang out in this room the most,

(01:12:48):
so it's been it takes a little while, and the
door was moving in and open the door of the closet.
He said, the kids are shy. Oftentimes they hide in
the closet and after a while they come out. So
the door in the close it starts to move, and
it wasn't windy. There was no logical explanation for it.
And he set up his equipment so we can listen
for the voices and you know, monitor. However they monitor,

(01:13:12):
I'm not a professional. So next thing, you know, I'm
laying there and it reminded me of my niece when
she would lay with me and she would kind of
play with my hair and touch my face. And it
was now this was very cold, Like I felt like
a little body laying on me, and like I kind
of like her head and stuff was on the left side,

(01:13:32):
but then like her arm was across. I don't know
how to explain it, but I felt like there was
a child that was laying with me. And so that
went on for a while, and then somebody was moving
my legs around and stuff. And I told my friend Lucky,
I'm like, it feels like someone's moving my legs and
he said, oh, you know, the kids like to do that,
especially the little boy. Then it felt like someone was

(01:13:53):
touching my butt, and he said, well, I hope that's
the kids and not you know, the butler or mister Borden.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
I know that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
After a while, he said to me, do you feel
any pressure on your neck? And I was like, excuse me,
and he said, does it feel like anyone's trying to
choke you. And I said, no, why and he said,
you know, sometimes mister Bordon can be a little bit nasty.
And I'm like, oh great, and I'm like, no, I
don't feel any of that. And I'm like, I really

(01:14:22):
hope that what's going on is the kids and not
you know, mister Bordon or Joseph the butler perving out
on me.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
Well, when you said when you said that someone touched
your butt, initial response was going to be the butler
did it the butt in.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
The library with the candlestick. Yeah, So it was really cool.
I mean I felt like I had and like I said,
I was most excited about the cat. And the thing
that really struck me was when Joseph the x con
made contact and what I assume was the two kids

(01:14:58):
the spirits. It was very cold, like it was just
an icy cold around me and the cat or what
I think was the cat was very warm. And I'm
not crazy. I wasn't drunk, I wasn't any kind of drugs.
I wasn't sleep I might have been sleep deprived, but
I was lucid and competent, and I mean this really happened.

(01:15:19):
It's funny though then we were talking later and he said,
you know, would you want to come on. We're going
to do an investigation at the Stanley Hotel, which is
really where the shining happened, and you know, they invited
me and I said, hell, yeah, I want to go.
And he said, you know, I can't tell you how
many people that we train for this, and we'll train

(01:15:42):
them for six months and then they actually have contact
with the real spirit and they run out of the
house screaming. I was like, you told me there was
nothing to be scared of, And in hindsight, that was
probably very naive of me, because I'm sure there's plenty
of things to be scared of.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
Yeah, especially at the Stanley Hotel. I mean, we did
a story on them a couple of weeks ago, and yeah,
it's a fascinating story because you know the old story
about Jim Carrey when he stayed there when they were
doing Dumb and Dumber, he ran down screaming in the
middle of the night that they needed to get him
into another room. Immediately.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
I did not know that was he staying in one
of that like specifically haunted rooms.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
He stayed in the same room that Stephen King stayed
in though I think it was two fifteen, but whatever,
the same room that Stephen King stayed in. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
So yeah, well, you know, I didn't make it there.
I was actually really excited to go, and my sister
was supposed to go with me, and I forgot what happened.
She hurt her back or something, and I just didn't
want to go by myself, so I ended up not going,
which I regret. And I just love this kind of stuff.

(01:16:51):
I also have been trying to get I'm originally from Pennsylvania,
the East coast, and I really want to get out
to the what's it called the penn State contentrary there.
Oh yeah, incredibly haunted. That's it's on my list to
do next time I go back to visit.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
Cool, very cool.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Yeah. I don't know if that answers your questions or
if I have any more If that made sense, No.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
It completely answered the question. And I know you've got
a busy schedule going on. I wanted to give you
a quick second before we got off here to be
able to tell our listeners how they can get in
touch with you on social media or kind of see
some of the stuff you've done, some of your demo reels, websites,
and maybe plug a few upcoming projects you get going on.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Yes, I would love it. Everyone follow me on I'm
on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, follow me, send me a little
message letting me know you heard it here, and I
will follow it. I try to follow everyone back. Sometimes
it's hard because I sometimes it just gets lost in
the masses. So if I don't follow you back and
you want me to give me a shout out, the

(01:17:57):
best way, sort of one stop shopping is my website,
which is my name Chanel Ryan dot com. And if
you don't know how to spell that, shame on you.
It's c h A n E l R y A
n then dot com. And basically, if you scroll down
to the bottom of any page on the site, there
is links to all my social media so it will

(01:18:19):
take you right to my you know, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook.
My reels should also be on the bottom right of
the page. My YouTube channel, like everything's there. So it's
sort of anything you could possibly want to know you
can find there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
What about you have any any new projects coming up?
Anything's gonna be released soon? Do you want to plug?

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
I do? I have a bunch of stuff. Let's see Uh,
as far as stuff that's coming out, I'm friend of
what's in the horror genre. I have a really fun
comedy horror which is kind of the best of both worlds.
It's called Hell's Kitty, and one of the things I
love about Hell's Kid I got involved because the proceeds

(01:19:04):
go to help animals in need, and it was originally
shot as a web series. The whole premise is it's
based on a loosely on a true story. It's about
a writer named Nick and his cat who was very
jealous of any females that came into his life, and
it was making it in real life, making it very
hard for him to date. So he just took it

(01:19:25):
to another level and made the cat possessed. And so
it's about all the crazy adventures and each episode featured
actors who are iconic in the horror genre. So I
am in the finale episode. But then from there it
was edited into a film and which will be released soon,
so stay tuned for that, and you can find info

(01:19:47):
on that on both my website and IMDb. What else
A Circus of the Dead. I know horror fanatics love that.
That just came out so you can see that on
VOD and DVD. What else? Oh, you were asking about
Hypnotized earlier, so that you know. The film was originally

(01:20:08):
called Mind Puppets and they originally changed the title to Hypnotized.
Really great cast, Kevin Pollock, John de Lacey, Vinnie Jones.
We filmed it in New Orleans. I have a small part.
I was I shot for two days and I actually
my scenes are with Yvonne Zeema and Christopher von Uckerman,

(01:20:32):
who is just huge in the Latin American market and
one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. That's a
really fun sany comedy, So look for that. I don't
know what else I can tell you. I know I
have other stuff coming out, and this is awful, but
I've just been working NonStop and I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
That's okay, That's that's what happens when.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
You're business ready to It's interesting. I have I'm in
negotiations right now for a couple of really big things
which I'm not allowed to discuss yet, and I'm crossing
my fingers that go through and will be announced, you know,
within the next month or so. But in the meantime,
I am working on a really fun It's a horror
film called may Day from director Max Searchy, and it

(01:21:18):
has two endings. One of them is a horror ending
and the other is a sci fi ending. So basically
the viewers can choose which ending they want, and the
little bit that I can tell you about it without
giving the plot away. The whole thing takes place on
an airplane and a few hours after takeoff, sorry, a
few minutes after takeoff, the lights go out and the
passengers start disappearing, and I play one of the stortises,

(01:21:42):
and you're just gonna have to watch it to find
out what happens. That's kind of all I can say
on that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Yeah, And I'm sure I've got some you know. I'm
booked for leads in I think three or four indie
films coming up, and I'm really not allowed to talk
about any of the other jet without giving stuff away.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
But stay tuned absolutely well. I want to thank you again,
and Tracy wants to say thank you, thank.

Speaker 5 (01:22:08):
You so much.

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
We really enjoy having you, and it sounds like you're
doing great and we wish you the best of luck
and everything else you do.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
Hun Ye, thank you, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
Thank you on.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:22:21):
Thank you, Hanny, so.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
I said, thank you for being so kind and giving
us some of your time. I mean, you know, one
minute you're talking to Stern and performing with you know,
actors like Kevin Pollock. Next thing, you're talking to a
couple of hillbillys from Kentucky about ghost and Lizzie borden
House and yah. We greatly thank you, and we'll turn
everybody on to you. I know you've You've made a
couple of fans here for life. We greatly appreciate it,

(01:22:45):
and hopefully we'll get you on in the future to
talk about some of your other paranormal experiences.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Yeah, I would love it, and once again, I love
your show, so I really appreciate you having me on.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Thank you so much. Thank you Shanel, and we'll see
you in the future. Thank you you guys already, and
thanks again to now for granting us that interview we
greatly appreciated. Go to our Facebook page and you can
see the bunch of links to her IMDb page, her Twitter,
her Instagram, her actual website, and some YouTube stuff. And

(01:23:13):
I'm sure she would greatly appreciate it. I told her
I would include lolos on the website, so go check
it out for us, and we wanted to thank every
one of you guys. The listeners just get more and
more every single week, so you're obviously telling your friends.
We greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
Yeah, we feel really blessed that you guys are supporting us,
and we appreciate it, and hopefully you'll just keep on
supporting us.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
Yep. And we had some people that supported us financially
with some donations would have passed a week and some
T shirts that they bought. We greatly appreciate that. If
you want to send a couple of dollars our way
or buy a T shirt, go to our website www.
Hibilly Horror Stories dot com and I think you'll enjoy
what we got. We keep if you get a T shirt,
we put your picture up on our Twitter and our

(01:23:55):
Instagram and our Facebook pages. So we got a couple
more of those that to becoming in this week, and
like I said, we greatly appreciate it. I want to
do a couple of shout outs this week some of
these people I probably should have done, which I could
always do more every week, but you guys are coming
along quicker than what we can say your name, so
we greatly appreciate it. But the first one I want
to do is Tim May's. This is a long time coming.

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Tim's very active on our Facebook page. He's from Grand Rapids, Michigan,
and we greatly appreciated Tim Ninja sends his regards. By
the way, that's his way of saying that the Detroit
Tigers suck this year. But you know, what are you
going to do? Then? We want to give Monty Reid
a shout out. He's from writing our Neckative Woods, Nicholasville, Kentucky.

(01:24:39):
Thanks many for listening. I know he's been. He sent
us a message saying he's been binge listening and the
worst part about that is when you're caught up now
you got to wait for the new episode.

Speaker 5 (01:24:46):
So thank you guys so much. That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
Kathy Newle, she sent us a message just earlier today.
She actually lives in California. Thanks Kathy, we appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:24:55):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
And Jason Montgomery. I just talked to Jason a little
bit ago. He's actually from Bartstown, Kentucky. He's from Louisville,
but we won't hold that against him. From Louisville myself,
so but we appreciate you. Listen, Jason, you're living out
in Barstown now, My sister lives out that way, and
Katie Jacobs who lives in England, and we appreciate you.

(01:25:16):
I've got a chance to talk to you a few
times this week, and you're a sweetheart, and you actually
did a show introduction for us, So we'll be doing
yours here coming up soon. Got some good things happening
coming up in the near future. We are going to
be happy. In a couple of weeks, We're going to
be doing rendalsrom Forrest, which is an awesome UFO story,
which I'm not really into UFO stories, but this is

(01:25:36):
one that I want to cover because it's got a
lot of twist and turns and probably more evidence than
anything since the whole Roswell deal and the guys from Grimsby,
England Don't Break the Oath Podcasts are actually going to
do a segment with us so where we'll do our story,
then they're going to set in and we're going to

(01:25:57):
talk about it altogether. So since this is an English
situation and we like those guys, I thought it would
be kind of cool to give you guys, not an interview,
but a joint session talking about the same project, and
we're going to do that in the future also with
the young ladies from Man. That's why we drink.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
So yeah, I'm very excited about this too, So that's fun.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
Yeah, if you haven't listened to either one of these podcasts,
that's gonna be the week after Easter when we do that.
If you haven't listened to them, go listen to Uh,
don't break the oath and listen to And that's why
we drink. Those are two great podcasts that are two
of our favorites, and I think you'll enjoy both of them.
But thank you guys so much. We greatly appreciate it.
Hit me up on Twitter, it's Hipbily Horror, and our Instagram.

(01:26:39):
We're on there, Hilly Horror Stories. We got a YouTube page.
We don't do a whole lot on the YouTube page,
but hit us up on all that stuff. And hey,
if you want to send Chanelle Ryan a tweet, she's
really big on Twitter. Send her a tweet just telling
her you enjoyed her interview and thank her for coming
on the show. We greatly appreciate it. It helps us get
guests in the future if you guys are showing your
gratitude to them, So thank you so much, and we

(01:27:01):
will see you guys next week, and it to be
a surprise for what the show is, because I've completely
forgotten already. So I hammer these shows out, literally four
or five, six at a time, and then I forget
when it gets closer because I get so caught up
in the story. But I guarantee you to be a
good show because anything I put together is something I'm
excited to do. And now Tracy's just the same way.

Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
Yeah, I am, And we really appreciate it. Again, you guys,
and we hope you all have a great week and
just remember to love one another.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
See you guys later.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
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